The CELL That NEVER DIED In Dragon Ball Z

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Honestly cell never needed his perfect form, if he had simply trained for a few months like frieza he would literally be unstoppable since cell even in his first form was already far beyond frieza at his full power so if he trained for 4 months he would be far stronger than frieza during resurrection F. He also has saiyan genetics meaning his gains would be even more than what he could get with just frieza and king colds genetics.

[@justinarzola4584]

Yeah Cell was already extremely powerful,but Gero had a grudge with 17 and 18 so he put had to make absorbing them apart of cell's programming.

[@AsarSankhNeferu7]

BIG FACTS!!!!! 💯

[@SirAuron777]

This would make a dope what if scenario type of movie, golden or black version of Cell like frieza, but in his first form that looks menacing and sounds creepy lol

[@LaidBack--]

Yea but the whole frieza potential thing didn't come into place until Super came. I don't think it's fair to say what somebody could've did when said ability didn't come out until 30 hrs later lol.

[@coyotestylepro1150]

Maybe, tho Cell is a bio android We don't know his full biology Maybe Gero hacked his "cells" Made it so his PL would cap At a certain number and Only way Cell can gain 🦾 Is through special summons like Absorption 😎

[@Blakestuart1245]

My headcanon on what happened in the unseen timeline: Age 767 - The Z Fighters shut down the androids using the shutdown device. Since there are no cell in this timeline (except for the baby Cell in the lab), the Z Fighters are weaker as they enter the Buu arc. Age 767 (shortly after shutting down the androids) - The events of the Super Android 13 movie take place. Age 774 - The Buu arc begins. Since Goku doesn't die, he only manages to ascend to Super Saiyan 2 and not Super Saiyan 3. However, without Goku's death in this timeline, Vegeta isn't in a rush to fight him because he doesn't have the 24-hour limit to stay on Earth that Babidi gave him in the main timeline. As a result, Vegeta doesn't go Majin and fight Goku. Instead, they go straight to Babidi and Dabura, defeating them before Buu hatches, similar to how Future Trunks did. As for "Super," it gets tricky. If Beerus were to show up, Goku and everyone else would be weaker than in the main timeline. Goku's strongest form in this timeline is Super Saiyan 2, not 3, because he never died and trained in the Other World for 7 years. Beerus would effortlessly defeat everyone, and I doubt Goku would achieve Super Saiyan God in this timeline. In my opinion, "Battle of Gods" and none of the events from Super happened in this timeline. Age 788 - Assuming Goku and the Z Fighters are still alive at this point, Cell finally emerges from the lab. By this time, Goku and Vegeta could have possibly found a new form beyond Super Saiyan 2, assuming they survived the events between the Buu arc and Age 788. I think they would easily Cell, even if they are weaker than their main timeline counterparts. I'd like to believe that both Goku and Vegeta would have achieved at least Super Saiyan 3 by Age 788. After all, we're talking Age 788, which is 14 years of training post-Buu arc.

[@QaamansLand]

What about Gohan then?

[@Bohemian0522]

@@QaamansLand without any threats to the world, it's safe to assume Gohan becomes a scholar as Chi Chi wished. Of course there would be no training and no SSJ2.

[@justinmuller4255]

If they couldn’t fight beerus , would the earth still be there ?

[@Lol-nc4xb]

Basically the best and most peaceful timeline

[@ueIl]

Beerus would still be stronger than anyone anyway, so either way nothing would prevent them to ask Shenron about the SSJG Not to mention that there would be no Buu to anger Beerus with the pudding thing. So yes, Battle of Gods would still happen, and even if it doesn't, Beerus' DNA wpuldvstill be collected, which means that that Cell would probably have Hakai energy. He would also prob have Shin's (that would give him the Kaikai technique) Which means that by the time Age 788 comes around, Cell realizes there are no androids there, so he uses the Kaikai, teleports to the land of the Kais, kills Shin and takes his Time Ring, goes to the main timeline as to absorb that timeline's androids to become Perfect. And that's my (better) headcanon

[@lucidmind9676]

Seeing the “behind the scenes” of you putting these videos together makes me appreciate them even more. Keep up the great content 💯

[@batboythecool]

fr in a way i learned more about editing

[@Eric-gp3hi]

Great video Qaaman. There are so many timelines in Dragonball. Akira Toriyama and Toei should make an official Dragonball Encyclopedia Guidebook where it shows all the timelines in Dragonball. The Dragonball timeline keeps expanding with all these time rings.

[@QaamansLand]

That kind of already exists.

[@Eric-gp3hi]

@@QaamansLand Oh it does what is the book called?

[@nworder4life]

@@Eric-gp3hi Not a book, it's a website.

[@nworder4life]

@@Eric-gp3hi here you go https : // pbs. twimg. com/ media/ Cv7LWLIVUAARaH0? format= jpg&name=orig

[@Eric-gp3hi]

@@nworder4life What’s the website called?

[@Slickioka]

I was literally binging your future timeline videos and i found it funny how you release one 24 minutes later

[@QaamansLand]

Which ones did you watch?

[@DenniDownBad]

0:20 When Qaaman drops that updated Alternate Timeline Theory video in the future, its going to hit like crack in the '80s.

[@Prime92]

Why the 80's?

