The Biggest Cheater in CrossFit FOLLOW UP

[@katefoster9743]

I believe you have stated your goal was the Road to 100K subscribers in the past. Dude - if you can’t even say your sorry or apologise re the two thumbnails on these clips, you are never going to make it there. So lost credibility with this. Patting yourself on the back for all your good work, how about you take down the thumbnail of the last vid.

[@hillerfit]

This thumbnail + title has the highest engagement in the history of my channel Kate. I would rather 20,000 people here my words than read my caption.

[@katefoster9743]

@@hillerfit even if it means the wording is incorrect about an athlete? Tearing down CrossFit is one thing, saying something untrue about a person is another.

[@jsthetip]

What in the actual fuck does Hiller have to be sorry for? Thank god Hiller said something otherwise Sasha may have never know what her mistake was. If anything Sasha and her camp should be thanking Hiller. “Clickbait” is meant to get views and those views is what got this issue fix.

[@katefoster9743]

@@hillerfit don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story now. Truth and justice…of that’s right, they apply to Superman, not Batman.

[@jethrocardona9063]

Yup

[@hillerfit]

Sasha : What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets? Nic : No, Sasha. I'm trying to tell you that if you take responsibility you won't have to.

[@donwod6660]

He's begining to believe...

[@hillerfit]

@@donwod6660 Houston, we have made contact

[@willianguillen]

Everything is clarified, now, according to the parameters for the videos, there must be a clearly visible stopwatch throughout the workout. Your timer stopped at 14 minutes, is the video valid or not?

[@alan181090]

@@willianguillen no, but theyre PRVN so in words of Nic , Crossfit would use their own timer when they review the video

[@chickytendy5513]

Hiller holding himself to the same standard that he holds everyone else to is what makes him the best content creator.

[@hillerfit]

Always have to keep the one common goal in place!

[@StuckInActive]

No he didn’t. He didn’t apologize for literally slandering and defaming her. He didn’t say that the only video he should have made on the subject was THIS video, not the one where he called her the biggest cheater in Crossfit history. The personal accountability meter for this video is 0.

[@EduardoA-P]

@@StuckInActive Hahah

[@juliabrandon2548]

I love Hiller's "clickbait" he used my daughter as clickbait once, and once I quit fuming, I laughed my ass off. He was super gracious to me about it too. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[@hillerfit]

@@juliabrandon2548 Julia is an OG here 🤙

[@StuckInActive]

Bud, you called her the biggest cheater in Crossfit history and never apologized for labeling her with that. Where’s your accountability?

[@A1FAHx]

Cry more you npc

[@TG3Podcast]

He made an entire video about how she's not a cheater. What more do you want?

[@StuckInActive]

@@TG3Podcast So he doesn’t need to apologize for the slander or tell people how he’s going to do better - like Nic did about PRVN and Sasha - so that slander videos don’t make it out in the first place? He didn’t take responsibility for any of what he said or the heat that was dumped on PRVN/Sasha because of it. This is the problem of the Batman myth. It’s all glamorous when he’s only punching bad guys. But here he’s landing punches on someone that doesn’t deserve it. Rather than apologizing for the assault, he’s just explaining the so-called crime wasn’t actually a crime. Which is what he should have done in the first place instead of punching.

[@r-mac1240]

@@StuckInActive come on guy, if you want to be an athlete, and have a coach group, at the highest level of this “sport” you need to do things like research videos after you’ve completed a workout to find errors like this. Sure mistakes happen, but when your training/coaching group is at the level it is at, mistakes like this shouldn’t happen.

[@challyrt2010]

The man literally did 500 burpees because he was proven wrong once before and you're saying he has no accountability lol and did a video with Phil toon after making a PED vid on him

[@jasonreiff3937]

Great work calling out suspicious evidence, great work explaining why it was suspicious, and great work in correcting and clarifying the truth of the record. All in all great work.

[@saxophonescott94]

This makes sense. The gopro limitation is likely a FAT32 vs ExFAT formatting option limitation for the SD card. The max file size in FAT32 formatting is 4GB.

[@hillerfit]

Yes this is correct!

[@coleby77]

great that you got this explanation up so fast. love that you keep yourself accountable as well as everyone else.

