The BEST Support Weapons in Helldivers 2 (Newest Patch)

[@khamul64]

Sniping a shrieker nest/spore spewer from across the map with spear is peak gaming.

[@Kernnichiwa]

It's even better when it's bile headshot or one those cannon turret towers at 300m lol

[@DaaHela]

Taking shrieker nests and spore spewers is good, but it doesn't always one shot a charger or bile titan, and I think all eagles can take shrieker nests and spore spewers. The flame thrower is more consistent and good for hordes too 😅😊

[@khamul64]

@@DaaHela yeah but with eagles you are not 300+ meters away from shrieker nest

[@DaaHela]

@@khamul64 Yeah I know its really helpful when someone takes them for me, but still flame thrower is more consistent and good for hordes 🙂

[@Kernnichiwa]

@@DaaHela that's why I say it's so good to finesse the bile titan headshot with spear

[@moritzrossbroich]

0:48 Man really dropped the hardest quick scope with the AMR any Automaton has ever seen and thought we wouldn't notice...

[@onlywinnerme191]

Omg bro he flicked on him

[@codyskahill1511]

I must have blinked watching the video the first time and missed it. Went back and holy shit.

[@danieltormos3852]

i think (by experience) that no scoping with the sniper gives you some sort of autoaim

[@leo-prime91]

Where is the Break Action Shotgun? 😂

[@mrdy4225]

S tier

[@NPC..........]

@@leo-prime91 sadly you cant call it in

[@matte.black.helldiver]

Bros asking the important questions

[@dr.calibrations7984]

Double S tier With an A in front

[@micahwymer7794]

Yeah why dont we have it as a call in yet wtf arrow head

[@wayner396]

Charger behemoth has been around for a long time. It was just very rare before and only showed up in certain locations.

[@Maggusrulz]

very true. Always believed they are some sort of Rare Charger who just looks different. Now i think its the way around. I see 80% Behemoth Chargers and 20% normal ones.

[@jmjon9]

It also was just a reskin if I remember correctly as a single anti tank head shot would kill it just as readily as a normal charger, they buffed it into a legit new enemy type when they made it more common

[@panzer_TZ]

@@jmjon9 Correct. Before the update I only saw them defending the citizen evacuation escort objective areas, and they seemed to have the same durability as normal chargers. They definitely got a serious buff in during that major patch. You pretty much have to treat them like a charger-shaped bile-titan in terms of durability.

[@wayner396]

@@jmjon9 gotcha, didn't realize that. I know it's seem the occasional one a long time ago but didn't realize they'd buffed it as well. Thank you

[@kelmirosue3251]

​@@Maggusrulz if you're in diff 7+ yeah that's the case, if you're diff 4-6 it's almost always the regular chargers

[@nivamalako806]

The AMR can damage factory striders too! Anywhere the Autocanon can damage them, the AMR can, too, as they both have the same armor pen value.

[@TotPocket]

Yep! Mag-dumping the underside can kill it in less than 2 mags iirc

[@dranox7197]

@@TotPocket I have done that quite a lot. ngl it's really fun to do it.

[@Exl6243]

This. My strategy with the AMR usually starts with taking out each of the machine guns at front with 3-4 shots for each machine gun. Then I get underneath the strider to shoot the belly of the beast.

[@2MeterLP]

@@TotPocket And as a bonus, the recoil cant go any further up than straight vertical, so its really easy to mag dump into the belly :D

[@chemacb]

YES! But it’s even better than that. It takes out the chin mounting gatling guns in 2 shots leaving the factory strider pretty toothless. And then takes out the whole thing in about 1 mag to the eye.

[@danielbob2628]

Laser cannon can solve any problem, but not quickly or easily. This makes it amazing if your teammates are bogged down elsewhere wasting time on a pointless fight. It opens up the whole map for high-mobility roaming play. Perfect for Helldive. Edit: I don't take anything else. To clarify, I only play bots. I hear Bile Titans are an extremely specific equipment check and I have no idea if the laser cannon would pass. I agree with the sentiment that it seems designed for bots... but I have to say, when you wished you were using something else, it was probably a different weapon each time.

[@astrogamer158]

Yes. It's so well rounded, and there's no worry about reloads. When you ar being chased by gunships and cannot afford to have to stand still to reload your AC or miss with your EAT, it just works. It's the only enemy that let's you reliably shred any gunship patrols.

[@danielbob2628]

@@astrogamer158 Yeah. Ever combine it with the drop shield for gunship killing? Fish in a barrel.

[@D3adCl0wn]

@@danielbob2628 Can't believe he put flamethrower on S tier despite it's shortcomings (unkillable targets like titans and shriekers). Meanwhile the laser cannon can actually kill ALL bots but it's B tier? Holy miss.

[@eliodergamer]

I think its funny cuz in my opinion the laser canon is very good against many small enemys and in combo with the laser Rover its OP af like idk why people dont like it with Terminids

[@quoang]

laser cannon doesn't handle bug rush downs easily. It's great against bots, but bring something else for bugs

[@UnReFined-zl3vy]

10:35 Sadly, This is outdated, and they can no longer go through armor like the charger's. In light of this however, it is still one of if not my favorite weapon and no nerfs can change that.

[@lukaszblek3152]

I think the devs made it deflect off the chargers so you get damaged now. Kinda sad

[@UnReFined-zl3vy]

@@lukaszblek3152 Not for long according to the new patch!

[@2ndToLast501]

Quasar easily should be moved to B tier for robots, because you can just get slapped so much by devastators or even the weakest base enemies and miss your shot due to flinch alone. I really think it should have faster start up.

[@Turnil321]

Also it is great on cold planets

[@johndiddilyjoe6258]

Charge it in cover, then pop up and shoot.

[@rayzerot]

Which is exactly why it should be ranked lower. You can make it work but you have to use extra tricks or tactics that aren't necessary with other support weapons ​@@johndiddilyjoe6258

[@simpforsable]

yeah this weapon is in theory amazing against devestators and gunships, but in practice only somewhat consistent as long as you also bring the shield gen pack to avoid at least some flinches right before your shot goes off

[@Nominal-Lettuce]

The EAT is S tear for automatons, mainly because it has a cooldown of only a minute and you get 2 of them, so if you’re in a sticky situation or there’s a bot drop, you can call them down in time to shoot down a dropship or heavy enemy. It’s even better on defense missions because you’re staying in the same location, and with it, the constant bot drops you can easily shoot down.