[@TheBillhs]

i dont think the timelines are all the same up until "x happens"(trunks arrives in the past for example) because in our main timeline we also had gero and 19 as androids,i doubt gero started developing them during the time the z fighters were training for the actual androids,just seems like it would take more time

[@QaamansLand]

They are. I explained it in another video.

[@bryankennedy3719]

Lol no I think he means the writer keeps forgetting and making things up so it doesn't matter what we think lolol

[@TheBillhs]

@@bryankennedy3719 no,i genuinelly think the timelines were different from the beginning intentionally,even before future trunks came to the present timeline

[@Mc_Beefcake]

We can't say with much certainty what exactly happens in the unseen timeline, interstingly it's been said that Trunks simply travelling through time and taking care of Frieza he creates a butterfly effect that changes the way the timeline develops. This means that most likely, the timeline we see in the show has an additional butterfly effect from Cell showing up which doesn't happen in the unseen timeline. This makes it impossible for us to say how the androids behaved, whether 19 and 20 were there, if 16 is activated and if they are ultimately defeated or deactivated. I am personally leaning towards Goku destroying the androids and Trunks training until he can take the androids in his own timeline, Cell explains his murder on Trunks as an assassination while Trunks' guard was dowm making it seem like he couldn't have taken Trunks on equal grounds. So I guess the Cell in the unseen timeline could be alive, or the Briefs might have just gone to Gero's lab to snoop around after all was said and done and abort cell when they stumble on him on the spot.

[@ChrisBear1989]

I assumed it was cause trunks traveling through time caused a bit of a change(Butterfly affect). On the other hand I don't like the idea that Goku was just "destined" to die at the heart virus. Time travel hurts my head even if I like the idea.

[@nathleflutiste]

You lost me bro.

[@QaamansLand]

I tried so hard and got so far...

[@khavontemobley7306]

Same I had to rewatch the video from like 5 years ago just to keep up

[@sandheep_dahiya]

​@@QaamansLandin the end it doesn't even matter... No problem buddy , you got yourself a new subscriber 😉

[@parzival-bo]

I always assumed the unseen timeline was the Goku Black timeline. That ties everything up pretty neatly.

[@link7449]

Well might be the case but unfortunately we'll never get an explanation for that.

[@parzival-bo]

@@link7449 Probably not, but it makes a *_lot_* of sense, so I'll just maintain that headcanon and bid you a nice day.

[@MrBGP006]

The unseen timeline is pretty much the original present to timeline 3 future where cell is from. The unseen timeline plays out exactly as the main timeline with trunks going back in time K!lling frieza and his father. Android 19 and 16 exist, and 16,17, and 18 are deactivated by the shutdown remote trunks and krillin found. Cell just wasn’t the main villain. Trunks went back to his timeline shutdown 17 and 18, cell k!lls trunks and take his time machine accidentally traveling back further in time a year before frieza arrived on earth which created alternate timelines “ the main timeline and timeline 2 with the trunks we know.

[@parzival-bo]

@@MrBGP006 Yeah, and so the unseen timeline is basically identical to the Light timeline up until Future Trunks' (lack of) reappearance. This includes the U6 Tournament, and therefore Zamasu puts his plan into motion.

[@havocgear8143]

@@MrBGP006 goku dies in the unseen one too

[@Maraki-san]

A updated timeline video would be amazing

[@KienjeTheGiant]

I never understood where this Cell came from until today. Now, I do. Thanks!

[@lorddude123]

How strong would the main timeline cell be? The one that Trunks and krillen kill? Trunks says the the main timeline 17 and 18 are stronger then his verison. So would the main timeline cell be stronger and there for, the prefect version be stronger too? It's a cool what-if.

[@QaamansLand]

I have a video on this

[@lorddude123]

@@QaamansLand oh word

[@jarodshepard1046]

I’d say he is more powerful. Since 17 & 18 were stronger then he would need to be to be able to overtake them & absorb them

[@EndoScorpion]

I don't think 17 & 18 are stronger in any particular timeline. Trunks just doesn't know the extent of their power as the androids in his timeline constantly hold back just to toy with him. They caught Gohan off gaurd with this exact thing. Gohan trained for a year thinking he'd trained enough to be stronger than them. Stronger than the power they showed the last time he'd fought them. Only for 17 to say he was holding back and only using 50% of his power. Bulma even calls out Trunks' naivety when he thinks he can take them on. Only for him to be defeated and left for dead. Bulma had to go find his unconscious body and he was in a coma for days because of it. Trunks is unreliable, inexperienced, and naive. If 17 & 18 had gone full power on him... he'd end up like Gohan. Dead. The androids in the main timeline were defending themselves. Not toying around (well, 18 was arguably toying with Vegeta). And were facing more powerful versions of the heroes. So more excessive force would be needed to put them down. Most of the heroes were put down in a single blow. So yeah, there is a change in attitude for the androids, but I highly doubt there was a change in power.

[@madhursaxena2645]

​@@EndoScorpionRemember when Cell told Piccolo about the bug drones? I bet they were watching the Z-Fighters train for the 3 years after Future Trunks warned them. They were most likely must stronger than their future counterparts and the drones saw all of their progress. So Gero stopped looking at the data after Vegeta left Earth but the drones were still collecting data and it was put into Cell by the computer. So whose to say the data wasn’t given to 17 and 18?

