The Big 4 Shonen | Fake Fans #4

[@santiagowho]

Just what I needed for my second monitor at work. Side note agree 100% for ORV. Goryeo's First Sword was epic but I feel like I lost some of the vibes the author intended by not being Korean.

[@maivthao]

I'm so happy to know peener is into romance and villainess genre. I feel like it has to be a hidden guilty pleasure of mine because people just don't discuss it as casually as isekai or Shonen and such.

[@duototreolife]

He also loves any fan service or things with little girls which is a little weird play saying the only anime he's watches konosuba

[@MidnightreaderYT]

I'm not trying to sell you on Haikyu I just want to defend it a bit. I've read and watched Haikyu, it has some flashbacks yes, but not to the degree that you've heard about and they are mainly in the first season. It's also mainly from the main characters, and are included to show you what drives the characters and in Kageyama's case his trauma. The animation isn't bad either, it was mainly an artstyle change that I don't really like either but, however that doesn't make it less enjoyable to watch. It's just a bit jaring. Haikyu is one of those manga/anime that get better the more you read/watch. It's also one of the few sports manga/anime that has every character on the team improving, not just the main characters. If I was going to have a problem with the series it would be that Hinata doesn't become a good volleyball player until season 4 of the anime (around volume 24-25 of the manga). He starts improving in season 3 (around volume 10), but he earns his place on the court in season 4. That's not bad when you consider it's 45 volumes with 407 chapters, but it's the only problem I personally have.

[@deluminate4158]

i watch alot of podcast and this is probably one of my new faves

[@demize569]

Scarra was just yappin about Haikyuu

[@yuwubai345]

Saying it's always the same sects is sort of how western fantasy is always about elves, dwarf, orc it has those sort of "predetermined" lore that basically set the genre

[@adityaekka3409]

This is true....elf are beautiful with long life, dwarf are short blacksmith etc. Its always the same, but god forbid if tang clan makes poison.

[@TakomiBaka]

That’s kinda why I fell in love with Martial Peak, there’s not many generic Sect names and it’s got 3700+ chapters of actual good combat and world building. Top 3 picks for manhwa

[@Elthan]

Great episode! I love that Peter is so into genres that are generally aimed towards women, and I totally agree that they're usually written better just cause they avoid a lot of the bad stuff that comes with men writing it. If you're looking for suggestions I highly recommend, though they're not romance and do follow younger people, both Witch Hat Atelier and Magus of the Library for their amazing world building and art. Two of my all time favourites. I also really like The Case Study of Vanitas and Majo to Yajuu as well. As for manhwa I think My Life as an Internet Novel and Regressor Instruction Manual are both good recommends if you haven't tried them. There's also The World After the Fall for a more tropy pick-up. I think most of the other suggestions I would make you've already read or wouldn't enjoy (Dandadan, tBAtE, unOrdinary among others). The discourse around Mushoku Tensei is interesting and something I feel is conflicting. I find the world really interesting and the story pretty good, but it does carry with it a really unlikable main character that has a big, glaring issue. It's such a bummer cause it puts such an ick on an otherwise good story and also makes it hard to recommend to other people. Same story with Made In Abyss which I love.

[@EyesDontCry]

I personally really enjoy rudeus as a character, he actually puts to test the idea of a character not being good but not being bad and forces you to look at him in a more complex way (atleast for me) That's what I get out of the series, I think the focus on his past life makes it all the more interesting and wouldn't wish for this series to be without it

[@Mkgrgr]

i cant agree with the haikyuu take... there are a lot less flashbacks compared to sportsanimes like major, captain tsubasa or eyeshield. + the last arc is so hype.

[@endub6551]

As an anime watcher the only thing I can agree with is I preferred the original animation style. When they do goofy faces in the new style it just don't hit the same haha

[@Chonny2964]

The Breaker has 3 series now The original 'The Breaker', 'The Breaker: New Waves", and now 'The Breaker: Eternal Force' which is still in serialisation

[@hosakuwanderer2399]

I was wondering where it went.

[@dapossessed]

The Blue Lock discussion WOKE me UP WTF 😅 No wonder it's so popular in Japan for BOTH genders 😮

[@elementneon]

Ok, I take back half my compliment. Y'all sometimes talking just to hear yourself talk. I have been watching Black Clover, been loving it, and Peter remarked that he really liked it, but added that "it got good after the boring elf arc." Well I was mostly through the elf arc, and loving that, so I looked forward to what came next. BRUH. The entire series is 170 episodes. The elf arc ends at about episode 125, so according to Peter the only good part must be the last 45 episodes. Except the next 20+ episodes ends up being almost solely FILLER episodes. I am now at episode 155 (of only 170) and it is still a training arc at best. I never say opinions are wrong, but brotha that is as objectively wrong as any opinion could ever be.