[@hillerfit]

"That's what I can do" - Dark Knight

[@StuckInActive]

Really? I missed the part where he apologizes for slandering her and that he needs to do more investigation before labeling someone the biggest cheater in Crossfit history. What’s the time stamp for that mea culpa?

[@larrysupersport]

I love how you will call stuff out, but then you will go back and give kudos when people own it. Good Job AH!

[@hillerfit]

Opperating on a positive feedback loop and everyone wins

[@MikeHalpin]

Wasn’t ready for the SD card measuring contest. 256GBs damn Hiller! 🤣

[@hillerfit]

I compensate

[@Changethisname]

"Card size doesn't matter" I feel a lot better as a guy with a small card.

[@mello021]

I'm glad she is walking away from this stronger than before.

[@seanm3933]

Ahh so there were 2 cameras from that angle. I was wondering why when I watched the video from the leaderboard after your stream there was no editing and there also was no clock, except for the app clock that stopped at 14:00.

[@chadhamel8707]

NGL, kinda figured it was something of that nature. The ONLY thing that moved on the sync up was the dude in the back. She didn’t shift, the lighting was identical, even the camera placement was so perfect that there was no way it was a re attempt to get a better score and splice it in. I feel like reaching out to her and her team first would be a better move than making a video… but I get it- content is content lol

[@Lizzies_garage_of_gainz]

Well definitely a great outcome …. but keep doing what you do Andrew.

[@jake-watkins]

People don't realize how much work goes in to producing videos so they don't necessarily think ahead to cover all of these details. Does CrossFit provide a production guide for submitting a games video? If not, perhaps they should. Even a simple checklist would help.

[@FitnessSheriff]

Old SD card file formats were FAT32 that had a 4GB file size limit - set back in Windows95 (they didn't think files would go over 4GB!) (both PC and MAC can read them). New format is exFAT that has unlimited clip allotments but 4GB has hung around in case computer hard drives are still FAT32 systems.

[@hillerfit]

Yes this is correct!

[@babisandes]

Is the T-shirt from new collection?

[@hillerfit]

YES

[@MrJekkoh]

What camera are you using to film this video?

[@hillerfit]

Sony A74

[@MrJekkoh]

@@hillerfit cheers! Looks fantastic

[@bmak114]

I knew there was something suspicious about this. Sasha had no reason to pull any funny business for this workout. She can qualify for quarterfinals in her sleep. Its unfortunate that she got dragged through the mud, but I think this is a good thing cause it brings attention to something that the other athletes can be aware of now.

[@michaelhalstead64]

good follow up. I was impressed with PRVN yesterday. Hey.... maybe a video on the leaderboard after 23.2. that thing is a shit show. People winning 23.2b and placing 80,000th in first part or overall. Opposite for 23.2a. Rich sitting at like 101st place. Is it a test of "fitness"?

[@Craig_Alexander]

As someone who was roasted by hiller but then when I confront his criticism he just is like “good ok we are cool”. That attitude is what I love about you bro keep it up

[@hillerfit]

Just have to keep it real! Good to see you around Craig

[@natewilliams1932]

• “If submitting a video,afterfinishingthefinallift, remove and film all plates used on the bar to verify the load.”From the instructions at the bottom of the scorecard about the thruster

[@michaelptm2269]

From what I understood from the barbell spin podcast is that you saved Sasha Nievas season because the video made them review her video and they could change it in time. 👏

[@hillerfit]

Thank you for seeing it this way!

[@arturbcabral]

What about the fact she went out of frame during her lifting portion? It was in frame for the go pro, but out of frame for the WODProof video that is currently her new submission. That would make the video invalid.

[@ttzofutah]

And the fact that you always do a follow up on the truth says a lot as well my man! 🤘💪

[@hillerfit]

For better or worse!

[@erica9563]

Zac Telender mentions you in his 23.2 video....proof you are making people pay attention and do better ...great video as always

[@jamesdimarzio3181]

Great work Hiller 👏 👍 👌 💪

[@santiagotello415]

THAT MUST HAVE HURT IN THE EGO HAHAHAHHAHA

[@Menopause_and_Metcons]

Absolutely fascinating! Technology makes life so much simpler in the MOST complicated manner. Happy to see just how quickly you followed-up on your live discussion. You are looking more and more like an investigative journalist

[@KeithGreenshields]

Glad to see you clear this up, I knew you would because I have been watching all your vids for the past year.

