Loved this type of video, so do more trade videos!
@tylerfitzgerald266 Жыл бұрын
Idk if it's a loser trade, but one I'd like to see highlighted is when my Mariners traded our beloved manager Lou Pinella to the Devil Rays for Randy Wynn. How many other managers were traded for players? And how successful were those players after the trade?
@Reedinho Жыл бұрын
YES! GIVE US NEGATIVITY!
@raymondbaum5410 Жыл бұрын
AJ Pollack for Craig Kimbrel last year first came to mind
@jamesesterline Жыл бұрын
10:07 It was actually the Padres' second pennant, they previously won the pennant in 1984
@DerrickMims Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I did a double take there when he said 1998 was San Diego’s first national league pennant.🤣
@thedude3065 Жыл бұрын
and this guy calls himself a baseball fan?
@bemhibbits4157 Жыл бұрын
Beat the Cubbies and ran into the Tiger buzzsaw in the WS...a team that started 35-5. Willie Hernandez, Trammel, Gibby, Morris...that team was epic.
@ryanfox4462 Жыл бұрын
Gotta do the fact checks before publishing man...
@chloewu2760 Жыл бұрын
@@thedude3065 dude's a mets fan , he's not gonna pay attention to any other team
@scottbaldwin6763 Жыл бұрын
It was actually the Padres second pennant, they won it in ‘84, but lost to the Tigers in the WS.
@TryPuttingItInRice Жыл бұрын
Not a bad team to lose to. White Sox were pretty insane that year.
@jennyanydots2389 Жыл бұрын
You are Wrong boy!! it was the Seahawks that beat them in the WS that year.
@Publiclighthouse Жыл бұрын
The odd thing about Kevin Brown is that he had no intention of playing baseball. Though he was a star pitcher in high school, he didn’t plan on playing when he went to Georgetown but rather focus on majoring in engineering. When the college baseball coach found out how good he was prior, he approached him several times about trying out. After being rebuffed, Brown eventually relented. He was a prickly personality but very talented.
@Tyrunner00976 ай бұрын
Even if it was for a half-season rental, the Brewers trade for CC Sabathia was actually a win-win. CC got the Brewers into the 2008 playoffs, and Cleveland, even though the big prize of the trade, Matt LaPorta, was a bust, the 'player to be named later' would be Michael Brantley, who was a big part of Cleveland making the World Series in 2016.
@MichaelDanger19 Жыл бұрын
Loved Adames when he was in Tampa Bay and glad to see him get his roses up in Milwaukee
@Kurtle32 Жыл бұрын
Guardians and Mets trade as of right now seems like a win-win. The mets received Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco which lindor has obviously been good but carrasco has been decent, and the Guardians received Gimenez, Rosario, and 2 other players that havent played for the Guardians yet but Gimenez has been great winning a gold glove hitting about .300 and 20 home runs last season and even finishing 6th for AL MVP last season and Amed Rosario has done really good as well and he got that nice speed and since 2021 Rosario has most triples and most games going 4/4 or better. I feel like the guardians actually won this trade but I typed all of this down and im not deleting it
@alwillk8 ай бұрын
Rosario actually sucks now, and is barely hanging in as utility player in tampa
@jacobbroene5337 Жыл бұрын
I would have inluded the three team trade that sent Ian kennedy to the diamondbacks, granderson to the yankees and scherzer to the tigers
@PpP-dr1od Жыл бұрын
The 2 trades that came to mind for me aren't particularly even in terms of WAR, but I think they accomplished the goals of both teams. -Phillies trading a package including Michael Bourn in exchange for Brad Lidge. Phillies don't win a WS w/out Lidge, but the Astros multiple 5+ WAR seasons from a gold glove CF, and even a good season from a reliever in the deal. -Mariners trade Randy Johnson to avoid paying him over injury concerns to the Astros for Freddy Garcia, Jon Halama, and Carlos Guillen. Neither side gets what Johnson does in Arizona, but Houston gets a historically great half season and Seattle gets 2 key pieces for their franchise's best season.
