The Butcher Baker: Alaska’s Most Dangerous Game

[@karenneill9109]

I’m a retired SLP (speech language pathologist). Forcing someone to write with their other hand shouldn’t create a stutter. If a child is predisposed to a stutter and they have an overbearing, or cruel parent, the stutter can easily get worse. My guess is that as he hit school his father became embarrassed of the left handedness and the stutter, and added psychological pressure, and his stutter got worse.

[@matthewdopler8997]

Yeah I was also thinking about how it sounded off since different parts of the brain regulate speech and movement.

[@jdhutchinson506]

What about the dyslexic stammer and ambidextrous tendecies of dyslexics.

[@KraftyKreator]

Out if curiosity, does singing and speech tutoring help stuttering or is the only thing that works is speech therapy?

[@justmytw0cents]

@@matthewdopler8997 I also want to know about this.

[@kierankowalczyk4398]

There was a trend in those days in at least midwestern towns of enforcing conformit, making lefties write with the right. And I had always understood that as having harmful neurological consequences in a young brain. My uncle fit the bill.

[@firesighnavatar3283]

"you can't rape a prostitute, can you?" no, this is actually a pretty common line of thought. too many people think that "paying for sex" = "ANY kind of sex is ok". ppl don't consider that ur paying for a specific sex act. u don't buy a regular cheeseburger and then get mad when it ISN'T a big mac, but ppl don't think of sex workers and what they do the same way. there's a REASON sex workers are unfortunately considered the "less dead" in high school (mid 2000s), multiple times I heard from fellow students that we have to stop prostitution to protect women from rape. bc "you can't rape a prostitute". it's sick and disgusting, but human beings are pretty shitty too much of the time

[@cloutcult]

The wilder part to me is that he literally went to jail for raping a prostitute previous to that. Like the fact that even after that he still had the gall to use that on the cops and even worse that it worked.

[@vulcanfeline]

like you can't rape a woman who's had sex before, or you can't rape your wife, or even someone you've taken out on a date... /grrrr

[@ardenalexa94]

When people act like somehow because of someone’s career or because of flirting or how someone dresses that they are asking for rape and so it’s not rape, it drives me insane.

[@josephmleczko3097]

​@@ardenalexa94I feel like you made a huge leap there. Flirting and dressing a certain way is in no way similar to selling your body on the street for drug money.

[@ardenalexa94]

@@josephmleczko3097 even if you do… it’s not an excuse to rape Someone. There is no excuse to rape someone. Rape no matter who does it or when it happens, is still rape. And no one has a right to do that to anyone. Regardless of social status, race, religion, career or gender. If you think there is an excuse to do that, you need to check yourself. Just because a drug addict or postitute is raped, doesn’t make it not rape. Rape is sexual intercourse without the victims consent. If you can’t understand that then you need to either educate yourself on what rape is, even though I just explained it to you. Or you need to see a counselor if you feel that someone being a drug addict or prostitute justifies someone raping them, Because that is worrying.

[@thenorthman1776]

Holy shit... My Grandma was in Anchorage at this Time and used to frequent that Bakery! She would tell me about the Owner being "such a sweet Man," but "seemed a little troubled," but made the best Pasteries in Town. She used to walk by it all the Time to go to Work at the Cannery. Makes me wonder how close she was to ever being one of the 20-some Victims. Holy crap, this Episode hit hard. Well done, Simon and Matt. That was good.

[@MGscribe]

Mother of god, that’s insane!

[@chelseahulmston9056]

Unless she was a sex worker then its unlikely that your gran would of been a potential victim of this killer. His MO is similar for each victim, sex workers or run aways are less likely to be noticed to be missing or even reported missing.

[@menamacd1447]

Yeah, my family lived in the neighborhood when he was active. My Mother remembers being warned that he was creepy and not to go to his bakery.

[@chrisdettone1648]

I seriously love how much you reference "Mindhunter" (I worked on season 1 as Jonathan's stand in, and played a Crime Scene reporter in several episodes.) David NEVER should have abandoned season 3 for other projects. We were all sad, believe me.

[@lynnkay417]

The idea of being chased down like that - literally hunted down in a cold forest, being occasionally wounded by the hunter for 'sport' too, before he finally just kills you - that is something straight out of a Horror movie. May those poor victims rest in Peace.

[@Nefville]