[@hillerfit]

I've seen you around! Thanks for being here homie

[@KeithGreenshields]

@@hillerfit It is the eye brows bro!

[@mattpeters6224]

The hips fully extend but not long enough to show control in my view. Hard to tell if she has knee lockout after hip extension. I think this is still a questionable rep.

[@bodycvc]

i agree

[@danibearhugs]

She still hits another lift after that is heavier and under more control. So even not fully controlling this lift the next one would be the score you're looking to prove is good.

[@mattpeters6224]

@@danibearhugs Yep, but the judge counted it as a good rep. What else did he miss?

[@danibearhugs]

@@mattpeters6224 watch her entire video and tell us if you feel that he gave her bro reps. She posted her whole work out and all the lifts for video review.

[@Dadplod]

Hey man. How about you make a workout video where you deliberately cut two separate videos together and see if we, the KZbin followers can spot the splice? #spotthesplice

[@hillerfit]

This seems like an epic idea

[@Patrikcth]

I've recorded both 23.1 and 23.2 2 times on a GP10 and checked all 4 videos (as I know mine splits them). There is no way I can see it with my video studio

[@jethrocardona9063]

They are actual lucky you made this a big deal. Even Nic said it, the original video would have been invalid. Good job!

[@hillerfit]

When you know you know!

[@ritchiewhite5278]

I have been waiting for this one 🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇

[@kwpullin]

Unless it's too late, I'd say don't buy a Go Pro, they're severely overrated - check out the handheld alternatives that DJI offers (the company that got big from drones), the DJI Action 3 is pretty dope

[@hillerfit]

I habve only heard good things from them as well

[@coachclay3319]

I really think you screwed the pooch Hiller. Got her canceled. Didn’t she have to take down her IG account? You threw the mob on her without even thinking logically though what you were seeing and what the motivation (or lack thereof) was for your jumping the gun. Do your due diligence, make similar video that makes people aware but doesn’t F$@& somebody up for something she didn’t do.

[@hillerfit]

She never took down her IG.

[@Therealkevin87]

Good follow up video. It did seem so odd that a games athlete would edit and upload a video of a jerk instead of a thurster. Its also refreshing that they took full accountability and that you highlight that. Way to go Hiller!

[@hillerfit]

Situations like these improve the whole ecosystem IMO

[@Slater417]

Respect for PRVN

[@DMS1010]

Hiller the pull-ups were still pathetic for a games caliber athlete. Also perhaps consider getting Johnson/Johnston correct. That part is for you.

[@hillerfit]

I may be talking a bit quick. In my head I was saying it with a T lol

[@robc5020]

Two take aways, Walking is preferred to place better in the open and once a cheater always a cheater. If Sasha is willing to cheat to get to quarter finals... I'm totally available :)

[@schizzgraffix]

I think recording in 1080p would have resolved that issue, file size would have been around 1.5 - 2gbs

[@pixielale-klasicki3679]

Hiller pulling some Sherlock level work on Sacha's camera arsenal

[@johngeorge9423]

Speaking of hippencheat. Where is his video for 195# thruster?? Thus coming from a guy who can’t lock out a 75# barbell for oh lunges???? No fucking way!! No way can he lock out a 195# thruster!!!!

[@hillerfit]

Damn greta point

[@PapaPhrank]

Bachmeyer was the ultimate splicer

[@aweston111]

Am I the only one who doesn't think her 'good' thruster is a no rep? Sure, there's no double dip, but that bar ain't over her head, head over hips, hips over feet. She's leaning forward, the bar at no point is controlled overhead. She's leaning forward at the top. She ain't getting three white lights from me before dropping it.

[@michaelptm2269]

Did you see Zach Telander’s latest video? He called out your name like 3 times on his 23.2 video.

