The Bite Victim was NEVER the Puppet

[@tae7727]

Of course the bite victim isn’t the puppet, he’s Sans???

[@superlemonslicer1224]

What do you mean Sans?!?! All the signs point to him being Papyrus

[@realPurpleOrb]

Spring Bonnie is sans, as he can suspiciously be blue and yellow

[@dragoncat2346]

No he’s ness

[@Squishy_the_fox]

No! He's Gaster OBVIOUSLY!!!

[@Peach_C_Toadstool]

Hot take: I find it hard to believe that the crying child possesses anything at all. He died in a hospital, away from any animatronics to possess. Unless William snatched his body and stuffed him inside a suit the minute he died, how would the boy haunt anything?

[@siresquawks]

“Something something agony bit by Fredbear”

[@kingofflames738]

He probably died a while after as well, though we don't know. He could have been in hospital for days, weeks or even months. Given that Afton knows he can put him back together CC's actual death should logically be some time after Afton saw the puppet moving, thus knowing he can put him back together to begin with. His coma might have even been the ultimate last straw for William to go killing intentionally.

[@gaminganimators7000]

We don't 100% know he died in the hospital. It's possible CC was taken care in his home and Fredbear was stored in like a closet or something. There's no evidence but it's a possibility

[@burner555]

Hospital Equipment

[@retronoir289]

@@gaminganimators7000 There's a flatline at the end of the Night 6 ending, that's enough for me.

[@ender01o66]

My belief is that the retcon was that Spring Bonnie, as shown in FNaF 1's drawings, was originally blue, but it was retconned that he appears blue as he's in the shadows, while he's actually yellow, in FNaF 2. Why make him yellow? To differentiate him from Classic Bonnie, and to tie him to Fredbear. He also stands out more as a result. To pay homage to this, every time Spring Bonnie appears in the shadows in the Graphic Novels, he's blue. This would go heavily unnoticed, as many FNaF fans don't even believe the FNaF drawings contain any possible lore, so they're always overlooked. This retcon however, confused the community during FNaF 2's release, as we're told that a "yellow" suit was used, however, as Spring Bonnie was blue in FNaF 1, the only characters we had to go off of were Chica and Golden Freddy, only for FNaF 3 to show us that it was Spring Bonnie all along, Scott just changed his colour. I'm glad that his drawings are yellow in the Novel Trilogy and the movie.

[@Wizardjones69]

Wasnt the "yellow suit" from fnaf 2 be retconned to be fredbear suit? Because the springbonnie suit was in 1985 location at the safe room, that explain why the suit still there for 10 years until 1995 willian death

[@Raishuw25]

@@Wizardjones69 Phone Guy in 3 mentions that there are multiple suits.

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@Raishuw25fnaf 2 has literally a poster of a child saying " my day at the NEW freddy's fazbear pizza" with kids and a guy with a fredbear suit to

[@ender01o66]

@@Raishuw25 The two we know of being the FNaF 3 Spring Bonnie, and the FNaF 6 Spring Bonnie.

[@ender01o66]

@@Wizardjones69 No location opens in 1985, only 1973 and 1983.

[@mylam658]

I remember the stretch I would make before FNAF 6 to justify my own belief that CC was the Puppet was "oh well yeah he was bitten by fredbear but he didn't _die,_ no no no, he survived and was killed _later..."_ despite the flatline at the end of the game, and despite it being his dad that would kill him. I was funny. It was never canon, and it was never Scott's retcon. But I consider Puppet CC _my_ retcon, and I'm happy with that.

[@smashers6971]

Again it comes down how the crying child is as a character he isn’t proactive, he’s a literal crybaby, he doesn’t seem like the type to give gifts to others so they can take his revenge, even when he’s dead he’s still a crybaby for the most part.

[@gaminganimators7000]

Why can't the retcon just be Purple Guy becoming the owner? The original games strongly insinuated he was a guard or something but never the owner until the Charlie Trilogy and Sister Location came out

[@ItsSupercat94]

That's not a retcon, purple guy was still a guard when killing but just so happened to be the previous owner, that would be a retcon if the og owners were stated to be someone completely different.

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@ItsSupercat94I guess that makes sense. Guess I thought of Phone Guy mentioning the previous owners being hard to contact and didn't think much more about it, lol

[@Takejiro24]

​@@gaminganimators7000Didn't Phone Guy only mention *one* owner? Then, Silver Eyes claimed there were two.

[@ediblefredible]

@@Takejiro24not to pull a matpat here but tbf most people attribute chuck e. cheese to only one person when it was technically two so it's not unrealistic for them to only be thinking of henry, beings he actually built the attractions and is this engineer prodigy whereas allegedly william was more the business side which most people wouldn't rly pay attention to (and you could also assume he probably wouldn't want his face and name very prominently out there too with the whole...everything about him lmao)

[@booboothecool]

this could be it. in fnaf 2 phone guy heavily implies that the owners of fredbear’s are pretty heavily removed from the current fazbear entertainment, the way he says it also implies pg barely even knows anything about fredbear’s. but in fnaf 3 we clearly hear him talk about the springlock animatronics that existed at fredbear’s, and we know now henry and william continued being involved with fazbear entertainment after fredbear’s closed, hell its also shown that fredbear’s and freddy’s coexisted at one point too. so i think the retcon is most likely phone guy’s relation and knowledge of fredbear’s, along with henry and william being the owners

[@ender01o66]

6:30 I agree that the Fredbear Plush is possessed by RWQFSFASXC. With RWQFSFASXC also controlling Fredbear and Spring Bonnie, as shown by RWQFSFASXC taking the place of their literal shadows (which is what signifies RWQFSFASXC taking over someone in Fazbear Frights). We also know this as the Fredbear Plush speaker speakes to us in the restaurant, where there is no Fredbear Plushie, only the animatronics themselves. This also means, while controlling Fredbear, RWQFSFASXC intentionally caused the '83 bite, so, it was never an accident. As for what RWQFSFASXC is, the Dark Remnant of the simultaneous springlock failure victim (Purple Guy) As for their motivations, they're clearly generating tons of agony and fear from the Crying Child, and using it to feed off of. And once he's sucked dry, he's no longer of use, and is disposed of, same with the MCI before him. And it can't be William speaking through a walkie talkie, as William is currently busy putting a Bonnie suit on an employee during when the Fredbear Plush speaker is currently talking to Crying Child. As for what Plus Fredbear has in his hands, it looks more like a remote control for the Nightmare animatronics, which would make sense, as the plush is positioned next to the cameras in the FNaF 4 bedroom location.

[@HorrorHomestead]

I think the retcon is the Schmidts becoming the Aftons. It was perfectly solvable from FNAF 4 that foxybro was Mike Schmidt. So this change went unnoticed because people didn't really put that together until later. So it went from "they are the schmidts" to "mike used a fake name during fnaf 1"

[@siresquawks]

That’s more of a scottcon though arguably.

[@ender01o66]

The name William Afton wasn't around during FNaF 4, he could've easily just been referred to as William Schmidt.

[@justice8718]

Mike Schimidt is literally William Afton. Jeremy was Michael in fnaf2 and he didn't mess with the animatronics.

[@denialman2808]

@@justice8718How is Mike Schmidt William.

[@justice8718]

@@denialman2808 Have you seen the Security Logs. William the original owner of the book before Michael and put in "MIKE" on the front cover. Hence "my name".

[@Boigboi88]

There was a time that I believed that The Puppet moving on in Happiest Day then returning in 6 was the retcon until I realized 6 came after the Scott post. I do wonder if it was something benign being retconned like Fredbear's bowtie and hat changing colors for no real reason lol. Would be nice if Scott ever revealed at least which game the retcon happened in so people could figure out if it was important or not.

[@justice8718]

Springtrap was blue and now he's yellow. Big lore.

