The Canon EOS R - Hits and Misses

The new Canon R camera was recently announced and many were expecting a real hit it out of the park camera. Well, for me it's not the hit I was hoping for. This video covers the Hits and MIsses of this new camera. I have an article on the Luminous-Landscape site that goes into more detail. Also, look for an extended Deep Dive video on the Canon R in the next few days.
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[@risbill1]

I'm very happy with this camera. None of your misses bother my work at all. Also I'm glad this camera doesn't have IBS since that is irritable bowel syndrome. Have been shooting for a long time and never needed IS, IBIS, dual cards, 4k, eye AF etc.

[@fabulous-sport-outdoors]

Hopefully they’ll add what’s missing in this camera onto a future one..perhaps a Mark II version ..better wait for that one then.. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@ghoshdebashisa]

The single card slot issue is blown out of proportion. Not everyone is a wedding or once in a lifetime photographer.

[@KMMEDIA1]

I think this is a fantastic camera. Everyone complains on the crop issue. Well on the other hand You have the best AF in the world, beautyful picture right out the box, flip of screen and 4.2.2. on recorder and codec which is OK and C-log. I do not care for the crop considering what this camera can do, only the DUAL PIXEL AF alone is more important than the crop. BTW You have also crop on canon c200.

[@djack41]

Wrong! It is not the same sensor as the 5D4.

[@PhilT993]

Well done review. Valid points, both positive and ones.

[@laurentl714]

Thank you sir, you nailed it! Every single point you made was so right! Informative and balanced overview.

[@christopherhowell3209]

Balanced!!!:LOL

[@cactustweeter2890]

I personally hope they have a firmware update that will allow the multifunction bar to be used to move the focus point around. Why not? This is even better than rubbing your your figure on the glass display.

[@gbye007]

What a thoroughly excellent review of the new EOS-R system. So much more nuanced and detailed than some of the other Hawaiian You-tubers. Please keep your You-tubeing going. I have no interest in buying the new Canon, but I hope it succeeds, and that the Nikon Z succeeds as well.

[@weixingyang898]

I prefer using the touch screen to move the focus point over the joystick... the joystick is a bit slow especially EOS R got so many focus position. I don't mind the single card slot, but I agree that if you are doing a paid photo shoot that cannot be redo, you should use a dual card slot and also a backup camera. I sometime shoot video of birds, so I welcome the crop 4K... in fact, I'm hoping Canon to include the crop video in their future APS-C sport/wildlife mirrorless camera. IMHO, there is no perfect camera and everyone have different requirement... your "miss" might be someone "hit", so do your own research and get the camera that meet most of your requirement.

[@bioliv1]

Thank you! I bought a7iii so that I can take my camera with me in the dark season, which is rather long in Norway. I see eos r is not a winter camera. Nobody else told me about how this camera is to use in winter. Now I know where to go to learn how good a camera is for my country!

[@luminouslandscape]

Øyvind Holmstad we love shooting in Norway. It is incredibly beautiful!

[@LordArioh]

EOS R is way more weather resistant than any Sony.

[@MrBorderman01]

I truly believe Canon did this on purpose since the are rumors for a PRO version. That is the version I think they may address the missing items discussed here. Very smart on their part. This camera was not meant to be a flagship rather a compliment to their 5D series camera. But if they do release a PRO version that will be their flagship at a much steeper cost though.

[@luminouslandscape]

Train & More Trains very true. There will clearly be a more robust system coming. The lenses and mount show that they are committed to mirrorless.

[@ironian24]

just to point out all cameras are pro cameras if your a pro dude, that bloody word pro camera drives me up the wall, what nob came up with that word, so what your saying is if its not a pro camera you cant be a pro right? my opinion is if you cant use any camera then maybe you should think twice on doing something else. all cameras to me are pro cameras end of. just thought i would clear that one up :)

[@MrBorderman01]

Ian Robinson at IR-Photo-Tours if u mean that a true professional can use any camera where since the art is based on skill, I agree. But all cameras are not made equal. Would u use this camera for a very highend wedding shoot? Prob not due to the 1 SD card. So skill is not a factor. IMHO this camera is not meant for that again more for the average user. Hence why they r coming out with a PRO version.

[@ironian24]

well I disagree sorry, especially if and when i do wedding photography you would have 2 cameras anyway which I do, so looking forward to using it in wedding photography along side my other camera. I find one slot not an issue

[@MrBorderman01]

Ian Robinson at IR-Photo-Tours just to be clear I am not questioning the quality of this camera in performing on a highend job rather more the purpose of use. And yes for highend jobs having two cameras is essential. But I can almost be certain the primary camera used will be a dual sd in case of card failure. Can this camera do the job of course, but if this is your primary camera and u have card failure even with a backup camera u r screwed to the extent that u wont get back those pics lost. I do know some photographers who take that risk. Im just not one of them. Btw i do plan on getting this camera. I think it would do great for timelapses on manual mode.

