The Chinese Collapse: A (MASSIVE) Housing Overbuild || Peter Zeihan

Trying to predict what the Chinese system will look like as it collapses would be a fool's errand, but exploring China's housing market in this context could be fruitful.
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[@donovan5656]

I remember when I lived in Shanghai and I’d visit friends in the outskirts. It was a surreal sight, just rows after rows of monolithic apartments all the way to the horizon. It was like walking through an unfinished map in a video game.

[@JohnJaneson2449]

And the slums, huge differences from the city center, almost a different world.

[@abramjessiah]

I felt the same when I lived in Shanghai

[@taylorc2542]

How do build 200% more housing than your population. Nobody is that dumb.

[@craserx6267]

Such a great comparison.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

I feel that way when I hang with my trailerpark buddies

[@timbaker3709]

I was in China for a month the year before covid hit. I went from just outside of Hong Kong all the way to Beijing and literally saw canyons...I kid you not canyons of skyscrapers that all sitting empty. We started a game of trying to count and keep a tally of all the sky crane construction cranes and finally gave up. There were just too many to keep track of...in the various parts of the country. And it was everywhere...not just here or there. We would be in what appeared to be the middle of nowhere and up would pop a hundred cranes...and high rises that were under construction. It was crazy. We saw major...multilane highways that just went nowhere. One deadened just outside of our hotel on like the 20th floor. They would have had to knock down the hotel...a Hard Rock...and couple housing high-rises to complete it or continue it. It was total building mayhem. We caught a train in Schenzen(sp) and it literally took hours...hours...on the bullet train to leave the urban sprawl. I had never seen anything like...nor anything comparable since. I figured it was all a false propping up of their GDP...thus the Portland cement shortages of the past few years...but from your info it was driven by citizen investments, not a gov push to shore up GDP. Unreal.

[@markpukey8]

It's both. The CCP drives GDP by keeping everyone working in construction. And they force the citizens to invest their savings into this real estate which created a fake "need" for more construction. The citizens would probably have been happy to buy some stock indexed to the Dow Jones if they could.

[@PatrickLloyd-]

I believe the housing market has been highly overpriced. There are different factors. Some of it is more buyers than sellers. People get in bidding wars over a home. Most homes sell within 2 weeks.

[@PhilipDunk]

Then if vou want land in the country between the rich folk and China who are paying way to much for property they make it impossible for average people to purchase in the country. It's going to implode because all the people who paid a premium for house's are a paycheck away from losing those homes. Look at the trucking company that just went out of business. How many of those employees will lose their homes. Look at other big companies that announced layoffs.Housing will be taking a big hit and prices will drop

[@Nernst96]

I bought a house with cash in 2021. The insurance and property taxes have doubled since then, and now costs more than I ever paid in rent in my life. I feel that I would be better off living in a studio apartment in a warehouse again and investing the money in anything else.I suggest you offset your real estate and get into stocks, A recession as bad it can be, provides good buying opportunities in the markets

[@mikeroper353]

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[@Nernst96]

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[@mikeroper353]

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[@leondonald]

Some economists have projected that both the U.S. and parts of Europe could slip into a recession for a portion of 2023. A global recession, defined as a contraction in annual global per capita income, is more rare because China and emerging markets often grow faster than more developed economies. Essentially the world economy is considered to be in recession if economic growth falls behind population growth.

[@berkrix4312]

My main concern now is how can we generate more revenue during quantitative times? I can't afford to see my savings crumble to dust.

[@jeffery_Automotive]

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[@DavidRiggs-dc7jk]

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[@jeffery_Automotive]

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[@DavidRiggs-dc7jk]

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[@mnkybndit]

Not only has it been overbuilt, much of the housing is crumbling because of corruption and cost cutting in the building industry.

[@linmal2242]

Tofu Dregs construction! Hopefully their military is built on Tofu Dregs as well!

[@jesinbeverly]

As soon as anything is built, there will never be an attempt to maintain it. It’s a steady decline the day a building or any infrastructure opens.

[@rarauhd]

​@@linmal2242 please don't use any Chinese made products, including anything inside that can possibly be made in China. Before buying anything, stripe everything down, anything inside that's made in China, please don't buy it, it's tofu built.

[@rarauhd]

​@@jesinbeverlyyes USA spend so much money on military, they have no money to maintain their infrastructure. USA infrastructure is in decline, does your USA government even care????

[@OutThere5]

You can pick the concrete off building with your hands! Made in China

[@markbailey8252]

What Peter doesn't mention here (unless I missed it), is that while there may be sufficient empty housing stock in China to house the entire population twice over, much of it is simply in the wrong place. In the major cities, especially Beijing and Shanghai, the cost of housing is astronomical and has become a major drag on the economy and a further contributor to China's onrushing demographic catastrophe. In other parts of the country, however, vast housing estates lie virtually empty because nobody wants to live there, but local authorities are dependent on land sales to developers for significant proportions of their revenue, meaning that the cycle of borrowing, building and bad debts keeps going round and round virtually unchecked. And everybody expects the government to step in and bail them out when things go bad. It's a completely rotten system that is only going to get worse as the Chinese economy continues to implode and the Party-state prefers internal repression and nationalistic tubthumping to meaningful structural reform - especially the boosting of internal demand through the construction of an effective and comprehensive social welfare system.

[@ronblack7870]

i just had some of my people go to china for a week to a factory where we bought some large machines. it's in the middle of china in a city you never heard of but it's 15 million people. so they have lots of cities like that . not everyone lives on the coast.

[@DK-ev9dg]

A teacher can buy an apartment in Shanghai. Can a teacher buy an apartment in New York. Stop spreading bullshit.

[@zoltankessel9257]

I cant believe this excess housing 2 times over. That would mean they have industrial and labour reserves which are gigantic. If true the Chinese economy is much much bigger than the US

[@adurpandya2742]

This comment was needed. Having enough housing for everyone, alone, is not a bad thing. It’s like they solved that issue permanently.

[@DurzoBlunts]

No mention of tofu dreg construction. Most of those empty shells suffer from failing quality and they're close to collapse.

[@deja699]

As a kayak guide for two decades on Maui I had the privilege of meeting many affluent Chinese. One time a large family came with an old patriarch. The weather got nasty before we could get to shore. When the old man had a problem in his single kayak, the entire family abandoned their grandfather to the stormy sea and the foreign guide, and he literally cried in shame. When we got to shore I scolded them for no team work and no loyalty, and he gave me a big tip. I remember thinking (as I towed him, politely ignoring his emotions), about the obvious disenfranchisement of the youth, and the women. I don't know why I remember him, but I aways have. Aloha 🌺

[@doujinflip]

Mainlander Chinese are a low-trust society just with disposable funds. Unfortunately money doesn't buy conscientiousness.