[@jetperson3billion439]

@@justice8718just speculation

[@amongstus4418]

I think I'm convinced the retcon was that the Puppet/Proto-Charlie was CC/Proto-Michael's younger sister like JoeDoughBoi said. It fits the 'no one noticed' criteria while also being a clear retcon of character relations that affects the story massively, and not just a minor change Scott would just wave off as not a 'real retcon' in his mind. It also explains why Fredbear Plush seemed to originally be the Puppet in FnaF 4/FnaF world but then in the game where the retcon happens (Elizabeth becoming the younger sister) that is changed so Fredbear Plush was ole' Willy

[@mylam658]

JoeDough is into fnaf lore? Never knew

[@myst1que_mach1ne]

I always believed that too. Joe's vid was honestly pretty solid.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

Sammy and Charlie being spooky twins becoming Golden Freddy and Puppet is my interpretation of FNaF 1-4 take it or leave it.

[@aleanddragonITA]

But then why would William have killed Charlie if she was his Daughter? For Elizabeth it was an Incident (Baby killed her without William's Orders)

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

@@aleanddragonITA The FNaF 4 house would have been Proto-Henry's.

[@maxwellattacks6645]

I personally think he is Shadow Freddy. He is Mike's looming Guilt

[@ender01o66]

I don't really see the Crying Child being the FNaF 2 Puppet working out, The FNaF 4 Crying Child and the Take Cake kid are shown to die in different ways in FNaF 4, the game Crying Child is formally introduced in- however, FNaF 4 is also where the Crying Child is first connected to, in FNaF 3's Mangle's Quest, the specifically monochrome puppet-like character with no leg stripes, a removable mask, black tears, and a wide chest that can fit a person, like a springlock animatronic, unlike the Marionette shown in FNaF 2. This is why I believe the Crying Child goes on to be Nightmarionne instead, aka, the Shadow (Puppet(/Freddy, BB, Tree, Princess, etc...)). And Charlotte being revealed to be the Marionette later on wouldn't affect this plot point at all, so it wouldn't be "retconned out"... This would mean the Crying Child is still currently Nightmarionne, which is interesting due to his presence in the Mega Pizzaplex, including how he has plushies of himself set up around the building for surveillance, learning from the tricks used on himself by other as a child. There's also Nightmarionne's line referring to themselves as the reflection of Charlotte, which is interesting, both because the Bite of '83 is a mirrored Happiest Day, with Crying Child being a direct reflection of Charlotte, and in the novel trilogy, Charlie refers to her twin as a mirror... 👀 Y'know, FNaF's devorce and custody case is really confusing at times, you can never be sure which child originally came from what parent- Anyway, I really hope Help Wanted 2 reveals the true identity of the springlock animatronic in the CBEaR bunker... going by what Room For One More tells us, it's the real body of Nightmarionne, with the large chest cavity and all, as their FNaF World model and FNaF 3 Mangle's Quest sprite shows us... but until it releases, it'll be my wishful thinking. Thanks for reading :D Edit: And as for what's in the Box, it's as Scott said, it's the pieces of the Crying Child put back together. He was promised by Charlotte that she'd put him back together. But, tired of waiting, he put himself back together, as Nightmarionne. Then he escapes, specifically in FNaF World.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I like it. And I can see it.

[@hamcheese3532]

Bruh this theory is already been proved wrong many times, the reason it doesn't work is because Night Marionette isn't possessed by anything it represents the evil part of Charlie from the Charlie virus, The Charlie virus is what is in security breach thats why it appears to be night marionette but is just a mimic file that mimicked Charlie before she died

[@tobymardis1009]

Don't you know only one kid is allowed to cry in this entire franchise

[@Takejiro24]

I've recently though that whatever is in the box is/was the full story up to FNAF 4 fully laid out to be presented for us. Like, a puzzle whose pieces are put together. Or an objective timeline. "But would the community accept it that way?" Considering that the fanbase got most of the fun out of solving the story for theirselves even with its cryptic hints and vague storytelling (Scott even said the fanbase figured out the story of the first 3 games and was disappointed the story of 4 wasn't), I can see why Scott is/was hesitant to present the full story this way.

[@ender01o66]

Damn, so the Cassidy screenplay is in the Box? o.o

[@Takejiro24]

​@@ender01o66 Sorry, I don't remember what the Cassidy screenplay was.

[@booboothecool]

my interpretation is that the box represents the entire fnaf story, not just 4. the box isnt a real physical object actually containing something real. its a metaphor for the full story of fnaf, all the pieces put together, something we will never be fully able to understand, something that remains locked away from us

[@ender01o66]

@@booboothecool The memories of the games, that way they can be "forgotten", "for now".

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

It contained an empty placeholder for a ninth night, and imo was going to be the answer to "The End" (good ending, true ending) of FNaF 3. We had to put the pieces together to get that ending, where Golden Freddy was entirely absent. The others free, but Golden Freddy never there. But it would undo the rest. The narrative would be torn between 'you saved him' but the gameplay is set in the world where 'you can't'.

[@kinglod2312]

That hobgoblin reference was one hell of a deep cut

[@ulookbeutiful3736]

Retcon could be Afton is the father or older brother is night guard. Honestly we have no way of knowing until Scoot tells us.

[@blankblank6214]

im pretty sure the retcon is mr hippos famous speech about over analysis

[@porcelainchips6061]

Okay, Psychic Friend Fredbear theory - He was just a walkie-talkie plush IRL, but the "memories" we see are dreams / memories mixed with dreams. There was a physical object, which is why it's in SL; to confirm it wasn't imagined. But what it said... That's the mystery part; was the bite victim just remembering what the voice said via the walkie-talkie, or, as he remember-dreams is the plush being used by an invader, a "dream walker" to communicate to him. This idea comes from the notion of if someone is dead, or trapped in a dream, what they experience can only be a re-mix of what they saw in life / what they saw when they were awake. This plush was his friend, whom he trusted and he knew it could talk... So if a voice used it as an avatar to speak through to contact him then perhaps he would accept it and not be afraid of it (when otherwise the bite victim is afraid of many things within the world he remembers). Where I get this comes from stories and books were someone is either a ghost "trapped" in their looping memories of life, or a person in a coma dreaming and then some third party, some magical character projects into their world. In many cases, it's shown that the spirit or person freaks out at seeing something new or unfamiliar, but if this person shows up as something/someone already in the dreamscape then they are just accepted as part of it and not being some outside threat. In the end I feel like Psychic Friend Fredbear showing up in SL is just suppose to confirm that whatever FNAF4 is represents events that happened; perhaps in the mind of a child they are remembered differently; but they definitely happened. Whoever put the walkie talkie in the bear went on to work at the SL bunker, this person had a "private room" with cameras to the house the child saw and the maps confirm that nothing the child remembers was completely made up. But beyond that I think people want to overthink it; Scott's goal was probably to get across two points; 1) FNAF4's events, people and places are REAL people, events and places. There's a foxybro out there, there are a group of bully-children, there is a purple man / entity out there and there use to be a house near Fredbears where two boys and a parent that worked with the Fazbear company lived.

[@aleanddragonITA]

So FNAF4 is CC remembering his Nightmares and the Night Spent before The Bite awake because of the Nightmares he had mixed in a New Nightmare of some sort? But how would CC know about Sister Location? Wasn't it built after the Bite Incident? And who would be this Sleep-Walker Voice that would comunicate with CC?