[@Dark_Tesla]

EAT is S tier for both, but Quasar is high for bots than bugs, with Recoilless better for bugs than bots.

[@2MeterLP]

EAT is also the only anti-tank that lets you take another support as well. I litter objectives with EATs or call one down when I see a charger, and pick my MG back up once I dealt with the charger or bile titan.

[@Dark_Tesla]

@@2MeterLP I call EAT as soon as shooting starts, heavy or not. If it’s off cooldown and we shooting at a pack, call EAT.

[@2MeterLP]

@@Dark_Tesla If you can still see the ground, you havent called enough EATs!

[@Dark_Tesla]

@@2MeterLP PREACH

[@NPC..........]

Mg 43, imo is the best of the three. It can go through medium armor and does insane damage. The only downside is reloading, but even then, just get about 20 feet away from bugs and reload and dodge if they get too close to you.

[@2MeterLP]

Agreed. Stalwart is nice, but standing in front of a bile spewer with a Stalwart makes you really miss the MGs medium armor penetration.

[@AusAlb]

People who tend to hate on the Standard MG have either never used it or are just dumbasses it’s by far the best of the machine guns and if you position yourself properly as good players should it reload time is negligible. Remember your players Helldivers not CoD

[@NPC..........]

@2MeterLP bro fr. I hate them things.

[@beanboi7703]

​@@2MeterLP gotta bring an eruptor or explosive crossbow. That's all I run now with all the bile spewers lately. Medium pen feels solid on the crossbow

[@2MeterLP]

@@NPC.......... Pretty sure everyone hates bile spewers.

[@Spartan536]

I agree with most of this list but there are a few issues I personally have.. The MG-43 against the Terminids should be A Tier, that fact its had MEDIUM Armor pen allows it to cut chaff and higher threat bugs in half and on low to moderate rates of fire it does so very efficiently. The Stalwart also get A Tier against the bugs, if it had medium armor pen it would be the perfect weapon against the bugs, you can reload on the move, cut chaff down like your a lead farmer, it just struggles with anything medium armored. On the bot front, both of those machine guns are D tier, just take something else. My Bug Exterminator build is as follows: Light Engineer Armor (+2 Nades, Recoil reduction when crouching) BR-14 Adjudicator (I know how to use this thing and I make short work of just about everything using it, plus it reloads faster than the Tenderizer) MG-43 MMG OR Stalwart LMG (MMG is set to Medium or Low ROF, Stalwart is set to High ROF) Senator Revolver OR Grenade Pistol Impact Frags Resupply Backpack My Tin Can Crusher Build is as follows: Heavy Engineer Armor OR Medium Engineer Armor (I typically run heavy but sometimes you need the extra mobility) R-163 Diligence Counter Sniper OR AR-63 Tenderizer (Both are good, with the Tenderizer you NEED to land headshots to make the most of it, and run it in SEMI-AUTO ONLY) Anti-Material Rifle (this ALWAYS gets paired with the Resupply Backpack), pretty much like the video says, there is not much the tin cans can throw at you that you can't answer back with the AMR. P-113 Verdict (This gun SUCKS against the Bugs, but against the tin cans, its fantastic, just aim for the heads and fire away, its saved my ass more times than I care to count) Impact Frags OR Stun Grenades (if you go stun grenade you NEED to have something to take out bot factories as a stratagem) Resupply Backpack The reason why I don't run an Auto-Cannon is the backpack slot issue, unless you have a friend carry it for you that sticks to you like glue and gives you on demand reloads.

[@StephaneLevs]

the standard machine gun is a beast with the new armor that boost the ergonomic stats on the bug front. It literally controls better than the Stalwart (without that armor buff obviously). The machine guns are just in the right spot IMO. - Stalwart is the best to clear off chaff (so it shines for bugs but not for bots) - HMG is the best to kill heavy/high hp units because of that high penetration (so perfect for bots but not as much for bugs) - MG-43 is the in between that can do everything well enough (better on the bugs side but still passable on the bots one).

[@Darca1n]

​@@StephaneLevs Agreed, I absolutely adore the mg-43 because of how versatile you are, it can even mow down devastators with hilarious ease, and the reload is quick enough I can find moments to do so easily, just gotta be smart about it.

[@2MeterLP]

I prefer MG-43 over Stalwart for bugs. Stalwart is awesome horde clear, but standing in front of a bile spewer REALLY makes you miss that medium armor penetration. And its surprisingly good against chargers! Set to max fire rate, throw a stun grenade and shove half a magazine up the chargers backside.

[@remy8699]

AMR can kill factory striders. A mag or 2 to the chest and its dead

[@FrozenByFire3]

It's over 2 mags afaik. Auto canon/HMG a lot better for fac striders

[@fokjohnpainkiller]

​@@FrozenByFire3 I believe it's 1 and a half mags but I'm not sure. I don't think it's over 2 magazines but I'm not sure

[@potatopitoto3301]

@@FrozenByFire3no it’s about 1 2/5.

[@LoveBystroem]

No its 3.1415 mags

[@Quickstein]

It can disarm their chin guns too. 2-3 shots for each gun.

[@denyzn6517]

I'm only level 85 or so, but this list is so freaking accurate in my experience. The only thing I'd change is maybe bump Automaton lasercannon to A tier. It essentially fills the same exact role as the AMR, but just does it slightly worse for the tradeoff of infinite ammo, one tier down feels right. But man, this list just feels spot on.

[@JFKWT]

It's great with moderate to high ping too, just hold and wiggle the beam around the botheads for speedy democracy

[@platon4ik842]

i like laser cannon more than AMR tbh. its just easier for me when i have constant beam, see it and can move to the target. Maybe i'd like AMR more if my aim was better, but i like LC more cuz of inf ammo, constant beam, good damage and being able to kill objectives (Bot's AA system for example, or dropships at the airbase) for a few seconds.

[@rayzerot]

​@@JFKWTThe bots hate when you shine the flashlight in their eyes

[@phineasjack5180]

literally the most positive helldivers vid that's come out in a while, glad to see someone isn't being a doomer and knows weapons work totally fine.

[@johndiddilyjoe6258]

Legit. If you listen to most online opinions the game is impossible unless you run specific loadouts. The reality is that there isn't a single loadout that can't complete helldive.

[@LrdBxRck]

For bugs the grenade launcher should be moved up to S tier. The autocannon and stalwart should be switched having the ability to use a supple pack is too good.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

My two cents, if you need a supply pack more often than the called drop, you need target practice.

