"The Close Season Is NONSENSE!" | The Mixing Bowl Podcast | EP.03

Welcome to episode THREE of The Mixing Bowl Podcast where we discuss a huge range of topics!
In this episode we look at what Mick and Joe have been up to, why shock leaders are so important, is the close season outdated and fishery rules!
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[@marksaunders9292]

Absolutely great video with some brilliant technical information . I’m 61 and have been fishing since I was 8 and every day is a learning day in fishing . Just a quick aside . I fish the Severn a lot . Have a static on the river and I do a lot of bream and barbel fishing .As far as the close season goes, my theory is that they want anglers off the river for a good portion of the year because we are a group of people who spot pollution and report. I worked the water industry for over 40 years now retired and pollution is shocking in rivers . As a qualified chartered chemist/ scientist, I have stories that would make your hair curl .

[@topfuelteddy]

Nicely presented and put together guys . Keep them coming 👍

[@ianstewart6668]

Some great discussion points there Boys ❤

[@mpennington513]

Great video, like the honest approach. All clubs and fisheries should ask to see the rod license. Keep up the good work.

[@RobertWilson-os1pl]

Many years ago i fished canal matches i did are own gozzers and sourbran specials gozzers were bred on sheeps hearts i still fish all the year round at 71 yrs old and still love fishing fished angling times winter league venues rarely got canceled back in the day a great video keep them coming

[@colinmuddimer1269]

Conversation topic: Why are some 16 hooks bigger than 12? How are hooks 'sized'?

[@daveharley4302]

Love it great pub cast! Love Micks explanation of shock leaders wow! I didn’t realise there was so much to it. Real in depth information where I’m learning from one of the best Thanks Mick. Can we have one on ground bait mixes. Active mixes inactive mixes. Feeding active mixes then switching to inactive mixes. Leams and soils, when, where. What’s worked in certain situations for yourselves. 😊

[@Tommeertens24858]

Great chat, interesting topics Mick and Joe ! 👏👍

[@Northstar-Media]

Im not so bothered about closed season, but Cormorant & Otter predation is having a huge effect. All the fish are shoaling up in one area of the rivers where they feel safer, but everyone is scared of tackling the situation because they scared of RSPB 🎣✨️

[@adamharborow]

What a brilliant format. Sat by a log fire talking about fishing. I feel like i’m the 3rd one by the fire. Its now become my favourite podcast 👍

[@nathandavies7564]

Love the frequency of these mixing bowl episodes. Please keep them coming!

[@brianconnell279]

Well done to you both another good chat, look forward to the next one

[@pedrobandino5391]

Good podcast, so pleased the net limits are 50lb where I fish, who wants to lug really heavy nets around after sitting for 5 hours, totally agree simple rules are so much better, keep the podcasts coming

[@lozzawraygaming8756]

Stuck in traffic, brilliant time to watch the podcast love this series all the best, Joe and Mick

[@jamesatkinsfishing]

Another good chat from you two, please keep them coming, Thank you.

[@thomashiorns1574]

Hi. Mick and Joe, very interesting topics this week, can't wait for the great fishery pellets debate, ( don't get me started on that one)

[@Gray_vr5]

Great video lads, brought back memories of travelling down to north lincs from scarborough with my gb angling mates to fish the matches on pelican, barton and hoe hill during the closed season in the late eighties and early nineties 🎣👍

[@stephenarmstrong6620]

These are a absolute must watch. Great stuff gents 👏👏

[@simonclynshaw6049]

Really enjoying watching these, keep it up and well done Mick and Joe 👍

[@StuartBalkwill]

Brilliant. Thank you guys.

[@martynfarrow712]

Brilliant content again Mick and Joe maybe one we get set of rules all.

[@craneyc993]

Another great video lads cheers nu fish mugs needed me thinks

[@stewartwilson3258]

Great technical information there, I will admit I have never used a leader as I just don't understand how to do it, a video on the knots, differing setups etc would be great. Mick did kind of slipped when he was on about testing and venues with mention of testing a pole, this is something I would be very eager to see as everything else nufish has produced has been quality so can't imagine them releasing a naff pole and they don't try and charge the earth for their gear either. Once again a very enjoyable video guys, it's one of the highlights of the week when a new mixing bowl drops, it's soon become a regular I look forward too so thank you. I hope this continues throughout the year and not just a winter thing and can only envision it going from strength to strength, maybe the odd guest here and there would be good too for a varied opinion. Take care both and all at Nufish, tight lines.

[@FISHINGMINTY]

33:00 - That's exactly what I'm experimenting with at the moment - The compromise between stiffer rod for longer casting / casting weight of rod / tip thickness for bite detection / length of mono for the feeder to run on etc.