[@aleanddragonITA]

Maybe the Retcon was really how much time CC lived after the Bite Like another comment suggested Basically William started experimenting with the Remenant when CC was still alive (but in a Coma) And the retcon is that the Flat Line sound at the end of FNAF4 was changed from CC dying to William disconnecting CC from the Macchines to rebuild him

[@porcelainchips6061]

@@aleanddragonITA I don't think Crying Child ever knew about the SL bunker. We do see one reference to SL in FNAF4; that being in the sister's room there is something on the floor that looks like Mangle / Funtime Foxy. That connects the two time periods together; suggesting that the Funtimes either existed while CC was still alive, or that the parent that works at Fazbear's was actively working on the prototypes to the funtimes at home. But this is the interesting part of it; like how Scott's two websites use to "talk" to each other, FNAF4 and SL "talk" to each other; The evidence in the Private Room in SL directly reference FNAF4's gameplay AND cutscenes, while FNAF4's inclusion of a funtime prototype / parts of a funtime directly foreshadow SL. I feel like this is meant to tell us to look at the two games as a pair and not as unrelated sections. In terms of the idea of a Sleep Walker in FNAF4's cutscenes, I would simply suggest The Puppet. It is the most supernatural/haunted entity in the series that is pro-active. The Puppet moves on it's own, acts on it's own and based on UCN's voice lines it is aware/knows what it is. The Puppet is able to direct other spirits/ghosts and "place" them into objects. The animatronics are inorganic objects, robots, and the puppet "puts" the spirits into them. Without the Puppet's direction, it is not clear if they would have embodied the Mascots at all or just floated around the area aimlessly. So I believe the Puppet is the simplest, most direct answer to the question. In addition, I think it's important to keep in mind that this whole over-arching story of FNAF plays with two ideas at the same time; that supernatural occurrences exist, but also technology exists. FNAF is a story about people in the modern "real world" discovering the supernatural. William Afton is deranged person willing to kill who is applying technology to the spiritual. The reason why it's important to keep this in mind is that any given character or part of the story can be about these two things coming together, or existing apart. The Puppet is the supernatural part existing on it's own; Charlie dies and her spirit finds it's why into the Puppet without guidance. Meanwhile the Funtimes are clearly a combination; Afton builds robots to then inject ghost goo into and fuse the two elements together. And then, throughout the series, there is evidence that many of the mascots may have never been haunted by anything; to this day there is a debate over if the Toy series was ever haunted. Part of the original mystery of the first game that you (the player character) and phone guy are dancing around are wither the animatronics are malfunctioning or are haunted. It's very clear from Phone Guy that he suspects something from the start but either does not want to believe it or does not want to scare off the new nightguard. On the last Phone call it's clear that Phone Guy is distressed, but also doesn't seem overwhelmed with surprise (again, suggesting he suspected something).

[@porcelainchips6061]

@@aleanddragonITA (replying to your retcon comment, not sure how comments sync up) I have a really weird theory about that, actually; CC flatlines at the hospital, but that doesn't mean he is declared dead and formally buried. It is entirely possible that that sound is him being unplugged from the machine; when you remove that stuff, it makes a flatline noise because the machine is suddenly receiving no feedback. It is entirely possible that if Afton is both the MCI killer and CC's father that he might be deranged enough to remove his son from the medical setting to "put him back together". Without getting too grim, in the US you can take people home to die instead of waiting for it to happen in the hospital. If someone isn't going to get better, if they are failing and there is nothing more to do, you can get permission to take them home. This leads me to point out Curse of Dreadbear and specifically the mini-game about Dreadbear. It's focused around the idea of a very fleshy-looking brain being synced-up to Dreadbear before closing the lid and sending the monster on it's way. It's played for laughs, but it could also be representative of some actual event. The entire DLC is similar to a "fear fest" Halloween event that's hinted at back in FNAF6 via posters in an alleyway. Dreadbear's minigame might not be literal, but why does Dreadbear quiver fearfully and experience pain while you are working on him? What other robots in the series, that we know are haunted, also experience pain? It makes me wonder if CC ended up haunting Golden Freddy not because they physically touched each other from the bite, but because Fredbear was taken out of service and then "recycled" for a Dreadbear experiment. It could explain why Golden Freddy is shown broken in all games except in the cutscenes of FNAF4; why even in UCN it appears too busted to move more then some rough jerks.

[@aleanddragonITA]

@@porcelainchips6061 Mangle isn't FunTime Foxy So it could simply be a reference to Mangle I don't understand what do you mean with the websites ''talk too'' SL having a reference to 4 would be normal (SL was made after) The Puppets is Charlie too, and William should have killed Charlie only after the Bite? Where not the Toys build with Components of the Originals? There two types of Machines 1)Only Monitor the status of the patient 2)Keep the patient alive Someone in a coma should be connected to the Second Type, so disconnecting could cause their death (actually at some point the Machine need to be disconnected to see if the Patient can survive on his own, If they can't then they are declared dead and left to die) The rest of the theory is very cool And technically would explain also why Golden Freedy seem to be Ethereal But then C.C. wouldn't be in Freedy but in Dreadbear? Or does C.C. possess 2 Animatronics (kinda like he is Dreadbear but can also manifest as Golden Freddy)

[@gaminganimators7000]

The chest theory about the mask makes so much sense!

[@dwitefry4157]

So, Sqire: I was one of the people who assumed the chage to Charlie's sex was the one retcon, but yeah, you're right, it can't be because it was changed AFTER Sister Location. At the time of the One Retcon post, there was no way we'd be able to know that had been changed. Cheers.

[@vanyadolly]

Not necessarily, because CC and FoxyBro have a sister in 4. If she was intended to be the puppet before Charlie was introduced, that would technically mean "save him" was retconned as early as 4.

[@burntnorris]

Could the retcon not just be the Fredbear plush being a walkie talkie and not actually supernatural?

[@SnailTheNail]

I think that would count as a Scottcon. It's never explicitly said (as far as I'm aware) that Fredbear plush is supernatural. So I think Scott would count it more as a "I never explained that, so changing the direction for it and then explaining isn't a retcon".

[@vanyadolly]

@@SnailTheNail But it doesn't make sense for it to show up in the game with possessed eyes if it's a walkie talkie, so that could be a retcon. The initial minigame suggests that the plush is someone communicating with CC after his death, not a thing that was actually there at the time. The "we are still your friends" dialogue also makes more sense as initially written for one of the child spirits.

[@milanbeerepoot4260]

I’ve been watching fnaf theories since sister location’s teaser trailer and i have literally never seen anyone claim that the bite victim was the puppet

[@siresquawks]

Matpat.

[@milanbeerepoot4260]

@@siresquawksoh yeah, i might have repressed that

[@vanyadolly]

@@siresquawks That explains things. it's up there with dream theory for sure. MatPat had good ideas too, but I think people forget his job was to come up with theories for content, *not* to make sure they're accurate or make sense.

[@imalright48]

"mci" normal person: missing children's incident me: my chemical...iomance?

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

Anyone who can understand the vernacular MCI, OMC, or TOYSNHK isn't a normal person.

[@lpfan4491]

@@Hex.A.Decimal It actually took me a while to get what TOYSNHK was meant to mean. That was definitly not an abbreviation that was in heavy use a few years ago, so I wonder where it came from, lmao.

[@carimeslockdownedtree2654]

I always misread MCI as MURDERED children's incident and was like "what the hell's the difference with the DCI then. Dead children incident, murdered children incident. Same fucking name". Took me a while, but I got there eventually 😂 still sometimes get the word wrong in my head, though.

[@clefairyfan333]

NotRealName NotAtAll in shambles rn

[@carimeslockdownedtree2654]

She'd managed to convince me but then I started thinking about how the puppet died and the theory broke. But MAN was the box thing _very_ clever. That's the piece of evidence that made me go "okay yeah I believe you".

[@iamthemouse4483]

You and Notrealname Notatall should have a debate about this. Infact, now that I think about it, a channel where people debate different FNAF theories live would actually be really cool.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Seeing as this retcon was one “no one noticed” it’s probably something unimportant. Like Bonnie was purple but now he’s blue

[@siresquawks]

That's not a retcon really though?

[@Wizardjones69]

Bonnie being purple is because of the ilumination in fnaf 1, he always was blue

[@Albino_Basilisk]

@@Wizardjones69 I see, that’s interesting

[@SCP-469]

@@Wizardjones69Bonnie was definitely purple in FNAF I but was MEANT to be blue

[@Dumbo-zx7oc]

Fun face in the Charlie’s mini game in fnaf 2 in the background you can hear save him so it was most likely some random kid possses the puppet originally in my opinion

[@TeamTheme]

So glad you addressed this

[@Frocchi]

rly like ur vids for having back ground noise while i play chill singleplayer games keep it up!

