The Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 189 - Unit 731 Part 1: Shirō Ishii - The Japanese Josef Mengele

In this episode of The Chilluminati Podcast, we're discussing Unit 731 and Shirō Ishii, known as the Japanese Josef Mengele. This is another deep dive, so make sure to subscribe to the podcast to hear the rest!
Shiro Ishii was one of the most significant figures in Japanese bio-warfare during World War 2. In this episode, we discuss his involvement in Unit 731, the horrific experiments that took place there, and the legacy of Unit 731. If you're interested in World War 2 history, or the history of bio-warfare, then make sure to listen to this episode!
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[@nuhuhnope7579]

Shiro, the fourth son, with 4 in his name. 4 is the number of death in japan because it can be pronounced like the word for death.

[@patu8010]

Fitting name, huh

[@JoshSweetvale]

Also, Shiro means White which is the colour of death. Shrouds, snow, spooky ghosts and fog.

[@Terrakinetic]

7:40 That jolted back memories of Jesse's hits like, "I'm Choking on the Rain," or "Fujimaru Pantsu."

[@johnoneil9188]

Man, those were the days of the Terraria LP. Truly legendary.

[@5555petros]

The fact that all members of Unit 731 were granted immunity for their crimes against humanity and their war crimes is outright enraging. A most grave insult to justice and basic human decency.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Your moral outrage is meaningless. Save it for similar things happening _today._ Oh but that would take work, wouldn't it? Let's just say Japanese ultranationalism is alive and well. For instance, in Anime.

[@joaogomes9405]

Worst part is, they regularly had fucking group reunions after the war. Just a bunch of war criminals openly getting together to reminisce about their war crimes. Absolutely insane.

[@Snowmanse]

The movie discussion just gave me a ptsd flashback about my time in retail. Guy came in looking for a dvd of White House Down on the day that Olypus Has Fallen was released on DVD. White House Down wouldn't come out for a few months later. Threatened to punch me in the face when I explained that they have similar premises and maybe he just got the release dates mixed up.

[@kahunab7400]

Imagine someone walked in wanting a 'new nintendo 3ds' in 2014 and you sold them the wrong thing by accident.

[@frankiethe16]

I have seen both films and out of the two, white house down is better because it doesn't take itself as seriously. As for The Last Samurai, culturally speaking it's a lot less offensive when you realize that Tom Cruise is not who the title refers to. Historical accuracy wise it conflates a bunch of people and conflicts and glosses over a bunch of stuff but more or less falls in line with how Japan likes to remember that period so I imagine that's part of why it has it's fans. I did a term paper on Unit 731 and how it reflected the Japanese ideology of technological development as outlined in Rich Nation Strong Army by Richard J. Samuels. The research was incredible rough and cost me the ability to sleep some nights, on the plus side my professor mentioned it to the author of the book and he was apparently horrified and intrigued.

[@banditkinggyo9784]

Havent watched this yet but i know this is going to be a rough one for the boys and I am all in for it

[@justinarnold8686]

Lol Jessie, they don’t give recruits mustard gas. They expose them to CS gas. It sucks, but it’s not a blistering agent!

[@Sith9890]

the fact that Japan came out of centuries of self-imposed isolation into a fast-track, centralized modernization process (especially in regards to military tech and state power) definitely contributed to their expansion, to the point where they started winning wars against Western powers and making waves in Great Power diplomacy (which raised eyebrows amongst people who thought Europe/The West was insurmountably superior to any Asian state until the Russo-Japanese War). Also one of the big reasons the League of Nations didn't work out was that the US didn't actually join it even though Wilson was the architect of the whole idea (that and they had no real enforcement abilities) sorry, this episode's already activated the two history degrees part of my brain lol

[@CorraThaxton]

38:00 I was thinking more of that one episode of Dexter's Laboratory where he's annoying the overnight custodian at his school with how often he stays until the wee hours of the morning experimenting and leaving the mess behind.

[@raymondcalderon8180]

Part 1!?!? Godspeed, y'all.

[@Sith9890]

Just going to remind people that (as I'm sure is going to come up as this story unfolds, especially towards the end when Ishii cuts his deal) the US had its own biological weapons program from 1943 to the late 60s-early 70s. Japan wasn't an anomaly in regards to this stuff at the time

[@JoshSweetvale]

Heh. ""had"" Wink.

[@NewCitrus]

It's still going on. And it's not a secret. My biomedical sciences professor visited a former student after said student moved to the US to work on biochemical warfare research for the American government. The prof had to go through a major background check, it took at least a year if I remember correctly. Apparently, he could never go back, because the monkeys they were experimenting on had facial way too similar to people. Those are memory I wouldn't want either.

[@dalibar]

Yoooo just starting this one but so excited for it! I really love and am fascinated by these dark unbelievable parts of humanity.

[@minnesotastatesirens2732]

new outro go hard af

[@elaineallemann1759]

Feels like this episode is setting us up for something far darker next week. Good luck to our sanity by the end of it!

[@haiirosenshi]

As prior military I can confirm we do indeed have to go into a gas chamber where release tear gas into a room. We have our masks on as the gas is released, we remove our masks and must take 1 large inhale of the gas, then after we feel the effects we put our masks back on. It was unpleasant to say the least.

[@Hjylps]

Same experience here, CS gas is the name. Not pleasant at all.

[@Nancysvodkasoakeddentures]

But definitely NOT mustard gas

[@MadHatter_920]

My Japanese grandmother absolutely loved The Last Samurai. She found it to be a very sad movie and asked me if I thought Americans even truly understood it.

