The Classic WoW Playerbase is Dangerously Divided

[@MikeyJ232]

I don’t think division is a bad thing personally. Think of it as giving players more options. If Cata or MoP weren’t options, those guys wouldn’t be playing SoD, they’d be on private servers.

[@Slashresto]

Exactly, we already were for the past 5 years and Pservers are booming atm cause classic isn’t giving them what they want and they were never going classic anyway cause it’s to easy (prior to MoP).

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

The people who classically played WoW can just play classic servers instead of retail which means that the only people playing retail are people who further drive retail WoW away from feeling like the Warcraft universe. They brought Thrall back the way Disney brought back Luke Skywalker, meanwhile War Within has no orcs at all in it. It has no feeling of being tied to the original feeling Warcraft gives you.

[@violetlight1548]

"Classic + in the distant future" -- only if you wait around for Blizzard's lazy, money grubbing ass. TURTLE POWER!

[@Magechad]

@@violetlight1548 twow is dogshit since their braindead Class Changes fk that Server only thing its good for is running bots on and selling the gold, Just Had today my Personal record on twow of 17 Orders in one day. Twow devs are to dumb and to Bad to Bann ;) noone of my costumers got busted

[@aussieraver7182]

I want WoTLK back so I can return to camping Stormwind and kiting Twilight Corrupter into Stormwind. Those were the days.

[@sbkscuify]

SoD’s major flaw is that it makes older content (phases) irrelevant as the games go on. An alt doesn’t need to do dungeons to catch up. So getting groups to do dungeons like Deadmines or Scarlet Monastery can be difficult because there are faster ways to level. Classic at the core for a lot of people is experiencing the old content as it was intended.

[@andrew2616]

That’s classic era, they have that if you want to play It. People have lives and don’t want to waste time on the worst part of the game which is game. There is a reason leveling guides and boosts have been around since vanilla in 08

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

That isn't just a sod thing, that happens with every wow version when people are settled into max level. There's alot worse major problems with sod.

[@sbkscuify]

@@andrew2616 Worst part of the game? I think the fact that for a lot of players, alts are a thing. Your way you play is not representative of everyone else. If it did, we would not have Classic at all.

[@sbkscuify]

@@claytongiampaolo7848 The reason I brought up SoD is that it is more of an apples/apples comparison in the classic community. There are always tradeoffs. The tradeoff for having phases of content while adding features to accelerate leveling outside of the normal quest/dungeon path is that all of the content that is not in the current phase will be ghost towns. I hope they learn that from SoD.

[@Magechad]

​@@andrew2616 Just dinged my rogue on EU ERA PvP Cluster guess how many doungens i went into ? Exactly 0 everyone buys a boost

[@alexfdezpal]

I think MoP Classic would be the last of those Classics and from there they will move to the retail Remix formula. If you think about it even having all of the progression servers as Era servers and some Hardcore servers, the main dev time would really be put into just Classic+. The current problem is dev time split put into Cata at times and SoD at times, but without a main classic progression server they can focus on Classic+

[@CamiloHerreraLavado]

People still dreaming on classic +, no one sees that blizz only do things with a profit for themselves?, im not saying never is going to be a classic +, but if there is its gonna be so poorly implemented and its going to be shit, also the community in general sucks this days, its not 2019-2020 classic anymore, everyone loves pay2win and they remove that from the equation on sod, and people just leave. And another fact, the best of the dev teams for wow are on retail, you guys see how is it going with class balance at retail?, bug manage, exploits, bots, etc. Those devs from the past they dont exist anymore at blizz, something so huge as classic + new histories, raids, dg, class balance, class implementation, its just too much work, effort and money for 4 dudes that work on classic, and its not going to get bigger for a playerbase so small and dumb like classic players. For me as a player who enjoys good communitys and the classic feeling of the game, i pray we get prog servers between era and tbc for like 1 year each (and wotlk for those idiots), i think with the resources that blizz have for classic can be implemented and would be nice and a good place to stay for a lot of years of gameplay (between raid, pvp, rp, hardcore and stuff). (Also cata, pandaria and all that "prog" you talk about, its just an excuse to get wow tokens from classic players nothing else, they dont care about that state of the game, and it will prob continue untill legion and then they will probably think what to do with that version of the game).

