The Christian Says in his Heart, "There is no Atheist"

There's a trend among some Christians to deny the very existence of atheists. It's not enough to say that atheists are wrong about God. They say that people who claim to be atheists actually deep down know God exists but pretend he doesn't or somehow subconsciously suppress the knowledge in their hearts. There are various reasons for this. For one, it makes an easy rhetorical strategy for dealing with ideas they don't want to confront. Also, there are aspects of Christian doctrine that can encourage this thinking in some people. Parts of the Bible (such as Romans 1:20) speak ill of non-believers and claim they are suppressing truth in unrighteousness - and overall, it's hard to come to terms with sincere nonbelief when you believe in a God who is all powerful, wants everybody to believe, and condemns those who don't to eternal torment.
Today we'll be focusing on the consequences this kind of thinking, namely how it encourages some Christians to engage in unconstructive conversations with atheists and others in "The World."
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[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

Anyone who gets to the intellectually bankrupt position of just telling yourself that people that don't think like you don't actually exist, you have left any possibility of honesty or integrity behind.

[@shadesmarerik4112]

.. which is the whole point of a religion actually. In last instance they declare that those people are not people and have no rights.

[@ob2249]

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[@Leith_Crowther]

Imagine being so narcissistic you think it’s literally impossible for you to be wrong, and everybody knows it.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

I don't know why anyone would be upset when theists say atheists don't exist. He's just conclusively proved that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and you don't need to listen to anything else he says. Even better when they quote Romans 1:20 to an atheist - unknowingly offering indisputable proof, that the Bible is wrong.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

That’s a great point. Being wrong can be a good thing, because it gives you a chance to learn something new. But churches tell people that to doubt or question is a sin. That you can even be sent to hell for thinking that you might be wrong.

[@Justmonika6969]

​@@LOwens-xf8yo That's how you know they're false arbiters of truth. A real arbiter of truth wouldn't have to control you with threats of damnation and other fear tactics.

[@TheBronzeDog]

I get the feeling he's the sort of Christian that, if God himself came down and said, "No, really, they're atheists" would tell God that he's wrong because the Bible said so.

[@hailsagan8886]

Atheists talk about god all the time ? Guess what,my cousin is a police officer. He talks about crime all day. AMAZING!!!

[@24KLuxury]

What’s funny is god is only on my mind when he’s being shoved down my throat by religious zealots and propaganda.

[@ovelhoranzinza4021]

Police officers don't exist. I want to steal...

[@bluester7177]

Dude thinks all atheists are KZbinrs where talking about religion is their job, no, I'm an atheist and I talk about it almost never.

[@iwilldi]

i counted all ocurrences where Mark as a narrator talks about god or the lord.

[@stefanlaskowski6660]

​@@bluester7177I have both Christian and atheist friends. As an atheist, I basically don't discuss God ever with either.

[@BillGarrett]

“I love you” feels like their shorthand for “I’m going to turn you into a Christian because being Christian is awesome”.

[@repelsteeltje90]

They don't want to turn you into a Christian because being Christian is so awesome, but because Christianity is essentially Ponzi scheme that expects its followers to ensnare more followers

[@fomori2]

This apologist is yet another christian that proves "There is no hate like christian love"

[@ancientfoglet9600]

@@fomori2 hey, I wanted to say that ...

[@EdwardHowton]

It's actually code for "Join my cult and submit to my Authority(tm) or I'll be happy to watch you suffer in Hell when you die haha" Christianity is for sadists and psychopaths.

[@samw7998]

Ain’t nothing wrong with that tho as long as it’s not forces

[@JWK1101]

In a lot of ways, the "no atheists" argument feels like the natural end-state of apologetics. Most apologetics are poorly optimised to persuade non-believers as they rely heavily on scripture, making them exercises in question-begging. What they are better-designed to do is persuade Christians that they don't need to engage with arguments from outside the faith. It's memetic inoculation - an attempt to stop your co-religionists from picking up memes from "The World" which could lead them to deconvert.

[@thedragonofechigo7878]

In that way of thought, it makes a lot of sense

[@VyperByteX]

This has always been the purpose of apologetics. At this point, I'm convinced even the most out spoken apologist's goal has never been to convince people who do not believe. The point is to make people who already believe feel better about their beliefs.

[@derreckwalls7508]

Christian apologetics used to be the art of the philosophers. Now it is nothing but damage control.

[@TheLithp]

@@VyperByteX I certainly can't think of any apologist who seems to genuinely be attempting to persuade nonbelievers. It's also defined as the DEFENSE of faith, not the SPREADING of faith.

[@Krikenemp18]

I think the only reason it even has the veneer of engaging with non-believers is because that act itself can also serve the purpose of helping other believers feel justified. If it didn't (and in some cases it doesn't), I doubt most of them would bother with the charade. Some apologists (the ones whose audience have no such compunction) are already as subtle as a wrecking ball strapped with dynamite.

[@willbyrob6582]

Me when I’m trying to sell chocolate: “Everyone who says that they don’t want to buy my chocolate secretly wants to buy my chocolate and is lying to themself constantly to rationalize their rebellion against my chocolate.”

[@bangsandbullets]

Except this is more plausible because chocolate exists, and it's delicious lol

[@barrylangille3523]

@@bangsandbullets I was going to say much the same. We all want chocolate, but might want to resist for some reason (diet, budget, etc). But let's face it. Most of us want the stuff.

[@d4-v1d22]

@barrylangille3523 Also, no one kicks children out of the house just because they don’t like chocolate. Replace religion with chocolate. It’s yummier.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

And then proceed to take their money and shove chocolate in their face until they shut up. It's for their own good, anyway - don't you know chocolate saves your soul?

[@charliemallonee2792]

Reminds me of the meme. “What miracle do Christians celebrate on Easter?” “Chocolate”

[@nonbinarypickle]

"God created you atheist, but it's still your fault and I don't have to explain to you how or why I know that." Is basically all I'm hearing from him.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

All I got was "Blah, blah, wanna sin, blah."