Tangent Chapters part deux: 0:26 - Matt is looking into cannibalism for Simon, Simon says "don't" but he really means "YES PLEASE" 1:21 - Alaska is strange and is full of criminals and Sarah Palin 6:20 - Stuffing wildlife is weird but better than stuffing human corpses, Simon gets hunting but finds antlers creepy 10:02 - Simon ponders if assumedly is a word 11:18 - There was a spy named Robert Hanson who leaked classified secrets to Russia, is at ADX Florence serving* 15 life sentences. Also spying is a different type of crime than rape and murder 12:52 - Simon made a video about Pocahontas and the Disney version was not as good as his 13:04 - Simon plugs Biographics, one of his 350 other channels ;D 13:45 - Simon is skeptical if being forced to use your non-dominant hand causes speech impediments 14:00 - Does the word sinister come from the Latin word for left-handed? Might be a Fact Boi rumor 14:40 - Simon thought he would always like to hunt because it is his belief that if you eat meat you should be ready and willing to hunt 15:00 - Simon wonders if hunting would negatively affect his moral compass then cuts himself off midsentence 15:12 - Simon backpedals and admits he does not believe hunting is morally right but he likes to eat their delicious flesh and then makes his mouth water talking about it (start having lunches Simon lol) 16:07 - Torturing animals is weird and Simon is not in to eating lobster 🤣🤣 18:11 - If you want payback and vengeance because the girls didn't like you you're an adult man man get over it 19:57 - After you've been to prison, they supervise you right? And there are lists. You are on lists. 21:13 - Hawaii is a tropical island and a better part of the US to go that is not in the continental US (than Alaska), Hawaii is nice, Alaska is cold and contains Sarah Palin 21:47 - There are only two reasons to move to Alaska, to run away from the feds and for oil mining 21:58 - Do you mine oil? Is that a thing? 22:02 - Simon is just kidding he loves the Alaskans (criminals and Sarah Palin) 23:06 - Simon loves the phrase: "Wherever you go, there you are" 23:36 - Kidnapping is way more than assault with a deadly weapon 24:41 - Bail is stupid 29:28 - Discussing the ethics of ancestry websites providing familial DNA to law enforcement (its NOT ethical IMO) 30:53 - If Simon made this story into a movie he would have the antagonist feeding the victims to the police in pastries I've never heard of 33:18 - Isn't there a horror movie where a serial killer literally hunts his victims? *Actually yes, The Most Dangerous Game 1932 34:19 - Simon starts to remember that a movie was indeed made where a serial killer literally hunts his victims 35:40 - Simon is Weird Al Yankovic 36:11 - Only provide the police fake alibis for your friends if you have spoken to your friend about the crime first, and Simon is a terrible friend 38:02 - Simon loves the Mindhunter TV series 49:04 - And this is the movie that Simon has seen 50:54 - Simon finds religion in order to punish the wicked ;D Well that was a ton of work and this joke will get old really fast so I bid you a fond farewell and its back to normal listenership.

[@EternalParadox93]

You're the unsung hero of this comment section 😂

[@Miadontforgetthisone]

This is glorious work. Please continue

[@emiliesophie2904]

I love your comments, please never stop 🥺

[@freshwaternymph]

11/10 would smash that like button again

[@inuchan74]

Omg I love this so much! Needed that laugh

[@kraigsmyth]

Some insights from an Alaskan: Most towns/villages here aren't connected by roads. There are a lot of planes and random airstrips (often just flattened fields). You can fly a plane at age 14, before you can drive a car. Mat-Su is 35 miles from Anchorage, but that's edge to edge. Mat su is 25,000 square miles. It varries from semi-urban to miles of wilderness. There is one main highway with towns strung along it. My family's farm out there (350 acres) is too far out to get electricity. We have a "road" only because my grandfather made one. It gets rural pretty fast. It's easy to dissappear in Alaska, purposefully or otherwise.

[@DerptyDerptyDUM]

Just wait til you hear the grim tale of THE CANDLESTICK MAKER. 😬

[@hanselmansell7555]

🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏

[@Dvergenlied]

I’m glad you went the same route on that I did.

[@jmanj3917]

HA!! That's funny AF. For real.

[@boondocksdragon8959]

Ba-dum-tssssss! 😁

[@benjie128]

Well done.

[@zarasbazaar]

One of my friends in Anchorage worked for a guy who used to go hunting with Hansen, until Hansen creeped him out so much that he refused to ever go hunting with him again. I never found out what it was Hansen said. What's really sad about Cindy's case is that the police didn't even bother to see if Hansen had a record. If they had, they would have found out that he was already a sexual predator and had been in prison.

[@tamlandipper29]

I could be wrong, but are previous convictions admissible in court? I ask because I see your logic, but it seems disjointed.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

​@@tamlandipper29 It's considered for sentencing, but I don't think it forms part of the trial. It doesn't matter though, it would've led the police to at least press charges.

[@Rhelanae]

I had a friend who unknowingly grew up in his house. Her parents had no idea whose house they bought when they moved to anchorage and her bedroom was his basement “trophy room” Another of my friends was out hunting with his dad along the Knik and they came across a suspicious oil drum and his dad made him go back to the plane while he called the police. My friend heavily suspects they found one of Hansons victims.

[@stratuvarious8547]

@@tamlandipper29 If it's determined to be part of a pattern, it can be used in the trial, but otherwise, it's just for sentencing. But with his history of sexual assault, it might have been deemed pertinent to the case.

[@Acr6gAttt-mq2hr]

When it comes to rape of women, cops don't even pretend to care. It's sick

[@PeachM0de]

Thank you Matt and Jen for making Simon look good. Your hard work is appreciated

[@Leatherargento]

His writers and editors are true professionals. Watching his shows feels like watching actual TV shows. Very polished and well-crafted.

[@paulhammer4941]

The reason he would’ve flown 35 miles is likely that it was the only way to reach his cabin. Alaskas roads are mostly relegated to highways and roads directly in and surrounding towns and cities. If you want to get to a place out of town that’s not directly adjacent to a highway you need to use a plane, a boat, an ATV, or get there by hiking. Very short flights are quite common in Alaska.

[@zarasbazaar]

I always tell people to look at a road map of Alaska to get an idea of how inaccessible most of the state is.

[@petebenes948]

As a non-Alaskan, I was reticent to mention this because I wasn’t entirely sure if this was accurate. But I most certainly am aware of the lack of roads there, and thought maybe Simon needed to hear this.

[@lucylillypad1512]

This poor girl was 17. She is legend for thinking clearly enough to escape...this horror.

[@ProbablyNotLegit]

Not to mention go through the ordeal of recounting it to the police in detail, plus remembering to mention the possibility of other victims

[@naheleshiriki5496]

Only for them to not even take her seriously.

