The Books I Use to Self-Learn Art --- general to specific

[@thanatos454]

I feel like, for most beginners, Scott Robertson's H2D is a bit of a tall order. Dong Ho Kim's Space Drawing: Perspective book, Framed Perspective Vol 1, or Perspective for Comic Book Artists by David Chelsea do a lot better job teaching perspective. H2D is great but it is a bit terse for someone's first foray into perspective.

[@10.000hrs]

A few people have said this, so I am going to pin this comment so that others can hopefully see it. I jumped in the deep end, it seems, and just spent months doing those exercises in the SR book and only moving on once I understood them, but the last thing I would want is for people to be frustrated and give up, so I appreciate your input and advice 💕

[@mrawesome3388]

I loved scott robertsons book as a beginner. I don’t think it’s difficult to digest if you watch the videos that are included. Just break up the book over a certain period of time and it’s good.

[@saidialifajr504]

I agree. I studied orthographic drawing in engineering school, and it was a huge help in understanding the book. Otherwise I wouldn't recommend it as a first go at perspective.

[@trip_carroll]

I've been a designer and illustrator for 15 years now. I just worked through Robertson's How to Draw book last year. It made me realize how much I missed by not diving in and understanding perspective drawing at a foundational level. I understand that it can be hard to read through and difficult to implement his lessons. But as I worked through the book, I realized that art is just hard and needs to be studied academically. It's not about how many hours you draw, it's about how much you're thinking and understanding as you draw. Similar to learning calculus, grammar, or chemistry, you need to take time to learn and understand the concepts from the book. It changes how you perceive, visualize, and execute your work. I can't recommend How to Draw enough. I'm working through How to Render now, and it's completely changing the way I approach light and shadow for my comics work.

[@thanatos454]

@@trip_carroll Sure. Nowhere did I say not to approach perspective seriously or academically. I just recommended other books that I believe do a better job laying things out gradually for beginners rather than going immediately to H2D. Yes, art is hard. We don't need to make it harder by pretending that one book it suited for everybody.

[@NieAy7]

The biggest struggle in my art journey has been not knowing what to practice, so I end up trying to learn everything at once overwhelming myself in the process. This caused me to lose all motivation and stop drawing for months on end. I feel like for the first time since I've began drawing , I finally have a road to follow that will lead me to the artist I want to be. Thank you for this guide.

[@colleenstone2243]

Literally me.

[@10.000hrs]

No problem friend! Sounds like exactly what I experienced. There sure is a lot out there. I think that focusing on specific things like drawing hands is pretty pointless when you consider that if you learn to draw three dimensionally as a sort of general concept, then you will be able to draw anything including hands. Just need to learn a little anatomy on top. General is always better than specific when trying to learn a skill. Later on you can get specific but we as humans tend to jump to specific things when we start out and then scratch our heads when we do not get the same results as the people we aspire to be like. I used to just copy all these cool anime drawings and expected to be able to draw like that from imagination if I just copied more and more 🙃 but those artists never learned like that!

[@thiagovieira800]

Great selection of books. These are basically the same as I use and study today, but it took me years to sort them out, which makes this a really useful video for begginers and intermediate artists.

[@siegfreidpercival8840]

When it comes to anatomy, I found Michael Hampton's book the most suitable for me. Right from the beginning, he emphasizes the importance of gesture and reiterates it all throughout the book so the drawn figures wouldn't get stiff. At the same time, I think it really gave a good balance between detailed vs simplified instructional illustrations. (There's a lottt of drawings to copy and learn from too). I found his approach as well to be a combination of the other classic approaches taught by Loomis and Bridgman so its like getting taught by many artists at once. But, the greatest thing about it was the fact that he uploads videos on KZbin too so you can go to his channel and find a vid of him talking about the same lesson as a supplementary.

[@10.000hrs]

Wow I did not know that! I do have that book but I don't work from it atm. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for sharing! 💓

[@thewatcherofstuff]

Finally, someone is actually answering the questions literally every artist beginning their journey is asking! This is a damn good channel. Thank you so much for sharing this insight. And yeah, like the other comments, having bought and looked it, I’m absolutely giving H2D a total swerve until I’m more advanced. I’m amazed you took that one as a beginner!

[@10.000hrs]

Thank you! I'm glad that it's seen as useful. I didn't realise honestly. I remember just looking up what was the 'best' book and that one kept coming up so I just ordered it and made a start. It took me about 4 months of daily study to get through the first parts. That meant doing those exercises again and again until I felt like I understood them enough to move on 🫠 Good luck with your own studies and thank you for watching! 🧡

[@ZoneInOn]

this is the most important video on your channel thus far i believe

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks! It's been the number 1 most asked thing, really, so I wanted to cover it in depth.

[@mikasow2002]

I wish i could tell my younger self all of this, ive spent probably over $500 on different art courses as i thought that they would teach me how to draw better, sadly most of them already taught me the same things i already knew but didn’t go into depth so it was like a waste of money for me. I found tacos book and it has helped me so much more than any of the other courses i bought. Thank you for breaking it all down, so beginner artists or other artists who are struggling with certain things can have a more in depth video with great book recommendations

[@10.000hrs]

No problem, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Sounds like you experienced exactly what I have 😅 the world we live in is so saturated with content now. Most of it just isn't any good I'm afraid. The Taco books are very well considered and teach easy bite sized lessons and tips that definitely have the potential to really help you view drawing figures through a simplified lens.

[@OoziHobo]

I've never heard anyone say Scott Robertson's HTD is for beginners. Everything you said about it is true. It's comprehensive. Says a lot with very little. And builds on itself. But the information is very clinical and dense. I would make sure whoever is learning to draw has first cultivated a love for the craft before recommending them that book. Because there's no romance to be had there.

[@Dumdum12ish]

What alternatives would you recommend for a total beginner?

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for mentioning this! I think having spoken to others who said the same thing that I may have jumped in the deep end. I spent 4 months or so working through the first couple of chapters to learn to draw basic forms from imagination, but I admit that is not for everyone. I pinned a comment to the top of this video where commenters offer some alternatives. If you have any more to add, please do so there, as hopefully people will see them! I wouldn't want people to get discouraged and quit.

[@wulfgang]

You are truly one of the most genuinely helpful and inspirational art channels out there. Your videos have helped me as much as sinix and sycra's videos and as someone who cannot afford art school or mentoring programs, I am immensely grateful for people like you who make my art journey much more enjoyable & hopeful. Thank you for your hard work and great video! Cheers

[@10.000hrs]

Wow, thanks for the kind words, friend! I'm not sure I'm as good of an artist or teacher as those two quite yet, but I sincerely appreciate the comparison. I'm just in here with you guys trying to get better! Hopefully we can all keep learning from each other and get a little better each day 🔥🔥🔥 Thanks for watching!

[@UlfricStromcloak]

Another book that I think should mention is Dynamic Bible by Peter Han. Which is a foundation part of Drawing, makes thing a lot less intimidating. You go through basic exercises that many course or books tend to gloss over, but they are fundamentals like practising drawing straight line, Ellipse, Circles, free hand drawing cubes. Subtracting or adding one primitive objects to other, how to use organic objects using contour & how to use shading with the help of textures & patterns. It helps you build that motor skill, which later he utilises in breaking down complex objects from landscape, Foliage, locomotive engine to insects, various skulls, tank, animals & what not. It makes your observational drawing & construction skill a lot stronger. Unfortunately, his previous one which he published with Kickstarter was limited. He later published an abridged version with Superani, but even that seems to be limited in print. But somehow if you can collect one then that would be a valuable asset for you.

[@10.000hrs]

Wow thanks so much I've not heard of this before but it sounds amazing. I will try and track down a copy but man rarer art books can be crazy expensive 😭

[@heartsaliveart]

As somebody who literally sees in 2D and struggles with translating form into my drawings, I personally will be buying eventually Tom Fox's book because it might help me to translate from 2d into 3d. Thank you for sharing.

[@10.000hrs]

That's exactly the problem I had. It's fine if you just want to copy things really, but if wanting to render something, or drawing things from imagination, I have found it's essential to always be thinking about how things recede into perspective as you draw them. The book will definitely help with that, specifically for drawing the human figure, but I would say that it doesn't cover much on how perspective actually works, so you might also consider purchasing a book on that if you would like to brush up on it! Thanks for watching, and good luck with your studies! 💖

[@esoopthederp7672]

Hearing you mention Kim in the present tense was an out of body moment and made me question how old these videos were for a second

[@10.000hrs]

😩 sorry I actually forget we lost him when talking sometimes. He's so full of life in his videos that I find it hard to believe he's actually gone. I'll try and correct that in any future uploads.

