The Untold Story of The Hello Kitty Murder

[@TheCasualCriminalist]

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[@stephjovi]

I get those damn gift cards all the time. Can't find anyone who wants them. Glad that CC has a sponsor tough

[@chriskatz2355]

There was a old death penalty where the locked a prisoner in a brick wall alive. Tied up so they cannot move. These men...that sentence. Now.

[@stephjovi]

@@chriskatz2355 yep! Just good enough for them! Haven't watched the paar minutes yet. Gonna cleanse my brain with brain Blaze

[@chriskatz2355]

@@stephjovi im used to the morbid on my end its life...but they never deserved to live.

[@colinbaker7614]

I know Simon said he doesn’t want this channel to become ‘torture prn’ but if it is done with the right intentions we as human beings should not shy away from stories like these. This was done to an actual person by actual people…it’s so terrible that I think it’s hard to even acknowledge that fact. Obviously, I don’t want every episode to be this depressing, but I do think this is one of the channels that could do this type of content right and not for exploitation.

[@bluesghostieos8016]

As someone who was groomed at a young age. I truly appreciate Simon referring to the girl as a "victim" rather than a "girlfriend." Little things like that really help me come to terms with the guilt and self blame I still carry from that.

[@snufkinhollow318]

The same goes for me as well. Thank you to Simon for his respect and especially to you for saying what I felt but didn't initially have the courage to make a comment about.

[@Amlaeuxrai]

Don't blame yourself. While, on very, *very* rare occasions a relationship between an adult and a minor might work out well for all involved, to the extent that it even has some legal backing here in Germany (i.e. if you're over 14 of either gender your partner can be any age, *AS LONG AS THE OLDER PARTNER IS NOT ABUSING THE INEXPERIENCE/IMMATURITY OF THE YOUNGER AND MANIPULATING THEM* , key point, with the parents' opinion also having a lot of weight if anything ever went to court), if ever, ever ever the thought comes to your mind that you're not happy with what you're doing, that you're not okay with it, that you feel manipulated or exploited, it's not your fault and the right decision will always be to back out. If the older person tries to purposefully guilt-trip or railroad you into changing your mind, even more so. So, good on you for realizing you were unhappy and backing out (presumably), hope you're in a better place now and best of luck for your future :) May Cookie's (my cat, most precious boi) blessing guide your path.

[@aliejoe5622]

There's 2 facts. It's not your fault, and I'm glad your safe and working through it.

[@snufkinhollow318]

@@Amlaeuxrai Unfortunately, the person who groomed me at a young age got me to the point of believing that they were the one acting in my best interests and looking after me - provided, of course, that I was compliant with their wishes. And although I now understand that that is the 'nature of the beast' when it comes to grooming, the shame and self-doubt that Blue GhostieO talked about in their comment is still something that I live with every day despite having that understanding.

[@zipbangcrash]

@@snufkinhollow318 Yeah, knowing something intellectually does not always equate to changing the way you feel. You're right, and that's the nature of feelings, love. Feelings aren't famous for being rational... You're doing good! May your ongoing struggle to get your heart to match your head go well, and as quickly as humanly possible. You deserve peace, especially BECAUSE of what you went through, not despite it. Hugs from this internet stranger ♥️

[@bellystraw]

Yeah, you know this shit is next level evil when Simon says "enough". It's absolutely disgusting. It's the kind of thing where you desperately want a hero to jump in and save that poor lady but reality is often worse than fiction

[@victoriacyunczyk]

I'm not usually in favor of censoring true crime, as obviously the victim did not get that luxury, but in this case my opinion changes. I really feel for the police and everyone who had to deal with this horrific monster.

[@GhoulishTeatime]

Cause fiction is things people want, and reality isnt a thing people always want

[@Ckeegg]

I have never seen an episode that got to Simon before. I feel so sorry for him. Go home cuddle with your family and watch something happy.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

david first one got to him in the dismembered appidences. but yeah usually nothing really gets to him like that.

[@JeremyOuelletteNH]

An episode of Psych is great rehab for stuff like this. Even just the intro song brings me right back to happy town!

[@puckyta2]

Yeah even when he did the butcher lady one he didn't liked it very much but he didn't stop reading it, he was just disgusted about it

[@gothempress]

@@Kris-wo4pj Do you remember which one it was? I'd like to avoid it if possible.

[@naomiyurkov6648]

I’m hoping George isn’t too discouraged on how this went, this was a rough case to start out with. It’s not always easy to balance out being respectful, while also not shying away from the facts and being true to the suffering the victims went through. It was well-written and I hope to see more from him here in the future, although I really hope both George and Simon are taking care of their mental health after this one. Much love to the whole Cas’ Crim’ team!

[@lizc6393]

Yeah, he's new and had to write on arguably the worst case Simon has ever covered. The whole time I was feeling for George because some of Simon's commenters can be judgy, petulant and awful lol. George if you see this, take heart, learn from the experience and press on.

[@ogge9296]

@@lizc6393 indeed. I felt that Simon was a times rather rude towards George. Especially since it's his first time.

[@shutyourmouth70]

@@ogge9296 he's probably adjusting to the loss of the one he was used to working with & had a long term repertoire with. Give it time for them to find their footing with the new working relationship.

[@paraic9163]

@@lizc6393 I think George chose it.

[@droomzy]

@@shutyourmouth70 good news, Simon uploaded a case recently & mentioned that Calum couldn't do it all alone, so he _is_ still on the roster, I guess he's just been out of the rotation for a few weeks for some reason. probably bc Calum used to be the sole writer for this channel & it could've taken a toll on him to take a break

[@InquisMalleus]

Simon saying "enough, I'm not reading this horrible stuff anymore" was a great and classy move. I'm glad he decided to not go down that road and just be "murder porn" (as he says). Good move Simon!

[@MichaelMikeTheRussianBot]

Yes, I was glad he stopped. I was already halfway curling into a ball of cringe/nausea, & was about to turn it off. Still feeling a bit drained. :O

[@nojimmyprotested9371]

Yes 1000% agree i love george but he needs some work on finding the balance between giving people the facts and just laying out this poor womens suffering for everyone to gawk at.

[@ceedee876]

@@nojimmyprotested9371 we’re all here gawking at her suffering, doesn’t matter how respectfully it’s put across really

[@horselover40]

@@ceedee876I disagree. I think how we treat the story and its facts is incredibly important.

[@atepathebear619]

@@horselover40 I have to disagree, a spectacle is a spectacle no matter how you view it. We're all here for the murder and the (hopefully) trial and verdict. Simon just wants to be classier and I respect that.

[@mollybrown9857]

I really appreciate how Simon, his writers, and Jen treat this channel. The commentary helps with presenting the info so it isn't glorified. The lack of description of horrific scenes and focus on the victims is refreshing and kind.