[@StephaneLevs]

@@SuperDuperHappyTime unless it's the grenade launcher/HMG which really need a supply pack because of the low amount of ammo. without it, you really nerf yourself on those weapons IMO. But yeah, otherwise, most weapons really dont need a supply pack. It can be nice especially if you use a primary that also use a lot of ammo (like the tenderiser or the plasma shotty) but it's certainly not necessary.

[@2MeterLP]

If you want the effect of the Airburst Rocket, just take Eagle Cluster Strike. Its does the same but better. Bigger area, same amount of uses, same "reload" speed except you dont have to kneel, and it doesnt take a backpack or support weapon slot.

[@61tjackso]

Enjoying your content so far. Informative with objective points to support your opinion. keep it up! The only time I've found the laser cannon useful is when you pair it with the sickle. Their cool downs are timed to where you can swap back and fourth and NEVER have to stop shooting. For the terminids you focus on the trash bugs when your sickle is out, and then when its time to swap you use the laser cannon to clean up some of the higher armored units like the hive guard and brood commanders.

[@collectiveleak]

I won't stand for this arc thrower slander against bugs. It isn't S tier but it's definitely A tier. Shoot the closest target and once you get the charge down pat, you can rapid fire it pretty quick. Takes about 8 shots to a chargers head to kill it, and its very easy to avoid friendly fire, just don't have your teammate on the other side of a target or any arc target, shooting a bug to the left or right of somebody is completely safe. The stun is godly and I can lock down a bug breach and not have to move back at all. Can 2 tap nursing spewers, 3 to 4 tap normal spewers. Only problem is close combat right at your feet, and that's why you dive back or just swap to the blitzer. Its great

[@oxyyerks9849]

Lately jve been seeing people use the flamethrower more than the auto canon the last weeks or so I’ve barley seen anyone brjng the auto canon and I’m glad cause it shows the weapon balancing is working

[@Tankt0ptig3r]

If you talking bout the bugs it's mostly just due to the crazy amount of chargers spawned and flamethrower is the most effective to take em out

[@geraltthewitcher1822]

Absolutely. It kills just about everything except biles titans

[@Kevfactor]

uses backpack slot :)

[@oxyyerks9849]

@@Tankt0ptig3r hell yea flamethrowers demolishes all bugs but bad for clankers

[@brendan-kfp7.62mmminigun4]

You can't keep us Airburst enjoyers down. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

[@aff66]

A correction and a few disagreements, otherwise I agree! The Airburst, its actually better vs bots! If you hit tanks and turrets at the right place, its possible to oneshot them by having the cluster projectiles hit the weak point! Similarly its possible for fabricators and hulks too. But it needs to be right spot, so it becomes very skill dependent and that limits it, I would say B tier bots if you know how, but its worthless against gunships so C tier is fair. MG43 doesn't need to head shot devastators and can kill striders, placing at D bots seems harsh? The Spear being S ahead of the flamethrower? It can kill bile titans and structures, but even with 4 shots it can be lacking, considering its not guaranteed 1 hit kill. The Laser cannon, shouldn't it be A at least on bots? I think its feedback and visibility is really bad for the wielder, so I wouldn't give it high marks either, but it can kill factory striders and gunships without consuming ammo.

[@M0N573R11]

Airburst is my favorite when doing egg missions you can sometimes shoot one rocket clear whole nest like 100m out its so satisfying but thats the only time i use it lol

[@LrdBxRck]

If Airburst had fire or gas it would be better

[@iianmitchelldub]

I REALLY like the laser cannon. It has no recoil, its accurate as hell, doesnt need to be reloaded, doesnt require a bsckpsck slot. Its down side is that is has ZERO stagger and time to kill on certain enemies is kind of high but it mskes you tsrget weakspots and makes you a better player. Much better for bots but it can do well against bugs. You use this on a cold planet with the sickle and you can just switch between guns and shoot non-stop practically. NEWS UPDATE: apparently now laser weapons can set enemies on fire

[@T-HawkWilliams]

hey, love your videos. I've been finding them super helpful and enjoyable. Just wondering, could you do an up to date tier list for primary weapons? If not, that's alright. Thank you and keep up the great work!

[@korruptedapple3854]

Arc main here, you made points for someone who doesn't understand how to fully use it which is fine, its not easy to learn. It cannot kill heavy fast but will clear a horde faster than a Stalwart or Machinegun. At Haz 10 when you have no ammo after clearing a breach while another breaks I'll juat continue the fight till you get back. Learn your weapons before judging

[@FatalShotGG]

LOL! Both the MG-43 and the Stalwart are S-Tier. The fact that you say otherwise renders this entire video null and void.

[@Kevfactor]

stalwart has so much ammo capacity. Im just not too sure about distance things with it

[@tianchris2517]

Plus the Stalwart is the greatest against all the infantry bots on dif 7 - you can take them down faster than they are spawned. I had a few hundred kills against a particularly bothersome mission where we got swarmed by them. Video author also said things that are downright wrong - using the MG 43 at great ranges is awesome - you can lay down and just reap the enemy.

[@Wowaniac]

Let me get this straight you put the Flame Thrower in S Teir for bugs but the MG 43 in B Teir? What ever your smoking I want some you're clearly high

[@BadgerMonkey]

This is why putting "Newest patch" rather than the patch number in the title is dumb AF. New patch dropped yesterday, this is a month old. This just an obsolete headline of lies. I'm out at 2 minutes in.

[@benson7374]

The charger behemoth was not added in a patch, it has always been in the game, you can find them at the main objective of 40 min rescue missions

[@herou987]

i recently bought eruptor and paired with stalwart with 1150rpm and it absolutely shreds terminids theres nothing that can stop me even on high difficulties, definetly try it out

[@cowjuice7148]

that was my favorite build before they removed shrapnel. its still good just im playing more bots know and dont use it as much.

[@PopePlatinumBeats]

eruptor/stalwart was my goto loadout until they nerfed it... stopped using the eruptor after that..

[@berkanbardakc825]

I'm using crossbow with stalwart and it's pretty good you should try it if you got the warbond. Faster fire rate definitely helps

[@StephaneLevs]

@@PopePlatinumBeats if you havent tried it recently, it's honestly pretty good now. I still miss the shrapnel but the dmg is enough to do a pretty solid job to kill the heavier/higher hp unit while still proving that support capability to clear off those nest/frabricator from a long distance. And in a pinch, it's really not bad to clear off the small bugs (1 shot can usually kill 4-5 of those smaller one, maybe 2 shots for the same amount of the hunters since they are never really grouped up close enough).