[@3bSneaky_]

Insane. Programmed minds!!! That’s so sad. Their leader is removing humanity from their minds and preparing them for undying loyalty even in the face of death/famine. I hope they wake up. I hope we all do!! Crazy world but humanity and species tribalism is how we survive!

[@willchristie2650]

Maybe he was a terrible man that had alienated his family.

[@yeboscrebo4451]

I was staying at a hotel on Waikiki and talking to the waiter at breakfast, he told me he really doesn’t like waiting on chinese guests. He said they have poor attitudes and never tip.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

A remarkable story. Without context, it seems to highlight the every-man-for-himself sentiment I’ve been seeing from learning about China, perhaps a little bit of “Let it Rot.” Thanks for sharing! I do hope the family is managing.

[@gingerkilkus]

Well it's time for the BRICS- New World Order to come up with a default reserve currency or simply go back to gold as the reserve. It will be too chaotic for each country to trade in their respective currencies with the daily change in exchange rates.

[@TomD226]

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[@lowcostfresh2266]

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[@TomD226]

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[@GIGroundNPound]

Uh.....sure. Keep thinking the garbage that is BRICS is the answer.

[@nekogato8990]

I once rented an office in a town called Huizhou. It was dirt cheap and I soon found out why. When I decided to explore the area around that building, I saw a huge number of relatively new apartment buildings on seashore that were completely abandoned and I doubt there ever was anyone who lived there. I stayed in a rental apartment and that apartment was the only one inhabited on the entire floor. That was a truly surreal experience.

[@jackmccombs3602]

8:51 this situation will motivate the leadership to strike out blaming their problems on others such as Taiwan, other regional nations, and of course the U.S. I fear war is near.

[@HerMajesty1]

​@@jackmccombs3602💯

[@Ryan-ff2db]

@@jackmccombs3602You may be right but I really hope you are not. A war with China would be catastrophic, globally.

[@bardsamok9221]

​@@jackmccombs3602Try a tinfoil hat, should help with the voices.

[@MrAstrojensen]

@@jackmccombs3602War has always been near, when there are internal problems in China... It's their go-to solution when they need to divert the public's attention from a major problem: Create a bigger one that they can blame on someone else.

[@ivanmihaylov6676]

Peter never fails to whisper sweet nothings into my left ear

[@albanycoatesville]

Chinese whispers

[@craftsmanceramics8653]

Harder ddy Zeihan harder.

[@JohnAnglin-lh7bs]

Is that a reference to little Miss Dynamite

[@frankfranco3626]

I thought if was my new AirPods.

[@yahyahboy2]

Or right ear depending on how you hold your phone

[@codyj7532]

Chinas home ownership in Canada has been absolutely brutal on the Canadian system -driving up costs leaving literally entire subdivisions with no one living in them.

[@seankearney6632]

We have exactly the same thing happening in NZ. Our silly government allows Chinese speculators to purchase housimg which inflates house prices and rents. This at a time when we have peak historical homelessness.

[@derivativeshort]

This is western finances failure.

[@andrewr5203]

Same thing in Australia - Sydney worst of all

[@HailAzathoth]

non citizens need to be banned from owning property in Canada

[@mrk8546]

It’s fashion to blame the chinese for everything but look no further than your voted officials who make it almost impossible to build new units by regulations that control the process.

[@ramonschliszka6332]

We should start calling Peter “the teacher”. Such clear explanation, I wish I had a teacher like that growing up.

[@AK-wn5ri]

I have lived in China and must say that their "prestigious" builders also make crappy apartments. My friend bought a new apartment and from outside it looked amazing, but quality was abysmal. Walls were made of concrete but you can remove it with your hand and little pressure. Apartment then started shaking as structural pillars developed cracks. You cannot sue builders in China as the company owners are CCP members. My friend had to leave the apartment and lost all his savings and has mortgage to pay for the apartment he cannot live.

[@ericaward702]

F*CK THE CCP FOREVER

[@ishtiaquealamin6147]

Said a liar who never stepped outside the streets of San Francisco where home less drug addicts roam.

[@unrealmagic6519]

lmao cope boy. you cant stop hiding what china does. but hey at least the homeless in china only get drunk not high so that makes it much better right?@@ishtiaquealamin6147

[@HerMajesty1]

Yes. They call it tofu buildings. The Chinese bots don't like anyone knowing the truth.

[@guydreamr]

@@ishtiaquealamin6147 Said someone who offers absolutely no evidence that OP was doing anything but telling the truth from personal experience.

[@jasonbraun]

I remember traveling from the airport to downtown Beijing about 10 years ago. It was close to sunset and the air was thick with smog, thicker than New Delhi in the summer. It smelled like coal and dirt. Off the highway there were these huge apartment cities, they looked like Co-Op City in the Bronx only without people, cars, just completely vacant and newly built. I saw at least 4-5 of these small cities. I remember thinking what the hell is that all about?

[@icet6665]

DUDE, 10 YEARS AGO.. LOL.. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

[@MikiCab1]

Same here. I never seen so much construction in my life

[@alexlucassen8489]

Also me did see the samein Chine, cities full of empty & brand new building.

[@sambarberfilms8641]

@@icet6665like what ? Cool discussion

[@MikiCab1]

@@icet6665 like even more construction of empty buildings?

[@alanalew]

10 years ago I asked friends in China how these high rise housing projects that are over 90% empty could be economically sustainable. Their answer was that they trusted the government (mean Beijing/CCP) to come up with appropriate policies should that becomes an issue. Good luck with that!

[@laosasean8482]

China will be fine no matter what they are self reliant country.

[@rmkensington]

A self reliant country? They rely heavily on imports of food and oil.

[@rasmuslernevall6938]

​@@laosasean8482Ehh, what are you talking about? They are one of the most import dependent countries in the world. They import extreme amounts of energy and most of the goods that allow them to grow their own food. They would loose half their population in under 3 years if that got cut off. Self reliant? Good lord...

[@laosasean8482]

@@rasmuslernevall6938 No dummy its not that, most countries are dependent on them they are supplies chains to the world India never going to replace them. They are one of the oil production countries. They have to suitable land for agriculture especially rice and that how they survives overs 50000 years and still going strong. Where is Roman empire or Roman civilization. They also the countries got the most fresh water, and they generate more electricity than everyone else in the world. The housing problem is not doing good simply because they intend to slow its down, so that its could hurts countries such Australia, who exports most of the law material to China. The most dependents countries are EU, South Korea, and Japan because they have no natural, not like China or Russia which they have the natural. If China would collapse its would collapse thousands years ago like Roman or western civilization. I guess you must from India and India so jealousy of China, because China is doing better than you. And China is only country on this planet that is challenging US in, economy, military, technology and political. US is will collapse due to racism, inflation, debt, they spend too much money on the war, while they don't taking care the crumbling infrastructure and the own citizen and why don't you go do some research about Flint, Michigan instead bashing about Chinal

[@UniDeathRaven]

Good luck with trusting government, the main mistake of human life.

