The Bible and Plagiarism: Repurposing the Stories of Old

Cynthia Chapman, Johnston & Frank Associate Professor of Religion at Oberlin College, gives a talk to undergraduates entitled "The Bible and Plagiarism: Repurposing the Stories of Old" (September 30, 2015).
The Emory Williams Lecture Series in the Liberal Arts has been made possible by a generous gift from Mr. Emory Williams (Emory College '32 and Trustee Emeritus, Emory University).
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[@simpleiowan3123]

I think if Christ himself re-appeared to some of the ‘faithful’ here and said, “Nah, it’s all crap, the Romans made it up.” those same ‘faithful’ would crucify him all over again.

[@simpleiowan3123]

I’ll take comfort in your rock-ribbed faith until then. You continue living life in fear, which coincidentally, I don’t think Jesus would have wanted.

[@AppleLeaf]

Ieise Brienne so you worship god to not go to hell? That’s the only reason you even worship your god right?

[@greenergrass4060]

@@AppleLeaf christians believe that god loves them first, so much in fact that he sacrificed his son for humanity. Which is why humanity should love him back. Its a relationship not a religion. Imagine being so entitled that if i dont chose you, you will get mad at me and punish me. Thats relationship is sooo unhealthy. Sorry if i cant love you back, but im not chosing anyone else over you..

[@greenergrass4060]

@Ieise Brienne i do have faith and repentance... To Allah 😍

[@AppleLeaf]

Ramieverse ! But he gave FreeWill and is all knowing? So why does he need to earn love? After all he knows who’s predestined to go to hell or heaven before they are born right? He’s all knowing and omnipotent.

[@WalterRMattfeld]

My biblical research interest, since 1990, is in identifying the pre-biblical origins of the Bible, in particular, the pre-biblical origins of the Garden of Eden story. I came to discover that Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson (1810-1895) of Britain, who succeeded in translating Babylonian cuneiform by 1857, had shocked the Christian World in 1858 by averring that Eden's Serpent was a recasting of the Babylonian god called Ea (his Hea or Hoa) of ancient Eridu in ancient Sumer, and that Ea was the creator of Mankind in Babylonian myths. He was also the God of Wisdom for the Babylonians. In other words, EDEN'S Serpent, in pre-biblical Babylonian myths was man's Creator. This announcement to the Christian World occurred in a book authored by his brother, titled _A History of Herodotus,_ issued in 4 volumes, in London, England. Not many today (2020) are aware of all this, even in the Academic Community of professional PhD scholars. My research agrees with Rawlinson. I came to understand that Genesis' Garden of Eden account is actually what we would call today, an ANTI-THESIS it was written, in response to, and in refutation of, an earlier Babylonian THESIS about Mankind's origins, why he was created, where, when and by whom, and why Mankind was later nearly annihilated in a global flood. I have written two books on all this, self-published in 2010, and available at Amazon.com, (1) Eden's Serpent: Its Mesopotamian Origins and (2) The Garden of EDen Myth: Its Pre-biblical Origin in Mesopotamian Myths. WHY THIS ANTI-THESIS? The author of Genesis objected to the Babylonian explanation for why man is a sinner! The Babylonians understood man was a sinner because he was made in the image of sinner-gods! Gods, who before man was created, indulged in lies, oath-breaking, murders, rapes, homosexual sex, sex with beasts, incest with mothers, sisters, daughters and grand-daughters, who held man in contempt. The gods had created man to be a gardening slave in their city gardens in the midst of EDIN, a Sumerian term for uncultivated land, translated into English variously as "DESERT," "WILDERNESS," "THE WILD," "STEPPE." The gods are portrayed in early myths as having bodies of flesh and blood, they murder each other and wind up in the underworld called EDIN. Having fleshly bodies the gods can experience hunger and die of starvation if having no food to eat, so they create for themselves fruit-tree gardens in the EDIN. Tiring of the back-breaking labor in maintaining their gardens they create man of EDIN'S clay. Man will care for the gods' gardens in the EDIN, and present to the gods the produce to eat, so that the gods do not die of starvation. Man's purpose in life, then, is to feed the gods, so that the gods don't die of starvation! This is not commonly known information for most Christians. The gods are fed two meals daily, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. In the Bible God is fed two meals daily, morning and afternoon by the Priests at the Temple of Solomon. If God is immortal and cannot die, why should he need two daily meals? It makes no sense! Apparently the Hebrews never questioned why their God needed to be feed daily two meals, like a Mesopotamian god. By clicking on my name, next to my photo, accompanying this comment, you can access my 70 KZbin videos on the Bible's pre-biblical origins, or visit my website, www.bibleorigins.net for more in depth information. All this is to say EDIN'S Gods were recast as EDEN'S God. This is a form of plagiarism. My research into the Mesopotamian myths about the Gods has suggested some accounts were written originally, as tongue-in-cheek satires about the gods, showing them to be foolish, uncaring, short-sighted, bumbling idiots and clowns! What a surprise to see these characters being recast as a noble, ethical, righteous God by the Hebrews, in the Bible.

[@Blackout0O0]

Check out Sitchin's 12th Planet or Slave Species of tbe Gods! Great books that go hand in hand!

[@WalterRMattfeld]

@@Blackout0O0 I have studied works by PhD scholars on Sumerian beliefs and they CONTRADICT Sitchin's claims! The Epic of Atrahasis explained that Man was created to be gardening slaves for the gods, NOT mining slaves of gold for the gods, as claimed by Sitchin! The gods in the early myths have bodies of flesh and blood and can die if having no food to eat. So they create fruit tree gardens for food to eat. Tiring of the labor in maintaining these gardens in The EDIN, they create man to be their gardening slave. I recommend you visit my website for more info at www.bibleorigins.net so the purpose of man in Sumerian myths is to keep the gods alive by feeding them daily food from their gardens in the EDIN. This food is presented twice a day, morning and evening at temples. In the Bible God is fed twice a day, morning and evening, at the Temple of Solomon.

