The Chinese Might Be Hiding Something BIG

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[@justins340]

Evil Liberty Prime be like "better red than dead"

[@RoachAndRizla]

Evil Liberty Prime is the regular one.

[@DanskerneFraDanmark]

@@RoachAndRizla its not is the good one

[@Pixel22-fs3tt]

I do actually remember seeing someone's take on what a Commuist Liberty Prime style robot would say and it was quite interesting

[@bruhbrehii]

@@RoachAndRizla Neither are technically evil, just following what they were programmed to do.

[@guavamax420]

or Chinese "Liberty Prime"

[@anyaarvidsson3038]

If i remember correctly the Desert Ranger Armor is pre-war military-police armor that was simply favored by the Desert Rangers

[@Redblack_hand]

I was about to write this myself but yes you are correct it was used by military and police as riot gear as a alternative due to low reserves of power armor due to most being sent to the east coast and on the front in China.

[@YeeMacghyee]

You gotta realize that likely means only the body armor and helmet/gasmask assembly would be known. The duster coat, pants, and boots would be completely unknown to anyone pre-NCR

[@anyaarvidsson3038]

@@YeeMacghyee of-course the pants and boots are an NCR addition they are literally Jeans and normal leather boots though based on the looks of the Riot Armor and the Ranger Armor it looks like Ranger Dusters are quite simple and cheap compared to the Duster of the Old-World Riot Armor, likely due to the original dusters falling apart from long use by the Rangers themselves and they have over time replaced them with post-war reproductions (real world reason being that the Riot gear in Lonesome Road got a lot more love)

[@rrenkrieg7988]

it's literally LAPD SWAT/Riot Gear you can see it on the chestpiece of the Ranger Combat Armor

[@mr.toastr.8768]

I was about to comment this thanks for doing it already

[@Sigma-gb9yd]

It is honestly far more likely that the Chinese didn't have this great robot, and that what we see is just propaganda to convince the public to let the US government create Liberty Prime. As for the power armor, it is also more likely that they just captured a few frames, made their own armor, then didn't get to finish it before the bombs dropped.

[@RobotsRadio]

Totally. That's the more likely explanation, but it's fun to consider the other options. ;)

[@hanchiman]

I assumed the Chinese used the "Spy Sneaking Suit" for the elites Spec Ops to disrupt enemy line. Meanwhile in FO lore, the Chinese still used the normal "Human Wave attack" with normal infantry without any fancy Power Armors. Think Operation Anchorage was basically based on the Korean War.

[@mbrad9379]

China has a reputation in our real world of stealing creations and cheaply mass producing them so yes, I can see them using espionage to steal the plans and produce one themselves or several before the US finished the production of one.

[@Robb1977]

It would work alot like how America ended up creating the nuclear bomb. The nazis had written nuclear theories off as "jewish science" but thanks to a nudge of convincing and advocacy, the USA rushed to fund a project involving nuclear power. They kept the ultimate goal secret of course, but even when spies revealed any attempt the nazis were working on a nuke had almost entirely halted by 1943... America pushed on assuming that they could have it any day.

[@5959Luc]

Since it's based on the excavator power armor, designed for civilian applications, it seems more likely the spies in Appalachia just found some and used it. Probably after the war, as you also can see their flags everywhere and visit their bunkers, one under a food company.

[@marek1shtar538]

I always imagined the propaganda with the giant robots being a projection by the US government because they were the people actually building the giant robot

[@Kingcobra6699]

Were they? I mean, sure they were developing robots but not of that size.

[@marek1shtar538]

@@Kingcobra6699 im refering to the US government building Liberty Prime

[@kereymckenna4611]

Wouldn't be surprised If it turns out that a giant robot arms race happens "Gentleman we cannot afford a GIANT KILLER ROBOT gap"

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

Why would they really need propaganda to like "shift the blame" if the Chinese were already actively at war? No point blaming the Chinese at that point

[@marek1shtar538]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg Um.. Propaganda is used to both demonize the enemy and make sure the people are with the cause. Like Propaganda has been used in almost every war in history, as well as many other things. its no doubt the american government was using propaganda in Fallout during the conflict against the Chinese

[@Archeota]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="721">12:01</a> The Ranger armor is pre war, used by marines in the Gobi campaign and later as Riot Gear. The ranger armor in game even has markings for it being local riot gear. The Desert Rangers used it for a long time until its adoption by the NCR in the unification treaty in the 2270s.