[@davidesterley3163]

The ads make this feel so nostalgic, the eye catches really make it authentic

[@johnsmith-tq5zn]

I'm pretty sure that when Trunks and Krillin went to get the Androids' blueprints in the unseen timeline, they didn't leave an unknown creature floating in that liquid in peace. They'd never take that chance with a creation of Dr Gero's. I bet they destroyed the lab before leaving. And even if they didn't, the unseen timeline was probably ravaged by Babidi a few years later, so still that Cell had little hope of surviving.

[@blessedxxiii8908]

babidi only comes to earth cause sensed ssj2 and super perfect cells power levels the beam struggle was the icing on the cake for him without ssj2 power buu will never be awakened

[@LuigiNico73offical]

I could’ve sworn you did this as a live stream

[@QaamansLand]

Lol trolling?

[@LuigiNico73offical]

@@QaamansLandno I saw a live stream notification but I was at a party =_= so I couldn’t watch it

[@darkusblader]

​@@LuigiNico73officalIt was a premier i think.

[@QaamansLand]

It was a live stream. I made a stream of me editing this

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Unseen timeline=main timeline without a time traveling cell, that’s the easiest way to describe it

[@Bohemian0522]

This is the best explanation to the unseen timeline. I've seen couple of videos and even look up the Dragon Ball wiki, there is a translation and quote from the Daizenshuu guidebook about Timeline 4, which I believe is wrongly explained. In the guidebook it said "Cell Game begins without the presence of Trunks", which seems odd to me as Cell is not supposed to become perfect in this timeline. I assume the androids were already destroyed by the stop device before Future Trunks heading back to his timeline.

[@2ndPlacePrize]

Them fart streams paying off. My man Q cooked with this one.

[@blackzero786]

Think Cell would've been stronger if he had the genes of Picollo/Kami Fusion as a base instead of just Picollo himself. Well when he did run into the fusion later he did comment it as "You ARE the Fusion of Kami and Picollo!" as if he was surprised.

[@PriaMason-o8y]

Of course I enjoyed this video ❤❤❤

[@QaamansLand]

Why?

[@PriaMason-o8y]

@@QaamansLand again well I couldn’t explain stuff about dragon ball the way experts can like you Danny from geekdom101 totally not mark and Mike from laughing stock media even though like some people in the fandom well I don’t want to compare myself to them I try to be open minded with the sub version of dragon ball oh I forgot one more guy I love Jordan the dragon lee I love dragon ball experts

[@BrianAwesome]

Unseen Cell coulda trained, to stand a chance against the Unseen Z Fighters.

[@MLaak86]

Toriyma made his own brain hurt, cannot get over people sorta piecing together and putting together all of this...

[@Empawk]

I drank a shot of alcohol every time QUAAMAN said "Timeline" and I got alcohol poisoning.

[@QaamansLand]

How do you spell Qaaman?

[@Empawk]

@@QaamansLand Questions And Answers Man

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Super Perfect cell was awesome 😎

[@NitakuDragonsoul]

Curious though if the z fighters went and got Dende in this unseen timeline could Cell have collected the Dragon Balls and wished for his perfect form? I mean in all likelyhood he would be aware of their existence considering he knew about Piccolo as well as the fact that originally they were the Red Ribbon Armys primary goal.

[@jeremygott7709]

I don’t think Shenron could just turn him into Perfect Cell, otherwise he should have been able to kill Nappa and Vegeta, before they came to Earth, but he should be able to revive the Androids.

[@NitakuDragonsoul]

@@jeremygott7709 you bring up a good point he could wish back 17 and 18 so he could absorb them

[@mr.patriotjol]

Another great video as always. I do wish we got for content from the anime on the unseen timeline. But given that the alternative timelines give headaches as it is, the unseen timeline is best to No see lol

[@en8led]

I like your funny words, magic men

[@QaamansLand]

What was funny?

[@en8led]

Just confused

[@en8led]

Nothing wrong with your content

[@dellosayshello5405]

0:25 I just watch that 8 months ago

[@chatur630]

Call from the original time line is the same cell, the same one that killed trucks in another time line

[@Valientlink]

I like to imagine a timeline where Krillin accidentally presses the button while breaking the remote and de-activates 18 lol

[@AxelWedstar411]

Is anyone else struggling not to hear Bob Belcher?

[@VestedUTuber]

