The Circus Was Irritating

[@vanitymoth]

New episode review is here, thanks for waiting. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5_JYWCemreIjrs

[@poyloos4834]

One of my largest gripes is how we have just been entirely detached from what it was meant to be. It stopped being “three zany imps and their edgy hellhound get into wacky hijinks as they go up to Earth with the help of a horny owl to kill humans for money.” by episode 5, never to return, and instead became “horny imp and horny owl are actually depresso espresso, with a lot of issues and heartthrob romance drama, while having to work out their toxic relationship.” Millie and Moxxie basically only exist to fill the episodes song quota at this point, Stolas and Blitz have become the main characters, despite the show starting with him as just a fan favorite side character, and Loona is only given character when it contributes to Blitz in some way. Vivsie saw how popular stolitz was and decided to make that the show, which is a big no no, as it’s basically turned into it’s own fanfic.

[@vanitymoth]

That’s exactly how I feel. I will probably make a video about Helluva Boss as a whole that will share very similar sentiments.

[@its_a_poncho]

I thought too it was supposed to be episodic, and Hazbin Hotel was gonna be the story driven show. I think Helluva Boss could have juggled with both story driven and episodic, like some other shows. But no, it just was a mess 😭 It bums me out alot, cuz i want this show to succeed, but the writing is just never consistent to the story, lore, characters and world

[@ConsistentlyInconsistent_J]

yeah, I think they only planned for one season of the show then just started making stuff up for the sake of revenue, not just finishing off the season before they gave it a very huge change in the storyline was not a good idea

[@AbbysArchive]

Honestly. Ironic how the pilot was the best episode

[@Interesting_ios]

@@AbbysArchiveyesss, the rest of the show should’ve been like the pilot, it was hilarious

[@oswaldtheluckywolf]

I don't like that they changed the story to some love story. Before it was about two characters that were using each other for their own personal benefits. If Stolas winded up catching feelings that would have been fine but I feel like it shouldn't and just wouldn't work out. Also not to mention in the newest episode they completely ignored what happened at/after Ozzies episode. It's just changing a lot of stuff that definitely did not need to be changed.

[@C0RVIN]

Remember when Octavia was upset on season 1 episode 2 while at Looloo Land and she said she liked Looloo Land back when “she was a kid and her parents didn’t hate each other”? I guess that’s not canon anymore lol

[@oliviamorales9406]

Maybe I'm just reading into it differently, but I always felt there were some hints that Stella was always a neglectful wife and mother; like how in the beginning of episode 2 she hogs up the bedspread from Stolas, and doesn't even bother to check on little Via when she calls for parents at night, or how in Via's room there's only photos and drawings of her bonding with her dad instead of both of her parents.

[@C0RVIN]

@@oliviamorales9406 I don’t think the writers know what they’re doing lol

[@nebula_unauthorized3093]

nah I think that's just being unable to see the signs. Stella was a lot more discreet with her criticism back then and kids are kind of stupid. It's what happened with me as well.

[@Skewer-rat]

@@C0RVIN literally in that episode he tries to say something along the lines of “your mother and I never” like they were never in love. I think Octavia just never noticed

[@wines.]

Right like why did they make it seem like Stella was a villain from the start smh

[@turtlefox7287]

I have to agree, stella seemed to have a set up for being a complex character, earlier episodes showed some more complex feelings from her (ie. her sounding jealous or bitter during her talk with striker.) I’m hoping future episodes they might fix this but I have little hope.

[@Cherry-ki3ln]

Vivziepop was probably afraid of a ~woman~ getting in the way of her toxic yaoi

[@Marrianno]

Despite being fan of the how, I have to say that it seems Stella and the whole marriage was rectconed to make Stolas as good in the situation as possible. From Octavias earlier lines in loolooland, it seemed that, even if the marriage was loveless, at least Stolas and Stella didnt argue with each other. They even slept together. Sure, Stella was and is extremely agressive, but her hatred was justified. But obviously we cant deal with moral dillemas of cheating on your significant other in loveless mariage WITHOUT abuse, and Stalas being a heavily flawed person. Because yes, Stolas was controversial. He heavily objectified imps, countless times called Blitzo his "plaything", and he hurt Octavia because of reckless act of cheating

[@ratsandmice1612]

Yes, that's what I've been thinking. Her entire character was built to make stolas look good. And they continue to do that. It's lazy writing. And stolas is just a bad character but people see him as an innocent man. He's not innocent either.

[@NoLiveGirl]

The fandom needs to get their minds off wanting to see their favorite pairing get together rather than seeing a good story. Stolas is just hopping from one neglectful relationship to the other as it is. The two still got way too much to work on before they could even consider dating each other, but the show is just skipping over this part by giving us this backstory like "See?? They were in love long before all this!!!". It's lazy writing, and a huge letdown after how good the episode at Ozzie's was

[@kmac291]

Apparently there was gonna be an episode dealing with the aftermath of Ozzie's but it got cancelled due to legal BS

[@NoLiveGirl]

@@kmac291 u mean episode 8? It didn't get canceled it just got delayed, it still coming

[@daviddedios8273]

@@NoLiveGirl hopefully episode 8 gives the answers to why stolas and blitz are on good terms or that's what i see?

[@Marrianno]

​​@@kmac291 I thought the episode will focus more on Blitzø and Lunas relationship and how he dealt with situation at ozzie(only from Blitzøs side)

[@IMayOrMayHaveNot]

IKR it's like they forgot what forced shipping did to Star VS The Forces of Evil. Worst last season and season finale ever. Self-indulgence in high quantities is venom to consistency and coherence.

[@irondragondxd3836]

This show is a great example of “trying too hard to be mature”. With the constant flow of curse, sex gags, and blood. It really sprints beyond the mature line and comes off like a teenager trying to act adult just because they finally can make jokes or talk like this. But in reality, there’s a balance to how much you use, Helluvaboss just went way over limit.