[@samirpernell2136]

@@WalterRMattfeld He isnt being fed though. The God of the bible asks them to sacrifice animals for a repentance of sins

[@WalterRMattfeld]

@@samirpernell2136 Ezekiel 44:7 , 15 (The New Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha. 1970) "...when you offer to me MY FOOD, the fat and the blood...they shall attend on me to offer me the fat and the blood, says the Lord God..."

[@samirpernell2136]

@@WalterRMattfeld That's the problem with other translations, because the actual translation is my bread. Secondly that is not saying that God eats, God is talking about people that do not follow Him offering the daily sacrifice of animals for the forgiveness of sins.

[@venenareligioest410]

For the children: “I’d urge you to look at those who tell you that you are dead until you believe as they do. What a terrible thing to be telling to children. …and that you can only live by accepting an absolute authority. Don’t think of that as a gift. Think of it as a poisoned chalice. Push it aside however tempting it is. Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way.” Christopher Hitchens

[@venenareligioest410]

@Dylan Wilde I admire his intellect not his background! He is no more responsible for his background than you are for yours! He was not ‘annoyed at Christianity’, he was annoyed at ALL shysters who peddle religious lies and frighten children! If you can find any sentiment within his quote that you do not agree with, then it is a sad comment on your lack of empathy and morality - you must be a believer!!

[@Kman1960]

Thank you Professor. You’re an excellent teacher. You have a great command of both Biblical and ancient history. I could listen to you present for hours !

[@r4tb4st4rd7]

This was awesome to watch/listen to

[@gnbilios]

is yeshua a real messiah or a plagiarist?

[@earlysda]

What is "awesome" about watching someone complain that they cannot understand the simple, holy words of God in the Bible?

[@canyounot5598]

Very informative.

[@faniefaze]

Always a pleasure to listen so someone who is educated beyond the sick world system.

[@ramonzavala3875]

I'm glad Listened to this presentation. Many false teachings and plagiarism has occurred to devert the people from the truth We shall all die one day Then we shall know the Real Truth.

[@Melody.Joy.23]

@Dion Pryor same 😔

[@S.J.L]

The ancient world wasn't all roses either...we have much to be grateful for and to fight for.

[@S.J.L]

@Dion Pryor In the sense of the good fight to preserve and revive civilization, make trade not war.

[@eg4848]

...wtf does that even mean lol. Guarantee you she was educated at a normal university and teaches at one as well which is totally a part of the "sick world system" you speak of

[@mendmrw8752]

really insightful! thank you for putting this lecture online

[@humairyousuf9144]

This lady has the knowledge. Wow!

[@MaNuLaToROfficial]

i could watch her all day

[@philippeplouchart8156]

An excellent exposition.

[@happybergner9832]

This lecture is awesome and fascinating.

[@chadwaldron3568]

2 thousand to 3 thousand years ago there were no laws concerning copyright. Citations were not commonplace but did occur occasionally. She notes several.

[@macharptube]

Excellent thesis with subtle humour..

[@earlysda]

Let's pray the woman repents and turns from fighting God.

[@colinbyerly5212]

How incredibly important her hard work has become. It would be priceless to have her as a team member in the advanced discussions on the deep reality of the oldest communication left around the world yet have a common understanding of what today only a few are able to speak about without the fear of grant study scripted object That its powerful meaning s in the original valued meaning .

[@sisteray3539]

Very interesting well presented talk

[@josephbishara4791]

Wow!! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 In ancient times, someone could write something on a tablet and tell the people that it was written by God.

[@Katherine24246]

Those writings are still being pushed as being written by God to this very day.

[@joselinema]

Yeah it was pretty easy.

[@theresawilliams4296]

Exactly. But if you tell religious people about this, they just put their fingers in their ears and scream la la la la la I am not listening to you.

[@ThePivotDbz]

In 1850 tho, u can just say tablets exist with a message on them that says the Judeo-Christian god changed his mind about a bunch of stuff. #JustMormonThings

[@numaisreginald3671]

In present time, someone could write something on a Tv screen, monitor and tell the people that is the truth..

[@civilpanda9422]

Thought provoking lecture.....delivered wonderfully by this marvelous lecturer. She is a class act. Bravo.

[@kenmcclellan]

The stela at 6:45 is a date. The hour hand (Saturn) points to Capricorn. The minute hand (Jupiter) points to the 1st Point of Aries. The Age of Pisces has come to an end. Now comes the Shen ring of Shamash. Now comes the Beam. Now the equinoxes reverse. Utu takes away the sins of the world on the fourth Ram accompanied by a partial eclipse. (See the headdress of Shamash.)

[@AfricanDocs]

Great lecture

[@Bbarfo]

The ancient biblical writers could have placed the Jack and the Bean Stalk story in it and people would believe it. Especially the New Testament believers.

[@Lbiuzu]

Ever heard of Jacobs ladder?

[@trilithon108]

Jack was True.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@Lbiuzu Jacobs ladder is the Penis which extends from the winter solstice to the spring equinox (female doorway to heaven). This is copied from Egyptian myth of Seb/Geb (Earth) and Nut (Heaven). Heaven's gate has always been the vagina. Another bible penis is Ba'al Peor aka Lord of the Opening.

[@danielpaulson8838]

Didn’t the tortoise actually win over the hare because it was a true believer?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@danielpaulson8838 The tortise was a preacher who butt fucked the hare (true believer).

[@mr.positive7510]

So profound! I am learning so much.