[@apexvoice1952]

L, The victims are separated from the situation, if you cannot do so, then criminal analysis isn't for you. It's not murder porn- considering the fact that Simon will read anything- and it's merely the length of consecutive time that he has to read gore is what dictates when he stops - there is no rhyme or reason to it. There is no line in WHAT he will read But merely the length of the SAME sentence is what dictates his feelings here? Inconsistent and strange. 2nd time I've taken annoyance with his Inconsistent reading style . I believe George or whatever that sudonym is for, may have merely lacked a translation for the *girlfriend* scenario we had here . Considering how tight of a grip China is putting on Hong Kong, I'm not surprised these scripts have to borderline smuggled out.

[@MissedMischief]

I like that too, but idk if I like this new writer…

[@apexvoice1952]

@@MissedMischief there is definitely a translation being used at times , and I wouldn't take the whole Girlfriend fiasco as a bad omen. Yet. I give "George" one more. But I'm curious, what rubs you the wrong way- as I may have been side tracked being peeved at Simon for pulling the bitch card all of a sudden.

[@BCSoHappy]

@@apexvoice1952 itch card?

[@apexvoice1952]

@@BCSoHappy perhaps too harsh of a word, but an apt description for not committing.

[@nathalievanbellegem5313]

I put this on as white noise when doing homework and Simon saying “enough” was a horrible moment of shit this is about a human being getting tortured and murdered. and you’ve gotten so used to it that someone saying nope too much made you do a double take. You truly have my respect for covering this case so respectfully.

[@AdmiralWakbar]

I am in absolute agreement with this. I've had to nope out on this one, but Simon: you are awesome for how you handle things like this with absolute respect for the victims. Well done, mate.

[@Shaburke]

Wow, this was brutal, hearing Simon say "enough" made me stop me car to see him say it. He was disgusted and rightly so.

[@howhigh0521]

Haha when into the shadows gets too dark for Simon 😂

[@lunawolfking1340]

honestly that was the point i wanted to stop watching. but i just needed to hear there was some kind of justice for her. im so dissapointed

[@davidharshman7645]

I can't express how much I am glad that Simon has enough editorial discretion to be able to decide when enough is enough.

[@lilymarinovic1644]

@@davidharshman7645 Amen. I can handle plenty of darkness, I work every day with abuse victims but this was the first one that really made me question why I was even listening and decide to stop.

[@an_earth_angel]

Yeah, this is one of the worst true crime stories I’ve heard. When it was covered by another podcast I used to listen to, they were so…disrespectful that it made me disgusted to keep listening. Simon is so much more respectful, and I’m glad he was thoughtful about how he discussed this.

[@prettyandsick]

I will say, I never felt George's writing or description of Fan Man Yee's torture to be "murder porn" -like. It was respectful, and absolutely gut-wrenching, and I really feel for him and what he was exposed to researching this. I am glad Simon skipped the rest, and some might think it was too dark for this channel, but I think this was the best channel to have seen it on. Written and presented with respect, humanity and heartbreak. Her story should be heard and you told it well.

[@o_kneepixel]

She had to experience every second of it. I can at least listen to what she went through.

[@error404webpagenotfound]

​@@o_kneepixel the longest month of her life I'm sure. They deserved to have what they did to her done to them and more. Over a wallet that he got back. Just to feed her son. She was selfless and he was selfish.

[@Strider91]

​@@error404webpagenotfoundnot to victim blame. But it was probably more for the drugs than her son. Thats what addiction will do to you, as Simon explained

[@error404webpagenotfound]

@@Strider91 i know what addiction can do to you. I used to be an addict. Regardless whether it was for drugs or to feed her son, she didn't deserve it.

[@Breadfish290]

I’ve seen other videos cover this and this was by far the most respectful presentation I’ve ever seen, even before Simon chose to stop. I personally hate that I knew this as the Hello Kitty Murder and not for the absolute depravity, violence, horror, and at this point, I can’t even think of enough adjectives that can acutely convey what Fan Man-Yee went through. I think they did a really great job presenting this overall.

[@williamthompson4413]

That "enough" and how well you handled the girlfriend/victim distinction is what really stands out about your presentation. I appreciate hearing someone handle such a terrible case so respectfully.

[@muffinnani]

I'm genuinely grateful you stopped reading when you did. My stomach is still churning at the end of the video. I don't need to know every graphic detail all the cruel, grotesque torture that happened. I understand that this is true crime and these horrific acts are often part of that. Perhaps it would sit differently if this was a fictional story, but this is real life. Also, thank you for refusing to refer to the 13 year old as the girlfriend.

[@kvg4790]

Fun fact: there is a phrase equivalent to “tip of the tongue” in almost every language. Seems like it is almost universal for us humans to have recall issues for words and phrases.

[@whittar]

Yeah can confirm that it for sure has a variation in Polish.

[@dinsolasthemetalhead1923]

Think about how many different words everybody knows of course we're going to forget words every once in awhile in all honesty it's a little bit impressive how many words we know think about it if you knew as many people as words that you know think about how often you would forget people's names

[@whittar]

@@BladeDragoonZETA Idk what the fuck you're on about but you do you I guess.

[@forthexp8649]

Im ashamed to admit i cant remember the word for tongue, but its word for word the same in Spanish. "Punta de la lengua" (i looked it up lol)

[@forthexp8649]

However, i highly doubt there's a direct translation of "juxtaposition" in every, or any, language.

[@cmbhey8164]

My mind cannot comprehend how people capable of such horrific acts can receive less time than drug traffickers and bank robbers!

[@Cman04092]

Yeah, these guys should be thrown in a dark hole and left to starve to death as they beg for forgiveness that they most certainly don't deserve.

[@gonkdroid4prez539]

@@Cman04092 yep, the oubliettes for these ones

[@Warriorette12]

Because to governments, property is more valuable than people

[@FaylunaRaRa]

