The Breakdown with Zirene: FOX’s Comeback Against TSM (NA LCS Spring Week 2)

[@V4Velius]

I feel like I just gained IQ points just listening to this breakdown.

[@GoznerPeter]

You didnt gain anything. If hauntzer just goes top he ends the game.

[@delulupisces_2377]

LOL true, they could’ve avoided this and pushed with the minions they had and ended the game

[@V4Velius]

Gozner Peter yeah, I just meant Zirene always explains the entire situation so articulately but you are right lol

[@murilomorais347]

huh, this fight took less than 15 seconds, u think a vlad, with some super minions could kill 2 towers and a nexus? this is kinda risky

[@emezih]

Murilo Morais, do you think Jarvan would have gone for the initiation if vlad wasn't there?

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Wiggly wiggly wiggly

[@GRAV1TY401]

Romnys Gonzalez Goldenglue

[@rowinwan1]

I love how Adrian disables MikeYeung's Jarvan to prevent the E+Q combo, only to see Mike whiff it right after the pulverize and casting Q first lmao

[@prn_Melatonin]

LUL

[@tylerdunkleberger9438]

I enjoyed watching MIke Yeung after that failed eq walk around doing nothing for a few seconds before deciding autoing the turret was a good idea, and only after being knocked onto Altecs hitbox did he decide to dps an enemy champ. Great pickup TSM, enjoy being 4th or lower this split 🤣

[@Juslin7989]

I found it funny how adrian delivered j4 straight to his dying adc lmao

[@Ahri1500]

Rick fox best owner in all of lcs

[@mpraka]

id love to see him and nadeshot comment a game like aphro and meteos did :0 even thought they know absolutely nothing about this game xD phreak would educate them imo

[@DeeDiazH]

Rick Fox is almost level 30 on his account he prob knows the basics already.

[@restlessjuan]

He knows the game. He took a quiz about it awhile back. He also plays.

[@harrycicero263]

Rip imt noah

[@MitzTiemes]

I need so many more of these breakdowns, they're incredibly insightful and interesting to watch

[@michaelziluck1850]

Definitely the LoL Esports content I look forward to the most, even more than most of the games. Well done as always!

[@fuyusoft7137]

ITS BACK! Love me some Breakdown

[@FinaISpartan]

Fenix landing the sleep on Vlad was also crucial. It stopped Vlad from instagibbing the back line.

[@feelsgoodman9751]

ye and Adrian turned to vlad to stun him with e after he w-q Jarvan

[@kalevi7821]

Sven was the problem. I don't understand what's going on. THEY TOLD US SVEN WAS THE PROBLEM!

[@sebastiaankruis3006]

Kalevi I love how every TSM fan in the comments blames someone else, ever had the idea that all those actions from all the players together made them lose? IF Mike hadn't engaged, IF Hauntzer pushed Nexus turrets, IF Bjerg had cancelled Zacs jump, IF they called to play more passively... You can't just blame one member. Or you can, if you are simple-minded and just need someone to hate.

[@kalevi7821]

Oh I'm being sarcastic. I'm a C9 fan. Happy we got Sven.

[@holyflygon]

lol sven was a problem for TSM but that was it. then they replaced there god bot lane for a trash EU bot lane that has failed worst then doublelift at every international event.

[@minimansson2023]

Its with Z... ZZZZZZZZZZZven

[@boomyt1019]

ye, perhaps one day they will actualy realize that all of their problems come from their bad decision making (bad for a team who is aiming for worlds) and imo this is probably coming from the fact that they want bjergsen to be the leader of their team even tho he's most likely terrible at taking decisions

[@alexone3698]

Gone are the days that all the spectators chant "TSM TSM TSM!" even when TSM isnt even playing.

[@WorldinJeopardy]

Alex Bulaclac my boyfriend and I noticed the same thing. We were so surprised when we heard the audience cheering louder for Flyquest and that we haven't heard even a single TSM chant this split.