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

It ain't so much your fault because your human. You get judged based on who your trusting you trust Jesus God judges you based on His righteousness, you go to Heaven because of Him and He rewards you based on how you live with rewards in Heaven. You trust in satan you go to where he goes and your level of punishment depends on how you lived more sin deeper in hell you go because your soul is weighed down by your sin. You believe in Jesus your sin is lifted so you go to Heaven and the more beitiful you do the more your soul goes up. This all in a manner of speaking to help you understand. You trusted satan or his messengers which God will make clear have no validity and plenty of reason to be skeptical but you didnt question them so you go where he goes

[@LadyDoomsinger]

@@alejandromagnobarrasa9244 It always boggles my mind, that religious folk don't seem to consider it a sin to pretend to speak on God's behalf. Though I suppose if they did, religion wouldn't exist in the first place.

[@oliveoil2549]

​@@alejandromagnobarrasa9244I do have a question, then. What if I don't have in faith in God or Satan? Is there no in between, for those who don't worship either? I don't personally believe in the existence of either one. And with sin, what is it really, other than another way to frame something as immoral?

[@kevinquiroz5384]

@@alejandromagnobarrasa9244 Life ain't chess, stop playing in black and white.

[@ajhieb]

It's not that he's being condescending. He's not even talking to us. It's purely performative. It's simply dismissing our position and then having a hypothetical chit chat with a strawman.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

Let's be real: This video is entirely for the benefit of other believers - he's not trying to convince atheists, he's trying to convince other theists, that atheists are all sinful liars.

[@filipe.sm31]

​@@LadyDoomsingerexactly, because if one unbeliever starts to have doubts, they're just sinful liars anyways, so come back and give me 10% or your salary

[@Sergei_kv82]

Making up a hypothetical situation and then getting mad about it to confirm a pre-existing belief system. Also question begging.

[@stormthrush37]

That's a really great way of putting it. It's incredibly dehumanizing.

[@bodan1196]

"Anyone claiming to believe in God, know that God does not exist. They just want to be special." /s

[@bobaveccheveux6031]

It's true because someone on the internet said so. If anyone doubts this they must be reminded someone on the internet said so therefore it must be true!

[@williamdowling7718]

Literally the exact same logic, but they would vehemently deny it. But don't bother arguing with them about it. They know it's true and they're just denying it in their own false-righteousness. Christians only say they're Christians so they can live a life of sin and get free forgiveness. 😂

[@myfavoriteviewer306]

Those pesky Christians just want to sin. One little apology in thier mind, not even directed to any people they may have hurt, and BOOM! All is forgiven. Can't have morals living like that. (I'd include the /s, but the more I think about it, the more accurate it sounds 😂

[@justafishingdude]

@@myfavoriteviewer306 I would point out it is because we as humans have sinned, breaking God's laws as it were, that we go to hell if we are judged on our own merit. To confirm this, let's take a look and see if we are guilty of breaking God's laws by examining just a few of the ten commandments. Have you ever lied? Ever taken anything, no matter how small? Ever lusted in your heart after someone? Jesus says that is adultery in your heart. Ever hated someone? The Bible says if you hate your brother you are a murderer. If we are lying, fornicating, murderous thieves by God's standards (these are just a few examples of sin or missing the mark), are we truly good? If we are judged by the 10 commandments, will that be good enough? According to these few commandments, we are all breakers of God's laws and therefore under condemnation based on that law. Hell (and ultimately the lake of fire) is the punishment that was set out for sin, just as jail (or worse) is the punishment if you or I break our country's laws. A just judge in this world would not let a murderer go free without punishment. That murderer could go and live an upstanding life for the rest of his life, but he is still guilty and will pay the penalty if caught. He could say He's sorry a hundred times, but that won't take away what he's done or remove his punishment. How then could a God who is perfectly just let the punishment for breaking the law (our sins/crimes) go unpunished? That is why we need a Savior. Someone who was not guilty in order to pay for the guilty. If Jesus would have been guilty, it wouldn't have paid the price, but He lived a perfect life as God and man, making the perfect sacrifice for us through His death on the cross and resurrection - taking God's wrath upon Himself. God can legally let us have eternal life because of what Jesus did - not because of our goodness. If you accept His free gift, Jesus' righteousness can be credited to your account. Suppose you have a stack of speeding tickets and absolutely no money and no way to pay them. Then the judge says "these are very serious, but I can legally let you go because someone has paid for the tickets". Your goodness is not going to get you out of those tickets, but someone else paying for them did. In the same way, we can't pay for the laws we have broken (Isaiah 64:6 says our works are as filthy rags) against God, but Jesus can. This then is how we can be saved. The fact is not one of us is good enough to make it on our own. Each one of us has broken God's laws and are therefore under judgment. Romans 6:23 tells us all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." Additionally, here is a fabulous message illustrating salvation through the account of the thief on the cross - appropriately titled "Simply What Must I Do To Be Saved". It's only a about a half hour and for something with eternal consequences, it makes sense to at least hear it out right? :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYiun4Ocn75lorM

[@considermycat]

I’m sure there’s certainly a lot of projection going on there. “Deep down you know what you say you believe doesn’t hold water, but you have a powerful psychological need to insist it does, to bolster your sense of personal security”

[@jgs1122]

"The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists. That is why they invented Hell." Bertrand Russell

[@grapeshot]

Some theists just can't accept the fact that there are people out there who do not believe in the existence of their invisible sky wizard.

[@Apollorion]

Not just some, it's too many.

[@milkenobi]

The existence of people who don't follow their faith is super inconvenient to their worldview.

[@庫倫亞利克]

Slight correction: they can't accept the fact that there are people out there who do not believe in the existence of their invisible sky wizard *but are otherwise decent or normal human beings.* No, they must be cultists conspiring to destroy the world, sinners who don't believe because they want to be above the consequences, or imbeciles who don't believe because they've never heard an apologetic speak.

[@jonr9467]

Romans 1:20 forces them to say that there are no atheists. Otherwise Paul was lying.

