The Best T10 Destroyer?

[@stflaw]

Would really appreciate it if Flamu could update this video, given the significant changes in game play and the addition of new DD lines over the last 2 1/2 years.

[@Elgar7022]

I recommend watching the first one-minute introduction. Otherwise, here are the time stamps. 1:11 Shimakaze 8:50 Gearing 15:35 Z-52 22:50 Grozovoi 27:30 Khabarovsk

[@nishithasapukotanage2952]

Thanks

[@shakuntalaverma8285]

Your a legend

[@MajesticDemonLord]

It's obviously the Minotaur ;)

[@JGenM]

Interesting fact: The Simakaze has roughly 2,081,200 battles played. That is almost 280,000 more than all other DDs combined.

[@00bean00]

Mike F Or two years later even

[@geheimgeheimer3052]

If Z52 wants the Cap, he gets the cap. I really love that ship.

[@00bean00]

At the tier IV right now (V-170), and prior ones, it feels kind of like a U-boat, shooting off torpedoes in 5 possible directions.

[@Irfan87]

Not with the new RN DDs.

[@trlacr1781]

Irfan Khalis you angle, daring does nothing. His hydro is 3km, yours is 6. You are faster. You have better torps.

[@Irfan87]

@@trlacr1781 "Daring is better at the Z52's job than the Z52. If the Daring has the cap you want, you can't take it. If the Daring wants the cap you have, you can't keep it. Daring hydro negates your torps. Daring out ROF's you, out pens you, guns turn better than you, and heals your damage."

[@trlacr1781]

@@Irfan87 He cant pen you with HE, so if you angles, he doesnt do any damage

[@crossfirerambo]

Can you make this into a series. Best DD, CV BB CA(zao) etc. Adjusting for significant patches. Fun to watch

[@chipsterb4946]

Flamu: great format and analysis comparing strengths and weaknesses. Z-52 torps don't have as much alpha damage BUT they can still start floods. My damage is low in Z-52 but win rate is highest of T-10 DDs. Shimakaze still is strong despite nerf. Those torps are SO powerful despite the high reaction time. 3 sets of 5 each gives you so much flexibility. Radio Location is very helpful on the Shima. Khabarovsk is the only ship I do better in when I'm really frustrated or just plain angry. Damage output is huge; however, it's harder for me to carry in a pure gun boat. I used the 10 km torps a lot and miss them. 6 km is just absurd. Gearing handles so badly and torp reload is so long that I prefer the Fletcher.

[@heatherrockwell9012]

How does the Gearing handle badly? Yes, the Fletcher is tier for tier a better ship, but besides being slightly slower what significant changes to the handling characteristics are there?

[@sizzlechestmcmurphy4365]

"I'm easily able to avoid their torps." (as two torps scrape the paint on his hull)

[@maxt1307]

Great video Flamu, really informative and I'd love to see a video like this for each class, I think it'd be really helpful!

[@That-No-Moon]

Well considering the only tier 10 dd I have is the Z-52, I am going to have to go with that.

[@Magnux96]

Remember the days when IJN had the best torps? :/

[@terot8341]

And the day that hey had best camos?

[@ChrysusTV]

Don't need the best camos when they have the best anime skins HUEHUEHUE

[@laser14344]

Kabob, my win rate in the thing is close to 70% and I sometimes play it drunk

[@WalkingCrap]

You're not playing any Russian ship properly unless you're drunk.

[@laser14344]

I'm always drunk when I play the derpzki. is it still seal clubbing?

[@WalkingCrap]

Not if you shower afterwards.

[@GlowingSpamraam]

+WalkingCrap (MrGrind) gotta get the baby seal blood after you clubbed them to death

[@IROCZ28PHOENIX]

Drinking what? Saki? XD

[@Sir_Godz]

i think this is one of the better ship review vids. Tier/class gives more perspective than other styles.