[@Berskavo]

Thank you! So many "fans" overlook this lore despite it being in New Vegas the whole time. smh

[@N0M4D3-75]

Sgt Vickers. I wonder what happened to him before Randall found his armour back home.

[@kilowolf5488]

The war machine is their war economy. It's actually a fairly common saying. The German army in WW2 was often referred to as the Nazi war machine.

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

I know you're right but I like the idea of giant robots better

[@ArandomPerson7996]

Exactly

[@Wizard080]

I’d assume the Chinese were redesigning the armour pieces and were just using Power armour frames that they captured from the US, since raiders have done the same with scrap.

[@nilsmadej9091]

The robot on the poster is a personification of the "Chinese war MACHINE". It doesn't mean that there is a giant Chinese robot, it was just supposed to look imposing and fit the message. When it comes to power armour it most likely exists, the way that the US copied the stealth suits. I might remember it wrong but I think power armours were introduced to combat for the first time in Alaska but I might be wrong on this fact.

[@DafodilWorkshopProductions]

They were. First, it was the t45, and then they changed to the t51b. I'm pretty sure we were losing the war until we introduced power armor.

[@LordDaret]

The Alaska campaign was to either have Power Armour or have Liberty Prime as supporting fire in the battles, and the armour finished first. That’s why Liberty Prime was decommissioned too.

[@Binary79]

Yeah, always liked to imagine the Chinese having their own version of Liberty Prime. The FO76 Red Shift power armor skin is probably the closest we will get.

[@Loreweavver]

I had a thought the other day about the mannequin. What if the Chinese had been developing synth tech pre war? Not all of the mannequin would be alive but a shipment of spy robots may have been sent over on a cargo ship to be sent to various locations as spies in plain sight and maybe even have a sleeper agent aspect that could activate them as combatants.

[@rafiurrahman7016]

Holy shit. That makes a lot of sense.

[@Loreweavver]

Huh... I'm not done with the fallout TV series but was I accidentally onto something...?

[@ajflink]

And some just malfunction and sprung to life briefly causing unexplained incidents like being located and very bizarre locations, even if Raiders decided to move them around, evidence seeming to pointing them committing brutal murders, and responsible for sinking a ship near Far Harbor.

[@Loreweavver]

@@ajflink they wouldn't have had any input since the war unless there was outside intervention. Sounds like a missed quest line opportunity that grants Chinese stealth armor at the end.

[@BigShaggyUnsungHero]

Could be one of the couple of chinese radio signals that you pick up throughout the games that feed the information back and is on loop. Deteriorating over time, starts sending weird signals that cause the especially weird scenes. I dig this a lot! @Loreweavver

[@bombchus]

I could definitely see this big mech being used In India, Japan, or Russia Where The Chinese military has an established battlefront and supply lines. It seems to me like the Alaska campaign was more like a raid To destroy the United States ability to invade (from) Alaska. Not china's invasion of north America.

[@Jackelmandingo]

The NCR's Desert Ranger combat armor was "A USMC-issued armor boasting a desert camouflage pattern from the same manufacturer as the L.A.P.D. riot armor, worn with a matching military helmet with built-in low light optics, a combination infrared/white light lamp and gas mask, an olive green duster and a pair of worn-out khaki pants."

[@limehuzki]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="235">3:55</a> lots of the Chinese robots in fallout 76

[@stag6161]

It can't be called Liberty prime i guess that makes it "Collective Prime"? Or Peoples prime would be more accurate

[@mountainmanmike1014]

Mega Mo

[@twistedyogert]

The red menace?

[@stag6161]

@twistedyogert Yea you got it!

[@BrodysBettas]

CCPrime

[@ctnke]

Amazon Prime

[@lane-_-mass5006]

The chinese power armor in 76 has a description stating it is well onpar with T-45 and its was to late to effect the war wich i like the idea of cause it could imply they captured a frame or two

[@Robb1977]

I feel like it makes the most sense for it to be retro-fit T-45. Keep the frame, and up-armor it, or modify the armor and gear to be more compatible with your tech. Maybe they actually captured some T-51 sets, but couldnt meet the power demand? It could also be made by infiltrators: an attempt to go toe-toe with American Power armor, or more likely: provide an edge over the softer targets in NBC gear.