[@bluegirl278]

@IronDragonDxD honestly I love this show and it’s plot but I have to agree. I find it’s jokes really predictable and I feel like no one ever really talks about that.

[@irondragondxd3836]

@@bluegirl278 They totally are, not to mention the action scenes are also not good. Episode 6 is the worst offender of that. They paint it as impressive they cut down all those agents when they have guns where the agents had melee weapons, when in reality it’s not at all. Had me rolling my eyes at that.

[@terrizoop3739]

@@irondragondxd3836 I’m gonna have to strongly disagree with you on that. The fight was never meant to be some grand “challenge” for them, it was a cathartic bloodbath that served as a good follow-up to the previous emotional scenes with Moxxie and Blitz. In Blitz’s case, this was literally just his way of letting off steam after getting personal with Moxxie. If you think episode 6 was some offender for fight scenes then I have to tell you that fight scenes don’t always have to indicate something is at stake. Blitz’s internal turmoil is the main conflict of that episode than anything Moreover, on the sex and blood jokes, I think Helluva Boss often got away with that because it had depth and heart beneath just the “adult” jokes. It wasn’t like family guy where the violence serves as the only comedic punchline. Nowadays idk if that same sentiment can be said, since the show feels a lot zanier and weirder in the current episodes

[@veryAndverySadman]

You got a point

[@irondragondxd3836]

@@terrizoop3739 Nah man, it was stupid either way. Even if it wasn't meant to be a challenge the agents using melee weapons was beyond stupid. Bloodbath scenes especially the way they did that are just edgy BS. I do not for a second think that the scene was anything other than edginess being cranked up to maximum. Because that scene still had a ridiculous amount of agents for no reason, nor was it explained why they would use melee weapons of all things.

[@ArchiesMom518]

OK so I realized this was probably done this way to to show how greedy his dad is and doesn't but what's always bugged me is if pimon offered whatever blitz's dad wanted why didn't he take a shit ton of money from him for blitz? I know it was probably written that way to show how little his dad cares for him but seriously why have your Son make a plan to go steal from them on the play date when you could have just asked for all of that from pimon To begin with? Again I get that it's meant to drive home how much blitz is not cared about by his dad but it just made no sense to me

[@jojomicswagens8876]

It might be because of how much money Blitzo’s made by robbing everything inside. He might have been satisfied by just that, and not worry about extra up front payment when it’s probably just a drop in the bucket compared to the fortune they made just by stealing everything that wasn’t bolted down. Plus if Mr bad dad might have thought if asked for too much, he would lose this chance. Better to not risk it now to pay out big later.

[@leavemealone802]

Vivz trying to write comedy: put some f bombs in it Vivz trying to make adult content: put some f bombs in it This was always Vivz whittling style. It never changed, it never evolved. This is why is so.... immature and, let's say weak

[@daddydwaved]

Okay sorry I respect your opinion but you just hating on Vivizie just for the sake of it rather than giving her fair criticism to help her improve,Vivizie is not the best at writing but sorry your just being a d*ck for the sake of it

[@daddydwaved]

Sorry but I just saw some comments on helluva boss reviews and drama and your just basically hating on her shows just for the sake of it rather than actually having fair criticism to help her improve in her shows and even though she isn’t the best at writing but saying her comedy Style is immature is completely uncalled for like sorry but your saying her humor is immature but you hating on her shows for the sake of it rather than giving fair criticism is not very mature edit:Now sense I Saw more of your comments you said, I can understand where you’re coming from, so yeah sorry for the rant on this goofy paragraph

[@mildlyobesegoat7262]

@@daddydwaved wrote so much, said so little

[@NefariousDreary]

Except the show is actually funny, with our without the swearing. You focus more on that than she does

[@daddydwaved]

@@mildlyobesegoat7262 yea okay??, whatever you say.

[@leavemealone802]

Even fans of "childhood friends to lovers" didn't like they did it with Stollitz Vivz, how did you managed to mess up something so easy to make?

[@8eyes]

Because it's not the allegations ruining the show, it's Viv herself.

[@leavemealone802]

@@8eyes I don't even know what ellegations it is this time, but I believe you

[@8eyes]

@@leavemealone802 Thank you. Despite popular belief Vizipop have provened multiple times to an terrible writer and one pathetic person.

[@fakehope2615]

I don't care if this turns out as an essay But okay, i need to say it I didn't really like so much the "love at first sight thing" yeah it can happen but it usually just ends in really toxic relationships since you didn't get to meet your partner better and you only stayed by their looks The episode has some bigger issues but come on, at least they could've develop their relationship better and not just "haha they're meant to be" (Tho i would've loved if their relationship stayed in "the two using each other for a little thrust and then act like they mean nothing" because that was really interesting and I was so invested on how they would develop feelings for each other I feel like this episode was more to give the fandom their ship, making stolas look like he did nothing wrong It was so cool to see stolas slowly realizing his mistakes and trying to get better for both his lover and family, but now that was just thrown away to the trash, it was mentioned in season 1 how stolas at least had a "normal" relationship with his wife but slowly turned into something awful and awkward Stella had so much potential, i don't approve any of her actions but they could've improve her character and make her even a cool villain Anyway, good point of view, i agreed in a lot of your points, keep the good work 🐢

[@spinestealer8129]

The way they butchered Stella’s character is so disappointing. Before that episode, I was interested in knowing more about her, given that some obvious context was missing and the gaps could’ve been filled in to develop a pretty solid character. But no, she was turned into a lazy straw man type because the fandom hated her prior to the episode’s production.

[@lol_4439]

Tbh that episode sucks. The only exciting things were new character reveals but it was EXTREMELY confusing and unnecessary. Also the fact with the entire plot twisting where Blitz and Stolas knew each other since kids(i had so many questions after this and its so confusing) I miss how the series were focusing on all characters equally where they go on missions and stuff, and it all got wasted on romance, trauma and drama... People have been overrating ships like PSYCHOPATHS and of course Vivz decided to join their voices and ruined the show... I hope when Hazbin comes i just PRAY that the whole abusive romance drama( aka angel dust and Valentino) doesn't become the next Stolitz because at that point I'll be forced to drop both shows.