[@SRTJamo]

@@naheleshiriki5496 good

[@199bobi]

You're absolutely right about sinister coming from the Latin word for left. The Latin word is sinistra, and it was generally associated with evil. As a side note, the Latin word for right is dextra, which is where we get the word dexterous.

[@KristenRowenPliske]

Those Latin words are still used in medical jargon, of course, especially in prescriptions & notes. OS = left eye, OD = right eye etc, etc. I think, in recent days, MDs have taken to just writing everything out in English to avoid confusion or mistaken dosage/med.

[@KristenRowenPliske]

@@vikingunicorn that happened to my uncle back in the 50s. He went to a Catholic school & the nuns literally beat it out of him. He & I are the only left-handed folks in our entire family & I’m mostly ambidextrous at this point.

[@Caelia7]

@@vikingunicorn in uk and grew up in the 80's. Left handers were automatically put in the special needs class. We weren't forced to write with our right hand but we were forced to participate in sports with our right.

[@chitlitlah]

The nominative forms are sinister and dexter.

[@199bobi]

@@chitlitlah yeah you're right. It's been a few years since I've studied Latin so im a bit rusty! The forms I gave are the feminine adjectives I think. No real reason for that - it's just the one I happened to remember.

[@lexzyland]

I get really excited when you cover Alaskans. This guy, yes, we know of him. Our criminals are really twisted; I think it is the lack of sunlight.... We go crazy. It is important to have healthy hobbies in the long winters.

[@tesshagensieker1700]

Thats why I head up to artic valley for some tubing, just so I don't go psycho lol!

[@grilledleeks6514]

He was crazy before he moved to Alaska... but sure.

[@tesshagensieker1700]

@@grilledleeks6514 alaska does not help. I'm pretty normal and sometimes I feel a murderous urge that reminds me to take some vitamin d haha

[@bookladydavina]

i think a great many of us have planned some sort of murder spree... (my husband use to work 6/2's on the slope.. would say that by then end of week 4, wanted everyone dead.. week 5, had it planned.. start of week 6.. end was in sight so they could all live after all... lol...) and a lot of us watch this sort of true crime things so we can get that dark side expunged without actually having to do any thing ourselves.. :)

[@eagenthorror]

@@bookladydavina I thought homicidal thoughts and planning mass shootings wasnt normal. It doesnt seem normal, nor am I convinced it is normal. Coming from someone whose felt homicidial.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Thank you, Matt, for including all the victims names. It's soul destgroying to hear.... but important to remember their names.

[@ook428]

Yes 💜 so fuckin sad hearing all their names and not even all he murdered. The loss. But important to remember them.

[@MGscribe]

Two in one week! Let’s go! Off to Alaska! Bundle up everyone! This is one of the ones I promised for a while so here you go! I hope everyone enjoys it! All comments and criticisms are welcomed!

[@Julia-uh4li]

Just starting to watch it now Matt. Glad to see you've written another one for us to consume. Just finished. Nothing enjoyable here but I'm glad I could hear the names of his victims. They deserve to be known. Your writing is so good, Matt. Hopefully we will hear more from you in the near future.

[@paulhammer4941]

On Simons implied topic of cannibalism I think Albert Fish would make for a very interesting episode. Apart from that this episode was amazingly written and I can’t wait to see more from you!

[@kristiskinner6485]

Why are you not writing a screenplays? Again great writing. Love your work.

[@ShearGenius88]

I just want to say I really appreciate the fact that you named all of the victims, and showed us who they were in a very respectful way. That’s the gripe I have with a lot of true crime things - they focus more on the brutality and the monster, then the people who were affected.

[@IudiciumInfernalum]

Nice job Matt. I hated the part where you memorialize the victims in a long list, and with hate it i mean i loved it but it just made me sad. Hearing all the names, the gravity of the crimes committed really hits you like a ton of bricks.

[@inept5002]

Yay! Another Alaska episode, I remember growing up and hearing about this guy in town. A co worker of mine was in a film they did about him.

[@TheFadingPaladin]

Oh damn

[@OgreKev]

A buddy of mine used to play in the trophy room when his mom was visiting the Hansens.

[@terribongers2465]

@@OgreKev 😮😢

[@noodlelynoodle.]

I went to Alaska last year alone to hike like 11 miles into the woods like 140 miles north of Fairbanks to some hot springs and like right before leaving all the true crime channels I watch started posting stuff about Alaska murders and disappearances and I was like ah shit am I gonna get disappeared???

[@terribongers2465]

@@noodlelynoodle. 🤣😂

[@SeijunAsai]

I love how you can see Simon's body shaking like he's bouncing his leg like crazy below the table! Thank you for your sacrifice in reading the worst humanity has to offer!

[@addysbeeandgarden320]

When my son was 4 he asked me if he had to go hunting with his dad. I said "no baby, not if you don't want to, why don't you want to go" he said "he won't let me have a gun so it's not really hunting for me, it's just waking up really early to be quiet and cold". To which I replied "fair enough son, would you rather stay at home and have pancakes and hot chocolate and watch cartoons?" Son: yes, that seems like more fun...

[@JimmyS.25]

I had to chuckle when his point of disagreement with hunting was him not getting a gun instead of not wanting to hurt animals 😆

[@odinfromcentr2]

​@@JimmyS.25I mean... he kinda has a point.

[@wrendavey]

Simon’s feelings about hunting are the same as mine. It’s why I’ve always liked learning about native tribes methods of hunting and using every piece so it isn’t ever wasteful.

