The biggest advancement in dust collection

[@gritautomation]

The GRIT automation system for a home shop typically falls within the price range of $2000-$3500. In a previous comment, a mention of a $5000 system was priced out, which suggests the presence of either numerous tools in the shop or higher priced three phase tools. For a standard GRIT system, comprising of seven tools (triggers) and seven blast gate controls, a collector device, along with the GRIT hub, the approximate cost would be around $2500. We do understand that this still is not in everyone’s price range. Investing in the GRIT system is akin to purchasing a valuable tool such as a Sawstop. Not only does GRIT provide enhanced safety and automation, but it also enables greater efficiency making for better quality time in your shop.

[@pmelchman]

well said.

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@SamWanamaker1]

Thanks for posting!

[@qwk351]

Grit automation, Thanks for your reply. I wanted to share what my comment was based on for everyone. Here is what is in the shop that I priced out on the web site. I am lucky to have built a very nice home shop over some 45 of years wood working as a hobby. The system I had to manually put together as the program at the time would not price a complete package out after inputting my tool information. I had a Hub, and a total of 10 blast gates 9 - 5" and 1 - 4" with 9 regular triggers and one 30 amp for the 5hp Sawstop. The the shop has a jointer, planer, router table, band saw, drill press, spindle sander, disc sander, floor sweep and wide belt sander which were all 5" blast gates and I added the really cool sensor switch for the air filtration. Also a unit for the Oneida dust collector. I do not have any three phase tools but I do have 5" blast gates which cost $225 verses the $100 price of a 4" gate which could explain the extra cost along with 2 more tools and a floor sweep. I really like the product you are offering and would be a nice addition to my shop. Unfortunetly it is comes a price that is out of this average persons budget.

[@laurawerner]

The prices for the GRIT system look pretty reasonable to me. I've actually spent some time prototyping a similar DIY system myself, based on ESP32 microcontrollers, current sensors, and servo motors to move the blast gates. My conclusion was that it's possible to DIY, but only if you're a competent programmer. (Fortunately I'm a retired software engineer.) But it was going to be a lot of work, especially the software part. People who freak out about the cost of systems like this often complain about how high the retail price is compared to the cost of the parts that go into it (the bill of materials or "BOM Cost"). But the BOM cost is nowhere near the whole story. It takes a huge amount of time to develop a product like this, and even more time to make it bulletproof enough to sell to people who aren't engineers. The latter is where the DIY dust collection automation systems I've seen fall down. They are nowhere near being "plug and play"; instead you have to modify the source code, recompile, update the microcontrollers, etc. in order to to configure them.) The developer needs to get paid for all that time they spent on R&D, and usually that's a bigger portion of the retail price than the BOM cost is. Also, the price has to cover the time that they or their staff spend on sales, order fulfillment, tech support, etc. Plus office space and benefits for any staff. Machine tools, 3d printers and/or electronics lab gear for production. Warehouse or storage space for stocking the product. It all adds up quickly. I need to do a bit more research, but I'll probably be buying a GRIT system for the big new shop I'm about to set up. (Once construction of my new garage/shop building is finally done.)

[@guillaumemolter]

Hi Jason, a few days ago my 2 y.o. son turned on my table saw, fortunately I am in the habit of lowering the blade at the end of the day but I immediately remembered watching this video. Next day I had a nice chat with Joel from Grit automation and ordered my system. Thanks for doing this video and helping us keeping our loved ones safe.

[@bentswoodworking]

You’re welcome

[@scottgrossman6148]

I don't believe I heard Jason mention the exceptional level of support from Grit Automation. I'm bringing my Grit system up right now and Joel and Jaclyn are incredibly helpful. My Gyro 700 dust collector switching required a feature not yet in their system. The feature was added and pushed automatically to my system (via the Hub) to bring the collector to life. They are helpful to brainstorm the best solution for your particular shop. The functionality I have now is way better than I had originally conceived when designing my setup. This isn't the sort of thing you think about when you consider buying something, but I'm incredibly happy to have these guys as a resource for the system.

[@bentswoodworking]

They are fantastic!!

[@steinbierz]

I have come back multiple times to watch this video…before and after buying into the GRIT system. I learn something new every time I watch it! Great video…thanks!