We actually do know the state of the unseen timeline, if you extrapolate from what we see in the main timeline. 1. In the unseen timeline, the next major event after the androids is the Buu saga, because Cell doesn't happen. Thing is, everyone's a lot weaker at that point, so while Babidi likely still attacks the planet, he just can't get enough energy to awaken Majin Buu. Dabura is still a significant threat here but without Buu, Babidi doesn't really have a reason to stick around. 2. Next up is technically Tarble's visit, if you count that. Abo and Cado are still easily dispatched, but either Goku or Vegeta does it as Goten and Kid Trunks don't have the training. 3. Now we get to the big problem point for the unseen timeline. Beerus. Goku might still be able to do the Super Saiyan God ritual, but he wouldn't have had quite the same power base to work with in that form. That being said, without Buu, Beerus doesn't get pissed off by not being able to have any pudding, so maybe Earth survives this? I don't think Beerus and Whis would be convinced to train Goku and Vegeta in this timeline, though. 4. Resurrection F time, and yeah... if Earth isn't destroyed by Beerus, it's destroyed by Frieza. Without SSJB, Goku and Vegeta have no hope in beating Frieza. Goku might be able to stall Frieza out until the form wears out, but then Frieza would just destroy the planet, and without being on speaking terms with Whis, there's no way to revert the damage. 5. No Earth means no Universal Tournament. 6. No Goku means Zamasu isn't quite pushed over the edge. 7. No Universal Tournament means No Tournament of Power, and no Tournament of Power means that all but four universes are erased. Or it means there's no erasure at all, depends on if Future Zeno was a catalyst for that idea. 8. Regardless if Universe 7 still exists, Earth won't, so cell doesn't get a chance to show up. This isn't even random, really. A lot of the events of DBZ and DBS happened due to things outside of the butterfly effect. Cell not showing up isn't going to cause Beerus to not wake up, since he was on a timer he set long before the events of the Cell saga.

[@thedude9941]

Something I never understood is why does Trunks from the unseen timeline, need to go back in time to tell everyone that he beat the androids? It's just strange because this Trunks, never met the others from the past so it makes no sense why he has that motivation. Dragon Ball time travel is so confusing, and makes very little sense.

[@Supreme-AMVs]

Have you seen spellcommander’s 25 timelines video?

[@QaamansLand]

Huh?

[@Supreme-AMVs]

Yeah he proved that dragon ball actually has 25 time lines, and not what toriyama said which was 6 by the time the goku black arc ended, he used the rules and lore that the series itself established to be how time travel works, and with it showed that because of what had happened there, then that should mean that there are 25 timelines, it’s a very cool video that I’ve seen many times, I recommend you see it too because of how informative it was. @@QaamansLand

[@brandonyellowrobe4475]

Qaaman you're the goat!

[@drchrisp366]

Plot hole 1: assuming that future trunks has a way to communicate with alternate timelines, which are in essence alternate dimensions. Plot hole 2: SSJ 1 Gohan was enough power to charge Buu halfway; assuming that Bobidi would not find out the evil in Vegetas heart and still find a way to pit Goku vs Vegeta, which Vegeta could have been stronger since he was demoralized for a while by Gohan defeating Cell and Goku dying.

[@businessk3014]

Trunks managed to beat Dabura and babidi by randomly going ssj2 so more than likely one of them would do the same.

[@easttorontotv6310]

If you think about it android 16 is only randomly activated because of future cell who becomes perfect travels back to the past.. him killing future trunks who travelled first.. actually made little changes so by the time the 2nd future trunks travels back again he gets to understand why shit is different

[@ChasingABagDrew]

This made my head hurt😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@jeremygott7709]

Maybe I missed something, but what would prevent Goku from succumbing to the heart virus in the unseen timeline?

[@redechogames]

It'd be similar to the main timeline in which Trunks came form the future to warn of the looming threats and give the heart medication. The major difference is that in the hidden timeline, Cell didn't come from the future to sidetrack the story to be more about him, lol.

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

Take a shot every time he says timeline

[@MicroSpecGamer]

Imagine cell black orange beast. The 3 forms which require no god ki. With 10 years of training, he'd be too powerful to the point that goku, piccolo, gohan, vegeta and brolly would have to do a four way fusion just to fight him.... I can imagine them using the giant dragon balls to stabilize and have that fusion indefinitely.

[@genostellar]

The unseen timeline and the main timeline are parallel. It splits not only because Cell shows up in the main timeline, but also because in the unseen timeline, they defeat the androids and Trunks then goes back to his timeline to kill them and is about to go back to the unseen timeline to tell everyone, until Cell shows up and kills him, then travels back and creates the main timeline. It stands to reason that, in the unseen timeline, they trained and killed the androids, and thus android 16 is a part of it, because it would have happened exactly the same way, minus Cell. Whether or not Krillin gets with 18 is up for debate, but I can see it definitely ending with Goku vs 16. For what ever reason, 16 wasn't around in Trunks' timeline, probably wasn't activated due to events playing out differently, so it's up in the air whether or not Trunks shuts him down, or if he even is still functional. The unseen timeline definitely would have a version of Cell for them to deal with, but just like in the HOT timeline, he'd be easily delt with.

[@brandonscott5544]

GREAT 👌 QAAMAN CELL NEVER DIE EVER VIDEO.

[@bluetheshow7295]

I think original trunks would have killed unseen cell because i don't think he would have let anything live in gero's lab

[@matthewdancz9152]

Pretty sure that only 3 timelines were necessary for the events of the cell saga. The original timeline, which I will call the Zero Saiyan timeline, where Trunks goes back and forth in time, and is killed by Cell. Future Trunk's timeline, where he kills cell after returning from the events in the past. The final timeline is the one we see, which takes place after cell has returned from the zero saiyan timeline. The Zero Saiyan timeline is created when Dr Gero's lab is destroyed by the Androids, but the computer under his Laboratory remains intact, and finishes creating Cell in secret. Cell is only able to make it to the visible timeline, because Trunks of the Zero Saiyan timeline prepares the time machine to investigate the temporal anomaly, thus creating the perfect conditions for the anomaly to occur as cell travels to the visible timeline. However there could be more timelines, three is just the bare minimum number reasonably necessary to have the events of the Cell saga make sense, but time travel never makes sense though.