[@armyraw29]

i personally think the z-52 is the best. quick torpedo rearm of 90s vs 136. 46 seconds faster and as a dd torpedo rearm is more important than amount in 1 salvo. and while the guns not being better than the gearing in rate of fire the gearing has very high arcs making the z-52 able to more accurately hit the gearing.

[@GriMAoD]

No prizes for guessing which one got beat into the ground with the nerf bat

[@TheSuperSport]

Z - 52, the torps are ONLY 14k... lol. Another excellent video flamu

[@ThatOneDude7]

every 60 seconds. Basically, when they reach you, his torps have reloaded and already on their way. One minute is 2 BB reloads, keep that in mind

[@centuriomacro9787]

I found Z-52, Shima and Khaba quite and strong, Gearing is somewhat falling behind, especially because Z-52 makes fighting on a cap extremly difficult. In order to use your guns you have to use Smoke and get close, right into the range of several radars, since stealthfiring isnt possible anymore. If you team Up, this ship excels well, if you don't have any teammates to rely on, it can be quite hard sometimes.

[@Razor921]

As someone who just unlocked the Z-46 yesterday, I'm really looking forward to pushing through and getting the Z-52. The German DD line (at least in Tier 7 and 8) has been a ton of fun with great guns (although mediocre HE damage on the Maass and slower reload on the Z-23), great torps and that glorious, glorious hydro that counters just about anything that gets cocky and tries to pick a fight with you. It's also a ton of fun to just pump salvo after salvo of 150 mm AP into a broadside BB or cruiser who thinks a DD doesn't pose a threat to them and try to push my smoke screens in the Z-23.

[@superhirni6816]

How awesome would a Shimakaze be with Akizuki guns?! :D

[@sunde2767]

or just a T10 IJN gunboat

[@superhirni6816]

or make it a even better torpedo-boat and give it torp-reload-booster XD

[@670HP-Package-NOW]

aka a div of shims would be able to wipe out an entire team with skill walls

[@kabur88]

But it's torps are the stock Kagero torps and they only have a range of 10km

[@Trades46]

The fun thing is the Japanese during WWII played with the idea of a faster Akizuki with similar guns but with 6 torpedoes and 37 knots speed. However Japan has enough paper DDs for now.

[@Maddog3060]

Nice review of the T1- DDs. I figured that this would be the answer; "it's situational" is something I've noticed happening even at tier 5 and 6, and it makes sense it'd keep on that way.

[@affe89]

Great informative vid, looking forward to similar vids for the other classes. As for the DD it starts to look like the Fletcher will take the position as alpha DD.

[@donfitz69]

Flamu can you remake these videos updated for the current meta?

[@Spiritus_Invictus]

This video deserves an update. The amount of info has changes so much lately

[@Air-Striegler]

That Z-52 cap dominance double kill destroyer action was so impressive, Flamu, muahhhhh it still shakes me....

[@nazgames1524]

Please make a new one after launch of french dd

[@queueray3658]

Ohh I like this idea. Can we get one for cruisers at T10 and T8?

[@amx2769]

Flamu plz make a video for every class like this, it's really useful seeing all of the DD's compared side by side and I think it'd be great if cruisers, BB's and the 2 CV's got a dedicated video too! :)

[@1stKwestionable]

I legit only want the Grozovoi because those Russian 130 mm/58 SM-2-1 and 100mm70 SM-5-1 gun turrets look sexy as fuck.

[@fafniroth]

goddamn spaceship guns

[@CallicoJackracham]

The hull looks great too, that bow shape.

[@pmbeavis4467]

Some changes I'd like to make to WoWS: 1. When a BB or cruiser launch a fighter and then come under CV attack and the player under attack clicks on a particular squadron to focus AAA then the fighter also attacks that squadron...the ability to vector fighters in a non CV 2. Only spotting aircraft can spot ship launched torpedoes. 3. The ability to have different main turrets loaded with different ammo. ie turrets 1 and 2 with AP and turret 3 with HE 4. Give CV's the ability to customize their load out so long as they have at least 1 squadron per plane type. And while were at it with CV's give IJN cv's a kamikaze last strike kind of deal. Say

[@greasemonkey6362]

I just got the Shimmy and the Stock torps are ...... well ... 20k and S l o w .. and spotted from outer space .... but I have had a lot of fun with them .. ambushing as they come round Islands or in smoke and some time they just don't think they will last that long and it doesn't end well for them lol . so for my play style ... I love the Shimmy

[@TheAmazingBoogeyMan]

I'd like to see an update to this video to see where the Daring and the Yue Yang fit into the mix.