[@theloverlyladylo9158]

My dad had a college roommate who believed firmly in “if you kill it, you eat it”. This resulted in them eating moose burgers (make sure to cut with ground beef, but it’s ok), beaver steaks (do not try to butcher them yourself, because if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’ll get the castoreum and ruin the meat) and squirrel chow mein (which was pretty good).

[@Seanii9323]

You should look into nose to tail eating. There's been movement to focus on ethical eating through minimising waste and to educate people on how to correctly use all parts of the animals that are consumed and more importantly how to make them tasty.

[@truecrimelover2022]

most people i know are like this well they don't make clothes or anything but every edible portion is eaten my family survived from hunger in childhood by my brothers and dad hunting and mom and sis and to a lesser extent me (i was very young) cooking it we ate mostly deer and my dad usually went in with others on raising hogs where i live (deep south in usa) it's very common it's not for sport as much as for food although many like my brothers like it for sport and food

[@susinator]

Growing up in rural Utah, I had a next door neighbor who was an avid hunter, and a massive conservationist. When he brought back a deer or elk, he used every part of it. He would make ground deer or ground elk, make them into jerky, and/or make steaks/Stew meat from them, and freely give them away to friends, family, and fellow church goers. It really helped us, because at that time, my family was going through a rough financial situation, and not having to shill out the top dollar for meat was incredible. Even 16 years later, I still crave home-made elk jerky.

[@badluck5647]

I hate hunting with people who will take a shot when they don't have the confidence to make a clean kill. The deer or hog shouldn't be running off to bleed out in pain.

[@YuriNikolajavič]

As an Alaskan, my grandpa told me that durring Hansen's case there have been debates about bringing back the death penalty in the case of Robert Hansen.

[@justalittleturtle5600]

You know, I’ve always wondered why someone hasn’t *set up a “Name the Missing” program,* where people who have family that are missing can upload their DNA. Meanwhile, the DNA (or characteristic is DNA isn’t available) from unidentified victims is also uploaded to the site, and it has a program (similar to the police one for fingerprints) that helps spot similarities in the DNA code.

[@ItsYaBoi418]

I agree. It would be entirely consensual, so the whole ethical dilemma goes away. It’s not an invasion of privacy if you have knowingly agreed to it.

[@Leatherargento]

This is a fcking excellent point.

[@victoriaeads6126]

Sounds like a need, you could be the person who initiates such a program to fill the need.....

[@scubasam4255]

i have wanted to get a dna test for a long time but it cost money and i suspect alot of poorer people are the ones who would need this

[@dapje2002]

That is an excellent idea! It seems so obvious yet nobody ever thought of it untill now? I hope this will come to fruition .

[@CartoonHero1986]

So regarding the hunting story and Simon's friend. This is why hunters are so keen on making sure people know how to shoot before they go hunting, ideally you want nothing more than to need a single shot to take the animal down clean and humane, this is also why after the friend didn't land a kill shot the hunting party became a tracking party. Ethical hunting requires you to track down and kill the animal you wounded to end its suffering. Some hunters (depending on the area and season) will not turn in until they find the wounded animal; my uncles for example when they where deer hunting one season spent something like 30 hours in the forest hunting because they wounded a Buck in the first few hours and spent the rest of the time tracking it until they either knew it wasn't seriously injured or suffering from their bad shot or they put it down and ended its suffering they caused it.

[@angryotter9129]

I was hiking in the woods with a hunter and we found a barbed crossbow bolt lodged in a tree. They were furious because hunting with those makes it difficult for the animal to get the arrowhead out on their own. It’s cruel. I have a lot of hunters in my family and they don’t allow unnecessary cruelty, even if they’re going to eat the animal. We’ve also spent a lot of time rescuing Canada geese from irresponsibly discarded fishing line, a most thankless task lol

[@JuMiKu]

Many hunters aren't like that sadly, but there's people, who only teach their dogs to track and learn how to shoot to clean up other people's messes and end needless suffering.

[@tonysolino3131]

The wonderful thing about this channel is they make it a point to remember the victims. Well done.

[@rjspires]

The Frozen Ground is a great film based on those murders and 100% recommended it.

[@whowouldwininafight3152]

Thank God someone else has seen this film as well. Great performance from Cusack.

[@seaturtlepoppy7679]

Yes!

[@jamesrhodes9915]

Great film

[@portia7207]

SIMON! I've watched your biographics channel for years but it's been so enjoyable finding this channel and seeing your personality and thought processes. You REALLY make me giggle! 😂 Thank you for some truly brilliant content.

[@Silkenray]

Two things I love about this channel - skipping over the really awful details, and making sure to remind us of the victims.

[@zubsies]

Agreed. It's a refreshing change to see the narrator (Simon) get so disgusted that he can't even say some of the details - Other channels they almsot get joy from it.

[@ATLmodK]

And of course, the tangents

[@Ellie-ko3pn]

I'd rather they included the awful details but I definitely appreciate the way he mentions the victims names

[@cecilbenderman6240]

not even going to lie, you reading out the names of the victims at the end did make me cry. that's one of the reasons i love this show over any other true crime podcast or show. your focus is on the crime itself and, more importantly, the victims. u guys make fun of the killers, mock them the way they deserve to be, and the victims are always treated with the utmost respect.

[@sgosstheboss]

Wow! Huge kudos to the writer of this script! This is hands down, the best story I've heard on this channel yet. Once the profiler was brought in on the case, I was on the edge of my seat! I have his book and have used it as part of my own research for a college essay about female serial killers. Riveting stuff! The way this script evolves, and how the focus is maintained on the victims- rather than the notoriety of the killer- so well done. If you haven't already, give this writer a bonus and a raise!