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Probably means that maybe it was a real set of power amror but the nukes kinda made it never see the light of day

[@lane-_-mass5006]

@@Robb1977 im assuming they had captured maybe some T51 and T45 but the chinese armor seems to be a design they made for the power armor frames wich makes sense for them to put together there own suit with there own tech

[@lane-_-mass5006]

@@silverbloodborne9495 honestly the nukes prolly didnt touch the chinese power armor and more likely the chinese suits are simply captured frames with theyre own armor prolly used to help give a edge to the chinese

[@SwankyKitteh82]

Highly unlikely, due to one major factor. Liberty Prime himself was considered a failed project for his time, Pre-War. It was only during the events of Fallout 3 that Doctor Li managed to solve the massive problem of Prime's power consumption needs that the project was later salvaged and ultimately successful.

[@mastergmoore]

I think the PLA had limited amounts of power armor. I also think they had the big bots first. They had tanks and that ion field in Anchorage. There’s also way too much PLA surplus uniforms and weapons in the DC wasteland to assume the war was going to end anyway. The US were also using a full force of power armored marines in China by the end also. Makes sense that the power armor was reverse engineered by the Chinese, and subsequently Liberty Prime was reverse engineered from PLA Prime. I think the PLA hit Anchorage gun batteries hard with their big bots first, which caused them to lose a handful but allowed their massive infantry and tank reserves to push way deeper than they could’ve without. In the process of creating a two front war the PLA failed to withdraw the remains of their big bots which were destroyed or damaged. Thus they were captured and the US tried to build their own. But by the time the LP program had any margin of success it was way too late, and by the time the Chinese had began production of their power armor to throw off the US invasion, it was also too late. Power armor marine battalions were outside Beijing and the PLA was literally in DC with submarine artillery on standby. Kind of sad but both sides probably pushed the button at the same time out of panic and paranoia realizing the end was near without any retaliation at all.

[@katanah3195]

Yeah, there's so much damn commie stuff in the wasteland that we know the spies and sleepers on both sides were getting bolder and the war was ramping up, personally I've never thought much about it, just liked that I could dress my character up in commie gear and no one really minded.

[@mbrad9379]

China I known for cheaply mass producing stolen ideas so yes I can see them using thier stealth technology to steal the plans for liberty prime and producing thier own version or several before the US could finish thier own.

[@anthonytoledo7744]

That's some good material you provided, but the tv series revealed that vault-tec was the one that pushed the button for nuclear devastation.

[@deathtrooper7760]

even back in fallout 3, in the crater of megaton there is a vault tec nuke so since then people gussed that vault tec were the reason for the war and not that both sides pressed the button at the same time. even if we let vault tec out of the picture the US didn´t really know about the chinese in DC havin there infiltrater running around and the uboat befor the coast of boston in F4. in there mind they finally freed american soil from an invasion and now could throw everything on the chinese mainland

[@DeathSocrates]

Fallout lore usually references pop culture or real life. So, maybe you should look into if the Chinese worked on walking mechs, like the US did.

[@tay-pproductions5725]

I mean the pulse gun or whatever could be used against stealth if it wanted to be realistic. Active camp would probably have a lot of computer components. Considering that active camouflage is impossible today

[@Snow.Frostborne_Ch]

Ranger armour is pre-war in nature. It's riot police armour, a neat detail on the 76 version is on the chest you see CPD (Charleston police department) instead of LAPD

[@willgillies5670]

In my own headcanon, Chinese power armor was based on stolen designs for T-49 , ( the Storytellers armor. ) T-49 was developed as way of addressing many of t-45s flaws, using lighter metal alloys and other refinements. Only a few prototypes of T-49 were initially built, but in the end, T-49 was not put into full production due to infiltration and espionage at West-Tek, compromising the design and exposing flaws to the Chinese. T-49 was only meant as a stopgap between T-45 and T-51 whilst the poly-laminate composite armour was in development , but it did yield some reults. Improvements made to T-49 were put into upgraded T-45 models and much of T-49 was used as the basis for T-60. Some later revised T-49 models were developed for consideration in use by the Marines, but this plan wasn't put into action after the bombs dropped in 2077 .

