The BEST & WORST Abandoned F1 Tracks (Pt.2)

[@alphtjodo9919]

HOCKENHEIM WAS NOT BUILT AS A TEST TRACK FOR MERCEDES GODDAMNIT

[@jakemorganGP]

You sure?

[@jakemorganGP]

I just checked the F1 website and it says so: www.formula1.com/en/racing/2019/germany/circuit

[@alphtjodo9919]

It wasnt its Kind of an urban myth under racing

[@alphtjodo9919]

It was actually built in the 30s by Ernst Christ it is a misconception it was built as a test track for Mercedes just Note that

[@jakemorganGP]

Ok. Well I have to be able to trust F1’s website as an official source of historical information but if that’s true then fair enough 🙌🏼

[@good_morning_to_you]

I actually used to live about 15 minutes away from Brooklands, and I would always visit there when I was younger to see the old cars and the Concorde. One time a volunteer offered to take me and my dad around a portion of the slightly more intact track in a refurbished early 1900s era race car during an event. We of course went quite slow but it felt so much faster. Unforgettable experiences at a historic track, if you're ever flying through Heathrow, its only about 25 to 40 minutes away, highly recommend a visit if your'e near that area!

[@jakemorganGP]

Awesome story man. Brooklands is such a great place to go visit

[@CMS_GAMING25]

Fun fact about Rouen: You can drive it in unmodded Project Cars 2. Also great video my guy!

[@adizMMZ]

Also in Test Drive Ferrari Racing Legends in its 1952 layout

[@nocturnemusique]

I’d love to see a modernised version of Rouen. Such an underrated track!

[@eddherring4972]

Loved old Hockenheim. Unusually it was a better spectacle for the viewer rather than the spectator. Most of the overtaking happened at the 3 forest chicanes. The laps were quite long so spectators who were mainly in the stadium section and along the start/finish and Nordkurve didn’t get many passes of the cars either because the lap count was lower and only really saw any action either on the Agip Kurve entering the stadium section or on the giant screens without the benefit of commentary. All this led to a decline in ticket sales which in turn led to financial struggles which in turn resulted in the German Grand Prix being shared with the ‘European Grand Prix’ at the Nurburgring.

[@mikekent9488]

I love this. Thanks for sharing

[@ThomCB-eh7pt]

Les essart was pretty good said but Rouen, ouch. Btw you can play Rouen-les-Essarts on Project cars 1,2 and 3, and its juste my fav track and chek the vid of the guy who explore abandonned tracks, its very usefull

[@JakeHays4EVA01]

Again a great Video and a german Track on S. But u said it right. We need a german track again. For me personel it doesn't matter which one, but i love also the old Design "through" the "Forest".

[@rimjom_054]

He remembered his password 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️

[@jakemorganGP]

“It’s been 74 years…”

[@Fricis-o6j]

Wdym

[@jakemorganGP]

@Fricis-o6j i havent posted in over a month lol

[@BurnBot_TV]

​@@Fricis-o6j bruh

[@captainsmartass3368]

We need a part 3

[@SiVlog1989]

According to the guys who run the Abandoned Circuits channel, it was not in fact Herman Tilke that was to blame for Hockenheim "losing its character", in actual fact, he wanted to retain the layout that was used until 2001 (often in an oversimplified way referred to as the "old" layout, though it was the third layout). Though the owners of the track, fearful of the perceived challenge posed by the then brand new Lausitzring to the point where they feared losing the Grand Prix, wanted a new layout centred on the Stadium Section. The decision was not so much motivated by safety concerns, rather it was to increase spectator space and more importantly, security (a huge contributing factor in Rubens Barrichello taking his maiden win there in 2000, was a protestor making their way on to the track in the forest section while the Grand Prix was ongoing, even running across the track while cars were travelling at over 200mph).

[@metalswifty23]

Honestly, most of the blame that gets thrown at Tilke isn't actually his fault. He had to work with set specifications and safety regulations, so it's a similar story for a good number of tracks.

[@JCCyC]

Suggestions for part 3: Sitges-Terramar, Monsanto, Nivelles, Casablanca, Jacarepaguá, Adelaide, Bremgarten, Montlhéry.

[@jakemorganGP]

Sick. Will have a look into these. Is adelaide properly abandoned now? Defo not used for any racing?