[@MGscribe]

Thank you so much!

[@bunnyskye7593]

I had just posted a comment about wanting to see Alaska criminals, since I live there. Thanks Simon and team! Edit: you mentioned "Why didn't he just drive to the cabin?" Much of Alaska isn't connected by road systems. There's many villages that require flying or boating to get to them. His cabin likely wasn't on the road system.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

12:15 - Chapter 1 - A stuttering start 17:30 - Chapter 2 - Down the dark & bumpy road 21:00 - Chapter 3 - The great white north 27:10 - Chapter 4 - Bones in the snow 34:50 - Chapter 5 - Closing in 46:50 - Wrap up

[@MGscribe]

Legend! And for those curious, there was another chapter that sadly got skipped over (probably not intentional). So @40:54 - “X Marks the Spot”

[@ScoopsHagendaaz]

"You're an adult man get over it." I was bullied in high school, and the girls made it very clear they wanted nothing to do with me. I am now an adult man in a good relationship, but to this day I can still remember the look of disgust my highschool crush had on her face when she discovered that I liked her. That shit cuts deep. I'm not in anyway saying that is an excuse for killing, but telling someone to "Get over it" is the exact dismissive mentality that causes men to bottle up their emotions, not talk about their problems and not seek help for those mental issues because men are told repeatedly that nobody gives a fuck about their problems. Thanks for the lack of empathy Simon.

[@GrievousReborn]

Yeah you're an adult man get over it is the kind of thing I would expect Andrew Tate and other red pill manosphere losers to say.

[@adrianek969]

Omg the switch! My southern Baptist grandmother forced the left hand to right switch. This has caused so much issues in my life! From speech, word finding, learning new skills and determining which hand, personality traits! Do not do this to your kids!

[@BJones-yw4dd]

Thank you for the respect shown to the victims and the disgust shown to the despicable perpetrator. I listen to your channel often, but this one stood out for those attributes. Much appreciated.

[@vrichies]

Poor poor Simon. So excited about the survivor, not thinking about the period when this happened and how her account would be quickly disregarded. Yes, that should have been the end of his exploits, it should have been.

[@audreymuzingo933]

Depending on the precinct, such an account could just as easily be disregarded now. There are plllllenty of cops who aren't eager to do their job. You have only to look at Uvalde Texas to know that, dozens of cops standing around outside, just listening to a monster killing children.

[@Arkantos117]

There's not a single country where you don't find lazy, corrupt, cowardly, traitorous or just plain immoral police. There were multiple cases of young victims of grooming gangs in the UK just being called prostitutes by the police and no action would be taken even when the victim was literally tortured and had their families threatened. There was at least one case where when a father tried to rescue his daughter and the police arrested him instead of the rapists.

[@Guitargoddess843]

You wanna know why, Simon? Alaska has a low cost of living and they used to basically pay people to move there. There's a ton of open land and small, tight-knit communities. In stark contrast, Hawaii is one of the most expensive states to live in. Almost everything has to be shipped in because colonizers DESTROYED their agriculture and forced them to be reliant on the main land for most items. There's a fuckload of traffic because of the ever-booming tourism, which forces workers to commute from cheaper areas to the tourist areas daily, and since they are small islands, things are a bit closer together, but drives up land prices and housing scarcity. This was even pretty much true back when this a-hole was young (though it has obviously only gotten worse). So, in short, that's why Alaska and DEFINITELY not Hawaii. If you want a pretty place within the contiguous states to lie low: choose Oregon or Minnesota or Wyoming, Nebraska, or a Dakota. You want miniscule cost of living and open carry? Texas is not very densely populated at all... But you know... In a way that is less of very than Quebec or Scotland, Texas always loves to threaten secession. You know that crisis they had in the cold winter a few years back? Yeah. That's because Texas is the only state that is ENTIRELY on its own power grid. It's dumb as hell, but it's cheap.

[@TheMoonRulesNo1]

Flying 35 miles to your cabin may sound crazy, but in Alaska, a lot of people have property that is inaccessible by car. I have a friend that's homesteading with his family in Alaska, and they have to take a float plane to a lake, and then ATV trails for an hour to get to their property. It's absolutely gorgeous, but an extreme pain in the ass to get there. They live a mostly sustainable lifestyle, albeit in seclusion.

[@Matthew-kg8nl]

I remember when one of out local Catholic bishops (an Auxiliary Bishop of Pittsburgh) was sent to the Diocese of Juneau to be their bishop. One of the news stories highlighted how all the priests of Juneau have a pilot’s license because some parishes are so remote (and the bishop may have gotten one eventually too).

[@c4r151]

If Simon feels he needs to do another heist video for his mental health; may I suggest doing a video on 'The Great Train Robbery' of 1963.

[@sophiev1900]

These stories are so difficult to hear but I must say, I truly appreciate the names of the victims being read/said. They are the ones we should be remembering. So, thank you (Writer & Simon) for saying them at the end. As cruel and harsh their deaths are, I hope they’re resting in peace.

[@samanthablount139]

I watched that movie with Nichols Cage staring , on frozen ground I think was the name. Those poor women. They were so very terrified and alone, completely bone chilling. My prayers and heart go out to them and there famlies

[@mystymtnhoppr84]

I've seen the movie too. It was scary and intense. I'm so glad they got the killer though.