[@alexone3698]

Jeopardy TSM kinda lost its charisma these past few years when it was probably their strongest trait. They probably had the most fanatical fans before. But promising your fans that this year will be different in terms of performance in Worlds, and yet always failing each damn year will guarantee disappointment in the fan base.

[@Mckibzz]

Thats cute, see ya'll in Summer Split playoffs when the entire stadium chants TSM as they win again XDXDXD

[@MrBlueSleeves]

^ Found the tsm fanboy

[@Mckibzz]

Wait so are you denying TSM always comes back in playoffs? or are you denying theyve won NA more than anyone? you must be new to NALCS other than last year they start this slow generally. I am a TSM fan but I watch every region and am a fan of like 5 teams so I wouldnt call myself a fan boy but I do have eyes and common sense lol.

[@raihanmarkatin8070]

Isn't it also worth noting that before the fight TSM had a HUGE wave up top and super creep wave on mid? What'd happen if they waited longer and force Fox to deal with their nexus turrets?

[@haximnida]

Missed the breakdowns, glad they're here again

[@StreamZOfficial]

As an IMT fan, I can see the same mentality and cohesion Huni brings to a team. We can check on the Fnatic the same impact where they did an 18-0 split with Huni. I can also had the fact that Huni wasnt the problem on SKT (they are now 1-4 ). Huni is the best Korean player that ever played in Na and Eu by far.

[@oranginal1233]

Huni did great at SKT, sure he was greedy sometimes but he saves many team fights Faker, Bang and Blank's mistake. Blank should be a sub, cause without Bengi, he is nothing

[@Albertrossus]

Huni just lacked the consistency and more team oriented playstyles that SKT wanted, thats why they swapped to untara mid summer. If you hear huni talking about how and why Jayce was a good pick with SKT but is absolute trash when picked in NA as top laner you see why. To be more specific, huni told the interviewer that they played literally dozens of games with Jayce and that it is a special pick that not only requires the toplaner to learn it, but also the whole team to learn how to efficiently play around it

[@sho76und3wd]

These videos are so amazing and informative.

[@thenugadealwis6395]

Finally, I've waited 4 months for this

[@Hundkorg]

Finally the breakdown is back! AWSEOME! xD

[@nosteinnogate7305]

This Mike Yeung engage was the worst engage i have ever seen in a lol pro game. You win automatically by letting the superminions push but instead you force a dive by even USING FLASH AND YOUR ULT. TSM deserved to lose that game, at least Mike did.

[@rickiex]

Florian Klein agreed, they should have waited 10sec more for super minion to crash main towers before forcing anything. Plus that Ali zone on haunter is dirty as fuck. I'm a Vlad main and I feel sorry for haunter

[@sebastiaankruis3006]

Florian Klein I love how every TSM fan in the comments blames someone else, ever had the idea that all those actions from all the players together made them lose? IF Mike hadn't engaged, IF Hauntzer pushed Nexus turrets, IF Bjerg had cancelled Zacs jump, IF they called to play more passively... You can't just blame one member. Or you can, if you are simple-minded and just need someone to hate.

[@David-gg6ge]

Procrastinate J I think you should reread his comment. It was obviously direct to the other guy. Since I'm here though, completely agree with you both. I hate when our fans focus so much criticism onto one player. On top of that, how can you be a fan, if you don't support your team through thick and thin. Yes, I would be very happy if TSM played better, but I don't necessarily mind that they aren't stomping. It helps for growth, finally puts them in a different state of mind, and can help bring the team closer.

[@jagosvujovic2086]

that engage would have been fine if they executed it properly but they didnt, and i agree the engage was bad but it wasnt that bad

[@nosteinnogate7305]

If you read my comment closely i said TSM deserved to lose, including Hauntzer, Bjergsen, Mithy and Zven. I did not say that was the only reason they lost but i just commented on this one action. Btw, neither fan nor hater of TSM.