[@jdp3578]

Yeah unseen timeline remains the same until when your supposed to meet cell, except there is no cell. Krillin and trunks go to gero's lab to find a weakness to the androids. Now we see in the main timeline that they find plans for #17 almost right in front of cells pod, so it stands to reason that they still would search for a secret room or floor even if they didn't meet cell. So I doubt they would just leave an experiment alone. Also this would freak trunks out discovering something else could be lurking in his timeline. So trunks would go to the bulma of the unseen timeline, get her to make a shutdown device, then he would take it to his time, defeat the androids, and search for the to him unnamed experiment cell. Cell kills this trunks, goes back in time, and alters the already altered timeline to become the main timeline we know. This scenario potentially leaves the unseen timeline without a working shutdown device, but presumably vegeta is training in the R.O.S.T. , and can come out and one-shot the androids. And with no cell to worry about, everything's good plus kami is still around.......

[@dillanschmidt7459]

This is another Cell question/topic that doesn't really relate to this one, but I always had one question about the Cell we saw in the anime. Was it Cell's intention to absorb the androids ASAP or did he plan on drinking the local population dry first? I ask because Piccolo was stronger than Cell I'm their first encounter until Cell got the jump on him, and even then, he feared for his life once he saw Piccolo could regenerate his arm. That same Piccolo got his butt handed to him by the Androids and could match 17 blow for blow once he had fuzed with Kami. To put it short, Cell would've been splattered across the landscape if he wanted to find the Androids immediately. He might've been spared by the Androids if they didn't take him as a threat seriously, since our timeliness Androids don't seem malicious. The Androids, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Trunks all could've dealt with Cell if they simply had a radio turned on and listened to some cities being reportedly destroyed. Cell is obviously cunning, but i couldn't imagine him draining more than a few buildings before word spread and chaos ensued. I'm not saying it's impossible, but Cell is very lucky that he got as far as he did in the timeline we're following.

[@blackzero786]

Wasn't that after Picollo had fused with Kami? Meaning he was stronger than the Picollo that Cell's base structure had.

[@dillanschmidt7459]

@@blackzero786 You're right. I'm misremembering the order of events. I thought Piccolo fusing with Kami was closer to mid point of the saga where they were running out of options. My thought process was Unfused Piccolo spanked 'Imperfect Cell' in their first encounter and Cell surpassing Fused Piccolo was to further emphasize how much stronger Cell has really gotten.

[@cosmicslushynetwork]

Another odd bit, why didn't Trunks know about 16. In his time, Goku died. Since 16 would have noticed that Goku wasn't around, he wouldn't have gone around with 17 and 18. There is probably a hermit style 16 living in the woods communing with animals, similar to how 17 went of to save animals once he quit fighting.

[@PaulPolizzo-px5fz]

If you actually think about it the goku from the namek/freiza saga is a different version from the android saga… so basically the entire cast we had been following up till trunks showed up are dead from the androids and heart virus

[@QaamansLand]

What do you mean? Goku is the exact same up until Trunks not arriving after the Namek Arc.

[@toonami1338]

Hey Qaaman, if Trunks used the time machine to travel from age 768 to age 775 after Gohan beat Cell, would he still be in the main timeline? Would it be a branch timeline of the main timeline from that point?

[@QaamansLand]

Which Trunks?

[@toonami1338]

Future Trunks, from the HoT timeline@@QaamansLand

[@spaceycaveco.698]

Your in-depth Cell/Trunk Alternate Timelines video from several years ago is one of my favorite YT videos, so to see this topic of the Missing Cell brought back up is awesome!

[@usernamemrpollo]

That cell was killed in the future timeline in the ending of dragon ball z cell there’s a scene when trunks is back in the future and cell runs into him and they both face off and trunks killed cell

[@Danosauruscrecks]

Shot every time he says timeline

[@thejiggler7780]

I do think that the existence of the unseen timeline is cool, but are you sure trunks must have used a shutdown device? it is possible for cell in imperfect form to completely overpower the androids just by absorbing human food, so it doesn't seem necessary for trunks to have a device to just clear the power gap between him and the androids without surpassing imperfect cell who has been feeding.

[@QaamansLand]

I explained everything more in depth on other videos. This video is not about time travel so I didn't go too deep

[@AntiOTRS]

I remember you did a video like this.

[@xpkresxlost2264]

In this unseen timeline its most likely 17 & 18 were defeated somehow. I still think Gohan trained with Piccolo & Goku for the 3 years as he did in the main timeline. Now going off the time skip. Gohan obviously wouldn’t have ssj2, but I do think he’d eventually learn ssj. As for Goku & Vegeta, they would most definitely have learned ssj2 in the amount of time that passed. I think the only difference here would be Dabura, he’d pose as the perfect cell giving them a bit of trouble, but ultimately defeating him. Imperfect cell would of course be killed to when he hatches. As for buu, that’s a completely different story. Depending on the fight with Dabura I think determines if babidi would even get enough energy for buu to hatch. Not to mention what the supreme Kai’s would do. I honestly believe Goku & Vegeta would listen to supreme Kai & not let buu hatch. Since Vegeta would more than likely be his Dragon Ball Super character earlier in the series & not look to fight Goku because they’d have plenty of time to fight in the time skips.