@moreumbrellasplease Жыл бұрын
I am glad someone brought up the Randy Johnson trade. He went on an absolute tear for the Astros. That was a talented team and it made sense for them to go all in for a World Series push. He pitched well in the playoffs - it just so happened they got run over by Kevin Brown. Seattle should have just paid him of course, but that is hindsight. They did well in that deal. Almost a Mookie Betts situation for them.
@DT-xw9rr Жыл бұрын
Win-win trade: Zach Greinke to Milwaukee in 2011 (?). Royals got Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar, who would play a huge role in their 2014-15 run, and Brewers got Greinke as their ace
@jackblasbalg7936 Жыл бұрын
Royals won that trade big time by a WAR perspective. Greinke put up 3.6 WAR in Milwaukee (Yuniesky Betancourt was also in that trade, put up -0.1 WAR. The package the royals received put up 32.4 WAR. I wouldn't say the Brewers lost the trade, but the Royals definitely won.
@SmoothCriminal12 Жыл бұрын
Greinke also netted them Jean Segura later down the line as well.
@kiefdemon1979 Жыл бұрын
I hear the name Derek Lee and my heart starts racing and the kid in me gets so excited. Took me back.
@warface999999999999 Жыл бұрын
in my opinion, the DBacks/Marlins trade is a win/not lose. Jazz is solid, but Gallen is a bonafide ace. I bet Miami would rather have Gallen going forward
@coilshredder Жыл бұрын
As a Marlins fan, I can see both sides. Obviously Gallen would be nice to have, but outside of some mistakes in CF, Jazz's numbers are already incredible defensively. If he can settle down and get his hitting back to a better spot, this is 100% a win win trade
@Narcandy Жыл бұрын
I think this one is more win win than the Arraez trade. Pablo Lopez is definitely solid as well as pretty young and they additionally traded 2 additional prospects just for Arraez. Seems like a robbery from twins if any of those prospects pan out. I think its just more unlikely Arraez hits 330 year in and year out rather than multiple solid years from Lopez
@Narcandy Жыл бұрын
@@andrewtaylor995 typically I am with you. But a top end #1 ace who arguably is top 5 in the whole league is more valuable than an everyday player of Jazz’s calibre
@Kubai Жыл бұрын
@@coilshredder jazz is just an average overhyped baseball player imo
@lexiescalderon5639 Жыл бұрын
@@Narcandy but jazz is a year younger and the year hasn’t ended so we don’t know what we’ll get from him, maybe he becomes an mvp in a couple and boom marlins win the trade, we’ll have to see. And with how the marlins are currently looking Gallen is not what where missing
@pennyln Жыл бұрын
The Chapman trade has to be up here. The cubs got Chapman which if they didn’t get him they likely wouldn’t have won the World Series. And the Yankees got gleyber torres aswell as other players. They also got Chapman back in the offseason
@thedude3065 Жыл бұрын
New York trading Ahmed Rosario and Andres Gimenez for Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco
@ezridaxsgender3914 Жыл бұрын
Its kind of early to judge total value but that looks like it'll be on the next list if JO does another win-win vid in a couple years
@DasHeisenberg Жыл бұрын
Might as well add the Diaz for kelenic trade too
@topicbaseball Жыл бұрын
10:07 it was the Padres second pennant, their first was in 1984
@sliver01 Жыл бұрын
I can name three, Joc Pederson, Eddie Rosario, and Jorge Soler for the 2021 Atlanta Braves, Joc was the man for the NLDS, Eddie - MVP for the NLCS, and Jorge MVP for the World Series - and he hit the Moon shot that flew over the train tracks in game 6 that won it all for them
@Garrettcubed Жыл бұрын
You always hear that if you win a world series it doesn't matter how much you give away. I would be interested in some lopsided trades that gave a team a world series. As a white sox fan the Adam Eaton and Chris Sale trades stand out to me.
@TPTGopher Жыл бұрын
As a Nats fan I was just about to write that the Giolito could be on here, because they don't win that World Series without Eaton (and I honestly think they would've won it in 2017 if he hadn't got hurt).
