The BRUTAL Execution Of Thomas More

One of the most prominent Tudor figures during the reign of King Henry VIII was Thomas More. He was an scholar, writer and renaissance man, and his works Utopia and The History of Richard III were celebrated works. During the reign of King Henry, he was very close to the King becoming the Lord Chancellor. He was a man who was very true to his own religion and beliefs though, which contributed greatly to his downfall.
During Thomas More's tenure of Chancellor, he was a prominent politician but also accusations of torture and ill-treatment were levelled at him. He was accused of using violence against suspected heretics and using the Rack inside the Tower of London to interrogate suspects. He did order a number of burnings of Protestants. When the King claimed supremacy over the Church, More had an issue though as he did not support Henry in this. He maintained that the Pope was in control of the church. He also refused to support Anne Boleyn's Queenship, and refused to attend her coronation.
The reason he did this was because himself he was a strong Catholic, and he refused to support the King in these two key policies. The fact he didn't attend Anne's coronation was a slap in the face to the King, and for this he was imprisoned. Whilst inside the Tower of London, he was approached to recant and support the King but refused. Because of this, he was sentenced to death and was beheaded on Tower Hill in front of a huge crowd. He was one of the most influential members of Henry's court, however met his end at the sharp blade of the axe.
So join us today as we look at the 'Brutal Execution of Thomas More.'
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[@Irisheddy]

"The smartest man in the kingdom is Thomas More, and he's against me" ~ Henry VIII

[@PInk77W1]

“I die the Kings good servant, but Gods first.” St Thomas More

[@wozzer3wa]

Still a murder

[@PInk77W1]

@@semperfidelification I think he was working for the STATE. Yes If I try to overthrow a govt Yes I do believe capital punishment will be My reward.

[@PInk77W1]

@@semperfidelification He was the Chancellor of England Not the Chancellor of Religion. It’s against the law to overthrow a govt. that’s when. Also u are trying to compare today with 500yrs ago. Way different.

[@PInk77W1]

@@semperfidelification A religious nutter ? Is that one who gives his life for the faith ?

[@PInk77W1]

@@semperfidelification So is every govt official today who puts people to death by capital punishment a religious nutter ? LoL. You are sadly mis informed. Movie of the Year 1966 Man For All Seasons.

[@uptonsavoie]

Now a retired lawyer, when in practice I kept a picture of St. Thomas More on the wall of my law office. My first son was baptized Thomas More.

[@pinkknight9]

He is not as popular here in the Philippines, a Catholic Country. A priest actually talked about his life, he did not implied St. Thomas More's name. I told my Mom the priest is talking about St. Thomas More, patron of lawyers.

[@uptonsavoie]

@@pinkknight9 I used to belong to an international group of St. Thomas More fans (if that is the appropriate word; not all of the members were Catholic or religious) called Amici Thomae Mori. It published a periodical called Moreana by scholars and had regular meetings. Might still be in existence. Yale University published the complete works of St. Thomas More, of which I still have several volumes. The play by Robert Bolt, A Man for all Seasons, has been made into a couple of movies, the better of which is the one starring Charlton Heston.

[@timirish2563]

He is the Patron of lawyers and of statesmen. He knew what morality and ethics were. Playwright Robert Bolt (A Man For All Season) considered More the very first existentialist philosopher. The only kingdom one may rule is ones self.

[@j0nnyism]

“I do ask for the kings mercy for I am not a brave man” you were braver than you ever knew.

[@philo5096]

He was twice the man Henry would ever be.

[@sylviaparsons4761]

He was very brave watching all the terrible tortures he ordered.

[@bluelady4183]

He was a real bloody killer!!! As Catholics do ... man made saints!!!

[@sonofamun8122]

@@philo5096 History records he died a traitor to his country

[@robrfoster]

A weak and scared man tortures another

[@michaelpaparelli3227]

Is it me or do the period of the Tudors make Game of thrones look like an episode of sesame street? Lol!

[@CarlosGarcia-kt2du]

Seriously! 🤦🏻‍♂️ have you watched the Tutors? Now I’m more inclined to watch the series

[@Camaink1]

Great series man the casting is superb the only one that does no look alike is king Henry!

[@GRIMSBONIAN13]

The Plantagenants were much worse.

[@BruceRioux]

@@Camaink1 Henry is altogether much too slim and prettified.

[@hillarymack3207]

Game of Thrones was a complete fairytale.

[@shoutinghorse]

Little did Anne Boleyn know that she only had a year left to live herself.

[@nightlightabcd]

I have NO sympathy for any of these evil, wicked people!

[@shoutinghorse]

@@nightlightabcd Evil and Wicked, Anne Boleyn ??

[@NaysayKen]

@Fayth Osborn True, however Mark Smeaton was her musician at court who was one of the accused men she allegedly slept with but she didn’t why, well in her own words she declared to poor Mark that she would not address him with respect because he is an “inferior person” meaning a commoner or peasant, so that’s why you should not defend someone who considers themselves superior based on birth or social status but that’s how they all think, still do as well.