[@mavfan1]

Don't really care about the card slots or the ridiculous crop in 4k but I'm really surprised they didn't include IBIS.

[@ironian24]

they never did do IBIS get over it, this was designed to include all there wonderful Canon glass with IS so persanly i am glad they didnt

[@4rr44E]

You mentioned the issue with having to separate the screen to do high or low angle shots. Another issue with this is that you can no longer use an L bracket for landscape photography.

[@luminouslandscape]

Steve Muth a very good point.

[@DEVUNK88]

you got a lot of hits, but one BIG MISS... Ditch that neck strap! its 2018 for crying out loud! :D I havent used a neck strap for nearly a decade, I have a black rapids sling and am buying the Peak design belt holster that fits under my manfrotto RC323 plate, I go from tripod to holster in a snap and strap free, those damn things were always in the way and always getting snagged, I remove them immediately, but if you like them then use it I guess, but just seeing it on the camera in your video made me squirm the entire time

[@lifetimesofamultiplemediam1003]

The Canon EOS R, appears to have been produced to stop current Canon dslr users from switching to Sony. Those who have a ton of top L-glass, who would have to sell said glass, and lose a tidy bundle, in order to get the best out of an A7iii with native Sony lenses. Therefore, reviewing the EOS R, should be done (in my opinion) with this in mind. No wedding photographer, (or sports photographer) would be using the EOS R, as it has one card slot. Therefore high burst rate would not be that important to the users of this camera. Similarly with the gloves issue. The photographers who the EOS R is aimed at, will be expected to have a plethera of other Canon bodies, and will choose to use the right one, for the right job. The 4k vlogging-on-the-go thing is a strange complaint, as no FF mirrorless I can think of, can do what the EOS R can in this role. None has the fully articulating screen, and would be totally hit or miss from arms length anyway. What is the point of having a full sensor, if you cannot guarantee that your head and shoulders will be fully framed on it? I use a Canon M50, and it is perfect. You are absolutely right though, today we've come to rate cameras by the bar set by others. Unfortunately I think that this has led to a Spec-fest-centricness rather than what should be a Art-Of-Photography-centric fest, and camera users are becoming "spoiled" as you so rightly put it, by features. This is why camera reviews today should be taken with a pinch of salt, as most of the reviewers review the offerings completely out of context of why it was made in the first place, and many of the reviews are really just a: "Compared to Sony" camera comparison listing. I remember the debacle that was the Canon 6D2… One year on, some of those same "camera listings reviewers" who called it a laughable joke, are now referring to it as, the best ff vlogging camera.

[@besisikaphotography3061]

Very nice review; the least biased I have seen. Simply, you say what you think is positive and what you think is negative, regardless of what followers may think. But most of all, I think you address the misses clearly in terms that I hope Canon would understand.

[@MrHelivids]

.. "the misses ... that ... Canon would understand" I'm not sure for whom in the market the camera is actually for to evaluate the misses. It appears not to be the camera for sports and event photography, and it's not leading in resolution for landscapes compared to what is already offered by the competition. What market is then left by today's technology expectations? In what terms is it a justifiable upgrade, what is possible with this camera that would be new? The only aspect I like is the innovation with the adapters being OEM and functionality of slot in filters, functionality and reliability would beat a third party approach. Perhaps designing the new system with a set of lenses did blow out the time frame for the release, it feels the camera by feature set is a few years late.

[@juliussternfeld428]

Excellent and fast lenses for fullframe , mirrorless or not, are often big and heavy. Remember sigma art? I’m surprised, you criticize canon for making big L lenses. Do you think that’s fair?

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

I don't think it's a criticism, but a fair observation. A lot of people think "mirrorless" equals light; and for less than full-frame systems, that's true. But anyone looking for high quality super-fast lenses in any full-frame system should expect they will be huge AF.

[@luminouslandscape]

burak uestuen @Johnny4eyes is correct. Canon's lenses are excellent, but up until now mirrorless has been touted as being a light weight alternative to DSLR systems. Not saying this is a bad thing. Technology is a constant evolution and we are beginning to reach the end of the DSLR era.

[@cactustweeter2890]

The tilting screen can be leveraged by all kinds of content producers not just vloggers.

[@luminouslandscape]

Cactus Tweeter very true.