[@davros_adl8155]

@@jakemorganGP Used for Adelaide 500 every year, but the 'Banana Bend' until the Brabham Straight is unused for racing as the Supercars layout is shorter.

[@MrBritishComedy]

The old Masaryk Circuit (Masarykův okruh) in Brno Czech Republic. Used by F1 till 1949, meaning F1 wasn't called F1 yet and there was no F1 championship per se, but the track was amazing, just like the old Nürburgring and the old Spa Francorchamps. It would be fantastic to have someone either make a video on that or give it some love as part of a video like this one. In 1949, future F1 world champion drove into a grandstand in one of the forest sections. Almost all of the track is public roads now, but among locals that turn is still Farinova zatáčka (Farina curve). Big shame that from 1950 the communist regime decided it wanted to focus on motorbikes, and no longer on car racing. I reckon that we would be racing in Brno, Czech Republic instead of Budapest, Hungary if this decision hadn't been made back then, and honestly, even the layout of the new Brno circuit is way more interesting and fun than that of the Hungaroring.

[@torinoscaletunes]

Loved the old Hockenheimring. The braking zones at the end of those long straights were TINY.

[@mynameiscory]

Hey Jake, pretty new to your content but I do enjoy it! Something I am not new to is motorsport and specifically American motorsport, so let me provide some context for the American racing you don’t understand how we can watch lol. Many Americans love some circle track racing because the actual racing is almost always good. Side by side, door to door racing almost constantly. Actual strategy makes an appearance more often than not (NASCAR still refuels and stops more than once a race), cars can take damage and not have to retire almost immediately because every single point matters and they are awarded all the way through the field. And most importantly, there are no silly overtaking and defending rules. If you’re faster, take the spot. If you don’t have the pace but you do have the position, don’t be surprised if you get moved. NASCAR typically does not get involved in most wheel to wheel confrontations minus a few notable exceptions, which is often referred to as “self policing policy” but will penalize an egregious case like they did this year to Austin Dillon (wrecking two cars in one corner for the win). But bump and runs are defensible moves, so plan accordingly. While nothing beats the excitement of waiting for the lights to go out on an F1 grid, I do love how when a NASCAR race ends I know who won. Whereas when I watch F1 I can watch eight laps of an amazing wheel to wheel fight, and then have it all undone by a time penalty because someone crossed a white line by a centimeter or something ridiculous. There are merits to both and I am glad I thoroughly enjoy all of it. Keep up the great work!

[@jakemorganGP]

Bro it was just a cheeky joke lol. I love watching Indycar and Nascar 🤣 Thanks for watching the video mate 💪🏼🙌🏼

[@mynameiscory]

@@jakemorganGP a man of culture I see. Much respect lol

[@jakemorganGP]

💪🏼💪🏼

[@r4m_safetycar1]

I’ve been to Mercedes Benz World (right next to Brooklands) and Brooklands is absolutely amazing

[@PercyPiggington]

Its really cool seeing brooklands irl

[@jakemorganGP]

Such a great track. Defo go see the museum and Mercedes Benz World if you/anyone is in the UK

[@PercyPiggington]

@@jakemorganGP been to both haha

[@jakemorganGP]

@PercyPiggington haha sick. Did you do the hotlaps at MB World? Pre-covid was like £15 for 30mins in a V8 merc with a silver arrows stunt driver

[@PercyPiggington]

@@jakemorganGP haven’t actually been for a while but at the time I wasn’t old enough, however would love to do it nowadays

[@CV19_YT]

very nice video im kinda dissapionted that you didnt add Bremgarten in Switzerland yes im Swiss and i want f1 back in my country bremgarten might be one of the most beloved abandoned tracks ever i hope there will be a part 3 still a banger of a vid

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇨🇭

[@jakemorganGP]

Maybe I can do a part 3 😉

[@JCCyC]

@@jakemorganGP I made a suggestion with 8 circuits, but I took away East London and included Bremgarten, which I admit is a better choice. Sitges-Terramar, Monsanto, Nivelles, Casablanca, Jacarepaguá, Adelaide, Bremgarten, Montlhéry. What do you think?

[@JCCyC]

@@jakemorganGP Part 4: Gávea, Buenos Aires, East London, Kyalami, Anderstorp, Zeltweg Airfield, Oulton Park, Ontario Motor Speedway.