[@aljuric5887]

"Profound"? I'll tell you what I think is profound; A voice woke me up on a midnight highway by whispering two words into me; "Wake up". As my eyes snapped open, I saw a concrete wall coming toward me at about 100 kilometers an hour. After this Being saved my life that night, It subsequently and supernaturally led me to one place; not back to my Masonic Lodge, not to a guru or a religious establishment, and not to a professor of a university. It led me to.. the Gospels.. thus revealing His Identity to me. I now "whisper" to you the same words that spared me from myself and from my own "knowledge"; Wake up. "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise, and hast revealed them unto babes."

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@aljuric5887 Hid them why, and why is it STILL hidden regarding if Adam and Eve NEEDED to know good from evil before they could 'choose' anything for a whole species, such as altering our nature before our births? And why is Satan owed doodly squat, and why does he get to keep any powers? Plus, are Spanish Jews in an inquisition worth as much intervention and attention as the man in Numbers 15:31 was?

[@aljuric5887]

Due to your total ignorance of all of my words, this is all you get from me.

[@sunnydayz8747]

@@aljuric5887 Glad your alive brother! Jesus has risen and returning for vengeance on evil ,and saving His Bride.

[@aljuric5887]

@@sunnydayz8747 Amen, and hallelujah ❤️

[@steveclark8538]

Excellent!

[@leighburville2717]

Honor code defines a community. It is an articulation of shared values. ♥️

[@southcoastpauly]

Notice all the emergence of organized religions, the miracles, the conversations with God , ALL happened back before we understood science and how stuff actually works. People use to bel8eve spirits lived in streams an trees and thunderstorms were the gods fighting in the skies. We acknowledge now that was them trying to make sense of things they didn’t understand. Ditto 2000 old religious tenets. It’s just leftover stories from when we didn’t know what was going on.

[@rowenmaka1093]

Yes we are enightened now. We are obviously descended from ape like creatures. That makes total sense..

[@DM-nw5lu]

@@rowenmaka1093 You really think you did something there, huh. We are not just descendants of "ape like creatures", homo sapiens to this day are apes. Great Apes to be exact.

[@rowenmaka1093]

@@DM-nw5lu Yes, ofcourse. The Earth was rocks billions if years ago. Rocks can obviously turn into humans by themselves. I wonder how its done? I wonder if I take a piss on the rock, if it will become human. Maybe that will cause a chain reaction, and start the evolutionary process.

[@DM-nw5lu]

@@rowenmaka1093 It's hilarous to me time and time again that Christians claim evolution to be oh so unfeasible yet believe in a man in the sky who created everything by speaking mere words. With no evidence no less. I can't take people like you seriously.

[@rowenmaka1093]

@@DM-nw5lu Do you believe rocks can turn into humans? Billions of years ago, the Earth was just rocks.

[@---Dana----]

I think it safe to say all Bible authors were plagiarizing or flat out lying or both.

[@stevepierce6467]

Probably not lying...you have to know the truth to be able to lie about it. They were just expressing their ignorance, and the ignorance of all the previous religionists from whom their religion borrowed.

[@VSM101]

@@stevepierce6467 yeah they were lieing demonzing the people they stole from

[@scottgoulette8900]

@@stevepierce6467 I suspect those at the top of the hierarchy did/do know the truth and they have made career(s) out of hiding the truth... more specifically I'm referring to the Roman Catholic hierarchy, it is fairly well known that they have "bent the truth" to suit their ends. By way of example look up the Donation of Constantine if you are not familiar, a documented case of forgery that even the RCC had to admit... deceit, lies and obfuscation has been their MO since the Roman church became married with the state in the 4th century and continues to this very day.

[@garettjames6349]

Excellent.

[@vincentfernandez7328]

only a few seconds listening and I can see a serious, dedicated, humble, professional.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share my two brief videos with other people. Thanks!

[@maklaren811]

WHAT IS SHE TALKING ABOUT AT 28:00 ? PLEASE TELL ME

[@judahpereira6764]

What a wonderful and scholarly woman! And what a good lecture!

[@dr.kennethvaughan3761]

I agree, she’s awesome!

[@BearFruit90]

Shes hot

[@billrobinson9704]

It's reassuring to know that regardless of age or level of study, learning can be enlivened by a teacher crush.

[@watcherwlc53]

@Thor son of Odin Odinson wait what?

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Exactly! Use the ancient myths as a foundation for constructing a new story that promotes your religious dogma.

[@lloydchristmas4547]

Funny and sad at the same time. Okay, more sad.

[@UrbanDanceAcademyLA]

What you silly “educated Gentiles” don’t understand is that ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE AFRICAN!!!! They all had the same story!! One didn’t predate another...IT WAS HANDED DOWN AS CULTURE.. it’s not a religion...you’re confused!!! Israel is a BLOOD LINE! Culture!! Family bond!!! Not a religion...hahaha...you have inherited lies!

[@johnmcfarland1910]

Let me guess. Christian

[@UrbanDanceAcademyLA]

@@johnmcfarland1910 no such thing as Christian... there is no jesus without Oserapis!

[@UrbanDanceAcademyLA]

@@crazyalarmstudios2012 ok…because you say so!!! There is NO JESUS!! So please stop!! Prove it!

[@hudsonchalmers6504]

Exceptional thankyou

[@oker59]

the books of Chronicles is a re-working of Kings and Samuel as well.

[@thorpenator9148]

Great work, and enjoyable lecture. ..Thank you

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

You left out it's so vague in so many places. Why would divine words be so vague?

[@SuLorito]

Excellent

[@gphilipvirgil355]

Brilliant

[@Achill101]

I knew that the authors of the fertile crescent cursed people who would change their words, take away or add something. But I was a bit surprised to hear that the question of authorship seemed to have been so important to these writers, because I've heard before that it was the Hellenistic world that emphasized the author of a piece much more than their neighbors.

[@happybergner9832]

No no no. Paul of Tarsus, a very Hellinized city, mistranslated, misquoted, and took out of context passages from the Hebrew Bible, in order to have it appear to prophesy the coming of Jesus.