[@BasementDweller_]

Time travel.

[@QaamansLand]

Huh?

[@megamanbrandon]

Imperfect cell has to feed on humans to survive. He'd have starved to death if the droids don't exist. He can survive in a vacuum..but not starving to death. In the dajizu or whatever....It says he has to.

[@xcmet]

7:13 I seriously doubt this, since the 7 year peace saga of Z confirmed that Goku would have kept up his training, which would have transcended him to ssj 2 and ssj3. Although he was dead in the afterlife, he was able to keep his mortal body. If Goku never died in the unseen timeline, he would continued his training as he did when in other world and would have reached ssj2 and SSJ3. He would have been plenty strong enough to defeat majin buu. Also, the events with the supreme kai would have likely played out the same, except no fusions. Gohan would have gotten his potential unlocked and buu would be dead. Also, with Goku being alive, beerus would have shown up as well, playing out the same way as battle of gods. Once Cell leaves his pod from the lab, he's pratically be childs play for the z team. Essentially, nearly every event in the unseen timeline would have matched the same plot of the buu story, battle of gods saga, and tournament of power. Except no future zamasu story would exist since the original future trunks is dead.

[@Jay-i8d9o]

Bro I’ve been wondering this for 20 years 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jay-i8d9o]

Also could anybody tell me how turles ended up with the seed of the tree of might if he didn’t know about the dragon balls

[@fartzhapy4165]

Cell gotta come back just you watch

[@joshstreet6819]

What I never got was Future Trunks knows about King Kia why did Trunks or any of the Dead Z fighters as King Kia to ask the Namekians to wish everyone killed by the androids and Cell back to life (we can assume the Namekians did what the main timeline ones did make it so their set of dragon balls could wish back more then one at a time).

[@evilartnboy]

Tldr: the unseen timeline is what we would have gotten if cell never shown up like the show we saw

[@QaamansLand]

Sort of.

[@metal42]

Late but Daizenshuu 7 says that the cell games occurs in age 767 in the unseen timeline, and Trunks is absent. But this makes no sense because...where did that Cell come from?? It can't obviously be the fetus cell...

[@QaamansLand]

I can't answer this in a comment

[@fuseteam]

what if trunks found out how to deactivate the androids in the future and was planning to return to the past to deactivate them, before cell killed him

[@night_wolf360]

Well, you said the word "Timeline," many times, so we can't argue with that logic.

[@CJ-111]

We all know that Krillin took care of 18 in the other timelines

[@1650ti]

in this timeline: age 767 The Z fighters shut down the androids but celly welly is still down there. 767- PRE Buu Saga Goku Gohan And Vegeta Ends up ascending Super Saiyan and getting ssj2 I doubt For Goku to get SSJ3, he hasnt been dead for 7 years. No Majin Vegeta Because vegeta HAD LOTS OF TIME to fight with Goku (goten would still be born),, they would defeat Babidi and his crew, resulting in Buu Not Awakening I see An opportunity for Gohan to train with the Kais because, idk, he was slacking off too much,, ends up breaking thehe sword,, and Elder Kai would be released.. Gohan gets his potential unlocked. Beerus Arc Goku probably would be training on King Kai until Beerus shows up. I guess Goku gets defeated way faster than Beerus goes to earth like normal. Goku summons Shenron, then does the SUPER SAIYAN GOD ritual. It fails, but I think Gohan will still meet Videl anyway. Goku ends up fighting Beerus; it would go the same way. That's the end of this arc. Everything normal up to Black Goku Arc It never happens, I guess. Zamasu gets pissed, but he doesn't steal Goku's body and goes on a killing spree. T.O.P. Happens the Same; lets just skip to ages 784-786. (summary) Cell awakens He is very powerful (1.15x weaker than full power beerus) andd can easily overhelm tUi goku alone,, but Ultra Ego, Vegeta Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, and Super Saiyan Broly gang bang him overhelming him, then they shoot a combined ki wave to end Celly (he gets his booty cheeks clapped for the sake of the plot). My powerscaling is bad.

[@Dante...]

Hey Qaaman have you ever seen Plague Of Gripes video on the many timelines in Dragon Ball? It's essentially a more complicated version of your old timeline video. It also includes the Goku Black Arc. I think by the end of it he concluded that there should be at least 12 timelines in Dragon Ball now. The video was taken down for copyright but you can easily find a reupload of it. I think it's worth a watch.

[@QaamansLand]

No but if you find it let me know. I have spoken to him a few times.

[@Dante...]

@@QaamansLand Just type in Plague of Gripes timeline video on KZbin and it should be the first result.

[@GrubKiller436]

I swear DB Super adding another Trunks that is almost identical is soooo stupid. Also if he does that, he's not supposed to be able to go back to Goku's timeline anymore.

[@TailsClock]

This was very confusing until I realised it was just a what-if scenario. And not relevant to the actual canon, as there are only 3 timelines (ignoring Super). You talked the entire time as if it was part of the canon and it really left me unsure what you were talking about until the end of the video. The way time works means there's no need for a 4th.