[@herou987]

@@berkanbardakc825 i never used crossbow but i will definetly try it

[@Xeceo]

4:14 AMR is one of the quickest ways to kill a factory strider, break off front machine guns and it takes 1 1/2 clips from the AMR to the under belly to fully kill one, takes less than 10 seconds

[@GADver]

Burst rocket launcher is a fun rocket launcher. You bring it for fun. Fun is good.

[@Rapidcouplescounselling]

I take the GL on every mission and most of the time I top out the number of kills. Combined with a rocket sentry for the heavies and the ammo backpack the GL just shredded massive number of anything. No way it's C tier on bots or a on Bugs.

[@Jonathan-v9t2q]

Ahhh, old flamethrower. How I used to laugh while using it, maniacally of course.

[@Bradforde]

Here after the flamethrower nerf😭

[@Marcin-qy6cn]

Quasar cannon on release: 🗿 Now: 😐 Recoilless Rifle, EAT 17 , Spear on release: 😐 Now: 🗿

[@johndiddilyjoe6258]

Quasar still slaps. Especially on cold planets, and you get a backpack. The recoiless was only bad when the Quasar basically did everything it did, but better.

[@marinerusher5252]

Talking from many hours of experience, stalwart is still really solid against automatons, definitely not D tier. The only things the stalwart can't kill in the automaton lineup are the heavily armored stuff, because with devastators the stalwart can actually kill with headshots, which means that it actually has a surprisingly high amount of usability against them.

[@Azzaram-u9j]

im happy ppl acknowledge the hmg, its my fav weapon and i like running it as a joggernaut with heavy armor and a supply backpack

[@Hammerheadcruiser]

I'm so glad the spear and the HMG are genuinely good now. I liked them before, but the downsides were huge. Now they're fantastic and so far I have yet to play an op without the HMG

[@waffles4562]

fellow hmg main - big bullets strong together!

[@crash6674]

Auto cannon and grenade launcher: b tier.... all others are f tier... there are no a/s tier

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

Grenade Launcher is the best Anti-Bot-Drop weapon. Dropshop hovering above, just pump nades into it and watch the scrap rain down

[@HishUnderscore]

Plus if you learn the arc of it you can hit bot fabricators from pretty far away, and it's probably the easiest way to deal with scout striders.

[@ShurikenSean]

ironically kills them more consistently than the dropship landing on them

[@infinitekarma4949]

The spear is a bit overrated imo but a good weapon overall. You have to be careful about your distance, positioning, and your ammo when it comes to most targets. Half the time, it’ll take you two shots for hulks or bile titans because the projectile slightly misses the head, even if youre shooting from a distance. It’s great for destroying those big guys but also limited in its one and only job. Still like the weapon but as a certified pyromaniac, I’ll stick to my flamethrower (or HMG for bots)

[@polish_idiot5430]

And now commando is outdoing the eat,spear and recoiless all at once

[@kumoplays9073]

I wanna charge in with a sword and shield while my Allie’s lay down fire lol I need melee weapons I can switch too when I run out of ammo rather then a smack with the butt of gun. I think it would look and feel really fun.

[@Brelicity]

Agreed. We need a space marine chainsaw shotgun

[@Anonymous-73]

The Impaler just gave me Half Life flashbacks.

[@Hadfield15]

Autocannon stay goated 💪🏼💪🏼

[@Hetzer-M]

How do I use ammo back pack on my self

[@ordinary_person2000]

The laser cannon is amazing. I’m not hating, but I think it’s a skill issue on ur side. Laser cannon takes 0.5 seconds to take out a devastators, 2 seconds for hulks, a single mag per strider to the face. Doesn’t require ammo either.

[@ReignSurvives]

I feel like everyone ranks this lower than I would. I use it all the time and it feels very strong to me. Saws off legs fast, melts weak points. Just aim at the right spots and it’s a beast.

[@ordinary_person2000]

@@ReignSurvives yeah, it just requires a tad bit of such a rare substance by the name of “skill”

[@D3adCl0wn]

@@ordinary_person2000 Unlike the flamethrower that can't kill specific bugs (titan, shriekers, maybe spewers), the laser cannon can actually kill ALL BOTS. So it being B tier is a massive skill issue. I'd argue las cannon is SSS tier for being the only weapon that can deal with all targets (against bots).

[@Rompstirdg]

Are you going to do a primary weapon tier list

[@AldousHuxle6662]

Yes plz

[@DarrenMalin]

I am very fond of the laz cannon

[@OscarHazeGaming]

Welp, F for the flamethrower as of the latest patch

[@Stinkmean]

It’s not that bad

[@MrFurey1]

Laser cannon is one of the top tier weapons against bots. Kills machine guns under strider head within second and can kill it under the striders under belly weak spot, has unlimited ammo if you aren’t a shit player with it and can manage it (don’t use on hot planets really, use on any other planet especially cold). Can take out gunships, hulks, really any bot enemy. Can combo with a jump pack to land on a tank and laser the weak spot. It’s GOATED

[@konan102102]

I would put Quasar a little lower against terminids. I guess that's a skill issue, I don't have balls to stand there and wind it up while a charger is, well, charging me haha

[@lejenddairy]

Quasar is the most overrated weapon in the game.

[@msciwojstalkiewicz9510]

Firing your Quasar right at the charger's head and dodging 0,1 sec before it hits you is the most adrenaline packed activity I can imagine in this game. It's literally a game of chicken.

[@Theydas]

New weapon handling armor is so good for flamethrower too. You'd think why does it matter for a weapon which doesn't require aim... But damn quickly 180 degree cover and set ground on flame is so good. And I live pick dominator for bile spewers.

[@LrdBxRck]

@@Theydas I find Blitzer will save your life in more cases

[@StephaneLevs]

I hated using the dominator since even if it's stats are amazing, the slow sway and moving around was painful to use (same with the counter sniper before they buffed it). But with the new armor that boost the ergonomics, it's actually so awesome. Same with the normal machine gun. It literally controls better than the stalwart which made me want to use it. it's a game changer for a lot of weapons.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

the Laser Cannon has the same base damage as the Scythe primary. 350 Damage per second. it does 200 damage to Durable parts tho and has AP4. its unlimited ammo and perfect long range accuracy are balanced by a terrible scope, obscuring visual effects, complete lack of stagger, slowdown while firing, and in comparison to its AP4 competition (HMG, AC, AMR), lackluster DPS. I think it needs a buff.