[@joshjones6072]

Regarding the massive overbuild of roads and buildings in China, one thing I've noticed... Economic "goods" are only good if they make each person's life better in China. But if these "goods" are useless then all that material was wasted. We experienced a global sand shortage for this.

[@MikiCab1]

In China the buyers will also borrow money from relatives for the down payment. I met lots of Chinese there and they would tell me their relatives loan them money to help them buy homes . I worked with 2 Chinese in the USA and they would tell me the same and that since they worked in the USA they were expected to loan money to relatives in China. They complained that when they went back to China they had to bring back $10k to give out as loans. $10k because that is the max cash you can take on a plane without declaring it. It is not just the people buying the house that is loosing their money. It is their entire family.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

This is true. Happens in a lot of places.

[@tk80mufa5]

Remittance slavery , basically .

[@chriswhynder8311]

crazy

[@Alphasig336]

Don’t forget that bankruptcy in China is different in the fact you lose the asset but still owe the loan. Bankruptcy doesn’t get you out of debt.

[@delo3936]

I was hoping Peter would give us his insights on how the Chinese calamity that is about to happen, would effect Europe and North America( and rest of the world ). Awesome content as usual. Cheers

[@atix50]

Basically, any Western companies like pension fund management crooks or Westerner banks that loaned the development companies money are about to get rammed with a red hot poker right in the.... You'll also see a lot of commercial property for sale or building sites suddenly empty. They'll have had Chinese investors either gone bankrupt or on the run. It's happening in Sydney and Europe right now.

[@cpewts]

Technically you’re not even able to “own” property/land in China at this point, you lease it. 70 year leases and then returned to the government. Also, my gf’s father who lives in China had to travel 3 hours on the train to the regional province recently just bc he wanted to take money out of the bank. Even then he had to argue there for 5 hours before they let him withdraw what he wanted. It’s getting really bad the way the government is forcing you to limit how you want to use your money rn.

[@michaellorenson2997]

_And,_ all of that may not even factor in the incredibly poor quality of so many of the structures (houses, buildings, etc) built during the boom years. Many are literally uninhabitable, and have been since they were built. I don't have specific data on this problem, but as someone who has done business in and has actually visited China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, I expect that a shocking percentage of these structures will simply have to be knocked-down and carted off to the landfills. _Financial armageddon_ for everyone in China seems assured, to me.

[@rathelmmc3194]

It's funny too because I think a lot of US GDP is questionable just due to how we calculate it (example: how they prefer two working parents putting kids in daycare because that's extra GDP instead of counting a stay at home parent as GDP). However China's GDP is bonanzas. Building things that will never be used so the number goes up is so counterproductive that it could be considered insane (fraud).

[@markpukey8]

@jackjones4824 They already do. By one estimate they printed (relative to the size of their economy) more than 3x as much currency as the US in the past decade! And the US currency is frequently pulled out of circulation and stuffed into foreign banks and under foreign mattresses. NO ONE does that with Yuan, so the scale of "printing their way out of the problem" is far worse than here in the US. It's actually one more nail in their economic coffin. They can't push that one much harder.

[@kennethferland5579]

Also appaling to think that billions of tons of CO2 got pumped out and global warming put into over drive to make all that cement which will not even be a roof over anyones head, but rather just a pile of rubble in a dump.

[@rathelmmc3194]

@Patriciajames96 you don't invest in a bank account. You save in a bank.

[@markpukey8]

@jackjones4824All of that is internal. At some point, those strict controls mean they can tell the people "This leaf is money. Take it!" and ... the people will. But that's not a stable way to maintain a global economy. And as things fall apart internally, they will be forced to use any foreign currencies to buy the raw materials they require internally (Not to make goods to export, just internally). At some point they run out of foreign capital. Then they are telling the people "This is not a leaf, it is a pig. Eat this pig and be happy! Be happy or we will put you in jail!" and insanity like that. It's a short term solution and may very well lead to a revolt. The Chinese people are very docile for their government. But ANY nation can eventually rise up and kick out the barstards if it gets hard enough. China either has to make some major changes to how they run their run their country or they may find the CCP up against that figurative wall in a few years.

[@nightspore4850]

I’d be surprised if the value of real estate assets is even a quarter. A lot of projects remain unfinished, and then there’s the tofu-dreg quality issue. Moreover, Japan and South Korea had friends, notably us, where China is mostly hated, loathed, despised, and not liked. China is giving a whole new meaning to circling the drain.

[@hellfiresiayan]

We are not friends with China but it isn't in our interests for them to collapse right now. The West would likely help if this happens.

[@sativagirl1885]

Why not ship America's illegal immigrant-refugees to where there's housing and low paying jobs?

[@dcc70]

​@@sativagirl1885an increasing number of illegals are coming from China to escape economic hardship caused by COVID lockdowns

[@josephmungai1799]

​@@sativagirl1885😂😂😂😂😂😂nobody wants to leave America, one; and two the Chinese do hate foreigners with almost twice the hatred the KKK had for blacks

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@sativagirl1885because they had housing and jobs and they decided they could make more on American welfare then working in South America

[@thelonewanderervault1115]

Thanks for the explanation , been wondering !

[@stoictraveler1]

Great morning talky stuff. Upbeat, lean, informative, and global. Thx

[@DaleSteadman]

I've been consistently pointing out for years that China's rapid growth is unsustainable, and now it appears that the consequences are catching up with them.

[@yoyolim538]

Yeah I predicted that the Chinese economy ill collapse every Christmas for the last 60 years, and it looks like Peter is going to make it happen at last

[@Bootman899]

Sure thing, Dale. You saw it all for years. Thanks

[@white69cracker]

It's all daydreaming andwishes of westerners in reality China is stronger now than it has ever been. China contributes more to global economy in terms of PPP GDP than United States. So keep dreaming and stay jealous while China is growing .

[@DK-ev9dg]

😢😢😢😢😢😢another looser

[@chozer1]

china has been a poor nation 60 years ago all the way til about 30-35 years ago. thanks to deng shaoping @@yoyolim538

[@StevenfromTX]

There is no personal bankruptcy in China. People will live the rest of their lives trying to pay off the mortgages on those properties. They may also spend that time paying for properties their parents bought. As their people fail their systems will fail. The number of things in our houses that say 'made in China' will start to disappear. Maybe other countries will step up before that toaster breaks, maybe not.