[@thetwelfth9987]

After this episode I want Blitz to ‘break up’ with Stolas and get with Fizzarolli, they have more chemistry in that play scene than _Stolitz_ had in the entire series (it’s mostly lust driven interactions with a pinch of guilt), even as adults they have the same sense of dark, lewd humour, both childhood friends, both imps with no power imbalances. It’s ok to depict a toxic relationship in a show, what’s bad is trying to find redeeming qualities about it.

[@phanternalz]

There was a theory that Fizz parents were killed by pirates. Which would explain why he doesn't like them and how he seems to live with blitz and his family in the circus industry

[@heyimadino]

I’m pretty sure Blitzo just talked about pirates a _lot_ and Fizz was tired of it.

[@80yearoldman98]

THERE WAS A WHAT

[@eatatjoe]

My major beef with Helluva Boss and that cliffhanger is - if you have to hinge your entire episode on whether you can clear music rights or any rights at all, why make them integral to the episode anyway?! This is like, writing kid stuff.

[@Maeve-The-Brave]

You're not wrong. It is irritating and I just feel like I'm seriously missing something or I'm out of the loop on someone else's inside joke as to why people like this? Which is a criticism I also have with the next episode as well... but I'm mostly chalking this up to being due to how fanatical this particular fanbase seems to be. Thus I think there have been many very vocal superfans singing its praises while the fans being turned off by the recent episodes are just sorta growing away from it cause it's no longer enjoyable. I imagine it's probably very hard (if not impossible) to be an YT HB/HH content creator and say anything negative about it cause you'd probably immediately lose all of your audience. Which is unfortunate cause I get the feeling there are others who wana say more, but are afraid of being too harsh on it. I used to really love this show and sure I can appreciate a joke here and there in this ep, but overall, it's just becoming more and more disappointing with each new ep. Like you said, the hivemind response calling this great is very alienating and weird (and worrying tbh) to me. I actually wana hear more genuine thoughts on it and discuss some of the responses to the current complaints about the show (like about how this episode retcons its own lore, etc.). Wish I was seeing more critiques out there like this.

[@vsGoliath96]

Inversely, I don't understand the criticism these episodes have been receiving from the vocal minority. I only just discovered the show maybe a couple months ago and the two episodes of season 2 are maybe my favorite so far.

[@poyloos4834]

@@vsGoliath96 well, at least for me, I got into this show expecting a light-hearted episodic adult comedy that wasn’t driven by a major plot, because that’s what it was marketed as in lieu of Hazbin Hotel. And it was that… up until episode 5. I didn’t get into this show for a heartthrob romance drama.

[@deanotastic880]

Ok, first off I would like to say that I absolutely love this show, I am admittedly quite addicted to it. However that does not stop me from looking at and admiting its flaws, and I 100% agree, after listening to what you have to say, that this was not the best episode. But there are some things I feel that you missed. First off, you were asking if you had missed something in the scene where blitzø and fizzarolli were playing, well that scene, from what I've gathered, is meant to be foreshadowing or a wink and a nod to when fizz loses his arms and legs as we see that he now has robot limbs in the present time. Secondly, as with the scene where Stolas fights with Stella, I definitely get where you are coming from with how that scene could have been better, and I agree it could have, but I don't think it was meant to be a spotlight of Stolas at his breaking point, I think it was meant to be more of a spotlight of Stolas finally standing up to Stella, specifically when he catches her hand, however that scene could have been better if we had seen Stella hit him at some other point. It would have made the spot light on Stolas standing up to her a bit brighter. Lastly about the flashback, I definitely agree that most of it was filler but the fact that they met as kids does have meaning, especially in that episode. Stolas would have sent blitzø away when his guards found him if he hadn't already met him and so the rest of the show would not have ensued.

[@somedudewhodraws9377]

BlitZ is just a sociopath. He only cares about his failing company and himself. He does not give a shit about Stolace. Ever since S1 BlitZ has always cared about numero uno. He only screw Stolace for stress relief not because he luvs him. Hes just a manipulator and its quite amazing how Viv makes these guys super unlikable

[@Nick-xp6cr]

What about Loona?

[@rustyshackleford234]

Bro has nothing compared to Greg heffley…

[@Opalhibiscus]

That’s crazy! He’s just trying to survive using the book to support his business. He is extremely poor and has to support his daughter and friends. It was always stolas who has manipulative and disgusting

[@SadDrifter]

did you forgot that blitz and stolas are only a thing because of they’re arrangement or is this sarcasm that I’m not getting

[@Rosemont104]

This episode added the schlockiest "anime school crush/childhood friend" stuff to a pairing that didn't need it, presented the wife as the girl version of that abusive fiance character from James Cameron's Titanic (that character type was already tired by the time he was practically reincarnated as the Duke from Baz Lurhmann's Moulin Rouge). I sure hope the writers didn't use the "Depp / Heard" trial as inspiration, because that was a real life travesty compared to this one-sided soap opera of an arranged marriage. In the latter case, the much more famous man had all of the power (nevermind her own issues and treatment of others), his own fans accidentally revealed from unsealed files that he doctored his evidence against her, and took it easy singing on stage and palling around with notorious rapist misogynists like Marilyn Manson while she got the brunt of it socially and physically.

[@lilkeyla5769]

if you got anime vibes then thats on you- being friends as kids takes nothing from the show? just shows they met when young lol over 20 years had passed since all of it and stella was always like this, she only cared it was an imp, ppl just wanted to shit on stolas for cheating and missed shit- like she tried to have him killed..not thinkin abt her daughter or anything before season 2, already shows the kinda person she is when her own daughter doesnt go to her, aint nothing one sided- they never liked each other even if he tried and stella is written well, only cares for her rep xd

[@Jdudec367]

Nah it worked well for that pairing and was welcomed. She likely didn't take inspiration from that trial. Johnny never had all the power though and he didn't know that Marilyn Manson was a rapist back then obviously. Got what brunt of it? She's the one who screwed Depp's career over.