[@JDxY-2]

Thank you for clearing this up, I’m tired of people saying this-

[@arlo9754]

i didn't even know there were people who thought they were the same

[@siresquawks]

Matpat.

[@internetamenhotep]

Bite victims fate has always confused me, and this video is great. A few questions if you will: What is your actual working theory on his fate? You mentioned in another video some people headcanon him to become shadow freddy, brainwashed by William into another minion, which i find really satisfying because I personally think there are too many problems with him either co-haunting golden Freddy with Cassidy or haunting him instead of Cassidy. Plus, shadow Freddy was clearly important between 2 and 3, and just fell off without much explanation to our knowledge. 4 would be the perfect time to explain him, and the game is all about BV. What do you think?

[@siresquawks]

Right now I feel he's a lost soul in the void we see in FNaF world and the end of 4 who is sort of found and recovered by Cassidy. The shadow freddy concept could work, but it's kinda hard to prove is my main problem.

[@marx4538]

This makes for a question: if Bite Victim was never meant to be the Puppet, that means that it's possible that Bite Victim's design and similarities to the Puppet is a misdirection. But then what does it misdirect from? What is the purpose behind the FNAF 3 minigame puppets? I don't have an answer, actually. I do agree with your video, though, you make good points.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

If dream theory were true, the dreamer was the Puppet. But imo, creepy twins. It's always creepy twins. Just this time they swap costumes in the afterlife.

[@SCP-469]

Take the gorl with the pink shirt and blondish hair for example that’s not Elisabeth or Susie

[@TheModeratelySizedWave]

⁠Do you think William got in the Springtrap suit when the ghost appeared in FNAF 3 because the kids spirits had been connected to the suits? That way even if the ghosts killed him he would “always come back

[@goldendarius]

The retcon is the fnaf 4 animatronics being real, that's it, they aren't nightmares anymore. I remember back then that it was accepted they were just nightmares and not real, but a few people (like scott said) suggested they might be actual animatronics, real robots

[@sky8ash]

Could the Retcon be the 5th kid in the Give Life minigame from FNAF 2? Because henry's speach shows the 4 kids wearing masks given by the puppet, with no 5th kid. (In FNAF 2, when the 4th mask is given the 5th kid appers)

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I want more people to talk about this. But it's probably just to avoid the jumpscare.

[@sky8ash]

@@Hex.A.Decimal the thing is that the image we see in PS isn't a screen shot (Due to the lack of black lines) which does reveal Scott remade the Give Life minigame with the FNAF 2 sprites for the Herny's speach (It does reveal that Fritz was the 4th one though)

[@aleanddragonITA]

The Fifth Child should be Golden Freddy, right? So the Retcon would be Golden Freddy actually existing And not being some weird Hallucination?

[@sky8ash]

@@aleanddragonITA the fifth kid does causes the golden freddy's jumpscare, and it does seem like golden freddy is more then a hallucination now

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

@@sky8ash Yeah, I know. I just don't know if it means something or it was just easiest to edit it that way, or Scott wanted the focus of the moment to be Puppet and not GF... Or it was that Henry had no idea of Golden Freddy (how I interpreted it). But Golden Freddy was also absent in HW and has been noticably missing since FNaF 4... Which is really, really odd and I don't know what to make of it with his complete absence in the good ending. It feels like it means something, I agree... But foreshadowing with no follow up is kinda a Scott brand at this point. But it should be examined further, absolutely.

[@slushiegoreluna]

Y'know, as a fellow 1-4 theorist I find these videos really thought provoking. It really puts into perspective all these story bits in the first 4 games, helping me look through the perspective of my own theories/headcanons and seeing how they fit into that one confined story

[@chaoraiser2338]

Your right tho he did say that nightmare balloon boy was canon i think

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

Nightmare Balloon boy is a canon event. He was the first to crawl through the code and murder Scott irl. Yes he did say that and it haunts me to this day.

[@chaoraiser2338]

@@Hex.A.Decimal ...wut

[@nomad161]

I'm still confused as to who thinks BV is the puppet, never heard of this before..

[@siresquawks]

Matpat.

[@nomad161]

@@siresquawks Recently or? Edit: is this video like retredding old theories? Because right after the dittophobia rant it caught me off guard is all

[@siresquawks]

Yeah this one was an old chip on my shoulder that the retcon video raised from the dead in the comments

[@nomad161]

@@siresquawks ohh, well anyways, love your stuff!

[@Poppys.SugarRush]

so glad I never believed Evan was ever gonna be the puppet lmao.

[@klipsfilmsmelbourne]

bite victim was never puppet or 5th missing child I use to thought fifth missing was a lie in fnaf 4 because of golden freddy was hallucination in fnaf 1

[@Charliehotdog79]

I completely agree but it annoys me that the Puppet has pattern similarities like the tears and stripes.

[@lordhelix01]

The fact you only have 400 subs and this is the quality you put out is awesome, definetley earned a follow

[@siresquawks]

I have 12.75k subs but thanks

[@lordhelix01]

@@siresquawks I wrote this on a different video, don't know why it's here

[@vanyadolly]

How was this even a theory? 😂The puppet is incredibly proactive while the CCs reaction to everything is literally curling up in a ball and crying.

[@smt64productions40]

Because design details back when we had 4 games....I never believed in it and always thought it was stupid

[@buffalocrackerdong6978]

Silly goose fnaf 4 is the retcon ALL OF IT

[@Jake_Marbais_]

Nothing better than watching Sire Squawks at work 👌

[@madsmh4772]

who thought the bite victim was the puppet?????

[@siresquawks]

Matpat

[@ulookbeutiful3736]

I saw someone explain Puppetvictim as BV gets killed by animatronic then survives and then gets killed by Afton. Which why would you wanna be in the establishment again that you hated then got almost died in it? And if you believe Afton isn’t the father why would any sensible parent and older brother (we see him being very remorseful of his actions) would let him near Fazbearland after what happened? If you believe Afton is the father why would he kill his own son? If really wanted it he could do it in the comfort in his own house not near very popular public has tons of children and parents in it pizzeria.

[@Dinosaurs847]

I've never heard of the Idea that the Puppet was the bite victim, is it really that popular?

[@siresquawks]

Matpat.

[@kingofflames738]

​​@@siresquawksthat would be new to me. When did he say that?

[@nickytembo4112]

@@siresquawksaka the guy who made a theory that Mario was mental -_-

[@siresquawks]

The theory/stream combo called “it’s no dream”

[@kingofflames738]

@@siresquawks you mean that ancient, by everyone involved acknowledged outdated thing that's barely referenced anymore? So in other words, no, Matpat isn't saying it at all.

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

I think the true retcon is Golden Freddy's role in the story as we barely knew anything about them so anything Scott had intended would go over our heads and it was before Micheal was put as the Security guard. So the retcon i think is Golden Freddy was who possessed them or what he has been leaded up to be whatever it may be, maybe William using the suit instead of Spring Bonnie

[@deesnyder23]

I always thought that Puppet was "Crying Child", not "Bite Victim". The retcon was that that one child was crying child and not all the ghosts were meant to cry but then they changed it so Crying Child/B.V can be a different character.

[@vanyadolly]

But all the sprites of the dead children are crying, that hasn't changed. The only thing setting Crying Child/Bite Victim apart is that he does it a lot. That's why he gets the capital letters.

[@deesnyder23]

@@vanyadolly We had only seen one ghost sprite back then, in FNaF 2. I believe the ghost sprites were all made crying in FNaF 3 to further implement the new idea that CC isn't the Puppet. We see a ghost child in FNaF 2, then by FNaF 3 they all look like that.

[@vanyadolly]

@@deesnyder23 Gotcha. This theory really seems to be ancient.

[@deesnyder23]

@@vanyadolly Duh? I'm saying who the Puppet was is the retcon. He was originally meant to be C.C (not B.V), before Scott changed it to be Charlie/Charlotte. Hence why Save Him not Save Her.

[@vanyadolly]

@@deesnyder23 I wasn't aware of how old the theory was.