[@ironian24]

well said

[@DEVUNK88]

I can agree with just about every hit and miss, I am thinking canon may have included just enough features to be good, all the while knowing that reviews would come out and then they can add only the features everyone is asking for, most of the reviews have all asked for the same things, IBIS, uncropped 4k, dual card slots, a joystick, & higher frame rates in continuous AF and in video for slow motion. maybe they'll listen, doubtful but we can hope and all we can do is ask

[@larsl6508]

No matter what - the EOS R will be a bestseller! Just wait and see. :-)

[@Dngrov257]

Can’t you select AF points with the D-Pad, like the 6D? My thumb reaches it easily on the 6D.

[@ketsangtai]

Great overview but a few obvious mistake. First, the lenses are not S line lenses, they are R lenses. Secondly it is unfair to complain about the size of the lenses. The 24-105 is similar size to the Sony equivalent. The f1.2 is a f1.2! Can’t see how they can make it smaller without compromising on quality.

[@luminouslandscape]

You are correct. They are RF lenses. Totally agree about the quality. It has just been a big talking point for a long time that mirrorless means light weight and portable, but we are now starting to close the gap between DSLRs and mirrorless cameras.

[@ketsangtai]

When people talk about mirrorless being smaller and I think most people are referring to camera bodies. The size of the lenses really depends on the sensor size they need to cover, aperture and the quality. I think Sony has already demonstrated that with their big GM lenses. Having said that, wide angle lenses can be made smaller due to shorter flange distance.

[@sidvicious3129]

If you could combine what Nikon did with what Canon did, you have a mirrorless camera that's worthy of praise and a camera that you could truly say, "Mirrorless reinvented".

[@sportscarnut]

Also... mirrorless systems are only small/light with F4 lenses or slower. Didn't you know that? Look for Sony mirrorless to grow in size and weight to meet the new competition. :)

[@chuck90504]

sportscarnut Tamron 28-35, 21, 28, 35, 50, 85, all 2.8 or faster and small

[@godofhope]

Full frame f4 delivers plenty of bokeh. Are there any f2 Zoom lenses for Olympus?

[@DEVUNK88]

I still am not sold on any mirrorless, I guess I just dont need it, for instance I have a aperture stop bottom on my dslr that stops down the lens, although one mirrorless I am eyeballing is the panasonic G9, its got IBIS, 10-20 fps, great dials and controls, 180FPS in 1080, and 4K uncropped, and it takes the leica 100-400mm and makes itan effective 800mm without a teleconverter, and with out the weight and thousands of dollars that a canon 600-800mm lens would cost, I was shooting loons on a APS-c sensor with a 400mm lens that I rented and I wanted more reach, I might be ditching canon for panasonic, the canon full frame does not get me more telephoto reach, I dont get 180fps , or uncropped 4k, or IBIS, or dual card slots, so remind me why I should go canon FFM? I guess it all depends on what you need and what you want, no doubt the EOS R is a great camera, and the lenses and adapter really are incredible, but its not for me... yet....

[@dps6198]

You know. For all the good and bad that people say about every camera from every manufacturer the average guy who overspend on these things rarely get the full potential from it. Just like MS Word. Every one that has a computer has MS Office and barely gets it's full potential yet complains about one little thing here and there. I bought a gently used EOS 5D Mk II. I'm a weekend warrior. I shoot photos within 75 miles of my home. It's an old ams dated camera. It's way more camera than I need. I have an Nikon FM2n fully manual film camera and its more camera than I need. I'll bet one out of 1000 owners of any given mirrorless or old DSLR uses it for how it was really made.

[@arndtbc]

I'm a Nikon guy and I'm thrilled for the most part with the Z series even with the nuisance of the one card slot but for my work its not important. The one thing I don't get is why anyone wants these giant/expensive lenses that Canon has released with the R. Im glad Nikon made smaller lighter native lenses to release with the Z.

[@arndtbc]

For my needs I’m happy we Nikon users are getting smaller F1.8’s and zooms that are of good quality, possible very good in terms of image quality. I agree with you on the point of pride Noct, its a marking point, but that’s not a lens most will even entertain due to price. I personally own the 58 1.4G and love it for its size weight and character at 1.4. I’m sure Canon and Nikon Users are happy with the fact that they they will integrate a mirrorless system into their work flow without going to another system. I own the D850 with ten Nikon lines, for me the Z camera provides a nice option while I can transition slowly to mirrorless. Canon users probably feel the same. Its a good time to be a photographer.

[@craigleavitt9348]

I wish you would had said something about how Canon might be marketing the R series cameras in conjunction with their M series cameras. It seems like their M series cameras barely got off the ground, but hasn't gained any altitude.