[@johnpolen4090]

Jason, you are one of the best online instructors I have watched. You are easy to listen to, and you come across sincere. Your explanations are complete and provide clarity. This video on Grit covers a lot of concerns we all have. I most always think my dust collection protocol is lacking and this video is a heads up to what we can do to protect ourselves and others. I enjoyed meeting you at Cerritos College in California. Good luck to you and your family in the future. J Polen, Palos Verdes, CA

[@bentswoodworking]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that 👊🏼👊🏼

[@anynamey]

I am not an overly big fan of automation, IoT and electronics being integrated into every facet of life but this, this is freaking awesome!!!!! Mr. Bent, thank you for sharing this and GRIT, thank you for developing what appears to be a magnificent system

[@bentswoodworking]

I felt the same way!

[@RWingoS7]

Same here, I don't like alot of IoT things because each device wants to talk to the Internet, and I'm not about that. But with this, it has the controller in your household so it's much more manageable. When I move to a bigger place after I get married, and have a better dedicated shop space, I'm 100% doing this. The safety aspect is huge, too.

[@larslindthomsen7370]

Hello 😁. Just want to let you know that NORDFAB also has a system that opens automatically when you start the machines. Just a greeting to my friendly colleagues here from Denmark as well. Sincerely, Lars from Denmark 🇺🇸🇩🇰

[@bones549]

Thanks for this. I'm looking to replace my grngate that went out of business due to covid, and upgrading to a 5hp DC that this does not support. It use cat5 ethernet that leveraged poe. Awesome system. Would still use. similar sized was 750 all in. I was excited when i saw this, but when configuring my big tools it quickly was obvious way too much / drop. Just cant do it. safety all nice but i don't need that. I'm looking at an adrino system integrated with home asisstant.

[@Amerzel]

A bit out of my price range for the functionality my shop currently has but this technology is awesome. Looking forward to seeing it evolve and hopefully adopt it some day.

[@JeffWiswell]

Just finishing my shop expansion and moving everything back in. I think I'm going to have to switch to this system from the iVac one I was planning. Great info!!

[@bentswoodworking]

Go for it!

[@Mitermikeswoodshop]

Very cool. I am definitely going to be getting this as my daughter wants to be in the shop with me.

[@bentswoodworking]

Go for it!

[@pazmaniaoh6341]

Well I hope they have been built n their stock up. Nice presentation.

[@BKMakes]

Oooh, that particulate sensor/automation is freaking cool!

[@jasonpaulwhiting]

This is a game changer. I did a bunch of woodworking in college and in high school. Now as a father of four I want to build out my own shop, but due to safety concerns, I have been hesitant. I did all the electrical on my house, and I was kicking myself for not wiring it with a kill switch for all garage outlets. However, this totally solve my problem and does so much more!

[@bentswoodworking]

It’s an awesome system

[@T_Jonesy]

That's insanely cool.

[@PoliteChihuahua]

epic mic drop at the end, bravo.

[@bentswoodworking]

Lol thanks!

[@SteelBladeWoodworks]

What an amazing system. The safety feature to lockout power to equipment is genius. Thanks for sharing this video Jason!!!

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you liked it!

[@jimrosson6702]

Great system with great safety features thanks for sharing

[@bentswoodworking]

You bet

[@rodpotts2666]

Good stuff. woodworking moving into the future.

[@jasonbrown681]

Ben, as always, your videos are so informational and I thank you for them. Also we are coming up on the most important holiday we thank God for. I want to say THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE! Men and woman like yourself gave me and my family our freedoms and we will never take that for granted. Once again, keep up the great videos and have a good 4th of July. God bless

[@steinbierz]

Great video. A lot of my bigger pieces of machinery are three-phase that receive power through a Phase Perfect. I will have to research this to see how it operates three-phase equipment as well as supply single-phase to things like blast gates. I am fairly certain my solution would not be cheap but it is at least worth investigating.

[@scottgrossman6148]

The blast gates operate off 9V power driven by one Power Bank that needs 120V. You can string all the gates together daisy-chained using thermostat wire.

[@steinbierz]

@@scottgrossman6148 Thank you for the reply!

[@barrydoxseyuk]

My safety has been a radio, when power on, music. So I know when the young ones are around I can hear then and not the radio! Great, fantastic video. Ten digit gripping kids, 😊

[@anynomous2024]

Perfect for a business, but insanely expensive for a diy’er. It’s a very nice system. Thanks for sharing.

[@GyWO10]

Jason, thanks for sharing the awesome system! It’s great to know there are small businesses that solved a problem that they once faced. Hopefully one day I can own one of these systems as well. Take care!! 👊🏽

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad to help!

[@todds4101]

That's really cool! Know nothing about it, but now I do. I'll have to do some research and tell the guys at our local Woodcraft.