[@Addymesticc]

Just wanted to say i love your approach to art. The whole concept of how you discovered ways of self teaching through science is amazing, i have watched each video and will look forward to many more

[@10.000hrs]

Thank you, that's so nice of you to say. I think it was born out of frustration and really wanting to get under the hood of how the brain works and how I personally learn things so I could better at the things I care about, like drawing. I think it's something that we should be paying much more attention to, especially within schools and education. It still needs more research done at far higher levels than I can work in, but hopefully one day more people will realise just how powerful the brain is, and that they have the potential to achieve many wonderful things in their lives ✨️

[@Addymesticc]

@@10.000hrs I couldn’t have said it better myself. You inspired me quite a bit to start reading some of the books. I have purchased a while ago, I have actually got a large art book collection very similar to the one you possess, and I am looking at things a lot differently now. The human brain is such a powerful tool, and the concepts of learning are so vast and still need to be explored in many ways. We powerful beyond measure and there is so much untapped potential. I look forward to seeing more of your progress, and hopefully some of your anki cards as well lol, you’ve got a really good journey

[@someZH]

I stopped drawing and painting for many years, i hope these books help me find my way back to art again .thank you so much ❤

[@10.000hrs]

Oh I hope so too! I also stopped for 10 years or so. The thing that made me really start working on this every day again was probably a deep desire to actually finally get good at it. I had motivation. If you can figure out the 'why' bit - why you want to draw again - the rest should fall into place! Good luck with it! Do what makes you happy my friend! ❤

[@someZH]

@ Thank you so much, such a brilliant idea,figuring the “why”. That’s brilliant, I’ll try to find an answer for this question

[@NexyiaArt]

this is pretty vital! I wanted to do a video like this too and I was looking around for research, and I ended up learning a lot just from this! I love your mentality towards learning and the current issues with approaches to learning from some schools / teachers etc. While I'm only a few minutes in , I already feel confident that I am going to find the resources you listed extremely useful in my own artistic growth

[@10.000hrs]

Thank you very much! Definitely still do your video, I would love to see it. I think a lot of what I do can really be summarised as just trying to logically figure out a path from where you are right now, to where you want to be. The journey to get there will take ages though 😆 so how can we use what science knows about the brain to try and leverage it and get to that destination faster? That's where all the experiments come in! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts, I am always pleased to meet other people who are passionate about their self development as artists ❤️

[@youssefmahmoud7969]

Thank you for compiling this list. Love how you integrate meta-learning and neuroscience knowledge into your videos! I have picked up How to Draw to start out

[@SymthArt]

I am all self taught, I have never even tried to study art per say, I am starting to get to a point of repeating a unique but not new style, as I do small detailed doodle art, I really want to learn more yet I have not tried hard enough to learn. The way you do these videos are amazing.

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for your kind words ❤️ there are lots of ways to learn and everyone is different. Hopefully you get some ideas from the videos of things to try.

[@oliviajones4588]

I just love how well thought out and informative your videos are 🙌

[@10.000hrs]

Haha, thank you very much. They take quite a long time to plan and produce, but it's worth it if people like yourself find them helpful 💕

[@jameelosiefa3010]

Just subbed , i just want to say that this channel is extremely helpful. You dont find too many people talking about how to actually go about practicing Keep making videos PLEASE

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks, friend. I really appreciate it. Learning how to learn is more important than learning any single thing like drawing, chess, or chemistry, in my opinion. I have a fair amount of stuff lined up, but because I work full time, it takes me a while to edit the videos. I can only really do it on weekends, but I'll keep going 🔥 Thanks for your support. It motivates me to know that I am helping people.

[@xAprilLilyx]

I wanted to thank you for these videos, they've been very helpful in providing a more actionable plan to learning that I can build upon for my own purposes, as I'm not a beginner but am self taught and hit the wall of realizing I don't know a lot of fundamentals. All the things I need to learn have become overwhelming and I didn't feel like there was any good way to track my improvement, but your videos lay out a very good roadmap and have helped me figure out a plan for myself. I also really appreciate the science based approach and book based approach, I've found many videos and tutorials online to be lacking, never going into as much depth as I hoped. As far as books, I haven't gotten very far into it yet, but I'm really enjoying Rapid Viz by Kurt Hanks and Larry Belliston. It feels very accessible and is very interactive - many of the beginning activities you draw directly in the book (because of which I'd suggest not buying a used copy, though). As someone who has developed a lot of anxiety towards drawing and is too precious with things, it's helping me let that go. The book is about how to think and to learn how to communicate your ideas quickly through drawing. Anyway, this has become an incredibly long comment, haha. I look forward to following your progress and your videos as I get back into my own art journey!

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks so much for your comment, I am glad you found it useful. I haven't heard of that book but it sounds very promising. The idea of drawing into the book actually sounds pretty cool. I think I have definitely experienced a lot of the things you talk about which is what lead me to undertake all of this in the first place. If it helps even just a few people then I'll be happy 💖 thanks for watching.

[@lethargic1394]

I have almost every book in this video and it made me realize how much of a disservice ive done to myself by neglecting them and my fundamentals in general. and I'll start doing my best to utilize them more. your last video drawing for a 100 hrs inspired me to pick up how to draw, and tom foxes book again in an attempt to finally learn the fundamentals id neglected for so long and this video is inspiring me to pick up my books, brush off the dust and finally start reading and putting in the work to fully realize my potential. thank you

[@10.000hrs]

No problem my friend, glad it helped you out. There really are some absolute gold mines of knowledge out there. These amazing authors have done all the trial and error for us really in terms of how to draw things. We just have to put in the work to understand it and execute it well. We live in a moment where we have more information and access to it than any other point in history. You can learn everything you want to know about any subject... but not all the information out there is good 😅

[@CODBlackOps6WALKTHROUGH]

probably one of the best videos on youtube to date

[@10.000hrs]

Wow, thanks a lot, I am glad you found it so useful. I'll try my best to keep making content of the same quality. Thanks for taking the time to watch 💖

[@kattenihatten]

This information was sorely needed! I have read some of these, and own a few. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@10.000hrs]

No problem! Thanks for watching 💖

[@morrokhai]

Wonderful video! The Morpho series of books by Michel Lauricella is one I (and many others) swear by for anatomy. Much like Tom Fox, it tends to focus on the abstraction of anatomical forms into very simple primitives. Another book I love (and bet you'll love too, as you seem very technically minded) is The Practice and Science of Drawing, by Harold Speed. It's a slower, more scientific approach to explaining drawing as a phenomenon, and speaks a lot about the idea of splitting drawing into 2 distinct categories that crops up in Schmid, Korwin and Mullins' teachings. Best of luck continuing on your journey!

[@thiagovieira800]

@@morrokhai The morpho series is great. Only issue for me is that, while the second (shorter) volume focuses in construction methods similar to Michael Hampton and such, the first volume (more thorough) follows more of an academic/observation approach That's not bad per se, but I think begginer artists should know that they must have somewhat of a solid base and a diversified set of skills to tackle those books properly, specially the first volume.

[@ambk1243]

@@thiagovieira800 So what you are saying, you should start with Scott Robertson's book on how to draw and then after you have a good solid foundation of drawing then you for the Morpho series, right ?

[@thiagovieira800]

@@ambk1243 Imo, of you're mostly interested in figure drawing, you could start with michael hampton's book and videos, to get a nice grasp on figure drawing basics, then study the morpho books, for learning anatomy.

[@10.000hrs]

Ooh those all sound good. I think I heard of the Harold Speed book before but must have forgotten about it. Thanks so much for sharing, I'll be sure to check them out! 😊

[@ftg-n8n]

and morpho series actually teaches how to draw fat in anatomy, finally since none or little of these anatomy books esp older ones ive seen have anything abt it

[@farabeast2000]

This video is important, no exaggeration. thank you for this

[@10.000hrs]

Glad you find it useful! 😊💕

[@mettataurr]

Yeahhh… ive been in the - sketch/copy what others do and never think - category my whole life. Never been good at free handing and got bored just copying ppl. Time to rewatch the vid and see what books peaked my interest… thanks for your effort!

[@10.000hrs]

It's a lot of work but very rewarding. I can't draw as well as the people I admire, but I'm way stronger than I was previously and it fills me with hope that if I keep going I'll be able to draw like them! I also think that because it's hard there was some fear/ laziness on my part. I was good at copying, and bad at drawing from imagination, so I would go and copy some more because you get that little dopamine hit that you did a good job, but I learned nothing! So I had to stop being demotivated by my bad drawings and start being happy to make mistakes and see that as part of the learning process.

[@khmatrix]

Incredible video for anyone who is just starting in the arts! I took so much from this and will likely give it a rewatch for note taking!

[@10.000hrs]

Glad it helped my friend 🧡 thanks for watching.

[@Music-ct4cj]

"My Scott Robertson" is Brent Eviston. Excellent teacher and he covers from "how to draw a line" beginner until the most advanced figure drawings

[@10.000hrs]

I think someone else mentioned Brent. I'll definitely try and study some of his stuff 💪 thanks for sharing 👍

[@Music-ct4cj]

@@10.000hrs awesome. I got to know him doing a free trial on skillshare. I still have one month to go and considering paying for the subscription just because of his courses. But since you prefer books, his book is called "The Art and Science of Drawing: Learn to Observe, Analyze, and Draw Any Subject" (I haven't checked it yet)

[@10.000hrs]

@@Music-ct4cj Thanks! I'll take a look!

[@caaaaandyyyyy]

Hi! First of all, thank you for all the amazing guide and opinions, also the suggestion of books. I just want to ask a question about your journey. When did you start to actually learn how to draw, and how much time have you spent?