[@dennissmeltzer4394]

Since your main criteria for evaluating a mirrorless camera is innovation instead of , of I don't know, how good a camera it is, I feel sad. Missed inovations: AF to F/11 (A really big deal) Full functionality of APS-C EF-S lenses !!!! Meaning an reasonable upgrade path to from APS-C to FF!!! Yeah that big road block for people wanting to move up is G O N E gone! And what is with the weight thing?!?!? Yeah a few people want a lighter camera. That is what 4/3 is for. Meanwhile other reviewers praise that fact that the R feels like a camera! Canon lenses are already well stabilized. So, yeah IBIS would be a nice bell or whistle (not both) but it is a minor consideration. Canon focused on the important features of a camera for their existing base. And they did a great job. On the whole the misses you focused on are all minor issues and some, like the touch screen issues, sounded just plain made up.

[@apassionfortangling3671]

Might as well say it doesn't fly, it's not as good as a Mavic?

[@htwarrior6801]

Fuji & Sony are (were) laptop manufacturers, they probably have processing performance down.

[@Hansibansi100]

Does your Smartphone works with glows? It does, the same thing as the touch display.

[@luminouslandscape]

Thorsten W. I hope that it does work well.

[@sportscarnut]

Oh.... 8 frames/sec. Boy is that slow! Not! I could not care less - I am not a sports photographer. Cartier Bresson's decisive moment was accomplished with a slow single shot shutter. Today's camera reviews, like this one, are all about silly gadgetry.

[@chuck90504]

sportscarnut your phone does 10 fps

[@faifrezeiss2400]

Its more like 3 or 5

[@chuck90504]

Bresson also shot film, so go ahead and pay $2K for a film camera, digital is such silly gadgetry

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Sports and nature shooters value high burst rate. The faster the better. I shoot birds with a 7DM2 that shoots 10 FPS RAW in Continuous Focus. The R can't. To me, that's important, not silly.

[@luminouslandscape]

sportscarnut there aren't going to be bad cameras that come out these days. Every potential buyer needs to look very closely at what it is they want in a camera. Some of these minor differences could be the difference for someone on the fence.

[@Manginii]

hey, where is the video with brandon chen? As a buyer, I'm pretty sure it would be interesting.

[@KevinRaber]

Finalizing the edit it will be ready early next week. There are at least two videos for that interview.

[@luminouslandscape]

It will be up on Luminous-Landscape.com in the coming days.

[@Manginii]

Luminous Landscape thanks for the answer!

[@wylie9999]

Yeah, yeah whine, complain about the flippy out screen. This has been going on for years; have really heard about the screen breaking off. Next .... No IBIS? Do you use the IS lenses? Cropped 4K? - OK may be you have a point but it's probably better than Sony's uncropped 4K or anyone else for that matter because if it higher bit rate (480Mbs). On/Off switch complaint- are you serious?

[@simongentry]

i'd hoped for their first high end mirrorless - they'd have gone with a body similar to the 1dx - with the large battery chamber - even the grip looks too small. however i haven't had the opportunity to hold or shoot with one yet. the body looks too small for their new lenses. single card slot!? are they crazy? i and other pro's will wait for a pro version.

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Guess what? The silent shutter also only works in one-shot. Canon really crippled Continuous Focus in every way. Supposedly those issues will all be fixed in the firmware update. But why release the R if it wasn't ready?

[@luminouslandscape]

Johnny4eyes true. Hoping for big firmware upgrades.

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

@@luminouslandscape I'm hoping for a higher-grade new release next year. This is a pretty good camera but I see no reason to move on from either my 7D Mark II or 5D Mark IV.

[@linjasonlin]

thanks. this was one of the most practical, level headed and common sense reviews I've seen as I'm researching what to do with my number of Canon EF lenses.

[@Davitor1]

What’s with the glove thing? Both Sony and Fuji are smaller cameras with very little space between buttons which makes them inoperable with gloves either.

[@derekderekderek2]

This camera relies a lot on touchscreen and touchbar, which may not be usable in winter. Of course, dials and buttons that are small also aren't great...

[@Rdmsguy]

It's not about feeling the buttons, its about reliance on using the touch screen and touch bar. Most modern capacitive touch screens don't function through gloves, etc.

[@Davitor1]

Scott Giebel yes I know. Most phones also. Hence touchscreen sensitive gloves. Even gloves that have the index finger tip removed.

[@Davitor1]

Derek Wydra and so does every cellphone, has that stop people from buying cellphones?

[@luminouslandscape]

We are just stating it would be nice to have the option for a dedicated joystick. Especially because there is a perfect location for one. It just felt like something was missing. This is certainly not a deal breaker for most users.

[@TitaniumSurf]

Um..... you could have tried putting on a pair of gloves and seeing if the touch screen / bar works OK. Then you would have known. So... not a hit :) Thanks for the video.

[@david21d42]

Why would you presume that the EOS R has the same sensor as the 5d4. Same size does not mean it is the same sensor. The EOS R has 5k focus points, 5d4 does not.