[@jpcsdutra]

Ok, I feel like this one is a bit hard to digest, it took me a while to think things through as you were laying them out. I somehow think Scott is lying about the number of retcons (that matter anyway) and I did believe that CC was meant to be the Puppet but this video did make me question this and, as of right now at least, make be think I'm wrong about that. HOWEVER I also think there is a misunderstanding here on your part. At least on the way you laid out things there seems like there's some nebulous ground on where the retcon takes place if this is the retcon, because the way you talk is like fnaf 4 happens and then scott decided there was a retcon needing to happen to make things make sense, but I think most people would think that it would have happened in the development of FNAF 4, meaning that in the story we get, it has already happened. Even if Scott is quick with his work, changing the story and the dialogue would be a lot faster than changing assets for the game, and we know for a fact because of site source codes that FNAF 4 was originally about the Bite of 87 rather than the Bite of 83. If we *know* that, Fnaf 4 becomes the bigger focus on where a retcon could have happened. It doesn't mean it *was*, but it means it's the place where we would most likely could have known and not noticed. And gender issues aside, color/design theory aside, if you plant the seed in the previous game that there's one singled out crying child that goes on to possess an animatronic whose main design point is a streak of tears, and that through their handiwork the brought back animatronics are able to enact vengeance, and then the very next game you introduce a single out crying child that is the main focus of the plot, like how are these things not at the very least meant to be interpreted as connected? Yes, the other kid spirits are shown crying, there are even other animatronics crying in FNAF 3 minigames, but it isn't as much of a farfetched conclusion anymore if you think the retcon is something in the story of fnaf 4. It's hard enough piecing what did happen let alone figuring out what was cut/reworked from happening, but Occam's razor is still that Scott pushed events back in the timeline once he realized some of them wouldn't make sense or be satisfying.

[@lpfan4491]

"one singled out crying child" This really needs to stop. They all cry, since even before the Puppet was even a thing(Creepy Fnaf 1-posters). If we say the kid in the puppet was singled out for a reason, then we need to look for unique traits, not a generic one all of them are shown to have. And such a trait does not exist as far as I can see, so they were probably singled out because they HAVE to be. Someone always has to be the first in a chain of anything.

[@jpcsdutra]

@@lpfan4491 "singled out crying child" in the sense that it was a crying child separated from the others with a different focus. Of course people in their situation would cry, that's not what's abnormal. But in FNAF 2 it was impossible to know why that kid was the only one on the outside. It being left out and vulnerable was a key trait. FNAF 4 comes around and we have a crying kid with poor socialization skills that is vulnerable. And, in fact, if we take just games 1 - 4 at the time of their release, crying children was not *that* common. Fnaf 1 has the posters... with the same one face. Fnaf 2 has only puppet kid Fnaf 3 is interesting. There's no alive kid crying. There's ONE dead kid crying in BB's minigame. And ONE in Shadow Bonnie's (probably the same). The springlock ending has also ONE crying ghost (the other 4 have their backs turned). Fnaf 4 notoriously has the one Bite Victim. Regardless of whether or not it holds water after these past few years, that is not my argument that it is right or isn't. The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't outlandsih to get to that conclusion with what was presented. It's not completely crazy or out there is the point. In fact, that's why the Bite of 83 is such a memorable twist, because logic and narrative would dictate we were witnessing something we had the context for and not something brand new.

[@SCP-469]

@@jpcsdutraYeah but with FNAF III it’s still reasonable to assume they’re all the same, as they’re the same in the minigames

[@charliewegner]

i am just now learning that people thought the bite victim could’ve been the puppet and i- HOW?

[@siresquawks]

Matpat.

[@damkylan3]

The design choices mentioned in the video, combined with the Puppet's absence in FNAF4, which is pretty interesting on its own. Keep in mind that FNAF4 has references to *everything*, including friggin' Springtrap, Mangle, and the Toys (timeline be damned, I guess), but not the Puppet. And then here comes this kid with a design that evokes the Puppet. But most of all... at least for me, his dying pose in FNAF4 during the final cutscene is positioned to look exactly like the Shadow Puppet from one of the FNAF3 minigames. That giant Puppet thing that's kinda slumped over and crying. So... what does this mean, especially today? Scott only knows, and he's never gonna fucking tell us lol

[@Takejiro24]

​​@@damkylan3​ If it helps, the toys and plushies of Springtrap and the Toys could be explained in FNAF 4. The plush is of Spring Bonnie and the toys of, well, the Toys are of the OGs from the Fredbear and Friends cartoon. The OGs even got masks. Later down the line, the Toys are based off the toys of the OGs. I really hope that made sense. The Mangle though...... personally, I got nothing. But, I had heard of a theory that Elizabeth was a toddler who broke her toy of Foxy by the time of FNAF 4 this evoking Mangle who was a "Take Apart and Put Back Together" thing for toddlers. It's a bunch of Futureshadowing basically.

[@aleanddragonITA]

​@@damkylan3 Maybe the Puppet was introduced after the Bite Incident... So CC wouldn't know about it?

[@italianissimobaldi5720]

Honestly I don't even think Scott counts gender swap as a retcon. He was never consistent with it and I think he usually doesn't care about it

[@justice8718]

With genders, Sammy Emily was the one murdered in "Take cake to the children" with Midnight Motorist being the prequel game to his death (since the father was driving to Freddys in the cliffhanger).

[@smt64productions40]

@@justice8718 .....What? I thought Midnight Motorist was later that night, I made a joke to myself that "Take Cake Kid" is Sammy Emily but what?

[@justice8718]

@@smt64productions40 Yes. Both "take cake to the children" and Midnight Motorist take place after Charlie Emily's death. Sammy Emily ran to Freddys because his twin sister was supposed to be there, and like his sister, he was locked out of the restaurant.

[@smt64productions40]

@@justice8718 I am certain that's not actually the case (given Henry's speech show that scene and didn't even mention Sammy Emily so yeah......pretty certain that this is meant to be Charlie and Scott just decided Charlie is the Puppet for that context)

[@justice8718]

@@smt64productions40 Henry Emily simply hates his own son that much. It's no wonder that kid became the deranged Springtrap/Scraptrap.

[@kittydemonoverkill]

I didn't realize that post was from before FFPS. So, I guess it's true that Charlie's gender isn't the retcon So I'll go back to the theory of the Retcon being Dream Theory

[@AriiAriiFernandez]

Hey by any chance have you seen Internet Inferno’s take on what’s in the box? If so, I’m interested in hearing what you think of it

[@siresquawks]

No.

[@H0RIZ0Na]

