The Car That Should Have Dominated

[@Chr.Monika6469]

"You can tell Corrado 3 is enough" 😂 Gronholm became a comedian that season, when he chatted with Rovanpera mid stage he later stated he should have bring the coffee

[@dorukbuyukpinar7069]

Used to play WRC 2005 in my PSP, for some reason been in love with the 307 WRC since then. Unreliable, unsuccessful but really really pretty.

[@Funbaggio]

The loud music over the commentary 😂 what a throwback

[@ziggybowman6875]

First time I've heard about it, the broadcast was dubbed for my language and the voice-over clarity was pretty good

[@colmbolger2109]

I wonder how many WRC champions knew when to go 8/10 th when others went 9.5/10 th. After all you have to finish to get points.

[@kolorado7260]

The title, the thumbnail, it all made sense. Really wish for a 908 HDI FAP video, even if it wasn't a failed racer, it could have been so much better

[@PescaraProductions]

The 307 reeked of what had befallen teams before it, with the manufactures getting a little too involved with the decision making process as the sports popularity reached its peak, simply to plug a car model. Mitsubishi shoehorned in a new car and cost Makkinen the 01 title. Subaru did similar by squeezing a new body over the previous car and also nearly cost Burns the 01 title too. Peugeot did the same with the 307. It simply wasn't ready and was all done to advertise a car rather than win a title. I remember at the time all the jumping up and down people did over the whole 'its the first convertible to be entered in WRC' bit. Ironically Mitsubishi, Subaru, Skoda and Peugeots inability to make sensible decisions at the right time regarding their car models would lead to all 4 fading from the WRC in the end. Panizzi and Gronholm both said the 206 had a year or two left in it and neither were too pleased by a car that wasted two fairly handy talents (Marcus nearly losing his job after calling the 307 shit on Finnish TV and finding himself in front of the board in a meeting in Paris) In the end the cars legacy was having a crap gearbox, being one of the puzzle pieces to the downfall of the WRC's popularity and killing Michael Park in 2005

[@wellend89]

It wasn't a sudden Mitsubishi's decision to change the car in the middle of the 2001 season. They'd made a deal with the FIA to keep running a modified Group A Lancer after the WRC regs came in for 1997. That deal included a deadline - Mitsubishi had to run a full WRC car from 2001 San Remo rally onwards. So, they had plenty of time to prepare but blew it. Went right up to the deadline with fairly minimal testing and effort - the result was a disaster.

[@jasonfarrell1907]

"the music turned loud enough..." - Ah, I feel vindicated. I thought it was just me. This is like therapy, thank you.

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Peugeot in Motorsport: consistantly too clever by half.

[@daveruda]

There was a post on Grönholms social media where he is driving a Toyota Corolla WRC behind a 307. And he does a few gear changes and a thumbs up. See they worked it out already in 97 ;) Peugeot 2004-05 seasons must be some of the most spectacular fall from grace stories in recent history. The 206 was still incredible in 2003 and Marcus was the moral champion of the year.

[@rickyclee1295]

"i am fed up with this car" marcus gronholm

[@AdamTheMan1993]

To this day I don't know why Peugeot decided to use the CC version of the 307 instead of the hatchback model

[@rufin7]

CC have lower center of gravity than hatchback

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

some cars are coupe for a reason

[@motorsportracer97]

i believe it was due to Marketing reasons at the time, Peugeot wanted to push the 307 Cabrio.

[@EmyrDerfel]

I thought the CC hit the length minimum without the megabumpers they had to do on the 206.

[@motorsportracer97]

@@EmyrDerfel yeah but i dont think that was the reason they switched to CC. Panizzi said they already ruined the 206 in 03 with changes to the suspension, making an argument for a change of car.

[@Holanduzo]

20:45 what? NO, that was the Stobart team, M-Sport existed then, they run oficialliy Fords since 97 till date, and so, in 2006 as Ford works team, run by M-Sport.

[@FailedRacers]

M Sport existed back then, but the entrant which is the current M-Sport Team was the Stobart team in 2006. The works team left in 2012. It's like the AF Corse team in WEC. AF Corse runs the factory Ferrari team, but there's also a seperate privateer car from AF Corse as well.

