The Boys debate The Matrix

[@DANEMAN5]

The ... “you’re tellin’ me one day, I won’t have to wipe?” “No Neo. I’m telling you, one day... you won’t have to shit.” ... I almost threw up on my laptop laughing so hard from this hahaha.

[@feedmewifi_477]

that one’s an all timer. i wish they’d have felix on more often

[@paulfroelich1024]

@@feedmewifi_477 Felix is so good on the show, he and Ian are probably my favorite guests.

[@feedmewifi_477]

@@paulfroelich1024 agreed

[@thatherton]

lmfaaooo

[@Mr.Redink]

And then they just move on as if it wasn't one of the absolute fucking funniest bit everr

[@Daryl7858]

Best part of this is Adam desperately trying to let Nick and Stav know that he knows what the allegory of the cave is and them completely ignoring him

[@stuartthomas94]

damn he's smart & super gay huh

[@Masz0211]

Nick gets proven wrong. Adam gets ignored and called gay. Nick wins. Stav eats a chicken wing.

[@Jaytyboyn]

Hilarious

[@gurpchirp]

but it isn't at all about plato's cave. nick wins.

[@justcommenting4981]

It would also make it an allegory for an allegory which in his defense is gay.

[@berlinocelot]

"the sins of the dance party in Zion" is an underrated line from Adam.

[@videogamenostalgia]

Adam selling out Israel yet again

[@a.j.carter2294]

@@videogamenostalgia good.

[@tylerzmistowski5867]

So fucking sweaty. Makes my skin crawl.

[@bougiebum9138]

Underrated? Who rates cumtown jokes? It's not even one of the funnier or more clever parts of the bit

[@Yateveo]

@@videogamenostalgia m

[@TheDamnWinner]

Nick is both smart enough to understand sub text in films yet stubborn enough to deny their existence just to argue with Stavros. Wild

[@zachburskey8868]

I mean he's right, their is zero subtext about having dysphoria, they became trans and then just said their most famous movie is about what they are.

[@TheDamnWinner]

@@zachburskey8868 yeah, in that specific instance he’s probably right, (although to say that it flat out doesnt have christ allegory is just a dumb take) but to out and out act as if movies are only always about whatever is being presented on the surface is just a stupid thing to say

[@zachburskey8868]

@@TheDamnWinner Yeah I agree it's purely a Jesus allegory, you can even here it in Nick's voice he knew he was wrong about that part.

[@HegoDamaskll]

He doesn't understand the difference between literal meaning and subtext. They would probably find a Kubrick movie dull. Anyone who can't see past the first few layers would.

[@Cato76]

hyperborean

[@shayZero]

Stav's first thought when hearing about spray on skin grafts is "Can you spray an asshole shut?" A beautiful bald mind

[@nakedfatmantalking9222]

Stav has a beautiful head of hair

[@shayZero]

@@nakedfatmantalking9222 yeah, on his ass

[@zachb8012]

I mean doesn't it take a long time for the skin graft to take? You'd have to bypass the anus for 4-6 weeks to restore an anal hymen. Otherwise spraying stem cells on your asshole just seems like a nice way to experience anal fissures every time you take a shit.

[@TehUltimateSnake]

@@zachb8012 Just use a colonoscopy bag lol

[@SteelMediaOfficial]

I found play-doh in a cave once and i ate it, it was an allegory for me going to the hospital

[@cameronglowacki3250]

Hell yeah dude

[@GnosticAtheist]

I too like to think it was clay that man made me eat.

[@fuckingstupidhandles]

@CinemaOffal Productions the play-doh was allegory for a pozzed load

[@crimsonhawk4912]

No

[@feedmewifi_477]

i ate a lot of play-doh growing up and it never sent me to the hospital

[@brightfalls6788]

“For a second there, I thought you were a gay.” ... “Most gays do.”

