The Car Seat Headrest Iceberg is Weird...

[@KyleReidMu]

Hey, thanks for watching my video! I had a lot of fun researching and making this video so if there's any other bands with deep and weird lores that could be turned into an iceberg, let me know! Also, make sure you join our discord! We talk a lot about music there and about everyday things as well. It's a great community :) - discord.gg/BgdfsK4Qn2

[@Polysanityy]

I was going to make a video like this too!! Still thanks for making this.

[@thc_freebaser]

"I was also reading a biography on Franz Kafka. I stopped because it was too depressing, but I got far enough in when he started writing his first novel, America. It’s about this dude who goes to America and Kafka was writing it even though he had never been and would never go to America. That’s what influenced the song “America” - the chorus being both “I’ve never read America” because I hadn’t actually read the book, and “I’ve never been to America”, referencing the content of the book." - Will on America (Never Been)

[@KyleReidMu]

That's sick! Thanks for sharing that

[@chocolatemarthas]

Will made his stage name because there was already a Will Barnes making music and he wanted to avoid confusion, so he used his mother's maiden name "Toledo." He references this in a song by Nervous Young Men where he says "sometimes I use the name given by my mom."

[@KyleReidMu]

Interesting!

[@creeplys]

Which song does he say this?

[@theforklord9463]

@@creeplys Two Years In The Wilderness

[@SauceBoyBeats]

Believe it or not, Car Seat Headrest actually played a show in my kitchen at my old house in Richmond, VA. This was before Will moved Seattle and reformed the band with new members.

[@KyleReidMu]

Woah what!? That's so cool! How did that happen?

[@SauceBoyBeats]

@@KyleReidMu My best friend was the last drummer they had before Will moved to Seattle. I had a big house and it was one of the first stops on their last tour as a VA band.

[@KyleReidMu]

@@SauceBoyBeats That's awesome!

[@rusty697]

Was it the one show that was also live-streamed?

[@ConvincingPeople]

Some additional lore from someone who's been following Car Seat Headrest since about 2012: - Around the time of the release of Nervous Young Man, Will did an interview with the tiny indie label The Cavalry Press, who give Twin Fantasy its first physical issue on cassette. The interview seems to have vanished from the Internet in the intervening years, but in it Will talked about how "The Gun Song" from that record was intended as a capstone to the Twin Fantasy saga wherein the narrator kills the fictionalised version of their lover/twin and how it was a way for him to move on from the topic emotionally. (One can see this change in perspective realised in how different the tone of the new lyrics on Face to Face are, but I digress.) - A number of the Cate Wurtz songs listed in that total aren't about her directly or their relationship-although "portrait of the artist" and the Twin Fantasy cycle are *definitely* about that relationship-but rather the characters in her works; "The Ghost of Bob Saget" is, rather infamously, a nod to one of the characters in the truly bizarre queer nightmare-comedy Asscastle, while other songs reference smokes., Microwave Planet and I think Extraordinarily High Quality Amazing and COSM. (Will was also the inspiration for two different characters in her work, which he acknowledges in his cover of "Ivy", but that's understandably treading into very personal territory you might not want to get into.) - Speaking of Microwave Planet: Will contributed a song apiece to LAMEZONE 001 and 002. The latter was a cover of "Bury Me With My Money" by Forest World, but the former is a little more interesting: The original version of "Crows" from Nervous Young Man, which in context is very clearly about a specific character in that comic. These were actually the first CSH songs I ever heard, and "Crows" in particular was what got me hooked. - Will is also featured on a couple of Cate's own musical recordings, which are very experimental and strange. I like them. Not much else to say here. - At one point Will and the rest of the touring lineup of CSH at the time served as Jandek's backing band at a live performance. Explaining who Jandek is would take a while, so I'd suggest looking into this yourself (there is at least one good documentary about him), but in a nutshell, he's one of the most highly regarded "outsider musicians" still active and something of an institution in weird music circles. Absolutely baffling crossover. - There is an officially sanctioned remix of "War is Coming (If You Want It)" by the furry happy hardcore producer 4lung, who was (is?) a friend of Will's. 4lung has had an absolutely insane shitstorm of drama around her over the years which I *really* don't want to get into, but the genre crossover is strange enough to be notable. - Although Cate Wurtz is probably the artist most closely associated with CSH's work, Remy Boydell, another highly distinctive furry artist, was responsible for the single covers for "War is Coming (If You Want It)" and the rerecording of "Cute Thing", among others. Their comics are neat, although fair warning that their early stuff, like much of Cate's work, is *a lot.* Trigger warnings abound. - Will has a fursuiting account which he has linked to from his main Twitter several times. He also recently performed in said suit at a show. Seems like it was a lot of fun. Edit: Man, I did not see how old this video is. Ach, well, hopefully some of this is amusing or enlightening in some way regardless.