[@gerardferry3958]

its OK but will not sell as people wait on the next one, they should have kept it quiet or released them at the sane time, ibis does not bother me but single card is a no no, 4k is ok as you can use efs lenses, it looks fine but why not wait

[@frank-sy8xu]

well said

[@djack41]

Must be a weight lifter to blog? Why not mention the ability to use any EF lens such as the tiny 40mm pancake lens?

[@luminouslandscape]

djack41 valid point. However, these newly developed lenses have incredible quality and they are heafty. Not saying this is a terrible thing, but mirrorless up to this point has always been touted as being a lighter weight system as opposed to the current DSLR equivalents.

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Can all of the reviewer please properly differentiate between single AF and continuous AF and single shot and continuous shooting mode. My understanding is the Eye-AF works fine in continuous AF (based on the videos where it tracks the eye) but not in continuous shooting mode. Can you please be more carefull with the language and do not use continuous AF and continuous shooting interchangeably.

[@manilamartin1001]

You are right. I only use canon every once in a while and I was confused by many youtubers not being precise by the distinctions.

[@gilbertlawrence7161]

Dual Cards is actually demon for me. I found myself recording to the wrong SD card with dual cards setup.

[@balag4823]

Yes somtime buddy format wrong card in fast moving way.its disadvantages too.

[@msamiullah001]

this is a stop gap camera for sure

[@apassionfortangling3671]

If you was a wedding photographer you would be using a 1DXii FFS

[@rainlesure4690]

Yes sir I think that Innovation is a good thing especially with like the agent camera Market the same features in the same ways of shooting have been happening for decades now but I really don't need or want a camera that is built solely on innovation I want a mirrorless camera that's trying not to be on your list camera I want all the dependability all the ruggedness all of the everything that I can think of on my DSLR on a mirrorless camera in fact I don't even want to know that it's a mirrorless camera I want it to be almost indistinguishable from using a DSLR but I want all the benefit of having a mirrorless camera such as smart Focus modes if tracking multi-point AF with phase and contrast detect and I want to be able to adapt Cinema third-party glass so I want the entire DSLR amerilist body

[@katumus]

I talked right away about gloves problem, it's obvious. Why Olympus still has best design with dual dials. And when E-M1 was released 2013, I gave Olympus few times feedback after releasing Pro lenses to add feature when using AF to translate focus ring to bindable Fn ring. When going manual focus, you lose that feature but still... And please, we don't live 2001 when memory cards failed now and then, we live 2010+ and cards don't fail that you can't recover them. You might lose the shot that was being written at that second failure happened, but no other problems... Dual slot ain't important, it ain't critical. It is just one failure itself more... Just get cards, so then swap them and backup then on site getting them away from you. You more likely break camera than get unrecoverable card. RAID is not a backup, dual card slot is RAID! Does the shutter clear itself like Olympus SWF? No? Bad design... Nothing innovative there. Terrible actually because you will damage shutter that Canon can't shoot without well... That is their answer to lack of working sensor cleaning in industry a la Olympus. The screen hinge is terrible... How long it takes people get that Fuji got it perfect in X-T2 and X-T3? All required angles, fast, easy and functional.... And selfies are always done without seeing screen, you look a lens and not screen. That is the point.... And if you do vlogging, get the tripod, at camera 3-5m from you and now you have best perspective but you can't see screen... A miss in screen design. Now you pull smartphone out of pocket and connect to camera and you have remote screen and control at you palm with you at meters away from camera (Olympus allows 50-70m based line of sight). Vloggers, learn to use gear right, don't demands stupid side turning screens that are slow, fragile, block connections, can't see or touch from distance etc.... License the Fuji X-T2 design... It is best. Then tilting and then all other...

[@martinbreslow1401]

So, if you have two card slots should you be sending raw to one and Jpeg to the other or raw to both or something else?

[@paullanoue5228]

The new Zeiss camera has no card slots.

[@malikknows3510]

Complaining about the weight is unfair. Sony's latest full frame offerings weigh the same. They're a bit smaller, but weigh the same.

[@luminouslandscape]

Malik Knows didn't mean for it to sound like a complaint. It was more of an observation. We are beginning to see lenses from all manufacturing companies develop amazing glass for the mirrorless systems and with quality comes weight.

[@malikknows3510]

No worries. Thanks for the reply!

[@gerybubus]

Great video, really like it! Obviously Canon missed a few things with its first mirrorless camera. But in this video, he forgot to compare the price with other competitors. Sony A9 £3,699, Nikon Z7 £3,399 vs Canon EOS R £2,349‎. It's a huge difference, don't expect the same features for this price like other competitors (like IBIS, better face tracking AF, better frame / sec etc). It's the around the same price like 5D Mark 4 (£2,449.99) maybe because of it's "old" sensor. So personally if I had Nikon gear with let's say D850, I wouldn't buy Nikon Z7 for £3,399. But if I would like to upgrade my Canon body, or buy a second body EOS R is a good option instead of 5D Mark 4... I think for this price range, it will be a reasonable option to get into the FF mirrorless world.