[@1eviledy]

@@jonr9467 But according to this guy Ray Comfort coined it. Maybe Ray is Paul resurrected? Anyone want to start a religion?

[@Krikenemp18]

Saying "I love you" to someone you've never even met diminishes the concept of love so much that it becomes worthless. You can't possibly love someone you know nothing about in any meaningful way, which makes it feel like an empty platitude to soften something else they know sounds nasty because it *is* nasty.

[@Dan-ys8nk]

This is called Love bombing. When someone you don't know says, "I love you." or "Jesus loves you." it's a form of psychological abuse. The purpose is to manipulate people under the guise of love by inflicting shame and guilt on people for not conforming to a religion or faith. The point is a religious zealot will say, "God loves you so much that if you don't love him back, you'll be tortured in hell forever but he still loves you." The entire Christian faith is built on a threat to instill fear in people to conform under the threat of violence and torture. It's not love. It's abuse. It's violence. It's a twisted mockery of love.

[@judia00]

One minute in… can we just say, “There’s no such thing as a Christian?”. How will that go over? ❤

[@Cat_Woods]

Yeah, cuz Jesus said that his followers would be able to do anything in his name. And they can't. So obviously they're not really his followers. QED.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

I agree. Everyone is born with the knowledge of Atheismo deep in their hearts, and there are no true Christians because they all actually know there are no gods. I'm all for mirroring things back to people to establish perspective.

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

​@wilhelmschmidt7240 you get a shot of whiskey.... don't tell Sir Sic I took some of his.

[@enlacostaizquierda]

@@wilhelmschmidt7240 There's also the "What do the Hindus/Buddhists/etc. believe in their heart?" Or how about Muslims who believe in the same basic God.. they even believe Jesus was a prophet of that God.. so clearly they "know God in their heart" but don't accept Christianity.. the whole argument is circular reasoning. As Paulogia likes to point out it all boils down to "For the Bible Tells Me So!"

[@nmappraiser9926]

If they had faith the size of a mustard seed, they could convince us there was a God.

[@Phoenix0F8]

oh wow this is my dad a couple months ago, who out of the blue stated "I don't think there are any atheists. I think there are I-theists and me-theists, but not atheists" and it activated my flight or cringe response so hard I nearly imploded

[@mathman0569]

This expresses clearly what they mean by that, sorry that was said to you, but that's what people who say this often are trying to convay

[@Lotanna20]

😂😂Flight or Cringe

[@valivali8104]

What even are "I-theists" and "me-theists"?

[@matthewgagnon9426]

@@valivali8104 I think it means people who worship themselves? But that's ludicrous.

[@TheLithp]

@@valivali8104 There's this bizarre notion that not believing in any gods is selfish &, as Matthew said above, that you must "view yourself as god" because it's not possible to have NO gods, right? Put another way, the assumption is that, if God isn't the most important being in the universe, SOMETHING must be, & that thing is de facto god. It's why they can't seem to decide if atheists are their own god or if their god is science or evolution or the universe or the government or whatever. If they could just wrap their heads around the idea that these are all things that play strong roles in people's lives but that doesn't equal "god," that'd really clear things up for them.

[@mainecoonmami]

I feel great compassion for this dude. He believes that he is living his faith. I used to believe like he does here. It’s ignorance more than intentional insult.

[@martinmckee5333]

I accept that it is ignorance. I also find it quite insulting though. Much as I would like to be the sort of person who could have a reasoned conversation with someone who believed as Isaac does, his constant mind reading and condescension is just too much for me.

[@Uryvichk]

I don't buy it. Anyone brazen enough to flog his Patreon right at the start of a video immediately sets off my B.S. detectors. He may "really believe" it, but some part of him knows darn well he shouldn't be saying it but he does it anyway for the clicks.

[@drewharrison6433]

Willful ignorance. I am quite sure that he's heard it all explained.

[@davidschreiber4677]

@@Uryvichk Agree, this guy is a youtube grifter. Yes he is a guy with Christian "faith" but he is on KZbin with a patreon page/account.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

i can't feel sorry for him as if it's truly JUST ignorance he CHOSE it.

[@davidwillis5044]

It's strange how "kindness" and "courtesy" often include telling people they are foolish and accusing them of ignoring their imaginary friend.

[@topologyrob]

Mate, if you call God an "imaginary friend" it's your ignorance and insanity that should be worrying you. Get help, quickly.

[@mainecoonmami]

That’s just it. I DONT KNOW that he exists! I’ve been looking everywhere trust me. Brought up as a Christian, talking to the god all my life. He didn’t show up. I finally discovered that I was the only one in the relationship.

[@Phoenix0F8]

Exactly. Even in the gospels one of the responses to Jesus is, "I want to believe, help my unbelief." There are plenty of us who were raised religious and would love to be able to fit all our beliefs back into those nice little boxes and quell the sense of existential dread we've felt ever since coming to the shocking realization that we've been praying into the void. The issue is not with us. The issue is with the silence of God, if such a being exists.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

If a person refuses to answer your calls long enough, eventually you come to the conclusion that either he doesn't want to talk, or you have the wrong number. Whatever the case, I'm not gonna keep dialing God's number.

[@KianaWolf]

Similar case for me. I went so far as to lock myself in a dark room, going on a multi-day fast and praying the whole time, begging for _literally any sign_ that god was real, only to be met with silence... Yet there are still christians that insist I was "never a real christian." Raised to be christian, baptized at 7, spent the next 7 years convinced it was real, then when I had doubts I desperately tried to convince myself god was real... If I didn't qualify as a real christian, I dare say _no one_ qualifies. (Yeah, that No True Scotsman crap riles me up pretty dang fast. Both the 'you were never _really_ a christian' and 'atheists _actually_ believe in [apologist's preferred imaginary friend]' versions.)

[@iwilldi]

I learned this from Mark: Take an old sock and put it over your hand and start talking.

[@mainecoonmami]

@@KianaWolf Me too friend, me too.