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@stevenkingma9228]

Built something similar with an Arduino, some steppers, and a solid-state relay.

[@TheTranq]

Looks like a fantastic system, thanks for sharing

[@bentswoodworking]

You bet

[@mukfu]

Well, I bought the Harvey dust collector bc of you. I also have the Hammer planer/jointer combo and am looking to replace my sawstop with either a Hammer K3 or B3 combo. Looks like you got a Hammer. Would love any thoughts of why that machine if its not a Hammer, but assuming it is a Hammer why not the B3 shaper/saw combo versus the just the saw?

[@milesreidy7864]

This is a great product idea - easpecially the safety aspect - will definitely take a look

[@allent555]

Ok so that ticked all the boxes!!!! Need to consider the air scrubber controller with my custom system build! Thanks

[@bentswoodworking]

Glad you found it helpful

[@troyqueen9503]

Congratulations on your new saw ,love mine .

[@bentswoodworking]

Thanks 👍

[@tonymarrazzo354]

I realize this is expensive and not in everyones wheelhouse, but just finishing a large cedar project my lungs were absolutely horrible afterwards. This system would have significantly reduced my exposure to the dust and hence my lung problems. I will be making this my next shop investment.

[@assarhadon]

The enthusiasm is visible. You really are an ambassador for them not because you got sponsored, but because you believe this is a great thing that should be around more.

[@missingegg]

Oh, I'll bet he's sponsored. Grit has probably just given him all the equipment in return for the exposure Bent can provide.

[@assarhadon]

@@missingegg sure he is. But he delivers the ad with true enthusiasm, not just "mandatory" pretended one.

[@bentswoodworking]

I’m glad that it came through in the video. I’ve never been more excited about a product

[@chimairanl9043]

What a nice setup. And like you said...when safety depends on extra steps...after a while people will not take those steps because they are lazy or forget. And Murphys law will say just that one time you forgot an accident will happen.

[@dimitrimitropoulos]

it's pretty wild how much better this is than the iVac system. I wish this was around before going all in on iVac because to be honest it's not as great as I had hoped. this is better in so many ways

[@bentswoodworking]

The amount of outlets needed always turned me off to ivac

[@gritautomation]

We have had a lot of people reach out and ask if GRIT could work with the iVac gates. And we just developed a new gate controller that plugs into the existing iVac gates! Keep your gates and add GRIT triggers and dust collection automation!

[@mrgcav]

Excellent video. I really like the gate actuators, how sturdy are they ? Problem is that it very expensive. Not for the DIYer. The 4" gate actuators alone are $100.00 each. A fully working system for just three machines is around $5000.00, assuming you have a working dust collection system already.

[@DuncanEdwards.]

Great idea

[@AlexK07010]

how well does it work with powermatic fan? specifically its remote control and timer features? I have same fan and when you restore power to it, its in powered off state so remote has be used to turn it on. then you set the speed and timer. How does that work with grit system?

[@bentswoodworking]

It works great. I don’t need any timer now cause it activates automatically

[@AlexK07010]

Another question on powermatic integration. If you turn the powermatic fan on manually and then grit automation sensor triggers it to run, does it turn off first?

[@robertgiltner2144]

Any chance we could get a promo code?! Asking for a poor hobbyist...

[@bentswoodworking]

I don’t have one yet.

[@razorwired130]

It's VERY unfortunate that the triggers do no support 9 Volt output to run the blast gates. The triggers do include 6V output which is not very useful. The 9V 20A low voltage power banks on Grit's site are $75, no big deal, but I'm NOT going to daisy-chain 9v wire all over my shop. So, I'll need to add a 9V power supply ($75) to each gate on top of the trigger ($150) and gate control ($150). This also requires the use of ANOTHER 120V receptacle for every gate.

[@silverbackag9790]

How about more details on hooking this up to the Harvey?

[@aaaasddddddddddddfff]

Cool system. Im installing the ivac sysyen now, so im curious how it compares to that. How does the powermatic fan turn on with the air quality power meter? I have the same fan but it doesnt turn on when i lose power or i put it on a remote switch. Did you have to bypass the magnetic switch or rewire it?

[@bentswoodworking]

I just plugged it in and had the main hub learn the remote and it was good to go. Very simple

[@dusbus2384]

You guys have blast gates? I have one hose i move around from tool to tool

[@markgambrill]

Before you showed the auto open/close for each tool I thought "you could link it up to home assistant and use smart plugs to control individual gates." The you go showing that working out of the box!!

[@bentswoodworking]

It’s incredible

[@DAS-Machina]

What brand and model is the air scrubber you have in your shop?