[@ElectroVeeDub]

Best T10? Khabarovsk. However T9 Udaloi and Fletcher seems to do equally as well. Clan wars meta might actually use T9 DDs versus T10 sometimes...

[@TheHardstyleMusicz]

Can I have some of your XP please? xD

[@dyroxium]

Could you do this for the cruisers? With the new lines and stealth fire changes, I feel the cruiser hierarchy has changed in the last few months

[@sizzlechestmcmurphy4365]

I really hope Flamu does a updated version of this video with the extra lines.

[@budak_korporat]

18:42 correction, kagero has 5.4km concealment, 5.5km is yugumo's

[@agnaaiu]

I missed a little bit the hint and gameplay of the Z-52 when it comes to AP. There are still a lot of ships that do not care about broadsiding to a Z-52 which allows it to hammer 5k+ AP salvos in their fat belly (and bow/stern). German DDs can absolutely wreck cruisers and BBs with AP when they are bold enough to show their side. The AP is probably the biggest strength of the german DDs that's why I don't understand why it was not mentioned at all in this video.

[@vahlen5281]

agnaaiu Probably because you need perfect broadsides to shoot at since its normalization is garbage. Something so situational does not really qualify as a strenght.

[@LiveGoDaYDaYs]

khaba can do that too with faster firing gun + better He

[@inthesoo]

I was anxious to see where the Yueyang fit in

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I love hybrid DDs, so I'm probably going to go for the Z-52 for my next T10. Also, Hydro. And it's darn good Hydro at that.

[@thomasduhamel6766]

for any T10 ships (especially t10) The answer to this question is simple: the one you like/prefer to play. I mean theses ships cruisers, dds and bbs are all excellent ships. I mean its the top of each nation's line should not be a hassle. They all good and or have good particularities

[@windborne8795]

Answer this for me please: Why are the Gearing's torps stealthier than Shimikaze's?! Historically, the IJN "Long Lances" were the biggest, hardest hitting longest ranged and stealthiest torps in the world at the time....

[@mww1006]

>Slower Gearing torps disturb less water >Less water disturbed makes smaller wake on the water >Smaller wake means harder to see

[@GlowingSpamraam]

+More Women well yes but the japanese used oxygen torps so no bubbled from the air coming to ensurface of the water all other torpedoes at the time had these bubbles while the torpedo powered by pure oxygen would leave no trail and americans sometimes thought they had hit a mine but in fact it was probably a long range torpedo hit (long lances had 44km range irl) and were impossible to see before it was too late they were also big and packed a 1 ton warhead

[@GlowingSpamraam]

+chris plays fucking ipad buttons being so small

[@ThatOneDude7]

the simple answer is because Shima was overpowered, and they forgot about the Gearing. (it has 16.5km torps for crying out loud)

[@miyabe_k195]

@@ThatOneDude7 it was not overpowered... Sailing in straight lines like a complete noob is jo excuse... And nowadays every fuking ship counters Shima.. Insane turning circles... Crazy speed or acceleration to dodge torps, hydro, radar to instantly kill Shima... Planes etc.... Give it fuking yueyang torpedo stealthiness, it won't be broken and those Noobs that sail in straight line can cry in their own room and not on forums

[@scottthompson292]

Awesome video. The explanations as well as the examples give meaning to the various stats. Will there be videos like this for the other classes? I hope so.

[@Harv72b]

Flamu: "There's never a case where you shoot at someone for a minute and you won't deal any damage" RNGesus: Challenge accepted.