[@faifrezeiss2400]

You are joking comparing it to the A9. Its a direct competitot to the A7III

[@ices2318]

gerybubus - LOL! Your comparison doesn't make sense. You have no idea how fast the Sony A9 is, do you? Sony A9 is 20 fps whilst EOS R is only 3 fps. You should compare the EOS R to Sony's A7III. It's only £1,999 yet packed featurewise. Actually, Canon EOS R is not even really competing with the A7III, despite being £300 more.

[@SneakyMiki]

Nice camera, but the 4K crop is just horrible. 85mm equivalent with a 50mm lens? One slot? Come on!

[@tarjei99]

Why is it surprising that a F/2 lens is larger than a F/4 lens?

[@luminouslandscape]

tarjei99 we didn't mean to come out that way.

[@tarjeijensen9369]

But EVERYTHING came out that way. You know as well as I do that Canon consults with their customers to find out what is important to them. And that they are completely anal about what they consider their quality. Which is why the 5D3 outsold the D800 despite being more expensive. Being more usable have a value. You didn't say anything about the ergonomics, probably because that would be the main selling point for the professionals. This is a camera that can be comfortably used all day, all week. You are oblivious to the fact that there might be a heat budget as well as a parts budget. And you didn't say anything about other cameras becoming more or less uncomfortably hot when doing 4K video. ALL features in a camera have heat consequences. You complain about the cropped 4K, I don't think you mentioned that 4K works well with EF-S lenses (I've seen this demonstrated). And you didn't mention the 4K codec and data rates. Because of the high data rates the files might be more suitable for post processing than their competitors files. And if my memory serves me right, the 4K stream is a stream of images. So 4K can be used as a 30 fps camera. Admittedly with a rolling shutter. The missing slot is simply that time as passed and I suspect that most photographers are shooting tethered. Which is why the camera connects with both WI-FI and USB to a computer. It is time to think about changing your workflow. And to me this comes over like a camera for protected environments despite having weather sealing. The video came out as if it was made by someone who consider being able to charge their iPhone as having technical insight. The camera was probably released a bit early because of the Nikons. It is a message to the Canon customers and I suspect that the customers like what they see.

[@michaels8597]

Really?There was a lot of thought to make a camera that costs that much in 2018 with ONE card slot?Really?That's something a 10 year old could figure out.In fact,My $700 Sony from 2013-14 had two slots.That's total crap,because it's not as if this was something they had to actually develop from scratch,and yes,they should have a joystick,even thought that stupid cheap strap should be tossed in a trashcan.When we pay that much for a camera,we can at least give it nice accessories.I would get the EOS R if it costs $800 or so,not more.

[@christopherhowell3209]

People like you will never be satisfied whatever Canon decides to bring out!

[@michaels8597]

listen genius... MR>HOWELL....>>>>>>Talk ONLY what you know,and you and keep your inaccurate OPINIONS,based on NOTHING to yourself.I spoke on OBVIOUS things which should not be missing,because they have been around for YEARS,so it's not about what i am 'satisfied' with.Next,when i spend MY money,i want the BEST i can get for it,and at least features that are STANDARD for 2017 and 2018. Next,You have no clue what you are talking about,because I DO own and shoot with a Canon camera..duh?Last year,before I got my current DSLR,i borrowed and shot with a CANON DSLR.People like me?What a cliche..What about me do YOU personally know anyway?????????????Please feel free to tell me exactly who and what I am.I'll wait....

[@christopherhowell3209]

LOL! Thank you Mr no one...At least I put my name to any statements I make,and do not hide behind the curtains!

[@michaels8597]

Whatever stupid..You're exposed,and you have nothing intelligent to say on the SUBJECT,so you're a weak beta male trying to get attention from another man,which is suspect within itself.I never hide,so if you're so wide open,inbox me,and then we can talk,instead of wasting time when there's an actual subject.Next,how am I hiding when my name is right there to read,like yours?Hiding from what,you,some stupid fool who wants to start some personal debate about nothing,with someone he doesnt know?Do you think before you respond or are you just that dumb?

[@michaels8597]

oh and you missed the questions i guess...duhhhhhhhh..i will wait for the answers about what you KNOW..>>>What about me do YOU personally know anyway?????????????Please feel free to tell me exactly who and what I am.I'll wait....

[@1957PLATO]

It seems the world is full of wedding photographers. Are there any others.