@@Warriorette12 To some people their property can definitely be worth more value than other people... Like one example I've heard from someone who I believe literally had this happen to them, if you have a musical instrument in your vehicle and you are so poor that this musical instrument is basically the only luxury you have in your life and it is irreplaceable to you from a financial perspective and someone takes that away from you... I don't really know that it'd be reasonable of me (especially not as a person from a more well-off background who would find this instrument to be replaceable and has many alternative luxuries to enjoy in life) to be telling you that you would not be justified in killing someone to protect this one thing you've been able to get for yourself... Similarly, if you're in desperate times like a remote island where food is scarce then I think you could absolutely be justified in protecting your food or instruments to acquire food such as your fishing rod over the life of some other human being who disregards your well-being by trying to take those things away from you... It is a lot easier to deny the poor the privilege of defending what little they have when you have so much more overall privileges than they do which allow you to have less concern about your property... That's why a lot of poorer people often tend to write their names on the objects they can't replace, like I collect a lot of books for my library and I often see among the used books (especially in older used books) that people have written their names on them with the reason primarily being so that it can be identified who the book belonged to should it get lost... If you have the money to readily replace the books though or backpacks (which I remember writing my initials on the tags when I was very young and my family was much poorer) or whatever other property it may be, there's not really so much reason to leave your name or initials on it and so many people growing up in wealthier families often are not so concerned about it... My German grandfather actually moved to Canada from the Ukraine (back when WW2 was kicking off) and basically the family's entire livelihood was based around the one cow that they had continuing to survive since for them that was basically their one luxury they were able to afford and similarly I'm quite sure that my grandfather would choose the life of that cow of theirs over the life of another person... Not because philosophically cow lives matter more than or even really as much as human lives to them, but because that cow was their property and a lot was invested into making sure that property was maintained under them such that they simply could not allow it to die or for a person to steal it... Even if it required the use of force... So when people try to take the moral high ground by stating "Oh, they care more about property than human lives" yeah, sometimes that property or that business can be more important to an individual than the life of someone actively infringing upon their rights to that property... We don't live in a perfect utopia and such a thing is probably fictional anyway since any time it is tried (usually by communists) it tends to go south pretty quickly since someone involved somewhere along the process decides to pursue their self-interests to the detriment of most people involved and this has happened over and over... I'm no conservative, but I've also not seen much of a practical way for Marx's theoretical perspective to be fully seen through so I'm more comfortable in the leftwing (albeit distinctly capitalist) socdem category if anyone cares to know where I'm coming from... Often when people talk about people being more valuable than property meanwhile, it's usually because they're just someone who went to university at no cost, never experienced actual poverty, and worse never even put much thought into what it is actually like to be in poverty such that they take all their property for granted, and they think Marx's views were pretty swell and are confused when actual working class people don't support them... Like, when I talk about property that is irreplaceable even, I'm not even talking about the property that will take you a few months to earn the money to replace, I mean the property that you are not even sure you will ever really get the money to replace at least without some big changes to your income or expenses happening... It requires a lot of consideration I think if you've never had the experience...

[@Warriorette12]

@@FaylunaRaRa …What? The comment was about the logic of the courts and I responded that the system/government seems to care more about property loss than people, if you follow the idea that the punishment is proportionate to the value of what was lost. How did you take that to argue the semantics of how “some people” value property? I mean, if you wanted to get all that off your chest that badly, there’s probably a place for it. But it wasn’t here.

[@belltowersubductions5104]

The usually silly and dorky Simon just saying "enough." And then being almost completely unable to go back to humour and light-heartedness really, really hit hard. I don't generally get that visceral reaction to the more nightmarish aspects of True Crime that most people do, maybe I'm desensitized to it, maybe my imposter syndrome Is right and I lack as much empathy as I'd like to think I do, I have no idea... but when this video reached that point, I just stood there alone, in the middle of my workplace where I was cleaning floors, and just stared at the wall. I don't have anything more to say. I never thought that I would ever genuinely, seriously become conflicted about my lifelong anti-death penalty philosophy, but listening to this just made me numb. Humanity is often worse to itself than it is to anything else.

[@MarcelaElviraTimis]

Life in solitary confinement might actually be worse than death

[@MsJazbren]

Agreed. There's a few cases that put me in this frame of mind. I have to remind myself that the justice system is far from perfect and innocent people still get convicted. But, like, throw away the key. "Sorry. You gave up your right to live among other humans. Ever again." True Crime is also one of my recurring hyperfixations. I have to take breaks, but I find some utility in learning about how bad humans can get, as well as how good they can be. There's a lot to learn from the events prior to a murder, warning signs you can identify. I'm not good at Acting Human, and so delving into these cases can help me identify the kinds of behaviour that precede violence. I can depersonalise that a lot, until cases like this. I'll often go looking for more info on the case, then time for a true crime break before I lose hope in humanity.

[@MsJazbren]

And for the record, an ability to depersonalise is not a negative trait, in my opinion. It is important to emphasise with victims and their families. And sometimes, you need to be able to put that part aside. It needs to wait because there's more important shit to do. I've been there. It means I can function under extreme pressure, and deal with the emotional fallout later. Post-adrenaline crash can suck though.

[@Aaaaaaaalonika]

I really agree. I rarely find cases that elicit such a visceral reaction from me but as Simon was reading what was done to her I actually started to feel sick. I didn’t even want to look at the screen when the hello kitty stuffed figure was shown. If I can’t take it, that’s how you know it’s rough…

[@bobbi-annshahin2329]

@@MarcelaElviraTimis yeah but the problem is they didn't get "life" They got 20 years. So now the 54-year-old is out of prison and able to get out and reunite with his 34-year-old girlfriend because the "girlfriend" is only 34 which is the same age he was when he went to prison. He can still have children. He's not even of retirement age yet. The other men are 41 and 47 respectively. They also can start families and continue their lives. Because they're members of the triad it's like nothing happened. They have job security. They murdered this woman in the most brutal way possible and they can now go find themselves another young victim so they can have another 13 14-year-old "girlfriend" because pedophiles don't change. Sometimes the death penalty is the only way to get justice for the victim.

[@kaykarahalis829]

Can’t imagine anyone seeing a 14 year old and a 34 year old and thinking “yeah, legit and balanced relationship!”

[@Immopimmo]

Only in medieval times or maybe a place like Afghanistan.

[@gracequach6769]

That's Asia for you. Coming from the daughter of someone who actually grew up in Asia

[@topogigio7031]

​​@@gracequach6769despite global image, the US has legalized these relationships as young as 12 (all in the South)

[@scruffy-thejanitor]

That's far too common across the world and in uber religious societies.

[@guyferrari8124]

Falsecow moment

[@Jirachimaru1]

Damn, George, what an introduction. If anything he certainly showcased his ability to research a case. Though the subject was horrifying, the writing was actually splendid.

[@OriLOK2]

Agreed! Looking forward to more of his content 😊

[@StefanMedici]

@@OriLOK2 not sure looking forward to is the right phrase. I needed a shower after this episode, normally that's reserved for Into The Shadows. But agree the writing and research were top notch.

[@paraic9163]

Yet he couldn't research for us where the criminals are now considering they were due for parole hearing in 2020? I thought that was a really poor omission..

[@StefanMedici]

@@paraic9163 I disagree. The less time spent talking about the perpetrators, what happened to "them" and where they are the better. They aren't worth the attention. I hope the child was able to get help and has forgiven herself and living her life as best she can though.

[@paraic9163]

@@StefanMedici what?? Even Simon said he wants the show to be about people getting their comeuppance. What's wrong with 2 more lines letting us know if they actually got released?? I'm sure many were curious about it. It's just incomplete without that. Any other crime podcast with that situation gives an update. "They remain in prison at the age of.." etc etc. How is them leaving that out some good clever thing? It's a blunder, not some purposeful moral thing..

[@Phillissy]

This case is similar to the case of Junko Furata. Except Junko was still a teenager when everything happened to her, and it was teens that did it. It's horrifying that anyone can do things like this, at any age. Please be careful if you decide to research that case at all, the details are just as horrible as this one.