[@jacobfinch9563]

6D Chess

[@Meekmillan]

Jacob Finch Rooftop Connect 4

[@anthonychibuzo1271]

hi am a gay

[@freealter]

Adam is literally right about the Cave allegory and Nick is just ranting about strict textualism I love this show.

[@tuttosalve8352]

Nick knows its about 2:29 he says NO when adam says its all an allegory cos that does sound initially stupid

[@rickymoen9482]

Ah cool, platos allegory of the cave. Nice

[@tuttosalve8352]

@@rickymoen9482 Platos anal story in a cave

[@rickymoen9482]

@@tuttosalve8352 platos allegory of the anal cavity

[@tuttosalve8352]

@@rickymoen9482 Plato, have an allegory all in my cave 😖

[@sergeantguy]

The gaytrix

[@doublewide8938]

I’ve come for my pilgrimage to this comment as always

[@GodDidMeWrong]

woooo

[@pinkfloydguy7781]

Now you’re dialing my number

[@popsfreshenmeyer1744]

hell yeah dude

[@mitchellhapgood]

I want a gaytwix

[@dfgccgggff7963]

The Harry Potter books were about being gay with old men

[@thelonewanderingsolesurviv2963]

Lemon party 🍋 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@jakeram4439]

The harry potter books are books about being gay with your dad

[@phatase1608]

Exactly that’s why he lived in a closet under the stairs and mentally escaping to a world where he has powers and a leather daddy of a teacher/father role.

[@shayZero]

Thats the average British childhood mate

[@causticgrip8329]

It's about busting magic from your little wand all over your friends.

[@agitationfree5980]

The “This Would Be Tight” plot premise is an important addition to film critique from esteemed gay film Professor Mullen

[@kyle-sf4fp]

He has the tightest asshole of any gay man to ever live.

[@videogamenostalgia]

"What does Neo do that is remotely Christ-like?" In the last movie when he's wounded and dying he puts his legs together and stretches his arms out and they literally overlay a crucifix of bright light over him whilst a choir starts singing lol.

[@CFChristian]

Are you arguing with or against Nick? That's kind of the Wachowski things just forcing it.

[@billiondollardong]

don't forget he is prophesized and dies and does miracles too

[@jpeg204]

@@CFChristian I mean the second and third movies are shit, but the directors clearly intended for him to be a “Christ figure” in the third movie at least

[@CFChristian]

@@jpeg204 I don't remember the point I was trying to make. I was up for 24 hours that day. 😂

[@187btokes9]

that's not christ like as christ is actually Horus like

[@deelystanonfightcade2]

nick's understanding of the machine's pov is very on-brand.

[@wikipediafollower]

Nick is exactly the type to watch The Animatrix, never admit to it, then wholeheartedly believe the machines did nothing wrong

[@complaintregistar]

@@wikipediafollower damn I fucked up huh

[@janssenmccormick7824]

@@wikipediafollower he just like me fr fr

[@eno6712]

​@@wikipediafollowerthey didn't, and any wrong you could consider got fixed at the end of Revelations

[@sadketchupg]

Love adam being annoyed by Nick calling them the wachowski brothers

[@tylerdordon99]

I wrote that in a review once and there were people askng me to delete it and shit so added "at the time" after The Washowski brothers.

[@vinigretzky97]

@Tashil Ajtsho "Men aren’t women." How dare you?

[@johnnytwotimes7854]

@Tashil Ajtsho unless they're women

[@SFTaYZa]

@@johnnytwotimes7854 Yeah, women are women.

[@imnotsmartbutimdumb]

Men are men and woman are woman, how did we get to the point that needed to be said

[@Jetstoanywhere]

The matrix is essentially about what happens when two carpenters come up with a unique idea make a movie then get into the L.A. BDSM scene and get really into sissyfication.

[@duke3250]

It's about two plumbers that go to a magical kingdom to save a princess.

[@mdcpVEVO]

Damn, this is too much buzzwords for my coked up brain

[@Max25670]

the only real answer

[@baron1324]

it’s amazing how much Nick knows about the movie yet doesn’t understand it, meanwhile Stav defends it like he understands it but doesn’t know the basic plot points of any of the movies. absolutely incredible.