I do have a theory that could tie up who the crying child is meant to be, and it does have a lot to do with a previous theory on this channel where you mentioned that the only logical thing that could be outside michael's room is a "scarecrow" style endo that can possibly produce illusions via sound. Now hear me out, since it might sound a little absurd. But what if that "scarecrow" endo is yenndo? It's been pointed out by a few people how Lefty's shell design practically matches yenndo's shape perfectly, even down to the eye colors. Most people don't know how to fit lolbit and yenndo into the storyline since they are partially canon easter egg characters with little to no explanation as to what they represent, but this theory brings together all the easter eggs in sister location together, since Scott himelf pointed out that "there are no random easter eggs." This more than likely means all the easter eggs we see throughout the games have some sort of lore representation or greater significance beyond just being secret characters for the fun of it. I do believe every game post fnaf 3 has just been a retelling of the "original" story. Yenndo is a very confusing easter egg, since he only appears canonically in funtime auditorium, albeit very rarely. The same can be said about lolbit, who's mask does canonically appear in place of the ennard mask in the main control room on rare occasions as well. I think yenndo may be this scarecrow animatronic, who I also believe to possibly be a newer version of the psychic friend fredbear ai. A lot of people think PPFB is just william talking to the CC through a walkie talkie, but that still doesn't explain why he appears ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD as well as in place of a flower with nobody saying anything about it in the minigames. This seems to be a plushie, or an illusion disk that the CC carry's around, similarly to how the Tale's books show Edwin's son carrying around a plushie with an AI system inside of it, designed to be his friend by literally mimicking him entirely, since he probably thought that the perfect friend for his son should be just like him, since "how could you not get along with an ai that mimics your own behaviours?" he thought. So after the CC dies, PPFB stays around as an ai, but its already seen not just now CC acted as a kid, trying to tell him "were still your friends" even though he's terrified of them, but also how michael acted as well, how he would torment and bully the CC relentlessly, eventually killing him. If we assume the events of the first MCI to be in 1985, after FNAF 4's minigame sequence in 1983, then it could be assumed that William afton separated himself from the business out of grief for the CC's death, but it doesn't explain why there's a mangle toy in Elizabeth's bedroom to begin with. I partially believe in dream theory for the sole reason that all the children we see throughout the minigames represent the phantom animatronics, and mangle being a twisted version of how the CC sees his sister would make sense as to why she appears as a hallucination in fnaf 3, as well as bb and the puppet. One thing i still dont know (about the phatoms) is why bonnie's not there, and why it's hallucinations of withered freddy and foxy, but the fnaf 1 model of chica. The animatronics in security breach could explain this maybe? only because there are ties to chica's voice box getting fixed and bonnie getting replaced with a more violent version of himself basically. This is why I believe Elizabeth's death happened before the events of the fnaf 4 minigames, and that the CC is literally a rebuilt version of her, but as a boy. Now hold on a minute, I hear you say. "That makes absolutely no sense". Well, it would not only explain why mangle's gender (as well as the vengeful spirit, and funtime foxy too) are very ambiguous in the story. Scott has allowed these three characters to be gender fluid for a reason, that reason being that the CC is a test; I think, mind you this could just be extremely broad speculation, that william afton was so consumed with the grief of his daughter that he tried to "mimic" how the puppet victim's life giving abilities, by literally trying to create life through his knowledge of robotics. (puppet victim may not be henry's daughter, keep in mind the name "henry" is never said at all in the games so henry could very well just be a stand in for william.) This could mean that yenndo and funtime foxy are connected, maybe yenndo has the mimic ai program inside him and funtime foxy is just what he's using to "catch" you if that makes any sense. Yenndo/FF are the feminine voice we hear throughout SL, since they are the one getting you to do all sorts of ambiguous tasks for seemingly no reason, and I also believe that HandUnit is a more useful and refined version of the mimic ai since it clearly knows a lot about the technology Afton's reaserching with. Handy tries to mimic michael on night 2 with the "angsty teen" voice, which i dont think is just a joke, I think its meant to show that older teen michael (maybe 18 or 19? idrk) was the one in SL that we play as. There are wierd audio glithes that can be slowed down and reversed to say, "argumentative...standards...elevation...passive...heights" Almost like a secondary ai (Yenndo/FF, the reason i group them together is mainly cause I believe yenndo to be puppeteering him not just because of the eye color matching but also because it would explain the mimic/yenndo being springrap and the guy represented in the fnaf 6 alley poster and michael afton is foxy, the one hes puppeteering to do his dirty work, i.e kidnapping you and stuffing you into a springlock suit. I think lolbit is meant to represent what scott initially wanted to do with ennard, with a golden fox head (yenndo+FF design) as the one in control, sort of ironic given how ennard basically does that anyway,where he puppeteers michael, someone portrayed as foxy in the CC's minigames. Lolbit might not be a real animatronic, but her mask is meant to be symbolic in my opinion. I know there are a lot of plot holes here, but these are just some of the pieces put together in a new way that not a lot of people have talked much about.

[@retrobrickreviews687]

One theory behind the retcon I've always been surprised to never see brought up is that, according to the newspapers in FNAF 1, there were seemingly multiple incidents of Purple Guy luring children to the back room, TOTALING five victims - one paper specifically stating that he was captured after being seen luring two children who went missing and just that there were five overall victims. This contrasts with FNAF 2 and Silver Eyes, both of which present all five children as going missing in a single day.

[@siresquawks]

This is commonly brought up, I talk about it in the first retcon video.

[@retrobrickreviews687]

@@siresquawks Oh, sorry about that. I thought the retcon brought up in that video was the idea of the killer being charged.

[@siresquawks]

@@retrobrickreviews687 it was kinda both

[@SCP-469]

Wait didn’t TSE mention it happening over a period of months “We know Michael wasn’t the only child to disappear in those terrible few months” I’m paraphrasing but still. And it’s still the case in the movie, all the kids are kidnapped in one day

[@purpelicious]

Personally i think the retcon was the fnaf 4 it wasnt all just a dream, nothing else really, but im very intrigued by how stretchy scott is going to hotglue sister location being one of the original buildings and buried all the way underground thing.. and this following rant of mine is pretty besides the video’s content but anyway (tw: gore discussion of peepaw willy’s killing and kids being m-word): At this point i almost forgot how CC died in the first place .. was it the bite? was it an instant death? Did his agonizing cry and getting stuck in the jaws of freddy became so strong that he was the 1st possession? Then i’ll be a bit more okay with the fact that he later died in the hospital bed.. and just poor cassidy being stuffed into freddy just to later find another kid being “first time?” But wouldn’t Afton knew his beloved son is in freddy prior to stuffing cassidy in it?? So that is double disrespectful to 2 victims including his kid.. aaaand i guess at this point he dont see them as human children anymore and just mere ‘subjects’ to his demented experiments .. That was a lot :/ yet somehow we’re all enwrapped in this theorizing mess lol Also after writing it struck me a bit that willy probs didnt know he was stuffing his kid’s animatronic with a 2nd soul because he must have knew it after the fact whenever charlie was murdered(?) and then the 2nd MCI right? But .. doesnt that make the 1st batch of kids being murdered totaled to 7? excluding his own kid? And now my pea brain is going to the effin sister location fiasco and i think i lost the plot again haha

[@aleanddragonITA]

Obviously William didn't know CC was in Golden Freddy CC didn't die in Golden Freddy And William most likely thought that was Necessary to possess an Animatronic

[@aleanddragonITA]

1)Freddy 2)Bonnie 3)Chica 4)Foxy 5)Puppet 6)Golden Freddy Who is the Seventh? C.C.? But CC wasn't killed by William so he shouldn't be counted Wait, you said excluding his own kid So who is the Seventh Child?

[@maxwellfusion]

It could maybe be the death order? Like originally Elizabeth was supposed to die first (hinted by her being completely absent in FNAF 4) only to acctly have it be the crying child or smthn?? Idk I’m throwing stuff at the wall ngl

[@smt64productions40]

It is possible the intent is to hint a sister exist, regardless if said sister died originally or not is up for debate

[@randomrhino4371]

I agree that Puppet Victim wasn't the retcon, but unless I misunderstood, the point at 7:40 doesn't really work since all of the indicators of Cassidy being a girl were post-FNAF 6 so it wouldn't count. Overall though this is a great video that I agree with quite a lot!

[@siresquawks]

Part of the video (which I realized while wrapping up) that’s a little confusing is that I talk about both retcons before and after 6 for the running retcon counter, which was more a point about how many things would need to be changed in general. Cassidy’s gender would be count towards it as an overall change.

[@randomrhino4371]

@@siresquawks ah okay that makes sense

[@NathanWhite-s3q]

I found a few additional things PuppetVictim Believers claim is evidence for PuppetVictim: 1: the grandfather clock. In FNaF 4 (And I'm sure your already aware of this, given your stance on dream theory) there's a grandfather clock in both the Night sections and the minigames. The Puppets music box plays a song called "My Grandfather's Clock" which went on to be what named Grandfather clocks as Grandfather clocks. 2: the plushies: In FNaF 4 the crying Childs room is surrounded by plushies. where is the puppet placed in FNaF 2? the prize counter, with shelves of plushies. 3: the Baby: In FNaF 4, the bonnie bully(?) refers to the crying child as a "Baby" which some took as a reference to the puppet due to Markiplier nicknaming the puppet "the baby" in his FNaF 2 Playthrough. Scott even referenced the nickname in the nightmarionne teaser image, with it being labelled as "Don't wake the Baby". Now, I am not a PuppetVictim believer. I do not think it was Scotts original plan for the crying child, nor was it the retcon he was talking about in his post. I just thought I'd bring up a few pieces of supposed evidence and see your reaction to them 9assuming you see this comment which I doubt will happen but hey, who knows).