[@seanboone2572]

I find Junko's to be much worse,if thats possible....

[@bayonetababe9697]

@@seanboone2572 I agree that it’s worse. I hope no one ever gives Simon a script about that one. I don’t think I can ever listen to that case again. I do wonder what he would think should have happened to the people who did it though. He was so adamant about young people not being as responsible as older people. It’s a fairly easy stance to take but when you hear about cases like this. I think there are exceptions and anyone who could do what they did never need to be released.

[@madalice5134]

I can never hear or read about Junko's case again. It's something I'll never get out of my head and I would hate for Simon to ever cover it. I truly hope that he never gets a script about that poor girl's horrifying torture and death.

[@ANAMARIA_BTC]

That case was just horrible.. 🥺

[@monckey44]

yeah I was thinking the same thing, and also really don’t want to revisit it. it took me a while to get over it and I feel like I’m going to deal with a similar thing again with this one.

[@magnusgreel275]

Hey Simon, I work in the field of criminal justice. I'm a bit concerned you and your writers are being exposed to this stuff without getting appropriate care and a chance to process. Even in reading about it there's a degree of trauma--I've read some terrible case material which had an impact on me. The thing is, unless you process it, this stuff sort of sits in your brain and has an impact. Hopefully you all do have the opportunity to talk to someone, but be careful, eh? At the end of the day it isn't your job to go down these pits of despair. Seriously consider your mental health first and foremost.

[@Fanney47]

I'm not in that field, but I agree.

[@Vee_of_the_Weald]

Very wise advice

[@Hill_Country_Violet]

Agreed. I made a reply to Simon in another comment that I'll past here. I work in the field of clinical mental health counseling. The material seems to really weighing on the Casual Criminalist team. I genuinely worry for Simon and all of their well being. "@The Casual Criminalist These episodes and channel seem really rough on you, Simon. Not my place, but it honestly has me worried for you at times. None of your subscribers would blame you for stepping back. This material is extremely rough, especially for someone with a young family. We appreciate the work your and your team do. Just... Hope y'all are taking care of yourselves too. "

[@TheCasualCriminalist]

Yeah, you're right. This was too much for me. Thank you for the advice.

[@nicka3697]

@@TheCasualCriminalist I've noticed a trend that these videos are becoming more graphic. It's not just that George is a new writer for you. The pressure on your writers must be immense the words are as enough I don't even want to imagine what the source material is like. Make sure you are paying for counselling services for the whole team, you have a duty of care and of course look after yourself.

[@susanpitre8648]

Thank you for sparing us from the "murder-porn" and also, thank you for recognizing the victims as human beings. This "cold read" reveals your keen sense of empathy and desire for justice.

[@vianjelos]

Yea I didnt want to hear anymore but unfortunatly I listen to these videos while working so I cant just stop and fast forward as my hands are occupied. Its horrible even hearing what happend honestly all for petty theft too..she needed help not tourture and death.

[@monroerobbins7551]

Agreed

[@codyj1162]

Hearing Simon say "enough" just increases the amount of respect I have for him. He handles these unbelievable stories so well. With respect and dignity every time.

[@fie8769]

34:00 I think it a very under appreciated aspect of this show. Many shows would continue to read the script, working under a sense of "professionalism", however I think Simon choosing to omit this section of the script makes clear the true humanity or lack there of of the situation. People these days become desensitized to this kind of brutality, especially when read through another person (I'm guilty of this too as a long time history student), and I think this decision was quite important in ways i find difficult to describe. It's things like this that make me keep coming back to the show, because while it is entertainment at the end of the day, the subject matter is treated with respect in ways most other shows don't.

[@Perzyn]

Simon: There's Callum, there's David, there's George... I need a bigger basement.

[@stephjovi]

Why do you think he bought a house 😇. He probably keeps them there now

[@sarahdecker2117]

I think he realized that he forgot to feed one of the writers in the basement

[@carin1000]

Conspiracy theory: they all only exist in Simon's head👀... I hope James McAvoy plays him on the movie

[@slcpunk2740]

You forgot about Danny and Sam! How dare you?!?

[@CalebMetlock]

This story breaks my heart. I can't imagine how someone could enjoy torturing someone like this. It just doesn't make sense to any normal person. Even seeing/hearing Simon say "enough" was powerful because he normally pushes through every script. Not to mention George's first script for the channel is one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever heard. Wow.

[@Jack-he8jv]

dehumanization, if you don't consider someone as a human, then you wont feel any guilt. its used extensively by countries when going to war, old example being" commies" used by nato. modern examples: iraqi invasion, libyan invasion, afghanistan invasion etc... the support for these wars are by a huge margin due to successful dehumanization of the people living there.

[@kevinforbesofficial]

I'll be honest, the wallet thing kind of sounds like a scam. "Oops I left my wallet. Sure looks like you took it from me, there was a bunch of money in there and it's gone now, hope you are prepared to earn it back."

[@Exsace]

"I just don't want to read this anymore" is probably one of the most heart wrenching things I have ever heard you say, Simon. I was right there with you.

[@GryphonBrokewing]

I hit the "like", not because of the subject, but for the quality of research & writing and for the humanity shown in the presentation. Also, "Taken", Simon. You want Neeson's Bryan Mills roaming the streets. Was "juxtaposition" they word you wanted for the incongruity of the doll in the location where it was found?

[@feraldelight]

This has been such a grim episode. George's writing was excellent and respectful. Simon's reading was perfect.

[@bethjordan8408]

That's the only reason I "liked" it.

[@blueashke]

Are you kidding me? George's writing wasn't respectful. He inserted an entirely fictional and unprovable scene about the theft of the wallet and the thoughts of the victim. He wrote in so much detail that SIMON HAD TO REFUSE TO READ IT ON CAMERA. In terms of writing skill, it was decent, but I am definitely not a fan.

[@linkesocke4533]

@@blueashke @blueashke If you look this story up on google all the articles/websites covering this wrote that the victim allegedly stole money from the triad guy as the inciting incident. And make speculations on her motives for doing that. Of course we can't know the true motive since the victim can't tell us and the killers could just lie about it.

[@linkesocke4533]

@@blueashke I do understand where you are coming from on the torture part. I had a similar feeling when I listened to a different case Simon covered some time ago.

[@nicolecurrie2896]

@@blueashke Agreed. I am horrified that they put that much graphic detail into the description of her torture. It feels really cheap and dehumanizing, not only because the description horrifies me, but because it was unnecessary- Simon’s ‘enough’ and summary got the point across. It felt like slimy torture porn from the 2000s. Then there was constantly referring to the 13 year old as a ‘girlfriend’, as if that wasn’t clearly an example of child abuse and victimization. Thank God Simon corrected it to victim every time, otherwise I might have thrown my phone across the room in disgust.

[@jennivamp5]

Damn George, I think you broke Simon. 😳 I've never seen him so affected by something he had to read before. Respect to you, Simon, for knowing when to stop and draw the line. And thank you for making the point that the 13 year old was a victim to, even though she was complicit in the murder, she was still a child who was being abused by a man.