@waltercampbell9787 Жыл бұрын
The Red Sox gave up essentially Moncada and Kopech who both busted for 2 seasons of elite Chris Sale (big reason they won 108 games and a World Series). I think the Red Sox have a slight edge on it just because in hindsight how bad the prospects actually were
@isaacbeynon533 Жыл бұрын
This was a fire video! I feel like looking at some of those super lop-sided trades would be fun/heartbreaking too - as a D-Backs fan I still can't believe the Dansby Swanson/Shelby Miller trade...
@austinnistico3845 Жыл бұрын
Being there for that Juan Uribe walk-off at 5:37 is probably one of my best memories at a live game
@HaydenP96 Жыл бұрын
Mariners trading Ketel Marte and Taijuan Walker to the Diamondbacks for Mitch Haniger, Jean Segura, and Zac Curtis worked out pretty well for both sides
@SmoothCriminal12 Жыл бұрын
And Segura would then be flipped to Philly for JP Crawford.
@justinlast2lastharder749 Жыл бұрын
Yes and no. The Diamondbacks clearly won it while the Mariners got useful pieces...but I think the Mariners playoffless streak ends earlier with Marte and Walker.
@ryangale3757 Жыл бұрын
First win-win trade that came to mind for me was back in 09: Matt Joyce for Edwin Jackson. Both teams pretty much got exactly what they wanted out of that deal: the Rays got 10 WAR over parts of 6 seasons from a solidly league average starting OF on a team that struggled with offense (and even had an All Star 3+ WAR season in there), and while the Tigers only held onto Jackson for one year, they got the best season of his career (a nice 4ish WAR season in 09), then flipped him for, among others, Max Scherzer and Austin Jackson, who were key parts of their mid 2010s run of success. Have to think both sides came away feeling pretty good about those deals when it was all said and done.
@gradywestling Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised not a lot of people are talking about the Pablo Lopez/Luis Arraez trade in the offseason. Lopez became a fantastic pitcher and a regular starter for the Twins while Arraez had the best hitting season of his career for the Marlins, AND both these players helped both their teams make the playoffs this season. This is one of the few win-win trades I can think of.
@jroggs85 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Both players flourished so much in 2023 after their trades and helped lead their teams to the playoffs after losing seasons the previous year, and it'll be very interesting to see how time affects the trade.
@pwnmasteh Жыл бұрын
Love hearing about all these trades. Great vid Jolly.
@JordanRunge14 Жыл бұрын
The Brewers also received Trevor Richards who we flipped for our starting 1st baseman Rowdy Tellez
@rockofshame Жыл бұрын
I think you can count trades as Win-Win even if there’s a war imbalance depending on the situation. If a trade for a rental player results in a deep playoff run, especially a championship, it’s well worth it imo even if the rental player doesn’t resign and the traded player remains good. Also, if a team has an excellent rotation but struggles at another position i think the war difference matters less, since you’re improving where you need it most.
@N394-l1f Жыл бұрын
A good win/win trade was the Blue Jays trading Adam Lind to the Brewers for Marco Estrada. Estrada turned his career around in Toronto, and the Brewers traded Lind to Seattle for Freddy Peralta.
@alexisborden3191 Жыл бұрын
Estrada was sneaky good in the 15-16 run. I always remember that team despite being made up of a lot of the same guys being a bunch of mashers in 15 and then in 16 the pitching just went off we got absurd seasons from JA Happ and Aaron Sanchez who both got CY votes. But Estrada was consistently pretty good both years and got votes in 15 I've just learned from his BRef page.
@danimal097521 Жыл бұрын
1998 was not San Diego's first NL pennant as stated at 10:10. They also went to the World Series in '84....
@fluffskunk Жыл бұрын
I've watched 4 baseball videos today, and every single one has reminded me of the 1995, 1997 or 2016 world series.
@paysonfox88 Жыл бұрын
I don't recall if Roy Halladay was a free agent, or if he was traded from the Blue Jays to the Phillies. But the Jays got way better after that, and made back to back ALCS in 2015-16 after Roy left. The Phillies got more than they expected from Doc Halladay, and several playoff wins. That's a win-win.