[@Achill101]

@@happybergner9832 - what has your reply to do with my comment? . . . To the question of Paul itself: Paul used the translation of the Septuagint that was the most used translation of the bible during his life. Did Paul use the bible differently than all other Jewish groups in the Hellenistic world? (Remember, there were many more Jews in the Hellenistic world than in Israel in his time.) . . . I think you make the mistake of projecting the rejection of Hellenism by the later Rabbinical Judaism already into the time before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE.

[@happybergner9832]

@@Achill101 the original scripture s were written in hebrew

[@Achill101]

@@happybergner9832 - Yes, and? Hebrew hadn't been a spoken language for centuries by the time of Paul. Translations were needed for those who hadn't studied Hebrew, especially into Aramaic and Greek. The preserved letters by Paul were written in Greek, and for bible quotes Paul used the common Greek translation of the bible at that time. . . . Questions we could ask are if Paul took the quotes out of context and if his way of quoting was extraordinary at this time. My answer to the first question is Yes and to the second question is No. There were many Jews who wanted to see an allegorical or metaphorical sense behind the bible text, and there was no historical-critical method yet. Different Jewish groups used different interpretations, may they be Essenes, Sadducees, Christians, Pharisees, or one of the many other smaller groups of Jews that practiced their faith before 70CE. The later Rabbinical Jews added their own interpretation and codified it in Mishnah and Talmud.

[@happybergner9832]

@@Achill101 you seem to remember quite a bit from back then

[@MrT9822]

I think I have a crush on the teacher😂

[@Terrestrial]

There should be a ton more Likes 👍🏾 for this talk! Excellent presentation.

[@rickywheeler6054]

Nothing they can say will discredit the one true Almighty God/ YHVH. Don't be deceived by the clever hog wash. Bible is correct.

[@Terrestrial]

@@rickywheeler6054I don't think the goal here is to discredit. I think it is to illuminate. By the way, which interpretation of the Bible would you say is the "correct" one? The Samaritan, Druze, Jewish, Muslim, or Christian one? They differ.

[@rickywheeler6054]

@@Terrestrial The original Hebrew and Greek Torah are correct. The dead sea scrolls validate. All other texts are nice, but they are secular / pagan. I am not into pagan nor secular writings unless I want to be entertained perhaps. I respect all the ancient writings. Only one Almighty Living God exists. He made himself known to the Hebrew people.

[@sunnydayz8747]

Anyone know if this lady has more lectures on youtube , I cant find any ?

[@mistersir3020]

20:21 true paragraph

[@381MEDALLION]

I am so glad these professors have exposed the bible for what it is. Its chock full of propaganda, myths, legends, and plagiarism. I grew up in church, but none of those teachers had the balls to tell me the truth about this messy book. I still study it because it's a classic, but it does not control my conduct any longer. I see the book as dated for an audience that read it's original documents

[@harveywabbit9541]

The Holy Bible (Sun Book) was completely debunked by the Frenchmen Charles DuPuis and Count Volney.

[@381MEDALLION]

@@harveywabbit9541 Thanks for sharing that!

[@alegnalowe3679]

One of the reasons i am an atheist and not afraid to say it.truth is truth and the bible and all other so called cult texts are crap.

[@381MEDALLION]

@@alegnalowe3679 Call it what u will but it's not going anywhere. I understand you're an atheist, but we don't need to reject all literature that does not meet our modern day rigid standards of authenticity.

[@pragavirtual]

The bible itself seems to be not only a translation but a reinterpretation of ancient books, those old books seems to have some legitimacy if younput them in context. I was an atheist untill i found the work of Erick Von danicken, whith his work i found the god i was looking for. The 5th kind channel have a nice series of videos who helped much to find my god. Series is caled "why are we here"

[@nefspeaks1983]

Where did the man in audience say the quote was from outside of the Bible at 29:40?

[@bengully5076]

Basic Premise: The Bible stories freely borrowed from the pagan traditions and stories. A plagiarism of pagan practices and is praxis in procedure. Note. A lot of why she alluded to is the changes- both in addition and omisión from the original text that were made by men in power, through the ages. If we could look at the original Bible ( sadly we don’t have it in preservation) we would find very different accounts from what we have today. Second Isiah was an answer to the God of wrath in the First Isaiah, who was a local God. A theme of newness now he is a more universal cosmic God.

[@fireandworms]

Why do you believe in Second Isaiah? Is there historical evidence to support this theory?

[@sunnydayz8747]

Do you believe in Jesus as the Messiah ? Or are you saying the bible is just plagiarized ?

[@patrickvernon2749]

After studying the scriptures of sanatana dharma, the worlds oldest religion there are many things that seem to be plagiarized by the jews and later christians. Events, saying, anecdotes and references… has anyone done work on this topic?

[@gnbilios]

what did the jews plagiarise from the hindus?

[@happybergner9832]

Can you read these texts!?

[@-BigIi-]

no examples?

[@dipakbose2677]

The story of the birth of Krishna,killing of all the children born at that time by the evil king and his father taking the baby to a remote village is very similar to the birth of Jesus and the killing of the children by King Harrod.

[@ericnagler1]

Helped me understand more about symbolism, authorship, artistry. Thank you.

[@maklaren811]

IS SHE TALKING ABOUT SYMBOLISM 28:00 ? PLEASE TELL ME

[@treefrog3349]

Knowledge IS power. That is exactly why a college education is unattainable for a large segment of the American population. "Back in the day" lettered people WERE held in awe and subservient respect. No different today. That is why an advanced education is for the "privileged" not for the many. Subservience must be maintained

[@Matira269]

This is a single lecture that is very deep and wide. Awesome Bible study topic. If only more of us would recognise the evolution of thought in scripture, and banish some of the stagnant ideas of what the Bible is! I will share this with those who are willing to receive. Many thanks to Professor Cynthia Chapman and to Emory University.