[@Venalii1]

On one hand, spear tracking is fixed, yay 🙂. On the other hand- I’m not a cool hipster for using it anymore now that’s it’s meta 😔

[@moroblizniak4457]

11:07 am i the only one that is not OK with chaff clear weapons is the best weapon to deal with chargers? It makes no sense as well...

[@Remixthisgaming]

Lmg feels much better than HMG. Lmg has 3 mags compared to 2 and has a better optics plus more rounds with a higher ROF.

[@moroblizniak4457]

Putting OG machinegun that low in the bot side is a crime. It can plow through med armored enemies and that is majority in the higher level.

[@Catzislife]

Thanks for the rankings, i gotta try some of these out.

[@GooiYingChyi]

Spear is S tier in bugs? Wait till you run out of ammo and had to wait for resupply. It is also very hard to one-shot chargers or bile titans, since the targeting lands top down.

[@DoeJohn887]

I have really enjoyed this tierlist, and I atually agree with 97-99% of it too. And for the sake of conversation, I want to say, IMHO, the Grenade Launcher should be 1 tick HIGHER in B-tier for the Automatons and I think I can make an arguement for this, especially since it's damage got buffed recently, and the Arc Thrower in B-tier is considered a "Jack of all Trades," great at nothing but bad at nothing too. I think you could call the Grenade Launcher the same against the Automatons. Yes it's not the best, and it can really struggle against some larger enemies such as Hulks, and gunships obviously. But you can kill many enemies and provide some utility: -Enemies: You can kill ALL Troopers, Beserkers (as long as they're not to close) ALL Devastator types, Scout Striders, Tanks AND Cannon Towers with 1-3 hits on ALL OF THEM, but needs to be on OR near their heat sink weak spots for tanks and towers. (Have to be close to very close to the towers.) -Objectives and Utility: You can clear multiple types of Automaton objectives, such as Mortar Emplacements, AA Emplacements, Bot Fabricators (from the front vent ONLY, and closer to it), Transmission Antenna Towers, and Automaton ammo Caches. Plus the Illegal Broadcast tower (again close to it). -Other Notes: I have also cleared entire dropships of Troopers, Scout Striders, AND Devastators before they drop, by shooting up into the dropship, this can work REALLY WELL if you HAPPEN to be close enought to it, and underneath it most of the time, but risky. I can see a player using stun grenades on hulks and absolutely shredding them by hitting their rear heat sink. I think you could use this on Factory Striders by shooting their belly doors, but have NOT confirmed myself. Nothing you can do against gunships. Share your thoughts and considerations about this.

[@blackorder7561]

besides this guy MIGHT b a full time bug player and does not 100% know every weapon on the bots THE AMR can kill the factory strider and everything the bots throw at u its a all rounder "some units /buildings are vents aka tank & turrent building" the amr cant kill the top turret but can kill the miniguns and once u rush to the belly u pump 2 mags ands u kill the factory strider to kill 1 factory strider it is worth waisting 2 mags for that if u have a good support team to clear the area or just pump some rockets in it there are more issues i have with people listings most of them have more bugs vids than bots PEOPLE DONT WORRY ABOUT THE BOTS they aint hard it req braincells and tactic they aint hard i played 581.4 hours of writhing this and im a 105 hellcommander io played the most of those hours on bugs now im playing only on bots because ther more fun sometimes challanging BUT THERES THE FUN i help new players so i seek them out and help them SPEARS arent that usefull on the bugs 9/10 the charger is up in ur face and ur limited to use the spears on lockon targets aka bile and chargers. BUT ya thats what u get if ur use to a team that doesnt die that often because on bugs we have a system that works 1 flamer 1 pure antitank and if we are with 4 players u get eighter same team or similiar build and they dont die that often on the bots i like to kill speciaals and elites i use the AMR alot and now use the new commando "what will get nerfs" also this ist accounting for the new weapon commando "THAT WILL GET NERFS" BUT ya i wish new players stop watching BOT propoganda DONT LET THE BOTS KILL BABIES

[@MrGrizzlyX]

i feel obligated to speak up for my baby the Mg43 good man, While i agree at all other placements the MG43 has a far better performance to be in a such low tier. Against Bugs its outperformes the puny "Stalwart" its not even close, the higher damage and armor pen does a BIG difference against Hive Guards Stalker and these disgusting Bile Spewers, there is no point in 200 round mag it they need so much more bullets to finish the job, for real i hate it to mow down a bug horde just to see bigger bugs to litteally facetank my Gunfire. For me the Stalwart is just a bigger Liberator and im fine with mine in my Primary Weapon Slot. At the other front it works still well against Devastators but i to enjoy the powertrip that is the HMG. Like the MG43 deals pretty much with anything against bugs HMG can deal with all Atomatons. SO yeah MG43 against Bugs HMG against Bots. Stalwart? maybe against undemocratic dissidends? sry for being a bit passionate xD

[@jamsheeddevotee7588]

Putting the ABL in D tier is manic. It takes patience, positioning and more skill to use than any other support weapon. The ability to kill a whole patrol instantly is exclusive to the ABL. You can kill tanks with it. You can kill Cannon towers with it. You can kill Fabricators (sometimes more than one at a time if you're lucky) You can kill Hulks with it. You can kill Gunships with it. You can kill devastators with it. I regularly walk out of bot missions (which I mainly fight) with 300-500 kills and a low death count. It literally makes missions far easier if you know how to use it. There's a list of things you can't kill with it, sure but it's FAR more useful than you and most of the community realize. Shame.

[@FrenchVanillaMilitia]

I think I should give the AMR some love For MGs, it's HMG or nothing, at least with how I play and how I try to round my squad out. The HMG is just so good now, it's unreal. For launchers, I've sung my praises for the Recoilless for a long time now. I have some tech with it that makes it even better; hit Reload the instant you fire. You instantly start reloading, skipping unnecessary animations. Watch your ammo counter. The moment it turns white, hit your crouch button to stand up as you will entirely cancel the remaining reloading animation and be good to go! I don't like the EAT as I'm terrible with stratagems under pressure and that's kind of the EATs niche. And I also hate how you have to arm the damn thing every time you pull it out. Feels contradictory to its panic "NEED AT RIGHT NOW" nature. I don't like the Quasar either. Even before it was nerfed I thought it was very overrated. And now it just kinda sucks. The charge up and cool down is way too much. Airburst could use some extra love. I think more explosions in a larger radius would help. It's not super competitive but it is really fun and funny to use and if you a fun squad you shouldn't be putting your team at a disadvantage. Duos? Yeah, may not want to run it. Auto cannon is a lot of fun. But you gotta pace yourself and constantly keep it topped off and NEVER let it run dry.

