The Cheapest Way To Buy S-Works Performance

[@scottaw]

I picked up that exact frame last month! Finishing my bike build up today, had to wait for some components to come in. A word of caution, if you apply any frame protector tape, be very careful if you reposition or remove it. The top layer of black matte finish will peel off!!! I had a section on my seat stay where I repositioned the tape and it peeled up. The worst part is Specialized will not warranty this paint defect. So be very careful in that regard.

[@Perception_]

And they demand one of the highest premiums in the market... Well I'll be damned. Bad paint + crappy service, that's a no no especially since you're paying premium.

[@scottaw]

@@Perception_ Don’t forget they also just started offering direct to consumer sales, which screws over the local bike shops. Not sure why you’d buy direct, since the dealer puts the bike together for you, usually offers a period of free tune ups, and they also can negotiate on price. I love the brand, but question some of these recent issues.

[@Perception_]

@@scottaw I like to have both especially because I want to fix my own stuff in life and push the prices down to more reasonable prices. I'm actually looking to purchase a Propain Hugene which is a bike + brand that is only available as direct to consumer. The sad thing I see time and time again with any local shop of consumer goods and services is so many still believe running a shop is simply to put some merchandise on some shelves and hangers, and then all you do is open the door and blam, done. So many local business fail hard especially in this day and age because they just blame the consumer and internet. Well, if you are unwilling to change and be responsible for your own actions, then you are the problem. The consumer is not running that business, and if you do not take customer service seriously you will fail. You can say what ever you feel like, but none of that will help. You're not going to laugh when the bank is shutting you down... I live at a place with a lot of lazy people, and bicycles is simply not something most people will even look twice at. There is a Specialized dealer here, and most people here also are people who would never ever consider paying as much as that brand is demanding for their products, and still that bike shop as well are somehow believing they are gods gift to man. I've tried time and time again to put some change into that shop, but they have just become more and more vain and are just becoming more and more rude because i'm not throwing thousands of $ on the table everytime I am there. Well, I am a year round bicyclist and I like to fix my own stuff. I would never put all my money on that table, because I have a budget to think of just as they do in their own private lives. I've stopped using them all together now, because I couldn't care less about people who only care about money. I have no clue how they even manage to run that business through the pandemic as well because I've never seen more than two other customers inside that shop when I've been there, and I've lived at this place for 9 years now. Anyhow, I know this is only one shop in this world, but I see this trend with a lot of other shops as well. Blaming their failures on the customer. You just cannot do that, because of all the successful business in this world they have gotten to where they are today because they take customer service very seriously because it's important.

[@travispeng5267]

Did you use a heat gun when removing the frame protector? That might help when removing the frame protector as it loosens the bond between the frame protector and frame.

[@markdoyle6414]

I bought a complete comp bike and it was pretty great out of the box. I did however find I was going through the rear travel pretty quickly so replaced the volume spacer in the rear shock to the max size and the suspension has become more supportive and I go through it more progressively. This was an easy job also. I also extend the travel on the fork to 150mm. These changes have made the bike feel even better. A great bike.

[@MaQuGo119]

I love so much that tamarindo water color

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

It looks amazing!

[@flashfive23]

Me too my friend, me too!

[@aMoneyYell]

Bruh that color is SLEEEEAZY!! I LOVE IT!

[@YoFonzy.]

Nice review, I seen another review a while back by Yo Fonzy on the sworks and those are some sweet and capable frames. Good stuff!

[@TC-hl1ws]

11M is not Specialized highest level of carbon, that would be FACT 12M which is what the S-Works lineup is constructed from. For some reason 12M doesn't exist with the Specialzed trail - downhill series. 12M is slightly lighter. Love your videos.

[@kentao4]

Accurate but they are not using 12m on the stumpys including sworks

[@jim6335]

For the stumperjumper, it looks like it all carbon frames come FACT 11M.

[@TheAllEngineering]

@@jim6335 12m is the upgrade they left out for a later model release, a simple and cheap change in terms of manufacture that will have the fanboys lining up because they just have to have the latest and greatest !!!

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Kinda. 12m is only available on epic. It's the mountain version of their 12r road carbon. Stumpjumper and more aggressive all use 11m on S-Works.

[@JoshTaylor]

Built mine up a few months ago. Really love this frame but already have some nicks in the matte coating, which is a bummer. Matte wraps I've seen somehow increase gloss and make it appear more orange, unfortunately.

[@trailpimp6369]

Man that is a really nice frame. I like the flex stays too. I bet that thing is sporty.