[@Avengerie]

I think Nick understands it well enough. Adam too (allegory of the cave). He's just against this forced narrativization of art, even when done by the original creators 20 years later. Part of the reason it was so popular is because it meant so many things to so many people. Creators coming out and saying "screw your perspective, here's the only true one" is just slapping the audience in the face. It is a valid one for them and many others, but it is just one of the many.

[@Bigbrotherthunder]

My thoughts too.

[@ellagage1256]

@@Avengerie Yeah that's why I liked how the Wachowski's just encouraged people to look at their movies through a trans lens and left it at that. I don't think even they could argue the movies are spefically about being trans

[@theblackestvoid]

@@Avengerie they never said it was just one perspective even when talking about the trans angle, Matrix takes from many things which they acknowledge still.

[@josephlinden1630]

@@arturobandini4078 narrativisation is a real world. Like narrativised...you tried so hard with that one too.

[@chrisbyte]

"This is my ship, the Shadowthehedgehog" 🤣

[@dawzrd8765]

i love how all of this stems from someone asking one of the chowsk siblings at a panel “is the red pill a metaphor for estrogen” and them saying “i mean that wasn’t what we were thinking when we made them but yeah i can see how uve came to that conclusion”

[@newthrash1221]

Which is a perfectly reasonable response.

[@ClaireDuhLune]

I mean that's some of the beauty in art. People can have different interpretations of a story or visual piece that can give different perspectives on the art itself or the new topic they're connecting it to. I'm not saying that every interpretation is a good one, because certainly there are a lot of weak connections people make.

[@ERoBB1]

@@newthrash1221 Because saying "its about being trans" is an absolute dumbshit way of wording it. But the premise was always about using a pill to become who you really are. "Waking up". Those themes weren't accidental. They might not have been intentionally making a trans movie, but they were making a movie about not being your true self, and how to get there. Which later we can see why they might have been interested in exploring those themes.

[@katskiitakk]

@@ERoBB1 that feels like a reach. it's more like take the blue pill and be ignorant but happy or take the red pill and fully expand your mind and "wakeup"

[@ERoBB1]

@@katskiitakk Uh huh, and what does "wake up" mean? Morpheus uses fairly literal language about "becoming who you actually are". Clearly they were writing about themes of not feeling like their true selves and what if someone could show you how to find yourself (with a literal pill). It's not a reach at all. Feels like a lot of people here have never encountered a metaphor. I assure you, they get vaguer and more complex than this one.

[@sandwurm928]

watching this i like to imagine im an uber driver and im driving 3 drunk gay guys home and this is the conversation they are having in my car.

[@McGuinty2]

Nick is arguing something less like "death of the author" and more like "genocide of the author and also everyone else" lol

[@NameAvailable]

That’s when the movie is no longer about the plot and you can only watch it to admire the technical aspects, like the CGI, cinematography and soundtrack

[@freyathesage1749]

When the movie came out, the Wachowskis were very open about it being a metaphor for Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard. You can see the book on the shelf in one scene. It claims that society at large is no different than a simulation filled with copies without originals.

[@NoFlu]

They literally changed the meaning of the movies after their transition. If anything, its "Suicide of the Author" as they themselves killed the author

[@mrscruffles801]

It's not death of the author when the metaphor wasn't even intended at the time. Also forget metaphors and themes, movies are kore fun when you can just enjoy them for being cool.

[@DanThibodeau1]

19 counts of crossing a double yellow line($160 ea.) 14 counts of running thru a red light ($150 ea.) 8 counts of running thru a stop sign ($200 ea.) Total citation: *$6,740* and that's letting you off easy

[@TheHashBot]

My god, the matrix is the cave... lol I can’t believe Adam is right for once... aaaaand nick doubles down on nihilism. Lmfao

[@giansideros]

I feel embarrassed that it took listening to Cum Town to realise this myself.