[@zray240]

I paused the video just as Simon was saying enough. As someone who grew up unsupervised on the internet in the 00's, it takes a lot to bother me. This one...this one got me. George did a good job with the writing if this episode, and as a researcher/writer, it's important to get the facts, but I appreciate Simon knowing when it was enough.

[@Angel_1394]

The emotion in Simon voice and the music Jen put in is just perfect and heart breaking. This new writer did a really good job of putting this together. Simon always puts so much into it that you really understand how he feels and what he thinks. I've been watching this channel for awhile and this is one of the best.

[@terabiman]

Me queueing this up: hello kitty murder? Is that some sort of whimsical killer calling card? Me Halfway through: oh God no Me at 2AM, staring at the ceiling: I wonder if Simon was able to sleep after this one?

[@manaash4316]

Same. I was not expecting this level of oof. But oof was had. I think I need a hug and a hot cup of tea after this one where I can just stare off into the abyss for a few hours to recover.

[@kristinretallack8238]

I am watching this at 10am. Hopefully I have enough time to overlay these images with nicer ones before bedtime. Otherwise I'm going to be awake half the night.

[@StefanMedici]

10pm here and the wife's still at work. Not a fan of being in my own head at the best of times, but feeling the need to have another shower and scrub myself raw from the inside out.

[@TheCasualCriminalist]

It’s now been a while since I recorded this. I still think about it :(

[@ILoveBeingLoud]

@@TheCasualCriminalist I can only imagine, especially since you had to cold read it… 😔

[@ehizellbob]

I'm not often phased by the content in these at all but my god that was a dark one. Usually this channel has enough humour alongside the horror to balance it out but there was no room for that to happen here. What an awful situation, that poor woman.

[@mebreevee]

Truly.

[@NathanCassidy721]

Having heard the next one on Spotify, it’s been a particularly brutal week.

[@shellshell942]

I heard about this case a few months ago, it was brutal but what I remember most about poor Fan Man-Yee was the fact everyone in her life left her down at every stage. Her parents, the orphanage, friends, family and employer all abandoned her and sadly this case could be anyone. Such a sad ending to a sad life, bless her.

[@theparser]

Kudos to George for the writing. I hope he and Simon can work out some linguistic conventions for future pieces. Such crimes are more than a mere headline of "Gang members torture, rape, kill woman, sentenced to life in prison."

[@alexhndr]

Came back to this episode again this year, and i think its safe to say, this is the start of an era where Casual Criminalist went deep into the more brutal case, written by one of the most respectable writer of the entire group. This is also the first moment when Simon truly saw the absolute savagery a human can do, from the writing of an author. Ever since, and after the episode of Pedro Lopez, he isnt the same anymore. He slowly coming to terms.. that humans, sometimes can be.. a *monster*

[@Gigidivinecrime]

Simon’s face when he had to stop reading is me every time someone asks me who my “favorite serial killer” is, because I have a Masters in Criminal Justice.

[@RejectedInch]

i trust your answer to such question is " Here's the number of a phychiatrist".

[@Gigidivinecrime]

@@RejectedInch that’s the ONLY answer.

[@RejectedInch]

@@Gigidivinecrime No doubt.

[@Hollyberrystreats]

FAVORITE?!

[@Gigidivinecrime]

@@Hollyberrystreats favorite. It’s off putting lol and I’m not good with social situations anyway, so my reaction is fun...

[@Cman04092]

They better give the living victim a new identity if they ever release these scumbags, because you know these scumbags will come for her if they ever get out.

[@garretth8224]

They probably won't even though they can try for parole now. But the 3 men have been deemed remorseless by mental health professionals.

[@aina.iv6]

Well, they were/are part of a gang, so she's not safe either way.

[@amezification]

While I find the dark stories fascinating, I do hope Simon keeps throwing in some of the wacky crime stuff as well, if only to bolster his mental health so he can still keep doing the Casual Criminalist after these tougher episodes. If your writing team is ever at a loose end for 'fun' crimes you can always dip back into Florida man stories for a few shorter episodes

[@seshthecat]

Even though that young girl did absolutely disgusting things it took an amazing amount of strength and guts to go to the cops against some triads. If they ever get out her life is in danger if it hasn't already been taken.

[@jadeybaby007]

Poor Simon 😢 I’ve never seen him shut down like that… Even before saying “enough”. Someone commented a few weeks back about Simon being desensitised to these horrific crimes. I think you have to distance yourself to tell the story but we saw today that Simon isn’t desensitised and how drastically his demeanour changes when his guard is let down for even a moment. Simon, our friend, you are human ❤️

[@Leaflady12345]

Thank you for respecting Fan Man-Yee's tragic life than more than murder porn as you said. She had a tragic life & an horrific death. Glad she did get some justice, so many sex workers & murder victims aren't even identified let alone the perpetrator bought to justice.

[@OGDonald_Duck89]

Callum you are and will always be my favorite. At least Simon kidnapped more writers to keep in his basement with you so you no longer have to listen to Simon's mad man tirade rambles alone.

[@anamkarajoy]

(I miss Callum, too. The parenthesis mean only he can read it, right? lol)

[@stephjovi]

I miss Callum. His scripts are like movie scripts. But I do appreciate the idea that now we have a writer who lives in Japan, eh lived before his capture, and one in Hong Kong. That gives this channel more diverse topics and insights than all the completely American real crime podcasts. (OK that's a guess I just listen to SimonTube and other true crime only occasionally come up because of CC)

[@OGDonald_Duck89]

@@anamkarajoy Callum knows Simon so well he has the ability to send Simon on a complete 10 min tirade on something random multiple times in 1 script. He also throws in details that's Simon is like why? Why did I need to know that? You didn't need to know it Simon we just wanted to laugh at your struggle 🤣. Callum come back to us!!!

[@GcTheHardstyler]

The downside is, Callum now has to share his rations with George.

[@stephjovi]

@@GcTheHardstyler poor guy is already so malnourished he fantasies living in Japan 😭

[@fee4756]

Wow, Simon, think thats the most gutted youve ever looked & sounded after a read through. Even worse than the Mary Bell & The Greyhound bus eppisodes. Thankyou for covering this horrific crime.... we the viewers/listeners will never forget Fan Man-Yee. May she rest in peace.

[@ohthehorror31]

This was a hard one to watch. I could see how upset he was reading this and I hated it for him.

[@bradharrah3339]

Glad I listened and didn't watch.

[@maebeans]

justice isn't retribution, she deserves help, she deserves a home and people who love her, things so clearly lacking in this childs life up until this point

[@JoshSweetvale]

Eye for an eye gets the whole world blind.

[@LB_Amerijuanican]

That "Where is Liam Neeson when you needs him" in the tone of voice you had, quality man haha. Lightening the dark mood of a dark situation up with a calm joke like that is why I love watching your channels! keep it up factboy.