[@eduwino151]

in the next 10 years, india, vietnam, mexico , Brazil , are about to bite a seriously huge chunk out of chinese manufacturing

[@commenter2959]

Citizens wont move into ghost towns if there are no jobs nearby. But if Peter Zeihan's assessment is correct that China will face a deindustrialization crisis in the near future, a lot of Chinese will have no jobs anyway and will have to live in their 2nd and 3rd apartments since they have no where else to go anyway. China might be the one to establish a UBI just to placate the jobless. At least they wont have a homeless problem

[@StevenfromTX]

The transition is what concerns people. I've asked my doctor and dentist, and they both buy all of their consumables from China by way of Amazon. @@eduwino151

[@jwatkins672012]

Wow! Didn't know that. However, we have similar situation with student debt, which cannot be canceled through bankruptcy. Yet corporations can get away with screwing their suppliers and creditors by using bankruptcy despite the fact that CEOs are literally paid to predict and manage the future vs. literally teenagers that are expected know and pay for any mistake forever without forgiveness for not knowing the future of their chosen career. Note: not a student. Did my tike back in 90s.

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

If I go bankrupt in Australia, I still have to pay off the debt.

[@dylanthomas12321]

Thanks Peter, good analysis. I will add one datapoint to make things worse,one I'm sure you know. Ecergrande (now in bakruptcy in NYC of all places, it's almost comical) and a dozen other property developers were racing so fast to build tofu dreg complexes to keep up with demand that they borrowed billions from LGFVs, among others, to "buy" land and start building, selling unfinished apartments from plans, skipping town, rinse and repeat. So crazed buyers bought unfinished apts from crazed developers who borrowed money from LGFVs backed by crazed city and provincial goverments desperate for revenue they could divvy up among crazed party members. Bubbles within bubbles. A mania unlike any other, including Tulip bulbs and the Roaring 20s. So yeah, maybe they are overbuilt by 200 percent, but a big slice of these ghost cities are unfinished and poorly built. You wouldn't dare live in them. China is headed for a crash that may bring down the CCP. Fortunately, US investors are not heavily exposed. But BMW and Mercedes can kiss half their sales goodbye.

[@tk80mufa5]

Would add to that : Merc is partially owned by the Chinese , like Volvo / Polestar is fully owned by them Happy to see BMW fail , lived in Munich for a while , arrogant smug people who forget how to make good looking cars 20 years ago, plus the company is still majority owned by that war profiteering family

[@kevingoohs531]

From ‘12-‘15 I traveled extensively throughout China as part of their air quality monitoring campaign as well as visiting multiple coal fired power plants. I was surprised at these rows and rows of unfinished apartment buildings shrouded in green mesh. It appeared to be unfinished projects. Seems ti to have turned out to be true.

[@LoscoeLad]

vast empty cities

[@DK-ev9dg]

You never visited China.

[@mntlblok]

@@DK-ev9dg Huh?

[@DurzoBlunts]

Tofu dreg construction, that's the aftermath of it what you saw.

[@echoeversky]

SerpenZA documented such things. He and his buddy had to leave before they were taken political hostage like their 2 Canadian friends.

[@ngc-ho1xd]

Man I know I can't be the only one who would love to hear you do a deep dive into Japan and it's future.

[@gazunkafonegazunkafone3492]

I always need a peter pick me up in the morning🥰

[@trplankowner3323]

Once again, Peter has offered us an optimistic look at the state of the Chinese economy. Assuming 3 persons per unit, a generous assumption, there is enough housing in China to house not 200%, but 300% of not China's population, but the population of all of humanity. Over 99% of these building are tofu dregs construction junk. At best they will be land fill material in a decade, but I think most will still be laying where they fell. (talk about a dystopian hellscape that would make "Idiocracy" look good) If a Chinese citizen is not connected to the party and they have any wealth, that is where they put it. The market for housing is so bad that one dissident reports that she could only find one person that had sold a "unit" (condo/concrete cubbyhole). That person had to sell their property for half the price they had paid and that was in a Beijing suburb, the most desirable local housing market in China. The wealth of China's "middle class" has been destroyed. The funny part is that Chairman Pooh Bear and the CCP have done this to themselves, not the US, Taiwan, Japan nor India. Even if we wanted to help them, I don't think we could and I'm fairly certain we don't really want to help them. Especially when there will likely be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in Africa starving to death at the same time. I'll let everyone imagine for themselves the political prospects for any Congress person that even suggests sending aid to the PRC while every night the news is running video of hundreds of starving African children queued all day for a cup of rice, spoonful of beans and a half liter of bottled water.

[@markpukey8]

The only way the rest of us can "help" China now is to continue to prop up their dysfunctional regime by allowing them to take massive advantage of us. ALL OF US. Things like shutting down all US steel production so we only purchase from China. It's clear nonsense, but that's the scale of what it would take. And they did it to themselves, no outsider forced them into their various over extensions.

[@rh906]

I take the words of Chinese dissidents with even more salt than I do with the CCP. When Chinese get scorned, they act like jealous girlfriends (male and female) than a new rival looking to take you out.

[@StarboyXL9]

The Africans did that to themselves too. I have no sympathy for them. They can't function outside of bare-bones tribal societies, so I say we leave them too it and stop sending aid. Let the weak of Africa expire from the gene pool while the strong rise. We've been doing them a disservice by funding the reproduction of weak Africans and preventing the strong from doing their thing. Time for that to end. Hopefully it might result in a better Africa in the end, but even if it doesn't, who cares? They aren't our problem to take care of. We owe them nothing. The debt from "colonization" has been paid off a hundredfold. Time to leave.

[@daweilaotou1269]

No cliche left unturned here!

[@trplankowner3323]

@@daweilaotou1269 That's your reply to a 7 month old and very erudite comment? You say there are cliches, but fail to mention a single one. Pathetic!

[@kidlatazul]

My understanding is that if instead of paying cash for an apartment you financed it with a mortgage, you are required to pay off the mortgage, regardless of whether you are able to or not. You can declare bankruptcy, and the apartment can be repossessed and resold by the bank, but you still have to pay off the mortgage. This is going to leave potentially millions of Chinese with a debt burden that will follow them around until they die. I cannot imagine the psychological as well as financial disaster this policy will precipitate.

[@rathelmmc3194]

It won't work. They already have a "lie flat" problem. No way you can keep people indebted and hope they will continue to contribute.

[@Ppxl88]

My relative lives in a tier 3 city in China and even that city has 3x as much housing as people. When you get off the highway near a ghost area, you get swarmed by real estate sales goons

[@chady77077]

6:34 to 20 seconds later made my day LOL Great comedic editing and timing. Kudos lol

[@vurujak]

good info

[@shanky.y]

pls boost the audio by like 50%

[@ArunSwaminath]

Bump

[@Pixelperfectify]

As usual an incredibly concise analysis Peter. Appreciate the flyover and comparison with Japan and Korea. Having spent significant time in Japan the past 19 years, what you reference in terms of Japans churn-through journey has been noticiable.

[@Vzzdak]

Notice how they try to emulate Japan and Korea, yet are completely unwilling to consider human rights protections, legal enforcement of those protections, and rigorous auditing of business practices.