[@10.000hrs]

Hi! I divide that amount of time up into 2 eras really - before I took things seriously, and after I have doodled random stuff since I was a child, but when I was a teenager I discovered anime and basically just copied lots of those drawings, things like Dragonball. I got good at copying them, but never drew from life or anything like that, and whenever I tried to draw my own characters, I found I couldn't do it. So I copied more... and still couldn't. When I got to my early 20's I decided I wanted to get better and so started copying from the anatomy books... and when I tried drawing without the references I could not do it. Something was going horribly wrong somewhere, and I thought that I could just bruteforce it and keep copying until it was 'memorized' and it never worked. I stopped drawing for 10 years or so, until my mid 30's, partly due to frustration but mostly just to being an adult and having a job etc. During the covid lockdowns in 2020 I started trying again, and had in that 10 year period become interested in neuroscience for a few other things and decided to see if it could work for learning art. I made progress quite quickly over like 3 months! But I stopped again due to going back to work. Last year I decided to really try again to work like this every day and document the process in the hope that it would help other people. So total drawing time is maybe 20 years very intermittently, but all the drawing from imagination and stuff you see in these videos is a brand new skill - less than a year of study time so far. I had never painted before and decided to learn that at the same time as a total beginner, so the painting you see in my videos are the skill I have acquired in under 1 year from complete zero, so you can compare that to my drawings if it helps. Thanks for watching! I appreciate you taking time to comment! 💖

[@26apac]

@@10.000hrsi appreciate you taking time texting all that for a stranger online. great guy!

[@zrasam]

Incredible video and very good information. Thank you for doing this. But at the end of the video, I guess I'm getting information overload? As someone who wants to learn from zero, and want to create black and white manga style art, I should start with perspective before moving on to figure drawings? Because based on your anatomy books recommendation, I don't think they're teaching it from zero right? You have to know how to draw figures already. I was hoping for some kind of frame work (shapes, cylinders, etc) before drawing the muscle mass for me to learn. Sorry for asking, I'm just quite confused on where to start and its a bit frustrating lol.

[@10.000hrs]

That's okay, it can be very confusing. So for black and white manga, you will be probably drawing a lot from imagination, and so perspective will be very important. For me, and the order I am learning in, I personally feel that it helped me to understand perspective before learning to draw anatomy because it stops my figures becoming flat. The Scott Robertson book How to Draw is how I learned this, but some people feel it is too tough for a complete beginner. You might want to look for an easier book to start with, or even do video course or something if you prefer, its your choice. There are many anatomy books, but the Tom Fox one I use emphasises drawing from imagination and understanding how to construct the body using perspective. It will not really teach perspective though (it has a little bit about it) and most anatomy books do not really spend a lot of time emphasising it because they assume you will be drawing from live models or painting portraits etc. You want to draw from your head, so you need to understand each body part in 3D, and how they fit inside a box. Tom Fox's book is exactly that. This is why you should probably have a little perspective knowledge first, and at least be able to draw cubes and cylinders from any angle, from imagination. Any anatomy book would help you learn the technical parts of the body, but it's hard to be able to redraw them from imaginary angles without perspective. You might also do things like copy your fave manga panels to learn how the master manga artists use their pens, and perhaps absorb some of their style, depending on how you wish to draw. Hopefully that helps a little, but in general, begin by learning the most fundamental aspects of drawing, like perspective, and then build up to the more advanced parts. It takes a little while but I think it's worth it to give you a solid foundation to build upon ✨️ Thanks for watching! 💖

[@hugovaillaud5102]

Hey, I am currently on a one year sabbatical and decided to learn how to sketch while travelling. While seeing some progress on the first six months, I got frustrated to see my progress going slower than I expected. I was already an Anki user and I had doubt that using it for sketching would be a good idea. Then I found your channel and you convinced me. I feel like we are exploring a new and efficient way to learn art and feel very excited about that. I think you should create a discord or something, such that we can share tips on the setting of the algorithm, creation of cards and so on. Even sharing cards, as I think it is easy to do with anki :)

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for your kind words! I am working on a Discord alongside some other things but want to really make sure it's handled properly, so it probably won't be until later this year. I appreciate the interest and will announce it here when it happens. I really believe that this stuff is the instruction manual for the brain and should be taught to everyone in schools. It has the potential to make super humans of everyone, but more research is needed to prove just how effective it is. If I can raise awareness of it, at least then, hopefully, people far smarter than me will show interest and push it along further. Enjoy your sabbatical, and I wish you the very best in your learning! ❤️

[@hugovaillaud5102]

@@10.000hrs i am glad to hear that you are already on it. If you need any help, I would be glad to help with that. I have some free time to spare and i believe in this!

[@onionfield5306]

What an informative video! I would love to hear your ideas on how your selections could be broken up to create core classes to represent a four year curriculum, with a thesis type project for the end of each year. Thank you 🙂

[@10.000hrs]

I'm glad you found the information useful! That's probably a bit beyond my capabilities, at least currently. I think some of the art courses at big schools probably already have done a good enough job, so it probably wouldn't look too dissimilar to them. The difference with my situation is that I can only practice for an hour a day due to having a full-time job and all the other commitments of life. The meta-learning/ neuroscience aspect of what I use is a result of that - I have to try and squeeze the most out of my training within as little time as possible. In that regard, I would probably not create classes that required 4 years to complete. Thanks for watching! 💕

[@PhilipJensen]

You should consider having Amazon links with affiliate so you can earn a little bit on your hard work. Thanks for doing this!

[@DennisCNolasco]

Thanks for the Emma Block recommendation, I’ll have to check out her watercolor books.

[@10.000hrs]

She's a really fun artist. I think her greatest skill is actually that she eases you into painting. There's no pressure to produce anything amazing, you just have fun with the paint and eventually build up to doing more traditional studies.

[@JerryLecor]

Idc if this is a hot take but I have tom fox's anatomy book and I think it should be counted as the new loomis, bridgeman etc. It's way too good and I'm happy you showcased it.

[@10.000hrs]

I totally agree. I found it more directly applicable to drawing figures from imagination than any of the regularly touted anatomy books. I hope it continues to find a wider audience!

[@errohaze2683]

WOOHOO! You uploaded! :D

[@errohaze2683]

I'm bad at writing comments, but I've enjoyed both you're long-form content and shorts showing you're process, both informative and inspirational!

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks so much! I am very glad you find them useful! Sorry it's taken a while to upload, I have been busy at work 😅 and can only really edit the longer videos on weekends now.

[@dylanmorrison3731]

Thank you for your recommendations! I am trying to learn art with the principles I learned from Go/Baduk: the paraphrase Kageyama, what separates am amateur from a professional is their _faithfulness to the fundamentals_. I will practice the fundamentals of drawing until they become second nature :). The first book you recommended will help.

[@10.000hrs]

I haven't heard that expression before but it sounds wise. I can honestly say that very day when I study, I am really just using the fundamentals. Things like perspective and an understanding of value. Its really these things that take you further than learning to draw hands or anime faces. Everything depends on them, and every new thing you learn just builds more diversification onto them. Good luck with your studies! Or can be hard at times, but persevere and keep going! ✨️💪

[@lockm7380]

Great video, many great book suggestions, especially on painting that i haven't eally delved into yet! While i'm not as far along in the art journey as you, i did encounter many of the same obstacle blocks and revelations you mentioned, so it's interesting hearing your perspective on it all. The hardest part about learning art early on was the feeling of being lost and overwhelmed, trying to find a logical progression of build up skills. Years ago when i read Loomis he mentioned one of the most foundational skills his book was written around was Form(and the related concepts such as line, value and perspective). Unfortunately there was little mentioned on how to hone this sense of form. Only after consulting more books and videos and whatnot there came a recurring pattern of what concepts were pivotal, wasted quite some time figuring it out. So i'm really glad to see the videos you've been making as they will no doubt help a lot of others gain clarity in trying to learn art.

[@datkeckmonster-5759]

i feel the same....i was so overwhelmed and scared when i started and felt even scared sometimes that i learn some bad habits. well yes i learned bad habits that still screw with me to this day. what i found really helpfull are resources like the proko basics course. there are some things missing for the understanding of the skills but the course has so many exaples of exercises and thats what i love about it. what are your favourite resources?

[@10.000hrs]

That's exactly what I found about Loomis, too. The book mentions perspective, and I guess as artists we 'understand' that we need it, but then we get swept up in all of the muscles and stuff, and trying to learn them, and we fail to realise its kind of pointless working on that unless you get how perspective really works. One exception which I feel is the reason this fact does not get highlighted often is that when figure drawing from observation, you can get away with more just measuring angles and lengths to recreate the figure, and so less perspective knowledge is required. I think Loomis and the other big anatomy authors wrote more from that perspective. Tom Fox draws from imagination, and that's where the perspective has to be absolutely mastered, or you just won't ever succeed. That's what made Kim Jung Gi so great as well. It underpins everything. The frustration came for me when I would study Loomis, then try and draw without the book. Now I can draw any figure from any angle if I have a reference available, but still can't quite make things as good as I want from imagination with no reference. That's progress though!

[@HamburgExpress]

I think the most fun thing about art. Is that you never really forget the thing that pulled you into it. For me it was growing up watching Ghibli films and clay sculpting in highschool. So even though I specalize in creature illustration now. I tend to think more like a sculptor and paint like a matte painter for animations.

[@10.000hrs]

That's actually really fascinating. Do you think it changes the way you approach art compares to other artists?

[@HamburgExpress]

@@10.000hrs I supose I think more as a production artist. Other than figure drawing, fine art was not a big focus for me. In production art, it's important to recognize what you could be making. Exists as a small part of a whole. Knowing how something looks in movement. Or if a background is too busy. Helps, but when you reach a level of proficency in art. Game design and various methods of art, eventually enter the mixing pot of aquired skills. Atleast for me that was the case because I like exploring how other artists make art. But it may be uncommon since some people get discouraged by the work other artists. I sort of just do art for the sake of it. However I do think the industry struggles with hiring production artists. Because most artists are trained in fine art. Production art requires a refined and focused practice. With knowledge of how things are implemented in media.