[@ironian24]

me :)

[@jeffmcquinn3430]

The use of gloves is a great point.

[@NolanG1997UltraMineplex]

I agree, I'm confused as to why he didn't just put some gloves on...

[@jeffmcquinn3430]

Here in Indiana we have a thing called winter. There is this stuff called snow and ice; it’s cold. Usually people wear gloves and like to keep them on to stay warm. But I guess I can just carry around a stylus like the Apple Pencil to control my damn af points

[@ericthomas6014]

Man stop hating!!!!!!!!!

[@luminouslandscape]

Eric Thomas we are not hating. It's a nice camera but our expectations were set a bit higher. This is an amazing first step for Canon and they have proved their dedication to the system with the amazing lenses.

[@johnjon1823]

Finally they offer the 6Dii they should have offered but still only 1 card - why? To keep selling the 5div and the ancient sensor with 2 cards and to milk that sensor to death and even beyond -like milking a zombie. DO they have the engineering and patent chops to improve - I think not, nice glass, old sensors -way behind at this point for what should be a dynamic range monster BY NOW. But who even knows if Nikon will survive at all, and did Sony make a mistake by not having a larger diameter?

[@andreasboger8261]

John jon, on your question: I think not. It is still bigger (46 mm) than the current Nikon F-mount diameter (44 mm). As both, Nikon and Canon, claim, the advantage of the bigger mount diameter is to be able to build insanely fast glass, such as f/0.9. I think that nowadays it is not necessary to use such lenses: To get more background separation it is more effective to increase the focal length than the aperture. For low light shooting, today and even more in the future, there is high ISO. So why bother with big and heavy glass? Only for Canon it makes sense: to counteract their weak sensors.

[@johnjon1823]

Very interesting thought.

[@Asif-ISB]

Yrs, I dont understand if this is not a pro, why is this priced $3000, why it has no flash.

[@kokioi8640]

None of pro-level cameras has a internal flash in the first place LOL

[@notdisclosed9745]

Lack of GPS is a big miss for me. So useful to be able to use it with Lightroom’s map module. Its omission marks it as pitched below the 5DIV.

[@JohnArmwood]

Your review seems to be simply a spec comparison. That is silly from a practical standpoint and leads to silly complaints. As an obvious example your complaint about your camera strap being in the way of using the camera in portrait mode. Duh, most straps have a bottom connector which allows you to hang the camera toward your back. The 4K spec is not an issue. Use a 16-35 lens like the Canon 4L. It works extremely well in 4K if you would want to vlog with a camera this heavy. I am brand agnostic. As an academic, I really dislike reviews that focus on form over substance. You don't even discuss picture fidelity. This is the central case of what cameras are for. You can do better than this. The whole idea of hit and miss is overly subjective. Describe the camera and how it works. Jeez.

[@pahountisg]

if the camera had dual cards I would have gotten the camera, even though is a bit slow for me. Since it does not, and at the same time it requires a new set of lenses, that means I m no longer tied to canon. I have ordered the A7iii instead with a lens, at the same money canon asks for this. Canon has made its business decisions, I have made mine, it is not personal :) . Great points here.

[@dennissmeltzer4394]

It does not require a new set of lenses. With the adapter you can even use EF-S APS-C lenses. Get your facts stratight

[@rickvestuto]

A lot of your points are valid but a few are just nitpicky Gloves?........ Most "Camera" gloves have removable fingertips (mine do anyway) A Joy Stick?............ It's a personal preference I personally hate joysticks Flippy Screen?.............Again It's a personal preference I personally hate tilty screens But i think you nailed it for the most part I am in a HUGE agreement with you about Technology OLYMPUS is the leader in Innovation and Canon, Nikon and Sony are lacking in Innovation This is after all 2018....... Cant wait for 2019 for Olympus announcments Thanks for this review

[@manilamartin1001]

Thanks for the great review. I think I'm waiting for my panasonic FF. I hear it will control my aircon and washer dryer with it's new joy stick. Actually I am just hoping for no crop 4k 60p. Everything else I think I can forgive. 9/25/18 . Crush Canikon day.

[@naturegood515]

star wars fans should not do camera reviews

[@djack41]

Why not mention the firmware announcement which Canon says will fix the frame rate reduction in continuous mode.

[@andreasboger8261]

Canon seems not to be able to catchup in sensor tech. They still can’t read out 4k video in full frame mode. It’s obviously not a problem for smaller sensors, e.g. all the smartphones, but less trivial on bigger sensors. I think it’s a heat problem, which only sony seems to manage.

[@Davitor1]

Andreas Boger most of Sony users who really use their cameras are still experiencing heating problems. The camera just shuts down.