@crowtservo Жыл бұрын
The best win-win trade I could think of for the Pittsburgh Pirates recently (since 2010) was the trade of Joel Hanrahan and Brock Holt to the Red Sox for Mark Melancon, Ivan DeJesus JR, Jerry Sands and Stolmy Pimentel. Brock Holt was worth about 8.6 WAR over his 7 seasons with the Boston Red Sox. Meanwhile, Mark Melancon was worth 8 WAR over his 4 seasons with the Pirates. The rest of the guys listed did almost nothing with their new teams. Hanrahan was the big piece going to the Red Sox and was hurt right away and his career was over. Brock Holt was a good enough position player during his time with the Red Sox. Melancon was the setup guy for the 2013 Pirates. The next year, he switched to closer when Jason Grilli was traded away. He had 51 saves in 2015 for the Pirates and was the best pitcher on one of the best bullpens in baseball. The Pirates traded Melancon in 2016 for Felipe Vazquez and the less said about him the better.
@ickybobclay26 Жыл бұрын
Dan Haren was one of my favorite pitchers cool to see him on here
@AndrewDeStJean8 ай бұрын
I love listening to your videos while I drive, but more background noises always make me think it is something in my car
@TheVlad1616 Жыл бұрын
Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz. Robby Alomar for Fred McGriff. Those are the 2 I think of when I was a kid and watched MLB.
@Noseyy Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you started the video with the Willy Rasmussen trade instant subscription
@asdfaeou Жыл бұрын
That Kevin Brown on season bWAR is WILD.
@rogerj21 Жыл бұрын
1:50 Actually Hunter Renfroe was the best overall hitter for MIL in 2022 but yeah...that was a Win-Win.
@MTDubz619 Жыл бұрын
Hoffman for Sheffield worked out for both
@TSteaktheNilla Жыл бұрын
Thank you for reminding me how much we have never had a competent ownership group that had anything other than profits on their mind
@jakobhernandez6104 Жыл бұрын
1:52 “starting off 2023 strong” *shows 91 OPS+ and sub .700 OPS*
@donnyamato3208 Жыл бұрын
You could do Justin Masterson from the Red Sox to Cleveland for Victor Martinez in 2009. Kind of obscure but as a long time Sox fan it stuck out to me. Plus I know you love the unique trades that aren’t as well known
@jennyanydots2389 Жыл бұрын
Justin Masterson was a hockey player. Derp.
@itsmychannel Жыл бұрын
Shoutout JP. Went to highschool with him. Nice to see him mentioned here
@justinfowich6662 Жыл бұрын
Paul Konerko (from CIN) for Mike Cameron (from CWS) in 1999 is always the first trade that comes to mind when I think of win-win trades. The value the White Sox got is a no-brainer. Konerko played very well for them for 16 seasons. Mike Cameron was probably a better player, but the Sox needed a first baseman more than outfielders in the early 2000s with Frank Thomas moving to DH. Konerko didn't play well for the Reds, and they got a very good season out of Mike Cameron before trading him for Griffey. Seattle then got 18.4 bWAR out of him over 4 seasons.
@utlonghorns104ever Жыл бұрын
8:51 - Kind of funny hearing how Corbin is looked at as bad with the Nats while he was a vital player in the ‘19 World Series - obviously he has been bad since the WS (outside of ‘23?) but never would’ve won in ‘19 without him
@1WrongOne Жыл бұрын
I love the splits u show in ur videos to show players going nuts for certain amount of games
@tiffanygraybill412510 ай бұрын
If he didn’t include the gallen Chisholm trade I would have rioted
@EpicInEd Жыл бұрын
I’d like to give an honorable mention to the Red Sox and Blue Jays swapping Steve Pearce and Santiago Espinal. Red Sox get a guy who won World Series MVP as a rental, Jays get an All Star 2nd baseman who better lines up with their competitive window. Not sure what the WAR exchange is, but I think both teams do that trade again.
@tentoesdown8498 Жыл бұрын
Mariners trading Ketel Marte and Taijuan Walker for Mitch Haniger and Jean Segura was pretty fair
@N394-l1f Жыл бұрын
Mariners then traded Segura for JP Crawford
@CycloneBurnesMusic Жыл бұрын
I think the smallest win-win trade was the Steve Pearce for Santiago Espinal trade
@baller4621 Жыл бұрын
Was hoping you’d reference the Adames trade. I’m a brewers fan and it was a great example of win win
@kylebarbarino537 Жыл бұрын
2016 trade with Cubs and Yankees. Cubs get Chapman and win World Series. Yankees get Torres who is multiple year All Star and starter.