[@willgillies5670]

Chinese power armor looks like it used similar PA frames, and uses T-45 style steel plates but more resembles a more bulky T-51.

[@willgillies5670]

Chinese Power Armor could like Germany making the MP 3008 which was a German last ditch submachine gun manufactured towards the end of World War II in early 1945. The weapon was blatantly a rip off Sten Mk II submachine gun, except for its vertical magazine; some had additional pistol grips. Essentially they took the most basic no frills SMG design made by Britain and copied it virtually identically, bar a few minor alterations. It was reverse engineering from captured Stens. I imagine a lab in China with captured T-45s and 51s, all dismantled.

[@src6339]

Well, liberty prime was a mothballed resource intensive failure that was a poor fit for the canonical resource war. As such, the giant robot was put in cold storage, and assets diverted to more sustainable assets like power armour. Liberty prime was only ever deployed by the brotherhood of steel, who recovered the non functional machine and completed its manufacture years after the fact. In effect, liberty prime was really more of a propaganda tool than a military asset. Given that in lore, the Chinese were even more desperate for fuel than even the Americans, they were less well suited to deploy technological material to the battlfield than they were to utilise intelligence & man power assets. Given the nature of the conflict that is actually a more advantageous place to be in strategically, if not tatically. It might even be the inspiration behind ceasars choice to deploy melee units in new Vegas (although in that case its definately a mistake. Different conflict, differentsituations etc.) As such It would take a major retcon to make giant Chinese robots and powered armour more than American propoganda designed to stir up fear of the red menace in the american population at home. (Inkeeping with the franchises persistant social engineering themes) More practically, the Chinese are more effective within the setting if they aren't dependent on resource intensive weaponry, putting additional logistical burden on their deployments. Hypothetically long term projections by the Americans might well have even predicted a first strike nuclear escalation was their only chance for victory long term as their own resource intensive military became increasingly starved of resources whilst the chinese maintained the same level of operational efficiency. In short if any sides strategy revolved around resource driven experimental robotic assets and they ran out of fuel? broke down, or were otherwise immobilised? Pack it up, boys. Offensives over. Try not to get captured. Big robots and vehicals were technologically possible within the setting but ultimately impractical. The US recognised this and put prime on ice. I imagine that the Chinese would to. That being said fallout is leaning more rustpunk fantasy and less post apocalypse sci-fi with every release so expect to see a nonsense rule of cool, rock em sock em retconne next dlc I guess. 🤔

[@ErikGalactic]

What about the tiny Red Chinese bots found at the start of 76? They were airdropped to blast propaganda

[@DafodilWorkshopProductions]

Warmachine doesn't mean a literal machine for war. It's a phrase used to describe the military of an enemy country.

[@FalloutLorecast]

Yes, you're correct. This video explores the concept that it might mean both.

[@Jesus_Offical]

Finnaly Proletarian Prime

[@macshaffner6273]

Jesus what is your favorite fallout faction?

[@Jesus_Offical]

@@macshaffner6273 the NCR All hail the peoples republic 🫡

[@macshaffner6273]

@@Jesus_Offical hell yeah!

[@wyattparker120]

I’m pro America building a giant robot

[@wyattparker120]

I understand I shouldn’t be, that’s what propaganda is. But if they walked a liberty prime rn in a parade I’d be kinda down

[@shadowpoet4398]

@wayattparker - Yes you should... You should because it's NORMAL! 😖

[@richardarriaga6271]

Drones are where it's at. A swarm of drones would overwhelm any robot, ship, infantry formation, or tank group.

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

I need to find it but I recall having a DM with the designer of the communist PA, I found my old post sharing what they said, but not my screencap yet. “The concept artist for the t-65 and many other wastelanders objects designed it for the expansion. It’s a modified blueprint for the excavator suit factory you use in one of the quests, and it wasn’t finished in time to be used on the commander. It went over several revisions, including one that had the hat built onto the helmet, a more obviously excavator one, and a liberator inspired look- possibly made from Excavators/Liberator parts.”

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

Enjoy the scoop, I don’t think I’ve ever shared this screencap before. The topic of the remnants interests me, which is why I watched this vid. Figured I’d share my relevant evidence. media.discordapp.net/attachments/879527280324522044/1222593606217367654/IMG_9212.png

[@TheVenomousBeetle]

Added the info to the wiki.