[@alchemist1122]

The greatest estate developer is a peak manhwa. It's literally god-tier entertainment, and definitely one of my top 10 manhwas out there.

[@jimbob929]

34:45 Big respect to Scarra for the Worm shoutout, It's so good that it's kinda ruined other superhero media for me cause I'll just compare it to Worm and nothing else is even close to hitting as good. I'm also almost through book 1 of wandering inn and enjoying it a lot so that's good taste.

[@tacomuncher323]

just binged the first 3 ep and y’all drop another one 😍😋 perfect timing

[@fitzfizzy]

Love this podcast because I'm a big webnovel reader so it's great to hear about some of the things I've been reading but not from an anime perspective. Also scarra with the big recommendations that feel fresh after reading xianxia for the 10th time. Slime was one of the first webnovels it's honestly kinda hard to reread but it was fresh at the time. The end was great, and the fact that it has an end is rare by itself, even it it's at this point it's a pretty standard way to end that style of super long webnovel. It's kinda wild to watch this because I'm a layer deeper than manga/manhwa for some things. Like I can't imagine reading ORV in manhwa because it references so many webnovel tropes and really plays into that as a webnovel itself.

[@JonathanMooney97]

gonna listen to this while I decompress from an interview later this afternoon... perfect timing!

[@matthewbetancur8031]

"jungle juice" is pretty good too with nice art and a different take on powers

[@JordanQMonroe]

Loving this podcast so far! You guys have got me obsessed with 20th Century Boys I'm 120+ chapters in after like 3 days. Loving the takes as I am also a Fake Fan in the same way

[@dianitedaemon5310]

Peerless dad is so goated, first time ive heard someone else talk about it.

[@kassygo1375]

Superhuman Era is actually really really good! It’s still ongoing and has a lot of relevant stuff still left (isn’t running on fumes and making up plot points for no reason like some other manhwa)

[@siddamo8256]

I love how this podcast caters perfectly to my tastes in manga

[@sleepynayr7795]

Woo perfect timing for listening at work, I like just finished the other 3 episodes too

[@vqs2920]

"This is why we're called fake fans..." still gonna be said in episode 400

[@dzello]

Hi Scarra and Peter, here's some recommendations: I'm Really Not The Demon God's Lackey Arte Mercenary Enrollment The Strongest Florist I'm Actually a Cultivation Bigshot Tale of a Scribe Who Retires to the Countryside Reformation of the Deadbeat Noble The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor Kaichou wa Maid-Sama Based on what you said, I feel like you could enjoy some of those.

[@scarra]

Ive read all of these except the first one LOL

[@dzello]

@@scarra Give it a go. It's in the "clearly trash, but I'm reading hundreds of chapters of it anyways" category. Based on what you said in the four podcasts, I think you and I have very similar tastes hahaha!

[@yuwubai345]

@@scarra Give Dungeon Odyssey it's different than the others manhwa adaptation that are mostly 1 to 1 from their source material, also the art is pretty unique

[@spiegel2947]

​​@@yuwubai345I like this one kinda unique with the Rts-ish feel to it

[@earelevant]

maybe im built different or some bullshit but i have no trouble remembering the numerous characters in My Hero

[@AlvinBryanAbun]

a classmate in school passed me a volume of dragon ball and said "hey you know about goku?". The rest was history, I started drawing, and manga collecting, watching anime, all that jazz. Toriyama's name was ingrained in my generation of kids. GG. get toast on the show so we can talk about one piece next. Also read sakamoto days.

[@Gentulman]

Never forget The Cape. Without it, we wouldn't have 6 seasons and a movie.

[@alessm2206]

Spice and Wolf is cute. In human form, she talks about being comfortable naked but he insits that she wears clothes to fit in. I haven't kept my eye on the reboot since I want to finish the og.

[@xaviersgiantego1453]

I hecking love the villainess genre, definitely my guilty pleasure with a few incredible titles

[@charlesshaw2464]

Loving the podcast fellas

[@luiszuniga8318]

My sign to finish reading Worm and The Wandering Inn. I'm not sure if scarra has read Mother of Learning, but that's peak as well.