[@marichuvinas6848]

Anne was too arrogant. Dangerous even today. David from London in the Philippines.

[@marichuvinas6848]

@@NaysayKen you are correct David from London in the Philippines

[@michaelnewton1332]

“Be not afraid of your office. You send me to God.”

[@bobbonj1171]

“I die the king's faithful servant, but God's first”

[@timirish2563]

"He would not refuse one who is so blyth to go to him..."

[@PInk77W1]

“Fill your mind with good thoughts or the devil will fill it with bad.” St Thomas More

[@thudar9]

Amen

[@Ratatoskr0_0]

I'm a descendant of St. Sir Thomas. He was true to his king, but he was also faithful to his beliefs.

[@DHarri9977]

He was faithful to the King of Kings.

[@mariaobeirne514]

You must be very proud.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

God First

[@wendit-md4de]

Hi, my husband is a decendant too...

[@fabianwylie8707]

A man of a true standing and back bone , wouldn’t see this in a currant government or even the royal family

[@bekytwining2522]

He might have been made à Saint but he was à ruthless and torturer opponent but thé Catholics that was forgotten.

[@alecblunden8615]

@@bekytwining2522 Not a nice man.

[@arminius301]

What an absolutely ignorant comment to post! He was responsible for the merciless torture and murder of numerous people who would not succumb to the catholic church. Your ignorance is the reason why this oppression has not been stopped for centuries! Thomas More deserved execution but a truly Christian jury would have acquitted him of the charges in hopes he would repent of his evil crimes and be baptized into love and truth!

[@JB-cg8jr]

Wow! I did ancestry DNA, made a tree, and this man is my 11th great grandfather! Couldn't believe it after doing all the research. Thanks for making this video!

[@karakjellander]

Ancestry shows that he's my 13th Great Grandfather! Hey cousin! 👋

[@yo_darlin151]

and your ancestor is a saint verified by the Catholic Church (my religion). 🙂

[@rnklv8281]

Depending on the actions/mood of King Henry VIII , being at "court" could be dangerous, even a friend, trusted, advisor and "Man for all Seasons" was not safe.

[@neyneyNunya]

I would have rather been a peasant during the Tudor’s reign than a Courtier at his court.

[@belmum1689]

@@neyneyNunya I think I would prefer to be beheaded, than be burnt at the stake.

[@lindamckinney3509]

sadly, they didnt have a choice.

[@archimedesmaid3602]

@@michelekossack1861 So, we get to murder people because our brains are not perfect?

[@shahrulamar5358]

During Stalin regime in Soviet Union , some of Stalin friends and trusted officers were also tortured or executed. 😟😟😟

[@jinzo457]

"Thomas More? More like Thomas No-More." - Henry VIII (probably).

[@borismuller86]

You give him too much credit. He was not a funny man.

[@feraligatorade99]

@@borismuller86 honestly if anyone made that joke it would've been More himself

[@magpiper29310]

St. Thomas More pray for us

[@ilikefreespeech3565]

Henry was killing everybody

[@Kitiwake]

79,000

[@Saucyakld]

He was a nutter, but a dangerous one!

[@shawnastephens1536]

Sometimes I'm amazed that this stuff really happened. People back then were so mean to each others

[@mj9949]

Yeah, and we think it’s bad now

[@danielintheantipodes6741]

Things have not changed much.

[@donallally4892]

Absolutely so indeed, those times were brutal and awful and very corrupt, and those who were involved in the death of St Thomas More, all were executed accordingly, God bless his Holy Soul

[@philo5096]

Henry the Vlll was a serial killer.

[@Kitiwake]

It's recorded that he cried like a child when he didn't get his way.

[@BruceRioux]

@@Kitiwake Another spoiled brat.

[@valerieloney5565]

Sadistic

[@punkwrestle]

No he was the king and to go against him was to go against the country, so those he killed were traitors.

[@philo5096]

@@punkwrestle a good excuse for murder

[@kr9297]

This kind of brutality was common everywhere around the world at the time not just England.

[@caroline-9672]

Watch it return for a time under the great reset

[@russelltalker]