[@Aotearas]

Man, I really wished WG would finish the alternative DD branch all the way to tier X. The current apex of the subbranch, the Akizuki, is insanely fun to play and imho downright tier IX material with just a couple miniscule tweaks. I'd say replace the Akizuki with another ship for tier VIII (perhaps a modified version of an existing DD class to fill the gap), move the Akizuki to tier IX with a couple minor manouverability buffs and give it the option to mount Defensive AA in the same slot as the Torpedo Reload Boost. Then make the tier X of that line the Super-Akizuki class (essentially the same as the Akizuki, but a bit faster, a couple more 25mm AA guns and a single quintuple torpedo launcher), again with the choice between Defensive AA and the Torpedo Reload Boost.

[@ZinXlX]

Not sure why but I always see Shimakaze's in my T10 matches, honestly even with its buffed concealment recently the DD is still underwhelming and a 1 trick pony. It can easily be killed by other T10 - T9 DD's that aren't on the same line as the Shima. In terms of contesting capture points it is so passive that it really all comes down to if the enemy team wants to contest or not and not because the ship is anything to worry about. Matter of fact every time I see a Random T10 match with more than 1 Shima I already know the outcome... the team with the most Shima's lose 70% of the time regardless if that Shima has 2-3 kills. So it kinda confuses me as to why its so popular even by today's radar and radio finding filled matches.

[@paytonolson4840]

Do you plan on doing this with the T10 cruisers/ battleships as well?

[@SteelyPaw]

what does DPM stand for? Also forget team play, in Random you are basically on your own. Also I want a dd that has great concealment vs torps, and I want to do a lot of torping vs using the guns. If I wanted to use guns, I'd use a cruiser or BB.

[@ninjasheep7492]

Gearing is thicc but short and manuverable with good dps. Imo the most reliable and versatile.

[@JEilonwyn]

Excellent vid Flamu. Quick question: I have recently got the Gearing and have found myself comparing it to the Fletcher... Not especially favorably.... Fletcher is stealthier, has better (feeling at least) guns, is faster and more maneuverable, has a slimmer profile, harder hitting torps, etc. The question is how (when) is the Gearing better? Or; How should I change my play to suit the Gearing better?

[@ighicedeamon]

Do you have a video on upgrades for DDs and skill builds? The old ones seem much different than what you're using now.

[@TheButpuppet]

@Flamu This was quite helpful. maybe do more of these comparison vids more often as just straight stat reviews of a single ship don't always give the best picture of what it can do vs opponents

[@tonybotting9548]

It really is so subjective , i suck at gun boats but really exell in torp boats , the damage i inflict in my Shima is just downright scary .

[@repaleonhalo9754]

Z52 is my favorite.. Pure torp reload build its hard for anyone to rush it

[@hmmjedi]

Nice video as it sets out the what each one is good for... would like a listing for all classes...

[@Ignoranzpunkt]

can you made this for T8 too, its very interesting how you compare the ships of her strenghts and waeknes

[@jochenheiden]

Z-52 is the best.

[@00bean00]

Well, at classic DD probably but let's see how the Daring does now.

[@anthracss]

Do a Best T10 Battleship video.

[@facenoise465]

The Conqkek is blatantly the best T10 BB, and also the most horrible, that is, in terms of balance and gameplay.

[@rubitoblondie]

Am I missing something?. My Shima type 93 mod 3 torps have a range of 9.6km not 12km?.

[@lamri13uk]

rubitoblondie Do you have a captain with torpedo acceleration?

[@rubitoblondie]

yes damn it that is it m8 thank you.Have not played Shima for months.get it now.TY for waking me up to this. :)

[@MrWyald]

This video really shows how little the Shima has going for it when other DDs can almost torp as well as the only thing it can do. It doesn't even have a real concealment advantage anymore which is the other supposed strength. Wow all of .1km difference now that's some BS when you look at the size differences. Can't really buff the torps without making it OP but maybe something like capping slighty faster, better concealment, different consumable( since almost every other DD gets three to the Shimas two), or something that would make it a better scout.