[@A_Kulcsar]

Interesting video but I am a little disappointed to see no mention of the accident in the 2005 Wales Rally GB which took the life of Michael Park, 5 time rally winning co-driver to Markko Märtin.

[@FailedRacers]

I did include a bit at the very end, but the reason it didn't get a major mention is because the video is about the failure of the car, and I don't want to unintentionally imply that Peugeot was at fault for it because that's not the case.

[@marfrandema1884]

It wasn't a bad car.. Stohl in 2006 said it was the most reliable car he ever drove

[@johnbowie4869]

that original audio mix was fuckin wild bruh

[@Box1-lf9hv]

I kinda blame Corrado Provera for accepting the fact that they had to replace the victorious 206 WRC with the 307. Although it had some flaws, it got 26 podiums from both Peugeot's works team and privateers, a good thing for it. If I was the director of Peugeot's WRC program, I would literally still keep using the 206 WRC as it was older than the other competitors, instead of developing the 307.

[@marfrandema1884]

@@Box1-lf9hv the plan it seems it was for the 307 to be a transitional car with the 207 replacing it later but sadly they call it quits.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

Maybe they could have used the 207 instead of the 307.

[@michaelskoomamacher5652]

Ahhhh Corrado Provera - the same guy who oversaw the dog poo known as Peugeot F1 engine.

[@hydrasalesman9629]

No one will ever hold the French back more than the French.

[@mhh7544]

Marcus said 307 was sales deparment project, not racing department, the chassis wasnt suitable for rally at all. Youre very wrong in your assesment that parent company didnt have effect. It was CEO who heard rumors all the time that Peugeot and Citroen were trolling one another and eventually pulled plug from the Peugeot. ...and its reliability...... Well Marcus went and won two world manufactures titles with Ford 2006 and 2007, only time Ford had won the titles.

[@stuartross282]

Another car I would as a underachiever in WRC is Escort WRC as it was abit heavy

[@tomasalves7831]

And, worst of all, it was underpowered

[@lassenikulainen6722]

if I recall correctly it was heavily based on A-group Escort and thus never was ment to be extremely succesfull. It was just a transitional car to keep Ford in the series while they developed Focus RS. Still Sainz and Kankkunen managed to be somewhat relevant on the standings in 97 and 98 so I would not regard that really as a failure

[@Snarl616]

@@lassenikulainen6722 Sainz and Kankkunen were good in 97 only in races where what matters is the handling of the car or the driving style, and the power is not that important, like Indonesia or Greece. In 1998 the Escort WRC was nowhere.

[@MrPeterheveran]

Great video. You patched the old audio and the edit is alot better. You are coming into your own. Looking forward to more in the future.

[@La_Gretsch]

Stohl is a legend

[@FatVaderStudio]

Can you give us a playlist of the music you add to all the videos? Love your choices!

[@KingofWolvesii]

Peugeot seem to have a track record of underperforming in series ( see also F1 Engines)

[@Chr.Monika6469]

Laughs in Peugeot 905

[@woodant1981]

I maintain, it could have been good with updates!! Nice video man, glad you've taken feedback on board and long may the channel grow!!

[@CallumBlyth]

Babe wake up new Failed Racers video

[@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers]

The 307 CC WRC still has the crown of coolest rally car of the 21st century

[@Hythe01]

The first and only convertible to be entered in the world rally championship, eh? So what about the Fiat 124 Spider?

[@FailedRacers]

From what I understand the Group 4 Fiat 124 had a rigid hardtop, including on the homolgated model, and the rigid hard top was not retractable as far as I'm aware, but I'm also not sure on that one. The R-GT one never had a works team. The 307 counts as a convertible because, although the roof doesn't work on the rally car, the homologated version did have a metal folding roof.

[@falconeshield]

Wasn't flexible enough Eeeeeh?

[@Hythe01]

@@FailedRacers Ha! You’re right - that’s me told… 🙂

[@gothicpagan.666]

Lancia Fulvia also compeated as a convertible, Purley to save weight

[@nowind37]

any plans to do a video about dacia logan s2000

[@FailedRacers]

Definitely one I'll look into

[@someonecalledeulogio2280]

Basicamente, se confiaron con la transmision

[@nowind37]

wait why total and marlboro are evil company?

