The Clash-Train In Vain[Live 1983]

A nice clip of the Clash at Glen Helen Regional Park in CA on May 28, 1983. The song is "Train In Vain". RIP Joe.

[@herc_ules_therealone]

This drummer really highlights how good Topper was.

[@stephenstone8480]

Topper is for sure one of the top 5 drummers of all time...a seriously underrated and overlooked drummer.

[@maddie8415]

Yes! I couldn't immediately put my finger on what this version is missing, but I think it's Topper's drumming above all.

[@DMo1986]

The band that mattered the most 🇬🇧

[@IlliniJake]

Mick Jones was always the brilliance in the band

[@lottesundstrom908]

Mick is saying, “I have me another gig lined up called Big Audio Dynamite, later mates”.

[@andrewbrown1463]

It was OVER without Topper and they all knew it. They needed time away from one another. Bernie Rhodes was back in the mix and was pushing Mick out as Mick had Bernie sacked years prior. Joe was very influenced by Bernie. Letting Bernie back in as Manager was the real beginning of the end. THEY MADE LINDON CALLING WITHOUT HIM. This band oozed talent and one of Rock and Rolls greatest losses to have this band fall apart. Saw Joe with Mescaleros twice. Love each of these guys (Mick, Joe, Topper and Paul).

[@jadegoodin2819]

Joe was also supportive of the other guys, especially Mick. I can't imagine how great the reunion would have been (just before joe's death).

[@herc_ules_therealone]

Pretty much sums it up. I also saw Joe with the Mescaleros in 2002 at The Big Day Out in Sydney. I chilled up the back expecting some grooves from the band, hoping they might do 1 or 2 Clash songs, not caring if they didn't. Every 3 songs was a Clash song and before long I was front and centre. As they finished, Joe was going along and shaking peoples hands in the front row as he prepared to exit. He shook mine and he was onto the next when I yelled out, thanks as loud as I could. He turned back to me and gave me a big smile. It was a magical day.

[@raulalbertomarroquin973]

Viva the Clash!!!

[@Johnnywhamo]

This is sad, the last concert they did. They were angry, didn't want to be there and it shows

[@bigsky3072]

This was really their last concert? Why?

[@9blucats]

You can kinda tell.

[@Stosh68]

@@bigsky3072 This was not the final concert with Mick. Mick’s last show before he was fucked by Bernie was the US Festival.

[@darylstubbs3784]

This is painful to watch

[@mariuspoppFM]

@@bigsky3072 Last concert with Jones

[@user-xs6ux4dk9y]

It was amazing to witness the Clash rise from punk rock 3 chord songs to doing songs from every kind of genre expertly, artfully with definite prowess. There seemed to be no boundaries for them.

[@Virginiashadow]

Simply awesome

[@FrankBittom1]

the best vibe!

[@AlexSalg-pk8pn]

I am a big fan of Joe

[@AlexSalg-pk8pn]

joe strummer would have been 71 but he died at 50 he was a good guitar player

[@CP-kb1du]

High School ,memories

[@darrendodd6674]

Burn incandescently in the dark skies of life and crash dramatically in death. For me, Jones / Topper were the real meat of the band... formidable, even.

[@andrewbrown1463]

I couldn’t agree more. Mick and Topper were the musicians and musical talent. Joe was the poet. Paul just looked cool.

[@drstevie]

Immense.

[@Dreamskater100]

Classic. x Legends.

[@tonymyers7498]

They fucked up totally....I love The Clash....fuck ups or no fuck ups

[@seispistols881]

He ain't no topper all I'm saying!

[@RuiMaia]

+julio mejia i was going to say that...

[@redhotchilifan98]

For having no practice Pete Howard was really good

[@neillp3827]

@@redhotchilifan98 he did a good job considering hed done a handful of warmup gigs and how diverse the class stuff is in styles pop, funk, punk reggae, disco early rap

[@mariuspoppFM]

@@redhotchilifan98 this should be Terry Chimes, Howard came later

[@bent2]

Nope. Chimes quit in early 83 due to conflicts within the band. Hence Pete Howard here.

[@Davy28842]

Happy international clash day

[@matthieushaughnessy4598]

How messed up are they in this clip? Can barely stand!

[@wildmercuryfilms]

Just when The Clash was hitting their stride and peaking, they disintegrated. Why? I never understood. 1983 was their Commercial Peak, then it was over.