[@joshuacunningham3646]

you get a like for the 8 bit background jam

[@jakemorganGP]

Hehe. Yessirr. Just trying to find a brand style for the channel lol. Also it makes me laugh when I watch it back so 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂

[@magiclapras]

Abandoned tracks where you can still see remnants of them are probably my favourite. Hockenheim and Fuji from these videos for example. Two more examples are the Red Bull Ring and Interlagos. RBR you can still see some of the track running alongside the current straight after turn 1, and some of the roads connecting to the main Interlagos circuit are part of the older layout. I think you can even still map out the full layout if you look carefully enough.

[@themanfacexiaoling]

i had my driving experience with mercedes at weybridge and part of the route was actually the brooklands circuit

[@UnimatrixOne]

I really really Miss the old Hockenheim! 😥

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

1) My dream German Grand Prix is alternating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring (whatever old or new). 🇩🇪 2) My dream Japanese Grand Prix is stuck in Suzuka, but if the Japanese Grand Prix can alternating between Suzuka and Fuji, i will accept it 💯%. FYI, one circuit per country is my dream calendar, so I will not accept the Pacific Grand Prix. Sorry. 🙏🇯🇵 3) I actually have no idea about the French Grand Prix. If the Bugatti Circuit have a FIA Grade 1 license, it's not problem at all, because we can stuck at that track (like what MotoGP™ did for the French Motorcycle Grand Prix). But currently, they only have a FIA Grade 2 license, so my realistic and current dream French Grand Prix is alternating between Nevers Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard at the Le Castellet. 🇫🇷 4) I miss the Malaysian and Turkish Grands Prix so badly! Indeed, the "Triple Crown of Tilkedrome" is Sepang, Sakhir, and Istanbul. 🇲🇾🇧🇭🇹🇷 My request: The *BEST* & *WORST* Abandoned F1 Engine Manufacturers

[@jakemorganGP]

Good points here bro. Great video idea as well! Thanks for watching mate

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

@@jakemorganGP Cheers, appreciate it. Yeah, you're welcome, mate. 🥂

[@OkHeyKay]

Old Fuji Speedway is insane, unsafe, and very fun! Tried it in Assetto and dude, the banking is very scary

[@KonwTheTrut]

17:17 if you look at circle tracks like the super speedway tracks it can actually be harder to understand oval racing. Short tracks are where oval racing really shines. Everyone can see all the action and within a few laps, the leader is usually passing lapped traffic. It can be intense.

[@jakemorganGP]

No hate to oval racing. Was just a cheeky joke. People don’t actually understand how complex Nascar and Indycar are. They’re constantly on the edge of losing it round every corner. Impressive stuff

[@KonwTheTrut]

@@jakemorganGP oh brother I didn’t think you were being rude or mean or anything. I actually laughed. Just sharing my love of motorsports as a whole!

[@jakemorganGP]

@KonwTheTrut haha. Yeah I know lol but just want to clarify for any who may think I was. Enjoy the Mexico GP bro 👊🏼

[@clankergaming6936]

Can you please do the Bucharestring?

[@itseperkele181]

Suggestion: boost low and mid-low frequenciens in you video editors equalizer. Right now you sound like you are phoning in with a old timey telephone. I'm sure there is presets for speech available. If you are unsure what it should sound like, get a friend or family member to check the sound.

[@jakemorganGP]

Cheers for the editing tips. KZbin is so hard to get right because of all the compression. It sounds great on my headphones but not on KZbin lol

[@itseperkele181]

@@jakemorganGP yeah I've heard youtube messes with stuff. But with trial and error we learn :) I recommend testing the sound with a few different headphones and systems. Imagine what people are watching these videos from, usually its not a 600€ sennheiser headphone but rather a phone speaker or cheap airpods, 2.1 PC audio system etc.. obviously you cant set the audio to be perfect on all of those but you can find the middle road quite easily. Back when I did some amateur audio engineering I used to go to a few of my friends house to see how it sounded there, I even bought a cheap pair of speakers to check stuff trough those. From those I learned I had way too much bass in the songs lol. Anyways, I did that for a decade and still have no clue what I'm supposed to do, so have fun learning :D

[@Ramonatho]

Fun Fact about Dan Gurney:he created a motorcycle, I believe called the Alligator, that rides super low and looks like a Harley super sports bike. Check it out, it looks like nothing else.