[@DustinBarlow8P]

Dude if the Government asked me what percentage of my taxes do I want to go towards building a giant mech? I am saying 100% 10 out of 10 times!

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Give me power armor

[@tylerainsworth4542]

The chinese power armour was atom shop... Which is mostly not lore though...

[@zelouskight24]

Finally someone is talking about the thumbnail robot. I have been asking about this in multiple channels and Reddits and no one wanted to even acknowledge it.

[@punadoretirado01]

In Fallout 4, in the beginning if you see the news in the TV they say that the front in China is paralized and becamo in a stalemate. Maybe the chinese designed new weapons to counter the americans.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1360">22:40</a> as far as i know it's a standard military thing to make a counter-measure to a specialized weapon, so that in case it's intercepted by an enemy it can be neutralized.

[@twistedyogert]

The thing about power armor and Liberty Prime himself is they were massive energy hogs. Both require fusion reactions to run. Did China have fusion reactors at the time of the Sino-American war?

[@video-luver769]

It's entirely possible that they might have reverse-engineered a fusion reactor. We know the Chinese had hundreds, possibly even thousands, of undercover agents in the US. The Shi from 1, L.O.B. Enterprises in 3, Mama Dolce's in 3 and 4, spies in Point Lookout in 3... So many spies everywhere, it's a mathematical certainty they had to have stolen fusion tech at some point.

[@edu7979]

considering they went after alaska almost exclusively due to there still being petrol there theres certainly a chance they didnt

[@krzosu]

Warmachine can also mean "military industrial complex" - so a phrase "their warmachine is mobilising lets prepare ours" can literally mean - lets ramp up our own military industrial complex mening lets ramp up our own economy into wartime economy. On top of that china was somewhat behind in terms of robotics in comparison to the USA - so i would assume they were not capable of making that advanced robotics - heck they were terrified of the smaller US robots on the battlefield because that was a problem that was taking a lot of heavy weapons to deal with and if their communist gov was anything similiar to our own contemporary communist china then i bet the will to make a giant robot was there but they lacked the means and know-how to do so.

[@RosebudDelicious]

Sole survivor was the guy laughing at the execution in Fallout 1. He never mentioned Alaska being that bad or any Chinese warmachines.

[@WyverndalesMercy]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="660">11:00</a> It’s stated in multiple games before 76 was out that the Chinese Salvaged American T-45 to make their own power armor

[@elijahmashter9587]

9/10 Not biased Good explanation Decent visual content Properly sourced material Knowledge of the entire fallout franchise I especially loved that you brought up the pulse pistol and how its literally only for robots, but don't forget the flamer pistol 😂

[@Canoby]

The Collectivist Prime gameplay mashup is 1337, we need more stuff like that on the internet

[@redcamaro9401]

China didn't have fusion tech, right? Don't think functional death robots or power armor would have been combat ready.

[@oogaliboogali223]

the modus terminal guy looks like Dale gribble

[@Neuralatrophy]

EMP would potentially disable stealth as well, given the prevalence of robots in the fallout lore it can be assumed that their main forces might also be accompanied by robots though it might seem their main focus was on small electronics to augment their ground troops.

[@Jakesnake303]

"Democracy is non-negotiable."

[@Tomyironmane]

The anchorage sim also has comments on terminals suggesting it is some general's ego project, or worse

[@MrBennytime]

I'd imagine they used the pulse weapons to disable turret bunkers like the ones you saw in the anchorage DLC. Might also disable the cloaking fields of the stealth suits to help combat against dragoons. The Us Government might have even made them in case an attempted military coup by Rob-co was ever a concern. House always did have big goals afterall, he was aiming to succeed in interstellar travel which the enclave (former US govt.) failed to achieve. Who knows for real?, They might have been used in case a targeting sensor on a gutsy, assaultron or sentrybot got damaged in the field, so they could just pop it once to disable it.

[@Eras907]

i figured the pulse pistol was a 'just in case our bots go berserk' since programming in robots where wonky as hell

[@johnthomson3827]

that title threw me through a loop. i thought you meant that china was actually trying to build something equivalent to liberty prime lol

[@nichthompson]

Good stuff. Many thanks

[@TankGuy3]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="710">11:50</a> It can also be Riot Armor from the Lonesome Road DLC in New Vegas. Which would make sense with the mining riots in Appalachia before the bombs. The naming is the only real issue. Ranger armor vs riot armor.