[@HamburgExpress]

@@10.000hrs An easy example is Hayao Miyazaki. He thinks like an animator. Which is influenced by realism. How a person moves, can be derived from things like culture, race, age and personality. It's usually really subtle in the Ghibli films. But another aspect is the joy of making something move. A lot of the Ghibli scenes that are weird or spectacular. Are just really crazy and fun to animate. But there are specific scenes that are meant to convey the message of the film.

[@10.000hrs]

@@HamburgExpress wow that's really fascinating! I can see what you mean by the Miyazaki films. I suppose it takes a lot of time to learn to see things like that in addition to building the fundamentals. I'll consider what you've told me and try to use it to improve my own work. Thanks for taking the time to help me! ❤️

[@MrOmarRavenhurst]

A very good book I found for color theory is The Oil Painter's Color Handbook by Todd Casey, although some of it is specific to oils the color theory sections would apply to any medium and his excellent information about pigments would apply to any form of painting. Great video! I have tons of art books and some of these were new to me. Thank you.

[@10.000hrs]

That's good to know. I might grab that one. I've never tried oil paints, but will get to them eventually so the book sounds useful. I found colour to be very confusing when I started and still have a long way to go, so anything that helps is appreciated! Thanks for watching ❤️

[@jonathanlochridge9462]

So, I mostly but not completely agree. Landscapes can be a great way to learn the fundamentals of painting and composition in an easy way, Particularly when drawing from reference. Inventing landscapes is a little harder but not too much. The speed of improvement is a lot faster than ink based drawing, And it does sort of teach drawing by shapes, but not 3d perspective drawing. knowing 3d perspective and rotation of 3d forms and such can really make landscapes better. However you can make really good landscapes with less prerequisite general skills. but most of those general skills are still useful in rendering and working in other formats. In particular it sort of forces you to learn simplification, colour, lighting, and overlap in an organic way. Oh, and of course observational drawing. Doing life object studies can be great for learning lighting too. but with single objects like that it can be easy to get stuck into trying to capture every detail, even when not needed or at the expense of the volume of the objects form. I do feel like outside of landscapes that lighting and shading in general is over-rated. Value is really important though. But if the shapes are well constucted they can feel real anyways. And if your lighting is the only thing informing your lines then it won't feel solid. Which for something like a bush can be fine, but an apple, box, machine, or face? You can work with photo reference for portraits, But the amount of time that takes and the skills it improves and stresses give a lot less of a benefit unless you understand more about the actual forms and anatomy. You can just draw based on the lines of a face, but you need to now how the form rotates and how that create lines. (Starting on simple forms like boxes, spheres, etc.) From what I saw in you 100 hour video, the early stuff really reminds me of draw-a-box. Which I personally think is one of the best practice/excercise driven drawing program. And is inspired by the ideas of deliberate practice and spaced repitition in it's design. I personally think starting with that or perhaps doing wet on wet landscapes based on bob ross is probably the best starting points for deliberate improvements for new artists. Having some clear excercises is great. But, ideally you want to be taught how to make exercises of your own later based on what is read in books and the particular specialist skills you want to build once you get the core fundamentals. Also periodically taking time to practice the fundamentals in different concepts is good too. Deliberate practice of a narrow thing, with iteration and experimentation tends to result in lot's of learning and creating options that can be used in future works. Clear example is taking a 3d shape and rotating it. Start with boxes, then add other shapes, Great excercise for constuction. Or you could try learning to wrap a texture onto a form, then try putting the same texture on a lot of different forms. In composition, make like 100s of thumbnails to experiment with ideas. More smaller works you create faster tends to result in faster improvement than making big pieces. The finishing steps are important to practice too, but it's better to practice them on smaller works. Finishing up 20-30 smaller paintings to a high quality is going to give more than 5-6 big canvases that take just as long or longer to finish. Scott Robinson is great, and is actually one of the inspirations behind draw-a-box. Glad you found it. In terms of full books it's great. Although, I personally think trying to work with rotation and forms intuitively before formally learning perspective gives a lot better understanding of it. But I agree roadmap styles are great. One of the ideas I heard about learning is you ideally want at least 3 books per topic. 1. A really simple book that makes things very clear but might not go too in depth. It should ideally focus on concepts to a extent, but be aimed at someone with relatively low knowledge. Ideally it gives you some easy stuff and you can get started right away after getting the essentials but it isn't taking you too far. 2. A roadmap book that gives a clear progression of building topics in decent detail. Theses are amazing, and the best type, but ideally you can work with more than just them. Theses might be a little dense, but not too much, and ideally you can go a little bit at a time and probably not be confused at all. 3. And in depth reference or encyclopedia which dives deep into a different micro-aspect in each section, and exhaustively covers pretty much every element of that general skill. This would be a great formal color theory book, or perhaps a formal composition book, etc. Picking something from the left side for this is probably best at first, but getting one for your mediums you want to work in, styles, or type of work can be really valuable as well. Skimming one of these on the left side fairly early on can help you judge which skills you will need for the path you want. But, this style of book is best used to go back to again and again. Although, at somepoint reading it all the way through could be really valuable. Taking little pieces from it and making your own studies can really hit things home. The best ones have exhaustive examples, but in many cases won't give specific excercises but will give you the tools to make your own. Book types 1 and 3 are easiest to find, Although it can be hard to tell which type 3 books will actually help you right now. 2 other major types can be really useful, but I find help a whole lot more after the fundamentals are down. 4. Then maybe you can get more narrow books from the 3rd books bibliography which do even deeper dives into narrow sub-aspects that particularly interest you one at a time. Example of this might be a book on color theory specifically for landscapes in a certain medium. Or alternatively specifically diving into working with a desatured palette more generally, or some particular palette. Sometimes youtube videos fall into this range. Usually in the 30 min to 2 hour length. Featuring an example together with a lecture. But they essentially show a clear application of a theory and you might pick up some of the theory from it and really dive in deep, but aren't exhaustively covering every element. Or a deep dive into drawing trees or rocks or hands in particular. etc. 5. Books about the philosophy that goes into a technique or skill, with application. Examples of this would scott mcloud's "Understanding Comics" and "reinventing comics" They often talk quite a bit about art style and constraint in art, and the meta level of how we can use techniques strategically to create an emotional effect, or to create additional contrast. Things like level of detail can be used not only to imply distance, but to draw attention to things that are important. Or even style. Some comics will draw or paint the protoganist in multiple styles effectively depending on the context to hammer in the emotions of the scene. Those books also dived a ton into all the creative ways we can use panel layouts, and other things. These books are amazing for breaking through plateaus or helping you create really strong visions for your art. Or open your eyes to new subtle tools for creatively bending the rules. I kind of agree with video vs. book. Although, I think the guided painting a particular piece for a particular purpose without fastforwarding together with techniques to force a faster turn-around time can be really effective for learning. I know people who did that really well with pixel art, as well as some landscape series particularly focused on the usage of desaturated colors to effectively pull things together. And for an old classic example, things like bob ross would fall into that to an extent. I do personally think the 1 hour length is better than 30 minutes for this type. 15 minute videos can be great, but they tend to be more like a video essay about the topic being spoken as a piece of art which kind of fits the technique is done underneath. But I agree that actively studying and pouring over less books more times is better.

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for such a detailed and informed comment. I really enjoy it when those more experienced than me share their thoughts and findings! What you mentioned with regards to producing many shorter length works vs a handful of very long works is my preferred approach, although interestingly I have had some pros here recommend the opposite. They claim that they learned more by spending 40 hours on a single painting! Each to their own I guess. I think that currently because landscapes tend to involve painting things some distance away, I see them more as flat shapes, because they are more like working in perspective as if through a telephoto lens. This would be in contrast to say, painting a figure up close to us where the perspective very clearly affects the forms. There seem to be different ways to approach drawing and painting that I am beginning to explore more, like drawing the silhouette of a figure vs constructing it from 3D volumes. Or painting shapes vs drawing lines. It's all really interesting stuff, and people have been playing with it for centuries! It's hard to find the truly useful stuff within the blizzard of content we live in nowadays but I think you made some great points that will help me a lot going forward! Thanks again! 💖

[@jonathanlochridge9462]