[@masterprophet8378]

Which parts are "stagnant," as you say, Samira? The parts of the Bible you don't like? But the parts you do like are still relevant? How do you determine this, pray tell? And how do you filter that in light of all the prophetic warnings in Scripture about how multitudes will depart from the Faith, giving heed to malevolent spirits?

[@happybergner9832]

@@masterprophet8378 don't be so defensive. This is fascinating info.

[@masterprophet8378]

@@happybergner9832 * yawn *

[@happybergner9832]

@@masterprophet8378 😘

[@masterprophet8378]

@@happybergner9832 , thank you for your kind gesture. That's what makes the world a beautiful place, Happy. :)

[@stephanienash9815]

I studied for years with Pastor Arnold Murray Shepherd's Chapel this book has so many things in it and so many Mysteries tells you exactly what kind of people we are it even talks how stupid will be in the end of time and after reading most of these compliments I can see that is true again

[@john4125]

You ain’t lying

[@MERVILLE3]

Nobody thought of a c, with a circle around it? On a serious note, this is superb

[@Fido-vm9zi]

different people must hear in different ways

[@dipakgupta8470]

Beautifully explained.

[@LeftWithRight]

This woman reminds me sooooo much of jody foster. Her looks and her voice

[@krismctopher7]

...but the hetero version. ...Sorry.

[@negusdawoo]

U need glasses

[@00bikeboy]

She's VERY attractive!

[@AlexanderNovak0]

Uff sorry resemblance is not that close

[@negusdawoo]

@@AlexanderNovak0 hahaha .. about as close as Wesley and Woody

[@MrDreadEnd]

This is such an interesting title because anyone with an angle can instantly believe what they always believed.

[@erickramirez8428]

The meaty part starts at 20:15

[@aku7598]

God was talking then but today he's gone to far far away galaxy.

[@austinnewby9666]

Thank you. Saved me twenty minutes

[@rjjohn2241]

@@aku7598 that’s becuase it was the beginning then, of course Gods power was emphasized differently then, he isn’t in a distant Galaxy he’s in Heaven. And sends spirit daily to believers

[@dr.kennethvaughan3761]

Does she have anymore videos and lectures?

[@vegancheetahvlogs]

Simp Hadarrrrr

[@muttleycrew]

@@vegancheetahvlogs what an odd reaction

[@chorabari]

In light of these examples, the closing words of Revelation appear rather commonplace.

[@unknownx7252]

Same thing I was thinking.

[@baptistboy2882]

Ditto. As it turns out there are plenty of places in the bible where crap is added that was not in the earliest texts. For more on that, watch the Bart Ehrman and Mike Wallace debate.

[@marcdemell5976]

@@baptistboy2882 Waste of time and she is clueless.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I think someone once said something similar, "Hath God said...?" It's nice to imagine, what if the Book of Isaiah was written by two different people but that's conjecture. It's the same thing they do with Revelation saying, "It's not the same John." It's not error but it casts doubt on the word. "Yea, hath God said ye shall not eat of every tree of the Garden?" Sometimes, all it takes is a single drop of poison.

[@qhhtpractitionerapostlemat8106]

37 min in God is Marduk described well as king of kings and king of the Universe in Sumerian Creation story

[@RaiderRants]

Her summary of what the Bible is on the 23rd minute is absolutely beautiful

[@justincredible.]

the bible is a book filled with Genocide, infanticide, murder, rape, slavery, fairy tails, and so on.

[@ivarhakuse8572]

The Bible is therefore a historical account of the evolution of a people which also includes some of their spiritual aspirations insights experiences etc. That makes it interesting and important were I as an Indian Hindu, wished to carry out a anthropological study of those people. It sheds lights on them only and not on Maoris in New Zealand.

[@ivarhakuse8572]

@Lara Gravenor yes as a Gentile Hindu I’d say it was a strange light that brought a darkness to my land.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@Lara Gravenor Sorry, so salvation is from the Jews... whereas jeopardy is from...?

[@joiamed8544]

I never heard of Jezebel getting "bad press" but then again we don't have an alternative source citing king Ahab Isaiah is a scroll, not a book.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

In error, there are psalms attributed to Asaph. While not every psalm of David is David, there are ones that bear his name, others that are anonymous.

[@typologetics3432]

Some interesting observations. I would also factor in the breath of the biblical concept of delegated agency. For example, Elijah is instructed by Yahweh to anoint Hazael as king of Syria, Jehu as king of Israel, and Elisha as Elijah's pophetic successor (1Kgs 19:15-16). Yet Elijah fulfills his mission by personally anointing only Elisha. Elisha in turn anoints Hazael (2 Kgs 8:13); moreover, Elisha sends a servant to anoint Jehu (2 Kgs 9:1-3), an action twice removed from Elijah himself. There are other examples in OT and NT. So, it is not altogether suprising that a prophetic scribe in Isaiah's tradition (possibly two of them, even) continued Isaiah's message.

[@user-sj1tt3ie3z]

solomon had x (amount of) horses...but the amount changes on another page, as amounts of other things change between pages. Even just 1 typo shoots a forever hole through a perfict book. Whether a farce from beginning or merely tragically translated......it's full of errors.What is the difference of purposely teaching errors & indoctrinating with lies?

[@taye7968]

Yahweh is a pagan God he and his wife Asherah used to be worshipped together

[@Irishmule169]

I'll bet the religious hate this video

[@brendangolledge8312]

Why? The closest thing she said to there being plagiarism from the Bible's author's is that some ancient compiler didn't bother to clearly distinguish the boundary between two texts. Anyone who's ever read the Bible will have puzzled over this on multiple occasions. They didn't clearly mark who was speaking the way that we do.