[@scratguy4510]

In a way Nick is still right, the matrix isn’t about “the cave” either, sure influenced by it but it is a whole separate thing.

[@matthillfromcollege4109]

@@scratguy4510nope same thing

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

My man came out of the gates strong talking about “The Matrix isn’t about anything”

[@mrscruffles801]

It's just about a computer system

[@aaizner847]

The first Matrix was about shedding societal delusions and awaking to reality, the second and third movies were about money, and the fourth movie was about social "justice". This podcast is about christ.

[@medicerus]

This podcast is about being gay

[@CyphersBasement]

This is a pretty good format, actually. A recording of a podcast like Cumtown playing on a radio in a GTA game is expected. You could edit together more driving clips like this, but add in a change, where each video ends with the car crashing and the podcast ending abruptly.

[@fisty539]

if you have it on pc you can just put the mp3s in a folder for the custom radio channel #pcmasterrace

[@oh-not-the-bees7872]

@@fisty539 i have done this with cumtown before, my gf came home and she knows cumtown too but nothing of video games and she was all "holy shit cumtown is in gta?!?!"

[@sonoflethal]

@@oh-not-the-bees7872 you don't have a girlfriend

[@Dmnthygtshlds2]

​@@oh-not-the-bees7872she sounds pretty stupid I hope you dumped her for that dumb shit comment

[@MimsicalRenegade]

That Orgy/ Metal Concert they Have before Zion is Invaded by Machines makes sense now It was Trans End Dance

[@jimmy87587]

this is one of the best jokes ever put on youtube, nice job

[@MimsicalRenegade]

@@jimmy87587 You are very welcome, glad I could add some Clarity , lol

[@daveweisbrich1769]

Beautiful comment

[@mutestingray]

Super cool

[@TheInfamousTacos]

@@mutestingray Something satisfying that after 3 months not a single person interacted with any of your many insufferable comments on this video. Made me smile. Don't reply unless you're insecure🖕

[@DaveTheBunny]

7:20 Adam mumbling a protest that Nick confused one set of jewish sibling film makers with another is a mood i carry with me in my daily life, wanting to point out factual errors people are making but realizing speaking up will just get you called gay.

[@ghhn4505]

You sound gay

[@Jukhg-km2kb]

You carry strong bug vibes my dude

[@trevordrexler5652]

"After the 12th season of Blackish there was a mass suicide." Hell ya adam

[@generalisimo3304]

The Gaytrix: Blow-loaded

[@newthrash1221]

The gaytrix: loads

[@thebeatlemania182]

“Aren’t all those movies about something” Thank you professor Stavros for explaining Plot

[@nialllappin4159]

That was a statement not an explanation

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

Me coming back everyday to hear the 'If you cannot shit, Mr. Anderson' bit

[@MasterRoyalSnow]

Instead of leaving an obligatory anti-Semitic comment I'll just say that the war between machines and man was started by people, the machines tried to be cool. It's shown in the Animatrix.

[@papapurepropaganda612]

Yeah neo sacrificed himself for humanity's sins like jesus

[@serdirtbagoftheleft4045]

Fuck machines, they are just programed to think they deserve to exist

[@SomeGuyHowGoesIt]

just like us

[@Duterasemis]

it's actually because we got butthurt that they cornered the crypto market and then they started making flying teslas that aren't pieces of shit Elon couldn't take it

[@SeppukuAddict]

And then they ripped a dude's arms and legs off as they tore him out of his mech suit.

[@theseadragon3055]

The hidden figures reference made me laugh so hard I spit tea all over my desk 🤣 😂 😆

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

I've never seen or heard anyone struggle to understand any movie like Stav. He never wants you to spoil a 40 year old movie and at the same time can't remember what happened 3 seconds prior.

[@matthiasthulman4058]

He's a literal bugman. Check out his take on the Jussie Smollett thing, it's mind-blowing how he always comes back to "but the news said..." He's an idiot.