[@CNMN-np4zf]

If you look at how the Liberty prime kills a Behemoth he snaps it neck by grabbing it, maybe the chinese robots where a little smaller, and Liberty prime recognized the behemoth as one of those robots.

[@bumonthecorner13]

All that NCR Ranger armor is , is some old-world riot armor with a leather duster over top.... Did you not know that?

[@coziesthades1711]

Considering how difficult it was for the US to build Liberty Prime I doubt the Chinese had the tech or even the resources to build anything close to that so I believe the poster isn’t showing a giant robot but a Chinese equivalent to an Assaultron or Sentry bot, this would also explain why the power armor looks like it does as it’s easier to repurpose a sentry bot sized head into a power armor helmet than the head of a 40ft tall robot

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Scetchy! Especially since Liberty Prime was a secret project if I remember this right, especially since they didn't get it to work!

[@ajohnson7860]

I thought it was more metaphorical with the robot being a representation of Chinese industrial power more so than a literal robot

[@jujufraud7467]

I like your thinking! Its a good theory.

[@CD-CH-EB]

Actually the t51 has shielding from pulse weaponry and is able to survive an EMP from a nuclear bomb as where the t45 is not. Probably Liberty prime has that same shielding. I can't imagine they would make such an obvious oversight as in casing it in a Faraday cage. However, as as usual the communications array would probably be subjectable to a pulse weapon. But it may be very well possible for them to make a communications array that doesn't fry in the fallout universe. Who knows

[@jordanmagpiebullet7978]

One new sub two amazing just Fallout Lorecast keep it up and three can I ask you something as a follow Fallout fan?

[@ultramrvn4280]

If I remember right, F76 atom shop stuff (like the chinese power armor & etc) isn't cannon.

[@stan7422]

The NRC armor was just a Riot armor with a coat

[@milastarr4347]

The very little we know about Fallout: Elite shows that we would have went to China due to a "New nuclear weapon". Most likely something like a giant machine or something else, but definitely not just another nuke.

[@markusallen6818]

I shall call it Unity Omega Giant robot fight!!!!

[@ATF1430]

I think fallout should make a game where u r a spec ops soldier in Alaska and China before the bombs dropped that could have been similar to ghost recon or sum

[@x_hibernia]

Well the original sentry bots were one and a half storeys tall plus this was Bethesda that put that robot in not obsidian

[@PormithipicusProductions]

God I love the pfhor style lenses

[@user-nm1om1ki6z]

I’ve had 1 questions since the mention of the Chinese power armor, what if (and this is what I dub it) the Chinese prime is just the power armor

[@Quottidomin13]

There's was a clue for 76 been a simulation but it ended up been something else for a story not related to simulation, that been the "Nothing is Real" graffiti.

[@SgtCandy]

It makes more sense imo to have the Chinese robots be power armour sized rather than comparable to Liberty Prime. It was likely that after encountering American power armour the PLA reasoned that given the logistics in Alaska the best counter to power armour was their own (like the German army and their OG tank programs). But since even with rushing that would take a while they moved forward a parallel robotics project that would take some of what they were making for a human-rated suit now without needing to make it safe to wear and not kill the pilot like that poor marine bastard in Halo. They'd have the benefit of field-testing components/configurations for the human rated suits and would likely end up with interchangeable parts for them as well. It also just makes sense given that Liberty Prime would've been even bigger than it was to presumably beat a massive PLA robotic legion, though that's not guaranteed as the US did try the quality over quantity approach.

[@montgomeryfortenberry]

Im just going to assume warmachine is the metaphorical "warmachine" and not referring to a specific robot/machine/weapon.

[@CD-CH-EB]

So I don't want to sound hypercritical here, pulse weapons don't simply turn the robot off. They overload and fry the circuits. With each hit high amounts of current slowly wear out the resistors, switches, relays, and diodes. And copper wire can only handle so much heat before it begins to melt, and as it begins to melt, it's resistance increases causing a sudden thermal runaway. So that's how EMP based weapons work

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Wasn't the Chinese Hei Gui suit built in response to the American Power Armor?