[@FailedRacers]

One will cause lots of negative health problems for you, and the other spills a bunch of oil in the sea near Nigeria

[@janosnagy3096]

@@FailedRacers Lol 😂😂🤣🤣 That's such bullshit.

[@falconeshield]

Because cigarette and oil companies

[@timmurphy4844]

That would of been my favourite car except for badge on the front of it

[@TassieLorenzo]

You don't love Peugeots?!

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

A Coupe Convertible from the prancing lion that could tackle dirt.

[@chancaleb8376]

Please come back!

[@sDmD13]

can u maybe share the link for the assetto corsa mod u used?

[@FailedRacers]

Here's the 307, I'll try to find the Xsara next sharemods.com/lqwxyknp7efj/Peugeot_307CC_WRC_by_Rallyworld_updated_by_Kornos_for_AC_v1.16.3.7z.html

[@joaquingonzalez834]

don't know why but i saw the thumbnail and immediately thought of the 908 HDi FAP

[@motorsportracer97]

yeah same cause the 908 was always faster than the Audis but only one LM win.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@joaquingonzalez834 Actually, that didn't failed. He was talking about the 307 WRC.

[@joaquingonzalez834]

​​@@Box1-lf9hvtheoretically, the 908 HDi FAP should have triumphed many times over Audi with its blistering pace at Le Mans, 3 out of 4 times it failed but 2010 in particular showed just how unreliable it could be if it wasn't losing to driver mistakes or strategy

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@joaquingonzalez834 Yeah, but it did actually won outside Le Mans.

[@joaquingonzalez834]

​​​@@Box1-lf9hvindeed, especially its successor the 908 (just 908), except for Le Mans and Sebring of course just a shame because it should have won more of the event it was designed for

[@nowind37]

whats the song in 2:03

[@FailedRacers]

HXI - Lock n' Load

[@pizzamegagames6405]

Again talking about the same car ?

[@FailedRacers]

Remake of an old video, the original audio was pretty bad

[@mdp26]

@@FailedRacers tbf a video with good content and shitty audio is exactly what 00's WRC on KZbin is all about

[@pizzamegagames6405]

Ok,my bad.​@@FailedRacers

[@wellend89]

3/10, a poorly researched video. Relying on purely anecdotal evidence without uncovering what was really going on behind the scenes.

[@Panzerkampff]

can you "uncover" the things that was going on "behind the scenes"?

[@wellend89]

@@Panzerkampff 1. Peugeot's marketing department pushed through using the coupe-cabriolet as a basis, the engineers wanted to use a hatchback and an example had already been built before it got scrapped. This fairly last-minute change put the project behind and indirectly caused a lot of the subsequent issues. 2. The FIA didn't allow the CC's roof panels to be welded, only bolted together - therefore, the 307 used about 35% more roll cage tubing to get comparable stiffness to a hatchback but even then, most drivers agree it felt a bit flexible and floppy. 3. The car was meant to run with a dual-clutch transmission but this was nowhere near to being ready so they tested with a five speed Hewland sequential but it kept breaking so were forced to use the four speed where they could fit beefier internals. 4. A cascading issue of the gearbox debacle were the differentials. For the first rallies of the 2004 season the 307 was the only WRC car without ANY active diffs (including the center one). This is the short of it. It's amazing they did as well as they did.

[@Panzerkampff]

@@wellend89 ay that's a nice set of info gj

[@wrongcheese]

@@wellend89 I think the Lancer WRC04 also didn't have active diffs for a good part of the 2004 season

[@Snarl616]

​@@wellend89 So the 307 was like the Cordoba: a car flawed from the start, with issues that could never be fixed because that would mean a new homologation, which in turn means a new model for the road, that of course would never happen unless it was already planned by the car brand regardless of the WRC situation, and with an events schedule so tight that teams can hardly keep up and develop the cars at the same time. And that's what made me lose interest for WRC back in the days: too many technical things to know and explain, and too many rules or decisions that didn't make sense. I mean, why did Peugeot make the 206 GT to allow the 206 to race, but didn't homologate a 307 with fixed roof? Why the Cordoba engine and suspension mounts were never fixed? And this is just the start.

[@chiseledmedal2634]

Weird car suggestion, that time a Dodge Ramcharger ran in the Safari Rally of 1981. A good resource I found for car list as well is this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rally_cars not perfect but good I think!