[@Obosii]

I love the music for 'the breakdown'. Is there any way to get it?

[@jasonl1184]

Can't tsm just not dive, wait for supers to push in, then take the last inhibitor way more safe?

[@jesseguerrero6631]

Didn’t notice Adrian’s interruption on J4s EQ combo during the stream. What a play..

[@EarnestWilliamsGeofferic]

Beautiful breakdown!

[@theActionzgroove]

if hauntzer pool that stun, would be deep in their backlines and able to negate more damage from echo fox ad and ap killing malzahar?

[@TimboCanada]

Great video, as always, Zirene!

[@ade1174]

Can anyone tell me if this is the first breakdown of 2018?

[@feelsgoodman9751]

big fan of Rick Fox, im so happy that his team is winning now

[@Bl4ckV3ins]

Gotta say I feel like this was down to mikes bad engage (Flash + R) on the enemy frontline but also Hauntzer who normally plays so well but the fact he didn't just go in was ridiculous, if ali head buts him away then that's the headbutt cd down and he is still free to go back in, his ult hit zoe and that was it, he didn't burst her down, just really didn't play to carry on the vlad, ontop of that Bjergsen still not picking Vlad, I get that your jung and sup are tanky so you don't need a tank top but camille is good again and does well into GP, vlad could have gone mid, i realise they went malz to lock down zoe but vlad actually does well into Zoe, your pool can be extended using the sleep duration allowing you to completely dodge the follow up Q, as for locking her down, a camille would have done that perfecty.

[@anguslum9561]

Honestly there is a lot more than that in a chaotic team fight like that, Mike's J4 cast QE instead of EQ, Hauntzer's Vlad Ult on 1 person only, Mithy Missed ult. TSM probably just thought they can win by default when they are so ahead and with elder buff

[@hsagiao123]

I originally thought this game was a massive throw and terribly played by TSM after looking over the gold charts and statistics. But after watching this, Echo Fox just played this perfectly. That was actually really fun to watch...

[@addambarcelos]

Nice, breakdown is back

[@evanbelcher]

I love these analyses

[@zanereee]

Mithy missed his ult lol

[@sebastiaankruis3006]

Jaycee Buan I love how every TSM fan in the comments blames someone else, ever had the idea that all those actions from all the players together made them lose? IF Mike hadn't engaged, IF Hauntzer pushed Nexus turrets, IF Bjerg had cancelled Zacs jump, IF they called to play more passively... You can't just blame one member. Or you can, if you are simple-minded and just need someone to hate.

[@SuperMarioTomma95]

that's true though, it was actually quite hard to ult without hitting anyone

[@Greippi10]

sebastiaan kruis pointing out a detail isn't the same thing as blaming Mithy alone for the loss you muppet. I mean he threaded the needle pretty spectacularly with that ult.

[@lolgamer821]

If u look closely he tries to knock altec by his close quarter knock up, and at the same time hit fenix (or someone i am not sure) , but they managed to kite out, but sure, he could have aimed better, then again maybe he just wanted to separate backline from frontline with slow, its really hard for us to tell u know

[@Greippi10]

Altec is way off to the side, I think he's aiming for Fenix who flashes just a millisecond before he starts the ult but even if Fenix didn't flash and got caught I still think it's a really bad call. He had a basically guaranteed ult on gp and trist

[@markpringnitz9725]

Echo Fox played it amazingly, BUT WHY DID TSM EVEN ENGAGE???

Wiggling

[@acidgolem2132]

Are they still using that "playoffs" trap card

[@Zoonzzepoonzz]

Let's be honest they lost the teamfight cause Mike flash ulted a full hp zac???

[@KJ450z]

I mean they TSM couda used the other waves better and turned a fight into 1 4v5 while one is clearing the super minions and avoided this whole scenario.