[@eyesmilest4823]

as a big manga manhwa reader i LOVE this podcast so much

[@eyesmilest4823]

i’ve already rewatched the last episodes

[@ethanchin3870]

58:09 I think it's generally okay if they use luck and convenience to start off a manga/manhwa, because it's like how are they going to even kick start it without this, and if you think about it in a way where you view his situation as one in a million, then you can read it as the rare story of an individual of a unique world. Also to be fair they don't really use the "regression" trope or info from the future later into the series and I think it's more of a "tower climber" than a "regression".

[@Jam_Jon07]

I LOVE DOUBLE CLICK YES SCARRA. I read a ton of manhwa. Superhuman Era and ORV are really good. I would try Leveling with the Gods. It is one of my favorites. Reaper of the Drifting Moon is really good. Mercenary Enrollment is also peak. I also really enjoy Arcane Sniper.

[@AoiNoSakura.]

Got into ORV coz of Garnt's/Gigguk's video as well. That manhwa is lit 🔥. Scarra, you might like How to Live as the Enemy Prince, The Perks of Being an S-Class Heroine (give it a few chap, I promise!), Purple Hyacinth (Bungou Stray Dogs-esque). For Peter, I think you for like Lady Wants to Rest, Seduce the Villain's Father, I'm No Heroine!. For heavier story try The Fantasie of a Stepmother, The Golden Forest, How to Win My Husband Over.

[@TakomiBaka]

My top 5 cultivation manhwa recommendations. 1. The Heavenly Demon can’t live a normal life 2. Martial Peak 3. Logging 10000 years into the future 4. Rooftop Sword Master 5. Volcanic Age Drop some suggestions for more good reads

[@Smogless_256]

Im so happy that Spice and Wolf got a reboot. The og anime is still one of my top 5 and the light novels are goated. My unsolicited take is i will vouch for anyone who wants to watch Spice and Wolf its a slow burn but so worth it.

[@succulentboi676]

I don't think Peter's summary of FFF-class suicide hunter does not do the story justice. There are so many themes of envy, human connection, and empathy. Pleaaaase if you haven't, get to the Murim arc, it is so beautiful. Scarra talked about it.

[@kaipearson2465]

mushoku tensei anime is great, especially season one, the studio was literally made for the series, and full new languages were formed, shits insane.

[@saintyoo]

Yeah, so disappointed with season 2's production and direction. Show went from great to mediocre. I read both the WN & LN, the issue isn't the story. I even watched a couple episodes of the idolmaster show that the season 1 director got poached for, and it was great. It could have been an all time classic.

[@kaipearson2465]

@@saintyoo praying to god that the staff who came back for s2 part 2 can work some magic but season 1 really was something special

[@mateuszczyzewski8847]

31:30 Scarra casually spoiling what's happening after 150 Chapters of Blue Lock

[@abhishekak9619]

so consistent upload schedule. unlike some others i know of.

[@KRISWITHAK93]

I love the manhwa discussion hope you guys discuss it more

[@jarus_me]

among the manwha im reading i love double click as scarra said others are: the boxer maybe meant to be(for peter) weak hero teenage mercenary nanomachine descended from divinity hanlim gym freaking romance(again for peter) unholy blood

[@twitch_takeutchi]

Dude, I love Blue Lock so much that it's my first set of physical mangas. I have Books 1-11 right now!

[@raxxarus7345]

I Hope Peter continues SSS Class Suicide Hunter, It's surprised me with the depth it went into with the romance in the arc scarra talked about.

[@songschannel9059]

Don't think he was talking about the romance arc bro. It was the murim arc.

[@trage6102]

Love this shit, glad to see new episode

[@PurGePose]

Peter saying he likes BC makes me feel validated for liking it since my friend introduces me to it after finishing fairy tail. Sometimes you just want to have that power of friendship, plot armour so thick it shakes the earth with each chapter it takes, super determination protag story.

[@OneDragonArmy]

Had no idea Scarra read Worm, knew he had good taste. I do actually think they’ll enjoy steins;gate if they actually finish it, in retrospect I do remember the first half being massively slow but it makes sense to me since it’s based off a VN and Fate anime are very similar, you get like 12 episodes of buildup before it all comes together

[@bufflesssupport]

"She's a Thousand Years Old, btw osifer" 🤣🤣🤣

[@slapdatbutton8931]

The first Manhwa I ever read was the first volume of Blade of Heaven. It was pretty damn old too by the time I read it, which was close to 15 years ago!