It seems like brutality and horrors are the default or human nature and I believe it is more prevalent that any of us like to imagine. I have a theory, a strong suspicion, that the ever present notion in literature and religion and art of the battle between so called good an evil is an expression of the battle between civilization and nature, which I believe is a problem that is the inevitable result of the great gap between the time scales of evolutionary progress and technological or intellectual and academic progress, meaning that according to the snail that is evolution we are still on the plains and in the caves and playing with stones. That's what an alien might decipher if all it had to go on was the DNA of some person and he tried to reverse engineer what our world must be like. We have an enormous evolutionary heritage that was acquired along the very long way up the tree of life to the point of technological and societal revolution which literally picked us up out of the jungle and dropped us on our asses in an apartment block in downtown wherever. That's what I refer to as the gap. Back to the point, If you look at parts of the world today that are way behind in civilization, you find these things. And in first world countries they exist as anomalies good for the news. In some places horrors don't even make the news. So I think there is actually a world of everyday horrors in third world countries that most of the world is totally unaware of. I live in South Africa which is an inbetween country. Nobody could really decide if it's third world or not. But in using todays terminology, definitely developing and not developed. So we have a couple of horrors here too. One of them is necklacing in vigilante justice. I'll never forget a 20 something naive white coworker one day telling me of something incredible he found out about our country on youtube. He always had a creepy story and had a macabre curiosity and internet addiction like me. And he began explaining the process of necklacing. And I looked at him in amazement the whole time because I could not believe that he grew up here and he only found out about it's existence yesterday on youtube as a grown man, meanwhile vigilante justice is an everyday thing of which one method is the necklace. Yep, every day. In this manner I believe the world is teeming with every day or maybe hourly horrors and acts of incomprehensible violence, the kind that makes people lust for it and go raving as a mob looking for it, and we only ever see the tip of the iceberg in media and thats only if we are particularly curious about the macabre. But who could know the true scale of the violence in the world?

[@aanchal-annaleedeprince5525]

Yes true. Rome for example many places had it . the problem was high leaders were blood thirsty.

[@caroline-9672]

@George Duffy then I shouldn't have thrown by pearls to a swine, the will only laugh at me.oink!

[@waynegoddard4065]

It still is. Execution still has a place in the middle east. They still crucify people in some places.

[@dawni5365]

As much as I think I would have loved court life I think I'd opt out and stay in the country

[@borismuller86]

I’d like to visit court but that would be enough.

[@marciaspiegel5280]

Smart choice....stay far away from the king.

[@PInk77W1]

There was about 20 Catholic bishops at the time of Henry taking over the church in England. Only one stood up to him St John Fisher • pray for us

[@Ian6245]

Thomas Moore was canonised in 1935 by the Roman Catholic Church, and apparently nemed patron saint of statesmen in 2000. Why is that not mentioned?

[@birgittabirgersdatter8082]

A person who *wants* to find fault, is a person who *will* find fault. Aren’t you embarrassed to *be* that person?

[@RobertEWaters]

More. Maybe because he's an embarassment?

[@Ian6245]

Pope Pius XI is known as a man of integrity, so there must have been some theological reason for making More a saint. It is unbalanced that this video mentions his support in the Anglican Church, but not his role as a Catholic saint.

[@Kitiwake]

The Catholic Church

[@denismguitar1552]

Because he tortured and murdered people that didn’t believe like the horrifically evil Roman Catholic Church of that day?

[@chrisbrown8640]

One account describes the executioner as being close to tears and begging forgiveness....More placed a comforting hand on his shoulder and said "Thou canst do me no greater benefit in this world, pluck up thy spirit man and be not afraid to perform thine office...."

[@borismuller86]

Balls of steel.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

that has happened in modern time execution.

[@od1452]

He didn't seem to have much mercy if you were not a Catholic ..

[@Kitiwake]

Foxe's Book of Martyrs which promoted the protestant black legend against Saint Thomas More is now known by historians to be an exaggerated piece of fake news.

[@BruceRioux]

@@Kitiwake I agree.

[@punkwrestle]

@@Kitiwake What exactly was fake and is this just papist propaganda?

[@Kitiwake]

@@punkwrestle "exactly" i don't know... But i do know that he used the same illustrations to describe several different executions. You can read about it here www-patheos-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/03/inaccuracies-of-anti-catholic-foxes-book-of-martyrs.html/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16097179635061&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fdavearmstrong%2F2016%2F03%2Finaccuracies-of-anti-catholic-foxes-book-of-martyrs.html But more to the point. I notice you use the word "papist" which is a pejorative word. Ask yourself.. Are you still willing to live you life and attitudes through the lens of 16th century England?

[@philo5096]

U mean if u were a catholic.

[@raulcarmello1163]

Beheaded with just one blow, Thomas was a lucky man, the number of blows depended on the executioner's mood towards the victim , it was a show off, to kill with just one blow was the equivalent of Mike Tyson ending the fight in the first round, no fun for the crowd.

[@BruceRioux]

Have you ever seen the REAL ax that was used? It's in the Tower, in a glass case. It was a "kindling" ax, completely unsuited to behead anyone. All these Hollywood executioners with huge headsman's axes are all nonsense.

[@Florahitman]

@@BruceRioux Have you seen it yourself? Because that axe is quite suiteable for the job it was intended for.

[@raulcarmello1163]

@@BruceRioux did not know about that thank you for the info

[@pamelaalsop7772]

& sobriety!

[@russelltofts3673]

This is wrong. In fact it took three blows of the axe to sever his head, owing to the executioner being young and inexperienced.

[@PsychicLord]

The fact that his head came off in a single blow means that it was not so brutal after all.

[@davidleethompsoniii8263]

True!

[@carolflower8015]

Almost enjoyable by contemporary standards lol

[@mrbrightside4278]

Listen to yourself. Not brutal?