[@n3p_]

yippee more lore :3 thank u^^

[@JADEDed.]

help I just want to replace the passenger side car seat headrest in my 2004 Toyota Corolla but every time I try to search it up this Kyle guy’s videos come up

[@KyleReidMu]

Jade this is my favorite comment you've ever posted

[@White_Ivy_]

The "writing every song he ever wrote" bit was also a nod to the ending song of Nervous Young Man, Knife in the Coffee, where he says "And I stole every single song that I wrote From my seventeen-year-old ghost". This could be referring to how a lot of his discography is him rerecording older songs, and using song lyrics or songs themselves like Boxing Day, from his younger self

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh I missed that! Thank you for pointing that out :)

[@White_Ivy_]

@@KyleReidMu No problem!

[@Griot-Guild]

Damn that's bars

[@Waltar100]

5 was actually released. He got featured on a blog in 2011, so Will wanted that the first album that people listen from him to be more cohesive. So he merged Sunburned Shirts EP and 5 to make a better album

[@KyleReidMu]

Thank you for clarifying! I've always been confused about the 5 lore

[@Waltar100]

@@KyleReidMu yea no problem! Also if you're curious the tracklist for 5 was: The Drum Happy News for Sadness Stoop Kid Surf Jerk Something Soon No Passion Strangers A Pleasant Sort of Terror Lawns I CAN TALK WITH MY EYES SHUT Open-Mouthed Boy

[@crustpunkjesuschrist]

@@Waltar100 oh my god, if I CAN TALK WITH MY EYES SHUT was on the same album as Happy News For Sadness, Something Soon and strangers I would’ve been completely at peace by now

[@djorf4963]

@@Waltar100 you know the tracklist for 5 might actually just be way better than mbikmb

[@spinachcast2919]

I believe what "Starving While Living" was referring to was the fact that it could be "Starving While Living" or "Living While Starving" due to the album cover suggesting that either is correct and not 'unambiguating' the names.

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh supper interesting! I feel like I call it both of those titles without even realizing that I'm using them interchangeably lol

[@diego-qc5kq]

I’ve literally checked everyday to see if someone posted a csh iceberg and finally, here it is. great video.

[@KyleReidMu]

Hahaha! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@dylanculp3841]

Your life fucking sucks bro

[@julianaalexander]

this is the first time ive seen the adam driver clip and im so ??? literally one of the most random thing ive ever seen associated to csh

[@KyleReidMu]

HAHAHA Dude I know right?? So weird

[@talkinheads]

it’s not just a gas mask, Trait is Will’s fursona lol. you said you don’t want to expose him but i think he’s p open about it

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh interesting.. I was just being cautious. You never know...

[@valkyrie2832]

If I’m remembering correctly, in a Reddit ama someone asked “are you still a furry?” And Will responded “Yes” so he is pretty open about it

[@ronnie1064]

esp now

[@wrinkleintime4257]

Not anymore lol

[@Joshy-]

@@wrinkleintime4257 No, it still is. The fact that he made another one doesn't mean he can't have two.