[@J0HN5AW]

All she said was the Bible is artless plagiarism that got a little better after the Jews were exposed to more interesting people during forced exile and captivity. My 1970s Methodist Sunday School teacher was more interesting.

[@maddyg2320]

@@trae6170 ... And that's probably the worst part because what if we're given religion (bs) to keep us from the truth of what really happens when we pass away. What if everything we do in this life dictates what happens in the next. Is reincarnation real, can ppl really communicate with the dead? Are there secret words that one must say in the afterlife? Not saying that I know the answer to those questions, but there's definitely a sinister reason for why we've been given religion, bibles, qurans etc and a reason for why the church has made sure to demonize Egypt. Perhaps the writings in Egypt's hieroglyphics hold truth ?? The powers that be would never share true knowledge with us hence they've given us a bible in its place. We must question everything 👍

[@maddyg2320]

@Irish Mule69..... Very true! The sad part is that ppl have fallen for the bs..I did for a couple of years until I read the bible cover to cover. We know that the elite are making sure to give the BuyBull validity, they fulfill the supposed prophecies to make us think that the words in it are "god" inspired however, it's an agenda book (right in our faces) not a prophetic book, but what if the elite will use the coming of "Christ" aka "the rapture" to eliminate most of humanity? I mean the Georgia Guidestones are clear so these ppl either know what's coming (a reset in time as it's been happening for thousands of years) or they can cause something to happen via project bluebeam. Regardless, religion is absolutely the worst thing ever given to us for free. If it's free then question it 👍

[@maddyg2320]

@@trae6170 ... Yup, that's absolutely true.

[@localbod]

What a different world it was 7 years ago. I really enjoyed listening to this.

[@lytnin88]

If you compare the style of writing of "Isaiah 1" how does it compare with "Isaiah 2"? Is it obvious to any Hebrew scholar that they were penned by two different men, separated in time by centuries?

[@marvymarier8988]

Excellent; try Elaine Pagels , you'll like her also .

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

try Prof Walther Veith , you will like him even more

[@Melody.Joy.23]

Also Christine Hayes :)

[@granthurlburt4062]

At 7:26 she is making a joke "few of us would claim divine authority for our college essays". No burst of laughter, unfortunately! (Will this be on the exam?) Another joke at 17:40. That's what it;s like being a university lecturer

[@f4qebutuoy595]

Her first point is honesty, it just so happens to be funny at the same time ...

[@jdrancho1864]

Best to leave the comedy to the professionals.

[@richardholmes7199]

Where were the third of hosts supposed to have been plagiarized from?

[@tramainecbaynes1364]

Cool video.

[@baptistboy2882]

There was a break between Isaiah 39 & 40. Chapters Forty through 66 were written by an anonymous author, not the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah was dead by then. Therefore, chapter 53 that evangelical Christians use as a prophetic text concerning the Messiah was added on by someone else much later. Fascinating.

[@noname-by3qz]

Baptist... Wow! Can you cite a reference for this?

[@graham9454]

@@noname-by3qz Did you watch the video? Baptist Boy was summarizing what Cynthia Chapman stated in the video between 31:30-32:40. BB then adds that the implication of this is that this anonymous "2nd Isaiah" wrote the words that are being attributed to the singular Isaiah by some evangelicals. Per Cynthia, in the time stamps I gave (specifically @ 32:22), the second Isaiah was likely written in the 6th century B.C. What Baptist Boy didn't say is that this would explicitly impact the prophecy in any way. Traditionally the passage is considered to be referring to the nation of Israel as a whole, though there is some debate as to whether it could be referring to Jeremiah who was depicted as a model for the nation as a whole - which also immediately follows the book of Isaiah. Scholar's tend to agree that the gospels were written based on the oral tradition. The writer of Mark, the earliest written gospel (written around 66-74 A.D.), had access to Isaiah as it is mentioned in Mark 1:3 to validate John the Baptist. Yet Mark has no account of Jesus' birth because that connection hadn't made it into the oral tradition yet. As that oral tradition expanded and changed it was added to bolster the accounts in Acts, Luke and John who also had access to the Torah, and thus Isaiah, in between 80-90 A.D. (possibly as late as 110 A.D.) and likely worked the phrasing from Isaiah into the accounts of Jesus in order to bolster their account's credibility, if the oral tradition had not already done so in that additional 10-20 years given that the oral traditions that led to Mark had referenced people to Isaiah already.

[@dip6081]

The Bible is nothing more than a remix of ancient Nile Valley Spirituality

[@nappyscribe1987]

So glad someone else knows!

[@asonyunshanji4735]

If the Bible is nothing more than a remix of ancient Nile Valley Spirituality... then how are you mentioned in it? Its description is spot on too.

[@elcuhfrijol8754]

@@asonyunshanji4735 because they elites bolster themselves as the true jews. When they not becuz if that was true it would be the black folks.

[@shaddyraddyworldmusic]

Yup. The writers also borrowed from Ancient Mesopotamia such as Hammurabi's Code and Epic of Gilgamesh

[@LiveMercifully]

@@shaddyraddyworldmusic Wrong. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnOkk6ewYtBqZpI&feature=emb_logo

[@crhu319]

15:00 first copyright notice with appropriate curse! Adding this to all my own work lol.

[@theway4989]

@24:39 Is. has only 65 chapters?

[@dip6081]

Good topic but none of what she said is new Dr. Yoseph Ben Jochannan, Cheikh Anya Diop, Chancellor Williams, Anthony Browder, John Jackson, and John Henrik Clark and many more all spoke of this.

[@shaddyraddyworldmusic]

Faxx. Also check out The Real Merkabah

[@faithfultheology]

Well ya professor all go to.same class learn same stuff I bet if I taught someone .math lot of it would be repeat if you taught same subject to same person

[@jessegeeward1577]

You read and know!!