[@theyoungmessiah420]

Hell yeah dude.

[@chegayvara1136]

the black nerd trope is a welcome addition to the cumtown canon

[@treytison1444]

7:48 you know damn well what Nick wanted to say.

[@caneface87]

“Everyone kept jumping off bridges because they were tired of hearing how drafty it was” made me lol

[@Crocomum]

I was walking in public headphones in and let out a laugh and got so many looks

[@MagicManDad]

"Could you spray an asshole shut?" NOW we're asking the real questions

[@BIacklce]

Cant wait for Matrix 4 to ruin this series even more

[@BM-is5ei]

@meowington meowsworth if youre trans gay does that mean your straight?

[@BigFatCock0]

Who is forcing you to watch literally any movie? If you only like the first, just watch the first one. It's a pussy move to keep pumping money into and watching these big corporations' dumb movies because it's a 'sequel' or it's 'canon' or whatever the fuck. Make your own decisions. I'm gay.

[@twitchwednesday]

@meowington meowsworth I’m an eleven.

[@theblackestvoid]

@@BigFatCock0 very funny that bigfatcock also has the most rational opinion. It's true. Who cares, even then the last two were entertaining as fuck and Reloaded had the coolest fight scene ever in the Chateau.

[@Alphabetizeist]

Your new pic slaps bro

[@barronasi]

“I think the real matrix, was the friends we made along the way.”

[@DaDaDo661]

Gay friends

[@hotkoko3026]

these guys have the best laughs, delivery and jokes. 10/10 would recommend

[@wolfgangi]

The black accent was so good I thought it was snoop dog speaking

[@mohammadboozarjomehri4430]

"It's the sins of the dance party in Zion" LOLLL

[@joes2133]

The gta driving is a nice touch. Peaceful to watch while I listen

[@LuisCarruthers]

I have never played GTA (don't own a games console) but would love to just drive around like the player in the video is doing.

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@@LuisCarruthers Get GTA San Andreas on Android. It's like 5 bucks or something.

[@robertswitzer990]

Gotta agree with Nick. You can’t retcon a story to fit later assumed narratives. The same thing happened with J.K. Rowling and Harry Potter. She retconned the sexuality of several key characters that had no indication of being other than what they already were, to please sjw fans. Just because the bros became sisters, doesn’t mean the matrix is now about trans people. Fake, and gay. And having paused this a few minutes in to comment, I now hear Nick point this exact situation out with Harry Potter. Very gay.

[@floorijzerman]

Google JK Rowling nazi uniform. Pretty cool huh?

[@ArielHal9000]

Difference is that with Harry Potter she was changing an entire characters story and characteristics. With this, the Wachowskis are just saying that the movie can be read through a trans lens. Looking at the difference between how you perceive yourself inside and in reality, as well as the use of pills to reach your true body, a lot of stuff can be read as a trans allegory. That doesn’t mean Neo and Morpheus are all trans, it just means that the story and the trans experience share some elements.

[@robertswitzer990]

@@ArielHal9000 I refuse to accept a retconned theory, posited 20 years after the series concluded. Even if the people retconning the series are the creators of the series.

[@serdirtbagoftheleft4045]

@@robertswitzer990 its not retconning, its a different way to interpret the meaning of the movie. Or whatever its about Neoliberalism

[@MichaelSotoCE]

@@robertswitzer990 you're literally deciding to be thick about it because you don't want to change your view? It's not a retcon. There are many good examples that support the trans allegory, including Switch's original intent. Nick's idea that movies are nothing more than their literal text and can have no allegory is such an idiotic take that i thought it was a bit lol

[@LHyoutube]

From my understanding, the directors only belatedly said The Matrix was about being trans AFTER they themselves recently transitioned. At the time it was made, it certainly wasn't about being trans and they never claimed that it was. So effectively, it is NOT a movie about being trans. The directors belatedly reframing a movie to suit their own contemporary beliefs or agendas is equally as worthless as any regular viewer doing so.