[@johnrowe3192]

I love English history! I love the informational videos you do! Thank you, and hope you have a good , blessed new year! Thanks brother! J.R. Michigan, US@

[@marshallmoore435]

I love English history also. It is so not like today. It is fascinating that people lived, thought, and died for the reasons they did.

[@johnrowe3192]

Thanks and blessed you! Have an awesome new year!!

[@johnrowe3192]

@@marshallmoore435 Right brother, it definitely was a brutal time!

[@Annasea666]

I'd love to see a documentary about real English history without the posts mentioning Game of Thrones. We know. We know.

[@oliversmith9200]

LOL, the dream of utopia survives the title's author all these centuries after the fall of the Lannisters... Along with impish cruelties from those whom succor would normally be expected. Pity the good and persevering, such as yourself, in such a sick humored kingdom.

[@borismuller86]

Game Of Thrones is just a horny English history fan-fiction.

[@michaelkiddle3149]

And the atrocities committed in the name of religion continue to this day

[@Telechontar09]

More was as guilty as anyone of theocratic executions.

[@scottrichards9674]

Indeed

[@johndunn4182]

Got anything to say about the atrocities of atheists like every leader of the Soviet Union, Chinese Communists, North Korea, Hitler and the Nazis, Socialists and Fascists just to name a few?

[@Telechontar09]

@@johndunn4182 Most, if not all fascist forces, were religious.

[@scottrichards9674]

Still to this day ,I say this with all due respect with no offense, but no Catholic can ever sit on the throne of england.

[@otma2011]

He spent years going after protestants and having them burned, his demise wasn't nearly as awful as his own victims'...

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

It’s important to remember, Moore believed as most did at the time, religion before everything, even before life itself. He believes what he was doing was Gods work and sending to god the souls to a second judgement. Though in comparison to Queen Mary, Moore is a saint

[@Jack-yf9bc]

Yes I agree. You reap why you sew. I won’t cry over Moore.

[@philo5096]

So true

[@moniquewhite2850]

We believe in Christ killing each other is awful. (GOD forbid) he warns against killing

[@richlopez4466]

@@mysticdragonwolf89 Queen Mary only had around 300 executed while Queen Elizabeth I. had over 3,000 executed

[@printolive5512]

Burning political and religious opponents as he did, it seems rather strange to me that my church anointed him a saint !

[@scipioafricanus2212]

Martyrdom for the faith trumps everything else apparently

[@georgedonnellan36]

Indeed. You will meet ppl like him in heaven.. lol

[@cetdac3]

Well history was written about him after his death and it wouldn't do to make out they had just beheaded him because he disagreed with the king.

[@leedsboy64]

good for you honesty at last should never be a saint

[@misiasert1348]

A man for all seasons indeed.. Learnt too late just to agree,we're a long time dead

[@BobAg_]

Problem was the crowd were chanting his name and all the executioner heard was 'More! More!"

[@Apegabe]

🤣

[@oliversmith9200]

From his candid humility at the gallows, More himself may have smiled and nodded at your pun-ishing wit... You devil.

[@georgemackins9500]

😂😂 that jokes got a monty python/blackadder feel to it

[@sassytbc7923]

Sorry y’all.. joking about someone’s death, even someone who passed this long ago is horrible.

[@Apegabe]

@@sassytbc7923 I’m really not laughing at his death... I just thought the reference of the joke was funny. But I’m fully conscious this was a real man who suffered a bad death... however he was not a saint either, regardless doesn’t make his death right but speaking realistically.

[@MacMeelo]

So glad I was born in this era...

[@Blue-hf7xt]

The torture is done in other ways, hand cuffs, tazers, taxes, illegal mandates, laws that are unconstitutional, fear propaganda from government. If you really look at medical.....you would see the torture inflicted on people. The torture is accepted by government and citizens.

[@Theogenerang]

'A Man for All Seasons' doesn't spend much time discussing Mores persecution of Protestants and banning bibles.

[@ohmightywez]

Because there’s not much to say.

[@oledocfarmer]

Bibles weren’t banned. Misleading TRANSLATIONS were banned. The Prostitant Revolution (it was in no way a reformation), initiated by the bipolar, highly unstable Luther on HALLOWEEN, 1517, represented nothing less than a wicked mess of error and self-contradiction. It destabilized European society. By attacking the role and authority of the visible Church (the role of which had been to protect the natural rights of the common people), it paved the way for every totalitarian system to follow. By exalting personal conscience (regardless of whether the conscience was well-formed or malformed) over the authority of the teaching Church, Christian unity was torn asunder. And that particular Prostitant error led inexorably to the horrors of the French Revolution and other diabolical Freemason-inspired atrocities. I Prostitants killed Catholics and vice versa. But In England, the Catholics suffered degrees of magnitude worse than Prostitants because there were so many Catholics…. Until Henry VIII and his villains had accomplished an early form of genocide (in the north especially). What I think is most striking about these Prostitant revolutionaries is how UN-Christlike they were. It was never the nature of Christ to upset the established order or break the peace. Never. But Luther, Calvin, and the rest of these lunatics willfully rained down death, destruction, and terror throughout all of Europe. And to what advantage? None. Christendom was destroyed, and Christ’s Church was subjected to the fickle rule of the secular power.