[@Dask410]

You've got that right my fellow learned.

[@unknownx7252]

@@shaddyraddyworldmusic just started listening to him, can't stop.

[@morneterblanche2228]

This was very helpful. Thank you . May God bless you and all around you .

[@lytnin88]

Perhaps, Professor Chapman, the reason that we are still reading the Bible 2000 years after the canon of Scripture was completed is because the Bible is indeed what it claims to be: the inspired word of God.

[@garywilliams4070]

Great lecture who is the speaker?

[@henriboshoff5416]

Saying that most ancient writers didn't cite their sources, is a bit like saying that most comments on this video don't cite their sources.

[@gocrazy3564]

These writers have sources.

[@letsomethingshine]

Only if KZbin commenters are all paid by Kings to type, or are themselves collecting money "for a charity far away from you."

[@sirrevzalot]

Is the point of the comment to say the biblical writers weren’t historians? 😏

[@trilithon108]

Interesting that God was mad and vengeful when he wanted to kill and punish the Jews for sinning and he apparently used the powerful Assyrians to do his dirty work. Later he was much nicer when he used the Persians to help the Jews. Now days God seems much more chill. Some ask whether it's the same guy?

[@pragavirtual]

Whoever told you any of this was a "work of god" lied to you, god gave you life and everything that keeps you alive, what you do with your life is on you. Using the name of god to enable you to do bad things is the only unforgiven sin.

[@hypergraphic]

Marcion beat you to that idea by 2000 years or so 😂

[@abnerruiz4011]

@@pragavirtual God also told me to tell you to stfu

[@benjamintrevino325]

@@pragavirtual the Bible itself recounts instances of God himself, or through His angelic and human agents, killing many people. This doesn't come from any secular source. And no, I wouldn't dream of using that do bad things. I'm not as demented as the God portrayed in the Bible.

[@pragavirtual]

@@benjamintrevino325 things i learned over this year is that nothing in the bible is about God, the creator, the source of life. The bible is only about the powerfull ones, entities from somewhere that initially came to help us and they turned into our masters, they had a job and they did it. We called them gods because they were powerfull and wise, but after sometime they turn arrogant and selfish. And then translations of the bible made the sttories about them even more confusing and evil.

[@gabrielalexanderkhoury73]

Interesting. The Sun God, during Hamurabi's time circa 1790 BC, was called SHAMASH. today, nearly four thousand years later, the word Sun in Arabic is SHAMS.

[@dipakbose2677]

I thought SHAMS in Arabic means evening.

[@lytnin88]

Apparently, Professor Chapman, you don't believe that the author (or authors) of the book of Isaiah was a prophet. Do you believe that any of the Bible is prophetic? How would you interpret the 53rd chapter of Isaiah?

[@kpvr8656]

If history of the world is true, can we record it differently? If we record it like the previous ones, is it called plagiarism?

[@edmonddantes9784]

The definition of plagiarism actually emphasizes the acknowledgement for the copying and giving credits to the original authors, which bible does not fulfill at all, instead, Christians claim their bible is original. Also, even taking your words literally, what do you mean by 'like the previous ones'? How could you say that if you change the names of the gods?

[@rodvota3825]

I ♥️ Cynthia , she is my Goddess .

[@kandiceguzman]

Okay, thank you. I'm still not certain what my exact geneology is but this will help family.

[@shira1270]

Who is she? Outstanding

[@19VANIKA]

The part about the Psalms in respect of David is not true. There are numerous Psalms that are attributable to other persons e.g. Psalms 79 - 81 - 85 et al.

[@markdoldon8852]

She wasn't stating that EVERY psalm is attributed to David. What she said was that SOME people liked to attribute later works to David.

[@tedgrant2]

I read the Bible, cover to cover, in 1968. I've since read it completely about 9 times. In addition I read some of it every day, because it's my favourite book. This morning, for example, I read the story of Samson in the book of Judges chapters 13 to 16. His mother was visited by the Angel of the Lord ! Sounds familiar ? (Judges 13:3)

[@glennhorlacher4752]

If Samson had actually existed, he was a thug and a murderer.

[@tedgrant2]

@D Sullivan Correct on all counts. But I recommend you read Leviticus chapter one. It's really good.

[@tedgrant2]

@D Sullivan Have you read Deuteronomy 28:27 ? It quite easy to understand... "The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt and with the emerods and with the scab and with the itch whereof thou canst be healed except by using Germolene, which works every time"

[@tedgrant2]

@D Sullivan I think the stories were written for several purposes. But clearly, entertainment must be one of them.

[@SireAzi1]

@@tedgrant2 these things are actually copied from Egyptian religious writings and it's amazing that these people thought they have already destroyed all the existing Egyptian religious text or they had the intentions to destroy them all, or just maybe they thought the whole world would remain stupid and dumb.

[@MichaelMendis]

What Cynthia Chapman is talking about is not plagiarism at all, but rather its inverse, namely, *identity theft.* Whereas plagiarism is *literary* theft, what the Bible writers engaged in was *identity* theft (or *forgery* ). The examples that Chapman cites (such as the Pentateuch, the Psalms, and Deutero-Isaiah) are all examples of attaching someone else's name to one's own literary output, rather than attaching one's own name to someone else's literary output. In fact, there are *no* examples of plagiarism in the Old Testament in the strict sense of the term (though we do find it in the New Testament in the Synoptic Gospels, but even there it is not technically plagiarism, since the writers of the three Synoptic Gospels are anonymous). There are examples of literary borrowing, as is found in the early myths in Genesis, most notably the Creation and Flood myths, which were borrowed from the myths of the Sumerians, the Akkadians, the Babylonians, and so on. There is, also, literary imitation, as is the case with the covenant between Yahweh and the Israelites found in Deuteronomy, the format of which is modelled on the format of the vassal treaties that were commonly entered into by conquered nations with their conquerors in the Ancient Near East, most notably the vassal treaties associated with the Assyrian King Esarhaddon. What the two types of theft (literary and identity) have in common is that both are theft and therefore both are dishonest. What needs to be kept in mind, however, is that the concept of *"intellectual property"* and the *right* to *ownership* of intellectual property is less than a century old, and the concept of plagiarims is just a bit older than that. Today we think of intellectual output as a commodity, which can be bought and sold. For the overwhelming majority of human history, individuals may have asserted their right to their intellectual output but were powerless to enforce this assertion in any meaningful way. The best they could was call down execrations and curses upon woiuld-be violators (as Chapman rightly pointed out), but in the absence of any real substance to those imprecations, the assertions of ownership were meaningless for all practical purposes and the reality was that a literary free-for-all prevailed.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