@@10.000hrsGlad you liked the post. Yeah, agree landscapes are a little more 2d or flat typically. You can design a landscape with a planned perpective and use greater ammounts of foreshortening to really great effect. I think that is more powerful with urban scenes that also involve objects. or buildings. But where a single object isn't the focus. Particularly if you preserve the principle of having the most detail in the foreground, I have been brainstorming an urban "landscape" piece that I think will be really cool using some ideas like that. I was thinking of having it set at a stop light in front of an overpass/bridge. And then setting the POV lower to the ground than normal head height. So that I could give it a 1 point perspective. You can see the other side of the bridge. And there are multiple nested partial frames. The stuff past the bridge. The edge of the road under the bridge. The traffic light, the bridge itself. And then for the closest I was thinking of having like a quarter panel of a car of something? So there was a big, really detailed wheel of a car mostly out frame drawn with pretty strong foreshortening. I think it could have a pretty powerful effect. I mostly do like comic art and landscape art, I am good at inking, and pretty good at perspective rotation, color, etc. Although, my anatomy is sort of meh. I know how to do gesture well enough to make like good silhouettes and zoomed out people. And I can also do faces pretty well. And sometimes torsos and close up hands. But trying to put together a whole human form that looks real and is decently zoomed in. (enough for the face to have any real detail.) Is sort of too much for me. Closest I can get is like humanoid robots like mecha and such, since by having it broken down further In to simpler shapes I can work with it easier, but when the shapes are that boxy and I try to make it an actual person they can kind of end up looking a bit mechanical. From the stuff you have shown so far, I think your basic line art drawing, and your anatomy seem to be the areas where you have improved the most. Your anatomical figure drawing look pretty good, better than what I can manage and I have been doing art for a couple years. Of course anatomy hasn't been one of my main focuses. I do occasionally do studies on small aspects of it. (hair, hands, eyes, ears, teeth and mouths, face geometry, etc.) I also do photography, Which is great for helping you to understand light better. And also getting great reference. Setting up a video or photo camera on a tripod and a remote trigger, and grabbing a couple cheap portable and adjustable lights and taking pictures of your own face in lot's of different lighting setups and angles is great for getting a better idea of how things work more smoothly. Of course book references are great for that too. I do view the more detailed elements of lighting as being a little bit more advanced ideally. But, it is one of the areas where I think live reference, (Or possibly using lit 3d models) Is a lot better than photos, at least until you learn how to manipulate light. Since a mastery of lighting comes not from simply being able capture the lighting that is, (Although that is important.) But rather being able to shape lighting as a tool under your control in a consistent way. I have been reading color and light recently and that book is really good, and I have been learning a lot from it. Even though it is technically for a different discipline, reading some books on film or photography lighting and practicing it a little to create some studies can really bring great results when it comes to painting. More generally, in the long term. Looking to other disciplines that also use a similar tool, principle, or concept can often give a fresh perspective on a topic and illuminate more about how something really works. Although, to an extent, some of that sort of thing has already been done and illustrated in the "color and light book" so there is less of a need to go to other disciplines for education as there might have been in the past.

[@10.000hrs]

@@jonathanlochridge9462 sounds like a cool painting. You clearly have well thought out plan to learn the things you want to improve at! I hope to do the same! Thanks again for all the detailed information!

[@datkeckmonster-5759]

love the video! your content always makes me want to draw and paint! as for recommendations...well it isn't connected to drawing and i'm still testing it out. a course on how to learn how to learn, it's called "i can study" from dr. justin sung. he has a lot of free lessons on his youtube and the course is costs per year. as i said i'm still testing it out, but i really love it this far. it kinda transforms your brain to grasp concepts faster and more indepth. hope this helps and pls keep making content, i love your shorts and main content!! have a great day

[@10.000hrs]

Awesome! I have watched a lot of his KZbin videos, he's a great guy. I haven't checked out his course but it sounds like the sort of thing I would be interested in, so I might look into it! Thank you for sharing with me, and you have a great day too 💗

[@Hynixuk]

- Know the form first - Simplify it - Use anki to remember notes

[@sleepydude935]

You are inspiring me, I'm gonna give it a shot and try this neuroscience approach. Man, you did not mention how big of a book the 4-hour chef is... I love cook books so im excited to break into it, but man huge book.

[@10.000hrs]

Haha its a weird book. Definitely unique as cook books go. I haven't tried much of the recipes beyond the first few but I will at some point. If you can understand the things he talks about in the first chapters though, about deconstructing skills, that will help you in many ways at anything you care to learn!

[@mrmouse4121]

Question: Have you thought about opening a discord channel? Having a community which shares both their daily practice (without criticism, to avoid toxisity), neuro-biolgy articles and learning tricks, recommendations and experiences for books and other art resources (none pirated), tips and tricks with Anki and card constructions, and so on, might (hopefully, if used properly) help push and develop the method.

[@thedarkwolf5637]

Exactly what I was going to ask me I've gotten anatomy better but not perfect and need advice to know what best to start working on and I can't shade for shit a discord will help so much

[@10.000hrs]

This is the second most requested thing besides the books I use 😆 I am actually working on one but want to ensure it's structured correctly. I'll announce it when it's ready which still might be a little ways off. Maybe within the next couple months. Thanks for the interest! I do think the community that is quickly building here needs a place to work together and experiment.

[@10.000hrs]

Its in the pipeline! Hopefully within the next few months. Want to do a good job on it and atm my work is a bit crazy 🤪 I am planning some things to go alongside it

[@thedarkwolf5637]

@@10.000hrs can't wait then for when it's ready and take the time u need for everything to be sorted ur health is best

[@uraveragejoe3883]

I think have all but 3 of the books you mentioned in this video, I'm slowy working my way through them but now I wish I used the scott robertson book way earlier in my art journey. Looks like it'll be my next book after morphos folds and creases

[@10.000hrs]

I've not got any Morpho books yet, so I'll pick them up. They seem to be the most mentioned here in the comments.

[@expressof0x]

Wow! I think I just found the art youtube I've been looking for for YEARS!

[@10.000hrs]

Welcome aboard! Hope you find your time here useful and enjoyable! I appreciate the support 💖

[@bharat5194]

Thanks! What would be your book recommendation for someone who wants to learn figure drawing and human anatomy from scratch?

[@10.000hrs]

I really think the book 'Drawing Form and Pose' by Tom Fox is very good because it encourages you to draw the figure as a three dimensional form, and breaks down all the body parts into simple boxes and other shapes to make drawing them from imagination easier. You would need to know a bit about how perspective works to appreciate this though, and be able to draw boxes in perspective pretty well first. A lot of people also recommended the anatomy books by Morpho although I have not tried them yet myself. Hope that helps!

[@cheddershredder]

Really happy ive found your channel. Seeing your progress has really encouraged me to improve myself. Would you ever do a video on the steps you took to improve anatomy? Youve covered it in past vids but a whole video dedicated to it would be a godsend. I myself am struggling to figure out how to know Im good enough at form, how to learn bones and muscles and how much time to dedicate to this and more. Im still shite at drawing poses from memory whereas you seem to have become really good. Anyway, thank you for your amazing videos!

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for your comment, and I am glad you find the channel useful. It is very overwhelming! I pretty much work from the books shown at the moment to learn anatomy, and to 'memorise' it, I use spaced repetition. I only train for 1 hour a day currently, mostly due to time constraints with work. To give you an example, you will see in my daily shorts I currently spend a lot of time working on the head. This is me studying directly from the Tom Fox book, learning the anatomy. More importantly than this, however, is the knowledge I have that underpins anatomy, which is working hard on being able to visualize and draw solid looking three dimensional objects. When I draw a figure, I am literally imagining boxes and cylinders in space, and I usually have to physically draw those in to build the space for the figure to sit in. More advanced artists can just draw the figure without these guides, but I still need them. While I can now draw poses and figures from imagination, I still actually have quite a limited knowledge of anatomy, and so what I am doing to get around this is drawing a figure from a photo reference (I use Proko) and then imagine what the figure would look like from a different viewpoint. That's what you see in this video. This forces me to draw the boxes for the torso, head, etc in 3D and in perspective, and use the photo ref as an anatomical guide I am forced to modify. This in turn, forces you to really think of anatomy in 3D, as volumes, and I initially found it brain meltingly hard. To keep things simple, I recommend forgetting about muscles and bones until you can draw these containing volumes. Draw the figure as boxes and cylinders, then you will be able to add detail to those forms. I have found this practice to be one of the main ways I have been able to boost my understanding of form and anatomy at the same time 💪 So the anatomy is important, but can only be as good as my ability to draw boxes in 3D perspective! I will try and produce some more specific videos on subjects like this in the future once I have a bit more experience under my belt. Hopefully that makes sense, but if there's anything else I can help with, please let me know!

[@cheddershredder]

@@10.000hrs Woah, thank you again for such a detailed response! I'm definitely going to get serious with learning form then. It's really motivating seeing someone in the same position as I am make so much progress and gain this much knowledge through their own research. I'm also someone who has been drawing anime as a hobby for most of my life who now has limited time to practice, haha Take all the time you need! Keep up the great work!

[@anyajohnson4471]

Brilliant video - thank you so much!

[@10.000hrs]

Glad it was helpful! ❤️

[@kioneart4901]

I love 3dtotal books. I have some about procreate, anatomy, art fundamentals all 3, they are grate books!

[@10.000hrs]

They have some great stuff. They also have some free stuff which is really good if you haven't visited their site in a while!

[@dkgametv]

The first three minutes nail why I keep giving up on drawing. It feels like none of the “beginner tutorials” out there are actually made for real beginners.

[@10.000hrs]

Yeah, it's a mine field. There are some good courses. Proko, in particular, seems quite good, but a lot of them are expensive and often repeat material that is included in these books anyway. It also depends on what you actually want to end up doing and the type of work you want to produce. I am dubious of these large companies like LearnSquared that promise to take you to the level of a pro concept artist by simply signing up for their course and following along. Most of them actually give very little time to making sure the student is thoroughly grounded in the fundamentals.

[@AnthonyGeorge-w2t]

A very good video . Good luck to Learners/Students

[@10.000hrs]

Haha, it is a very big field, which is why attempted to break it up into a so what logical progression that people can at least consider a bit more coherently. On the plus side, depending on what you wish to do within art, a lot of this can be skipped. For example, if you want to do watercolour landscapes, then you need to anatomy, only really basic perspective, the tools are quite simple, etc. But you would maybe have to sink more tome into composition, values, and mastering the watercolours themselves!

[@captainachievement9891]

I'm actually curious as to how you set up your camera. I've been wanting to record my progress in a manner similar to yours, but don't have any experience with cameras or filming.