[@ToxicyoRoguePvP]

Blizzard took away spell batching when they should of reduced it to 100ms. Completely ruined rogue gameplay in my eyes

[@josiahnelson8101]

I was done with SoD the minute incursions were introduced. Killed everything for me. I am a fresh WoW player here and started with SoD, switched to era after phase 3 and super glad I swapped

[@AmongRevenants]

First weekend of P3. Those paying attention noticed SoD jumped the shark. While the other 95% of the playerbase opted to run in circles to cap,

[@digitalwolf7628]

@@AmongRevenants Ya beause running through the same instance(s) over and over is better. The problem with incursions was the rediculous amount of money people made at first. My guild groups did like two incursions and said this was boring. Then we went to do other group content with all the groups in one big disc voice chat. Some other guilds we were friendly with started spamming "do incursions" and how much money they were making. We didn't care we just kept doing our thing. The real problem in P3 once you got past that gold thing was the raid. We ran the first two weeks and lost over 100 players because to them the raid was boring and showed lack of effort. By the end of Phase 3 I was looking for a new guild for phase 4. We had already lost 150+ raiders in phase 2 for the same reason they found the raid boring and that a lack of effort was put in. Phase 1 we had around 350 active members that logged in daily right up until the second week of phase 2.

[@AmongRevenants]

​@@digitalwolf7628 I was a hunter in a mega guild. Had over 100 hunters alone online that first weekend of P3 I had hunter rune runs lined up to go when P3 dropped. I couldn't get a single hunter onboard. Our guild had hundreds doing loops and circles every hour of the day for weeks. Was a great guild P1 and P2. And I watched it change overnight with unlimited access to the easy way to cap. Got myself kicked when I referred to the whole guild as a bunch of incursion, instant 50s, crackwh****, going to town on a table full of dime bags like day 1 addicts. I was right and their guild collapsed due to mass burnout and boredom.

[@AmongRevenants]

@@digitalwolf7628 If the incs were released as dailies at the start and not the meta. Maybe SoD would of turned out differently with better player retention.

[@vXCozmoz]

Seems I am shadow-banned from KZbin cause some of my comments gets deleted. Funny part is, I did not use any bad language or said anything bashful. So I try again: I love WoW Classic and will most likely play on the leaked/hinted fresh none seasonal/hardcore but I do wish for TBC fresh too. Because Classic is (only) fun until 40 man raids imho.

[@digitalwolf7628]

That just happens a lot. If you make a comment and want to edit it to even just add something you'll get an error and it's because the comment is gone. The comment could simply say "This is a great video" and it might randomly vanish, but your next comment is fine.

[@dumpalt1975]

I agree. No changes, fresh servers

[@kellypease-j2y]

"classic andies are the loudest minority" nobody has been louder in any version of classic wow than sod players. "id sacrifice the pop for classic+" yeah thats an unsub

[@hinterlandrider5300]

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[@monkeyjames9285]

I just want tbc or wrath( this time group finder out DAY 1 really hated fact couldn't into group because midmaxing I just want enter dungeon have fun) don't wrong classic fun has charm reason why people like it I just want play tbc or wrath weather talents or races or dks and warlock meta form taming Trex as bm

[@kurokamiotaku]

classic andy butthurt as usual looooooooooooooooooooool

[@daweuveges5580]

Times change and if the separation in wow doesn't work for people they hop to other games or private servers. Best option is to have whatever the people wanna play to keep the versions alive, as usual most people will hop between versions.

[@koalaninja2981]

All I want is fresh progression servers and a tbc server and lich king one to also stay open after it's done since tbc is my favorite but also the shortest ran through classic

[@kakkakontent]

I need a new muffler for my toyota corolla.