[@bentswoodworking]

Powermatic

[@janodjano5828]

Well above my pay grade/skill set. For now 👍 Enjoy what you do.

[@terryjohnson3100]

Awesome.

[@bentswoodworking]

Definitely

[@jamesdk5417]

Hi, I may of missed it, but if I may, is this an internet of things devise or does it run locally? If it is an IOT system I would never invest into something that can be arbitrarily be disabled by the company maliciously or if they go out of business. Too many IOT systems have become E-waste for my had earned cash, even google has abandoned devices in the past that are now worthless.

[@gritautomation]

Hi James, thanks for the comment. No internet required, no iOS app, no Android app, the system creates its own WiFi network that a mobile device or computer can connect to. The app is a PWA (progressive web app), it looks like a native app but is really just a responsive web application that resides on the hub. Software updates would be the one caveat, they require the hub to be connected to the internet. This is very important because as you said, things happen and if you as a customer are left a product that does not work, that's bad. Insteon is a great example of this. I spent $5K and replaced every switch in my house. Last year they shutdown all servers and people were left high and dry. GRIT does not send or pull any data from the hub. Everything is local. Certain features that home shops most likely don't need would require an internet connection, but these are subscription based and that revenue pays to keep the servers running.

[@espressomatic]

Local mesh according to mfr site. Main hub will need to connect to your WiFi AP/router to use the app/setup, but I didn't notice anything that mentioned remote/server connections.

[@gritautomation]

@@espressomatic The hub has 3 ways of connecting to it. Initially you would connect to a Wi-Fi network it creates or plug it into your local switch via ethernet. And correct, it does not talk to any cloud server for any functionality. To access your system remotely we have installed a WireGuard client. This allows for remote access that is secure and does not rely on any middle cloud server for routing. It really is fully autonomous.

[@jamesdk5417]

@@gritautomation thanks so much.

[@jamesdk5417]

@@espressomatic thanks.

[@reginabailey9521]

This would have been a game changer for Lash and me while attempting to install our floors. The dust from the saw set off my asthma so severely that we hired a person to finish the project.

[@bentswoodworking]

That doesn’t sound enjoyable 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@espressomatic]

Looks cool, servos and (likely) esp32. The only drawback to me is the use of those janky metal blast gates - they're not ideal. Still watching the video, let's see how much this costs, as I'm already in process of designing my own similar system to tie into Home Assistant (no need to develop my own software this way since it's only for my use anyway).

[@gritautomation]

Thanks for the comment, under the hood, some of our devices us the ESP32 and some use the ESP8266. Our mesh network of devices allows for 150 devices connected to a single hub.

[@espressomatic]

@@gritautomation Pricing looks decent per piece, hopefully you get your email quote feature working soon. I have a bit of a unique situation with my dust collector as I'm using a 3-motor Camvac and setting it up with 3 contactors to remotely control and run each motor individually - my plan was to script Home Assistant to round-robin the 1 and 2 motor modes allowing non-running motors a cool-down period (currently using Zigbee to control the contactors). Might reach out to discuss the ability to trigger 3 contactors with your system.

[@design8studio]

Nice!

[@qwk351]

Nice system, priced it out for my shop and 5 grand is a lot of money. It's a nice system but out of my price range. As for me the shop door is always electronicly locked and kids do not know the code. They also know they do not enter without an adult. Just throw the master breaker when I'm gone away for extended time.

[@X555]

Side question: How is that Powermatic compared to a traditional squirrel cage / radial fan unit (e.g., JET AFS-1000C)? Looking at it since it's discounted now, but there isn't much info on YT.

[@Meyerwoodworks]

I absolutely love mine. I run is 24/7 on medium, it's super quiet and no messing with filters. I had a Jay-Bates style filter cart previously, the PM is simply WAY better at everything and well worth the price IMO.

[@tmasopust]

Wow, have you priced this stuff out? I’ve automated my dust collection for significantly less. Not trying to troll, I just think the system is way outside the range of the average home shop.

[@espressomatic]

You should market what you've created. Help everyone else save a ton of money and make a ton for yourself.

[@robbrown6667]

Very Expensive system

[@brianhmonks]

May I ask how much you paid for the system in your shop?

[@bentswoodworking]

My system was provided to me but the cost on everything that I added was $1695

[@brianhmonks]

A lot of technology for the money.

[@halsti99]

finally an american woodworking youtuber that joins the sliding table saw club! :D

[@bentswoodworking]

Finally!! Lol

[@WiredSpace]

“The more expensive something is to do, the less likely it is that you’re going to do it.”