[@karma6380]

everytime a male is shown being abused by a women doesn't mean its a reference to the Depp/Heard trials, thats a terrible double standard

[@Eared-robot2-0]

THANKS FOR THIS COMMENT!! God the whole JD think really stank, this whole situation infuriates me... I really hope ur right tho and they didn't use the trial as inspiration but something tells me they did.

[@bluegirl278]

@Stephanie Marrie I honestly hate how one noted they made Stella but I love what they did with Stolas

[@utigaraptorRARA]

Show should be more about the reason the I.M.P exists in the first place

[@vanitymoth]

I completely agree, I wanted a comedic murder show, not a vulgar romcom.

[@Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn]

Ever since Harvest Moon I kinda feel that was lost. Think about it, we've only had like....... 3? 3 epsiodes on the human world? One of which (Ghostfuckers) didn't even center around a job.

[@elizabethk007]

This was a great review, your explanation about how the changed episode order due to copyright makes a lot of issues this episode had make sense now. It’s nice to see someone look at Helluva Boss critically without outright hating it

[@brown7180]

This episode didn’t seem very aware of itself. You got characters who kill people for a living, but we’re supposed to hate one of them for attempting to slap one of them?

[@f00lish_commentator8]

Yeah like I.M.P seperates family and friends the hard way but then they want us to shit on the British owl lady for nearly slapping our 'wittle uwu baby owl boy'

[@bluespectrum1348]

That's something that i find utterly ridiculous about the show. The main characters have a company based on literally murder and killing people for money. But you'll see characters slapping someone and that's supposed to be bad? It really doesn't make sense, everyone in Hell is nasty and f*cked up, that's the point, but suddenly oh no Stella tried to hit Stolas, she's so awful! Like- what?

[@nicolpineda8632]

​@bluespectrum1348 is like that doble standar in hazbin hotel with Alastor, the fans like to view Alastor as the ultimate evil in hell so they can put the rest of the characters in a higher moral ground. Like, Lastor is an irredeemable sinner because he kills people for fun...just like the rest of the characters in the series except charlie. SA is horrible when it happens to angel dust, but doesn't mader if he is Ss harassing the rest of the cast or when another character is SA (moxxi,sirpentios) is played for laughing. And the whole "gay baby queer stolas" is irritating me.

[@brown7180]

@@nicolpineda8632 i think the difference between Moxxie and Sir pentious and Angel is how personal it it. For Angel , moments of SA and abuse are very personal and emotionally damaging, whereas with Moxxie and Sir Pentious it wasn't (even less so for Sir Pentious bc it was set up as him intentionally miscommunicating to hide that he had interest in a particular person, not, literally any and everyone-) So im not really bothered by there being both jokes and serious takes on the same thing.. Kinda like how Blitz is very obviously traumatized by the death of his mom, but doesn't give two shits about running a whole buisiness for killing people. The difference is one is personal and one isn't/

[@krmKB]

They want to make the show more for kids.... even though its for adults...

[@beamer8907]

i mean if they dont want the episodes to get age restricted theres is gonna be a limit

[@karma6380]

You say that as everyone curses every 5 seconds and verosika exists

[@krmKB]

@@karma6380 never said completely for kids, at this point Helluva boss is just like watching Amphibia but with curse words

[@artistanthony1007]

​@@beamer8907 They do this with Hazbin too though, there's literally no axx on characters especially that nude Fox Sinner and no evil characters like Val, adult content or the humor feels any different or at all mature.

[@Flayora]

Okay but why the FUCK did Stolas offer for Blitz to come in and watch a movie claiming Octavia is at Stella’s. When she clearly isn’t. This episode just creates SOOOO many plot issues!

[@AmateurStorytime]

That actually gets addressed in the episode itself. When Stella yells at Stolas, he asks her, "Why are you still here? You leave with Via on weekends, but then you stay around the house despite everything." And Stella answers, "I like tormenting you"! Meaning she took Octavia to her own place, but then purposely came back just to spite Stolas.

[@strwbrryzizi]

It feels like they're just making the story up each episode and changing around some details importing to the plot

[@2l84me8]

They need to stop retconning their stories and characters and try to stay somewhat consistent.

[@artistanthony1007]

You have anything to say now? They did it again, with this show and Hazbin.

[@akanesaotome5924]

I think they used this episode to retcon the main complain of the accusation that Stolas forced Blitzo into relationship with him, with would be a big problem if this was kept vauge, or even worse confirmed that Blitzo fell in love with his r*ist.

[@polishdragon4853]

him catching the slap indicates that its not the first time it happens, it indicates that it happens so often how can easily and casually catch it without a problem.

[@cartoondeathnoises8756]

I actually love Stolitz as a ship, but so far the new season is really bothering me. Season one ended on such a crucial point in both Blitz's life and Stolas's feelings towards Blitz, and while S2E1 was enjoyable on its own, KZbinr HezuNeutral explained my problems with it(mainly the switch from stolas and blitz both being a bit toxic but having a huge power imbalance in Stolas's favor to Blitz being revealed as Stolas's first friend and being the sole manipulator in starting the situation, and changing Stella from a previously loving wife(noted by Octavia) that turned into a bitch after years in a dying relationship to an arranged wife that was violent and crazy since she was a child, and a consistent physical abuser shown by Stolas expecting her slap) much better than I can in the context of the whole show. But when I saw it, I was like "ok cool, we're getting a little flashback before the show goes into the intense character development that was set up in the previous episode" but then in S2E2 the whole thing was completely dropped in favor of 5 minutes of Octavia and Loona sister development in what's otherwise a filler episode. It's....not looking good. I may have to get back into fanfiction to find someone that wants to actually carry on with the stuff that was going on at the end of season one...

[@vsGoliath96]

I think the funniest thing is that these last two episodes have been some of my favorites in the entire show. 🤣 To each their own, I suppose?