[@Rendbackhand]

Classic plus is just TBC which I'd what we actually want.

[@SolheimGaming]

I don't think the Classic WoW Playerbase is divided enough personally. Where's the love for Shadowlands Classic & Dragonflight Classic? And let's not talk about how nobody is talking about Warlords of Draenor Classic! Or maybe this new fanbase that is popping up after Season of Discovery? Have you heard of Nightmare Incursions Classic, where everything is Nightmare Incursions?

[@srfour]

Mop is what killed retail, why would anyone please classic shadow or dragonflight? Go play COD.

[@Slashresto]

@@srfourlol ur so alone in that opinion ! Mop is one of the most loved expansions there is.

[@srfour]

@@Slashresto oh no! I didn't want to have an opinion that doesn't match everyone so now I agree with you 👎🏻. Mop was horrible for a MMORPG. The buff in ICC was the beginning of the downfall. Everybody thought they were a raider, it completely changed the game. SOD is trash too and the community has really got toxic, you're proof of that.

[@Slashresto]

@ lol ICC was much easier then even Ulduar man! Without the buff even, ICC was s numbers fight it wasnt mechanically hard (for the era) besides lich king and Lk is 99% about trap and defile rest was piss easy. In MoP its the complete oposite where fights are mechanically ”hard” but not always tuned well. ToT is considered by 90% of players as the best raid of ALL time if u remove nostalgia! (Which is what keeps Ulduar possibly higher) I agree cata is absolut shit in all ways but MoP offers everyone something to do in wow not just raiders or PvP players. You can finally play dungeons all day, farming all sorts of things, RP is better, story is bigger , the world feels bigger then any expansion outside of vanilla and BC, u can do pet battles and shit like that . Vanilla has nothing to offer anyone outside of leveling, BC is tuned around 3-4x (hp/dmg) to low and wrath and cata just is so god damn boring once ur max lvl ppl end up logging on 1h a week at max

[@Slashresto]

@ SoD was slways trash i agree, i had fun leveling only .

[@AmongRevenants]

With CATA. Classic Prog is now Classic retail. And if you are onboard playing retail. Why go with classic retail when Retail is superior to it. And you can skip CATA and WoD if you choose to. There's a rich library of xpacs and Retail has had two decades to perfect their main cash shop. Private outlaw realms are already doing Classic Plus. Time for Blizz to read the room and respond with an official C+

[@cavetroll666]

Cant wait for warcraft directl to see what happens lol

[@ffarkasm]

I hope they announce Shadowlands Classic on 1 April 2025.

[@J2911L]

At the end of the day, your opinion is your opinion. I just think that 'Classic+' will be way to divisive to be really succesful. Like you said yourself, there's tons of different ideas, from class changes to fully developed raids. From reworked talent trees to absolutely the smallest changes. The playerbase as a whole is really fragmented on 'Classic+', you can see it with SoD and how hard it fell off a cliff. Now I personally am not against C+, but if they intend to go from Molten Core all the way to Naxxramas AGAIN, that's would be insane. I personally think C+ is way to much of an investment risk as a whole to even think about implenting it. They would 100% have an in-game cash shop to make it at the very least profitable, but that again would exclude a large portion of the classic playerbase due to it being so controversial. Especially when making Cata, MoP, WoD or Legion (for example) they already have an existing audience + accepted cash shop + pre-orders etc. Same with Hardcore or Classic fresh, they can spin up specific types of servers so fast, and they will always retain a good amount of players for new Classic Vanilla servers. Just my opinion, I hope for you they do make C+, I personally think it's not going to be worth it for them looking at risk vs reward in the end.

[@graemeguthrie8758]

classic was cool for like a week. im one of those 20 year veterans who played vanilla , the game sucked and we sucked back then .... get over it for the love christ. i only play retail.... ive played almsot every expansion and im proud of that. you just got a new sub!

[@zedorian6547]

Congrats? Youre old enough so im sure you have your own bag of chips ahoy so I wont offer you any.