[@elementneon]

Honestly, call yourselves Fake Fans if ya will, but the anime opinions y'all have given align with my own far more than the Trash Taste boys tend to. If ya watched Garnt vote on the Crunchyroll awards, it is rather easy to see that he prefers the less popular shows. It feels ironic to say, but I find it refreshing to have an anime podcast willing to admit that some of the popular anime is popular for a reason, and not just hating on it purely because it reached mainstream success. Speaking of which, I am on episode 100 of the Black Clover anime I started recently, and I agree, there are very few episodes I have not enjoyed watching, and I am excited to hear that it only gets better from the Elves arc I am currently enjoying.

[@wisteria3173]

I think you should look at Mushoku pervy side as a extension of the protagonist character. Unlike other show that uses perviness as a comedy, MT gives a reason why the protagonist is prevy, not saying that his actions is justifiable, but it explains the twisted mindset he gotten from being a NEET. That's why when you compare the younger Rudy to an older Rudy, the difference is huge because he manages to experience truly living.

[@atlasstudios]

i think solo farming in the tower and homeless are my fav manwha currently, big mouthed flower has been pretty good too.

[@AnHer02]

imo "Legend of the Northern Blade" and "Reaper of the Drifting Moon" - one of the better ones Murim manhwas (and I think both of them based on the web novels of one author). Also "Chronicles Of The Martial God’s Return" is pretty fun read with cutest kid to protect.

[@OneSmolMistyBoi]

As a current reader of Blue Lock I think the flashbacks from Haikyuu is one of its strong points. While Blue Lock is hype I feel more conmected to the characters in Haikyuu and I'm sort of missing that in Blue Lock. I really hope they actually do that formula in the next arc.

[@Cassker]

the manga of misfit of the demon king academy (Maou gakuen no futekigosha) stopped because the artist died

[@jaywaii3187]

Centuria! It's like Vinland Saga meets Berserk. I hope the story goes on strong for a long time.

[@reversesky23]

i did not expect a double click mention, i kinda dropped that manhwa but it was good Also, to add on scarra's manhwa analaysis, theres one more main category, which is MMO, stuff like overgeared/strongest troll/sleeping ranker

[@defterikaitriti3279]

"Names change overtime" -Scarra 2024

[@kelposo]

Scarra is the first one I've seen talking about Her Summon and he did an atrocious job selling the premise lol. Go read it, it's the best Manhwa i've read

[@kenithy]

Yooo, I have been reading Double Click as well, that is sick

[@Firewallxt]

Going to recommend Legend of the Northern Blade, Is a Manhwa and set in murim, so it has some of those tropes. But the Art is great and I enjoyed the story.

[@ruthusflabbergast1263]

If you guys haven’t read Oyasumi Punpun yet you guys should read it. I want to see your review

[@michaelhuang7007]

Haikyu never fell off - I can see if you stopped in the middle of a training arc but it never stopped getting more and more awesome. And the anime does a great job. Also one of the few mangas where I actually loved the ending.

[@kylezaii]

THANK YOU! Finally someone with actual taste, Kaiju no.8 is actual dogshit. Like no joke it had potential, but goddamn does it go to shit.

[@Barry587]

If you look for interesting manhwa i would say The beginning after the end(interesting power system, isekai but done good in my opinion) and nano machine(diferent look on Murim with system)

[@Pipere7a]

I’m enjoying this podcast

[@KWyvern]

My Kings are back

[@richmon78]

Manhwa Recommendations: I'm a Martial Arts Villainess, but I'm the Strongest Infinite Leveling Murim Murin Login The Beginning After the End Pick Me Up Infinite Gacha I Became the Tyrant of a Defense Game Swordmaster's Youngest Son My Wife is From a Thousand Years Ago Kill the Hero Perfect Surgeon Return of the Iron-Blooded Sword Hound Not Sew-Wicked Stepmom

[@johnbui4714]

have you guys given legend of the northern blade , barbarian quest, lazy lord masters the sword a try?

[@aryuuma]

So scarra have you ever read regression manhwa but for office job? Like The Man, Chaebol youngest son, Be the Actor, 100 year old top chef?

[@adityaekka3409]

Day 2 of asking fake fans if they read Blame!, its so unique.

[@ConClasher3]

If they haven’t I pray y’all check out Dungeon Odyssey that manwha is peak dungeon exploring

[@IamKernoArt]

I recommend reading The worlds greatest estate developer! One of my favorite's!