[@servedbot7377]

How strong was imperfect cell if he managed to defeat trunks In his timeline before weakening himself to travel for the androids?

[@Rodrigo_B_Viana]

Those Cell Jrs with 17?

[@QaamansLand]

No...

[@craigime]

there are at least 12 timelines in dragon ball

[@nathanstruble2177]

Wait, is it not canon that original timeline 17 & 18 were hit by Truck-Kun and (presumably) isekai'd??

[@its_hokori]

Kami only fused with piccolo because he sensed cell

[@Giggles_iJest]

"Hot" timeline, like he is 🫦

[@Shuua3AM]

This was way to confusing unfortunately.

[@cskelly3783]

It’s because it’s really hard to explain. All timelines need to be understood to know what the UNSEEN timeline actually is. Basically there are 4 timelines IN DBZ (Not super). In order to explain them I will discuss each one as they are created… starting with the ORGINAL TIMELINE. The ORGINAL timeline, is the one with the least amount of time interference. It is the one where time travel is ultimately conceived from. Okay, here we go. In this timeline, goku gets the heart virus… soon androids 17 and 18 arrive and kill all z fighters…Leaving only Trunks and Bulma… Bulma creates the Time Machine and heart virus medicine. Trunks goes back in time with the Time Machine and medicine. Gives goku medicine, finds blueprints for androids and creates shut down device. Androids are shut down in the past… a new timeline is created by doing this. Trunks goes back into his future and uses the shut down device once again on his androids. But… later on Imperfect cell appears. He kills trunks… and since there are no androids, Cell steals the Time Machine and goes back in time to find more androids. Another new timeline is created. Trunks has already traveled into the past once before cell ever did. Shortly after imperfect cell travels here… Trunks arrives once again to give Goku medicine. BUT NOW, THIS ^^ trunks arrives in the past where a full grown imperfect cell now exists. Because Cell exists much earlier, trunks decides NOT go back into the future and NOT kill androids with shut down device. He only goes back until much later, AFTER BOTH Cell and Androids and killed. So, eventually he goes back into the future now… This time, he is far stronger than HIS androids and HIS imperfect cell, he kills both with his bare hands. This is the final “HOT” timeline. A timeline where all z fighters die BUT trunks can kill HIS own imperfect cell. End. By this point there are 4 timelines. This video is covering the timeline where cell doesn’t exist AS TRUNKS ARRIVES… but later on is formed in gero’s lab. What happened here? This is the UNSEEN Timeline.

[@pt5728]

Wasn’t cell the reason kami and piccolo fused back together? Couldn’t kami sense something bad happening because of cell? So without cell there’s a good chance they don’t fuse

[@QaamansLand]

After getting trashed by the Androids it's still possible it could happen. That's why I have the possibility.

[@pt5728]

@@QaamansLand fair enough that’s true

[@pt5728]

Wouldn’t cell have new DNA available? Dabura and babidi I wonder how that would effect cell, he’d definitely be stronger

[@jasonenglish3713]

What would happen if krillin press the button

[@QaamansLand]

Did this topic years ago

[@EndoScorpion]

He'd miss out of the finest piece of A in the whole DB multiverse!

[@JayJay-de5jv]

Makes no sense the cell that developed is the cell that enters our main timeline would be better if u showed a diagram of the specific timeline your talking about and I swear there is only 4 where cell dies in each one someone correct me

[@QuietVillain]

The real wuestion what is cells intelligence if hes flgiven time to figure out his situation. What would cell do if he couldnt absorb the androids. And no time travel. He doesnt have to stay on earth. But what would he do is a good question

[@ye87]

But wouldn’t he have the scaling of whatever time he came out remember gero built androids capable of slamming 2 ssj with the knowledge collected by those lil flies so everything going on with earth he would see and his body would be modified for it so that’s the majin saga and prolly post TOP because cell hatched when trunks was like 16 so he would have all the data of goku vegeta gohan piccolo beerus golden frieza broly and Moro if that timeline is similar

[@QaamansLand]

His power would still be weak

[@ye87]

@@QaamansLand yea but imagine this I know the creator won’t do this but what if he comes back the one from that time line where he observed all that power on earth and then comes to the main

[@QaamansLand]

Why are you being so strict?

[@EverlostXP]

Bro there’s a timeline Goku died on planet Vegeta

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

The CELL That NEVER DIED In Dragon Ball Z

[@texben123]

And there are other Timelines, like Dragon Ball GT, dragon ball Xeno verse and Dragon Ball heroes and all the spinoff games. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@ImTheStrongest]