[@MrCrimsonbolt]

I spent many years believing that no religious leaders believed in their professed religion. In my reality, through my atheistic eyes, it is so evident that religion is untrue that anyone that had properly considered it would plainly be able to see that it doesn't comport with reality. I sincerely believed that religions were for people that are stupid or lying. It fascinated me that people seemed to sincerely believe something so patently untrue that I started looking into it. I now realise that reality looks very different through the eyes of each individual. Lots of different things effect how you interpret information. I now fully accept that there are intelligent people that sincerely believe in each religion. I don't think any of them are right, but I also have the same scepticism for my own beliefs

[@repelsteeltje90]

Yes people experience different realities but there are levels of ignorance. You are still justified to simply dismiss anyone who makes extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence like flat earthers, anti vaxxers, climate deniers, pizza gaters, Christians etc.

[@terraplane1116]

I'm guessing your beliefs, whatever they are, don't involve telling other people how they ought to live their lives or condemning them for not believing what you believe. That's the difference.

[@MrCrimsonbolt]

​@@terraplane1116 I completely agree. I just meant that I could understand what it's like to think that my interpretation of reality is so self-evident that anyone that doesn't share it is lying, or has been deceived by liars. I think that's why he is able to so confidently state what other people believe, because he just can't put himself in the shoes of someone with a different worldview

[@michaelburbine305]

Belief is the problem. You cant spell it without l i e. The clue is right there in the middle of the word. No one should believe or try to believe anything. KNOW OR DONT KNOW. Never believe.

[@Hailfire08]

Can you do a video on the misanthropic self-loathing I so often see from Christians? The "oh I'm so broken, I'm a horrible sinner, I'm just dirt on the bottom of God's shoe, no achievement I ever make is down to my own ability, it's all God," etc, etc. I see it all the time and it's equal parts revolting and depressing.

[@feedingravens]

My saying, Christians think they would not find their *ss to wipe it if God would not lead their hand - each time. The funny thing is - even though they SAY that, the real selling point of christianity is for blind faith and never asking questions you get as reward that the Almighty God created the whole universe ONLY for us, WE are in the center of his attention, you OWN the truth, no need to know what the truth is, you are ALWAYS right, whatever you do or say. In this whole universe you are the most God-like thing that exists. God's perfection rubs off on you through his perfect word and because you are created in his image (of a spaceless, timeless, matterless being without body) It provides them with the excuse for ultimate vanity. They say they are sinners (see your list), but they are so sure of their infallibility as if they were as perfect as God. Maybe ask them "Are you a sinner? Are you fallible? Are you sure I am wrong when I say I do not believe in your God? How can you be so sure of that when you are a fallible sinner? Assuming perfection in your judgement is assuming you are perfect, but perfection is solely reserved for God." I think they could not answer.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@feedingravens how dare you tell the truth on the internet. The internet was made for misinformation and ads that rape your eyes and ears without consent with how bright and loud they are

[@Phoenix0F8]

yep, this is a common attitude in confessional Lutheran circles and it nearly broke me mentally when I was trying to live it out. Viewing any sense of self-esteem whatsoever as sinful presumption. Awful state to spend more than, like, 20 seconds in. Much less 20 years.

[@conssuckballs]

It's even more confusing when the claim without God there is no meaning to life. So with God you're worthless and meaningless and without God you and your life are meaningless. OK.

[@Uryvichk]

It's not really a video, but you might enjoy Nietzsche's take on Christian self-loathing, life-denial, and inversion of values. As a German he was very much familiar with the Lutheran mindset a commenter above mentioned. Plus he's way more fun to read than the Bible.

[@dasbus9834]

That's really some great advice on how to talk to atheists... assume they are all lying, try to baptize them, and follow the banana man approach. What could possibly go wrong 🙃

[@Ten80pete]

Am I the only one who read that last line in a Bubsy Bobcat voice?

[@goldenalt3166]

That means that this apologist will never call anyone an "atheist".... Oops 15 seconds in he fails.

[@joeyangtree1862]

Exactly. At 10:03, he says, "He [Ray Comfort] has a lot of encounters with atheists." This is a few sentences after saying, "This is why I say that there are no atheists." Make up your mind, dude! Do atheists exist and Ray Comfort is encountering them, or do they not exist, and Ray Comfort is delusional. Actually, I'll go with Door #3. Atheists exist and Ray Comfort *is* delusional.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Mid way through and he cites Ray Comfort as an authority! Best laugh all night!!!

[@kolgrimthunderhammer]

The "you just want to sin" argument has to be the most insulting. What is it even supposed to mean? We would have to be pretty dumb to think that God is real but if we pretend really hard we won't go to hell for breaking his rules.

[@barrylangille3523]

Precisely.

[@CookiesRiot]

For the "once saved, always saved" crowd and the "repentance" crowd, it makes more sense to be Christian so you can sin; you can commit any atrocity you like and still believe you'll get eternally rewarded.

[@wax99]

The whole "I love you" mentality also seeps into social media too. The amount of times I harshly criticize videos on their point or content, and the amount of times I get hearted by the creator is far too high. No response, no anything, just the heart. It's a little obnoxious seeing they have absolutely no interest in thinking about their beliefs beyond what makes them comfortable.

[@unfollowtheinstructions6360]

They think it makes them seem righteous and benevolent when it just makes them come off as condescending and paternalistic

[@wax99]

@@unfollowtheinstructions6360 absolutely! And it provides them with extra fodder depending on how the comment was made: either the stereotypical angry atheist or the arrogant, condescending atheist. It's a lose-lose.

[@kragratt]

This guy got several responses. I can’t even take him seriously. I know others do and I’m glad you and other atheists responders. Thank you for speaking out.

[@gatorboymike]

Fuckhead: "Our mission is to get everyone to agree with us and believe in our shit." Also Fuckhead: "Everyone already agrees with us and believes in our shit."

[@spider-man9118]

we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested

[@widescreennavel]

This young man certainly has a lot of convincing antidotes.

[@VaughanMcCue]

The flailing arms were an antidope for me, primarily when Zoddy increased the pace. The dope looked hilarious, like a broken eggbeater.

[@trishamason1855]

😂😂😂

[@poppin_freshgaming4334]

I don't exist? Damn. Why didn't someone tell me sooner?