[@tesshagensieker1700]

I remember when Nick Cage did a movie about the police that caught this guy, he actually filmed it here in Alaska and all of us were so excited to see our own state shown...until we realized it was being shown for our cold, hard, murders lol

[@sebern2]

"Frozen Ground"

[@MrRogers-hood]

It was an awesome movie

[@elizabethkarmellacomedian3872]

That movie was fantastic ❤

[@ShadowVamppyre]

Oh my gosh! I remember hearing about all the excitement when Nick Cage was there!

[@tesshagensieker1700]

@ShadowVamppyre Funny story, i was just talking to someone from anchorage police and met one of the officers who was on that case. The film crew actually did a dinner and met with some of the officers!!!

[@Lela-plants]

Wow! This. Simon. This was very well done. Amazing script, handled with great dignity and respect. I hate to say it is my favorite as that would imply it was a fun podcast, but it is done so well. If there were awards for this sort of thing, y’all deserve it. Thank you

[@mrscarter6279]

New episode of Casual Criminalists. Perfect way to end the work week. Let’s go!

[@MangaMaster13]

As a fellow Matt, I always think Simon is talking to me when Matt does the writing.

[@bobbiecapewell5333]

As a Bob, I can't say I feel the same delight on this one

[@EmilyJelassi]

Matt and Simon, thank you for remembering the victims’ names. Wait, this evil man was in the Army Reserves? How on earth did he pass the psychological evaluation?? Very well written. Great job Simon and team

[@mavrickgabriel5986]

Fun fact, i've been meaning to request this for ages since my aunt owned the bakery after he was convicted

[@carmenburton4918]

Omg... I hope she got it for a steel. Hopefully it sold cheap. I'd hate for the dude to get anything ever in life.

[@sonyonker]

I like that Matt offers such services such as ‘looking into some cannibal shit for you’ 👍🏼

[@ApocEllie]

I really liked listing the victims at the end! Really brings the focus back where it should be.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

I think the thing that gets me the most is that this man had a wife and kids who loved him, he had a perfectly good life. So for all of his dismissals and rejection in his younger years, he got what he wanted in the end, he was successful in marriage and family and career. And yet he still went and killed and tortured all these poor women. Like if he was some dejected lonely guy living on his own and furious at the world, I might have at least understood the reason for behaving like this. But this man had a happy married life, he had it all, and he threw it all away. I feel so bad for his victims, and I feel so bad for his wife and kids. He ruined all of their lives.

[@mesina84]

I got goosebumps/pimples when the victims names were read. Thank you Matt.

[@GrievousReborn]

The only person I've heard call Goosebumps goose pimples is Zach hadel

[@Bluesit32]

Why yes, Simon. In fact, there's a comic book character named "Sinestro". Red skin, pointy ears, super villain mustache (in other words, devilish features) and, of course, he was left handed. Nuns would force students to write with their right hand, bringing down a ruler on their left if they used it. Just beat the left handed-ness out of them. Which, I guess, makes Ned Flanders having a left hand store in "The Simpsons" even more humorous.

[@jenna2720]

As someone trained in psychology and counseling, a stutter isn’t caused by being being forced to write with one’s non dominant hand. Stutters could have an organic cause (such as disruptions in areas of the brain related to speech), can be entirely psychogenic(rarely) and can also be a normal part of speech acquisition. I think most of the theory and research suggests that there’s a strong neurological component where stuttering is a bit like a developmental disability like dyslexia.

[@GiraffeFlavored]

0:28 When Simon says "no cannibals" the captions heard that as "I like apples" XD

[@Mulambdaline1]

What happened to the girl who got away? I pray she is ok. I pray she turned her life around and is surrounded by people she loves!

[@MountainCry]

this is from a 2020 article. "On the night of Hansen’s conviction, Glenn and his wife, Cherry, took Cindy for dinner at the Corsair. The next day, she left Anchorage and got involved with prostitution again. The ending of the movie reveals that Cindy Paulson now lives in the lower 48 with her husband and three children. As revealed by Scott Walker in an interview, while he was researching all about the background of Hansen’s case, he met Glenn Flothe, who asked him to meet Cindy. Since Glenn hadn’t spoken to her for 25 years at that point, Scott tracked her down and interviewed her for several days. Cindy, who had a husband back then, told Scott, “Look, if any of this ends up in a film, he needs to know about it in advance. He’s never been one to press me about this whole story because he knows what it means to me.” The director respectfully followed everything she expected from him and even received a letter afterward in which Cindy confessed that “she felt like a weight had been lifted.” Although Cindy’s current whereabouts are unknown, we believe that she’s still settled in Alaska with her family."

[@BRocks4thwall]

I’m a homestead farmer and have been for 5 years. I’ve never hunted. I have goats for milk and chickens for eggs. I raised ducks, chickens, and turkeys for meat. After slaughtering (as humanely as possible) and processing more than 100 large birds I’m now a vegetarian. It’s absolutely brutal. No matter the method, there is no such thing as a painless humane death for animals raised for their meat.

[@Broody4Boglim]

The left hand thing.....just an FYI I am about a decade older than Simon and from Canada BUT I was verbally "harassed" and beaten on the knuckles whenever I was caught writing with my left and encouraged to use my right handed "like a good Christian boy"....so yes that happened

[@ajo7009]

The woman who survived is made out of steel. She’s the hero of the story.