[@ludewich]

"Any weapon is feasible" ... "there is no true meta" means: Arrowhead did an _excellent_ job with the most recent patch. And I agree. As for the tier list: I think you made a good job at ranking the weapons! I agree with 29/30 placements, actually. The only thing where is seriously disagree is that the laser cannon against bots is (at least) as good as the AMR, maybe slightly below the AC (because the laser cannon cannot destroy fabricators): the laser cannon can do all against bots, and it can do it _really_ well - with unlimited ammo at the cost of heat builtup. It might need more training than AMR or AC, though. It is definitively much better than both the railgun or the AT weaponry (simply because it can be used against much more enemies effectively). Personally, I loved the spear pre-patch. Now it feels a little bit like cheating. It has lost its character to me. It is too good. Where are the downsides (...assuming they fix the ship module...)? All other weapons have a downside.

[@miemsliva4464]

Your placement of AMR on Bugs really confused me considering your justification for the AC was exactly the same thing the AMR can do. Only the AMR actually one shots Brood commander and Bile Spewer heads, pops Charger butts in just over one mag. And while the backpack of the AC isn't a huge drawback, it does come with a stationary reload and the lack of the other backpacks like shield gen and jetpack which can make AMR even more crazy. And just, a few other things that seemed odd to me, idk why: The HMG is super effective against Bile Titans, better than it is against Chargers as you can pop the chest and then the belly bile sacks in 2 or 3 bullets each, then put about half a mag into the rear end where the guts were and the whole back of the body breaks off, killing the Titan instantly. The weird momentum thing is, while yes very weird, actually very very consistent. If you are not beyond 50 meters and are walking forward when your shot goes off, your Eat/RR/Quasar shot will instantly strip the Behemoth's leg, or one shot it entirely if you shoot above it's Butt behind the largest scale on it's back. And the arc thrower, well... I mean I don't think it deserves D Tier vs bots, it ain't THAT bad if you actually use cover like you do with every other gun, because really the bots clump up more than the bugs since they normally don't even move, they just stand in a cluster and shoot, or march in a firing line. That's all I think. Actually Flamethrower: Trash on bots, but when I drop with no support weapons (low level for funsies) I do mess with one if I find it. It's bad sure, but it does have a weird.. "effectiveness"? It can kill scout walkers in a similar way to a scorcher, and the constant literal firing seems to make the bots innacurate as I used it in desperation against a Heavy Dev and he missed a majority of his shots, and while I messed up and wasted most of my flame on his shield, a switch to the left melted off his gun arm in a single second. It also saved my ass during extraction (I was solo during this mission) as I was able to use first person to sort of aim my right-sided flamer around the bend of the wall and blow flames down a corridor, covering the ground and filling it, annihilating all Troopers and baking devastators before they could even make way. Not even berserkers could make it up the slope. It definitely has a way different use against bots, much more suited as a close range defensive play and area denial weapon to be used to cover the ground for light damage to bot legs to soften them for your guns, or indirect fire around corners to damage a horde of bots as everything smaller than a Hulk (except Heavy Devs) have thin frames in comparison to bugs, allowing you to actually damage a crowd all at once.

[@liesmith]

Dead wrong about the MG vs Stalwart and HMG vs bugs. The HMG's ammo capacity makes it worthless without a supply pack, which means you're down a bomb. The Stalwart can't kill armored units effectively, it gets clowned on by hive guard. The MG is the happy medium: it deletes bug patrols and breaches unless a charger or bile titan shows up (in which case you bomb them) and its long reload time is the most mitigatable of the three flaws of heavy to light (no ammo, long reload, no penetration respectively). Just kill everything in one mag and reloading isn't an issue. You DO have to lower the shot rate manually but once you do that it's the single best hoard clearing weapon in the game.

[@WispOfWar]

I hate the flamethrower meta for bugs. All you need is precision strike and 500kg to take out bile titans. Pair that with arc blitzer or incendiary shotgun and you have the meta loadout. My only problem is using this EVERY game gets incredibly boring. Surprisingly the flamethrower does get boring and starts feeling like the meme “same sht different day!”. At least bots you have a little more variety but the problem with bugs is you either face being weak against swarms or you suffer with bad options for behemoth chargers that spawn like packs of flies everywhere and bile titans which spawn usually in threes for some reason (wasn’t this said to be nerfed?? Funny how that was a lie). I don’t know about you but I don’t want to train an angry behemoth doggo the whole game following me because I’m too busy killing everything else. Shooting chargers in the butt takes too long or you have to commit to a weapon that can do that and suffer heavily in areas that just isn’t worth that niche vs flamethrower aimed at one leg. -Side note Heavy mg SUCKS against bile titans but CAN kill them if you dump two mags into it’s butt from perfect health but goodluck reloading while that is chasing you down! At least it’s faster now right..? right..? Gotta love our “options” they give us. Relevant fighting an enemy or take years to kill one thing dilema.

[@GPSaBu]

Laser cannon can definitely be ranked with all the machine guns on the bugs front while being low S tier on the bot front (tied with HMG, one being high dps but shit handling/recoil while the other one being pintpoint accurate while having low dps. In practice it probably even edges out HMG a little since that thing requires you to be crouching and still). Sure it lasts about 12 second but switch back to you primary for a few sec and you have an unlimited ammo AP4 weapon. Then there's all the praises you sing for the AMR but claims it couldn't do anything vs factory strider? Bro come on.