[@yomilalgro]

Exactly

[@shooterdownunder]

@@oledocfarmer as usual someone has to publish a lot of unverified lies that ignore historical evidence and rewrites history.

[@georgedonnellan36]

Indeed

[@Prettywhite4awhiteguy]

Geez, you'd think someone during this time would realize that you didn't want to be a close adviser to Henry VIII lol

[@raccuia1]

Or dating partner or wife.

[@jumaris28]

A truly man which stood for his principals and values instead of a kings ambitions !!!!!

[@davegodden8586]

His head is preserved, as the ledger stone says in the clip, in the Roper family vault in St Dunstans Church, Canterbury.

[@muchasgracias6976]

The dude qualified as a lawyer back in the day. I can picture his business card : 'St Thomas More- crusade injury and leech negligence specialist lawyer. All cases undertaken on a no win, no duckets basis'

[@jonathandnicholson]

Thomas More is saint of the Catholic Church...

[@philo5096]

He was also a killer

[@jonathandnicholson]

@@philo5096 Yep... I think the fact he had people executed is covered in the video...

[@jonathandnicholson]

@@dee8714 Thomas More is a saint, whether you like that fact or not. I was correcting the record, not endorsing or rebuking More.

[@robbliss9149]

@@jonathandnicholson He is also an Anglican saint. Go figure.

[@jonathandnicholson]

@@robbliss9149 Okay.

[@davesmith7432]

The more I hear about Henry 8 The more I dislike him! I wonder if he ever had the courage to watch his victims die.

[@Camaink1]

Nope it was against the law! The king could not be present on the executions!

[@davesmith7432]

@@Camaink1 this is a serious question, I’m not trying to be a smart ass. How do you know?

[@ghislainecarasco2804]

Henry the 8th was cruel but also was manupilate by cromwell also who close to him that the spirit of anne boylen anc cathrine howard jane seymore kathrine parr anne of cleves there spirit never left or rest

[@BruceRioux]

No, apparently not. As king, he could have done anything he wished as well.

[@ghislainecarasco2804]

True to have u ever watch white princess white queen and the spanish princess on stars

[@CashelOConnolly]

Saint Thomas More

[@vincentmedina]

That's *St.* Thomas More, sir

[@MrAlcazar]

"A Man For All Seasons."

[@philo5096]

Great movie.

[@michaelnewton1332]

Paul Schofield as St. Thomas More is arguably the greatest Oscar winning performance in history.

[@philo5096]

@@michaelnewton1332 yea, he was great. And Robert Shaw as Henry, fantastic.

[@michaelnewton1332]

@@philo5096 hard to believe sometimes he was the same guy that played Quint in Jaws

[@philo5096]

@@michaelnewton1332 thats right, he was a great actor.

[@bobbysalkeld2634]

How many people did Henry the VIII execute?

[@alhilford2345]

How many..? About 57,000, including his wives and his mother's cousin, Margaret Pole. His daughter, Elizabeth, was just as bad.

[@bobbysalkeld2634]

@@alhilford2345 Jesus, and I've gathered as much about his daughter. Thanks for taking the time to help me. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth executed a lot of people too. I guess everyone forgot about Jesus's teachings, love thy enemy.

[@fmcevoy1]

More is the greatest figure in English literature between Chaucer and Shakespeare. He is well remembered for his great wit and sense of humor.

[@Moishe555]

meh

[@KempSimon]

And for the hatchet job which he did on poor King Richard III, who lost both his crown and his life on Bosworth Field fighting against a bastard usurper from Wales called Henry Tydor?

[@fmcevoy1]

@@KempSimon You're correct, Simon. Henry VII's mother could have murdered the Princes in the Tower.

[@roberthardy3090]

William Tyndale's Bible translation provided over three quarters of the eventual. King James Authorised version, I think that qualifies him as by far the greater and more influential writer of the English language in that period.

[@davidharbron6907]

"his head was thrown off the bridge to make room for others". Brutil times.

[@robertsolimanm7031]

It would probably be quicker to make a video on the people Henry the 8th didn’t execute

[@goyonman9655]

This is a lie

[@susanlogue5217]

Isn't his last name spelled Moore? All the history books I read have spelled Thomas Moore 's last name was Moore!

[@markchambers3833]

No, it's spelt More. I've never seen any variant spelling of his name. There's a poet called Thomas Moore, are you sure you're not mixing the two up?

[@RobertEWaters]

No,

[@sallyspencer5624]

@@markchambers3833 He's the same one I believe and wrote a lovely poem to his wife who recovered from small pox and was afraid to come out of her room because of pox marks. In England the spelling of the name Moore is Moore. Small pox spreads like wild fire, they all had it, but the artists didn't paint the pox marks on their paintings.

[@Terri_MacKay]

I've read many books on the Tudor period, and I've only ever seen his name spelled "More".