[@callumlaird1195]

Would love to see Aintree and Winfield on one of these lists

[@SokkaRocks8]

Also Fuji only dropped from the F1 calendar when Toyota dropped from the series as Toyota also owns the track.

[@catjudo1]

He talks about us Yanks driving in circles, yet Brooklands is an oval... Eh, all good. Oval racing is an art of its own, but it doesn't look quite as spectacular on TV. A lot of us miss Riverside. NASCAR races there were fantastic, particularly in the 70s and 80s when the cars still used bias-ply tires and slid around a lot. As far as modern tracks go, Istanbul was one of the best. A shame that it has troubles, as I'd rather watch a race there over the ongoing disaster that is Yas Marina any day, any time. Looking forward to his take on Watkins Glen. For Indy cars and NASCAR, that track never disappoints.

[@jakemorganGP]

🤣 that’s part of the joke tbf but yeah it’s all fun and games. People don’t realise how much technique and skill there is in not binning it in Nascar and Indy. Like the guys are constantly drifting the rear end of the car at 200mph

[@tomanderson6335]

Riverside may have been in the low desert, but it wasn't terribly remote, even in 1960: There are some famous photos of a grand prix car being driven from a garage in downtown Riverside to the track via Highway 60. In later years F1 teams would test at Riverside (and at Willow Springs) prior to the Long Beach Grand Prix due to its close proximity. One such test saw Rick Mears set a faster time than Nelson Piquet in a Brabham.

[@the_real_beaker_]

American here, American who lives 30 mins from Riverside, I can only imagine the pedigree of f1 snobs showing up to riverside of all places and never wanting to go back 😂 who the hell thought that was a good idea hahahaha

[@jakemorganGP]

😅

[@speed2567]

CHATGPT MENTIONED 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣

[@jakemorganGP]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@ThomasJansen-z1p]

We don’t need especially hockenheim back but we need tracks with changing weather conditions, so no desert(Street) tracks.

[@Leotheleprachaun]

Knew BB Raceway (GT7) felt and looked familiar, IT'S BROOKLANDS AT HOME!! Edit: Nascar is popular because you can actually watch all of the racing in your seat without a jumbotron. Americans are simple folk. If they go out to watch a race, they want to watch the race live. Not on the tv. Also helps that it USED TO be street cars stripped down and beefed up. You see a bunch of cars you would see in everyday traffic blasting around a track, you want to have one of those cars. The whole, "Win on Sundays, sell on Mondays." thing comes from it.

[@martijnkosters9024]

16:00 The 1957 French Grand Prix was held at Reims, not Rouen.

[@MooncricketsInc]

It's a shame hockenheim got kicked out, as well as Nurburgring and Magny Cours for the garbabe in the middle east, or the terrible miami and vegas tracks.

[@raven_1133]

17:21 While yes, we don’t have many road courses compared to ovals, it’s mainly the factor that the cars, which are easy to spin in the first place, are so close together about 90% of the time that even turning the wheel at most 5° could mean the difference of going home or staying late into the night to party. Especially at Daytona and Talladega. Not to mention, while teams exist, there are no (if not, extremely rarely, I can only count 2 off the top of my head) team orders. Unfortunately, NASCAR’s officiating has become…questionable to say the least. All of the crown jewel events this year, except for the Southern 500 at Darlington, have ended in controversy because of officiating.

[@jakemorganGP]

Nah the “circles” line is just a joke lol. I love NASCAR and Indy actually. Shame about those races ending that way :(

[@Martin-lh2jl]

The Hockenheimring is about to get revived in the next few years because they have some big Investors now

[@koalaracingfan]

Here's one for next time oran park since some of these tracks hosted non championship round races why not add oran park it held quite the few Australian Grand prix in its time

[@jakemorganGP]

Great suggestion

[@motelghost477]

Hockenheim (even the new short version) should still be in F1.

[@SokkaRocks8]

Montuic is on AC and rfactor 1 the AC version can be found from a link on thr

[@trainglen22]

Hockenheim is one of my favorite tracks. Hoping that it comes back soon so we can lose Miami!

[@whitefr4me445]

I think the Old Hockenheimring was a bit of in danger of getting closed after Jim Clark's death. And with modern safety protocols and needs it was only a matter of time.

[@eclipsegst9419]

i think that's just silly. we have tire walls, we can make them 6 layers deep if we need. And we have cars safer than ever with the Halo. It's time to do the opposite, stop gimping the tracks, and bring back speed and excitement.