[@GoblinSpanker]

Thanks for this thorough run through of the system. Now I just need to cancel my Off The Cut Patreon subscription so I can afford this. 🤪

[@bentswoodworking]

Please do! 🤣

[@garrydye2394]

I've realized your entire channel is one large info commercial for products. Its not even woodworking...its just about woodworking products to buy. Nothing wrong with that...but that is what it has become. I like new products so I enjoy the channel.

[@bentswoodworking]

5 of my last 10 videos were how to or instructional videos. The other 5 were tool/product videos.

[@modellbauer7916]

Just tell us the costs

[@handyByLeVere]

Niceeee

[@missingegg]

This video would be improved by saying what all this equipment would have cost to acquire if it had been paid for. A quick glance at their website leads me to believe that their "starting at $500" line is pretty optimistic, and the setup shown here is a couple thousand dollars.

[@SandWoodWithMe]

Want. Want so bad.

[@Looyenss]

Waiting for the bandsaw vid 😂

[@bentswoodworking]

This week probably

[@espressomatic]

I see a lot of people criticizing the product, the design and the pricing. Let me ask... Do you always flush when you use the toilet? Something tells me you don't. SMH.

[@philippboetcher9959]

It's about tracking your employees every move in the end, no surprise here...

[@olestampevestergaard4746]

There is more money in dust tech than I have in totalt in my shop

[@doug.ritson]

For $2,500 - $3,000 I'll take those burdensome steps of manually turning on the dust collector and opening/closing the blast gates.

[@UK4TRUMPERS]

It's like me wanting a rolls Royce but have to settle with a skoda

[@RobSHoglund]

Good stuff. What would really be cool is if the blast gate would open automagically when you turn on the tool.

[@scottgrossman6148]

You can program that to happen. You associate a trigger to a blast gate, and both of them to a dust collector. Turn on the tool, gate opens and vacuum starts pulling dust.

[@oreoninja918]

I'm guessing you didnt watch the video... that is the whole point of the system. You turn on a tool it closes the previously opened gate and opens the gate to the tool you are using.

[@JonEHolland]

My shop is automated using the ivac system and I’ve been so frustrated with all the individual wall warts I’ve had to use for everything. This is way better, and the design of the gates is also way better. Ivac should be concerned.

[@SamWanamaker1]

Ivac is not concerned. Check the pricing on this. Went to spec it out and it’s a crazy investment. Very cool system, don’t get me wrong, but not going to become a standard.

[@JonEHolland]

@@SamWanamaker1 pricing is the same. My ivac setup was over $1500. I was extremely disappointed with the quality for the money. This looks so much better. Maybe I’ll switch as the ivac gates fail.

[@JonEHolland]

@@SamWanamaker1 I need 4 gates, 4 inline switches, and one collector switch. That’s $750 for the switches and $400 for the gates. $1150. I don’t need the hub thing. Did you actually look at the pricing?

[@JonEHolland]

@@SamWanamaker1 I saw you deleted your comment about the hub. I wrote up a reply anyways so I’ll post it. The hub isn’t included when you build the system using the system builder unless you ask for it. This might be a mistake, or it might be optional and not needed if you don’t want app integration etc. However, for the sake of argument let’s say you do. It’s $200, so the total is still less than what I paid for ivac.

[@JonEHolland]

@@SamWanamaker1 people are just really bad at being wrong.

[@davekennedy3985]

So over 2 grand for a whole system so you can be lazy? You can get an Arduino and do this for a fraction of the cost.

[@JonEHolland]

Let’s see your KZbin video then.

[@espressomatic]

You get ESP and do it for a fraction of the cost in parts and 10x the cost in time, labor and experience. Which is what they've done already, plus developed an app (which would cost you $100-$500k to pay someone to do). Now they're selling what they've done so other people don't have to reinvent the wheel. Each piece comes in pretty reasonably for what it is. Not sure why people have a problem with other people making and selling things. You can probably also build your own table saw. Is it worth the time?

[@davekennedy3985]

@@espressomatic it’s way overpriced for what it is. It’s a couple relays, a couple solenoids and a controller. The software is overkill, and the “kill switch” is just a breaker.

[@davekennedy3985]

@@JonEHolland there are already KZbin videos of people doing it.

[@tundrawhisperer4821]

I’ll pass, and keep my GreenGate system. Much more professionally thought out and less parts. Thx

[@ricipipkin1715]

P r o m o S M 💥