[@FernLovebond]

Hey, if we don't exist, do we still have to pay taxes?

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

​@@FernLovebondNo, we must revolt! Get our existence!

[@davebcf1231]

Trying to tell someone that you know what they think and feel better than they do is the quickest way to get them to not listen to a word you have to say after that, so keep it up Christians! The worse you are at converting anyone the better.

[@bangsandbullets]

His hand movements are making my brain itchy. Also, as an atheist, non-existence is looking mighty tempting right now

[@thedragonofechigo7878]

Absolutely, non-existence sounds better than being around people like this.

[@spider-man9118]

i hear you. I'm not suicidal (i think), but i'm ready to die Also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested

[@OscarSommerbo]

This dude VILE. He has tons of videos on his twisted "Christian" views on lust, sex, sexuality and gender. If it is the same video that Sir Sic reacted to, he comes off as a little goofy, but he is really dangerous and spreads his message of hate in every other video he does.

[@OscarSommerbo]

Thanks again for treating this douchecanoe as the danger he is.

[@Phoenix0F8]

Christian views on lust: Judge everyone else for it, then binge pornography riding high off the guilty pleasure, ask God for forgiveness 20 seconds after ejaculating, go back to judging everyone else for being lustful. Rinse, repeat.

[@Dock284]

@@Phoenix0F8 My parents always told me not to have sex unless they wanted a child and yet they had 3 children and the last one (me) was an "accident" but that makes no sense. None of us were twins so it makes no sense that they would say that and yet have an accidental child.

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@Dock284 Interesting that you mention that, as I am also an "unexpected" third and youngest child. My mom was in her mid 40s when I was born and they always referred to me as a surprise blessing. I don't think anyone actually lives out the idea that sex is only for having children; generally speaking it's just used as a sledge against people who enjoy sex "too much".

[@judia00]

[@pavelandreev4727]

A few months ago I found myself in the company of a lady, we were talking over a cigarette. The conversation was around education and she told me how she organized Sunday schools and what they were doing there. She invited me to participate but as I am an atheist I told her so and declined respectfully, explaining that it wouldn't be appropriate and comfortable for either side. Then it came, in a calm condescending voice she said "Well no one is REALLY atheist"... I have to say I have never been insulted this politely and ignorantly at the same time. Cigarette was over so I just wished her good day and moved on, no point in arguing with "the truth" I guess.

[@wizardsuth]

As Richard Dawkins has pointed out, everyone is an atheist with respect to thousands of gods people have invented. Atheists just go one god further.

[@thinboxdictator6720]

Oh no! I don't exist! What am I gonna do now?! Noooooooooooo

[@herbevans2727]

Don't panic, you're not alone....nobody else here exists either!

[@thinboxdictator6720]

@@herbevans2727 thank you,my nonexistent friend.

[@herbevans2727]

@@thinboxdictator6720 you're welcome my imaginary ally 😁

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

As a no real person, do not revolt, do not overtrow capitalism, do not hear yourself.

[@stevewebber707]

I am so looking forward to having a respectful conversation with someone that denies I am capable of knowing my own mind. Well I would look forward to it if I anticipated it to be possible.

[@filipe.sm31]

He is not even saying that you don't know your own mind. He is saying that you know and is just straight up lying

[@thequantumshade1556]

“His core idea is so nonsensical you can’t even consistently expound upon it for any period of time.” Perfectly stated.

[@thomasridley8675]

Dismissing one more god than he does shouldn't be an issue. And they are dismissed for the same exact reason...they don't believe it's real. Certainty in their theology has never made a god real. Their gods love comes at a very high price.... unconditional surrender. To sacrifice their individuality in the false hope of eternal life. A slave to the same delusion that has created our long history of faith.

[@theargonianmercenary184]

It’s crazy that I’ve only been with this community for a few years, and the conversation has actually devolved from “well, there are these things that make me think God is real” being more mainstream to “You know he’s real, you just want to sin” becoming the new hill that apologists want to die on.

[@oxymoron02]

Videos like this make me want to create a "Theists don't really exist" video, just flipping all their arguments back at them. "You don't believe in God because I don't believe in God, so you're just pretending that you do."

[@robertl4824]

there is no hate like christian love

[@JVSfit23]

Amen. Haha😂

[@fpcoleman57]

If someone uses Ray Comfort as a mentor, they probably need therapy. Apologetics is not the same as proselytising. It seems that naivety is a virtue. The level of arrogance is amazing and incredibly insulting.

[@brucedavis1803]

Ewwwwww! Ray Comfort!

[@bobmudge4836]

I started to vanish, then I remembered this guy is a clueless troll and I reappeared.

[@OneEyed_Jack]

You know it's gonna be top notch when they start bring up Ray Comfort. 😂

[@barrylangille3523]

😄😃😅😊

[@realrealwarpet]

“Prove youre an atheist!” “Prove youre a theist.”

[@skepticusmaximus184]

Even better "Prove you're a Christian." Coz we all know what happens when you raise a subject controversial within their ranks... Calvinist soteriology, slavery etc.. you get 'no true Scotsman' for miles. Not that they do this with each other. They only close ranks against unbelievers.

[@gordonlynn8300]

he's just pretending he's a Theist , yada yada............ two can play this game .

[@barrylangille3523]

@@gordonlynn8300 to be honest, there are an awful lot of doubters pretending to believe, in order not to lose their communities. I could argue he's got congregation members in just that position, and I know I'm right because I used to be one of tgem, and I didn't even belong to a strict church

[@christasimon9716]

There are LOTS of "Christians" who live their lives confident that will be no "final judgment".

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@christasimon9716 Well ain't it lucky you can cherry pick this shit to fit your personal preferences? Making shit up without evidence or reason turns out to be a useful tool for the willful self deluded. Now you run along an have that dispute with those who proffess to know better. 😉

[@jgs1122]

"We deserve to die..." Stockholm Syndrome?