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Zoom!

[@leereinhardt6885]

Great review! Thanks! Such a beauty looking frame! Would be excited to see it built up. Just noticed that the S-Works frame is a size S3 whereas the frame reviewed was S4 which would possibly count for the difference in weight Might not be as much of a difference in the end… Cheers!

[@david029014]

Price?

[@IIISentorIII]

The number exists somewhere in PI

[@jhonvasquezcacho1032]

really nice but thats frame is not a sworks, is like tune a bmw and say that is a M Performances series it can be the same amount of hp but that dont make it a Msiries

[@joulyonmartin2142]

It is the exact same frame as S-WORKS minus the carbon linkage. S-WORKS bikes are so over hyped.

[@jasonstella74]

Great Video. FSR suspension is way too soft across the board for me riding style. Definitely way to linear. Hopefully the deletion of the pivot it will be more progressive. I weighs 160 pounds I have run 280 on the rear shock. If I don’t got 280 psi I blow through it’s travel on easy trails. Specialized make great products but my bike is getting sold..

[@carbonfreak6490]

Actually the cheapest you can get this frame is a Chinese replica of the frame. It is identical in every way but it doesn't have the frame storage...But the geometry is the same. And you can get that for 900$ plus shipping. You even get a 3 year warranty on it (depends on the seller, some give 2 years, some 3), that's how certain they are that they made a quality carbon enduro frame. If you wan't new stumpy feel and don't need the storage space in the frame, why not! You will have that "specialized" riding experience for 1/4 of a price (depends on the parts you choose)

[@shadyss96]

I picked up a 21 stumpjumper expert with the new flex stay. Great bike, but I wish it climbed a little better.

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Hmm interesting. What are you coming off of? Compared to most FS designs this is a pretty capable climber.

[@mikebarger3563]

I believe just the clevis is carbon on the S-Works model...

[@jim6335]

yeap.

[@Jacob99174]

That is correct, not much weight savings

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

You are correct. My mistake

[@dhongbyaherotv6306]

woww nice frame love it but cant afford to buy that😭😭❤️

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

One day.

[@harzenduro]

So you do get a "comp" frame alone? I tried to buy a KSL frame but there they only offer the S-Works version as a frame only so I bought a complete bike and sold all the parts I didn't need. Have you actually ridden the bike to say all those good things about it? It sounds like an add made by Specialized.

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

It's not technically a "comp" frame its just a Stumpjumper Carbon frame. Specialized is using the same front & rear triangle on ALL Stumpjumper carbon bikes. The difference is that the S-Works comes with an alternative Yoke. Regarding how it rides, I owned a 2021 S-Works Stumpjumper with plenty of videos of it on the channel, so yes I am familiar with how it rides.

[@lawrencefranck9417]

No FSR that rear is going to break..

[@mac001texas]

yea if you weigh 400 lbs

[@BettyMasterPain]

That storage is huge!! Is that safe?

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Yeah, why wouldn't it be. Part of the beauty of carbon frames can be designed around things like that.

[@blakekuhlmann2143]

i got the 2019 stumpie expert which came with the fact 11m frame just like the sworks, also the roval traverse carbon wheels. ive spent tons of money upgrading it to near perfection... unfortunatley the suspension kenimatics (in the 2019 at least) are aweful, you blow through tons of travel when you dont need to. i call it the bimbo cause its such a beautiful bike but has really dumb workings.

[@peterago1082]

Hi i ordered mine from cyclesport should be here tuesday, question what are those whit straw things sticking out of the bike

[@denesk2794]

I think those are there to help with feeding the derailleur cable and the read brake hose into the frame. You tape the cable/hose to it and pull it through. Probably the exit on the rear is sketchy to aim at.

[@peterago1082]

@@denesk2794 Hi thanks for that information

[@aaronbehindbars]

New bike build coming up or just a loaner frame for review?

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Just a video. You can check out the bike build of my Green 2021 S-Works Stumpjumper on the channel though!

[@becksteadmtb]

The frame is the exact same thing. That 100 grams comes from the carbon linkage.

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Yes that's the point of this video...

[@greg.c_mtb]

I always have a little giggle when they save weight..save weight…. Save weight…… and then give you a giant cavity in the frame to fill with stuff!!! Kinda silly really… anyway, love the videos, keep up the good work.

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

You know that stuff you would be bringing anyways, but instead of having to carry it on your body you can now put it into the frame of the bike. Makes a heck of a lot of sense to me

[@gheatai]

Totally agree with you James. I got the current model specialized enduro and i love how handy the swat box is and also that sway tool

[@axiomic]

It's more important that the new frame design is saving on unsuspended weight. But I do think it's better to carry weight in a pack than on the bike. The SWAT is a nice option to have though.