[@callumfrew285]

"I got legs so why aren't I using them" hit me hard

[@ebecker9]

Also, the car in 1, 2, and little pieces of paper with no written on them is an early 2000s Toyota sienna. I know this because i drive an 01 sienna and it's almost spitting image. When I started listening to car seat headrest I didn't expect to own the car seat headrest lol

[@KyleReidMu]

Hahaha that's awesome!

[@Evanmnm]

I don’t know if I should be proud or disappointed in myself that I knew almost every single one of these

[@KyleReidMu]

Maybe a little mix of both but more so disappointed

[@dylanculp3841]

I'm disappointed in you

[@tuv]

loved this video

[@KyleReidMu]

Woah! Thank you!!

[@chillykaia]

tuv jumpscare

[@бина-ъ4ш]

TUV LISTENS TO CAR SEAT HEADREST CONFIRMED???????

[@gayporn4868]

tuv csh fan?

[@scirvy]

OH MY GOD

[@hannaa]

i don't know if someone mentioned this, but i think the will barnes bio comes from an old podcast that will did with his buddies when he was younger.

[@KyleReidMu]

Oooh ok makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that!

[@octobboy9685]

good video! but one thing I’m surprised these ice bergs didn’t have was Mr Yay Okay, arguably the earliest Will Toledo music project and it was recorded in a studio

[@KyleReidMu]

Woah I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that! That’s interesting

[@martinchocoo]

I think the Franz Kafka entry refers to the various references Will has made to Franz Kafka´s books, the most famous one is America (never been) off of how to leave town. The Chorus of the song goes "America (and i´ve never been)", And I think Franz Kafka made a book or something about America without ever having been there, so that song at least is inspired in Kafka

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh interesting. I figured it had something to do with making references to the author but I had no clue. Thanks for clarifying!

[@erloser6942]

also franz kafka is mentioned in the song "the ghost of bob saget" off 4

[@Hashten]

There are a lot more things that could be added to the Iceberg(mostly the lower end) such as Mr Yay Okay, a pre Nervous Young Men album Will made with other people where he played drums and did vocals. There's also another band even before that that Will started called The 63rd Fret that he made some stuff under the name of

[@LenKusov]

of COURSE will has a furaffinity account, he produced "how to drive a bus" by I've Made Too Much Pasta and i bought the cassette for 10 bucks off a dude in a squirrel costume holding a cardboard box when i was in pittsburgh one time

[@gnome5652]

why did i come to the comment section and thought i would find openmouthboy

[@post_ironik]

Correction regarding 5. 5 was created close to the same time as My Back and Twin Fantasy. My Back is Killing Me Baby is actually 5 with songs from Sunburned Shirts put on it. The songs taken off of 5 to create My Back ended up on Little Pieces of Paper, namely I CAN TALK WITH MY EYES SHUT, which was supposed to be the penultimate climactic song (similar to Famous Prophets on TF).

[@KyleReidMu]

Ahh ok makes sense. Thank you for the correction!

[@chocolatemarthas]

Cate Wurtz is also prominent within 3, and you could say a good half of Nervous Young Man is about her.

[@owners4293]

The "Hidden lyrics" in Famous Prophets (Minds) is the "For the 3 transgressions of Wurtz" block of lyrics, not the one you showed on screen. the transgressions lyrics are not on bandcamp or on the vinyl sleeve of MtM and were completely removed from Stars.

[@annaturquoise7701]

You give off 2013 vibes I can’t explain

[@KyleReidMu]

Bahaha thank you... I think?

[@Nirvanafanboy1991]

Great video. I will absolutely check the band out and I am looking forward to further content about them, it is always good to do deeper dives on bands like this who are not as well covered as they should be. Really enjoying the channel which I discovered thanks to Sufjan Stevens.

[@KyleReidMu]

This is one of my favorite bands so I can't recommend them enough! I'm really glad you enjoyed this video :)

[@DavidMatias]

oh shit my meme at 0:34 I love you hsahdsahfsah

[@KyleReidMu]

HAHAHA dude that song is so accurate to what cshr sounds like. It's too good!