[@oliviamorales9406]

Yeah while I do agree the latest episodes aren't the best written compared to certain episodes in the 1st season, I still enjoy watching the show just to see these characters interact off each other, and I thought the last episode was really fun even though I notice the obvious inconsistencies

[@penpointexpress]

And the missing episode ended up having basically no blitz stolis at all. All we got was more about how sad blitz is.

[@a_naotenhonome780]

Honestly the writing on this episode was so lazy, i still hate how they made his wife a shallow character so the audience could hate her. Your review pretty much says how i feel , needs more criticism than just blindly praise

[@pastelstarchild4833]

My thoughts exactly! And people gave me crap for it saying “ not every villain has to be three dimensional!” Ok yeah, but she’s still terribly written though smh

[@a_naotenhonome780]

@@pastelstarchild4833 while i agree that not every villain needs to be super complex, in this case she needs to be, because if the intention is to represent a abusive relationship they should show why she act like that , Was it because of trauma? Abusive parents? Or something But nah they just decided to make her mistreat Stolas because YES

[@pastelstarchild4833]

@@a_naotenhonome780 exactly! What I thought was that she thought the marriage was fine until he cheated on her, then she snapped and became abusive. It would show that they both messed up, but neither of them were really the bad guys. They each had understandable motives. Now wouldn’t that have been a much better story than the garbage they decided to go with?🙄

[@Birdyboys]

@@pastelstarchild4833 I god the same bad argument. 1 dimensional villains are for slice of life cartoons or one off characters, not a major character in someone’s life??

[@RavenStarMedia]

"Made her a shallow character"? Stella was shallow from the first episode we see her and it baffles me that people didn't automatically see that.

[@its_a_poncho]

Okay the way you described the bedroom scene, really makes and gives it layers. I really liked your interpretation. But I feel like it was unintentional for the writers to make it that smart 😭 I still feel like they needed to justify and make a firmer nod to Stolas's behavior and retaliation to the affection.

[@Jayson_grayson]

You know, instead of saying, "A woman who identifies as a guy", you could just say "trans man'. (I do agree with the whole video, but that was really my only gripe)

[@bluespectrum1348]

You can identify as a guy and not be trans?

[@crowdlycrow3632]

I say it like that because I confused trans man and trans woman wich I don't know what changes made them.

[@themightypitazita]

Your thoughts were super well organized- I loved your video for it! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the episode- balanced takes like this one are very much needed.

[@vanitymoth]

This KZbin thing is pretty fun. Please share your overall thoughts on the video, what were your favorite and least favorite aspects? Thank you all so much for watching!!!

[@mysticeli3163]

Although I liked this episode I must admit that I agree with you that I too wish they gave more Stella development. Like if you remember how in avatar there are a few episodes that give information on how Azula became who she is, or in Arcane how Powder became Jinx. I wish they would have at least done a cut to her either becoming evil, or just showing foreshadowing in some way. (Other than the picture Paimon showed to Stolas.)

[@SylverQrow]

Biological male n female imps have different colored horn. Cant confuse the two.

[@jilliancrawford7577]

I know this is a weird nitpick, but why was Stolas suprised that he was in an arranged marriage and upset about it? Hear me out; if he knew from a very young age that he would be told his purpose upon his birthday, would he not have also been taught to anticipate an arranged marriage too? Would he not have been excited and curious to find out who his father chose for him and then get upset upon realizing what it would really mean to have his partner chosen for him? Maybe even upset that his arranged partner wasn't a boy and start to wonder why he was hoping for that as the very first hint that maybe he wasn't straight? I just figure it would have been groomed and normalized into him since day one. Back in the dark ages before we knew the effects of incest, the idea of marrying and reproducing with your cousin was normalized with royals. I would assume a similar thing of normalizing an arranged marriage would have happened with the royals of hell too.

[@SadDrifter]

I think he was upset cause Stella didn’t seem nice at all from the photo and well if you were told you would be forced to marry someone who is perfectly fine with choking they’re pet to death I think anyone would be pretty upset

[@SuperBuahahaha]

That is a really good episode analysis, please keep doing what you do! ❤

[@theresivy]

i feel like this show is gearing towards the Star vs the Forces of Evil ending…

[@enegizedadam]

Just like indie horror indie animation suffers from poor writing, poor humor and the only saving grace of these shows is the animation but like with video games graphics aren't the only thing you need to do well. Also the Relationships in Helluva are Wattpad fanfic level this show is nearly beyond salvation if you ask me

[@tonythunder6048]

At this point I’m still waiting for a Millie episode based on Millie. Because this feels slightly like DBS where there’s a bunch of characters that seem important but then sometimes it boils down to the “Goku and Vegeta show” (I love it Tbh) but instead of this being a good, mature show it’s just “The blitz and Moxxie show with stolas” in my eyes sometimes

[@arnold20139]

All this "in Fandom fighting" reminds me of the Steven Universe Fandom when Steven Universe wad popular.

[@lauramarsanchez145]

I thought that Stolas had a million years ☠️

[@ghettopizzeria6513]

this was a great video! the way you explain your views is a lot better than most bigger commentary youtubers. also your look into the production to see how the episode could’ve been changed was very interesting to hear. are you gonna cover the newer episode as well? because that one’s gotten a lot of criticism

[@karma6380]

4:58, Blitzos dad has a male horn pattern and also literally has a beard. 8:31 the show is obviously far left and quite literally has 1 straight relationship, its pretty obvious what their political beliefs are and the slap had nothing to do with the Johnny Depp trials, just because they have domestic abuse doesn't mean its a reference to it, it is more of showing that men can indeed also be abused in relationships. 9:20, its in no way a joke its just a demon swearing, it wasn't supposed to be funny, the second one was because he's calling his own son a bitch, it shows the viewer how little he cares about his son. 10:07 it's very known by now if you've made it THIS far in the series that demons in heII curse a lot, its not that big of a deal and you're really making something out of nothing. The first part (4:58) was just unnecessary and was a poor attempt at being funny, ironic. Though you ARE right about the missing information thing, being left off on a cliffhanger then going to this filler episode, then in episode 2 all the story and plot just disappears its so stupid.