@warface999999999999 Жыл бұрын
also, the Padres won an NL Pennant in 1984
@jamieshouldbeavailable Жыл бұрын
I would say Alomar, Carter for Fernandez and mcgriff would be arguably one of the best trades in baseball history. If not for that trade the Jay's don't win back to back ws...
@jamesgilmore69 Жыл бұрын
98' was not the padres first national league pennant, that would be 84'
@kevhead1525 Жыл бұрын
John Franco for Randy Myers.
@briannicasio9445 Жыл бұрын
More please. You could also do win-lose / lose-lose etc
@josephstepp6325 Жыл бұрын
I love videos like this
@1WrongOne Жыл бұрын
Loved these vids man. Like I watched sports center every day and every giants game but I ain’t never had no idea who Kevin brown
@darealtpv Жыл бұрын
JD Drew for Adam Wainwright 🤷♂️
@somekindofchris_ Жыл бұрын
Need part 2. Thanks!
@willfrasure1348 Жыл бұрын
Marlins love a mutually beneficial trade they are so nice
@mattymutz6783 Жыл бұрын
Im sorry but the gallen chisolm trade isnt a win win at all. Gallen has a chance to be a cy young winner and jazz can barely bat over .220
@Clynicxl Жыл бұрын
BA isnt the end all be all for a hitters value just so you know
@mattlentini5460 Жыл бұрын
I agree as of right now but there’s still a lot of time for improvement on jazz’s end
@mattymutz6783 Жыл бұрын
@@Clynicxl you’re right it’s not. What about his sub .680 OPS and his lack luster center field defense? Or his .283 OBP
@mattymutz6783 Жыл бұрын
@@Clynicxl what about his only 84 OPS+? He’s bringing negative value to his team. Idk why people defend him
@Clynicxl Жыл бұрын
@@mattymutz6783 im not defending him but dont try to sound smart like you know baseball when youre valuing a hitter by batting average 💀
@RamReyez3 Жыл бұрын
What about the Padres and Astros trade that sent Caminiti to the Padres?
@brandan7095 Жыл бұрын
Phillies angels was a win win. Marsh turned into a good hitter and ohoppe was doing great til he got injuried but is gonna be a solid player and one of the better hitting catchers
@rorye6952 Жыл бұрын
Id be interested in some kind of "forgotten fleeces" video. Idk if thats feasible but like trades that turned out lopsided that nobody thinks about
@Extinguisher10 Жыл бұрын
Only a minute into this video, i would say that the Mariners flipping Randy Johnson to the Astros for Freddie Garcia, John Halama and Carlos Guillen should make this list.
@iamhungey12345 Жыл бұрын
It depends on whom you ask since those thinking long term would give the W to the Mariners.
@DublinSeafoodInc Жыл бұрын
Great video Jack
@raz1683 Жыл бұрын
Huh, I now realised why I can't picture Dan Harren in one uni lol
@coilshredder Жыл бұрын
The Marlins are the kings of never winning a trade. It's either win-win or a massive L
@Cinderbloxed Жыл бұрын
would be cool to see a video on what makes a modern day pitcher effective at limiting hard contact
@broncos435 Жыл бұрын
location probably (and control is a necessary precursor)
@lurkintomgaming397 Жыл бұрын
I miss Josh Beckett and Jon Lester in the sox rotation. Those are the good ole days for me
@trevordunn3728 Жыл бұрын
I was at Cooperstown when the Cespdes trade happened I was pretty bummed cuz I always liked him
@UnderdawgMLB Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t particularly close in terms of WAR, but the Cubs don’t win the World Series without Aroldis Chapman, and the Yankees get a solid player in Gleyber Torres
@Speedster___ Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the biggest WAR swaps? Where combined war post trade (for contract years) was like over 35?