[@TheMadsav1993]

Form the tv show I think it was a bearly won the anchorage battle

[@nobodyimportant2510]

Kitchen in the dungeon

[@Tuitaye]

I desperately want there to be a name for this robot that features a spin from megatron xD

[@Trampus10-4]

I can agree with you. Simulation left it out or was just a training exercise, not truly knowing Chinese abilities. I always thought that if the Chinese had stealth tech, submarines… they were as advanced or more. maybe there is war relics in Alaska you just don’t really see Alaska. We don’t see their true might on American soil due to the bombs dropping before they made landfall.

[@GabePoland-by2ln]

If you also think about Chinese power armor being in 76 with it taking place in Virginia which is also the headquarters of the CIA in Langley Virginia

[@jackbower8671]

This was so cool

[@entity_unknown_]

Imagine a stealth Liberty Prime

[@UndeadCookieMonster]

I really really like this video because there's details that you can piece together in FO2(not so sure about FO1) as well. Pulse guns go as far back as FO2 and is in fact one of the best guns due to the fact that it does electrical damage, a damage type that is power armour's second strongest(first being plasma) counter. The Enclave power armour, and I do recall that this was intentional but I may just be making that part up, has a higher electrical(and plasma to be fair, so it may be a gameplay mechanics improvement as both those damage types are late-game and the strongest damage types against power armour) defence as well as being a direct upgrade to the T-51 armour. The implication here is that the Enclave worked to make an improved power armour while also reducing its weaknesses. The pulse gun existing is also indicative of them having to use such a weapon in the first place. There is a bit of a discrepancy here with the pulse-variety of weapons, though. The pulse grenade does EMP damage as opposed to electrical damage, and the power armour has a defence of 500 against EMP. I feel like, thematically, this doesn't make sense. However, we don't as far as I'm aware have any insight to if this was changed at some point to balance out the game. That is to say, the pulse gun damage types and the armour defence rating. There is some contention about thrown weapons in FO2 in that they are more or less useless, so I can only assume in the process of tweaking and balancing the game throughout development the grenades got left behind and weren't balanced appropriately. This is all more or less guessing, however. I don't recall the information we get about the pulse gun in F:NV but there are other pulse-like weapons in Old World Blues, such as the Proton axe and the LAER. Big MT I believe was doing a lot of its research for the purpose of the war effort.

[@user-cn9cg8yu9c]

It looks like the red soft power armor

[@BR2225_]

The ncr armour is simple and easy to put together with wasteland scrap/armour. The Chinese power armour feels like they are suits used by Chinese forces who passed away before, during or after bombs falling. Then people repurpose the suits. Many Chinese products are similar in designs to western products so I’m not surprised the power armour looks similar lol

[@mackenziemoore5088]

I always figured that it was nothing more than a huge metaphor for the "Chinese War Machine" lol

[@DirtCobaine]

The poster isn’t meant to be taken literally. They don’t mean literal war machine, but the figurative war machine. Just like today we call the military industry the American war machine. The iiberty prime was the first of its kind and it want completed, China didn’t have giant robots. They couldn’t even make proper tanks, they would convert construction vehicles into tanks

[@DCPTF2]

i always assumed the Pulse Pistol was meant to be used on Americas own Power armour units if they went Rogue by pacifying the user so they could reclaim the armour in good condition

[@andrewobrien8325]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="458">7:38</a> before I hear the rest. Maybe a possible explanation is that the Chinese had expanded their influence into the ruins of Europe and the Middle East(by a certain point they were no longer in the game right after a war). And they say war is the mother of invention, what if China being actually connected to the two by a landmass(I mean ignore for a second that asia and Europe are different continents. And look at them as one massive land mass). Who’s going to argue with the Chinese army if they decided to pick over the remains? No one that’s who. Many European countries in our world are known for their mechanical engineering knowledge. The Germans, the British and the French may have had something brewing that fallout hasn’t covered. Once they fall into ruins, it’d be easy for China to quietly move in and take the best stuff. Maybe the reason America knows what these giant robots look like is they were taken from the remains of Europe. The Middle East may have also been developing things, maybe the war between the two was similar to the war between China and America where one side favoured overwhelming power while the other favoured stealth tactics. Again this maybe only a guess and I’m meaning no disrespect to any country I named. But with oil being a limited resource in the fallout world any technology advantage the Chinese could have gained is just common sense.