[@HailAzathoth]

@lawyerup2280 those are chinese governmet officials and the ultra wealthy, not the chinese middle class, who are doing that

[@RD-jc2eu]

@lawyerup2280 I think he referenced it sort of indirectly, when he mentioned the Chinese people regularly searching for -- and finding -- loopholes and workarounds to the capital controls, which the CCP then closes off, which leads to the search for new ones, and on the circle goes. For instance, I think a lot of the Chinese acquisition of real estate in Canada has been through third parties.

[@socrates5647]

lol as usual? Mark Milley just admitted that it's not a spy balloon, and re-watched this guy's analysis about the balloon 7 months ago, what a laughing stock it was!

[@BjornGevert]

Wow, mindboggling data, Peter! Been following you for a year now, and it appears you are correct in your predictions most of the time. Thanks, and keep it up, big fan!

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Agreed. So much data that didn't exist😂😂😂😂

[@martinjdesmond]

I always like to watch Peter hiking and the different mountain and forest scenes.

[@PleaseShutUpNowDude]

Peter, the audio on your video is always panned hard left.

[@gutstompenrocker]

Isn't that called mono, as opposed to stereo?

[@sirguy6678]

Fantastic update! Thanks for putting things into perspective!

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source m

[@alanniederlitz8630]

GOOD INFO

[@raifsevrence]

The Asianometry channel has some really good, detailed videos about the recent history of South Korea , their economy and their companies. Their corporate history is fascinating and crazy.

[@jasonssavitt5297]

I'm just thinking about all of the abandoned cities that there will be in 40 - 50 years. It's gonna look post-apocalyptic as hell.

[@kindredspiritzz66]

They were built so badly they will be dust by then it sounds like

[@richardovercast2258]

Over building is an issue but the bigger issue are the defauts. 30% of China's GDP is housing and since 2021 40% of buyers defaulted. Just last month Country Garden, China's largest developer, missed 2 interest payments and announced they are 187 billion in debt.

[@miaowang6250]

You are talking about 10 years ago,now only 8% of GDP is buildings.

[@dr.michaellittle5611]

Truly outstanding video, Peter 👏👏👏👏

[@troycarpenter3675]

Thanks Peter

[@rogerwilco2]

And Peter is always so optimistic about everything else.

[@rd24life]

Exactly, he’s only a CIA propagandist. It is so obvious what he is up to

[@GeorgeStar]

He does something you don't - research.

[@sbukeli]

​@@GeorgeStar how do you know??

[@shangtsung88]

Of course, he's the one who delivers nothing but good news for American think tanks who pay him handsomely to push the China collapse narrative

[@pseudoscientist8010]

​@@sbukelibecause you come with zero facts, just character assassination, aka commie tactic.

[@davidparadis490]

About a year ago, it was figured that enough housing was developed for 90% of the population

[@jonmichael4784]

This information is stunning.

[@ridasz7954]

Thanks Peter, like your presentation:-)

[@keaixiaomeinv]

Ah yes, another uplifting masterpiece by Peter.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source trust me bro

[@rusty9045]

Wow. I've been listening to you for a long time and I'm familiar with your view on the future of China, but this vid hit home way more than any other done previously. The world is going to have to hang on tight because 20 to 25 percent of the world's population is going to go bananas when all of these problems come into individual family homes to roost. Hang on tight!

[@johannebbes5449]

To solve the issues China would simply have to become a leading power in the BRICS+ and attract a corresponding number of young migrants to fill the houses and pay the pensions, like Germany or the USA do.

[@Pafemanti]

@@johannebbes5449 When your population is nearly a billion and a half, you'll need way more people than are available...

[@johannebbes5449]

@@Pafemanti If you seriously want to challenge the USA as the world's leading power, you need appropriate support from other countries around the world. Then population growth through fluctuating migration is definitely helpful. The port city of Guangzhou, also known as LITTLE AFRICA IN CHINA, could serve as an experience model. It would be exciting to find out how Russians react to the offer to become a millionaire in China instead of fighting with Putin for the occupation of Ukraine. Another way to fill the apartments is to combine the mini-apartments into larger units and thus create an illusion of increasing prosperity

[@JasperElvenSky]

1.3 billion people out of 8 billion is not 20 to 25%. It's 16%.

[@Actual_Malice]

@@johannebbes5449Absolutely wrong. BRICS basically is a complete nothing. India hates China, this little group is nice for them to meet up I guess but they don’t do anything substantive. China hasn’t and won’t see inward migration for obvious reasons. The language is very difficult for most. They have a brutal authoritarian regime that is actively committing a genocide in Xinjiang. Foreigners are monitored constantly. Who would ever move there? Well nobody, because they have a net OUTWARD migration. Germany and the USA have inward immigration because people want to live there. China has outward migration because people want out.

[@tonydownunder5703]

I really enjoy your updates 👍 Thanks Peter 👍

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source ?

[@walterbates1654]

Feeding the KZbin algorithm. Informative video. Thanks.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Didn't work 😂😂😂 No algorithm works like that Now be a good boy and prove it

[@Philweeks]

Brilliant backdrop for these dissertations. Love the mountain-scape. Keep it coming please 🙏 and thank-you for enlightening us all.

[@smays]

Amazing to hear someone speak, so coherently without any notes

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

And no proof

[@JW-pq4pl]

It’s like getting your geopolitical news from Bear Grills these days. Nice locations. Winter will be interesting.

[@robertmajors6910]

Interesting!

[@austinstanding8113]

Peter, please please do a U.K special. We need it.

[@patrickspeers2341]

Just finished The Accidental Superpower. Didn’t realize it was published in 14. Would love to see a revisit of those topics and how close your analysis’ were!

[@TorpedoEight]

The End of the World is Just the Beginning. I think he wrote this one last year.

[@Lawcokana]

There is an update, " The Accidental Superpower: 10 Years On".

[@paulviereck_COMPASS]

Wow, hard to imagine how this doesn’t impact everything.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source v?

[@brucezhao7158]

Huge crowded people traveling out during the 10/1 holiday. Unbelievable. People need to wait 2+ hours for a table in Restaurants in a secondary city. One more thing I had observed for this time I visited my wife hometown (a very small and used to be very low income), almost every family have cars. I live in US for almost 10 years. I am always confused by the huge deviations between the US news and what I saw and heard in China. For the over built apartments, yes. This is the fact. My family (my parents, my 2 kids, my wife and I) has 5 apartments in China big cities. But we don’t have any pressure to keep it, my parents used one and 2 of them have rent out, another 2 are empty there. Many of my friends are similar to me. People like to keep the homes, and the cost for keeping is very low and can be ignored. And btw, there is no homeless and looting shoplifting in China which is confusing me as well.