[@VojtaYoshimkwii]

Nice analysis Zirene :)

[@texasallstar6969]

This game was freaking epic! what a game. Fox Fox Fox! best part is there are like NO TSM fans going to the games XD its been years since you barely hear TSM TSM TSM chanted.

[@leagueofarchangel8155]

texasallstar6969 when you say years, you mean like a couple months ago?

[@Iwmar]

What happened in reality: - Bjergsen being a washed up trash like he is ults an unstoppable tank - Adrian having an autism attack cannot decide between going for Vlad and helping his team. - Vlad gets cucked by J4's ult which stops him from ulting enemy back on time. - Zven being Zven still lives in the G2 comma where they play the protect the adc comp every single game so he only feels save being 50 Teemos away from the enemy team.

[@serialbets]

I personally don't like Mithy's positioning in this fight. And Mike Yeung's engage wasn't very good. Literally just had to wait for supers to come in to force one of them to deal with it. I feel this whole match they were on the clock and needed to force something before they got outscaled, unfortunately they picked the worst possible time to force it.

[@datojoseph9924]

Bruh, why tf didn’t they just tell hauntzer to keep pushing mid to pull members away from the bot turret and then force a fight with a split echo fox

[@Digi7y]

YUS ZIRENE IS BACK WOOOOO.

[@shacozzi4888]

Watch Echo Fox win worlds

[@ofardo8046]

Shacozzi 😂😂😂🙏🙏🙏

[@AyooTube]

Shacozzi Its NA, groups stage is the frontier, bro

[@CriticalThinking96]

I thought it was quarters

[@kopie50]

inb4 they face Misfits or Team Vitality and just instantly lose

[@boiniq]

this fight felt cheap - there were so many mistakes -jarvan misses E-Q, braum missing ulti, braum using W on malza while having tristana E on him which kills malza, vlad not using zhoyaa, alistar pushing back jarvan with W which kills tristana, malza ulting zac while zac is in ulti meaing zac doesnt get supressed (arguable unlucky) - and the highlighted alistar combo on jarvan which means that jarvan doesnt interrupts zac which is pure luck alistar did not mean to stop jarvan so zac finishes E he just ment to cc him

[@kidsleepy8090]

Adrian said the Alistar play was intentional and was a reaction to Vladimir's movement though. I don't think that's luck. That fight was more of a manifestation of the difference between both team's synergy or lack thereof.

[@user-kellog1]

You could remember the thing that Madlife marked opponent diana last several years

[@quinntolchin3080]

Should have waited a season for franchising so TSM could get relegated :^]

[@Acronoss1234]

I honestly think Adrian is so underrated..

[@Woodshadow]

That really was TSMs last stand. They were outscaled and were bound to lose the game if they failed there. Interesting how close it was. If hauntzer went balls deep into that squealing hog and didn’t hesitate the fight could have went completely differently

[@Darb__]

Anyone else see altecs auto go through braum shield?

[@raccoononi]

I’m sure a ex pro NBA player knows about teamwork and educated all the bois on it

[@jonaskrvang8942]

I wish he would talk about the merit of having Jarvan engage like that, and how Allstar kinda killed Trist by headbutting Jarvan to her.

[@atomknight8361]

I've always liked Dardoch. Toxic or not

[@KhronosTrigger]

He's always been a great NA jungler one of the phew, and his attitude is getting better.

[@kidsleepy8090]

he was humbled by Huni. There was an interview where he pretty much bows down to whatever Huni would say because after all, the dude reached Worlds Finals.