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[@MasterSpade]

The New Testament is now known, whole or in part, in nearly five thousand Greek manuscripts. Each one of these manuscripts differ from the other. Hence The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible is forced to say: It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the Manuscript tradition is wholly uniform.[18] -George Arthur Buttrick (Ed.), The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible, Volume 4, 1962 (1996 Print), Abingdon Press, Nashville, pp. 594-595 (Under "Text, NT"). The original copies of the NT books have, of course, long since disappeared. This fact should not cause surprise. In the first place, they were written on papyrus, a very fragile and perishable material. In the second place, and probably of even more importance, the original copies of the NT books were not looked upon as scripture by those of the early Christian communities.[19] -The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Except wrong. OT and NT Scripture is the most widely disseminated, extant, and un glossed (unaltered) literature in the history of humanity. By a huge margin.

[@SireAzi1]

@@anthonyhulse1248 All were work of plagiarism ... From the ten commandments to the resurrection .... For starters google the Egyptian Origin of Morality, ie the 42 laws of maat.

[@onlyme972]

Scripture, a collection of scripts, bible from biblios a book, nothing to worship

[@sebolddaniel]

"Shems" means "sun" in Arabic. "Bablyon" means "Bab Allahon," "gate of the Gods" in modern Arabic. These languages have changed so little compared to Indo European languages. What happened to the science of glottochronological linguistics? I thought ancient languages were supposed to change at the same rate, like the Hubble Constant?

[@WhirledPublishing]

The public is held captive in a prison of lies that include the timeline lies, the lies about our Earth, lies about geology and chemistry, volcanology and glaciology, lies about botany and astronomy, lies about politics and economics, democracy and freedom, equality and justice, lies about the child rape cults that are presented as "sacred" religions and so on. To see the conspicuous contradictions in their parade of lies is to look beyond the deception to see the truth - this includes understanding the true timeline for the languages and linguistics, the true timeline for the "ancient world", the true timeline for music, the true timeline for our Earth's continents, oceans, mountains, cataclysms, etc., the true timeline for our Earth's expansion, Earth's ice sheets, Earth's broken and subducted tectonic plates and so on - all of this is clearly documented - by our ancestors - in hundreds of old documents - which results in a timeline that is corroborated by thousands of other independent sources. When you have the true timeline, you realize the spoken Sanskrit - which is considered one of the earliest languages - is alive and well and spoken by millions of people - by another name - the clues are all there - but very few care about the truth enough to look at the evidence.

[@shira1270]

No it’s “shums”

[@sebolddaniel]

@@shira1270 Wow. I beg to differ. What dialect are you studying?

[@shira1270]

@@sebolddaniel My late husband was a Saudi and he said it that way. Are you learning some sort of dialect in school?

[@sebolddaniel]

@@shira1270 I learned Arabic at Defense Language Institute. I just went to the on-line dictionary where there is a recording, and I hear something more like an a short "e" sound, though I can hear "u" too. I would have to see whether the voweling marker is over the consonant. I am not a native speaker so what do I know?

[@rogermiller2159]

You have given us a glimpse of how a mind will stray when you have no direction. Everything is a lie, we will not assume authorship therefore we are free to make our own paths as justified. Its a dark world

[@ts4gv]

lol

[@skywatchers9675]

@16:07 thats either Hathor or ISIS. most likely isis The Egyptians and Phoenicians had such a close relationship that the venerable Isis and Osiris legend of Egypt included a trip by their queen to Byblos in Lebanon to seek help in time of need. It began when her husband - the god Osiris, who was also the king - was killed by his brother Seth. The body of Osiris was sealed in a chest and thrown into the Nile River. The rest of the story is told to us by Plutarch, the Greek biographer.

[@randykrus9562]

The fact that other ancient religions had dying and rising gods before Jesus.....should be a bit disconcerting to anyone thinking its true.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

actually that is an urban myth that has been dispelled on numerous occasions by people such as Prof Gary Habermas and Dr Subodh Pandit I think even the great skeptic Prof Bart Ehrman tore that myth a new one on one of his lectures if memory serves correct but that aside even if other religions had "god" who died and rose again , it is completely irrelevant , because only the Judeo Chrsitian religion has prophesies with a 100% success rate you can look at videos by Prof Walther Veith to see just how accurate some of the prophesies have been

[@djp6191]

Its not disconcerting as we know false gods in ancient times are considered myth and the true God of the Bible Jesus Emmanuel is age to age and eternal and will return soon to judge the world

[@richtertomatala]

@@djp6191 keep dreaming

[@maxgonzalez214]

Idrimmi sounds a bit like Donny T. :)

[@Mari_Oh]

Ha ha, yes!

[@albusai]

That's why is important to understand Isaiah 46:10

[@bipin_here_]

What do ya mean by that??

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[@bcalvert321]

The Psalms are not all attributed to him.

[@chazayah5985]

This lady is the devil 👿. She’s a deceiver