[@icet6665]

THIS GUY, PETER ZEIHAND HATES THE CHINESE SO MUCH, HE DREAMS EACH NIGHT FOR ITS DESTRUCTION. IT IS NO WONDER THAT HE WORKS FOR THE AMERICAN MILITARY

[@jameskamotho7513]

What your point? That's it's not that bad?

[@lamentate07]

@@jameskamotho7513 He is well off and his friends are too so there are no problems in China.

[@patrickmichaelmolen6416]

Another great assessment by Mr. Zeihan.

[@shmayazuggot8558]

I would like to hear your thoughts around the probable knock on effects to other countries entrapped inside their belt and roads initiative? Geopolitical affinity, realignments or total swings?

[@brendenharris8858]

dont they have to pay back China the 'cheap' loans ?

[@mrsreed9585]

A very interesting topic, I agree. I have the impression that many of these Belt and Road loans are in trouble as the poor countries cannot repay them. A road to nowhere isn't productive collateral. So what now?

[@taylorfredrickson7750]

What's really terrifying about China right now is that it's even more of a perfect storm than 2008. Before the '08 crash real estate accounted for less than 10% of US GDP, it's close to 30% in China. The financial sector also has huge amounts of money tied up so they will get hit hard too. I saw a stat today there are 1.8 million Chinese people who have already paid for homes that will never be finished and Evergrande doesn't have the money to pay them back. China is already broke and a bailout, while not out of the question, will be really bad for them; especially because with high youth unemployment and an old population they will have massively decreases in tax revenue for decades.

[@Thedaleb1]

Thanks again for making a complicated topic easy to digest. Unfortunately I doubt there is any positive way out of this for China.

[@brianboeglin8823]

Peter, great explanation and insight. You cracked me up when you referenced private consumers buying housing and iPods. 😅

[@MaraudersWorld]

Peter ... your videos are THE BEST. Thank you ... Just an FYI ... the output volume of your clips seem to be significantly lower than others on You Tube. Not sure if I am the only only one experiencing this. But again ... content is awesome.

[@JohnJaneson2449]

You're not the only one. I'm ok with it, but some people have issues with the audio.

[@jasonquigley2633]

I just wish the audio was better balanced. Loud in the left, whisper in the right....

[@sativagirl1885]

most audio engineers respond to free hand crafted beer.

[@TokyoTaisu]

Same, can confirm

[@drewe.8546]

+1

[@SuperMedman1]

Thank you for an amazing description of how several areas are converging to create a never before seen financial disaster. All dictators should take note that free societies work better, not perfectly, just better.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

A lot better.

[@christopherlee5434]

Dictatorships always have an expiration date.

[@billpetersen298]

They don’t work better, for being a little emperor, and stealing the wealth of the people.

[@geraldoantunes1410]

The point is that it does not work better for the dictator himself

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source ?

[@lucaseradi9739]

I appreciate your work but WHEN???

[@lornaz1975]

Peter! Audio MATTERS!

[@TheOwlinbayern]

China, historically speaking, has a knack for folding in on itself, evolving, revolving, devolving every 100 years or so. It has been something that happens at a dynastic level. AS you say, Peter, they are about to suffer a trifecta of perfect storms coming together all at once. The CCP may be a thing of the past in the next 5 years, and the upcoming turmoil for the Chinese people, it's gonna be horrifying. My hope is that most of the knock-on effects don't collapse the total global economic structure. You touched on most western financial instutions having insulated themselves from the potential economic shockwaves in a previous video, but have our governments gotten ball deep in debt to China? Scary times.

[@KB4QAA]

Treasury bonds are auctioned in a competitive market. What the Chinese don't buy will be purchased by other buyers. China has no control of US debt.

[@kennethferland5579]

This myth of government indebtedness to China is incredibly stupid even on the surface level, China owns no more Fed Bonds then comparativly smaller economies and owning someone elses debt instruments dosn't mean you can make them default, it just means YOU are screwed if they DO default.

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

the only way the US will make money off of a Chinese collapse is it China implodes without starting WW3 like Russia did in 1991, and the US cuts a bunch of shitty business deals to rip off the Chinese population ironically that might be how the next US "economic boom" takes place...

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood ofahard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landingin China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing in China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landingin China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007.TIME:Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid ahard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009 Fortune: China's hard landing China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013 Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 201 5 Forbes: Congratulations, J You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Cathie Wood: China's COLLAPSE Is FAR Worse Than Vou Think

[@carolchennning9188]

I highly doubt China will ever slip out of CCP's grip. The people have nothing to fight against the CCP.

[@JohnJaneson2449]

Peter, could you please comment on recent Indian-Canadian row? Also the political outlook of Canada?

[@Chrisklown]

First Trudeau resigns

[@JohnJaneson3]

​@@Chrisklown "must", I know. But "will", is what I'm asking.

[@powershift2024]

Justin from Canada looks like Klaus Schwab's eager little goose stepper, a politician concocted in a lab somewhere...

[@Chrisklown]

Profecy, Globalism, 2023. Resignation: Jacinda Ardern. Resignations, future: Justin Trudeau, Anthony Albanese, Emmanuel Macron, Lula da Silva, Volodymyr Zelensky, Xi Jinping, Chris Hipkins, etc. Abdication: King Charles III. Deceased: George H.W. Bush, Shinzo Abe. Deceased, future: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton. Deceased, future: Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, Dianne Feinstein, Jerry Nadler. Rerignations: General Milley, Mitch McConnel, Merrick Garland, Christopher Wray, Mark Zuckerberg, Eric Swalwell. Indictments: Bill Gates, Susan Rice, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Boris Johnson

[@mattutley4592]

I'd suggest reading up on the "Celtic Tiger" of Ireland. It bares similarities of what's talked out in this video and you also see some of the fallout you speak of.

[@ryanalbrecht3331]

Great video, side note, the audio is definitely different at higher altitudes no? i mean makes sense but noticable?

[@emptee2520]

Another factor to consider is the “twice the Chinese population” estimate is based on the official population statistic of 1.4 billion. Three separate recent studies estimate the actual population to be from 800 to 900 million. So it’s closer to triple.

[@antred11]

Really? Is it really plausible that they could have overcounted / lied to SUCH a ridiculous degree? 🤔

[@logician3641]

300 million died from Covid

[@anglaismoyen]

800 to 900 million seems like an overcorrection. The estimates I've heard are more like 1.2 billion.

[@LordElja]

@@antred11 It's possible they lied about deaths more than overcounting the live population.

[@scipioluis302]

haha, you're brainwashed by China, the actual population of China should be from 80 to 90 million.

[@moosefactory133]

And I use to think the Chinese economy was unstoppable. How little did I know.

[@CHixon]

Yea, they're going to overtake us haha.

[@gaborszabo3110]

Hope it is not unstoppable as it will soon turn into a war economy, just look at crazy russia. The end of a dictatorship is always a war, hopefully in the case of china it will be only a civil one, not against other countries. Or dictatorships maybe just melt down like in the case of ussr, but I think that was just a once in a blue moon occasion - also linked closely to the war against afghanistan.