[@douglasverbsky161]

your videos are fantastic and you can tell you put a lot of effort into them. keep up the great work! :)

[@KyleReidMu]

Thank you :) I definitely will!

[@marthamaclaren]

the painstar was also referenced in the face to face version of nyi ! :D

[@cathalkirkyla7756]

Frank Kazfa part came from ending of dramamine where he interpreted a short story by Frank

[@netherborn3261]

You're incorrect about The Cars sample, they did get it cleared but Ric Ocasek didn't approve of it The Franz Kafka references you can just search up and it is really easy to find Nervous Young Man is not a compilation album but a double album The Pain star is also brought up in Nervous young inhumans, it comes from a friend of Will and Wurtz who had a dream about it and so Wurtz used it in their comic Also this is not a fault on your part but I'm pretty sure Daniel Craig is a fan of CSH which I think is pretty fun

[@annaturquoise7701]

YOUVE BEEN ON METH THE WHOLE TIME??? I THOUGHT WE WERE BONDING, BUT YOU WERE ON METH???????

[@su0ue]

just found u and fell in love, cant wait to watch you get big

[@KyleReidMu]

Thank you!

[@ethandebateguy]

Smashmouth was like “so don’t delay, act now! Supplies are running out” and milked CSHR instead of making another album after the late 90s. 🌝

[@whiskybitness7016]

Dude I'm already a fan and subscribed for you using a song off the jet set radio future soundtrack that mybcrusty old ass felt young again hearing. Thanks homie

[@whiskybitness7016]

Make that multiple tracks from jsrf

[@KyleReidMu]

I use them in all my videos!

[@JanyLived]

I can't believe that car eat headrest

[@KyleReidMu]

We live in a society 😔

[@totalsunburn]

i can't believe will wrote twin fantasy when he was in the womb

[@mr.pistachio9970]

8:20 Will also has a song on 3 (I think?) called portrait of the artist as a young f** which is a reference to Joyce's novel A portrait of the artist as a young man

[@chocolatemarthas]

Rebelradio was originally on Twin Fantasy as well before being reworked into Romantic Theory, Monomania's opener.

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh that's super cool. Thanks for sharing!

[@malikesmoss]

galvanism is only mentioned in nervous young inhumans (2011), not in the 2018 version

[@firstnamelastname4778]

another one to add to the list is the go kitty go song that will was featured on???? yk the one; "Go kitty go kitty go, Just ride kitty ride kitty ride kitty, roll". it was made back in 2008 and resurfaced in 2021 on tiktok and such. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2KyiImBqaajbdU according to reddit (lol), "someone on twitter" said they added 'ft. will toledo' as a joke, reuploads say 'ft. will toledo' and genius also has 'ft will toledo' in the title. the original was uploaded with no mention of will. although they say they no longer have contact with the person they contracted to make the song in the description, so who knows. real or not its funny and kinda part of csh lore lol.

[@KyleReidMu]

Hahahaha what the heck that’s so weird

[@Baldman736]

Many people don’t know, will Toledo before car seat headrest was in the band nervous young men in 2008-early 2010

[@rowan9860]

this is my first time watching your videos and I gotta say your editing is fantastic and I love jet set radio soundtrack in this video :D

[@katecurtis-hawkins6476]

The different energy from you standing in this video is 👌

[@pehhhhhh]

literally the biggest nitpick but kinda drives me crazy you have several videos of GLACIERS in an ICEBERG video

[@sappling2p]

Super-duper-obscure-lowest-iceberg-tier-secret entry: the “nightmare left turn” referenced in beach life-in-death was actually a right turn

[@n3p_]

i’m surprised mr yay okay isn’t here

[@sillygoose2347]

I’m so upset he’s not in va anymore :( my friend goes to the hs he went to though I’m so jealous

[@sealchow]

idk if someones pointed this out this video is A Year Old but franz kafkas might be about how theres a verse in The Ghost of Bob Saget (off of 4) where Franz tells will that things arent that deep and pierces his ears outside a 7 11

[@nolongerused272]

franz kafka is referenced in the song "The ghost of bob saget" on 4

[@KyleReidMu]

Oooh ok. Thank you for pointing that out!