[@vincenthuardpelletier1009]

Great Stuff

[@arturoflash]

that Huni ult though

[@rrd3k3]

Mike Yeung looked more like a vulture than a tank jg in this lmao

[@caesar1512]

I hope TSM gets relegated LUL

[@JackOfAllTradesErik]

9th Doctor relegation isnt a thing anymore

[@NanoLT]

thats the joke

[@ofardo8046]

9th Doctor relegation doesn't exist anymore

[@awung11]

TSM will get relegated and lose their spot to IMT... lul

[@zugzogtv]

Why are Bjerg and Zen (the two squishiest members and carries) STANDING DIRECTLY ON TOP OF EACHOTHER

[@dobig12]

Huni and Altec were standing on top of each other. Fenix was literally next to Jarvan. It just happens in the heat of battle

[@sebaba001]

That's not a reasonable thing to point out dude. They were both well positioned, at mid-range from the rest of the fight. If Zven had E'd down or up and had done it faster (without getting stunned) it could've made a big difference, and an even bigger difference if Bjergsen had ulted a couple of miliseconds sooner. Their position wasn't the problem, Dardoch just had the jump on them and the faster fingers.

[@MoElbana]

I don't really know what was the need of that fight if they just waited 10 more seconds the super minions would have crashed to the nexus turrets and it would have been free inheb.

[@ilijajovanovic9189]

Adrian does beatufull thing with movemement only to almost mess everything up by W-ing full hp-ed J4 into 5% hp ADC . Prooff that even PROs can make a very bad split second decitiom.

[@TAAF619]

Teach me league you dance master

[@carlobena8636]

Alistar headbutted Jarvan to his AD carry causing him to die though.

[@samuelchen2994]

Mikeyoung more like MEMEYOUNG LUL

[@jaymaycry9891]

Where's Jatt...

[@BigMusicFan147]

I forgot all about Zirene LOL

[@tobago3679]

Mad Lads!

[@MartinBuzon]

To bad, they didnt pointed the worst vladi engage of hauntzer causing TSMs loss at the last teamfight...

[@AyooTube]

First Teamfight breakdown going to NA. Lets keep the count...

[@kur0shi]

I would hope they cover some EU as well, but they probably won't for non-english speaking regions because they have their own casting crews and broadcasts separate from Riot's official streams. Let's be real tho NA = EU

[@aydinsalmanli]

Kuroshi That's not first Breakdown. They cover EU and LCK aswell.

[@ofardo8046]

Ayoo Tube to be honest NA is the most hyped of all the regions for the 2018 season so it's obvious that they're going to make more content for this region. I'm not saying that EU doesn't deserve the same treatment, their spring split has been very good and it has been very competitive. But in the end, it's NA who got franchising, not EU. And I think that LCK and LPL should get more recognition and more coverage but only in finals because their English speaking fan base is very small compared to EU and NA.

[@ofardo8046]

Momoko X it's the first breakdown of the 2018 season and he's complaining that it's about NA and not another region...

[@ArJayDM]

Ayoo Tube sry that NA has better production value and teams? idk what you want us to say

[@Zchlong]

Long story, short: MikeYeung's engage was totally unnecessary which costed them the entire game

[@KacciVAL]

Hauntzer was the problem, not Sven

[@brigthgaming4121]

Mithy sholda ulted the zac when coming with e ...

[@lostn65]

is Mike as good as TSM thinks he is?

[@jajajinks1569]

"Stops Jarvan from casting his E Q, which would have knocked up Zac" *Mike does E Q 1 seconds later, messes up combo by casting Q E slowly, doesn't know anybody up

[@LiquidSan]

Mind games. Probably an act of desperation by Mike.

[@sebaba001]

Short-stuns usually mess up combos, happens to everyone. So it is right that the stun is what stopped him from casting it, at least from getting it right.

[@jajajinks1569]

Explaining why a mistake happened doesn't make it any less of a mistake tbh

[@ΓιώργοςΔαδακίδης]

FOX Alistar plays with SKT skin ;)

[@BuffetPentagon]

all i see is mithy whiffing another ult

[@gormenorm1792]

missted this show

[@nelsonsxs3515]

Awsome !!!

[@miyahara901]

thats really nice

[@restlessjuan]

Ekko Fox mechanics lvl = Korean. The decision making is what usually screws NA.