[@pondracek]

You're so incredibly *wrong* about the grenade launcher vs bots. Yes, it is vulnerable to hulks. Before stun grenades (and grenade pistol) existed, it was still worth bringing, and paired well with smokes. Now you just stun them and clean up with primary. (Nade launcher can do it in 3 shots to the vent, but you need to already be behind a hulk, it's too far to run if starting in front). It's also useless vs gunships and factory striders (AMR is great against both, you were wrong about the striders; it can take out the face lasers, and 9 or so shots to the belly kills a fully healthy strider, you just can't engage from in front until the lasers are gone via shooting them from a longer range). I pair it with the scorcher which deals well with the higher range engagements, can deal with gunships, and is especially good VS scout striders when at the wrong engagement for the nade launcher (too far or too close). Don't pair it with the JAR unless you have a strategy for gunships. It handles every kind of bot, especially devastators. It was a little average needing 3 'nades per devastator, but it was buffed and you just double tap them now, even shield devastators when aiming for the shield. What everyone is sleeping on, is that it's possibly the *best* weapon for clearing berserkers, it's more effective at cleaning out dropships from beneath than shooting them down, and you can kill tanks from a 90 degree (or even 45 degree) "flank" in about 5 nades just by hitting the back half of the turret. You don't need to flank all the way 'round until you see vents, unlike the competition. Plus you can bounce it 'round corners and you're typically killing devastators in numbers of 2+ at once.

[@StephaneLevs]

I was so disappointed when I saw the airbust in game. I was expecting something like the commando rocket launcher. Just imagine: you call it, shoot 4 rockets when ever you want (no reload), clean up 2-3 waves of small enemies and you deal with the bigger enemies after (so the chaff version of the EAT).

[@vladolfputler5685]

GL in automatons deserves more love. It aint C, its B at its lowest. Ive run maybe 50 missions alone GL only and really the only things it CANT deal with are Hulks and Factory Striders. It has a learning curve for sure but when you get used to it its hard not to pick the GL and Supply Backpack. No matter the faction u are fighting.

[@tianchris2517]

The MG43 is awesome. Reduce firerate, control your weaopon and you can take down most you encounter both on the bug and bot front. I like the stalwart but it is useless against medium armoured enemies. And you feel the strength of the bullet when it mows down a brood warrior in a few shot. Plus the MG 43 has a lot more versatility ( also, in my humble and correct opinion, the MG 43 looks way cooler than the HMG ). And it IS great at far ranges. Lay down, aim, fire. I agree with most of the video but that the MG 43 struggles with medium tier automatons and bugs simply isn't correct. Finally, at dif 7 the stalwart is one of my favourite weapons - all the infantry bots are done for when facing the stalwart in a competent hand.

[@cameronmcmeel2766]

I'm sorry i can't make it more than 4 mins into your video without stopping and having to comment. The airburst is crazy good vs bug hatcheries! Pair with eagle and you can map clear quickly and safely from distance. You didn't mention. That's a big deal when talking about overall weapon performance. Especially in a weapon ranking comparison video. Food for thought.

[@stormrider9100]

We do have to count the flying enemies in since they spawn as patrols now. The Shriekers is the type of enemy that's too paper thin to bring thicc gun and too annoying for low fire rate guns (well if u skill enough its all gud). The laser canon does a clean job getting rid of them and can beam things from afar without u engaging (spear superior tho but u wouldn't waste spear on a shrieker lol). Blah blah blah... TLDR laser canon is a multi purpose tool, easy to aim, good for flying enemies AND spore from 200m away on bug fronts, and it slaps on bot front. Great vid nonetheless

[@rev0568]

To me the railgun honestly feels useless. Even after the initial patch I was still able to effectively use it against Bile titans and Chargers. Took a break for a while and a few months later when I return, it feels near useless. As you said, theres really no reason to bring it over other weapons anymore. It used to be great at popping Bile heads and stripping charger armor in one or 2 shots to allow for a quick kill but its just completely incapable now. It seriously needs a buff, especially with the coming 10th difficulty. The way I see it, it needs to be back to its former status. On Helldive ive had occasions where being able to take down multiple bile titans is NECESSARY. Having 5 biles approaching extract and several acid bugs shooting mortars made it so that having the railgun was a godsend because it meant I could relieve some of the pressure from the bigger guys in the horde. I honestly don't like the spear much in comparison and I never take the auto cannon because of that backpack issue. I almost always take a rover guard dog because its excellent at keeping chaff off me and tearing into medium armored enemies and giving me breathing room with terminids. Im hoping that with new enemies incoming (and hive lords seemingly being right around the corner.) The railgun will either get a buff or a new support weapon that feels like a suitable replacement comes out. No backpack, reliable against titans and chargers, and doesnt take a thousand years to reload or fire.

[@hamishblair7504]

I feel like the ARC weapons would benefit from a ‘Tesla Pack’ or perhaps Tesla Drone that ‘hooks-in’ & Amplifies ARC weapons damage or ‘chain’ capabilities.

[@LeroxYT]

Great ranking, but i gotta heavily disagree with the d ranking of the mg42 at bots. For me personally atleast, i absolutly cannot use it against the bugs because of the stationary reload. But against bots its really a good mid, like B weapon imo. It can kill everything except hulks, tanks and factory striders from the front. Good handling, good ammo capacity and average DMG. And i would put the arc thrower at C tier. Its not THAT bad against bots, but it definetly isnt good either

[@fistan5447]

Few things i disagree. First is quasar being A tier. Especially on bots. YOu have to charge it for 3 seconds in order to fire against enemies that'll stagger you 90% of the time if you look at them. Terrible reticle to make aiming harder, and too long of a cooldown for second shot. Second one is Railgun. In automaton front nothing in game disposes devastators and hulks and both striders as fast as this one. One shot each. Considering devastators are most common enemy in higher diff and hulk being the most common big threat, i cant overstate how useful this thing is. I consistently wipe out multiple dropships solo if devastators and hulks are all they bring. Only Striders and tanks are problem which you leave to your team or use strategems. It also leaves your backpack slot open, and shield generator is such an incredible buff in high diff, game feels hardmode without it tbh.

[@xenosbane8543]

Ive found that even on safe mode, the railgun can slap the crap out of bots. Without much presicion, a body shot will down a devastator. Against hulks it you get a beautiful shot, and i mean a truely beautiful shot, you can pen through the eye and kill it. Think the accuracy is slighty easier to get than on AMR since ive managed it hipfire. Does fall off against tanks and stationary emplacements, but even against bugs works as an elite killer, as long as you have AT in the party. (The hulk thing might be 2 shot, but last night I had some hulks dying to one. Managed to get the shot 4 times amongst difficulty 8. So its semi reliable.)

[@GamerKiwi]

I disagree with your assessment of the nade launcher. It slaps against automatons as long as you have an ally with anti-tank weapons. It takes down everything below hulks with ease, and is great for dealing with the hordes of devastators the game throws at you in higher difficulties. Ever since they increased the number of little guys, it definitely is a solid pick against bots. Also I think the mechanical differences between the rocket launchers warrants ranking them separately. The recoilless has the best tempo but has to reload and requires a backpack, the quasar has decent tempo but can be recharged while you use your primary on little guys, and EATS can double tap enemies and has a place as a "secondary" support weapon, like keeping a weaker support for general use, but pulling out EATS whenever you need to take down factory striders/tanks/bile titans.