[@triciac.5078]

Thank you for acknowledging that the 14 year old girl was a victim, not a girlfriend.

[@ayameisastar]

I’m gonna say she was likely coerced into the torture as well. Mob mentality is tough to resist and certainly not something we can expect from a girl who is being abused by adults

[@triciac.5078]

@@ayameisastar agreed completely.

[@stillmagic714]

@@ayameisastar right, and honestly, how could she have done anything else? What would she think would happen to her if she didn't go along "enthusiastically." I shudder to think! She absolutely had no choice, they had just hunted down this other, older girl. The fact that she ever went to the police at all shows just how strong and brave a person she was, I honestly don't know if I would have that much courage.

[@dandylionsloth446]

+

[@madelyn3037]

She was his prey at one point for sure. But unless she says "I am being victimized/i am abused/this is not ok/please help me " it's really not in my (or yours or our) power at all to decide how things move forward....and that's the point. 🙃

[@novamoreno5221]

Never seen anyone try and read the extent of torture of this crime, and I can see Simon's soul leaving his body to be able to read it and still it's too much. This case has haunted me since I was an edgy 14 y/o that though I could stomach anything, truth is I think about it a lot since I read it for the first time and I just block out the worst... This one's truly heavy, didn't think I'd see you cover it.

[@anamkarajoy]

*Simon:* "What are we talking about? Why are we on a tangent?!" *Me:* (quiet af) “We? Wth did I do?"

[@anamkarajoy]

@@Stevie-J struggling, but you made me grin. 😁

[@WitchVine]

Thank you for calling the 13 yr old girl what she was and for cutting the torture description short. I've enjoyed many of your videos, but this gave me immense respect for you.

[@teacherteachingyou]

As much as I love this channel, I want to tell all creators involved (Simon, David, Callum, George, Jen) that if you find that reading these true stories so frequently is taking a toll on your mental health, please take a break. We will still be here, but the things youre having to research and read are disturbing and it would exhaust anyone. Take care of yourselves, y'all.

[@stonzy87]

Callum is the GOAT script writer, but the poor fella needs a break.

[@stephjovi]

Simon needs to feed the slaves more so they have the strength to write more 😎

[@IMajst3RI]

Callum and Danny from BB are absolute and certified legends! Also don't forget about Jenn and Sam

[@elphiegleason3899]

Let Callum out of the basement LOL 😂

[@Raventooth]

He probably died in Simon's basement malnourished

[@elphiegleason3899]

@@Raventooth lol

[@audreymuzingo933]

Here's my Hello Kitty crime story. Several years ago my car got stolen, then returned to me by the cops about a week later. The young couple who had stolen it were a total psychopath man and his girlfriend who looked enough like me to use my checks and cards all over town (oh, yes they stole my purse too). Anyway the North Little Rock Police did not even bother to look around inside the car before giving it back to me. In it was garbage bags full of shoplifted clothes and jewelry, a grocery bag full of people's cell phones and key sets, a tool kit that was obviously for picking locks, a drug kit (smoking and injecting), every imaginable thing you could steal from a hotel room including the bible and tv remote (but no tv), broken glass from some OTHER car all over the floorboards, hundreds of tiny nicks in the driver door's window tinting indicating the other car was shot and the glass exploded toward my car with the door open, a bunch of McDonald's trash including ketchup squirted all over the floor, a single-sale pickle with the juice leaked out of a tiny hole in the plastic package and soaked into the passenger seat, a McDonald's large drink container full of urine, and a gigantic revolver under the driver's seat. But at least all that stuff was consistent. What I will never understand is why they put Hello Kitty stickers all over the exterior of the car.

[@deannadutton4400]

My guess is the stickers were probably something else they stole and the crazy a** girlfriend decided it was a good idea to stick them all over the car. But that's just a guess lolz! So what did you do with all the "presents" the cops left in your car from the thieves?

[@glenns5627]

Lol - you forgot "allegedly". Future cops: "Where did you get this gun?" Future you: "You guys gave it to me."

[@deannadutton4400]

@@glenns5627 oops! 'My guess is the stickers were probably something else they "allededly" stole' ... so noted, thanks!

[@HallsteinI]

As someone who's worked around junkies, I may have the answer to this! They knew the car was stolen and that the cops would be looking for it. Solution? Plaster the car with stickers, only the owner of the car would do such a thing and, in junkie logic it also makes the car more difficult to recognize.

[@jhaustrick2535]

Thank you for calling the 13 year old a victim. Thank you for not going into such explicit detail and giving Fan some dignity that she didn't receive in life.

[@TaySwiss]

Bro, Simon's face. In my time I've seen some bad stuff from my work. But I forget how it tears people up who haven't been exposed to darkness like that. I wish I could give him a hug.

[@Mad_Oph]

I remember reading about this case, and man, it's right up there with the nightmarish cases of Sylvia Likens and Junko Furuta. Those three murders...well, I'd say they're an excellent basis of argument for the death penalty being an appropriate punishment for the crime. Great work as always, and looking forward to the next entry.

[@thecatbat]

Thank you for referring to the child as a victim and not "the girlfriend" as she was a victim and he was clearly her abuser. If we don't call it what it is, it removes the layers of awful that this was. Also yeah, enough. Thank you for stopping.

[@theConquerersMama]

Agreed. Also being exposed to and participating in any way was also torturing this girl. Grooming and training her. So sick.

[@MoYvStarkey]

I enjoy the mystery, and figuring out the criminal mind. I'm grieved about the exploration and torture of children. I'm grateful you paused from describing more of the horrendous and heinous fate of these two girls. If anything, it should make us aware there are children out their that need our help. I appreciate your restraint. Thank you.

[@maryschwab6674]

Simon, my favorite CC was the one were the young girl was kidnapped, but got away and helped hunt him down!! Way to go girl!! 👍👍

[@radjenovic6843]

First time I have listened to one of these and been genuinely emotional, usually Simon takes the sting out with delivery, but hearing him say enough was right. Love the content.

[@sabrinaschell4938]

Man, I've seen Simon read a lot of horrible stories, but I think this is the first time that he read something so bad that he had to pause to collect himself, and eventually stop reading altogether. That hit me right in the heart. I wonder if this was the first and last time George writes for Simon.

[@CoyoteWildFlower]

Just as I was ready to click off from it being too intense, he pulled the plug. Thank you Simon for refusing to dip too low into the dark. I doubt the 13 year old had much choice, she could already see what happens to unprotected girls and she did have enough conscious to feel guilty about her share in them. I hope someone cared enough to rescue her.

[@JellyLocke]

Had to stop at 36:56 just to thank you for your constant refusal to refer to the groomed girl as anything other than a victim. Really shows the integrity of your character. Thanks.

[@Opaleye96]

Mrs Whistler, please give this man a hug! Thank you Simon for presenting this case, I think you handled it extremely well and respectfully. Tomorrow is the weekend in real life, I hope you have a nice one!