[@bttr_cff]

bro I love the format

[@zzoee0]

i feel very honored to have known most of these things 😄 great video dude

[@firstnamelastname4778]

thrice is nice should be on this list! its a podcast will and his friends made in 2009 before car seat headrest or young nervous men (or whatever its called) was a thing and basically its 7 episodes full of songs, some less trashy than others. the whole thing is that the songs are under a bunch of made-up band names like Mr. Pilot and Larsen Effect, to kinda seem like its not the same 3 people or so playing the songs. (sorry if it was in the video and i just missed it)

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh that's so interesting! Do you know where I could find this? I feel like it would be fun to listen to

[@firstnamelastname4778]

@@KyleReidMu apple podcasts!

[@oisinoc8533]

I think Franz Kafka is about a lyric on "The Ghost of Bob Saget" off 3.

[@gayporn4868]

Will Toledo preformed on his tour in his fur suit not as trait but in his real fur suit and posts ab it so he’s chill with it also cate wurtz uses she/her I’m pretty sure lmao

[@chloelombardo9662]

i love car seat headrest

[@KyleReidMu]

Me too

[@chocolatemarthas]

Actually, I'm pretty sure a mutual friend of Cate and Will's made the Painstar.

[@lol-yi3sp]

thank you so much for this

[@KyleReidMu]

Of course :)

[@justsomerando718]

Will has lyrics about an account on a furry site in multiple places across his work

[@arata2369]

Great video! Also what's the song at 0:34

[@KyleReidMu]

Thanks! It's actually a meme on youtube called "Car Seat Headrest in a Nutshell" lol

[@rainniebee]

will had worn his fursuit on stage before, im pretty sure he doesn’t mind if people know lol

[@ariaperimeter]

at the point this was uploaded he hadnt yet

[@ouroborbros]

Perfect timing for the when we were young drop

[@isaaclittlehale283]

Should sober to death being added to the fortnite radio be added to the iceberg

[@KyleReidMu]

Lmao this is the second person who commented this today. Is this a recent thing?

[@Near79]

0:12 APHEX TWIN IN the BACKGROUNDD!!!!!!

[@goobiesnoobert]

I think it's a good thing "asscastle" isnt on here

[@luthva]

you forgot about some car seat headrest songs being in the fortnite radio

[@KyleReidMu]

LMAO What???

[@isaaclieb8898]

great video! i had no idea that twin fantasy was about cate! do you have a link or something I can read about it?

[@KyleReidMu]

There was a lot of info about it on the original iceberg reddit post. Apparently a lot on 3 is about her as well. Here's the link www.reddit.com/r/CSHFans/comments/lcqwj9/csh_iceberg_chart/

[@nathantaylor6785]

kafka is referenced in the ghost of bob saget from 4 :o

[@KyleReidMu]

Yup, I listened to 4 not too long ago and was like "ooh that makes sense now" lol

[@bernkastel242]

The Franz Kafkas one is referencing a verse on The Ghost of Bob Saget off of 4 that mentions him. That's it.

[@KyleReidMu]

Ahhh ok. Thanks for mentioning that!

[@bernkastel242]

@@KyleReidMu Np np, but you should really listen to the numbered albums lmao

[@KyleReidMu]

@@bernkastel242 hahah I know, I know

[@pandanurse]

I believe the sample in Not What I Needed was cleared, then the clearance was revoked after they had started pressing the album

[@78209]

He also made a diss on sam ray cuz sam wrote a whole essay on why he didnt like CSH

[@gonkdroid4prez539]

He didn't even mention the cover of Bohemian Rhapsody. It exists and it haunts me

[@garegga4]

7:40 Heh, it strikes me as kind of funny to call Kafka a novelist when all his novels were published posthumously. I mean, I don't think it's incorrect, but he probably wouldn't have called himself one.