[@ciupenhauer]

Clearly someone on this podcast took that to a dear heart

[@LHyoutube]

@@ciupenhauer - Sorry, what?

[@ciupenhauer]

@@LHyoutube was talking about Nick

[@LHyoutube]

@@ciupenhauer - Gotcha 👍

[@antftwx]

I recall learning the original plan for the character of Switch before either Wachowski had transitioned, so I believe there was some element of transgenderism within the original story, but I think it's absolutely insane for them to say the ENTIRE movie/series is about being trans. The making of the movie was very well documented and it's quite clearly/blatantly about man's dependence on and taking for granted of technology and natural resources, respectively. Also that computers and anime are cool. The Wachowskis love them some PCs and japan cartoons.

[@loomismeister]

Nonono, these boys didn’t catch it but a major revelation in in the trilogy was that the machines intentionally let humans live in Zion because they weren’t able to successfully run a persistent matrix.

[@Durrpadil]

11:42 "can you stop spitting on my lips while you're talking" SO GOLD

[@accuserofthebrethren9240]

Stavros "I don't take in information very well" Halkias

[@tyler9004]

Some satisfying GTA footage

[@dragon-id5uj]

normally yeah but i'm still reeling from being wrongfully banned, so the footage is infuriating to me

[@brianbadonde9251]

I'm such an idiot lol, I was sitting here wondering what this game was because it was in first person and I didn't see the usual map and stuff.. i thought it was some indie game where you just calmly drive at night, little did I know it was fuckin gta the whole time 🤦 lol

[@tyler9004]

@@brianbadonde9251 crazy how gta can be anything you want it to be

[@NotDaveGahan]

When Adam corrected Nick with “The Wachowskis”. That’s allyship.

[@brightfalls6788]

Morpheus reviewed Bluetooth speakers on KZbin before discovering the truth... there is no Bluetooth speaker.

[@jdavs9493]

What’s his name on KZbin I wanna watch

[@brightfalls6788]

@@jdavs9493 xMorpheusBrownleaf69x

[@sadketchupg]

you know if Stav didn't tell us a billion times he didn't care I wouldn't have known

[@trevor4835]

u jumped at the chance to write a comment about that after he said it like once maybe twice

[@carkindozin]

Stav had it right. The Matrix is just reverse Terminator

[@antftwx]

The funniest thing here is that he gets the Coen brothers mixed up with he Wachowskis lol

[@CommandoMuerto]

They stole it from Heavy Metal magazines and scifi manga comics and Ghost in The Shell of course. The first Matrix movie was cool at the time, but the Wachowskis and wankers and the lack of substance in the sequels all reflected the artists inability to maintain their universe. The sequel fell apart right at the "rave" scene in Zion. Laurence Fishburnes head had increased in mass from alcoholism by atleast 20% in the sequel awkwardly taking up the frame, the whole cast and crew were partying so much from the success of the first film the following films went to shit and everyone cut their dicks off. Agent Smith is marginally salvageable as far as character development over the 3 films. Neo just floats off on a hospital stretcher pretending to be a blind shaolin monk imagery, blah I was glad it was over and have no interest in the 4th. Animatrix was a nice piece of art, enjoy kids.

[@cyprienmaccamley126]

Inspiration and stealing are very different terms, just because you didn't like it doesn't mean the premise of the movie is stolen. Wachowskis and the creators of the aforementioend animes got together and even shared a mutual respect for the genre so your argument that its stolen is retardation to the highest degree. It is completely common and not at all foreign for artists to get together and geek out over each others works, as it expands the universe of the genre, bringing more fans in. Also the primary inspiration for The Matrix was The Neuromancer which discusses the concept of a virtually accessible cyberspace known as "the Matrix". The series also grossed over a billion dollars, the sequel to the first one being the most financially successful one. If that's a failure to you, then you have a retarded view of what failure is. Your argument is about as dry as your wife's pussy.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

I can't unsee the Laurence Fishburne head thing now.