[@TheMiguelosky]

the good way to spend less money to have a same bike ..is not buy a Specialized. Go on... Canyon / Cube / Orbea/ BH/ Rocky Mountain/ Mondraker/Lapierre....

[@beamracer9408]

haha true i own a canyon stoic and i love it. my friend got a bulls sharptail that cost 100 euro less than my canyon. The sharpail has a 3X drivetrain and a low end coil fork for almost the same price. (and worse geometry rims tires brake rotors etc).

[@joulyonmartin2142]

I work at a Specialized dealer, I can get EP on one and chose to buy a Nukeproof Mega Factory instead. Mega $5500 Fox factory suspension, XT drivetrain, DT-Swiss EX1700 wheels, XT brakes, add Renthal stem and bar. you are less than half the price of an S-WORKS for the same performance if not better for actual racing. LOL

[@TheMiguelosky]

@@joulyonmartin2142 exactly... Megawatt Factory 7000 pounds or The Mega Factory 5399 P ...do you want XTR 600 pounds more but you stay under 6000...

[@MultiTerrainBike]

the frame only costs as much as full bike of Polygon siskiu T7 🤔

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

And a Ferrari engine costs as much as a whole Kia... Nice things cost a few bucks.

[@toastereater]

yo dawg, the only thing that frame storage gonna be storing is tears and dirt, guaranteed

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Lol you realize dirt gets into literally every regardless of frame storage or not...

[@b_liv_u59]

S4 over S3?

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Depends on your height and rider style. By the right size for yourself. It's not that one size is better than another, but rather proper fit for the individual

[@Yeah_eatsht]

Rear carbon .. yeah I see a lot of claims in the future...

[@parkinkevin]

I also see they have only 2 ISCG5 tabs. So you cant fit a bash guard. Disappointing! Rules this frame out for me. Also disappointing that this is never mentioned in reviews 😒

[@scottaw]

I use Wolftooth CAMO bashguards, works better than a stationary bumper going up and over logs, for example.

[@parkinkevin]

@@Jamesthebikeguy But surely the two at the bottom are necessary to make it solid? They have one at the bottom and one at the top

[@YoFonzy.]

Actually was mentioned in the Sworks stumpjumper video from Yo Fonzy!

[@parkinkevin]

@@YoFonzy. That is your channel right? 🤣🤣🤣 I liked and subscribed anyway 👍Good video

[@mpvabi95]

And all that made by Merida ✌️

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

This bike is made in Taiwan.

[@mpvabi95]

@@Jamesthebikeguy really? 😂 Merida is one of the biggest manufacturers in Taiwan and is the OEM frame producer for Specialized 😉

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Before you edited your comment, it said America. Not the brand. Yes Merida is a major OEM manufacturer and actually at one point in time owned a portion of specialized.

[@mpvabi95]

@@Jamesthebikeguy i edited nothing 😂 what you can read were my words that i posted and nothing has changed since i posted 😂 I think you get something wrong here yo don't blame me for your failure ✌️

[@canadianoversee-r5937]

I would liove to break it! Lol

[@ignaciosevil2157]

sworks performance lol thats a joke. Spezilized is cheap carbon, ive broken 4 spez bikes in half. Just do yourself a favor and buy any other brand .

[@ignaciosevil2157]

This might not affect you if this is the first time you are going mountain biking. But if you have any experience what so ever, seriuslly get as far as possible from this brand ... SPEACIALLY their ebikes. cant stress this enough. I wasted 7k and a whole year waiting for these fools to solve warranty issues.

[@r3volt97]

Don't bother with this non sense . Google up airwolf dirt jumper evo , big surprise there

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Oh take your eBay rip off bike somewhere else. Don't be encouraging somebody to get themselves hurt

[@r3volt97]

@@Jamesthebikeguy not true , everything made in Taiwan so why put money into the behemoths

[@Jamesthebikeguy]

Because of safety, reputation, warranty, and liability. Taiwan is a huge place so the country of origin and factories really don't matter in determining quality. The QC and what the brand represents does. Not to mention intellectual property.

[@polishguywithhardtospellna8227]

Never carbon! Toxic, unrecyclable shit, that will break on your tigh impact if unlucky. Completely unnecessary for bikes, regardless of amateur or pro. You either love nature, or have disregard for it, by supporting carbon.