[@unseenabyss2824]

This is some of the worst stuff in human history to have to listen too. But honestly its necessary for people to learn history and how this happens so it doesn't happen again.

[@Bilbosilius_Zwackelbaggins]

Oh boy... better get a barrel of whiskey before subjecting myself to this one

[@KecalMilenium]

Oh boy this is going to be a depressing ride, isn't it? At least we have Dean (hopefully feeling better) having fun with outro, I really like the music starting during last bits of regular episode conversation.

[@DeanCutsforth]

You’re a sweetheart. I’m feeling much better! Thank you!

[@Paradoxman92]

Fun fact in the Amazon Prime series Kamen Rider Black Sun it is implied that the heroes and villians (who are all monsters) are the results of unit 731

[@shindalah1794]

Just went through bmt for the usaf and yes you go through something called cbrne, which is being shoved into a room and exposed to tear gas. Good times.

[@richanvils2138]

dante's peak & volcano, armageddon & deep impact, the illusionist & the prestige

[@jinx17]

This is gonna be dark. Definitely gonna be interested in listening tonight though. I saw Men Behind the Sun years ago.

[@JoshSweetvale]

39:00 That's not a 'serial killer' thing, that's a 'smart people' thing. Difference is, succesful serial killers hide muderous inpulses rather than sloth or greed.

[@ImBoredToo]

I caught that faint Cox Wild Wild West in that intro.

[@ProducerJS]

I have yet to watch the episode, but I wanted to recommend something before I forget! You guys should totally try to get Wendigoon on for your next guest episode! I think he would be a perfect fit and I bet the episode would turn out great! Take it or leave it, I just thought I would toss it out there! ❤ Okay, now that the idea is off my mind, it's time to listen to this week's episode! I can't wait to see what y'all have cooked up! 😈

[@bubruss5925]

The prequel to MK-ultra... My god.

[@ChilluminatiPod]

It was foretold in the prophecy. It is time to finally cover it.

[@brandonsmith7007]

Mathas saying he's only ever seen Deep Impact and not Armageddon, hurt my feelings a little.

[@PrncsAllieChan]

As someone with a photographic memory, can confirm it's real. The way Mathas described it about his mom is how I also do this.

[@_e1i]

WOW!

[@Crashpunk]

I for one welcome auto tuned Jesse

[@aurinsaint9058]

The native Americans were pretty bloodthirsty. Then again, so we're the whites, and the blacks....in fact ... Humankind is pretty bloodthirsty aren't we?

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

Are you guys ever releasing Rotten popcorn at a later date for non patreon fans like the minisode comps? If you already are, where are they?

[@ChilluminatiPod]

We do! They should be on the main RSS feed for the podcast but also a separate podcast called rotten popcorn. There’s 4 live for free at the moment I believe!

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

@@ChilluminatiPod I don't know what RSS is or where I would find that. :x

[@ChilluminatiPod]

@@EdyGlockenspiel if you only listen on KZbin it’s not up here. But you can get it here - open.spotify.com/show/27STc17V7QTUVjDcp3cek4?si=kz01yiu-SUWAP4N6j4H55g

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

@@ChilluminatiPod Ah ok, thanks! Yeah my 2 podcast places are Soundcloud and KZbin. Looking forward to having more to listen to now~

[@emotionalsupporthipster659]

👋🏼Suggestion for future rotten popcorn viewing. Communion from 1989 with Christopher Walken. It's about author Whitley Strieber's alleged real life "abduction encounter". It's weird, it's crazy, it's bad, it has Chris Walken hamming it up! It has it all!🍿

[@Roanski]

Just looking at the title...this is going to be a real rough one.

[@RufusOmega]

This guy was just straight-up the inspiration for Professor Hojo, huh.

[@denteater3498]

Hey! I left a comment about this place on your first MK ultra video! A surprising number of people worked here…

[@avidplanes]

There is a movie called philosophy of the knife that is about this it is very graphic don’t recommend unless you know what you are getting into

[@toxicbananas3219]

Did anyone else notice the weird auto tuned voice at the beginning towards the end of the theme? Could this be a secret message???

[@ppppppqqqppp]

I always find the research Mike does to be weirdly focused loads of info from one or two sources, but won't just Google "what is his name"

[@JoshSweetvale]

It might just be his American-ness. "First name/Last name" So self-centric the term becomes meaningless. Instead of the international "Given name/family name."

[@brandiblack5806]

When they found the Engima machine. And Brits knew when germans attacking Churchill couldn't do anything and lead his men to death. Just so Germans would not know Churchill figured it out .

[@richmondvand147]

People tend to forget how xenophobic a LOT of Asian countries are. As for the rise in that well we have the ex cheeto-in-chief to thank for that, and people are getting desperate because of late stage capitalism mixing with fascism's/theocracy last gasp (look no futher than the DI's Wedge Strategy Document)

[@quasnoflaut7619]

Why's the music low at the end of this one? Content ID issues?

[@DeanCutsforth]

Just playing around with the track - I like detuning music

[@TomasCyr]

25 mins in, It's not that "and then they put on the mask" it's, you have 15 sec to get your gear on, and whether you did it in time the gas comes. It's to make the slow take it seriously and speed up in a safe controlled environment.

[@blantisulatorblanston53]

What ever happened to judgemathas?

[@Annnoura]

This is one of the most difficult to listen to stories on the podcast for me.

[@briwood6328]

I don't think you advertised enough on this one...joking 😂👍✌

[@jayh8457]

America #1!