[@markchambers3833]

@@sallyspencer5624 One and the same guy, sadly a bit out of fashion these days. Thomas Moore does have the advantage over Sir Thomas More of not being a torturin' murderin' religious zealot. ;)

[@jknaputo4804]

St Thomas More line was Immortal, " I die as Kings good servant but God's first". Few people have this kind of courage and grace to face death for Love of Truth and belief of God's Supremacy.😊

[@kevinastraw]

There is nothing true in religion, it is a faith.

[@jknaputo4804]

@@kevinastraw It is like saying Faith is false when human lives depend on faith to keep going.....

[@kevinastraw]

@@jknaputo4804 that lives depend upon a belief does not make it true, consider how many Romans, Greeks etc. so believed. And Nazis!

[@jknaputo4804]

@@kevinastraw that's your opinion sir, I respect.... but St. Thomas More live his life in faith and he proves it true by accepting death and many saints did.

[@kevinastraw]

@@jknaputo4804 clearly you misunderstand what the word truth means.

[@awomansfriend5784]

I would love to be immune to everything during this error including not getting hurt. And go in to this decade for a few hours just to get a feel of what life was really like.

[@zeejimi4044]

I detest vicious dictators like Henry VIII. Unfortunately there have been many like him throughout history, and only a few of them were overthrown and killed. Henry died basically of a natural death, perhaps hastened by some ailments which he contracted through his promiscuity.

[@ThurstonWhore1]

A true Tyrant.

[@philo5096]

He was a spoiled punk, as a kid they say if he didn't get his way, he would start crying and screaming. He was a real creep.

[@zeejimi4044]

@@philo5096 Indeed - what frightens and fascinates me is that such psychopathic/narcissistic tyrannts always find ways of getting control of people and things. Henry VIII did it by having people brutally and publicly executed as a deterrent to anyone who was even thinking about resisting him in any way. If he didn‘t have a reason to have a person executed, he set up a mock trial to have them convicted, typically of „treason“, which was his favourite crime, as treason was anything that didn‘t suit the king. The jurors knew that if they found someone innocent of which the king deemed to be guilty, then they themselves would soon be found guilty of treason too, and would be brutally executed too, usually by hanging, drawing, and quartering. Personally, I have experienced narcissists and psychopaths like Henry in my professional life, and in my private life, and they stop at nothing to have their own way. Fortunately such people today don‘t have the power that Henry had then. The more common methods used today by such people to get their own way are deception, swindle, lying, thieving, fraud, back-stabbing, and sometimes even (domestic) violence. People need to beware of the dangers of narcissists and psychopaths whom we meet in our daily lives, so as not to be used, abused, and robbed by them. They make up about 4% of the world‘s population.

[@philo5096]

@@zeejimi4044 so true

[@crystalglass7106]

His brother, Benjamin, made great paint

[@MrOnionterror]

Seems a bit harsh that people were hassling him about paperwork on his way to the scaffold.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Well he seemed to be negligent in his responsibilities to his clients. Too busy with Politics.

[@bazzatheblue]

So it was Sir Thomas who first blackened Richard the thirds name then.

[@pdstor]

Didn't he do that himself with the slayings at the Tower?

[@dannymelvin1166]

@@pdstor That's also disputed. The two boys may or may not have been Edward V and Benjamin.

[@scotniver7180]

Can I request you make a presentation and analysis of Francios Damien ** the last public execution "" Down town Paris France "" Thank you

[@caroline-9672]

Thomas went to his death being true to God

[@bethgiven7515]

Oohkay interesting. I’m directly related to Thomas More (I’m passionate about ancestry and have been working on it since 2013). Really interesting, thank you!

[@dukadarodear2176]

Interesting. Are you old English Catholic?

[@bethgiven7515]

I’m not sure how long that side was old English Catholic but my grandpa was an agnostic who became a Christian later through the marriage of my grandma. So no I’m not old English Catholic.

[@JB-cg8jr]

After doing Ancestry DNA I found out More is my 11th great grandfather. Pretty neat!

[@ConfusedGoat13]

@@JB-cg8jr But you have over 2000 11th great grandfathers, odds are pretty good everyone is related to a historical figure if they go back far enough.

[@lauramasters6795]

I found out Thomas More is my relative on my mom's side of the family

[@teresaniumata2742]

Thank you for sharing. May God bless you.

[@paulthompkins4150]

Is it Thomas More's head that has been passed down over the centuries and to this day is in some private collectors possession?

[@ambreeniram2268]

St Thomas More was so good to Henry Viii yet he was executed proving everything Henry touched turned to dust. Be it his wives or advisors.

[@simonslater9024]

The only thing Henry Vlll,was boss of was the cult of England. There’s one Church the holy Catholic Church. St Thomas More pray for us and please give me 1% of your courage. Those who wilfully reject the holy Catholic Church will be damned. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!!

[@roblove8354]

Sorry , but you seem to be a sanctimonious individual and deserve to be damned for your closed mind attitude. Just because you are a Catholic zealot does not mean you are correct. Jesus had an open mind, why not you. Rob

[@tattie278]

Simon Slater, I assume you include all the children still being abused by the holy Roman church; you need help.