[@findlayh]

This was the hardest casual crim episode I've ever watched. Also it's the one that has made me like Simon even more because he identified the 13 year old as a victim and stuck to it.

[@meganronald5929]

All the respect for calling it as "enough." I appreciate there is a limit you won't pass.

[@jimklein5491]

Callum, George, David and Simon. It's a 90s boy band in the making

[@hkchan1339]

Being from Hong Kong, yes this case shook the society when details are revealed. Glad we made it into Simon’s channel tho

[@BebeQueens1]

Having ADHD I actually really enjoy all the tangents in these videos. Feels like a more natural flow for my brain than structured videos hahaha

[@kaitlynnp582]

Same!

[@kyrawilliams7497]

Omg same!!

[@loganedgeman5905]

Same

[@orcus6893]

I just realized this now that you point it out

[@madalice5134]

Same here.

[@killianramsey4805]

I clicked on the video to learn something new. I stayed for the quality of writing, editing, and delivery. I liked and subscribed for the respect for the victims and for humanity.

[@anfhe]

I graduated before K-12 was a thing in my country, and I had to move to a different city and live on my own to attend college when I was 16, and even with an older cousin being sent to keep an eye on me during the first year, I still wasn't equipped to deal with that shit mentally. Anyone who ever says "yeah 16 is old enough to be kicked out and live on their own" is delusional, uncaring, or has never seen an actual 16 year old in their life. Also, this is one of those cases that really makes me lose all faith in humanity. Thank you for stopping when you did; I was taking a lot of breaks at the part with the torture and it was still difficult to go through.

[@dena81]

That 13 year old was completely a victim. And seeing as how he treated others, I'm sure he must've been cruel to her as well. I can only imagine how psychologically damaging this was to that girl to haunt her the way it did.

[@dogsoupblues]

I love this channel 😀 The format, the length, Simon's delivery especially, but also the uncommon topics! So many Casual Criminalist episodes are crimes I've never heard of. I only hope you don't get burned out from having more channels than I have hairs on my head 😂

[@bbycrts]

There's Keeps for that "hairs on my head" problem!

[@dogsoupblues]

@@bbycrts true that! 😂😂

[@jayathakur8643]

I was kind of surprised to find this case in your table actually, as I knew how horrible this case was being a true crime enthusiast myself. I was wondering what would be your well, expression. And I think we all saw it together.... what an actual human beings feel, because when I first read about this, I had to stop for two hours before going back...and I remember tears flowing down my cheeks. I started on the topic of human trafficking when I was preparing for my PhD proposals. I visited red light districts and went far deep into the rabbit hole. Then started having panic attacks and changed the topic for my PhD. I could have been killed for just unravelling what little tip of the ice berg I did. BTW, do you need a writer from India? Colonial cousin?

[@Vee_of_the_Weald]

Just imagine how hilariously wrong Colonial Cousin will potentially pronounce the Indian street names and surnames. 😂

[@Vee_of_the_Weald]

By the way, for my Masters in socio-anthropology I did a paper on colonialism, funnily enough and an other on the impact and consequences of hard core porn watching (as opposed to Erotica) among young teenagers… After a short while, I had to stop my research as the increasing degrees of violence and depravity described in the the films those boys were watching was just 🤯😓🤢😭… and as you can imagine, the boys who watched the more violent films were the one who wouldn’t take no for an answer, as they had been slowly but surely groomed by the porn industry into believing that women say no but mean yes and that “making love” involves brutality and the belittling of your partner. Truly disturbing.

[@jayathakur8643]

@@Vee_of_the_Weald ROFL

[@jayathakur8643]

@@Vee_of_the_Weald You ARE on point

[@kiral3859]

I was left wondering what happened to the 13 year old after the case was closed. Not in a legal sense, but her general circumstances. They certainly were not that great before the crime, and afterward the best she could probably hope for was going to the orphanage until she turned 16, only to be kicked out again. Her life could very much mirror that of the victim, with similar results.

[@prettyevil6662000]

I can't imagine she didn't make herself some Triad enemies by going to the police; she got three of their people put in jail, that's not something a gang will take lightly. And one of the 3 men was released on an appeal just 11 years later so if no one else got to her in that time, he probably went after her then. Her life, if she's still alive, must be absolutely miserable, always looking over her shoulder for the day someone ensures the snitch gets stitches. (Or worse.)

[@Kari.F.]

Thank you for jumping past some of the worst parts, Simon. It was already getting too heavy at that point, and you weren't the only one struggling with it. That poor, poor woman...

[@wafflelopagus]

I’ve seen many many cases and this one is very heavy. It can take you to a dark place very fast. Simon, If you need some time to recover we can wait here for you. I know it’s hard to take a break when you have a schedule tho. Hope you and your family have a cozy holiday season! George did an excellent job and you were an absolute legend for being able to gut through this one!

[@CantStayAway]

"Where's Liam Neeson when you need him?" That should be the tagline for all your murder videos.:P And the movie series you were thinking of was "Taken".

[@Thegrouchyone510]

When this show started, Simon, “I feel the death penalty is terrible and haven’t we evolved past this caveman mindset of eye for an eye!?!” A few months in, “They better torture that dude before they kill him!!! I want him awake when the neuter him!!!” Some people need to be put down. It be like that sometimes.

[@aredjayc2858]

Yeah, sometimes I feel like I oppose capital punishment because I think it's too kind for these sorts of monsters.

[@scubasam4255]

well it is china and they like to harvest organs. so while i think it is gross that the Chinese government does it against so many peoples will. i am totally okay with them forcibly taking them from these evil dudes

[@KingofAwesomness14]

Agreed, this is why I love the Malaysian justice system. Torturing shit holes like these is a great reprieve for us all.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Either: Tortured on Live TV (Best utility to everyone who isn't the criminal) Or: Pyschiatric care (Best utility to everyone _including_ the criminal) Fines and jail time are oligarchist barbarism.

[@scubasam4255]

@@JoshSweetvale pretty sure taking their organs is still better utility than pysch care for hard core gangsters with no qualms torturing women and f**king kids.

[@88happiness]

Ha ha! The smiling lady that comes up when Simon introduces Jen! 🤣🤣 Just perfect!!

[@movingforward3030]

The second Simon changed the wording from girlfriend to victim, he had my up vote. Thank you Simon.

[@evilchaosboy]

Simon, thanks for thinking of "We, your fellow casual criminalists". I, unfortunately, know at least some of the parts you graciously skipped and I concur with your decision. That was a rough one, but we ALL knew what we were getting into when we subscribed. Well done as always. \m/

[@EonArashi]

Me reading the title: the *W H A T* Me after the episode: this is easily the most fucked-up episode of true crime anything I’ve ever seen.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

I think what happened Sanford Clark is even more messed up. Which is actually a little weird because he survived, but holy crap. First time I had trouble even listening to a true crime thing.