[@Phoenix0F8]

considering that hell if it exists is by nature infinitely worse than anything a human abuser or even serial killer has ever been remotely capable of- and it's supposedly operated as a place of "Justice" by the being these people worship- yeah I'd say christians have a pretty bad case of SS lol

[@iwilldi]

i deserve to die, of course. That's why i came here, because i deserve to die and not be undead and caught in a reality which i could never leave.

[@ShastraDugan]

yep pretty much

[@spider-man9118]

I'm not suicidal (i think), but i'm ready to die. this world is screwed Also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested.

[@West3720]

Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also. ~ Robert J. Lifton, 1989

[@zemorph42]

The rationale for genocide. Disgusting.

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Spoken like a true insider of the group. Men are ashamed to tell people they are virgins. Are you? Christian's call eachother brothers and sisters it's hard cuz the ones who think they are at the top do this shit too but you still cant abandon them they are family.

[@paulmillbank3617]

I could say there are no theists, but truth is more important than faith. Faith is offered to people who want something unproven, and improbable to be reasonable to accept as true.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

11:35 I already have a great 'antidote'. It's called scepticism.

[@topologyrob]

That's why I outgrew atheism.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

​@@topologyrobOH! Really. I suppose if you were genuine and honest, you'd post more than an assertion that scepticism led you towards theism. You might like to include a rational justification for your theistic beliefs. Nobody should be convinced by your assertions should they?

[@topologyrob]

@@skepticusmaximus184 they can only meet God for themselves - as if you can think yourself into knowing God!

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@topologyrob You're not explaining yourself. How can 'they'meet God for themselves? By pretending god exists and pretending to talk to him? And again what do you mean you 'outgrew' atheism? "As if you can think yourself into knowing god." What's the alternative, is it 'wish' yourself into knowing god? 'Pretend' yourself into knowing god? If you're of one of the Abrahamic faiths, certainly Christianity, you very much are expected to believe and that's an order. In other words, you must make a willful choice, a deliberate concious decision to believe in God. That's called doxastic volunteerism and I find it impossible. At the very heart of Christian doctrine, sits a demand to make a willful *choice* to believe. That means to MAKE yourself BELIEVE, ie. MAKE BELIEVE. If you can't explain how it happens that you've come to know God exists at all, then I have no choice to assume you are just pretending (MAKE BELIEVE) that god exists. Especially if you're a Christian, where the imperative is explicit. And yes. If the existence of God is an objective fact of reality, the method of realising that fact would have to be 'thinking'. That's how we 'know' anything. If you have a better method, that isn't just pretending, then I'd like to know about it.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@topologyrob Also, I'm actually going to thank you for making this distinction between a person who is a theist and has good reason to believe what they do, and a person who is more of a 'non-atheist' who prefers to skulk around the affirmative position of theological conviction and pretend to be on higher ground for not being an atheist, rather than defending any rational reason for being a theist. So thanks, I won't consider you in the ranks of the theist. Since your unwilling to defend your beliefs with good reason, I dub thee a non-atheist. A creature without the strength of its convictions and unable or unwilling to defend them on their own merits. A worthwhile distinction indeed, so thanks.

[@01Aigul]

I just don't how "the Bible says you're wrong" is supposed to be a response to someone who doesn't believe the Bible is accurate.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

it reminds me how the wife reacted to finding out her husband was a crossdresser in Woody Allen's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex* (*But Were Afraid to Ask) (1972) “Sam, we’ve been married for years. I love you; you love me. You could have come to me, ‘Listen, Tess, I have a diseased mind. I’m a sick individual. I need help. I need treatment. I’m perverted. I’m unfit to function with normal decent people.’ I would have understood.”

[@dalecs47]

My conversation with professional Christers always ends the same way when all is said and done: "God needs money. I need to give my money to the professional Christers because God has no money to give to them" My response to that is this: "If God does not want to give his money to them than why should I give my money to them?"

[@wizardsuth]

As a child I assumed the money people put in the collection plate each week was transported to God (maybe by angels?), and wondered why he needed money.

[@CaptFoster5]

Good grief ... that dude takes his cues from Ray "The banana is perfectly shaped for the human hand" Comfort? 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣

[@thegreatcanadianweasel9928]

I wonder when he will realize he is suppressing the truth of Zeus

[@thetalkingbear]

Spot on. I don't understand why as much as the bible has been found to be fallable that believers don't see the forest for the trees.

[@bananaslug.1951]

I'm over 70 and was raised christen, and studied the bible for the last 15 years of my life. Then I stated to read books about how the bible was created, the contradictions and lack of reality in the bible. please quit telling me I'm not an Atheist. great video Zod.

[@spider-man9118]

While some things may be fudged up, the message is still the same. For God so loved the world, He gave His one and only Son, so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. Also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested.

[@bananaslug.1951]

@@spider-man9118 I studied your evidence (for years) and so far there is zero proof for magic. Your Bible is 3rd person oral tradition. Because of that and so many contradictions I realize that the truth I see is I don’t believe that a god exist. Which means using your Bible to prove the Bible doesn’t work.

[@jimscott9974]

@@spider-man9118 For God so loved the world... that he destroyed it... started over, and then failed again. Great message you got there. Any "evidence" you have is no better than the "evidence" that any other religion has -- namely, none. And no, I am not interested, so save your proselytizing for the fearful and gullible, and leave the thinking to atheists.

[@spider-man9118]

@@jimscott9974 God flooded the world because the people would not turn from their sins. They were too busy enjoying themselves, my friend And we have archeological evidence for biblical events, for one category of evidence, verified by science, my fellow KZbin user, unlike the other “religions”

[@jimscott9974]

@@spider-man9118 It's funny that you would mention the flood in the same sentence with claiming to have "archaeological evidence." There is no evidence for the flood, archaeological or otherwise. Your "evidence" is as convincing to non-Christians as the "evidence" Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, etc. claim to have is convincing to Christians. In other words, not in the least. You are a victim of the culture in which you were raised, as are the followers of all other religions.