[@SRTJamo]

Lmao. Wrong

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

Sometimes I think about how many murders could have been avoided in this country if a) sex work was legal and had federal protections in place like any other workplace, and b) mental health stigma wasn't so strong and prevented people from getting serious help at an early age, especially young men who are full of crazy hormones. Reflecting on this never fails to depress me

[@peekyboop]

simon's amazed and shocked gaping at this man getting off for atrocious crimes is also what i was feeling at that point. the justice system is...very, very broken here in the us. probably was worse back then

[@dawnt6791]

I totally agree. His expressions and reaction pretty much mirrored mine, every time I see a criminal scumbag get off far too easy for serious violent crimes. I don't care if they go easy on drug addicts, but rapists, kidnappers, predators of children, and murderers should be hit as hard as we can, not tapped on the knuckles with a few months or handful of years in jail.

[@pigcatapult]

Thank you so much for closing with the names of the victims and emphasizing what a pathetic loser this guy was. Serial killers deserve no respect

[@katherinecollins4685]

Well presented

[@loganharvey8086]

Something about this case always makes my skin crawl

[@theConquerersMama]

Same

[@queeng5925]

Simon n Matt make an awesome team.... glad i found this channel xxx

[@jordankisling3108]

I work at a prison and supervision after release only applies to certain charges or if you are considered a persistent offender. It can also depend on the judge, the states by law and even staffing levels of the office doing supervision. It's a pain

[@elizabethgrey9157]

It is my strong belief that rapists get light sentences because so many judges like the idea of rape themselves. I mean ... would a nice guy ( or even a woman), who has a daughter, or a sister or a wife really want to release a rapist to the general public? No. Unless they had themselves rapist tendencies.

[@aethergasm]

On the part where you read "trophy room" my mind went straight to Ed Gein and his nipple belt. I was so much more relieved when it was clarified as animals... His hunting people in line with The Dangerous Game reminds me of Predators the movie. Where everyone was dumped into that planet and hunted for sport. I'm sure there are other movies. So glad this guy is dead but sucks that excess victims could have been prevented with more diligent police work.

[@kevinerhardthansen9016]

Iowa Native and resident here. Born in Cedar Falls, Iowa. Glad you are doing a video about my great uncle, Robert! Thanks Simon!

[@beagleissleeping5359]

I had a left handed friend who said one teacher used to smack her with a ruler in an attempt to "fix" that she was not using her right hand. It didn't work. This happened in the 1960's.

[@u-neekusername4430]

My Uncle was forced to use his right hand (same time & in US) in the 1st grade, it worked & he definitely didn't stutter. Apparently it was common & standard practice.

[@midougch23]

Yes!! I've been waiting and asking for an episode on this guy.

[@MGscribe]

Hope you like it!

[@randaldavis8976]

I visited Alaska for 45 days. People asked me how I liked it. It is like the biggest small town ever. It will haunt your dreams for months. If I was 20 years younger I would be moving there. Simon, If you come to Iowa, we can take you hunting. Great deer, but it is hard to get a deer license if you are out of state. But rabbits, pheasant or mushrooms a good too.

[@TheGrinningViking]

How did Robert Hansen get away with all this? His family owned a business, he owned a plane and a second home, he had money - and either he or his family probably had political connections because of it. That's what money does in America.

[@mohammarfareeq1019]

Simon naively not knowing that Mindhunter was cancelled it both funny and depressing, preserve it... Don't ever let Simon find out the truth.

[@RomeoEchoDelta]

It's called denial. It's a hell of a lot more common than people would assume.

[@xealixcrowing7659]

Him getting away for so long with all these crimes was probably a product of the times. I don't think there was a criminal database yet, even by the late 70's. Criminal behavioral sciences were just getting started in the late 70's as well, so the fact that crimes escalate in severity wasn't really a thing, and weirdly kidnapping just didn't carry a big sentence back then, no idea why on that one.. this guy could have been stopped much faster today..

[@happyjackett9080]

Alaska loves you too - I’m from Anchorage. And this is my one of my favorite channels because of how detailed it is.

[@zeusathena26]

I was raised by my dad, a hunter. I often went with him. I don't understand when people are against it, but still eat meat from the store. I tell them I prefer my dinner got to hop, & run happily through the forest, before I blow it's head off. Instead of being in a cage all of its life. I don't mind if people don't want to hunt, but let others hunt. It's good for the environment, it controls animal populations, & the meat is healthier. Where I'm at in Missouri we have way to many deer. So it helps keep the population in check, & many hunters donate the meat to food banks. Which helps many people. We have so many deer, that they're hit by cars all the time, & they even have bow, & arrow hunting at the airport because of how often planes have hit deer on runways.

[@amemooress6291]

Mounting dead animals on your wall will always be creepy. Antlers not so much since those can be shed naturally.

[@beccaf262]

Had to laugh at the Ronald Dahl comment cause if you haven’t heard the “kills the husband with the frozen lamb leg and fed it to the police” short story you’d be like um wtf???

[@breahzelbubkunda]

My Mum was forced to write with her right hand which is absolutely ridiculous

[@ericbales82]

In the middle of watching one video when this drops exceptional timing and effortlessly easy decision

[@joeyr7294]

I was re watching Margareta Peter VS the devil episode to chuckle at Simon and this popped up, so same here lol 🍻

[@philipsmith813]

As the son of an American sex crimes detective I can assure you that there is strong president for not prosecuting the rape of sex workers and that this was the case well into the 90's. Prosecutors don't want to put in the effort if the defense can say "this is just a payment dispute." Historically speaking, "slut" is not just an insult, it's long been a socially and legally accepted defiance against allegations of sexual assault.

[@anthonyC214]

If your child is naturally left-handed, don’t try to force them into using their right hand. While we know very little about what influences hand preference, we do know that handedness reflects the wiring of the individual brain.