[@DJPonko]

tsm's picks were garbage and this breakdown shows it, when are league teams gonna learn to break out of the accepted meta? like yeah i get it you feel comfortable on some of these champs and laning phase but their team fight efficiency is complete garbage compared to some others

[@Jhawk2711]

ipeeontheworld there's a reason certain champs are meta. It's because they're the best options

[@donemethosit8651]

Better team always win

[@fightingdreamer123]

FOX they have huni what could possibly happen

[@cssghostPL]

Can we have Jatt back? PLS?

[@holyflygon]

then adrian headbutted mike into altec and killed him.

[@TheLukaursic]

there is no comeback if enemy team is just playing like a bunch of apes. this game was so sad to watch...

[@guilhermesantucci]

adrian god

[@lankyhanky7251]

just call it dash dancing

[@lordvig8884]

a deserved win

[@stashotmccat5789]

How Tsm threw against fox*

[@LivinBilly]

Adrian listens to too much Jason Derulo

[@Pyrex92]

Too bad Adrian then headbutted Mikeyeung into Altec or the game could've ended earlier

[@LiquidSan]

Some people just have to pick fault with everything. Bet you are the type of person who chases into the jungle to try and get a kill instead of pushing an advantage or objective

[@Pyrex92]

I mean I noticed the play right away. I was rooting for echo fox and noticed that the play ended up killing Altec. They played that fight near perfect, but maybe they could've gotten more if Altec survived that fight.

[@LiquidSan]

They didnt need more, that was the game winning play. Only would have bolstered their stats which were overshadowed by their now 4-0 win streak

[@Pyrex92]

That play happened at 39 minutes, the game ended at near 56 minutes. That was not the game winning play. It was the game saving play though. If they didn't win that fight, they lose the game, but also could've lost sometime in the next 17 minutes too.

[@heberdo4639]

Menrisa

[@antonmayr1426]

Bjergsen could have canceled the Zac e with his ult. Dadoch would die zven could Play really aggressiv and tsm would win, but bjerg this season is just somehow below average ...

[@sebastiaankruis3006]

Anton Mayr I love how every TSM fan in the comments blames someone else, ever had the idea that all those actions from all the players together made them lose? IF Mike hadn't engaged, IF Hauntzer pushed Nexus turrets, IF Bjerg had cancelled Zacs jump, IF they called to play more passively... You can't just blame one member. Or you can, if you are simple-minded and just need someone to hate.

[@antonmayr1426]

sebastiaan kruis Im a Misfits fan. And the only reason why I emphasise bjergs mistake is because he isnt himself at all this split and that is kinda sad imo

[@Mckibzz]

You must not have watched the video because within it is clearly pointed out that Bjerg DID ult Dardoch but he had already ulted as well and was unstoppable... The slingshot knocked bjerg up and I'm sure he was spamming ult until he hit the ground and actually did ult. I dont see how getting knocked up and ulting as fast as he could means hes below average? And I pray you mean he is below is own average and not the average mid laner because if you think he is only an average player youre out of your mind he just placed second in the 1v1 competition XD

[@antonmayr1426]

John Mckibbin Dude U cant Stop Zac ult but You can Stop his e. On top bjerg is playing insanly bad this split so far for his standards

[@Mckibzz]

So youre saying he should have just stood in place and ulted a tank under his own turret? okay lmao.. Also while you some guy on youtube say that bjerg looks bad the pro analyst's are saying the opposite sooooooo yeah gonna go ahead and not listen to ya.

[@FUJISHIR0]

FNC Huni ! plz

[@albertalmodal4331]

LS's wiggling

[@nanoadi4358]

Wow...

[@KillerBIM1]

I love tsm, but i hate Mike

[@Disasterpiece151]

Freesm

[@PTdoubleOT]

looks like a pretty bad jg swap so far.

[@IceIsak]

and mikeyoung fucked up E Q and did Q E instead

[@GRAV1TY401]

Tsm Omegalul