[@dukadarodear2176]

I was born and reared a Catholic. It's a cultural phenomenon. There is no afterlife and of course, no God.

[@Smarterthanyou-mthrfkr]

What an idea, a rule of law using reason!.

[@nightlightabcd]

Depends one ones sense of reason!

[@punkwrestle]

Wrote the guy who burned people alive who worshipped differently.

Saint Thomas More..may God be with you...

[@rogueriderhood1862]

A saint who was happy to see people burned alive for a difference in religion.

[@rogueriderhood1862]

@Bosco's box More was certainly imperfect, and anyone who causes the human misery which he did is more deserving of the fires of hell than sainthood. More was 'martyred' because of his arrogance and no more deserves canonisation than I do.

[@Mr.mallaer]

At this time period, the king was accuser, and judge at the same time. King didn’t need any proof nor evidence to accuse anyone he didn’t like of some made up crime and sentence them based on these lies to death.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

Still happens today by police, judges, and juries.

[@neyneyNunya]

More was an old friend of Henry VIII too!

[@nadyarossi5102]

With a "friend" like Henry VIII, you didn't need enemies.

[@kerryevans7283]

How could someone who sentenced people to burn at the stake become a saint?

[@punkwrestle]

If you look at most of the papist “Saints” they were mostly terrible people who shed much blood.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

That's never been a concern of Rome and they're still doing it, i.e. trying to saint the blood-thirty murderous Croatian bishop in WW2. Worse than any Nazi = Catholic saint.

[@Kitiwake]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 what's this ..bigots corner? What do you know about canonization? A. Nothing.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@Kitiwake Name calling with false quasi-assertions is never a counter argument. Its the hallmark of someone who has no floor to stand on

[@Mcbabygravy]

Man went out like a Boss!

[@jl696]

He was my patron saint.

[@richardsrichards2984]

Do a video on the death of king charles.

[@ambermaccraig7316]

I enjoy watching these short documentaries about the executions of various ppl from history. I like watching longer videos but these are very informative nonetheless.

[@YourOldUncleNoongah]

Henry the 8th is basically modern day far left. On one day you may be their friend, then the next forever their enemy. They always eat their own. it was as relevant back then as it is today.

[@mahismail2787]

What a brave man !

[@hillarymack3207]

I would never want to be in the privy Council it seems to always lead to death 💀

[@KempSimon]

King Henry VIII's personality changed dramatically after he fell from his horse during a jousting tournament and suffered a hairline fracture of the skull. It's one of history's great ironies that the Duke of Norfolk, the religious conservative who sent Protestant upstart Thomas Cromwell to the block, was due to be beheaded himself on the day that King Henry VIII died of gangrene. So being a member of the Privy Council wasn't always the equivalent of a death sentence!

[@belmum1689]

Actually u would b/c u would be living in luxury...............until u lose your head.

[@QueenCityFilmsComm]

Greta insightful content! Keep up the great work!

[@mcaddicts]

What wasn't treason in Tudor England.

[@hanifkhawaja2396]

Henry viii was a bloodthirsty king.

[@elizabethspedding1975]

I think Henry 8th was a horrible person.

[@jamesbarber2882]

After my mother in law !

[@marshallmoore435]

@denise bond I have thought about this. Today it is illegal to rob graves or dig them up. Unless they are old. In the name of archeology, or the possibility of finding treasure. In a thousand years from now, we will not be remembered and if there is an acceptable reason, they may dig us up.

[@burlhorse61]

@denise bond but he was evil-even for that time period

[@mueber0513]

Read Peter Ackroyd's wonderful biography of More before making lopsided judgements. More was not perfect, but he was a brilliant man at a violent time.

[@karenstrong6734]

People needed to stop judging a mid 16th century man by today standards, yes what he did was brutal to the Protestants. People need to realize that Protestantism was a new religion at the time, that most Catholics didn’t view non Catholics as human beings but as heretics. Also like most Catholics in his time, they just have a completely worldview than we do today.

[@1aikane]

Brutality and disregard of human life. Free thinking wasn't tolerated. The violence of this era was horrific! What a hideous culture that existed then.

[@Hannah-fs1oh]

Not too much different from today. Only thing lacking is the public beheading in this country. So far.

[@BruceRioux]

@@Hannah-fs1oh You are right on the money.

[@1aikane]

@@Hannah-fs1oh I agree. I think now economic warfare, reputation destruction, and other nefarious methods have taken the place of the violence

[@kirkmorrison6131]

My baptismal St and a truly honest man

[@islandblind]

You (or your parents) made a good choice there. My confirmation saint is Maximilian Kolbe, but I like Thomas More too.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@islandblind thanks

[@rickg39180]

He presided over an endless parade of torturing and capital punishment. I find it hard to regard him as a saint.

[@NGC-gu6dz]

Tldr; Henry chopped another notable dude's head off.