[@Reeper212]

While I agree with you that I don't necessarily agree that there is foul play here or that she redid the lift and edited that in, I will slightly disagree with you on there being no punishment for not having a running clock. The 2023 CrossFit Games Rulebook states that "Reasons for modifications of a score include but are not limited to: Failure to follow the video submission guidelines..." If we look at the Video Submission Standards for 23.2 it says that "a clock or timer MUST be visible throughout the test." Now you could argue that it is visible it's just at 14:00 for the entirety of 23.2 B but I think we know the intent of the standard. It also states that videos must not be cut or edited which the other video is. The Rulebook also states that "Prior to submitting a video, athletes should review the video to ensure their reps meet the required standards; the camera angle, distance, and lighting permit the judge to determine whether the movement standards are being met; and there are no technical problems with the video itself." Clearly she did not do that. Or she did and still attempted to submit the video and now videos that don't meet the standards. Sasha has big problem here. And while I agree with you that I appreciate the attempt at taking responsibility here I don't feel that they really did. What they did was contact CrossFit and say "hey we've got this problem (that honestly we should have caught) can you do us a solid and fix it for us." That is not taking responsibility. Taking responsibility is saying "I messed up. Now I have to suffer the consequences of messing up. And I'll learn my lesson for next time." Just my two cents. Appreciate everything you do Hiller.

[@lawrenceforsley3411]

The world is right again. Thank you for the clarification.🙏👍

[@JakeChapman85]

Sorry. Hugh Jackman?? ARE you joking?!

[@hillerfit]

Obviously you have never seen him on Broadway

[@JakeChapman85]

@@hillerfit obviously you’ve never seen ‘Predator’. Arnie is the best actor in Hollywood history, and ‘Predator’ is the best film of all time. Change my mind.

[@hillerfit]

@@JakeChapman85 Oh I have seen it. But you must have not seen the Prestige

[@grumpydad4729]

And no apology for calling her the the biggest CrossFit cheat ever. Unfollow 🤫

[@hillerfit]

I made a follow up video just for you.

[@MrYbeaudoin]

@@hillerfit But no apology, just reasons why and avoiding accountability.

[@bobfystro4935]

Trevor Bachmeyer has left the chat

[@martinloftus6625]

Good work, Andy! Glad I subscribed.

[@hillerfit]

I'm glad you're here!

[@ericabenson6965]

Most people in this comment section need new knee pads after this mishap.

[@hillerfit]

I'm not sure I follow

[@ericabenson6965]

@@hillerfitbecause they spending a lot of time on them knees. IMO(not that it matters much) but I do agree that you messed this up in a big way and were quick to judge the situation. It shouldn’t however, takeaway from all the good stuff you’ve done. I don’t care about the apology as much as I do that you kept the same thumbnail. I think it was missed opportunity to further “right” the situation that happened but you made your decision and not backing down is respectable so oh well. Time to move on.

[@sethwood1676]

I think you should check out zack telanders 23.2 attempt on his channel its a bit edited but, he does mention you and I think you'll find it funny lol.

[@hillerfit]

On it!

[@joanaduarte2917]

🙌🙌🙌

[@jonathanfrancisco6910]

This is such a clusterfuck

[@jpjr0322]

Shes out of frame in the wod proof, its invalid on that alone

[@Bossman_aus]

You Mr Hiller are the “worst researcher in CrossFit” the same as Marcus Filly, you do whole videos with your “research” put it up for everyone to see and people make there opinions and she gets bashed via the internet. With all you research did you ask Sasha what the glitch was? Same with Marcus you never spoke to him first. Clearly you don’t learn but good for you with all the clicks on your video you got tearing down people’s character just like you did with Lucy Davis.

[@hillerfit]

Woah there. Someone is a lucy fan. As for the rest, you’re too angry to listen. Boss man.

[@Bossman_aus]

@@hillerfit never watched any of Lucy’s videos. I just think you are wrong to rip into someone without all the information. I think your “journalism” is sloppy and lazy. Be better Andrew

[@andreamorim7749]

Backpedaling, if it’s edited then it should not be validated

[@Pooki2024]

They are all on steroids, some get caught and some don’t

[@mediamayhemmoments]

Was this an apology? Couldn't tell...

[@hillerfit]

No.