[@tylere.8436]

Since then, this show has gone off the rails, like the recent episode has Striker back, but then nothing really happens and Stolas just doesn't take it seriously; Blitz is more concerned about Loona's shot than saving Stolas, and the tonal whiplash is just so apparent. And oh yeah, still no clients for IMP yet

[@vanitymoth]

I wanna say thank you for all the support and kind words you have all given me, your comments have been the highlight of my life from the time I uploaded this video to the present day. For those wondering I am currently working on the review of the newest episode of the series but I do work over 40 hours a week so it just might take a little while but I promise that will be my next video.

[@beamer8907]

if the show is so bad as you say. why even talk about it.

[@karma6380]

@@beamer8907 he literally praised the show in this video you just didn't hear him out

[@christophersurles9980]

Any fandom who heard someone talk shit about there series with get heart attacks

[@tabithapritt6895]

I get it that some people didn't like it, but it doesn't mean it's a bad episode.

[@vanitymoth]

It’s still one of the highest quality indie animation projects on the internet, it just didn’t reach the bar that the previous episodes set.

[@tylere.8436]

It fundamentally steered the show in a completely different direction; from being a decent episodic comedy about IMP assassinating humans for Hell clients to now a botched miniseries about Stolitz shipping galore with no real substance. Yes Stolas and Blitz being together was important, but not paramount in S1, mostly revolving around the Grimmoir, the central story was the IMP business.

[@dakotapuppers9870]

Feels like Viv is getting lazy with her story writing. I’m scared to see Hazbin hotel :/

[@borecsalat6101]

We have explored backstory of Fizorali, Blitz and Stolas. So we can now figure out full Blitzø's life and many chanels did that.

[@bigmanshimsham]

8:22 I feel like this is a odd way to interpret this scene

[@jojomicswagens8876]

I understand your opinion, and you are entitled to have it. I just wanna give my two cents about this episode and why I personally enjoyed it. The main part I liked about this episode was learning about stolas’s backstory. Even if it was things we already assumed(note:you say things we know at the beginning, but really it’s mostly stuff we thought happened, with the one exception being Blitzo fumping Stolas for the Grimore) I enjoyed seeing some of the details about Stolas’s life that lead him to where he is now. Things like why he was married to Stella, why they were still together, what lead to Blitzo fricking Stolas in the first place, they are things we guessed but I liked how they were elaborated on. Also, maybe I’m just daft,but I kinda thought the whole Blitzo thinking blood is cool as a child thing was actually pretty funny and a fine foreshadowing. I enjoyed it, although maybe I would have liked it better if it was done in a different way, I don’t know. Also also, about Stella, I think that although it’s a shame that the trope of the women being evil semi justifying the guy cheating is being perpetuated here, I think it works well enough. I actually think that not all evil characters need to have some complex motives for being evil, honestly it’s kinda refreshing in my opinion to just turn my brain off and have a bad guy just be bad. Also I really think that Stolas and Blitzo are just happier together and I love their characters, so I might be a bit biased. But in the end, all that matters is that I really enjoyed the episode, and it fights Ozzie’s for my favorite. What matters is not what caused me to like it that much, it’s ok to just like something cause you do. Just like it’s ok to dislike something others enjoy. If you ever read this comment, I appreciate you reading it all the way through and considering it. I really wish that when it comes to relatively unimportant things like favorite episodes people would be a lot more respectful of the others opinions, so hopefully I practiced what I preached in this comment. Doubt anyone’s gonna read this far, but it felt good writing it out. Probably why people like attacking things they disagree with so much.

[@vanitymoth]

Different opinions are what makes the world interesting, my friend. Great review, hope to see more of your thoughts on future episodes in the comments. :)

[@magicnomaly_purplespadestudios]

I hate this episode but also love it??? Feel the same way about the whole show tbh. This filler episode was mostly world bulding and it uh.... kinda felt like a fanfiction? Just the kiddo part. It was dumb... useful but?? Pissed me off? I wanna make a giant ass breakdown of everything good and shitty with this show but uh... cant make videos

[@vanitymoth]

If you ever do start making videos, you got yourself a new subscriber :)

[@HelluvaOpp]

I know this is off-topic, but Why the fuck do people always flock to bigger KZbinrs whose content lack effort in their videos, while leaving the Small KZbin who put effort in their videos in the dust???

[@itsmestarlett]

Blame the KZbin algorithm rather than the ppl who watch the vids. Also I'm not saying that smaller KZbinrs don't put effort int their vids but larger KZbinrs put a lot of effort as well. But sometimes the effort they put in goes unnoticed. Just pointing it out sorry if I come off as rude.

[@Eared-robot2-0]

It's the algorithm my dude, it's literally a gamble for attention.

[@vsGoliath96]

Algorithm.

[@mora118]

I took away from the bedroom scene that it all was a misunderstanding. Like.. Blitzo doesnt want to have sex with Stolas but he needs to get the book. So he comes onto him.. Hard.. And in a way that he dosent actually seem to enjoy. But thats how he came onto Stolas. So of course Stolas latches onto that way of doing the deed. it makes sense for why hes so freaking out there. Hes mirroring what Blitzo did and thinking that its ok xD Just was my take away on that one.

[@rustyshackleford234]

Wonder if Jeffery dahmer was obsessed with blood as a child like blitzo was…

[@AlexMourning5635]

I think Stolas catching the slap is meant to be him "finally" standing up to her, but we haven't seen anything that would imply he was scared of or put down by her abuse. Yeah, she was over the top performative, but nothing we see on screen shows she was physical before now. They don't even have Stolas really put together the attempts made on his life were by her, she just glares and smiles at him and I guess we're supposed to infer he just knows it was all her? She's just a caricature of abuse.