[@ForeverAMusicLuver]

I lowkey really like black clover like it gives same energy as fairytail, I read it first and when I watched the anime the first what 30 episodes asta was so loud but after that it got better

[@nanja555]

Reaper of the Drifting Moon is my one Murim Manhwa am reading, the art is good and the story is diffrent than other Murim Manhaw.

[@Puwui]

Hot take: Dragonball GT is the best of any of the series because of it's AMAZING ending. Alot of the series was so so BUT in the end it paid homage to Goku and respected his legacy in a true send off to not just him but all the characters.

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

Honestly the problem with the Murim manhwas is that it's all in the same setting essentially. So every sect, every place, hell sometimes every iconic martial artist is the goddamn same, so even if they try to do a uniqur story, it still feels samey. Imagine if every isekai manhwa is all set in the world of Overlord or Konosuba, it will feel the same after a while.

[@x5aber]

Double click - The one where the MC was the reason why the first game fall off. He was the one creating the new metas and is dominating the cheaters arena with a potato pc on the old game One Sword.

[@tacoslegit1556]

One of my favorite podcasts

[@Sac_153]

Overlord is a great series prefer it to most of the isekais out there, have you guys heard of the Toaru series it’s my favorite next to the monogatari series also it focuses on all of the characters and the world building is great hope you guys talk about it sometime

[@totheendandbeyond]

The problem with a lot of manhwa is that they're adaptations of pre-existing novels, and that kind of messes up the pacing of the whole thing, cause a lot of the details and nuances of the original work are kind of missed. I'd suggest y'all to read the novel versions of any of the manhwa that you're on the fence about, cause they're probably going to be better.

[@SKAOG21]

Yeah, read ORV's novel a few chapters after the Manhwa started, an it was so much better than SL. The Japan bashing is still annoying though even if there's historical reasons to it, not that it's unique to ORV

[@spiegel2947]

I read a lot of isekai/regression Manhwa but the only famous one I can't seem to read continuously is SSS suicide hunter I don't know why maybe because it's story is just slow for me because of it's Save Point mechanic

[@charlieharper6377]

Can you guys talk about the landscape of vtuber now versus back when they started? More specifically, is there chance that another huge vtuber will ever come out?

[@abcdefghijkl3319]

I don't even watch anime / read manga but still love listening to them

[@mewblue1505]

I LOVE BLACK CLOVER YEAAAH

[@Azrael-ty7gq]

The Couple Breaker

[@Khob]

I don't watch anime or read manga, but I just love listening to them talk lol

[@CallMeFern]

Personally, I like Slime more than Overlord. Overlord plot felt very generic while filled with fan-service and fantasy fulfillment to me. Slime has those same aspects but to a lesser degree and that resonates with me more.

[@jaywaii3187]

Another manhwa genre I notice is up there (maybe not top 3) is school bullies. Makes you wonder how bad are things in real SK schools are (which I heard is not far from the truth).

[@sharkydarky1210]

peter goated for the black clover take

[@moonglaive5686]

You need to watch the konosuba movie before watching season 3, not that recommended but if you wanna understand what's going on for like the 1st quarter of season 3 ep 1 then watch the movie

[@mmysteryph]

I love that peter loved black clover and I agree with most of what they said. It has a lot of plot armor. But it's also enjoyable as a turn mind off anime. 😂 It's not my favorite tho. My all time favorite is hunter x hunter.

[@asnipersfate]

In Kaijuu no. 8 I really like Shinomiya personally.

[@masamune100]

Fun fact: They continued The Breaker in webtoon form. Not sure if it's worth the read. I need to give it a try.

[@spiegel2947]

I think they will have a Game themed topic in the future

[@Lazorouz]

Scarra exaggerated the F out of the my hero point, they introduced like two classes and villains and top heroes.

[@dusankorizma]

If you havent read a good slice of life manga in a while please read hirayasumi, its wholesome vibey and its art is really cozy. it has like 50ish chapters

[@NooJies]

Man, they either don't remember Misfit of Demon King's Academy, or haven't seen it, because they were pretty far off the mark on that one. 🤣Pretty sure that was made more as a Parody/Comedy of exactly what they're describing.

[@Happydumdrum]

You guys should talk about BL and its influence lately and have any of you read BL if so talk about them, also what kinds of personality traits you like and dislike about some characters in some anime or manga. And would want to also know more about some impressions from anime or manga that has changed out look on your lives, something inspiring maybe or anything at all.