[@just_a_tepig3611]

1:27 hey i didnt know the timeline of the post when i mentioned the idea!

[@Takejiro24]

Hmm. Maybe.....it was the Puppet being in the FNAF 1 location that the cutscenes of FNAF 2 (where you see through Freddy's eyes) seem to imply? Beyond the posters of crying children in FNAF 1 looking similar to the Puppet (and that probably has its cons), nothing really suggested the Puppet resided in the FNAF 1 location. I don't know if anybody talked about that back in the day.

[@Wizardjones69]

So in theory: all the mci kids, dci, and circus baby entertainment and rentals kids is the crying child just because their souls have tears?

[@Takejiro24]

@@Wizardjones69 No?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Takejiro24 because if this interpretation exist, all the green colour in fnaf refers to charlie

[@Takejiro24]

@@Wizardjones69 I'm not sure how what I said connected to the theory that "green = Charlie"?

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Takejiro24 thats what im saying: just because cc and puppet have tears, and ALL the ghost children from mci have tears, HOW THIS JUST CONNECTS WITH CC even with all the other ghosts with tears?

[@Takejiro24]

Spoilers for FNAF MOVIE: So, white shirt and top hat kid being regular Freddy turned out to be true. Also, Golden Freddy's actor killed his role. Kudos, good sir.

[@SCP-469]

Fr like he was actually menacing And he’s basically the ultimate Golden Freddy kid, -Michael He just looks like him -Cassidy A spirit in Golden Freddy that can do supernatural things Petty as hell Is more aware -Andrew Petty as hell Can control dreams ( basically all the ghosts can do this but just ignore that A vengeful MALE

[@smt64productions40]

@@SCP-469 Love how Andrew and Cassidy is "Petty as hell"

[@SCP-469]

@@smt64productions40 for most of Cassidy’s appearance she is just trying to kill Bill

[@smt64productions40]

@@SCP-469 I know, just find it funny both have "Petty as hell"

[@vincentmorris8431]

Last Night I watched NotRealName NotAtAll read some hot takes and presented Puppet Victim as her own. Wonder what she'd think on this?... Also funny that you said proto-Cassidy 'cause I've actually taken to using proto-Cassie for the grayscale girl on the Ruin poster when most of us assumed her blonde before the trailer. My selected name before "Cassie" has been Abigail - a name I could've sworn I heard someone reviewing GGY use when referring to Amelia, and made me think of Abby from the movie.

[@SCP-469]

Well movie has come out those are the clothes the kids died in so…

[@saeklin]

The trunk might contain a body. There's a belief in many religions that the soul can't rest until funeral rituals are performed which include a proper burial. And Scott describes himself as christian, so it's possible he would inject a bit of his own spiritual beliefs into the story. This would explain why the animatronics became possessed in the first place. There does seem to be clues scattered between the games and books about the importance of graves to symbolize a soul is at rest. So yeah, either its a body in the trunk or CC's belongings. Or because trunks typically hold mementos especially from childhood, the closed trunk is a metaphor for Mike finally forgiving himself. The plain big brother Mike, not Zombie Son Of A Mad Scientist Mike.

[@NIGHT-GAURD]

I think crying child is golden freddy

[@lpfan4491]

I genuinely was in a conversation where someone strongly insisted it was true and it's like...what are people smoking? Heck, the image often cited for theories is the freedy plush strings-one. Freddy, not even the Fredbear plush that would have something to do with Fnaf 4. On a teaser image for Fnaf 6(game that while very slightly retconning the Fnaf 2 minigame solidifies the obvious truth of it having nothing to do with crying child). And the image was most likely meant to tease the plottwist that Lefty(who is a recolored Rockstar *Freddy*) captured the puppet. What gets me the most is when people say crying child resembles the Puppet due to the tears. When the generic visual of a crying kid also applied to all of the dead bodies and their spirits. Since Fnaf 1, which was BEFORE THE PUPPET WAS A THING. And this is even before tackling that if it was true then this video is entirely correct on how it couldn't be "the retcon" because there was nothing to notice. That was a character death and that was a character death. How would anyone logically connect the two as the same deathscene when the change was entirely on Scott's private list of stickynotes or sth at that point? This is just as "smart" as people saying the bite of 83 has to overwrite the one of 87 simply because "we cannot have multiple bites in the same timeline".

[@funemonke_]

dream theory was the retcon. it is the reason we even got a sister location or anything after fnaf 4 in general. the murder mystery story was told and ended on cliche terms (dream theory) so scott wanted to make it up to die hard fans and continue the story with his love for si-fi, ex. sister location, fnaf 6, the books, ect

[@Wizardjones69]

i think that the only real retcon was "save him" in take cake to children, before was a boy but now is a girl

[@smt64productions40]

@@Wizardjones69 Keep in mind the "ONE" retcon was release at the sametime as "Sister Location Custom Night/Shortly after" so before "FNaF 6: so

[@Echosinfireify]

So fnaf 4 was supposed to be the final chapter, which means there’s no way Charlie was the puppet back then because she didn’t exist yet.

[@siresquawks]

It didn’t need to be Charlie specifically, it just needed to be an earlier draft of the character. Like “William Afton” isn’t named until 6 properly, but a Mr.Afton is mentioned at the start of SL, and it’s obviously him. And like I said I the video, and Scott said in his post, the story can take on details and add plot beats from beyond the original plan, but those aren’t “changes” or retcons, just more being written into the story.

[@T.O.F.G]

Good video so far

[@fluffalpenguin]

I'm still convinced the retcon is super boring and it was missed because it's boring. The FNAF 1 newspaper that says "Suspect convicted." was changed to "Suspect arrested." in canon because the story falls apart if William was convicted. As of when the post was made, nobody noticed that it's weird that William isn't in prison despite being convicted for a thing that DEFINITELY comes with a life sentence without possibility of parole AT LEAST. We've noticed it now, but we hadn't at the time.

[@maxwellattacks6645]

Yeah that's very reasonable I doubt it's anything important, while I think Dream theory was originally true it was not hinted enough in game to be considered a retcon by Scott. However my personal bet would be the year FNAF 4 takes place

[@Gibbypastrami]

I think Henry was the “owner convicted” or some other fall guy, then either that fall guy is still in prison, or Henry escaped or was able to present evidence that got him released, but I agree it’s probably something boring But if it isn’t, I think it’s something, and then a bunch of what we think are retcons or plot holes are just us missing the retcon difference

[@tensiahuddleston9983]

Convictions can also be overturned, but I'm not sure of the specifications of doing so. Could be that William was convicted and it was eventually overturned; or he framed someone in his stead.

[@cleaveuntome42]

Could henry be the retcon? Was there proof he exusted in first 3 games??

[@TheWizardMus]

No but since Henry appears in FNaF6 he isn't the retcon(and even if he was he would fall into what Squawks is calling a scottcon where its just more information on something that was previously vague/unexplained) The singular retcon is referring to somewhere between FNaF 1 and Sister Location

[@amyeasler2086]

The retcon is 4 games one story, sister location was originally supposed to be a stand alone game

[@janrafhael2885]

ME WATCHING YOUR VIDEO: AGREED😎😎

[@AnimationJ]

First? Wrong! Sire is first.

[@yamibakura8597]

Well argued, but I'm just baffled that people think the Bite Victim is the one possessing the puppet.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

When you think about it, PuppetVictim was Gregbot before Gregbot was ever a thing. Both of them are based entirely on mostly surface level observations.

[@yamibakura8597]

@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527Gregbot believers on suicide watch

[@gymleaderastrid0529]

Did people actually believed this?

[@siresquawks]

Matpat did.