[@andrewbowen4544]

If you've got a original PlayStation you can play the original Hockenimein track (Sorry for the spelling) on Formula 97,98,99

[@jakemorganGP]

Ive been thinking about doing a video playing every single F1 game and doing a tier list

[@BurnBot_TV]

​@@jakemorganGP do it or no guts

[@jakemorganGP]

@BurnBot_TV lol

[@BurnBot_TV]

@@jakemorganGP Good video by the by. Only complaint is some of the Hockenheim details, but that's been covered already by someone else.

[@jochenkraus7016]

The Hockenheim DLC of Automobilista 2 includes old layouts.

[@Suprahampton]

Old Hockenheim as in the 1960's layout

[@rileymcmurray2282]

What about the autodromo de sitges-terramar in spin I thought it hosted f1 aswell?

[@kraikkonen05]

2021 watching max beat Lewis was the best day since Kimi raikkonen became world champion

[@jakemorganGP]

Interesting take 🤔

[@d.b.cooper1]

Thumbnails would help, as would labelling the tracks.

[@surebrec5113]

1:44 Piquet showing what a clown he was. If you want to hurt someone wearing a crash helmet, don't try to hit their crash helmet, and then try to kick them in the balls when they're out of range. Get in there early, visor to visor and knee him square in the jewels.

[@joeshelton1077]

Hockenhiem needs to come back in the F1 calendar one day. I like the old circuit, but the circuit they use today is even better, and Fuji too.

[@jakemorganGP]

100%. It will be back. They are investing over a quarter of a billion $ into the project to get it F1-ready

[@-row-garfield3129]

Brands Hatch is more abandoned in terms of F1 than Fuji or Hockenheim, or even Istambul...it's not even certified for F1, the others are

[@jakemorganGP]

Eh. I don’t know about that tbh. Brands Hatch is literally used every day as a race track for race meetings. It’s probably the most commercially successful track in the UK so it’s not abandoned at all. Hockenheim is being renovated completely so no racing is taking place there. And Fuji has very few races held there compared to its hayday But yeah it was abandoned way before the others in F1 for sure

[@-row-garfield3129]

@@jakemorganGP Hockenheim is after the Nürburgring the busiest racetrack in Germany. You find GT races international and national, bikes, drift events and drag races, cup and touring cars, DTM, classic cars events, track days, concerts, exhibitions When you say there is no racing at the Hockenheimring you must be living under a rock.

[@CassidyBobsonAlexanderEntebang]

1:42 F1 ❌ UF1C ☑️

[@whiteboarder6408]

You ruined Rouen 😅

[@bmstylee]

Ah yes. The Nürburgring James May's favorite circuit.

[@minigungaming5915]

Why in god's name would you allow the Sochi Autodrom to be in a higher tier than the best racetrack California ever had

[@concept17]

3:43 Hockenheim wasn't in f1 2020 tho🤔

[@jakemorganGP]

2019 then. Same thing 🤣

[@rustypotatoes]

17:20 im from the usa and still dont get it 😂

[@jakemorganGP]

🤣 love that

[@arachno000]

we dont need a German GP in F1... we poor taxpayers already need to pay for unreasonable things here in germany.

[@cakrateuku9472]

Who do you think will win us gp?

[@jakemorganGP]

Hope Lando for the title battle

[@YamzFormula1]

poggers

[@kylenimilowich]

wtf

[@BurnBot_TV]

​@@kylenimilowich wdym "wtf"?

[@clemznboy]

Are the chapter names done automatically or something? If so, it doesn't like your accent. Brooklands is labeled "Brooklyn". 😂

[@SMlFFY85]

How can you rank tracks you've never seen?

[@-row-garfield3129]

How can there be tracks in this list, which are still F1 certified and clearly are not abandoned at all.

[@jakemorganGP]

I watched a lot of footage for each track to make my judgements. But 100% my opinions don’t matter, so take it or leave it, that’s completely fair 🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s a tiny portion of the video. In reality this is an opportunity for people to learn more about F1’s history :)

[@johnbremner5339]

congratulations, you failed. Riverside was the biggest loss of American Motorsports. Dan Gurney loved the track, need I say more?

[@jakemorganGP]

How did I fail exactly? This is just a video list about abandoned F1 tracks 😂