[@mediamayhemmoments]

@@hillerfit Good

[@CapableConnie]

I think Hiller called it the way he saw it. I wouldn't say he slandered her, because the camp admits the video was technically edited... That's all he was saying in the original video. Now, he made a follow-up so that we could know the full story. If he had lied or made up the story, I would see that an apology may be needed, but he simply stated the facts, the video was clearly edited and that is against the rules. Glad she got a chance to fix the video. I like her and think she is an amazing athlete.

[@apok6615]

easy fix, BRING BACK REGIONALS 😂!!!

[@daveborders7312]

I am a big fan…kind of weird you make a big deal praising their accountability but don’t discuss your process and how you could have done better…you lean into click bait and I get the strategy but there can be collateral damage. Maybe next time put a question mark after the unproven claim?

[@hillerfit]

It draws attention. I explain the situation from there. The story has concluded and if you followed along then everyone is for the better. I made this video to do better myself

[@javiiiirivera]

If someone is waiting for an apology, they probably need to take out their heads from their butts. I don’t think I am the only one that understands Hillers videos address the issues with CrossFit HQ, poor judging and Lack of follow up on the submission videos. God! Anyway Sasha shouldn’t upload videos with “invalid reps”, why? She is an elite athlete, they should be the first following the rules and doing the things THE RIGHT WAY. Facts, crossfit is charging a lot of money from more than 300,000 people that joined the open, the least they Can is review the videos right away and avoid this to happen, not making a personal argument with Andrew Hiller 😅😅

[@hillerfit]

Javi you have nailed it

[@joeypotter4320]

Crossfit is charging alot of money???? Isn't it just $25 for the open?

[@javiiiirivera]

@@joeypotter4320 reason comprehension. read the following “cf is charging to more than 300,000 individuals WHO are the ones signed for this 2023 cf open” you are welcome

[@joeypotter4320]

@@javiiiirivera I get you now. You mean CF is bringing in or making alot of money from the 300000 people signed up for the open. That is true the ability to review the submissions should be there possibly.

[@thebarbellspin]

Well done

[@hillerfit]

Right back attcha

[@efrainmedina4593]

Hiller good job 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@PaytonGuthrie]

So the lesson is....speaking loudly without full context is an issue.

[@hillerfit]

Well not really.

[@PaytonGuthrie]

@@hillerfit I do appreciate (not that my opinion counts for much) the retraction. But it is still an issue (even in large scale media) of reporting without verifying.

[@StuckInActive]

Exactly. Seeing so many comments simping for Hiller’s vigilante journalism after he was clearly wrong about calling her a cheater is really sad.

[@hillerfit]

@@StuckInActive I can’t take anyone who uses the word simp seriously

[@StuckInActive]

@@hillerfit I take your note. I guess I could have used “lickspittle”? Though not really current for the generation that can’t go 30 seconds without cutting to an overused Ozark or Rock clip.

[@MrYbeaudoin]

You title you Follow-up video again THE BIGGEST CHEATER IN CROSSFIT why not tittle it ANDREW HILLER TOTALLY WRONG? How about saying I am sorry?!?!? What about YOUR accountability? No apologizing about YOU jumping to conclusion and clic bathing with no remorse about dragging Sasha names through the mud. I know you are happy about me commenting and that your business model is clic at all cost, but you are starting to loose my respect here.

[@besteverskin]

Compare it to articles. Has anyone ever apologized to you for creating a new article once they had new information going against everything written previously? There’s nothing to be sorry for lol. Relax

[@MrYbeaudoin]

@@besteverskin I haven’t heard him directly apologizing once in the video, he speaks of accountability, but where is his? He explains why he was wrong, but never apologizes. Have you read the title of his video?!?!??! If he now knows that she is not a cheater, then why play with semantics and write again Biggest Cheater!!! Clics at all cost, who cares about a CrossFitters reputation who cares if this confuses people about Sasha, the important thing is the clics….. the important thing is that we argue like this in the comments for the KZbin Algorithmes. He lost my respect.

[@besteverskin]

And I’m sure you’re not the only one! Can’t make everyone happy!

[@hillerfit]

Because I’m not sorry

[@Bossman_aus]

@@hillerfit tomorrow there will be another video about something else and Sasha will just be in the past. But too some, still know as the biggest cheater in CrossFit.

[@vicjac40]

How is she the biggest cheater in CF history. Please. Let’s move on.

[@hillerfit]

Did you watch the video