@21kclank Жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Tyler Skaggs…
@MrMansontaco Жыл бұрын
The best win/win/win is the Tigers D-Backs Yankees. Scherzer Kennedy and Granderson would all lead their teams to the playoffs within 1 year of the trade
@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace Жыл бұрын
The greatest win-win trade in baseball history never happened. Not sure the year, but there's a story about the Yankees and Red Sox owners having a few drinks together and talking about their teams one winter. They got really drunk and ended up agreeing to a trade of Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams... They stopped the trade when they sobered up the next morning. Now.. if that trade happened, it would have been a win for everyone involved. The Yankees, The Red Sox, and both hitters. Williams was a left handed hitter at Fenway, a park that favors right handed hitters... DiMaggio was a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium.. which was a park that VASTLY favored left handed hitters (430 feet to the power alley in left field.. 360 in the RF power alley) Both hitters would have benefited from the change in parks and been even greater than they already were, and would have improved their new teams!
@darkwingdisk Жыл бұрын
What about each teams longest players trade chain. Player A is on the team and was traded for Player B Player B traded for player c until you get to the drafted player
@kiefdemon1979 Жыл бұрын
How much do I love Drew Rasmussen? His name is a predictive text on my phone. Let's go Rays!!
@bradenstewart6270 Жыл бұрын
76 win season is sortof nuts to trade but Marlins gonna Marlin 10:00
@legochickenguy4938 Жыл бұрын
I think the Harrison Bader for Jordan Montgomery trade has been a pretty good win-win for both sides, but they're both free agents at the end of this year so that story isn't entirely written yet.
@jennyanydots2389 Жыл бұрын
Harrison Bader is a hockey player son.
@jamessommers2146 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact.. I actually grew up pretty close to J.P in Wisconsin
@Madman27-g6e6 ай бұрын
Jp firehydrant is wild
@Extinguisher10 Жыл бұрын
Kevin Brown threw the best heavy nall ive ever seen
@7srchoed Жыл бұрын
I loved watching Kevin Brown
@CallofHaloMC Жыл бұрын
That Beckett trade for sure
@illforever4153 Жыл бұрын
Mets fan pick Fulmer for Cespedes for sure lmao
@dafttassia1960 Жыл бұрын
Randy johnson to the astros strangely worked for both teams
@thedude3065 Жыл бұрын
10:08 that's not true 1984 San Diego won the NL west defeated the Chicago Cubs in the NLCS and lost in five to Detroit
@OfficialNoob69 Жыл бұрын
great video
@kartikfilm Жыл бұрын
Greinke from KC to MIL for Lorenzo Cain and Alcides Escobar.
@brianbelden2449 Жыл бұрын
IMO 2007 Josh Beckett was the most single dominant season I've ever seen from a pitcher. 101 mph 4 seamer, a 98 mph 2 steamer, a 92 mph change up followed up with a filthy 12-6 and all within the AL EAST which was in a league of its own. Every single one of those AL East lineups was a mine field for any pitcher. Those lineups were brutal and it wasn't only NY & BOSTON. To this day I also think Schilling should have won the 2004 CY YOUNG award even though Santana had stronger numbers in the weakest division in the AL if not all of MLB.
@iamhungey12345 Жыл бұрын
Weak competition or not it still doesn't change that Santana had better numbers in 2004.
@ob_gynkenobi4014 Жыл бұрын
Dammit. I was coming here to watch this thinking I wouldn't be reminded about the terrible trades the Pirates make.
@azcardguy7825 Жыл бұрын
People forget just how damn good Kevin brown was
@thomasjudge2623 Жыл бұрын
You said Kevin Brown helped the Padres win their first NL Pennant. They won the pennant in 1984
@prettyboiiartistic Жыл бұрын
We need a video on joba Chamberlain
@huntergoldman4546 Жыл бұрын
The kelenic trade might be on here one day
@Jimmersaunt4 ай бұрын
The best trades benefit both teams.
@natediscavage690 Жыл бұрын
Francisco Lindor for Andres Gimenez and Amed Rosario is looking pretty even for both sides
@Jeterfan906 Жыл бұрын
Do some lose lose one’s next lol
@samhunter7619 Жыл бұрын
Annibal should have a perfect game on his resume too, but Jim Joyce is legally blind