[@grapesofsound]

Head Seat Carrest

[@lpsoutfitt9990]

i think oh! starving is from stabby ode, a reference to oh! darling?

[@KyleReidMu]

You're right! It's on the compilation of tracks that people found from the project

[@odiadonervo1915]

I believe something missing from these Icebergs is Mr Yay Okay

[@maureenrush2336]

thank you kyle

[@KyleReidMu]

You're so very welcome

[@ericdykstra4545]

I've never listened to this band, I don't know why I watched an iceberg video about them.. Good editing and everything though.

[@KyleReidMu]

Hahaha honestly the fact that you don't know them but still watched is the best compliment you could've given me, so thank you for that lol :)

[@Litch016]

8:24 This aged very well

[@dipie197]

Whats the song at 0:34?

[@dipie197]

Oh my god it’s the car seat headrest in a nutshell

[@KyleReidMu]

Yup HAHA

[@ChannelZero1031]

0:33 What song was that? Wtf.

[@kirwitch8236]

franz kafka in mentioned in a song on 4, "the ghost of bob saget"

[@ashleyfox5825]

will's furaffinity was(?) just called carseatheadrest, he posts demos on there

[@quentinmitchell3047]

Whats the “I thought we were bonding” lyrics from?

[@snartblast6406]

drunk on a work night off of disjecta membra

[@quentinmitchell3047]

@@snartblast6406 tysm!

[@rowan-priince1860]

I’m only a couple minutes in but if this iceberg doesn’t mention 4lung it’s garbo

[@jacksonl8591]

trait is his fursona lmao

[@acedaybreaker2545]

Word on the street is that Will’s mother’s last name is Toledo, Barnes was from his father. He thought it was cool iirc

[@ElonMuskIsSerbian]

Great video, loved it! Unfortunately you pronounced gif as jif and therefore I will be at your front door in the near future.

[@art.hropod]

god i wish this was as deep as it goes...

[@KyleReidMu]

Lol

[@mostdope69thumbsup]

Making a CSH iceberg video but you haven't heard any of the numbered albums?

[@KyleReidMu]

Haha yup..

[@summermustdie8714]

what’s the song at 0:34

[@KyleReidMu]

It's a youtube video called "car seat headrest in a nutshell" lol

[@madymilian1647]

i enjoyed this, pls more csh baby 🤬🤬

[@KyleReidMu]

Milking my favorite band for content

[@ammcmc2217]

5:26 look mom it’s me I’m famous

[@vozvolta271]

took my whole idea smh

[@KyleReidMu]

Lmao I was lowkey stressed during the entire editing process that you were actually gonna take this idea

[@vozvolta271]

@@KyleReidMu I would never. I saw when you came up with it. I ain’t no stealer

[@KyleReidMu]

@@vozvolta271 Haha good. Can never be too careful these days

[@GoogleSnakeee]

bro looks like the average csh fan

[@shimmipenguin1764]

I think HTLT master might be referring to the fact that will has stated that he doesn't have the files from HTLT, so he can't re-record it like he did with twin fantasy

[@KyleReidMu]

Oh that's very interesting and kind of sad.. HTLT is perfect though so I wouldn't want him to re-record it anyway lol

[@shimmipenguin1764]

@@KyleReidMu yeah he talked about it in the fantano interview I think. He didn't think there would be a good reason to rerecord because he doesn't regret anything on the album, but a remaster for a vinyl release would be cool Great video btw 👍👍

[@KyleReidMu]

@@shimmipenguin1764 Thank you! and I agree, having HTLT on vinyl would be amazing

[@EmersonBorakove]

He also didn’t have the files for twin fantasy

[@mihaelacodreanu4601]

would it be bad if i said i discovered csh through starving while living?? just speaking in a hypothetical way

[@coketrafficker7767]

great fan

[@winter1657]

I hope to have an iceburg for my strange indie music one day…