[@kill-sama0]

To be honest it has the energy of a filler episode with a little backstory to keep people invested in the show. I don't really see this as a plot episode because we've seen all of this before. That's also my opinion in some of the episodes with no growth in anything whatsoever. I know, I have a very unpopular opinion.

[@heyyou193]

What I find very very odd during this chapter is that Blitzo stole from Stolas's family as a young kid. Yet Stolas (adult, who understand what was really happening) doesnt remember that when he hears Blitzo is trying to sneak into his room? Like, even if he didn't care about the material stuff ... you would think he remembers Blitzo lied and used him the first day they meet

[@nilge90]

5:00 if you want do know an imps sex you just need to look at thd horns f. Females have mostly black horns with tiny white stripes while male have 50/50 black and white colorsceme

[@wolfiegirl83]

While I personally think this episode is a better one of season 2, I was terribly disappointed that they've decided to make Stolas in love with Blitz since he was a kid. I would've been fine with them saying he's known Blitz since childhood, but the whole "being in love since childhood" trope is overused and it made me really disappointed a show like this used that trope. And I'm still disappointed by it. EDIT: also I'd like to disagree with you on how bad the song is. To me, it's one of the best in the show and is probably my favorite. That's my opinion though

[@UltimateDurzan]

A lot of this episode provides additional context and characterization through the fleshing out of backstories

[@clownypoundy6834]

You deserve more subs hopefully you would.

[@Youaremyspecial183]

I hate Stolas: It's not because he suffered at his wife's hands that he's poor, he literally harassed Blitzo ALL THE TIME. And no, Blitzo really didn't like that. (And she made Blizto the villain, really cool) After the Asmodeus episode, she changed everything, everything for the worse (made the typical female character that only serves to be hated. She wanted only one gay couple not to have something sexist in between 😍) For sure Stolas x Blitzo is one of the worst couples I've ever seen, and as a gay guy, I feel extremely offended. They always portray gay couples as if they were animals hungry for sex, harassers and etc...This is very offensive, really

[@Opalhibiscus]

You’re completely right!! And reversing victim and abuser is called DARVO which is an abuse tactic

[@artistanthony1007]

Yeah honestly, it was looking back especially the attempt at showing Blitz and Stolas "had became friends", that shxtty shot with the Chandelier is really horrible to have as a message especially with Blitz stealing things the entire time.

[@aaronatkinson177]

The best episode from this series for me so far still the loo loo land episode

[@mysticeli3163]

If you didn't like it that's understandable, perhaps as you said the comedy is very subjective.

[@moonzie37]

The thing that makes me mad about this show is how they wasted such potential just for shipping and jokes about blood, sex, cheating... Imagine how amazing it would have been if the story had started off when Blitzo was a child and had gotten an entire season to grow and change into the demon we know him as. The same should have been done with Stolas, Moxxie, Millie and Loona, so that's five seasons in total for us to get the know the mains on a deeper level than what we (unfortunately) got. New characters keep coming and coming but for what? They're all underdeveloped. One of my favorite scenes was what happened to Moxxie's mom, and the conversation between Loona and Octavia. I know the show was originally meant to be episodic, but I can't be the only one who sees its potential as a serialised show.

[@clownypoundy6834]

What do you think of stolas design in this show?

[@wiwitutsu2175]

Trying too hard to be a tumbrl sexyman

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Highly inspired by Grimm from Hollow Knight

[@aliezahjuarez1212]

Wow your so famous I wonder how KZbin would do for you in the future?😮‍💨

[@vanitymoth]

Hopefully I can create content that can get as much attention as my Helluva Boss videos. The show will end one day and then what am I gonna do? 😅

[@WeNeedAMeteor38274]

Paimon :Ehe? Te nandayo!!

[@BeeRitual]

The whole purpose of the episode was to recontextualize Stolas to make him more likable since he basically Winstined Blitz in season 1 and cheated on his wife. They needed Stolas to actually be in love with Blitz before the deal happened to make the deal not about a super rich privlaged asshole using power to get sex from a lower class man and them mutually using one another for personal gain, but actually about a uwu innocent shelterd lonely baby who's just trying to spend time with someone he's been in love with since he was a child, while Blitz is actually the worse party for using Stolas genuine feelings for him to steal the book. And Stella, who was never justified in trying to assassinate Stolas even if he did cheat, needed to become a cartooniahly evil one note villian so that once again, Stolas can become the uwu innocent baby who did no wrong and it's not his fault that bad stuff happens to him. He even says in their argument "if I hurt you, I'd be sorry, but we both know I didn't," which just felt like an argument directed at people who pointed out his cheating was wrong. Well now she's cartoonist abusive and always was, so the cheating was actually a girl boss moment for Stolas that hes meant to be praised for, good for him. This is why the Circus is my least favorite episode personally. Stolas was a flawed but human character in season 1, an asshole among assholes but in season 2 he's just a whump and not held accountable for anything bad hes done, if he does anythibf bad you can gurentee its justified in some way. Whatever bad stuff he does, whoever he did it to is 1000x worse, so we can just cheer him. Not to mention he's one of the strongest demons in hell yet always needs to be saved, because again, he's a whump. The writing bends over backwards trying to victimize the most privlaged and elite asshole in the cast and the gaslightinf ruins most of the show for me. I still watch because I enjoy Blitz and Fizz, I just can't stand the episodes thay involve Stolas

[@Nibiru_-_Gen_Z_Warlock]

0:33 i mean.. who here watching this show believes or lives by god too begin with, unless the wiki is ran by monkeys, which surprisingly is almost never the case lotta wikis are pretty well put together. idk what he means ill look at it later

[@Nibiru_-_Gen_Z_Warlock]

bad background pattern? the fact he isnt even talking about the right wiki, same universe with 2 different shows. maybe thats the weirdest thing also i dont need god i can do it myself (lul)

[@otherstuffd6524]

19:24 that’s how people who are British say herbs. I know cause I’m British 👌

[@HTFWSFWWE]

It's weird you thought Blitz's father was his mother when the audience saw a picture of Blitz's mother (as well as his twin sister) on his phone back in the first season's finale. Like how did you possibly manage to confuse the two parents? Also male imps always have thicker white rings on their horns than female imps, and his father had a goatee, so how did you even think his father might have been trans? Basically what I'm saying is that your confusion confused me.