[@misszombiequeen]

Junko Furuta

[@juliaelrod2154]

I worked in law enforcement. I can tell you this sort of thing is more common than one might think. (In the USA). If you see this sort of thing happening, please go to the police and get that person some help. You can always stay anonymous.

[@izrafs2762]

I think this episode was much more of a lesson on human brutality and cruelty rather than entertainment. As odd as it sounds I did appreciate the episode and am glad I learned about this case. I really loved what George did at the end, it was the perfect way to finish this case. Reflect on the implications of the case and how we can learn from them. As deprave as the episode was it was superb.

[@epkesel]

33:27 and 33:48 hit me so hard. When Simon-- who usually will say something hits hard, but doesn't get overly emotional (unless he's thinking about his kids)-- has to stop reading, and sounds legitimately sick from these descriptions- Ugh... it hurt. It gave me a moment to let a lot of that sink in. Your writers, Simon, are devilishly good at what they do- frankly too good. You and them deserve a hell of a lot of praise

[@ohrabbits]

There was a similar story in Japan, involving a schoolgirl and some schoolboys. The perpetrators are all out. Thirteen year old people know that rape, torture, and murder are wrong. Is there anyone in this audience who wouldn't have? That's why some underage criminals are charged as adults.

[@seanboone2572]

I was just going to comment about this. Her name was Junko Furuta. Her story almost makes this pale in comparison. All the pieces of filth have served their sentences and are out...

[@grimkitty3298]

I’m pretty sure some of them have started family’s too which is a horrific thought

[@bayonetababe9697]

@@seanboone2572 Yeah I just watched a video on her case. It was listed as the worst crime he had ever heard of and it definitely was the worst I’ve heard of. I still can’t get out of my head some of the stuff they did. It’s even worse because it was done by such young people. She just told the guy no when he asked her out. It makes you so angry that the parents knew what was going on and let it continue under their own roof. I don’t care how young they were they should have been put away for the rest of their lives for what they did.

[@seanboone2572]

@@bayonetababe9697 a very similar case happened outside Pittsburgh a few years back :(

[@jah5391]

I know this case and when I saw you were doing it I knew this would be a lot for a cold read. This is one of the most horrific, brutal crime cases I've ever heard and it's stuck with me for years. I'm not surprised that you skipped through the details of the abuse and torture; they're honestly sickening.

[@PixxieHaxx]

Junku Furuta case would be a good case to cover - it's horrific but is rarely covered, like criminally underreported especially since the monsters who murdered her are all currently free

[@bluesghostieos8016]

I think this one really got to Simon, so I think her case might be too horrific.

[@thayerwilliams905]

I started this video thinking this case was that case. Simon definitely needs a pallet cleanser before covering that one too.

[@jackoneill7610]

I don’t agree. I was physically shook for a very long time after reading about that case. I don’t think it’s the kind of thing Simon wants to cover. And the fact it lacks “ comeuppance”, as he puts it, makes me think he wouldn’t touch it.

[@tammyhill4190]

This was a very grim episode! And we’ve heard a lot of dark stuff from other Casual Criminalist episodes! BUT!!! Anytime Simon turned his face away and then later reading the atrocities committed says “Enough”… you know it was too much even for him! I literally had to pause the video to collect myself because this was brutal beyond belief. I hope this woman’s soul is at peace something she never received during her life.

[@JonathanLin1974]

I saw the documentary of this Hello Kitty Murder in "Crimes that shook Asia" but that was many years ago. Nice to see another viewpoint of this very cruel murder in Hong Kong

[@kendellstewart2090]

Thank you Simon for not reading further about the torture.

[@CissyBrazil]

@kendall Stuart…..I agree completely

[@nairilee]

I know this was hard on Simon, but I think her story was definitely worth telling. I don't interpret George going into detail as torture porn, but more so that we understand the gravity of the horror this poor woman endured. That being said, I wouldn't have been able to listen to everything she went through, so I am grateful that Simon stopped.

[@eadweard.]

Well yes. If it's not salacious, it not porn. It's just truth.

[@annasutton4029]

I had a little stack of comments building up in my mind throughout this video, but decided to scrap them to say: I have never seen Simon so bothered by a case, and probably don’t want to know what he declined to read out. That, and WHY THE SKULL IN THE PILLOW

[@Kerosene.Dreams]

Talking about food after the retching, delicious! Is the word ironic? I want to thank you for doing this one. I have read about it and heard it told many times. You by far, have added a true human touch to it when it has been easier for others to detach emotions and just read through it. This is why you are so beloved. This and for so many other reasons. Fatherhood has brought us so many pieces of you that lay hidden for so long, you are a beautiful human being that I have enjoyed watching the blossom of over the many years you have been on my screen.

[@sventer198]

Thanks for saying enough, Simon. That is what the like is for. We do not need the gore, she was a human being and the monsters who killed her deserved worse.

[@jamesnoland3445]

This is another episode that I am really happy that I automatically hit the like button when the video starts because there would be no fucking way I could do it at the end of it. Also, George, great job writing a script on a truly horrific crime that shocked even my morbidity calloused heart.

[@bunny_love21]

Simon, this is only one true crime channel of the dozens I watch/ listen to and I love your commentary and the journey you take your audience on with you. With that being said, I don't think I can finish this video. I have never heard anything so heinous happening even with serial killers

[@peekyboop]

this was beyond upsetting to sit and listen to and i can't imagine reading through and researching for this case. i heard of this in passing but never heard (or wanted to) the specifics of what occurred and now i have to live with the knowledge that these true monsters have a potential of being free(d). love that for me

[@mebreevee]

Making it about you in the end is a bit selfish. You chose to keep watching. Regardless if you knew about this happening or not, it never changed the fact that it happen.

[@peekyboop]

@@mebreevee simon himself goes on tangents that are literally about himself and his own opinions/experiences in videos about a people's horrible death. why is it a problem i do the same? is that not what a comment section is for? i'm confused on how you comprehend things too but you read what you want to read i guess?

[@milliondollarmistake]

@@peekyboop Well Simon talks about his past experiences or how he's scared of pissing off the wrong people. Saying "love that for me" sounds like you're asking for sympathy which is something Simon never has done.

[@peekyboop]

@@milliondollarmistake using "love that for me" is a piece of sarcasm that gets lost in translation and i can see why. it simply means that you have yet another, almost unreasonable thing to worry about in a life that's already scary enough. while it didn't occur near you or to someone you knew, knowing of it and the excruciating details can be hard to comprehend and to digest, so you "love"/actually hate the hole you willingly jumped into. the thought of receiving any sort of sympathy for a lame piece of sarcasm that more than one person didn't understand/find amusing is too funny and unfitting for a true crime video. feel for the victims and their families and simon and the writers/editors locked in the basement, not random youtuber commenter number whatever-whatever

[@patrickbarrett7536]

I'm always glad of Simons tangents, they add levity to stories like these that would otherwise be a really hard listen...