[@dragowolfraven3806]

*pinches self*:Ow. Yeah I felt that so I exist.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Idk, doubtfull, i'll need to pinch you too so you get confirmation. Also, i'm trying to get over my fear of touch so it might take wag too long before you get pinched... i might run away and never pinch you like with the last person...

[@christasimon9716]

4:31 God has made Himself SO clearly known, that Christianity has spontaneously sprung up exactly ZERO times ANYWHERE in the entire world until missionaries arrived with their Bibles in hand.

[@charliemallonee2792]

And showed himself SO unambiguously that Christianity branched into 1000+ interpretations.

[@subcitizen2012]

“I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do." -Hitchens

[@topologyrob]

Hitchens was a twerp. Many of us accept all gods. Try harder.

[@NA-vz9ko]

@@topologyrobit’s impossible to accept all gods, as many of them are mutually exclusive. Clearly you’re the one who needs to try harder. Typical theist projection.

[@topologyrob]

@@NA-vz9ko it’s not impossible at all - just sane. Obviously all human models of the infinite are flawed models Btw what is a typical theist? Atheists are a tiny tiny margin of humans - the vast minority are theist and they are extremely disperse so huge generalisation is mad

[@NA-vz9ko]

@@topologyrob it’s neither sane nor possible to claim the acceptance of all gods. You can’t even articulate that opinion.

[@topologyrob]

@@NA-vz9ko mate you’re obviously having trouble with basic concepts so I’ll leave you to your confusion - keep maturing and you’ll get there one day. I have argued and articulated my position so again try harder / I know thinking is difficult but go on - put in some mental effort - you don’t need to settle for idiocy such as Hitch’s irrational guff and bluster. Your brain deserves better

[@not_you_i_dont_even_know_you]

When i was a christian i felt like it was impossible to deny that there was a god.....because of all the people day in day out saying there was. And the, i guess youd call em hallucinations, from fervant praying and worship and whatever. After leaving the faith, all the fear and compulsive behavior is gone, to absolutely no ones surprise. Edit: and to be clear, i didnt make a conscious choice not to believe, for better or worse. I got tired of putting effort into a faith that wasn't helping me, and after years of trying to convince christians that progressive christianity was more Christlike (and getting so much pushback on basic respect for humanity)....i just stopped putting effort into any christian ritual. And then woke up one morning and realized i hadnt been a christian in quite a while. And i had been told jesus wouldnt stop knocking until i let him in, but in my case he was a feral cat who escaped the house the moment i stopped playing with him.

[@NewNecro]

Would you say it was like more parting ways with the beliefs of Christianity of people you disagreed with or your genuine own belief of Christianity? Anyhow, glad the transition was casual. Heard of many being eaten away by guilt of doubting for years, due to the peer pressure of a christian community they live/d in.

[@thelogician9879]

"Share the gospel" = "badgering strangers with a childish story they have already heard countless times."

[@domecrack]

First like, first comment? Where is everybody? I feel l Shatner in that episode of The Twilight Zone.

[@nothingand779]

Jesus is king

[@Joe-uk3rg]

@@nothingand779Why doesn't he tell me that himself🤣🤣🤣

[@nothingand779]

@@Joe-uk3rg Cause free will 🥹

[@domecrack]

Okay, random dude I've never met, you've just successfully proven that you think Jesus is king or whatever. Now what?

[@dasbus9834]

@@nothingand779 _Jesus is king_ Well, I didn't vote for him.

[@FakingANerve]

Top notch work, as always, PoZ. I still just can't wrap my head around these apologists. The faux humility dripping with condescending arrogance, the blatant ignorance of common sense and decency, the doublespeak, the crazy eyes... how does _anyone_ buy this crap??

[@I_am_Irisarc]

The following is s lesson for Christians who most likely will never read it, but let me express: "Don't worry about the Christians. They know in their minds that God does not exist. If they would just open up their minds to the truth, they will be saved...from a life of persecuting everyone different from them ad infinitum, only to claim persecution when we defend ourselves and our liberty. You see we are all actuallly reasonable and know there's no God. We need to be kind and respectful as we lead these benighted people toward the light of reality." See how that feels? It makes me sound like a condescending idiot, doesn't it? That's how you sound to us.

[@Nocturnalux]

Ray Comfort…! Unreal.

[@peterlamboy5940]

It's so comfortable being real.

[@knutthompson7879]

The fact someone would look right at me and claim I don't exist is not worth a moment of anyone's time. I'm right here dude.

[@ruptakruptak439]

"So you see, there clearly is no such thing as an atheist because the Bible tells me so. And if you're an atheist hearing me say that, I get that that's probably insulting to you, but keep in mind... I love you...?" Jesus Christ. I am puking everywhere.

[@daffyrose]

If I’m an atheist and I don’t exist, I can’t be converted. Problem solved.

[@klhaldane]

If I don't exist, do I still have to pay taxes?

[@spider-man9118]

don't let the irs hear you saying that, my fellow zoomer Also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested.

[@tofu_golem]

I love, love, love variations on the "you secretly agree with me" argument because it is a sign of desperation. Usually, it means they are afraid of the Problem of Divine Hiddenness, but it never hurts to poke around and find out what their fear is, then go for that.

[@jollyandwaylo]

I think Isaak doesn't believe the Bible is the word of God. If he did, he would learn ancient Greek and study the history of the era in which the Bible was written. If he was a true believer, he would want to make sure that he knew exactly what god was trying to say and not rely on other failable translations of the Bible. Since Isaak thinks he can read my mind and my motivations, I can read his right back at him.

[@filipe.sm31]

Just the fact that you have to learn and spend so much time on ancient languages just so you can know what God says is a pretty good indication that this loving God doesn't exist

[@spider-man9118]

we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested

[@erica5218]

The music on the outro always hits

[@janthomassen9577]

Dude that don't understand that I think his book is fiction is "using" his book to tell me I'm wrong. Yea, that'll work in the real world.

[@joshuataber9848]

This video isn't for us. It's to give more terrible talking points to his christian audience.