[@RavenStarMedia]

While you do make some good points, you're wrong about this episode being made a flashback just to account for Episode 8 being delayed. Episode 8 is supposed to be a visual spectacle with a song about Loona at a hellhound party. That's it. The animatics for this episode were shown in the Season 2 reel at the start of the year, before they knew about the delay. This was a flashback episode not because of Episode 9's delay, but because they always had this intended to be a flashback episode. Season 8 is just supposed to be well-animated filler, nothing advancing the Stolitz plot.

[@bigdodo1408]

stella did nothing wrong

[@psychofilm6976]

Yah I do have my beef with the whole fandom. I’m making my own story but since my oc turn into a anti villain who attack imp make the fandom lose there minds since nooo don’t harm my loona waifu 😒 Honestly the loona simps are the worst since A she overrated and 2 half of the fandom are kids so they think this is peak adult entertainment. In my response see primal.

[@Takinyakeys]

Primal is a amazing show bro

[@bera580]

man the kids are simping over a selfish, ungrateful bitch

[@psychofilm6976]

@@bera580 yah tell me about it😞 like wow she a top tear waifu. Like have these people seen another character?

[@riftshredder5438]

You're looking too deep into an internet web show

[@Lumberjack_king]

13:13 i mean his daughter is a goth girl thats just how they act

[@ilovefish9458]

I think my issue is how unfocused, messy, and you have to watch and read other content to get info. Terrible story writing!

[@kinkajoutherainwing9322]

No no no I love the show and the episode

[@Dingus-69420]

5:58 This is also foreshadowing frizz’s injuries. I don’t see a problem with Blitzø’s dialogue, I think that it’s pretty neat that he has always had a love for action. Also the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard comment was really random, it was trying to show that Stella is not only verbally but also physically abusive. It was really out of the blue. I agree on Stella’s lack of character, I feel like she needs more depth, she just feels like a plot device.

[@bulbasaurkindahawtngl2345]

It’s herbs.

[@ThatFootbaIIDude]

Eh, never liked the show and now i hate it

[@daddydwaved]

Than what are things you did like about this show

[@PeterEgbuna-ne9bp]

At this point just let stolitz die

[@NefariousDreary]

Oh God you're one of those guys who makes a bigger deal out of something than what it actually is. 🙄

[@sinofman]

Like most you missed it. Yes the show has issue but you missed it. a framed 3 bloody cards and or paper on blitzo office wall. I have made videos on how to decode the show. You all still get sucked in by miss direction.

[@aishamcmillian3688]

All right so the reason the two friends hate each other they used dating I found a video about it so do not come for me come for the person who made the video I'm just spitting facts that I know of okay

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

This episode of Season 2 is pretty interesting especially with the whole backstory of how Blitz and Stolas meet as little kids. Plus I love seeing Stolas stand up to Stella.😊😏

[@dylancashen5922]

He could have done that sooner rather then later that's just time wasted

[@atinybruh]

Same, we finally saw stolas stand up to her which is more impactful than being hit because its already known that she abused him many times

[@dylancashen5922]

@atinybruh do honestly think I defend stolas or care about he is being abused why should I always

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

@@dylancashen5922 Time wasted?

[@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982]

@@atinybruh Yeah, I feel really bad for Stolas.

[@cursed6346]

I agree this episode is bad, but I disagree heavily on why you think it’s bad. 1. Your points about this not really giving much when it comes to a story is kinda stupid??? As this is a backstory episode, this is obviously not going to give much information about the current happenings in hell. I also just find your argument in general kinda dumb, since like filler exists? Obviously, there does need to be some explanation for the ending of season 1, but if you’re coming in with this mindset of "Oooo everything needs to have story 0 filler!", Then that’s just kinda dumb imo. 2. So uh why did you randomly ramble about the slap scene? You, for some reason, threw in politics in what tried to be a emotional scene in the show because a joke about politics was in Season 1 Episode 4? Like that was just a very random and a shitty take to bring up, that served 0 purpose but to just randomly bring up politics. Also, the entire argument about "If they wanted to show impact with the slap why didn’t she slap him!" Like what? The entire thing is that he is rebelling against her for all the abuse. Why did you randomly come to the conclusion it was just "Durrrr abuse bad" when this is legit about their toxic relationship and not some moral! This is Daft Pina level critiquing. Also, what were you on about with the slap not hurting Stolas? Like again, the entire thing is that she has abused Stolas a bunch and now he is rebelling by stopping her from doing it again. Did you want her to pull out a gun or something? Those were the only 2 points that made me think "What are you talking about?". I feel like you should probably get less side tracked on random bs (Again, why did you randomly bring up Amber Herd?) and (no offense) look at the entire show in a retrospective to actually understand plot points. (Again Point 2 boggled my mind, the most I can at least understand why you’d dislike filler). I think this episode is bad because it ruined Stella. Imo season 2 just dumbs down all the Helluva Boss characters to their stereotypes. It’s kinda dumb. The show made Stella basically say "You, focking bastard, I sure just love torturing you!" , For the show supposedly being 18+ it talks to their viewers as if their 2. Like, yeah, I know Stella is a bitch why spell it out? And also how the backstory was handled kinda felt like an AO3 fanfic (and not the good kind). It was just too stereotypical with the "Love at first sight!" Trope. Me personally I prefer my love stories with build up and not as just a plot device of "love at first sight"

[@heinzstemmer1929]

Stolla is not a FURRY

[@crowdlycrow3632]

Man he is, is a antro owl ._.

[@__________________________9190]

You're right, he's an emo heartbroken furry

[@Anti2020s]

I don't know what i said

[@lordhenrykillingbelow8330]

Learn to type right.