[@aussiegamer.9390]

watched 33 min of video for that answer " all of them, and none of them" so i have no more a clue then when i started the video on which line i wanna grind.. i guess the same answer " all of them and none of them" lol. nice video flamu

[@mambomiano4961]

Daring With super heal, improved AP angles smoke on demand and sweet hydro

[@TheMrAtmospheric]

Well i have daring but man Its Slow as hell, you can't run, you can't catch anyone..

[@Juggy00]

Why isn't Fletcher on this list? U know u want it so be

[@jimtejellema4459]

Juggernaut it isn't T10

[@MrWyald]

Because it's a T9 that is better than two T10s lol

[@heatherrockwell9012]

Juggernaut It is the third best DD. 1) Black (not really fair) 2) Khaba 3) Fletcher 4) everything else ....... Last) Mutsuki

[@MrWyald]

Oh geez I forgot about the Black. What the hell was WG thinking when they came up with that OP nightmare lol.

[@Halinspark]

The Glorious Crusader to take back Europe I was starting to get the hang of Mutsuki, then WG split the line and took away all the good IJN DD hulls. Gunboat Mutsuki and Gunboat Fubuki were great when people expected you to run.

[@praoscrihdoe5463]

U should continue this series... BBs... and maybe even do other tiers not just for example t10 destroyers and do best t9 DDs

[@francoisgreasem9320]

Can u flamu what is gearing captain build like gearing in your video please please?

[@Stadtpark90]

18:20 don't try this at home... (- "...for any other destroyer...this is a nightmare situation..." - he probably meant to say: for any other player)

[@ringowunderlich2241]

I'd like to see Khaba pitched against Minotaur one on one.

[@Emperor_Niro]

I'd say Mino wins. I've seen a Neptune win against a Khaba, and if it can, then a Minotaur should too.

[@ringowunderlich2241]

Why does Flamu say the Khaba is the worst for teamplay? Part of teamplay is to atract incoming fire, building up received potential damage. @Niro DeLacie: I'd bet on the Mino either.

[@Winters004]

At close range, definitely the Mino. However, anything at more than 8km is in the Khab's favor due to Mino's rainbow arcs.

[@bruncla2303]

depends if khaba keeps his distance than mino will have trouble hitting him

[@michabanasiak2073]

Noone sane enough will be firing Khaba over other targets ....

[@humblemumble7907]

please make a comparison between Tier X BBs and CA/CLs too :)

[@Mantodeavideos]

Khaba can cap (cos lul 48.7kts can reach cap quick on large maps), do damage, spot, tank damage, and do area denial against ships of almost all classes (only KMDDs and RNCLs have tools to do area denial against a Khaba). Also, I would hardly consider baiting the enemy's first salvo (and thus getting them spotted) "poor teamplay" nor would I consider lack of smoke a downside. I play very aggressively in it and have an average of 2 mil potential damage. I think it is fine. It teamplays in a different way from other DDs, but the fact that the only counter to it are KM BBs and a unicum IJN CV tells me this shit is great.

[@mutantmacrophage6653]

19:57 enemy pink DD sinks itself before first blood granting a kill score of -1 to the enemy team.

[@steelblackface]

I like to play with the shima, its a good disruptor ship. Shima at the end game, if you know how to play, can be really dangerous.

[@harrysparke6277]

steelblackface you can say that about any ship

[@generalgabrielsatori]

What about Machine gun (Harugumo)?

[@paulinejackson5861]

Thanks flamu. Brilliant advice as usual

[@duanesarjec6887]

the next year the french DD will happen we will see if the Mogador ( a super Friant ) = the OP Khabarovsk

[@kabur88]

I think you're gonna need to do a new T10 DD vid as the Yueyang is out, Daring is coming soon and Shima has been buffed

[@myroslavnesysiuk730]

Can you please redo your old Des Moines vs 10 Hosho/Hind vs 10 Hosho and maybe add Henry vs Hosho video? A lot has changed since than and it would be fun to learn who rules the skies this time

[@moses7419]

I think its time forma rework of this video. With Harugumo Kleber Yueyang and Daring there are Almost Twice the number of Ships.