[@drea2361]

Oy you, quit calling the chaff “low-priority”. Chaff is the highest priority - the chaff calls in bot drops and bug holes. Big boys are easy to take down when you don’t have hunters sneaking up behind you and crickets sending bug-hole signals up

[@notimportant6506]

Arc trower jack of all trades? it should be bottom tier on both category's. It doesnt kill chargers or titans. + flametrower will kill more heavy targets and kill everything else fast AF. Ontop of that lotta primary weapons just straight up are better then the arc. i used to bust deez arc out on terminids and bots. It was glorious blasting everything in the face . Now arc is absolute ass and i feel like a cuck using it. Its weak AF, yes it still does pretty high dmg ( if there is no bush infront of you) Has no range, no stagger, buggy to use. PS just me ranting again about arc trower, its my fav weapon and its the reason i went from playing 4 hours a day to 4 hours a month!

[@GooiYingChyi]

Railgun has really high damage?? But DPS absolutely sucks.

[@unlondonbobby3336]

I agree with everything except the MG-43 and the Stalwart (for bots) For me the MG-43 is a solid A tier all the way at the front, Its my favorite support weapon, I take it with me almost all the time, its an absolute Devastator shredder and makes very short work of Berserk hordes while still having more ammo in the box and reserves, consistently do good with it and I love that thing to death. For the Stalwart I'd move it up to C tier all the way in the back, its really nice and fun to use with against the bots, while true it doesn't really have good enough pen to deal with the bigger threats such as Devs or striders, its just really fun to use and thats what really matters to me. (I'd also swap the Recoiless and Quasar with each other)

[@cheznugget]

The air bust is great with the new reload upgrade you can oneshot hulks and tanks with it so it's not super bad and if you hard spam it with turret support you become the ultimate hord clearer I mainly run bots with it Hulk one shot is shoot their thigh gap Tank one shot is shoot turret ring vent It's not the best against devastator but that's why I bring turret support but just spamming it with the reduced reload and reload cancelling is fine I'll agree there's better stuff our there tho Loadout Heavy medic armour Experimental stim booster Airbrush Mortar Automation sent 380mm Adjudicator Shotgun secondary Thermite

[@Mr_Big_Head]

Gotta disagree on laser cannon. Versus bots only the AC and spear are better. It has no dmg drop off or ballistic drop so you can snipe turrets, tanks, striders, mortars, AA and gunships from across the map. It kills striders 3rd fastest only beaten by HMG and AC. Against bugs it’s pretty good but the titan aim buff made it much harder to run underneath quickly burn the sacs which opened it up to one shot from RC or rocket pods.

[@jagwam]

Lol @laser cannon vs bots would be B-tier. If you know how to use it it melts hulks from the front, melts flying gunships, have unlimited ammo and is one slot meaning you can bring a backpack. Paired with plasma punisher 👌

[@homelessEh]

...ps5 players are being given a damage boost like playing with double damage for free while the pc players are doing less damage then the ps5 player.. because game pads suck gotta give ps5 players auto aim more damage and bumpers along the gutters so they don't realize how bad Gamepads ..really are every game pad has been inferior to a proper human interface device like a keyboard or mouse.

[@homelessEh]

how many times have conned soul users been forced to mangle their hands into shape with a new game pad design more buttons more sticks more pads.... mean while i picked up a keyboard and mouse in the 90's ..and asides from adding a Wheel to the mouse.. thats been the only change in over 30+ years a GOOD human interface device.

[@BadgerMonkey]

I like your overall style, you talk a bit fast but not too bad. I'm concerned about the T glottaling (bu-on rather than button, ti-an not titan) and calling the ground the floor. Like people that only use then and feel that it's interchangeable with than, it makes me think they're stupid and lazy. Floors are man-made and usually indoors, the ground is not. All of this game takes place on the ground when on planet, and on a floor in the ships. You're not too screamy and don't over-use vocal fry, that's all good. GL HF

[@SilentFalcon13]

I use laser cannon for horde clearing on terminids and quite regularly come out with 400+ kills. I'd say it's a B tier just like for the automatons. Not the greatest weapon but OK all around :P

[@kenaiballmer5414]

Spear targeting was never broken. Before you had to have to WHOLE enemy in your targeting circle; now its just the center of mass. It didn't get fixed, it got buffed.

[@sackboygaming7555]

Grenade launcher my absolute beloved Cool grenade launcher fact shooting chargers in the leg 2-3 times allows you to break its armor very quickly allowing for big damage for all weapons :D

[@HyperNova48]

Hard to believe you think the stalwart is a better pick than the MG43. The smaller mag size and stationary reload are really its only downfalls. It shreds enemies in less rounds, and deals with medium armored enemies with ease. It’s so much fun to lay down and start laying down volleys of fire with the MG43. Genuinely my fav machine gun in the game for bugs.

[@tianchris2517]

I think the guy who made the video doesn't know how to kneel and aim ( plus limit fire rate ). I am just in love with the MG43. That being said, on dif 7 against bots, the Stalwart is definetly supreme. You'll never have any issue with infantry and the berzerkers.

[@flounder2760]

Yo MG 43 is pretty peak on automotons it definitely deserves to be in upper C or lower B tier. Medium armor pen on it makes the devastators easier to hit chaff it has pen damage and mag size to really contend... plus although less efficient it can take out gunship basically when you bring an MG 43 your other 3 steategems can just be anti heavy strategems.. or 2 anti armor and a sentry/utility. Seriously an mg43 is atleast as good as the amr

[@thermiteturtle3486]

I use AMR to strip the chin miniguns from Factory Striders, unless you can get a belly/butt shot it isn't worth the ammo or time. Better off giving the rest of your team covering fire and picking off the devastators escorting/spawned by the strider with that time.

[@hounddog1158]

The spear is not an S tier weapon. It's garbage for hulk which makes it useless at higher difficulties on bots, and it doesn't have the ammo economy for bugs. You can make a case for it on a team, but the opportunity cost for the spear is a weapon that can efficiently kill devastators and a backpack slot. That's a poor trade, especially when you can get all the spear's capabilities from an orbital precision strike or a 500kg.