[@Warforged644]

For one of your videos, I swear that you stated that the Puppet was an existing entity that was possessing the Fredbear Plush (I forgot the rest of the context that was set up for the idea). If that were true, could it be that the design scheme for the Crying Child is meant to allude to its communication with the Puppet, and not necessary allude to becoming the Puppet himself? Also, the Ultimate Dream Theory image reminds me of the iconic Lasombra antediluvian picture from VtM lol

[@SStudiosCO]

Reupload?

[@siresquawks]

No.

[@Insertanynamehere1983]

He was never. He isn't possessing any animatronic, he is in FNaFW

[@ikaiju-eu9wn]

8 year old me would disagree with you

[@FoxyGuyHere]

Yeah? No one has ever thought he is the puppet.

[@siresquawks]

Matpat did. Hell he made a short saying this was the “one retcon”.

[@CinemaSans]

You're seriously the best theorist, and honestly the only good FNaF theorist on the English youtube

[@booboothecool]

does anyone still believe in this theory? this was something people only theorized about for a brief moment during fnaf 4. it was very clearly deconfirmed in fnaf 6 too. so whats the point of this video

[@booboothecool]

this is like making a “foxy didnt do the bite of 87!” video in 2023, like yea we know

[@lpfan4491]

@@booboothecool Believe it or not, I have actually encountered people a few months ago who insisted that it was the case and what Fnaf 6 did was a retcon. It is like the random insistence in recent times that colors belong exclusively to characters and those characters always have to be represented by them.

[@NIGHT-GAURD]

In my opinion puppet victim or golden Freddy victim is kind of a good way to end the series where you get the bite of 87 but there's still some lingering minor mystery that will never find out

[@Jack_Zandara]

the retcon is the bite, there is only a bite of 83, 87 is what got changed but due to us not knowing anything about the bite we didnt notice at the time. we were all too high on Scott saying matpats fnaf 2 theory was "mostly correct" that we didnt even consider anything in that theory wrong at the time

[@s665677]

I think the retcon is the crying child from 1,2, and maybe 3 went from being the puppet to being the bite victim

[@casualdinofan1953]

The Retcon is fnaf 4 But in all seriousness it’s probably dream theory if that was the direction It was going in. The person that possesses the puppet gender because it was the save him minigame. Or whatever was inside the box originally I probably not because he talks about it.

[@casualdinofan1953]

But the save him change happen in for fnaf 6

[@casualdinofan1953]

The puppet the animatronic is male so maybe that is what it is referring to by save him

[@ethancurtsinger172]

Dream Theory can’t work nor this so-called “changed the gender of the ghost of the Puppet”, for different reasons because if Dream Theory was somehow the intention then it can’t work for counting as the “Retcon”, because it would had been talked about and would had been noticed (since Scott mentioned that it was a minor retcon that no one had noticed it) by many and this post by Scott was made before the release of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria Simulator (even then UCN called Puppet’s gender as him meaning that Puppet’s gender is male while the ghost is female). So, it could be anything from FNaF 1 to Sister Location that would had been a minor retcon like a example could be the animatronics from Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza’s age. Since Phone Guy says they’re twenty-years old, but both FNaF 4 and the Faz-Tokens in Help Wanted 1 showed they only had existed since the year of 1983. Meaning that Phone Guy was only just exaggerating their age.

[@Whoiscassie]

I feel like the FNaF movie CAN be counter argued as the puppet is most likely possessed by the CC in the movie if you piece up all the evidence we have of the movie so far The cc in the movie disappearing never coming back Charlie in books disappearing never coming back The CC did not suffer the bite of 83 in the movie, and Abby is severely coded to be a mix of both Elizabeth and Charlie (Abby has the letters for Baby and is a nickname for Elizabeth and has the same eye and hair colour as Charlie) so it’s likely Charlie doesn’t exist in the movie continuity

[@apineapple3177]

I’m not even sure of a the puppet is in the film Plus, it’s a separate Continuity

[@Whoiscassie]

@@apineapple3177 i didn’t say the puppet would be in the movie, but Garrett MIGHT very well be possessing the puppet in the MOVIE’S UNIVERSE, because there’s going to be 3 movies. And bc the FNaF movie is the story Scott wanted to tell originally

[@apineapple3177]

@@Whoiscassie Well, your entire point is just based around around that argument If you can pull out speculation, I could just as easily and yes we will definitely see the puppet because they are such an iconic character however, what happens to them is complete speculation

[@apineapple3177]

@@Whoiscassie in addition we have no clue how Garrett Will play into the film or if he’s is cc that argument is really speculator

[@Whoiscassie]

@@apineapple3177 the FNaF movie description says a lot about him, i’d recommend you check it out if you want, it can give you more information about who he is

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

I respect it, but I didn't really follow some of it and I sorta disagree with parts. You aren't wrong, you bring up some good points... But I feel like the blatant misdirection of the kid having so much in common with the Puppet counts for something. That the Puppet takes their place in HD means something. That said, I will die happy if 'scottcon' becomes an actual literary term.

[@siresquawks]

I mean it's a tad misleading to say he's got a lot in common with the puppet when he's got just as much in common with Fredbear if that's the route you take. His favorite plush is Fredbear, his brother's friends take the form of the characters leaving him the odd one out like golden freddy, he dies to fredbear, the final boss of the game is Fredbear and recolor of fredbear, his fear is centered around fredbear, and Golden Freddy unlike the puppet had no unique backstory established thus far. Not saying he HAS to be fredbear, but there's just as much circumstantial stuff to link the two.

[@Hex.A.Decimal]

@@siresquawks No, I agree that he has a lot to do with Fredbear, too. That is why the character has always been frustrating to me because the tease of both makes neither as satisfying. Also, the 'fading away' scene you are referring to matches up with Puppet fading last in HD. I don't think the kid is Puppet, but there is something there. (And narratively I prefer it but whatever.) I do think he becomes either Golden Freddy or Shadow, but it's more complicated that way and sometimes I like the simpler things in life.

[@Wolfric_Rogers]

I think the theory that the Crying Child was meant to be the Puppet was probably spurred by the Freddy Files having a "THE KIDS WHO LOOK LIKE ANIMATRONICS" page.

[@Phantica]

I ain’t watching all that title defo cap tho

[@Dmrgamingdoesgames]

I thought it was very very confirmed that charlie is the puppet. I feel like this video is just kinda unnecessary? Not a bad video at all just seems like it couldve been a KZbin short lol

[@siresquawks]

This is about the theory that the Bite Victim was meant to be the retcon and retconned out of it, not that he currently is. And I had a lot to say on the matter so it became a full video.

[@Dmrgamingdoesgames]

@@siresquawks understood, my mistake.

[@Fracc6578]

Whats the point in blaming matpat for believing BT was meant to be puppet? I don't see how matpat got an influence on his fans about the theory beeing true atm

[@siresquawks]

He literally uploaded a short earlier in the year saying that he thinks the retcon was that the bite victim was meant to be the puppet.

[@funemonke_]

fnaf world isnt even cannon

[@siresquawks]

It is.

[@ethancurtsinger172]

Mean, it does have parts that is canon. Like how to get the good ending in FNaF 3 when you do the quest that 8-bit Fredbear gives you. And even at one point with a interview back in 2018 from Dawko with Scott himself he said that he regretted making FNaF World canon. Edit: also that's where the name for the pre-Mangle came from with it being Funtime Foxy which should not be confused with the Funtime Foxy one from Sister Location

[@kingofflames738]

You need to calm down with your hate for Matpat. The guy's a decent human being and great father yet you're antagonising him as if he was a terrorist sometimes. There was even a chance of you to meet up together with a bunch of other theorists. They listen to theories and if you had been there I'm sure you would have had a lot of fun.

[@siresquawks]

I hate comments like this more than I’ve ever hated Matpat. I poke fun at him, and have fun with his theories. I’ve never treated him like he was a genuinely bad person, just that I disagree with his theories. I’m allowed to disagree with our hating game theory as a whole. Hell there are theories I agree with or at least think are fun. It’s more frustrating to me that people like you can’t see that.

[@kingofflames738]

@@siresquawks you do seem rather cold when you mention it, though it seems that's not your intention.

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

Obviously