[@CommandoMuerto]

@@cyprienmaccamley126 ah yeah I forgot about Neuromancer and there are boatloads of shitty movies and products that made billions, thing is they're all in bargain bins and landfills now. The whole franchise sucks and thanks for your reply.

[@CommandoMuerto]

@@cyprienmaccamley126 I didn't say it was a failure in the financial sense, a failure in storytelling and production, absolutely.

[@mrwhopee]

Wow you summed it up perfectly lol. I bet the 4th will be loaded with troon propaganda bullshit, fk the wachowskis and their woke troon garbage, they don’t even come close to passing esp the fat bald one like wtf does he think he’s fooling?

[@all_your_baser_belong_to_us]

“Luxury gay space communism” 😂😂😂

[@doitlikewill]

Hell yeah, that fucking rocks, dude

[@islifeacomedy3861]

“I don’t give a fuck, I don’t care” stav, every time he cares enough to argue his underlying political opinions vehemently but wants everyone to think he doesn’t care.

[@vastyandrews2631]

Omg this is INCREDIBLE! a video of someone driving around (in GTA) listening to a podcast in general. Genius.

[@wikipediafollower]

The first Matrix is literally an allegory for dealing with the feds and people who will report you to them. Nick is insightful, but his contrarianism is just too strong when it comes to dealing with the most obvious shit lol

[@musicnoonelikes]

drug addict

[@devinwatson4594]

Hi, I'm not a gay actor but people say I look like Tom Hanks in that movie Philadelphia.

[@replica3061]

8:22 This whole bit had SJW Adam on edge, Nick was so close to offending someone

[@fruitylerlups530]

Im dissappointed in my beautiful jewish boy whos usually chill

[@HelloToTheJelloFTW]

Yeah that was weak

[@madsstaysnoided558]

He’s obviously joking calm down

[@RanchItUp42069]

Sorry Nick, Adam is right, it is the allegory of the cave

[@RogueSabre]

I love how no matter how stav feels about anything he can be bullied into abandoning said views if put under pressure

[@yeahiknow69]

I agree with my best friend Nick Mullen

[@accuserofthebrethren9240]

He's actually MY best friend.

[@douglasbacon8382]

@@accuserofthebrethren9240 he actually just called me up and said I was his true best friend and that you guys are actually gay

[@CurtisAlfeld]

I am so glad someone has referenced Ralph Bakshi's "Wizards". The ending of that movie is so batshit retarded and comes out of fucking nowhere that I love it.

[@krazzledazzle304]

The thumbnail is so great

[@Soltani88]

Honestly the subtext in the matrix is literally just the plot. Explain the plot of the movie and you’ve already seen it

[@MrsToscanoHomeSchoolTeacher]

It'd be a hell of a coincidence that a story some trans people stole also happened to be about being trans 20 years later through some tenuous connections

[@k1xnt]

hennrietta, you still workin on that story bout that computer place??

[@TheDestroyerComics]

8:27 thats probably the nicest nick has been to adam after nearly ruining a joke in advance

[@duncanurquhart5278]

I feel like nick literally being the secondary villain from the first matrix is like the key that unlocks the rest of his personality

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

Terminator is definitely about Jesus. John Connor = JC = Jesus Christ. An a tall emotionless machine with a German accent is trying to genocide all humans... It's obvious. It's not even deep.

[@GloriousChad]

Hell yeah dude

[@MeanForTheRightReasons]

Nice

[@MrFoofarew]

Stav’s go-to. Catch myself saying it sometimes lol

[@RileyBootler]

Nice dude

[@Dmnthygtshlds2]

I like how the funniest thing i probably ever heard on the show and stav is somehow not obnoxiously laughing at it. I lost it at the hidden figures matrix impression

[@xuiwolf7818]

The people that made it sold their souls, that's why their saying its about trans. It's an allegory for christ, but the reason they made it is to stop people from discovering the allegory as an actual truth The bible itself is an allegory also so it's double layering for the purpose of confusion

[@alanmorrison633]

Stav looks like that cenobite from Hellraiser, I can't unsee it now.