[@digitalwolf7628]

People are willing to play what they like... that doesn't mean it's dangerously divided. It simply tells us what people should have known all along. It's less divided than it could have been due to all stupid decisions in SOD or how bad the lead dev was. To the point that Phase 1 had to have been made by someone else all together. If an actual team had been retained and given the resources needed SOD would have never had server mergers. Even with it's more active than... well you can go look at the numbers yourself I guess. Still it comes down to being an old game that they keep re-releasing. I mean there aren't exactly new AAA MMO's being released.

[@taarruz89]

Vanilla > All other expansions

[@KingKugoro]

The Dev's have indeed made a lot of mistakes. They should have stuck to 10 man raids and making NEW raid experiences. Not sure why we got recycled SoM trash and an increased raid size.

[@lennic]

Yep, ive had this same thought for the last half a year now, including retail its just a bit much

[@spastictuesdays340]

Blizzard's customers might be too up their own arses for classic+ to work out for Blizzard. Retail has the advantage of the next thing being new and undiscovered, new things have to be learned and examined before people can decide to hit the forums and bitch about them. Classic+ is messing with people's nostalgia, people know what they liked and hated, they know what they want. I don't think it's possible for Blizzard to get that right. People will be flooding the forums with hatred and loathing as soon as Classic+ is announced, forget how bad it will be when they actually start to announce any changes they are going make to vanilla.

[@Gcdmonster]

Please let us get wrath era servers

[@ahidinger93]

i just find it commical people still have faith in a blizzzard classic + they have 0 ability to make anything decent in 2024. tbh i unsub'd from era and am on a private server. will probably stay there until the tbc roll over ends

[@lazer9870]

classic+ will disappoint because everyone has different wants and those wants differ from what the devs want/think also. not to mention it would have to be monetized more.

[@Warzol]

all i can say is buddy, i can't see classic+ at all till i actually see it fleshed out... everyone's "idea" is not clicking with me. I'm just gonna wait till they release info on it. the division for WoW is okay to a point till hostile behavior happens, it's a different story entirely. i only came to SoD cause it was making classic a bit different which i feel like it was more fleshed out then classic ever was originally but it's only a testing ground/event server deal going on. SoD still has somethings left in the tank I feel but this is entirely up to blizzard's point now if they gonna release them or not. When SoD is done, I'm not playing classic shit anymore unless some how the MoP characters and the like that come full circle i can get gear from the classic era like the transmog sets and the like, i'd do mop tbh just for that fact a lone and then WoD for season 1 pvp.

[@Nikolaablg]

They shouldn’t have gone to Cata and and beyond. Should have ended it at Wrath, and just release another progression servers, Vanilla-TBC-WotLK. For people who want that garbage MoP and other retail bullshiet, they already have RETAIL for that. It is you, retail players, who are ruining the experience for us who prefer Classic. Because of you, we got SoD as it is. But you are Blizzard’s target audience, and they can not just allow for the subs to drop. “Give the players what they want..” yes, give your Vanilla audience what they want, Retail has everything already. Release Fresh Classic and everyone will be happy.

[@dreamsteal4773]

I won't be playing past MoP Classic.

[@fingen3833]

They have so many versions of the game, that they can't handle them at all. So many bugs out there, that has been there for a long time. We are reporting them, but nothing has been done at all. This will make you lose players aswell. If they can't handle all these versions of the game all at once, they should just not do it.

[@AliciaDelCielo]

I want to play as my main in classic then move her up to current expansion

[@sampel3660]

Enough classic plus cope for me. The actual dev team is unable to fully provide it. I'm aware Sod players are enjoying themselves and all, wish you the best but thats not leading to even test anything towards "Classic+" I'd be happy if we had a cycling progression server vanila->tbc->lk with decent phase pacing and the will to keep factions balanced. Era/Hc are good and will still be good 2 years in the future because they fill the niche of just raw classic. With its ups and downs in pop they are stable. What goes after Mop is unknown and i dont care that much really.