[@rowski8872]

They had turned into everything they were first rebelling against. Mainstream. Stadium gigs. Joe was having a hard time dealing with the contradictions of their success, and knew the irony of singing songs like 'Career Opportunities' by this point. Topper was a heroin addict, Mick was losing interest and turning up late, and Bernie was pulling the strings.

[@stephenstone8480]

Sure wish they had lasted longer...but we were lucky to have them in the first place. LONG LIVE THE CLASH!!!

[@andrewbrown1463]

2 aspect led to their downfall. 1. They were burned out and needed a break. 7 years straight with no break is unheard of. And consider what they had achieved in this time. Unimaginable today. 2. Bernie Rhodes was a cancer. Mick hated him. They proved they didn’t need him (London Calling)…he controlled Joe which led to Topper and Mick being kicked out. Topper needed time off to rehab and get healthy. The others could have used that time away as well.

[@maddie8415]

It really does seem hard to understand, but I think the atmosphere in the band had turned very toxic for a lot of reasons. They had a manager that couldn't manage effectively. He encouraged rivalries and turned band mates against one another rather than help them work together better. They really badly needed a break at this time but the manager insisted on pushing them to keep going when they didn't even have a chance to think about the big picture.

[@thenobullshtchannel8768]

Seen them at pier 17 NYC there’s no vids of that show, I prefer 1977 Clash raw punk days

[@TheAnimalScout]

Red solo cup!

[@Scottishyacunt]

It’s over at this point no topper no clash!

[@randywissler9923]

Topper was the shit, but let's be honest, Joe and Mick were The Clash!!!

[@lacennapassidean943]

@@randywissler9923 I’m a year late, but just because Topper was doing heroine doesn’t mean he’s shit. Joe has even said himself that when Topper left, The Clash fell apart. The bottom line is, Mick, Joe, Paul & Topper made up The Clash! It wouldn’t been the same without any one of them. Please respect this.

[@randywissler9923]

@@lacennapassidean943 I never said he was shit, I said he was THE shit. I am a drummer as well, and always loved him, was just saying that without Mick and Joe, they wouldn't have been the same.

[@ronaldledonne2075]

This is embarrassingly bad.

[@CP-kb1du]

@@randywissler9923 4 members were The Clash

[@billballoon]

Pete Howard is not the problem in this gig; Joe is.

[@maddie8415]

I have to agree. Of course Topper's drumming was better on this song, but Joe seems pretty half-assed...he seemed kind of off his rocker at this gig.

[@clintbrannan9510]

All my barmy army friends have all got new boots.

[@thebrokenalleys]

Bass, please.

[@lespaul1973bcn]

Bad vibes...from the beginning Joe speak with mick and ignored him

[@Alanpoeme]

funny to imagine how many friends they left... punks are full of breaking up with friends, right?

[@mariolopez-fl7ly]

mii channel music

[@enriqueosorio3731]

Anyone have any idea what chords joe is playing?

[@jeff7764]

A,D B G mostly throughout the whole song. All barre chords. Octaves in the beginning on the 5th fret E string and 7th fret D string. Not to terribly hard of a song

[@cxstopher13]

All of them unfortunately.

[@lacennapassidean943]

This is sad oof

[@wildmercuryfilms]

This is the greatest live version of this song. I absolutely love it. Yes: No Topper, No Clash. Still: This version has some Pixies-Nirvana soft-loud vibes to it. It’s definitely a different version than any other version. 1983 The Clash was peaking & falling apart.

[@PaulieD1984]

This shouldve been the end isntead of cut the crap being released with a bunch of nobodys apart from strummer

[@The_Klystron7]

In space no one can hear you clash

[@toddtucker3819]

Etched it the center of side 4 of London Calling right after Train in Vain.

[@user-xs6ux4dk9y]

Mick Jones is the most listenable bad singer (probably due to great songwriting)ever !!!

[@maddie8415]

Being a good singer isn't always about technical perfection...Mick put a lot of emotion into his singing (as did Joe, who also wasn't a technically proficient singer). He doesn't seem as into it at this particular gig, but he makes for a good vocalist. It's way better than the fake "perfection" that's everywhere these days.

[@Paumanokcom]

"Jump the track" Funny...Album filler. Written in 15 minutes. Could not remember words later on.

[@user-kx6vk3nj9u]

The only band that matters

[@anthonymagda9059]

I PREFER MICK:S SINGING STYLE AND SOUND TO JOE, JUST MY LAME AMERICAN OPINION.....