[@robotpanda77]

Apparently both director brothers got involved with a dominatrix that led to them transitioning. It's pretty crazy. Her name was Strix.

[@Avengerie]

Rolling Stone nuked that article.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Crazy that after her 8 hours shifts at the CIA office, she still managed to be a dominatrix at night, busy lass

[@LSK2K]

0:50 "The sins of the dance party in Zion" lmao

[@jonvia]

Stav's laugh makes me laugh so hardbc I know he's making that crazy funny face with his funny teeth and stache.

[@evanbelisle8464]

The bearded one makes all the jokes but without the laugh he’s nothing.

[@Stynze]

gta v driving makes for some good background footage, nice video

[@nickglttbaow]

stav was confused until nicks cookie analogy

[@JumpPackGentleman]

The Matrix was just “yo, this would be dope” with basic allegories and became garbage when they tried to become “about something”. It wasn’t a trans allegory until the Wachowskis started dressing like women

[@amerimangaka]

True!

[@TheEthanman340]

Ah this feels like a sunday drive in the matrix

[@SleepyReaper75]

I see where Nick is coming from, but Matrix is def a very obious Plato's allegory of the cave

[@SleepyReaper75]

Also I'm gay

[@wolfernater]

Oh hey it's the subtext understanders podcast.

[@superguyperson]

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is a masterpiece for only high-level autismos. One of us!

[@well_as_an_expert_id_say]

You ran a shitload of red lights bro

[@StevenSeagull]

Call the police

[@jon4915]

@@StevenSeagull what game is that?

[@StevenSeagull]

@@jon4915 GTA 5

[@thecoldwaters]

Stav dropping Yu Yu Hakusho was something i was not expecting

[@kjmartin815]

nick's understanding of death of the author as a concept is superior to that of stavros

[@gornes2403]

the sealed ass matrix dialogue is gold

[@sirenden3808]

if you watch the animatrix, they explain why the robots want them dead completely and under their domain of rule..... im a nerd.

[@themidnightman9798]

It sounds like maybe you're just gay. You can trust my word on this because... You're gay.

[@TheScience69]

Matrix fans were just the same try hard-edgy kids that acted like Donny darko and inception/ tenet was the greatest film ever. Anyone who doesn't think it's the best movie ever just isn't intellectual enough to understand it's themes!! Problem is, most of those films don't get sequels so they never have it completely spelled out that it's exactly as deep as you first thought and the makers never really had a vision or plan

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

a significant portion of that population has become trans that and grown men who are very into Pokemon for some reason so, who knows

[@TheScience69]

@@ghfudrs93uuu what's wrong with Pokémon? One of those things is not like the other.

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

@@TheScience69 I don't know either, just reporting what I see

[@lazylefthand]

Nice driving. Forgot about your blinkers though.

[@MWPRO1000]

Stav looks horrifying on that thumbnail

[@robertknoll9641]

The Christ story is about a carpenter that pisses off management and gets fired. Just like the movie people are over analyzing it.

[@adgaskins1]

As a black guy I want to say that I was both offended and highly amused by the hidden figures/matrix bit. Too good!!! 😂

[@NoVACorpsGaming]

Ah, yes. I, too, am gay.

[@mlbp2567]

“As a black guy” - whitest guy you’ll ever meet

[@ibrahimtall6209]

I'm taking Nicks side on this one. Tenuous connections, references, and and mimicking motifs don't make something an allegory. Allegory is hard to do right. It can't be so heavy handed that it's just a rip off of the og, and it can't be so tenuous, like the Matrix, where the comparisons to Christ basically end at the mc being a revived savior.

[@Jukhg-km2kb]

9:43 this movie should be nicks next project please