[@ksenss2513]

Whenever Simon mentions "The darkness" I hear Justin Hawkins singing in my mind...

[@Shantari]

I'm so sick of it being called "revenge" when someone's way of dealing with bullying is to bully (or several times worse) others, especially since they just go after the vulnerable. It's not revenge if the targets had nothing to do with the grievance. And if the "grievance" is "wahh, they wouldn't date me and said mean things", then fuck the right off! I was bullied for a long time in school, being the "weird girl" in class. I lost a group of friends over some teenage drama and spent a few years as a loner in school and heard all kinds of nasty insults aimed at me. You know what my dream revenge through out all of that was? Becoming successful and live a better life. Have I achieved that? Well, no, not yet, it's a work in process. But it's certainly a helluva lot healthier coping mechanism. Right now I can't even remember the names of some of my worst bullies. My point is that revenge doesn't apply in the slightest to this guy's story. The only fitting description is power fantasy.

[@davidlsmith3864]

"The Most Dangerous Game" (1932 film) with Fay Wray and Robert Armstrong, both pre-King Kong. Leslie Banks as Count Zaroff, thehunter.

[@arizonatsunami]

Yes I’ve been waiting for this one!!!!

[@CK-og4lc]

Love the show. A couple suggestions I'd like to see you do, Cary Stayner and Richard Speck.

[@primeval136]

I heard about this guy when I was younger and I always thought he was just an urban legend. Wow.

[@GothicPunkChicky]

"You can't rape a prostitute" And you can't steal from a merchant or what?

[@naheleshiriki5496]

Morgan St. Jean's song titled "not all men" perfectly captures the horrific truth that most women throughout the past and even today aren't believed when reporting to the police the monsters that walk among us. It's not all men, we all know that it's not all men, but it's some of them, so we hold our breath nonetheless.

[@Pfhoenixx]

To answer a question that seems to be consistently coming up... the US legal/criminal system has little care for women and children. As far as women go, the horrific things that happen to us frequently get chalked up to our own fault... we wore clothes that "asked for it" or other such victim blaming literal cop-outs.

[@rebecca7948]

Well done Matt, It was a very well written episode. I have heard of this killer before and recognised it on a episode of criminal minds (I'm not sure how proud I should be of pining the real life crimes to the episodes... but oh well). He really did have far too much luck on his side! I can't believe how bad the court system is! Did you say he technically got a longer sentence for stealing the chainsaw than the kidnappings too? so messed up. I still find it how messed up the crimes are over in Alaska and Canada... Obviously something in the snow!

[@audreymuzingo933]

I like Matt's scripts soooo much more than David's.

[@rebecca7948]

@@audreymuzingo933 I always enjoy the different styles between the different Writers. It always makes for interesting storytelling, but I also love the way that they obviously watch the episodes and kind of make sure there is more interaction with Simon, I mean this one just shows how well they gel together and I know that the others are also doing very similar things. I just really enjoy this style of crime show!

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@rebecca7948 I agree. I just have noticed patterns in David's portrayals of women in particular to be rather harsh. And he seems to enjoy describing gore and sadism a bit too much. Simon seems pretty sick of it too, and often skips over some of those parts of David's scripts. Like he says, he wants the show to be "more like CSI, not Saw" and I feel the same way. Matt does it well, portrays the investigative aspect with excellent detail and includes lots of empathy for the victims. I know there are a few other writers but they haven't been as frequent as these two. I wish we knew whatever happened to Callum. He was good, often very FUNNY, and he wrote a lot of the early episodes. But it's been several months if not a year or more since his last script.

[@Deathcoreqt]

Oh yeah my stomach turned when I saw his picture 😬😰 those soulless eyes 😵

[@TheMetalhead0283]

Hey I ran away to Alaska like 2 years ago but I’m not a criminal lol, the area I’m in the people are friendly but cautious, there’s a Facebook community page where people let each other know about criminals and suspicious vehicles, I like it here

[@kristenjackson713]

After listening to countless numbers of these, I think this is the first time I've heard the victims' names read in that way. Wow, it got me.

[@MaxwellTheOwl]

We had to read the Most Dangerous Game story in school and our substitute teacher cried while reading it. Also sounds like parts of the Dexter sequel series.

[@Garnetlioness]

without the killing killers bit

[@gregorycalhoun3788]

Your substitute most have been a sensitive person. I recall The Most Dangerous Game being in my 1st year HS English textbook which is where I read it for the 1st time. If I recall correct the Zodiac Killer was also a fan of the story.

[@MaxwellTheOwl]

@@gregorycalhoun3788 I think I was in 6th grade, and if I remember right the hunter guy had a couple dogs that helped him hunt the people. She cried when the guy getting hunted killed the dogs.

[@MaxwellTheOwl]

@@Garnetlioness I meant the sequel, Dexter New Blood when he moves to Alaska and is son is grown up. There is a killer there similar to this guy.

[@theConquerersMama]

@@MaxwellTheOwl that's the grade we read it as well. I was fascinated and horrified by it.

[@jacquelineritter3456]

I know why he didn't claim the first victim. Because she lost him so he felt outsmarted. He wouldn't admit to be outsmarted.

[@pigcatapult]

24:30 It's Anchorage. It's the Anchorage Police Department. Their stellar record also includes letting a different serial killer run loose because he was only murdering Native women and they didn't feel like investigating those homicides.

[@dylanjwicklund92]

His dad getting mad at him and possibly beating him every time he used his right hand is most likely what developed the stutter in the first place

[@scottgudal945]

My grandfather stuttered because of the same kind of treatment. I am left handed out of spite.