[@10.000hrs]

For sure! I just went on Amazon and looked at table mounted phone/camera supports. There are a bunch but mine was a cheaper one and so far it's pretty good. It has a USB powered light that you can use and just attaches with a clamp to the side of my table. For a camera, at the moment I use my old Samsung phone 😅 and got a decent SD card to store the video footage. I would like to buy a proper camera at some point. To edit things I actually just use CapCut because the learning curve is very easy. Hope that helps. If you want to know anything else, feel free to ask! Thanks for watching! 💕

[@captainachievement9891]

@@10.000hrs this is super helpful! Thanks for sharing the info.

[@sthitapranjyapatra8384]

What's your next video is about? And thanks for your suggestion and i was doing the same mistake by learning specific books not the general ones thank you so much

[@10.000hrs]

It's easily done! We as humans tend to have a tendency to focus on the end result and overlook the stuff underpinning it all. The next video I release will be a recap of my progression over 200 hours and should release in a couple of weeks depending on my work. The next video in this series will be about how the brain physically learns, like... biochemically speaking, and how we can use that to leverage rapid skill acquisition for very specific aspects of art in around 1 month. The problem is that to run the experiment I need to record 20+ hours of drawing footage and haven't got time until maybe late August 😅 but I'm in the planning phase Thanks for the interest!

[@sthitapranjyapatra8384]

@@10.000hrs ok thx and welcome too🙂👌🏻

[@genestone4951]

I'd never heard of 3D Total, so thanks very much for that. I'm in the process of designing my learning path, so much appreciated.

[@10.000hrs]

No problem, friend. They have some pretty cool stuff available for free if you haven't looked there yet. Thanks for watching!

[@theartofnemo]

Great video, and very comprehensive list!

[@theartofnemo]

By the way, I just noticed you use a high tech C around the 20min mark :D great choice! It's my favorite pen

[@10.000hrs]

Yes! It's actually the one Scott Robertson recommends, which is how I ended up using it 😅 good to know that others enjoy it as well. Thanks for watching, and I am glad you found the video useful 💕

[@williammclean6594]

I've heard that Scott Robinson's book is really hard. What level of drawing do you think you would have to be at before you start it? Because I tried to use it a long time ago and when I first started and it was really confusing.

[@10.000hrs]

A few people mentioned this. The comment pinned to the top of this video has some helpful alternatives that a viewer recommended to ease artists into it. I actually jumped right in and just really worked on it despite finding it hard. I spent 4 months or so just working the same exercises every day and only working on the next part when I really felt like I understood things. It did take a while but I feel it was worth the effort. I think it's probably a personal thing, but there are parts of learning to draw which are tough, same as learning anything. With enough time and practice, you can learn anything, though! Meta-learbing is learning about yourself and how you take information on board information, when to slow down, when to break things up into even smaller steps, and funding alternative ways of looking at a problem until you totally comprehend it 💪 Everyone has this ability, so I know you have what it takes to be successful 💖

[@williammclean6594]

@@10.000hrs I might get it and start working on it again. Most art books don't really have any assignments, so it's nice that this one has exercises. Most art books. Just give you that information and you don't have any way to practice it unless you do it yourself. I guess with anatomy books you look at the pictures and when they show you how to construct the body parts from shapes then you just practice doing that. But a lot of perspective books. They just give you the concepts and don't give you any sort of exercises

[@10.000hrs]

Very true! I have had to make my own exercises for the vast majority of the books I have experimented with. Some of the 3D Total books are quite good. Even if they don't always give you a direct experiment to try, they break down a concept in such a way that you can experiment with it by playing around.

[@fuahuahuatime5196]

Thanks! Bought the color and light book.

[@10.000hrs]

No problem! It's a great book. Probably the one that's propelled my understanding of colour the furthest.

[@viniciusedu5763]

that was helpful, please don't delete the video.

[@10.000hrs]

I'll keep it there for you, I got you 💗 thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful!

[@fatmat4747]

Once again a amazing informative and helpful video

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks so much my friend, I appreciate you taking the time to watch 💖

[@sajjadabouei6721]

really really valuable video thank you man

[@10.000hrs]

No problem! Thanks for checking it out ❤️

[@JJSmalls]

Great video. Add affiliate links to the books in the description, thanks.

[@ay9705]

Thanks for all the Art books recommendation! I'll buy them too!

[@10.000hrs]

No problem! They helped me for sure. Lots of people are recommending other books here in the comments too, so if any seem to hard, consider these recommendations too 💕 thanks for watching!

[@kamaji6081]

Great video, thanks alot for this.

[@10.000hrs]

You are very welcome 💕 thank you for watching

[@shawhit8155]

A watercolor book recommendation: Gregory MacKenzie's _The Watercolorist's Essential Notebook_. His exercises are not as progressive as Blocks' but the book is out-of-this-world strong in introducing the Technical Skills Pilar. (The book also comprises the first half of his _The Complete Watercolorist's Essential Notebook_; the second half is _The Watercolorist's Essential Notebook - Landscapes_.)

[@shawhit8155]

Come to think of it... it would be interesting to brainstorm ways to create one's own exercise progression for books that do not already have this format. In this particular case, I prefer MacKenzie's style to Block's (no reflection whatsoever on her, just personal taste). One may be able to cross reference exercises from Block (or Jenna Rainey's _Everyday Watercolor_, which I have completed) and use them as structures in which to insert MacKenzie's content.

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for your suggestion! I'll put it on the list! Interestingly I have found that most books do NOT follow the logical, linear format, and so I am required to come up with a challenge for most of the books I study from, turning each pages concept into a challenge. I don't know honestly why more artists don't make books that are more helpfully laid out 😅 I think that's the difference between a good artist and a good teacher - they are not always the same thing sadly

[@philipp_mn]

I have a bit of a hard time looking for which books I should get now xd I have tacos but as you mentioned I have the issue with lag of 3d knowledge is quiet a problem for me so i want to go a bit of basic with 3d understanding. also looking for colour theory, how to compose etc. xd

[@10.000hrs]

Well for drawing figures in perspective as 3D forms I think the Tom Fox is probably the best on the market. The issue is, it doesn't tell you much on how to draw in perspective - it assumes you can already do this. Not sure how comfortable you are on your perspective but if you find the Fox book tough, it might be worth revisiting some of it. The science of how colour works and how to use it, I think the 3D Total book I cover is good, but the James Gurney book gies a bit more into light, colour, and how they can be used to invoke emotion or tell stories. For composition, if you are interested in story telling, Framed Ink seems to be the industry leader, but I think this also the easiest artistic skill pillar to reverse engineer from other works, such as paintings, comics, and even movie stills.

[@philipp_mn]

@@10.000hrs I already made my first purchases xD currently waiting for "framed perspective by marcos, and artist master series: Colour and Light, and Composition and Narrative). I do own Tacos first chapter already of point character drawing. I will keep framed ink into mind. about the rest idk. are your mentioned books similar to these which I bought? (all of them are a bit pricy, therefor I am a bit careful with spending money for my book collection xd)

[@10.000hrs]

That's cool! There is actually a Framed Ink 2 as well. I only found out it existed yesterday 😆 all of the books I mentioned I would say are very good depe ding on your goals but they are generally quite expensive 🥲 a lot of art books are I guess they just are expensive to produce. I try to buy kindle versions because they are a bit cheaper and easier for me to make flash card decks from, bit it's so nice to have a physical book that I question it sometimes 😆

[@philipp_mn]

@@10.000hrskindle would be cool but I dont own one. It would be a lot more easier to travel with. the master class books are like giant monoliths. I do think I will stick to these books first. Even though with Meds (I have adhd and take meds) I struggle to keep my focus on reading lmao. these 300 pages will take a long time to go through. but thats alright. Its nice to have an activity that gets you away from your computer.

[@gato_bry]

this video is so good thank you

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@gato_bry]

@@10.000hrsof course! another question, for scott robertsons “how to draw” book, have you been finding the material difficult to understand completely? because i am struggling quite a good amount 😅

[@10.000hrs]

@gato_bry Yes, I did initially. But that's why I studied it repeatedly using anki, even just working on the same part of the book every day until you really understand it. There is one part on rotated tilted planes that for some reason is way more difficult than anything else in the book, and it's almost out of place compared to everything else, that I still struggle with. The good news is that it's not really essential unless you are drawing something like a vehicle. I built little paper models to try and understand how the hell the perspective works in those situations. Some people have recommended in the comments that they feel the book is too hard for total beginners and recommended a book called 'Sketching: The Basics'. You might consider checking that out, and there are also courses on places like Proko and Drawabox which might be a gentler introduction. I haven't used any other book to learn perspective and form, I literally just persevered with the SR book and only started working on the next page when I felt totally confident with what it was asking me to do. I would say the entire process took me about 3 or 4 months, and it was all I was studying at the time, in the pre-youtube days of this experiment. Finally, some of the neuroscience stuff I look at suggests that for you to develop the fastest, you actually are better off attempting things that are slightly beyond your grasp, which is another reason I used the book. Thanks for your feedback though! My aim is to help people and everyone's experience differs. If enough people are saying the book is too hard then that's my bad and I take full responsibility, but the use of this book has created some absolute beasts when it comes to drawing, so it must be worth the effort 🔥

[@gato_bry]

@@10.000hrs thank you so much for the well thought out comment i appreciate it 😭 honestly, just feels better knowing it’s not/wasn’t just me 😅 i think its worth the 3-4 months or so if im able to draw like that (for me). i dont mind the wait as long as im learning and able to go at my own pace. but we’ll see how i progress. i’m planning to use “perspective made easy” first to build on the pre existing knowledge of perspective i have. i think if you’re looking into courses about perspective, i think it’d be worth checking out Marshall Vandruffs course on gumroad, it’s 12 dollars, 1 dollar per 25-30 minute video and it’s a recording of his lessons taught in a college setting from 1994. it may feel weird at first especially since it’s on a chalk board but it still works. its called Perspective Drawing Series (1994). that’s the knowledge i had before jumping into SR’s book.