1) They ascended because Vegeta lost and survived. Thus, realizing that there is another level of Super Saiyan. So Vegeta either didn't fight the Androids or he didn't lose. Which also, indicates that Piccolo either didn't fight the Androids or he didn't lose. So, therefore, Piccolo didn't merge with Kami because there was no need for it. 2) Babidi came after the annihilation of the Androids in both time lines. Which means Babidi won't show up until after Cell wakes up. 3) Cell wakes up 20 years later. Which means Goku and friends has 20 years to level up. 4) We already seen how powerful Cell is when he wakes up. So we know how powerful he is when he wakes up. So the Cell that never died is going to be running around like a little chicken for the rest of his life. It's been 20 years. Goku and Vegeta isn't like Gohan. Even if they never ascend, they are still going to level up their base drastically. In 20 years, Cell is nothing to them, even in their base forms. Now, if Cell realizes his Frieza cell and trains, then he becomes a threat. But I doubt he would realize that. His plans are going to be running around and absorbing bio energy. But when that is not enough, he'll get desperate and try one of Goku's friends, only to get his ass whooped and probably killed. Remember, it's been 20 years. 18 isn't there so Krillin probably still trains. Everyone still trains. Then when Babidi shows up. they get wrecked. It's more than 20 years, not 7 years. Probably 27 years. Remember, it was 7 years after Cell's death before Babidi showed up. And in the Future Time Line, it was 10 years after Cell's death before Future Babidi showed up. So in the unseen time line, it takes 20 years for Cell to wake up after 17 and 18 are defeated. Because it takes 20 years for Cell to develop and wake up. Then it takes another 7-10 years after Cell's death for Babidi to show up. By then, they are too strong for these guys, even if they only have Super Saiyan.

[@alexanderbabski3241]

Makes me think that everyone gets stronger the more timeline exist.

[@LuBuZu89]

What in the actual fuck?!?

[@QaamansLand]

Huh?

[@soythenesmaster]

I didn't understand anything

[@QaamansLand]

I tried...

[@jamesr6959]

With Cell taking ~20 years to mature naturally, wouldn’t the fight with Buu and Cell happen out of order in the unseen timeline?

[@QaamansLand]

No. Why?

[@jamesr6959]

@@QaamansLand ‘cause a naturally lab-grown Cell would emerge about the time Trunks is an adult. Buu in the main timeline comes at a time when Trunks is a kid. We assume Buu’s resurrection was delayed in the future timelines cause of the lack of strong warriors. If everyone is alive Goku included (no Cell), and with defeated androids; then we could have a scenario where we end up with a timeline that has our (very underprepared) dudes fight Buu before Cell. No Metamoran fusion or SS3 either, I suppose.

[@redechogames]

I think they'd still be fairly prepared. With Goku still being alive, he and Vegeta would still train far enough to learn of and hone Super Saiyin 2. Vegeta would still have Goku as a proper rival to push him. As far as Babidi and his crew goes, the only real threat at that point would be Dabura, which imo, Goku or Vegeta would be able to handle. I doubt in this case that Vegeta would succumb to Babidi's Majin boost because he probably wouldn't see as big of a gap [if any at all] between his and Goku's power. I doubt Majin Buu actually resurrects in this timeline, but I suppose anything is possible.

[@jamesr6959]

@@redechogames definitely possible for it to work itself out without much of a change, but I’m curious to see the effects of: A) No Cell - without Cell there’s no need to master/ascend Super Saiyan, so would they push it that far? Goku had 3 years to ascend Super Saiyan for the Androids but didn’t try until it became necessary. Would Gohan even achieve Super Saiyan? B) Goku being alive during the time between Cell and Buu, which is now more like 20 years rather than 7. Fusion not learned. C) if the Cell games don’t happen, then our characters might not meet Mr Satan until Gohan meets Videl, and there’s a slim chance that may not happen either. We also won’t have No.17, No.18, nor Marron but I don’t think that changes too much. Do we have No.16 in this timeline? With Dabra being pretty much equal to Cell that could spur the need to ascend beyond Super Saiyan - but then we have no SS3, nor Fusion. Considering this is the least altered timeline of all altered timelines, it’s funny how it may end up being the most different to what we know. I really should make this video before somebody else haha.

[@unspeakableflame420]

2:35 can you tell me what episode was this filler

[@dsidestroyer]

Ghosts of tomorrow

[@unspeakableflame420]

@@dsidestroyer thx

[@MrHathaway1337]

Is there a time line where weebs go touch grass.

[@stewpidasso3910]

First form cell was the best but toryiama likes dorky MegaMan looking characters

[@EndoScorpion]

Imperfect Cell looking far more bug-like and the way he hunted down and kiled so many people..... that was a scary, threatening villain. Semi-Prefect Cell was almost as whiney as Vegeta. Almost. Nobody tops Vegeta whinge! Perfect Cell just felt too upperclass snobby. And making the Cell Games just killed all stakes and threats. Because it just became a game at that point.

[@Prime92]

​@@EndoScorpion if it was a game he'd be having fun. Or killing Goku. Now that sounds like a good time.😮

[@Mektek19]

The Cell saga was a horrible mess.

[@robertsmiley2207]

This is why I hate time travel 🧳 being included it's beyond confusing that's 😕 why I stopped watching the flash

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

There's only 3 Cells and you took the explanation for the 1st cell and somehow think it means 4 time lines 😂

[@padraig-bobotia-maria5176]

4 - the one who stole the time machine, the one trunks killed, the one they destroyed in the lab and the one from the timeline the dead trunks went to.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 what are you talking about? Are you saying the Trunks we know that went back to the future made a 4th cell? That makes absolutely no sense. There was only 3 cells

[@padraig-bobotia-maria5176]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru no there was 4, the trunks that cell killed in the future never found out about cell being in geros lab.