[@facenoise465]

Yeah, don't forget that WG has plans to implement the Italian DDs in the future. That would make the T10 DD list as such: Shimakaze, Gearing, Z-52, Khabarovsk, Grozovoi, Yueyang, Daring, Harugumo, Kléber and Paolo Emilio. The times when the Gearing was thought to have a lot of gun dpm is long gone, and the times when people thought the gun dpm of Daring and Harugumo cannot be beaten has just passed. Here comes the new era of high speed, high alpha and reload boost consumable DDs or high speed, very high alpha and fuel smoke DDs. The only DD that seems impervious to all this change, is yet again, Khabarovsk.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

This is very well crafted

[@SGEBrueller]

Hey flamu, what do you think of a shima with better smoke and expert marksman? Instead of RPF. More teamoriented and better guns...

[@Swahhillie]

If you want to play for the team, smoke screen expert has little effect. It is not about the girth of the smoke screen, it is about how you use it. Long strokes of smoke instead of fat puffs. :)

[@Nihilius88]

The best all around Tier X DD? Easy...Fletcher ROFL

[@billGHH]

How does the pan Asia DD stack up or the other IJN dd

[@bullreeves1109]

Okay so. Shima: good for slowing and weakening a Enemy's Push. Gearing: Great Team play, not a Solo ship more on the torpedo end Z-52: Domination Cap DD Grosavoi: Good team play but more on the solo gun end Khab: Hunter Killer DD cruiser best foe carrying solo with guns. So more balanced then I thought... Interesting.

[@ThatOneDude7]

Grozovoi can be good when divisionned up with something like a Shima or a Khaba. It's interesting in division play. (As long as you're good. it's one of the hard ships to do well in). in the Grozovoi, you just don't want to eat BB AP, Random Torps, A Khaba, or a Cruiser support a DD you're 1v1-ing

[@bullreeves1109]

Yep. I was just listing there Main strengths

[@VuHien2011]

Looks like the order that Flamu is seeing is that the best are the last ones.

[@andrewcharlton4053]

@flamu would reducing the reload time of the torpedoes of the Shimakaze by ~5s help it come back into meta?

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Andrew Charlton lol, ask about torp stealth return back from WG or reload be faster by 30sec

[@jonathanwiner2415]

Do this for all ship types

[@wargamingreplays898]

What is the best tier X destroyer for clan wars nowadays?

[@KGAnims]

Oh man, i remember the times when there were only 5 TX destroyers :)

[@ethan_99705]

just tell us which one is good for a new player

[@abhishekverma-tg5jk]

Yueyang?

[@Zeugenschutz]

Hey Flamu if you had to pick only one Tier X dd which one would it be?

[@poundstone1000]

depends on the situation, ffs!

[@francoisgreasem9320]

I just want to know what dd best shimakaze or z-52 please ?

[@balangas3910]

This badly needs an update since grozovoi now has every consumable that you can think of, the daring, kleber, harugumo, yueyang and halland exist...

[@jg1093]

Khaba, it can influence and control the most space on the map.

[@fancitop3803]

@flamu cane make video for new destriyers comparing them against old ones

[@artlailey1496]

Why are destroyers sometimes referred to as DDs?

[@rickhindle7516]

Well said. I agree completely.

[@leonardowijaya7873]

Should definitely do "Best T2 DD"

[@lachlancaeser2712]

Can you do a battleships top 10

[@ac4694]

You explained a lot, thanks!

[@GrandLapika]

Any recommendations for Comander Skills for all those?

[@cloggedpitot1]

If you watch Flamu's other vids he does in depth builds on each boat. Typically the boat and commander build is at the end of each video.

[@MrMurphyum]

Khabarovsk is a light cruiser with a DD marker! Simple is that.