[@ebonyloveivory]

This is an underrated comment.🤣 it was practically Henry's day job tbh.

[@oliversmith9200]

Make way for the king and his pug royal dong! Let none say nay, lest they not live long!

[@MikeS309]

Yeah.....not really all that brutal of an execution

[@markmccormack1796]

Richard Rich came out of this mess very well off. Sometimes crime does pay, especially with Henry VIII in charge.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

How? His health was horrible. That leg ulcer festered He became a laggard.

[@adrianjohnson7920]

@@Blue-hf7xt You're speaking of Henry, not Richard Rich, who was a young healthy guy who got rich.

[@Darellbefree]

Imagine all these people that died; Thomas Moore included. I wonder if they had hopes of being resurrected. It's fascinating

[@pdstor]

Of course we do! Whatever quibbles I'd have with Moore I'd agree with him on Who he's dying for - and would only hope and pray I'd do the same.

[@cassandraking6603]

I doubt his depraved ass was resurrected to anything good.

[@jaytrace1006]

It seems odd to me that Moore is considered a saint. We are told that he was against translation of the Bible, enabling the common to read the Word of God. He was ok with physical punishment and even killing of people he considered “heretics”. He had strong feelings about Henry VIII taking another wife, and declaring himself head of the Church of England. However, Henry VIII had some 70000 people executed during his reign, and that was just fine, I guess.

[@thomashogan4908]

He was against an unauthorized translation of the Bible, and 95% of the people couldn't read anyway. You need to read real history, not protestant nonsense.

[@jaytrace1006]

He should have verified its accuracy then, if it was such a big deal. The Word is for everyone, or it’s for no one. It’s not up to “holy” men as to who is “authorized” to translate the Word of God. It was men considered in a position of authority in the church that lobbied the hardest for Christ to die on the Cross.

[@thomashogan4908]

@@jaytrace1006 Such a poor bigoted son of protestant nonsense. Do you read a translation of the JW Bible? WHY? Your "holy men" don't believe it's accurate. Think about it.

[@garibaldi54]

Watching these videos one thing strikes me as being very strange, despite how brutal and primitive this society was the people seemed to speak so eloquantly and seemingly with such intelligence. Even moreso than you would find today.

[@jonathanwilliams4348]

There's a reason for that, I'm afraid.

[@goyonman9655]

Being refined and uppity is no deterent to barbarism

[@Blue-hf7xt]

today people don't have the intelligence and eloquent..we have politicians, a public school system of dumbing down, high illiteracy rate, more prisons(thanks to government), more crime, wars...shall I go on?

[@stevenleslie8557]

Actually, beheading was the preferred method amoung those condemned to die. There were other methods which were extremely brutal.

[@Rheinhard]

All the endless encomiums about poor poor noble saintly Thomas More always piss me off. Everyone forgets exactly how brutal More was toward protestants under his rule. How many ordinary English civilians did he put to the torch because of their religious views? But we’re supposed to get all weepy when his chickens came home to roost?

[@madasahatter5514]

He ordered the execution and punishment of others including a child? Sounds to me like he was not a very nice man and may have got what he deserved. I'm surprised he is considered a saint by some in the C of E. Not deserving of that title imo.

[@eleganne5154]

I do agree with your sentiments. The Church of England has no mechanism for canonizing saints - Thomas More is simply commemorated in the Anglican church calendar of saints (July 6), only because he was martyred for the religion he believed in, when he could’ve easily saved himself by doing exactly what the king wanted him to do. I certainly don’t venerate More, nor does any other Anglican that I personally know. And being on the calendar of saints does not give him official heavenly status. His death was relatively merciful, and it’s enough for me, to believe that afterwards he got the judgement that he deserved.

[@BruceRioux]

@@eleganne5154 He is a saint in the Catholic Church.

[@silversurfer7079]

More was not 'the decent bloke',i may have seen him as at one time.

[@Eris123451]

"TheUntoldPast does not accept any racism, profanity, insults, sexism or any negative discussion aimed at an individual. TheUntoldPast has the right to delete any comment with this content inside it and also ban the user from the channel ?" Go for it.

[@johnwatts8346]

this entire era just seems rotten and awful and horrible,

[@brianwitton5061]

This is a message from England,don’t mess with us.

[@TheBlackPrince447]

Crazy how fanatical people were about religion in these periods, he willingly give up his life and left his wife and children penniless because he wouldn't take an oath.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

I don't think his wife and children were penniless

[@davidborunsky6681]

Printer go brrrrr, Henry go chopchopchop

[@CarpDiemBaby]

God bless the Catholic Church, the one true Apostolic Church 🇻🇦

[@Min61449]

I suspect a flawed man. He was given a merciful death but when he had power he condemned others to the horror of burning.

[@Kitiwake]

Are you sure he condemned, or was it the law?

[@Min61449]

@@Kitiwake it was the law at the time Wolsey was Chancellor but burnings increased under Thomas More’s Chancellorship. Given Wolsey was a high churchman and More a layman I think that is significant.

[@sueGentles]

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