[@CrunchyNorbert]

Compare that to like, 30 well made tanks, for the strategic benefit?

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

Look at it this way (if you want Chinese PA in the Great War). USA = High production numbers of high quality kit China = Insanely high production numbers of terrible quality "knock off" kit. 200 years down the line, small numbers of US PA are still fundamentally sound/functional, the Chinese PA was scrap over a century ago...and their "Collectivity Prime" prototypes never moved one inch due to various technical difficulties...just piles rusted low quality metal now, completely unrecognisable as what they once were. You can have your perfectly preserved pie and eat it.👍

[@hanchiman]

But notice the food from Pre War era give radiation? I assumed FO which is based on 1950 Americana used alot harmful chemicals (like Asbestos or DDT) without knowing it was actually harmful at the time. So the Fancy Lad Snack probably had alot of preservatives

[@250914616672152]

i disagree, yeah the chinese power armor is trash but also they were the first ones they made also the US firsts power armor were trash, why do you think their numbers are 45 51 60 and end with X? the 45 was first succesful power armor made by the US the previous models were trash, and the X-01 was final model, X-02 was an better version but same model of the X-01, if the war didnt with a nuclear apocalypse i think the chinese would have won, mainly for the spies in DC

[@last2nkow]

That's just prewar armour the Dersert rangers prefer.

[@kyleshurmur-dg3kq]

Maybe the rsnger armour was used by the military

[@popculturehero]

Makes sense that China would respond to inteligence about Liberty prime and power armor, and push resources into covert operations to capture American Technology for their own projects. The threat of Liberty Prime invading china uncontested would be serious. Its nice that there is still room for it to have happened in the fallout universe, and we may see it in future games fighting a Red robot army.

[@reluttr2]

Power armor was used for promotional purposes, like Vim and Nukacola, it wouldent be out of the question that the government created a few "chinese" themed powerarmor, that they claimed they captured, to use as part of their propaganda machine, and that's why they are in Appalachia.

[@cringemaker2000]

The chinese liberty prime on the propaganda poster looked oddly familiar to the Hero of Nuka World

[@ajohnymous5699]

So regarding the way the Chinese waging war and whether or not stealth and giant robots can mix, I think it could. We've seen China using infiltration before the great war broke out. But we also know that there were military units operating submarines. We know they have stealth SOLDIERS, which can radio in enemy positions, clear them out of trenches or buildings and I see them working with the giant robots quite effectively. If we consider IRL Chinese military doctrine and the Soviet influence, they will use combined arms and different echelons of offense. I can very easily see it developing in a way where they make use of the giant assault robots to clear out enemies in the open while making use of the stealth soldiers by having them infiltrate behind enemy lines to establish lines to assist encirclements. Given the American use of power armor and being better suited for more direct engagements with armor, the Chinese developing a doctrine to bypass engagements with them before establishing better positions and leaving better equipped units to knock them out makes perfect sense while being in character.

[@baronnine-tails834]

Everything that you can buy like cosmetics in 76 are confirmed non-canon

[@skywise001]

But they did have warmachines there - the super heavy tanks. Makes perfect sense if those stand in for them. More top secret and tanks troops are able to comprehend. I always thought a Droidika army would work for China. You can say they stole the designs from ILM.

[@Santa-703]

Is there a mod for Chinese Liberty prime?

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

i hope fallout 76 is either a simulation or alot of it is not canon because i think its hard explain why we all of the sudden have dozens of differnt kinds of power armor that cant be found anywhere else , i would love for all this stuff to be canon but only if they find a very good way to explain stuff like this ...

[@IsengardMordor]

You mean the atomic shop skins or the few ones that cones with lore bhind them? Because they are two diffrent categories my friend

[@Coopwoot]

Fallout 76 has Chinese Robots Theory confirmed

[@Pigness7]

Dude its not literal, it's propganda. "they're building their war machine" it's a figurative term, they arent building a literal robot. Also dude, 76 cosmetics arent canon unless they appear on an NPC in game.

[@moosejordan7125]

Uhh dude, he's just asking questions dude, this video is supposed to be fun dude don't take everything so seriosu dude

[@mcdoogle_robotman]

What do you expect bro, he's just """asking questions"""

[@theemperor4524]

Imagine if Chinese robot played Chinese Bible and mozart