[@PleaseGetReal]

It is still unstoppable , kid ! Just look at the widening trade gap between China and US !

[@chosk80]

@@CHixon America Economy is extremely Robust. Take a look at Philadelphia last 12 hours. So many people buying I Phone 15 Pros.

[@HailAzathoth]

top kek @@PleaseGetReal

[@terryevans2265]

Love to see you do a show from Kensington.

[@joshbagley1959]

Peter, what's your take, then, on where China and their government goes from this point? From the point of collapse of their system? My concern is they create a war to distract and also start actively calling in their loans to seize resources and valuable assets they have "acquired" around the globe. What are your thoughts on how things end up there and impacts to the US and the rest of the world?

[@geodive5542]

Hi Peter, Correct me if I am wrong. I have an issue with a statement of your regarding the difference between the housing market crash of '08 and the current Chinese market crash. You mention that the US only had an over build rate of around 5%. However from what I understand the sub prime mortgages granted to the vast majority of people during the US housing market bubble were primarily done on credit and not cash basis. According to you the Chinese have primarily sunk savings into these forms of housing .From my own intuition, this should technically cause less of a problem from a standard of living and unemployment rate perspective than the housing market would have as it is not corporate finance, additionally the vast majority of Chinese citizens would not have received yields on these properties from a "house flipping" standpoint. Hence I stand to be corrected but it does not make sense to me for there to be that large of a "bailout" as the bailout was already absorbed by the local populace. The only thing I can personally see happening is a generalized drop in personal net worth but this would not necessarily affect GDP other than with issues related to being able to access credit. As this would be personal credit for the most part and not primarily corporate credit as it was during the housing market crash of '08. This should technically affect a smaller % of the population than you expect. Additionally I find another factor people are not considering with regards to the Chinese is the way in which their manufacturing/construction system works. That is essentially to produce as many units as possible to bring down the overall cost per unit item. Essentially "Economies of Scale" concept for simplicity. I stand to be corrected but from what I understand according to your statement. The vast majority of these projects were created with free cashflow and not "tactical maneuvering" of the entire financial system as it was in the US. At the most I would interpret the Chinese housing market bubble as a Ponzi scheme equivalent at best. Not the mention that the Chinese population size is essentially 4 times the size of the US. Not to mention the overall lower cost of living and the fact that the Chinese produce a fair amount of their own goods in house (Baring primarily agricultural goods). Overall I think it will be a lot easier for them to recover than some might expect. I stand to be corrected but just from my own logic, this would make a lot more sense.

[@geodive5542]

@jackjones4824 I understand. With the corporate finance bit, I am referring to the fact that the money used to finance houses during the subprime era prior to the US housing market crash was essentially comprised of made up corporate credit due to over leveraged and compounded derivate loan assets that the banks lent to housing applicants instead of it being actual saved up cash as in the case of the Chinese housing crisis. Hope that helps.

[@geodive5542]

@jackjones4824 According to Peter he estimates that the fallout from this is going to be worse than '08. I am actually stating that I think it would be equivalent or less than the crash of '08. So technically agreeing with you.

[@kennethferland5579]

You make some good points, the unrealized loss is mostly held by households right now and when it is realized it will reduce household networth. The percived need for bailout will be from the CCP to thouse households and particularly to their retirement nest-egg that the housing represented. Either that bailout can come in some form of alternative household networth (like a proper old age pension) or in some form of home value proping up. The later is more likely because it would allow the whole construction racket to keep going and that is a big part of GDP and local government revenue that the CCP will not want to lose.

[@geodive5542]

@@kennethferland5579 Thanks for adding the additional information. Your points would make a bit more sense as to how it would have a more significant impact. I need to read into the local government revenue bit more as I do not known about the exact specifics of how their property rates and tax system works there.

[@AdaptableAutonomousHouse]

Canceling business innovation cycles is destructive in any country and political system

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

That's usa collapse

[@ej8365]

Keep talking about it. I have been watching and waiting...🤣🤣

[@williamhagen2792]

You have concisely said what most others are too timid or too dull to say.

[@chrisperkins7331]

Thanks for this, but a couple of questions. Could you increase the volume it is very low. The other question with all the debt around the world, who do you thinks owns it? We know that most Japanese debt is owned by its citizens, but what about the rest of the world?

[@bentobias8754]

I'm curious about the connection between China's imminent housing collapse and the Belt & Road Initiative. Will the latter help to soften the blow of the former? Will debtor nations renege on their obligations? I feel like Peter Z. has talked about this in the past, but this vid brings that back into focus for me.

[@kopkaljdsao]

China is propping friendly dictatorships and corrupt leaders. Those will stick up for China. If China keeps committing crimes against humanity and wolf warrior diplomacy, however...Well when some nations start sanctioning China! What better way to sanction someone, then stop paying your debt?

[@alex_tahiti]

Belt & Road Initiative is a dead end. Too many countries with instabilities. The route proposed in the last G20 seems more promising

[@doujinflip]

There's already a lot of criticism among Chinese themselves about all the BRI-related loans to other countries when they could be investing at home. There's a reason Chinese-language media doesn't talk about how much money is being spent on foreign aid.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Source ? Proof?

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

​@@alex_tahitisource ?

[@mprevs]

OMG! Thanks, Peter! So appreciate that you explain things that I can understand.

[@JonySmith-bb4gx]

Source

[@winewoman224]

I’m new to your site and need to say your views on the global economy and geopolitical pressures is a fabulous breath of fresh air. Not that the news is good these days, but an educated rational view of the situation is very needed. Thank you.

[@jwatkins672012]

In future video can you go over the impact of the Jone's act on the price of gasoline in east-northeast US and what impact repealing the act would have economically, politically, and environmentally. Thanks. Always very informative videos.

[@brendenharris8858]

hey, as an aussie, i havent heard lately, has there been noises in parliament to repeal the jones act?

[@Cowboy.underwater]

@@brendenharris8858 the only place I ever hear about the jones act is on this channel. I doubt half of congress even knows what it is.

[@johnpombrio]

Jones Act is a problem but not with gasoline. Pretty much all gas is piped to the northeast from the Gulf coast.

[@brianhillier7052]

another excellent video!! love listening to your insights Peter. Thankyou.

[@clbrodrigue]

Hey like the contact. The video sound was low. Had trouble hearing you.

[@_Pyroon_]

As far as i'm aware, owning your own house equates to a 70 year lease from the gov.

[@doujinflip]

The way they're built though, they'd be lucky to still be a salable property in 70 years.

[@MortgagesByDarrell]

Peter - Can you comment on the impact to the US if the Chinese economy collapses. As a Mortgage guy, I've seen terrible news as a reason to get ready for lower interest rates. However, I'm not so sure that would happen this time. If products made in China stop arriving, it could cause higher prices for many of those goods which is an inflationary pressure. What are your thoughts on how these events will effect America?