[@vanndelcg7689]

Civil War Classic Edition

[@pudgeypigeon]

I don't see a point in hardcore fresh

[@jonngarr]

They should hold off on MoP classic at least for a while

[@alleyv6624]

Continuing with the classic versions is giving money away to Blizzard, and from Cataclysm onwards the game fell apart a lot until reaching Legion, it seems absurd to me, everyone has their opinion, but the Classic versions should have ended with Lich King, continuing with the classic, fresh and other versions will only make entertaining and really fresh game modes like SoD currently garbage.

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

People are invested into their classic characters, if they just wiped it people would be pissed.

[@alleyv6624]

@@claytongiampaolo7848 Yes, but this is not about what some people want, the classic should have stayed as classic. The problem is the addiction of some people to paying for things already played.

[@theoutlander1411]

I've written at length, possibly on this channel, of why I don't think Vanilla is good, but let me dash the hopes of Classic+. I've levelled through TWOW, the often spoken about Classic+ server. The one often held up as an example. The new zones are mid, and they have to be to be balanced with the original ones. The issue is though that they are often lacking in terms of quest variety and proper flight paths. The reputation rewards for the four main races in each faction are poor, forcing the player to pick a faction to level rep with ahead of time in relation to their class (or in some instances like SW get nothing other than an Exalted level tabard). The dungeons are alright surprisingly, but the xp is kind of low and the loot ranges from useless to BiS for 10 levels. I'd give my takes on raids and BG's but I haven't entered them yet so I'll abstain from talking about them and would rather focus on the levelling experience anyway. The only major thing TWOW improves on is professions, especially for engineers. If Blizzard implemented a TWOW Classic+ experience, it would basically be CE but with a few more dungeons. People are just going to level primarily in the Vanilla zones. It's not going to be this grand adventure pitched by the community and will mostly be more of the same. Again, I'm not talking about endgame but the levelling experience. There would be so much that would needed to be fixed by Blizzard that they'd alienate one group or the other. Do you create a more endgame focused Classic + with higher xp/rep gains, better rewards and a focus on experiencing new content? Or do you go a more supplemental route where people are basically playing vanilla yet again but with a few minor changes like TWOW? Do we really need 90 gold for level 40 characters to move 60% faster in the 2020's? I support TBC and WOTLK servers for the reason you get Classic WOW how you want to play it. I find the levelling experience of 60-70 worth the time investment that 1-60 doesn't. I like the rep providing actual rewards. I like the gold rewards and relative exp gains. I like that the dungeons are not only located in easy to get to locations but provide a mix of challenge. I like that Tier 3 is on par with Tier 4 and provides an alternate gearing path (hell you can even do Naxx while levelling still). People talk about enjoying the same journey over and over again in Vanilla but once you reach 60 what do you have to show for it? Basic Riding, some profession points and a handful of dungeon items? I hope people get what they want but damn, Classic+ is way over-hyped over what we'd actually get in reality and I think people would get bored of it real fast as it will mostly just be more vanilla like we've had shoved in our face since 2019.

[@MaidensRag]

i feel like youtube unsubbed me from you. Just made me subscribe again, anybody else have this issue?

[@anarchy8263]

i just want no bots

[@thefinalskarm1754]

1:41 anyone who wants the chronoboon removed is being thrown off mount hyjal.

[@abrvalg321]

Why even play "classic" past wrath?

[@BloodWolfy]

What playerbase? xD

[@FridayNytes]

Hey man, its true all the classic players are lesser to vanilla players. Just sayin'.

[@braindamage7128]

I agree with nuking every other version but classic +

[@Kanekri]

sod > cata > hardcore > era

[@ivanthespacebiker5390]

Low level rage bait

[@Kanekri]

@@ivanthespacebiker5390 not even a bait just a fact

[@ixplain]

​@@KanekriYou listed it in the wrongest order possible

[@mYxT308]

retail > era > cata > hardcore > sod

[@johnny_eason_iii]

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[@H-D-D]

I want tbc. Or a sod tbc would be good!