[@10.000hrs]

@gato_bry Cool, thanks for sharing that, I hadn't heard of that but it looks good. I have found that sometimes a certain person or course or book jus6 explains it in a way that makes sense to you, but it also may be a case of you end up hearing it from a specific source at a time where you hit the inflection point and finally understand it! Either way having it explained by multiple teachers is rarely a bad thing. Yeah keep going! I don't know you, but I promise you that you possess all the skill and intelligence needed to master this and understand everything in that book 🔥💖🔥 we all do. It just takes a little time to ease yourself into it and pick it up. Good luck with it! Let me know how it goes!

[@M00nlord]

Great collection of books! very inspiring and I'll be filling up my collection with some of these. I hadn't heard of Tom Fox before and his book looks incredibly appealing! on the topic of detailed anatomy, I think your analysis is correct that when we focus on learning how to construct the figure it's helpful to only focus on simplifying things into volumes and placing them in 3d-space, and with that a simplified understanding of anatomy is most beneficial. But once we have a general understanding of how to draw the muscles it's time to dive into details. I personally don't like the drawings in the "Anatomy for 3D artists" that much. Two other books on this subject that I can highly recommend are "Human Anatomy for Artists" by Eliot Goldfinger and "Artistic Anatomy" by Paul Richer. They offer beautiful, highly detailed drawings of anatomy that I find more applicable for 2d artists. Another book on drawing I can highly recommend is "Fundamentals of drawing (english version) by "Mogilevtsev, a teacher at the russian academy. He breaks down the russian process of constructive drawing and especially focuses on understanding edge breaks in the planes for accuracy. It's the best source I have found on doing detailed constructive drawings, and if you're familiar with russian drawings of constructive anatomy you'll see how good they are at drawing the form in 3D from "inside out" compared to the french school which relies more on the the 2D shadow shapes.

[@10.000hrs]

OK wow I've not heard of any of those but they sound very promising, especially the Russian one! I think understanding when you can 'get away with' drawing in 2D is useful because it's far simpler. But for drawing from imagination you really need to have that 3D perspective thinking down, and it's way harder to learn. Thanks so much for sharing these, I will definitely look into them! 🙏

[@thelads4057]

A question would you say drawing from imagination and treating references as more like sources of information has helped you improve so fast in such a short time span?

[@10.000hrs]

I would, yes. I tend to have a reference up, but draw it from another angle that I do not have access to, like from above or below or the other side. This forces me to imagine how the body would look contained in box volumes, which I then draw as if viewed from this new perspective. In that sense, all I am ever doing is drawing boxes from different angles! I just fill them with different stuff. I find that if I draw the reference directly, I tend to think about it more as if a flat 2D shape, like how you might approach Bargue/ observational drawing. This might be the thing you actually want to get good at, for example if you are an aspiring portrait artist and do not care about drawing from imagination, but it's not my focus personally. Reference is essential to internalise the things you want to draw, but I don't think you get very far just drawing what you see. You have to imagine it, and then turn it around in your head and draw it from different angles. Hope that makes sense! Thanks for watching 💕

[@mudins]

this video is what i needed

[@10.000hrs]

Glad it helped 💕

[@JameelYa]

Thanks bro, always appreciated... Great Content 👍

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks for watching! Glad you found it useful and hope it helps you 💫

[@AnthonyGeorge-w2t]

Soooooooooooooooo....much to learn 😱😱😱😱😱

[@danielgillespie6689]

This may be a dumb question. But how does everyone learn from these art books? Im a complete beginner, do i start by copying the drawings from them first, and then work towards applying them? So confused.

[@10.000hrs]

I was totally confused in the beginning so I can understand what you mean! It depends on if you want to draw the things you see around you accurately (think portraits of friends) or things from your imagination (think game concept art) because the latter is much more difficult and really requires a lot of skill in understanding how things like perspective work! Specific studying habits depend on the book really. The first couple I mention are actually structured linearly, and feature exercises that you can literally do to workthrough these concepts! So you can use them as a guideline to follow. The How to Draw one is how I learned everything I can do, but the current feedback is that it's pretty tough going for total beginners, so an easier book might be worth trying first. Or just persevere and take your time. I spent 4 months just working through the first parts, because I wouldn't progress until I felt I really understood each part 🫠 Anatomy books and the like are a lot less linear, and you can pick something in there you want to improve on like hands and work on that. You might want to sketch directly from the books, but in my experience that is quite limiting after a while. Once you feel like you can draw something from the book, I would recommend trying to draw it from imagination or from other different angles uaing a reference to prove to yourself that you understand the subject as if it were really 3D. Some people also prefer courses to books, so be sure to check some out to see if you prefer them, and above all EXPERIMENT! How you learn is personal to you, and by just trying different things you will find stuff that you really resonate with, and other things that seem less helpful. Good luck with your studies! I hope this helps at least a little! 💖

[@Jmetoyer]

The artists drawing book by Katy Lipscomb and Tyler Fisher is a great 👍 beginner friendly book that I recommend

[@10.000hrs]

Oh! I've not heard of this one before but I will certainly check it out! Appreciate you sharing the tip! 💫💕

[@Jmetoyer]

@ no problem I feel it will help you on your journey 🤞

[@kbkksh91]

Nothing but kino mentioned. Instant sub

[@10.000hrs]

Thanks friend, appreciate it. 💕

[@XeB9701]

It’s been 3 or so months and I cannot draw the loomis head at all. This unfortunately marks my time to put down the pencil. Cheers, good luck guys!

[@10.000hrs]

Nooo!! I won't try to convince you to try again if that's what you have truly decided, but I will say this... any time I struggle with the things I am working on, and I just can't get them to stick, I try to make them even simpler. I cut them up into smaller more manageable chunks (this is actually called chunking) and then work on the simpler problem until I feel I could progress. I can honestly say that if I had not learnt about that, I probably would not be drawing today. I gave up for like 10 years because I couldn't do it, and now I feel like it's time I could have used improving 😅 You might feel better after a break, maybe come back stronger, but at the same time if you have had enough I totally respect that and your effort so far. Do what makes you happiest my friend! ❤️✨️

[@pingew]

it's not mentioned in the video, but does anyone here have any experience with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards?

[@hatebreeder999]

Never read that book but I am practicing some exercises mentioned in that book for past few weeks and its producing amazing result Here are exercises 1. Draw only sillouetes and that too inverted 2. Draw some parts of negative space 3. Sketch inverse gestures

[@10.000hrs]

I've never read that one but would be interested in checking it out! Thanks for bringing it up here 💞

[@thanatos454]

@@pingew I think it can be great for people who struggle with observational drawing. There is a switch you have to flip to draw what is actually there and not what you think is there. For people who have already figured out how to switch into that mode, it overcomplicates what is essentially the process of training yourself to pay attention to detail. Again, the exercises can be useful for the hard cases. From what I understand the Left/Right brain dichotomy model has mostly fallen out of favor for understanding the brain and is just fluff. The message that everyone can learn to draw is absolutely true. If you need that fluff to keep you from stressing about it then have at it Hoss! I know you can do it, regardless.

[@northwestrex]

A bit late but if you ask me, Keys to Drawing is a newer and better book for observational drawing.

[@thanatos454]

@@northwestrex I am not sure it is the newer of the two but I'd recommend it over Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, for sure.

[@xBifkin]

Are books alone enough when you are starting out? Will they get you to a good drawing level if you apply yourself?

[@10.000hrs]

I think they are, but you can use whatever else you want. I started out just copying characters from video game manuals with no tutorials or books or anything when I was a kid, and got good at copying just from that alone. I never learned to draw from imagination until much later, and used books for that. Everyone learns differently so you might prefer a course, or even going to art school, but I really believe that you can learn enough from books to get to high levels. Certainly enough to get beyond the beginner phase.

[@serbrawl7981]

thank you

[@10.000hrs]

You are very welcome 💖 thanks so much for watching

[@serbrawl7981]

@@10.000hrs no

[@SerioParadeverissoporfavor]

This is more like a rant, what I'm going to ask now, but have you ever felt demotivated when trying to study drawing even though you had expectations for the rest of the weekend thinking about studying, getting resources and study material like books and references in PDF format so that at the end I'll come that nihilism and annoyance of questioning whether it's worth studying drawing. this has been bothering me for a while and disturbing my studies

[@10.000hrs]

Well, I only study for 1 hour a day, and so for me, it's like a small time frame that I can focus on wholeheartedly, and then I have to go do other life stuff. I look forward to it because it's an hour I can spend experimenting and working on developing something I am passionate about. The book scanning, finsing resources etc. was done over quite a long time very gradually (4 years and counting), so it's not like I found and scanned every book and made cards all in one go. That would have worn me down big time if I tried to do that in, say, a few weeks 😭 As a result, I've personally never really burnt out or felt like taking a day off, and I think this very small work loading is key to developing a habit. I do a little every day, over a long time period. If I tried to draw for 8 hours a day I think I would potentially either burn out, or lose interest. 1 hour a day is easy, and I make progress over time. Like drops filling a bucket. Everyone is different, but if you feel like it's too much, I would recommend doing less drawing, but making that smaller amount more meaningful (focus on weak points, or something you really enjoy). You might even want to take a break from drawing for a short while to just reset and disconnect from it before coming back refreshed. Hope that helps!