[@andreasboger8261]

Sure, the first two generations of Alpha cameras were prone to that, not the third, including the A9. There are not many genuine imaging-sensor manufacturers out there. Canon, one of them, decided from early on to build their own sensors. I think just the very first Canon DSLR had a non Canon sensor from Kodak. And for the first about ten years they were pretty competitive, particularly in manufacturing costs, because they were the first to embrace the CMOS technology. Long before all the others, which were building CCDs. Since the rest of the industry transitioned to CMOS sensors, the relative deficits of Canon sensors became more and more apparent, and they all seem to originate in the electrical efficiency. Hence the lack in dynamic range, signal to noise ratio and (probably) read out speed (alongside reasonable heat dissipation). Is there any other sensor manufacturer besides Sony, who can do 4k video on big sensors, bigger than APS-C? Nikon sensors are manufactured by Sony, by the way.

[@Davitor1]

Andreas Boger yes I know and from what I have heard it may be a cost issue for Canon. Canon can also just give up and purchase this sensor from Sony which means they could not compete with it. Even Apple the biggest of tech companies had to compromise with their display, so no big deal. But personally I’m not a big fan of HDR which is what all this tech is leading to. For me enhancement of shadows are the soul of a photography.

[@andreasboger8261]

David Ramos I see your point. Firstly, “HDR” is a matter of taste and secondly, a sensor with high DR doesn’t necessarily lead to HDR pictures, it depends on the post processing. In fact, HDR pictures appeared even before the sensors reached such high dynamic range. Photoshop made it possible to combine several exposures and to flatten the gamma curve to crunch a big DR into a smaller one. I’m also not a fan of such aggressive tone mapping, as one can observe nowadays everywhere: “bring up the shadows, bring down the highlights”, Lightroom makes it easy for everyone. But it may be a temporary fashion. On the other hand, a sensor with a high DR gives you the opportunity to use higher sensitivity, i.e. ISO values. As the sensitivity goes up, the effective DR goes down. Therefore it is good to start with a higher DR at base sensitivity. That’s the image capture side. On the image reproduction side there is also progress, as the displays are getting more and more DR, i.e. contrast ration. Therefore there is less and less need for “HDR pictures” with compressed DR. Only the printing of stills is pretty limited to a relatively low DR. But ho prints nowadays? I think, those people don’t like HDR effects either.

[@Davitor1]

Hmmm something tells me you don’t mind sitting down in front of your computer forever.

[@zekirami]

Why u need gloves are u taking pictures for bacteria. Any way great vedio

[@luminouslandscape]

zeki rami we shoot in very cold conditions in places like Iceland and Antartica. Obviously this will not be an issue for most shooters.

[@zekirami]

ok now I understand .well all your vedio great so far just don't do a vedio about smart phone better photo and vedio than Canon R fullfram or sony a7 mark 3

[@angelisone]

So Canon spent thousand of dollars to get you guys and gals to the island just to talk about amateur camera? And you all are talking bad things after you got a free airline tickets, meals & rooms, wow!

[@horacecarter2081]

Too many serious misses in my opinion. Going with Sony.

[@StormRider1145]

Fuji funboy.

[@GregorMima]

Canon, innovate? Muhaha ;D good one. The last time they have been "innovative" was the 7D - the one i bought back then. After that? Nothing.

[@GregorMima]

Damn you got me ... tho im both!

[@gotropico]

M. F. butthurt will cry ?

[@ironian24]

After using this camera now for portrait, wildlife that actually moves and flys, and landscapes in the real world, I can confirm the Canon EOS R is a load of rubbish ;). I am of course lieing my pants off, it's blooming awesome, focusing is amazingly quick and taco sharp with any lens mounted to the adapter, this camera actually has made my photography almost too easy. I loved it when they spoke about it and moaned about the specs and I love it even more now I have it and using it. I say let the moaners moan and miss out.

[@thebadmanreturns]

Canon = Prison

[@josecolon8143]

Will (K)anon suffer the same luck as (C)odak? After all, they are certainly acting like Kodak did! History is great!!!

[@sportscarnut]

My cameras have dual card slots. I only use one. For me a camera is a photo shooting device not an image gathering gadget full of doodads; but that is me. A camera needs a sensor, a viewfinder, a lens and a controller to focus and make the exposure; everything else is a distraction.

[@Holo8liveClip8s6]

sony fanboy ALERT!

[@KevinRaber]

Wrong

[@mavfan1]

Canon apologist alert!

[@Davitor1]

It’s more like I don’t care what Canon has done right I just want to justify my purchasing a Sony. LOL

[@chuck90504]

Canon users have extremely low expectations. They’ve been conditioned that way

[@Davitor1]

chuck90504 at least we expect our Canon cameras to last longer than a year without repair or overheating