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood ofahard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landingin China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing in China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landingin China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007.TIME:Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid ahard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009 Fortune: China's hard landing China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013 Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 201 5 Forbes: Congratulations, J You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Cathie Wood: China's COLLAPSE Is FAR Worse Than Vou Think

[@zacmorri]

Peter, I recently finished your latest book and i was sad after, it's a great read, very absorbing. I have a question- what do you make of the 6 trillion in bonds that the Chinese have, and a much broader question - what might happen to the Chinese economy of the us dollar loses its value significantly? My thinking is that a large population can produce more value than what it's GDP implies, just because GDP is always based off of USD.

[@ryanshout8652]

Interesting question - I don't know the answer. The guess I would hazard is that - if the USD lost value - then the purchasing power of the worlds largest consumer base would decrease resulting in Americans buying fewer Chinese imported goods - resulting in an acceleration of the Chinese system's demise.

[@shounnc]

since trade is quoted in dollars, all the raw materials needed by the (chinese quoted in USD) will be affected - to the upside or downside, we can only speculate. A breakdown in the western financial system ( and so the dollar) will cause weaker economies ( especially those without strong domestic markets) to collapse against it.

[@johnpombrio]

6 Trillion dollars? WTH, China's ownership of US debt is $684 billion and is down 30% since 2018. That is just 2% of US Debt. Japan owns more US Treasuries than China. China could go to zero and the US would not even notice. As for the collapse of the dollar, it is THE WORLDS currency reserve and is about a stable as it gets. Where DO people get their amazingly wrong facts from?

[@wv9529]

if the US dollar losses its value it would be a massive wealth transfer from owner of dollars to producer of dollars. So savings wether from locals or foreigners would dwindle and producers with debtors would benefit. On a geopolitical basis it means holders of dollars would be loosers. So its great in the short term. The problem is that in the long term no one wants your dollars because they dont trust you will be honest with their value. That aside i can also trigger a financial metldown because financial systems cannot handle huge shifts in wealth ownership and they tend to paralyze meaning resources stop flowing, meaning no one can produce anything.

[@MichaelScottVaughnTheSecond]

Hey Zacmorri, if your curious what a deflating currency looks like, go look at the Yuan or the Russian Ruble. You may also look at the Argentine Peso, as well as the Turkish Lira, and a few other places. (I'd mostly just look at BRIC's minus India, to see what currencies are losing value and what it looks like.) Currently the opposite of your question is happening. The USD is becoming stronger in comparison to all of these places, as the USD gets stronger, Non-USD using nations inflation and imbalances of their budgets increase, i.e. 1 USD is now worth 100 rubles, meaning instead of selling a product to the world market for 150 rubles/1.5 USD a year ago would now look like 200 rubles/1 USD. Everything inflates in price for the economy that's currency loses value. GDP may be based off of USD, but the USD is based off of economic activity. The two are entirely connected. It feels as though your question answers itself. If the USD lost value, then the entire planet would probably lose out. I'm imagining world trade shutting down, supply lines deteriorating to worse conditions then before World War II, as well as insane culture and race wars. Alas the Worlds IQ would probably drop just as hard as the USD drops. Education, Innovation, all of it ruined and stifled. No more new phones or computers. No more new cars or technologically advanced toys, etc. We would simply lose the ability to do everything the World Economy is set up to do. (Again, look at Nations not connected to the USD. North Korea, and Revolutionary Iran, Russia is going their direction with China as well; are probably the two best examples of this.) By the way China went from over a trillion USD in US Treasury Bonds to 800 Billion, probably less the that by now. Here is a question for you, what happens when the US stops borrowing money from China and their Treasury Bonds go to 0? They also stopped paying their foreign held bonds. If you still have anything in China, just call it a wrap. It belongs to the CCP now. There is another option, if the USD loses value based off of commodities becoming cheaper, I.E. labor and energy are the biggest factors, we would then see the average USD users standard of living sky rocket as the prices fall. So, if the labour market shrinks to no unemployed and also the commodity pricing tanks, we end up with this result. Everyone looking for jobs taking whatever pay with that whatever pay being able to pay for whatever they need, and over producing it. Economies are extremely complicated and it goes much deeper, but this is enough surface level stuff that I think anyone reading this could go look into the finer details of each and every area they find interesting. It's quite simple if you look at it from the inflation perspective. Love from California

[@russell3038]

Best analysis on this situation in brief I’ve heard. Thanks Pete!

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Agreed . Best fake news ever😂

[@russell3038]

@@jacksmith-mu3ee yes, the CCP have certainly mastered the art of fake news, you’re right!!

[@foxp3769]

Love it . I love it how it is going to shake out.

[@kyleredfearn96]

I want to see a debate between Zeihan and Ray Dalio. One predicts Chinese collapse, the other predicts it will become the next super power.

[@donaldkasper8346]

Japan and Korea are each run by around 6 families. When Japan speculation due to implicit government guarantees in the stock market collapsed, none of the families would take the economic writeoff and become poor, so all the nonperforming assets like steel production just stayed on the books forever, preventing economic growth. That is what actually happened.

[@gdaqian]

many here had the same experience and observation as i did was once given a two level four bedrooms luxury apt in a new building to live in stayed on and off for a year. bathrooms smelled due to wrong plumbing. wall peeled leaving nasty crumples. the entire building had another resident there were many many buildings in the surrounding areas, few lighted rooms during night its more than a decade ago. the thought out of that experience was: building compounds are not communities

[@doujinflip]

Just left China earlier this year. Not missing the diarrhea-colored tap water even within the 4th Ring of Běijīng.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt. 1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing 1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth. 1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood ofahard landing for the Chinese economy. 2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. 2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landingin China. 2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing 2003. KWR International: How to find a soft landing in China. 2004. The Economist: The great fall of China? 2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landingin China 2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007.TIME:Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid ahard landing? 2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China? 2009 Fortune: China's hard landing China must find a way to recover. 2010. Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China. 2011. Business Insider: A Chinese 2012. American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing 2013 Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China 2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China. 201 5 Forbes: Congratulations, J You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing 2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China 2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash? 2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis 2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started? 2022. Cathie Wood: China's COLLAPSE Is FAR Worse Than Vou Think

[@pandjichristian7872]

I remember I was travelling towards Jiangsu province (nearly 3 hours fast train from Shanghai). I was shown rows and rows of empty apartments. It wasn’t looking like they are built in economic centres. Even in the middle of Danyang city (a lower class city in Jiangsu) there was a new public service building (government admin) that was still empty they say - it’s coming, it’s gonna be full etc. I only think about the people though - the regular person trying to get ahead. I hope it’s not a crash landing.