[@Zahaqiel]

...When he said that saying atheists don't exist is controversial, it made me think about making a "teach the controversy" joke to satirise it... but then I remembered that that phrase exists primarily _because of_ Creationists in the first place and the irony of faking a controversy just for the sake of having something to teach suddenly become not so ironic. Reality: killing satire since the invention of language-based communication. But hey, at least his immediate reaction to the question of "what should we think about atheists?" is to check in with the guy who needed a direct personal intervention from God before converting to Christianity to know why people should believe with no evidence whatsoever. Reality works in mysterious ways.

[@markcostello5120]

If God had written himself on all our hearts wouldn't that mean we already had a built in god detector?

[@Uryvichk]

According to Alvin Plantinga, we do. What evidence does he have for the existence of this god detector? Well, uh... hey, look over there!

[@spider-man9118]

the law is kinda on our hearts, friend. (see Romans 2) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested.

[@gornser]

Love the title. Very wise and witty

[@The5armdamput33]

"It's true because the Bible says so." - Only in religion...

[@andrewphilos]

This isn't the worst argument for atheism not existing I've ever heard... that'd have to go to that Almando guy Logicked covered, who argued, "If you're an atheist, then you're a theist! Which means you DO believe in God!" Seriously. Guy really thought that was the knock-down argument. The fact that he doesn't understand prefixes. XD

[@darwinskeeper421]

Almando Calvo is one in a million, sadly that means that there are 7,999 more of him out there.

[@filipe.sm31]

Almando is the funniest on apologetics. I can't believe he is legit

[@Klepske]

Ah yes, Romans 1:20, a fine piece of christian presup, about as convincing, intellectual and powerful as that great "nuh uh!" argument.

[@Pa1ad1no]

Even when I was most involved in Christianity, I always had doubts. Even in the bible Jesus claimed to be abandoned. At least in science we can trust to be getting closer to the truth.

[@pansepot1490]

If atheists don’t exist he should inform all his fellow professional apologists that they are out of job. No need for apologetics if everyone is a believer, right?

[@danieltempas6062]

They have to lie. Else their entire proposition of "God shaped holes" and "morals written on your heart" becomes a lie.

[@aaronbredon2948]

Controversial, no. Contrafactual, yes. Since Apologetics is a defense of Christianity, that means there is a reason not to believe.

[@I.am.hooked]

How in the world am I supposed to respect all beliefs, if they are like this?

[@janthran]

fun story i actually did apologetics as a kid and got pretty decent scores but i was almost entirely just regurgitating wayne grudem's systematic theology and webster's 1828 dictionary and never understood a damn word of what i was saying

[@ShikataGaNai100]

The dyslexic fool says in his heart, "There is no Dog."

[@scottmaddow7879]

I saw a great video by a young Athiest and this is a great paraphrase when you encounter this argument. "You speak German." They likely will answer "No I don't." You just keep repeating the claim until they clue in or leave.

[@TheCount991]

I’m not overly offended by an apologist telling me that I don’t exist. Sure, it is insulting, but it’s been done so many times by now that at most, I’m probably just going to roll my eyes and tune them out or just laugh, depending on my mood. My problem with it is that they usually aren’t actually talking to us. They’re trying to convince other, less annoying, christians to not even consider our thoughts because we’re just lying anyways. They are essentially “suppressing the truth in their righteousness” and that’s far more irritating. I’d much rather they lie to someone who isn’t going to fall for it.

[@michaelelam4594]

I'd rather be ethical and kind than righteous. My dad told me when I was a kid that "A good man doesn't do good because of an ancient book, promises of heaven or threats of hell. A good man does what is right BECAUSE it's the right thing to do" Also, I am confused by the whole "Sorry, I don't believe," being an accusation somehow

[@spider-man9118]

the last part is close to something Superman said lol also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if you're interested

[@goldenalt3166]

Jesus clearly sins against the laws he said would not change. I don't know how they can claim he was sinless except by claiming he is above the law.

[@dwaneanderson8039]

Accepting obvious falsehoods as unquestionable truths is a strategy to maintain cult membership. It's a leap of faith that separates the in group from the out group. Not only does it cause the believers to reject the nonbelievers, but it also encourages the nonbelievers to reject the believers. It forms a barrier between the groups that is hard to overcome.

[@pamela74h]

The fact that any religion needs apologetics is proof in itself right there that it's bs. Truth doesn't need apologetics

[@bodan1196]

Does God have a plan for me? For every one? Yes? Does speaking to me, or anyone, about God; change God's plan? No? Then speaking to anyone about God, is rather pointless. Is it not?

[@tzvikrasner6073]

This argument is straight up bedcovers-over-the-head-so-the-monster-won't-get-you.

[@gaboquintana3628]

It all boils down to "because the bible says so".

[@spider-man9118]

we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible, hit me up if you're interested

[@LindeeLove]

How can he love me. He doesn't know me.

[@night_city_nights]

On the matter of existing, this guy confuses atheists for his god.

[@LPNurja]

idk if he's the one, but I talked to someone like this on Twitter, and just told him I exist and am indeed an atheist. And then he told me I need to show evidence that I exist. Not as an atheist, but in general. That I am real person that exists. He was serious, too. Very odd, these people.

[@Digitalhunny]

Ask this guy ONE question: Does _he_ believe in the flying purple spaghetti monster? When he inevitably answers, "No.". Than, like it or not this _is_ his proof that Atheism exists. As he doesn't believe in _that_ God, this easily explains exactly how others don't believe in his either.

[@Zero-ei8jn]

Let's reference Ray Comfort. He's definitely a credible, reasonable source.

[@jefffarris9238]

If it is so obvious to everyone on the planet that God and Jesus exist, why do Christians spend SO MUCH TIME and SO MUCH EFFORT needing to convince everyone? Why do they need to spend YEARS learning how to defend something so obvious? Maybe because it simply isn't so obvious to people who are not Christian, not just atheists?

[@neonshadow5005]

People just keep insisting that their God is real but when it comes to justifying their faith .. they keep throwing out clowns like this and that's something I really would start asking if I engaged on this topic .. it's like, how can you believe in something that when asked to defend it .. this kind of thing is what you have?