[@VictorAugustus]

I think you'll find more great books in this video: 50 Books to learn Art Fundamentals - Drawing, Painting, and Design - From Beginner to Advanced by What I've Learned In Art. Good luck on your journey!

[@10.000hrs]

Wooaah! Thanks for this! I'll definitely give it a watch and see what I can pick up! 💫💪

[@suoicsiv]

10000 hours almost at 10000 subscribers is poetic.

[@10.000hrs]

Hahaha, I need to take a screenshot when it happens!

[@suoicsiv]

@@10.000hrs you did it!

[@10.000hrs]

@suoicsiv 🥰 Thanks! Literally could not have done it without you and the support of everyone here, and I am incredibly grateful. I'll try my best to keep making content that others find useful. I want to do something to celebrate, which I am working on hopefully this weekend... It might be another few weeks before I can share it, though...

[@szniok]

Could you share your Anki cards? Or is it a Patreon feature?

[@10.000hrs]

I can't share them because they are book scans and therefore I would be pirating the books of artists who I want to support 🥲 but I am looking into ways to try and release some original anki decks for free that get the same lessons across

[@mardessa1]

Would you be able to do a deep dive into how you use Tom Fox’s book? I’ve found that book really confusing at times.

[@10.000hrs]

I will probably do some more specific videos on the exercises I do further down the road when I feel very good at them. The book relies heavily on an understanding of perspective and being able to think in 3D. If you can learn to see everything Tom does as being boxes, this makes it 100x easier to recreate what he is doing. He simply uses boxes to represent body parts which makes them simpler to understand and recreate at will from any angle - if you can draw boxes in perspective well! I use the book to work in a single concept at a time, and I don't really move on until I feel very familiar with what I a trying to learn. I like to draw the things he has draw from imaginary angles, which forces me to consider how they are constructed and fit together so I can redraw them from new viewpoints. Once I feel I understand it, I work from life photos, or even jus purely from imagination to try and replicate what I have studied with no help. It's a gradual process each time for each new thing I learn.

[@drpg11]

Todd Casey’s Oil Painter’s Guide is better than Gurney’s book and the other you mentioned. Also The Julien Drawing Course is better than the Bargue course since the Bargue course is just the Julien course just easier. But it wont teach you how to Draw Form. For anatomy I’d reccomend gottfried Bammes

[@10.000hrs]

Thank you for your suggestions! I've not checked out any of those yet but I definitely will!

[@nowa881]

you never heard about peter han?

[@10.000hrs]

I have seen Peter Han's work. He's very talented. I am very inspired by artists like him who can draw so well from their imagination.

[@AnthonyGeorge-w2t]

Soooooooooooooooo.....much to say !😱😱😱😱

[@Selrisitai]

Bro, where's my next vid? Like, dawg, I need to know what happens next. A month, that's like a hundred more hours.

[@10.000hrs]

Haha, thanks for the interest! There should be a review of my most recent 100 hours dropping within the next 2 weeks. I have a few others I am working on, but they will take a little longer to materialise. Unfortunately, my job has been a bit crazy since May, and it's left me with very little time to make the longer videos, so I just chip away at them slowly.

[@DoomSausage1]

Stone houses anatomy

[@10.000hrs]

You know, I have tried to buy this book here in the UK. It's not available here sadly, but it looks really useful!

[@DoomSausage1]

@ that’s a shame. It’s truly an amazing book. To be honest I think all the books Superani put out are top notch.

[@betweenthepanels9145]

the morpho book series

[@10.000hrs]

I can't believe I'd never tried these! I'll get some and give them a go. Thanks for sharing.

[@Auurify]

good video. Bad for using and mentionig AI though. Glorified google search crap.

[@10.000hrs]

Fair enough, that's a good criticism. It pretty much is just a new type of search engine!

[@PatrockTheIII]

Brent Evistons book i heard that sounds good l haha

[@10.000hrs]

I had never heard of those but they look good! Thanks for sharing, I'll check them out 👍

[@PatrockTheIII]

​@10.000hrs yeah I heard it's good, but my main question is that your observation skills are really good, like very good. I struggle with observational drawing. I wonder what's your secret, but then I realized you draw 100 hours and a lot everyday, so you inspire me to do that 20% 80% rule thank you

[@10.000hrs]

@@PatrockTheIII Thanks friend, I appreciate it. I actually got good at observational drawing in my younger years by just putting in a bursts of activity every now and then. My frustration was born out of that skill never leading to being to draw from imagination. Observational drawing now seems fundamentally different to drawing from imagination. If you look at things like Bargue drawing, that is essentially what I did. I imagine the image as a flat collection of lines, angles, shapes, and negative shape. I compare the points and angles I am drawing to the reference, and you can also use a grid to help early on. One thing that used to me mess me up was I would draw on a table, and the reference was upright and sometimes your version on the table can come out elongated where you aren't looking at both square on 😆 my people all had really long legs. If all I wanted to do is observational drawing, it would have been fine, but because I want to be able to work from my head with no reference I had to find another way of thinking about drawing.

[@syaall]

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[@BigCMiner]

My uni teachers a while back said that when they’re planning a years lectures, they basically sit down together with the Scott Robertson books and figure out how to break them down into a series of lessons

[@10.000hrs]

It seems to be the recommended text book at university level so thats good to hear. It has produced some very good artists as a result. It's technical and takes a while to really internalize everything but in exchange you get the ability turn and rotate objects in your head and on paper which is like a superpower to me 😅

[@BigCMiner]

@@10.000hrs i know exactly what you mean, im not fortunate enough to own my own copy yet but when they’ve referenced it in lectures, it looks like such an intimidating skill level. But equally Scott seems to manage to break down his skill into complex but doable steps

[@10.000hrs]

I think it's just a case of being perseverant. A few people in the comments here have said that they would recommend starting with a slightly easier book like 'Sketching: The Basics' or 'Rapid Viz' and then advance onto SR.

[@thethinker2688]

Anatomy is actually less of a fundamental skill than poses with gesture and mannequins. You can get sooooo far without much anatomy especially if your drawing chsracter with clothes.

[@10.000hrs]

I've noticed this recently when watching some Kim Jung Gi drawing videos actually, and agree with you. I think because I am focusing a lot on being able to draw three-dimensional volumes atm, the human figure represents a tough subject to be able to express in this manner. I like the idea of being able to draw tbe anatomy, then scale down and draw more gestural, easier stuff should I ever need to. Kind of like how learning to drive manual transmission means you can drive automatic.

[@p5rsona]

lets be honest, most artists take advantage of gullible and desperate students and just release dog shit courses. others might be well intentioned but still fall short. only very very few are able to teach.

[@10.000hrs]

Haha, well I couldn't quite say it like that in the video but I feel you have summed up exactly how I feel. I see a lot of good artists who are like 22 and fresh out of college trying to teach. Compare that to someone like Scott Robertson who's been drawing for like 50 years and probably teaching for 30... I know who I would rather have as a teacher... Also, there are a lot of big name learning academies that claim to make you a pro concept artist by simply doing their course!

[@p5rsona]

@@10.000hrs lol its such a travesty! Ive literally paid thousands for such courses, in person and online, books, and only a very few were worth it. I feel bitter and disillusioned. Now I pirate everything, i dont give a fuck. i genuinely believe education should be free but when it comes to accessing quality art eduction, the entry price has always been extremely high. most of big artists today graduated from very expensive schools like cal arts. I have little sympathy for the big wig artist "teachers" crying a river over ai. I genuinely hope we can have actual personalized ai art teachers soon.

[@10.000hrs]

Yep, it's a big business. Pretty much becoming a pyramid scheme. I think you are right and that we will see a lot of AI being used in teaching. It's something I have been looking into recently and there are some companies doing some pretty cool stuff. Personalised learning would be incredibly powerful. AI is here, whether us artists and students like it or not.

[@riccia888]

I don't agree. they are taking advantage of newbies so of course it's their fault.

[@10.000hrs]

Fair point, there are some shady peeps out there. I think some artists have good intentions though.

[@riccia888]

@@10.000hrs Im in my 10th year studying concept art and illustration online now. I can truly say that cheap gumroad courses such as John Park, Ross Draws, Anthony Jones etc and one size fits all courses such as subscription base schoolism are useless if you are in your beginner beginner artist journey. Thats what happened to me years of delay progression. Might as well just slowly studying your How to draw book by Scott, watch some design cinema and enroll some high quality gouache courses for painting, I think that is more faster learning curve than paying useless cheap gumroad.

[@10.000hrs]

@@riccia888 Good to know. I really appreciate your honesty and sharing your experience with me. Thank you!

[@supahjadi8944]

Horrible selection of books. Giving beginning readers scott robertson? Really? An old, 19th century book like Charles bargue? Ignore these recs.

[@10.000hrs]

I think that while undoubtedly technical, the difficulty curve in How To Draw is challenging enough that it should provide the best levels of resistance that beginners need to make the biggest gains quickly. I view things slightly differently from the traditional art education world, but even taking that into account, this book is often on recommended reading lists for beginners. The Bargue book is also undoubtedly old, yet the stuff in it is so succint and timeless that I feel it sums up what observation drawing is in a highly efficient way and offers a logical progression for beginners to follow. I appreciate your opinion though, and understand why you have pointed this out. It's a good thing for people to consider, and I am grateful for you bringing a different point of view into the conversation!

[@Fripplingakarhano]

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