[@GJoynt-vu5yi]

Great content once again Joe and Mick.

[@steveduffy1800]

Yet another great watch guys. Pub cast, love it lol. The estate lakebi fish allways opened in march, it's also a camp site but they use to stock a few hundred trout so they could open. Allways fun for us young lads sat there in freezing March, great to hook a few mental trout. On the subject of line, when I fished the trent, most used an Abu 501 which took 100 yards of 2.6lb line. Like mick said, good stretch and fantastic control. Bet most anglers use line above 2.6lb now.

[@neilwayte517]

Great listen guys and i propose Mick Vials moves to number 10 downing street.

[@mikesmith4718]

Loving these. Bait limits : cost. Most anglers can't afford 12 pints of casters weekly, so it comes down to the wealthiest anglers wining

[@optimadev1371]

Another great session lads! For what it’s worth , my opinion on the Closed season is like you, it’s a nonsense ! However, where we differ if my thinking on what to do, I believe that the Angling Trust has achieved nothing, to achieve change we must change our tack, organise a large match in Bewdley, Evesham, Nottingham, London etc , mass fish ins! Very public law breaking, force a dialogue, maybe ask everyone to hold off the licence buying for a month, see how the EA feel about that. Simply talking to Martin Salter, and a couple of ministers has achieved nothing, and probably never will. There is so much going on in Parliament how will a debate on the closed season ever get raised? It won’t We must protest, I’ve done anti helmet rallies, filmed by the police as we rode our bikes helmetless, rock against racism, anti war March Just my opinion

[@kevinelliott7573]

Another cracking chat lads, re shock leaders, my old mate you may know of him Mick, Jim Baxter used to tie a short piece of light elastic between float and hook leangth to stop small fish bouncing off.

[@davidlee8999]

Top notch stuff guys great content and very well explained on the subject of rules my local commercial bans ground bait for pleasure anglers but allows it for matches and they have a fair few more match anglers than pleasure anglers to me it makes no sense

[@charlieross502]

great podcast boys but mick you let me down that cup is stiil on the table🤣, i think you are on to somthing with rules why all places can not get together and but heads down and have one set. how do you think about free running feeders and elastic ?

[@lukebooth3449]

Your comments on the rules of various fisheries putting people off is very true. I fish a fishery most weekends, so my tackle is set up to suit those rules, I've fancied fishing at some other fisheries recently but the various rules on rigs, tackle and Bait really puts me off, not because I think they are unnecessary, but because it's so varied and alot to remember, I wouldn't want to break rules accidently.

[@chriscary5157]

Really interesting conversation on Shock leaders I personally learnt a lot on this subject and looking forward to Mick showing us how to tie the lines to each other. On rules I was reading that some anglers were fishing a pole at 20 meters at Tunnel Barn Farm in a recent match, what’s are you thoughts on pole lengths

[@adriannettleton1822]

Top quality lads

[@Equens12345]

Great video

[@richardwatson5388]

I believe that river match organisers need a break as well. The River Hare has matches every Saturday often Sundays and mid week as well. Those weeks are vital for swim prep etc. I think anglers who fish those matches are happy with the close season. I do believe though that it was originally brought in so fly anglers got 12 weeks of Bankside free from other anglers.

[@richardwatson5388]

That was the River Yare not Hare lol.

[@ChrisJackson-tv2rj]

Fab stuff gents. Thanks. Love fishing the rivers. But too many clubs restrict membership And then don’t allow day tickets. I think that is the biggest reason the numbers of people fishing them is so low. I think clubs should be made to allow day ticket access to 10-20% of their waters. Keep up the good work guys. 🐳👍

[@robhumphreys6146]

A chat about the winter league final location might be worth a go Format location etc

[@DaveHarrell-cu3zk]

I have been saying for years that clubs and water owners should be allowed to control THEIR river stretches. The current 1876 law is ridiculous and not fit for purpose. It was lifted in 1995 on stillwaters and in 2000 on canals. Has anything gone wrong in those 30 and 25 years? No! Great show guys, keep up the good work!

[@colinhardy3730]

I remember fishing nun monkton on the river nidd beginning of june when we had the stolen fortnight in yorkshire had a great day catching chub and barbel .the week after you couldn't get a bite

[@steveraynor2946]

Some very interesting points about the closed season raised there. While I agree with much, of what you guys said. I think there are a couple of other points that need to be taken into account. Like you have said, it's not been changed for years, we all recognize the seasons have drifted through the calendar months, whereby Spring seems to be later now, than it did twenty years ago. With regard to closing the river banks, I know the theory behind the regeneration of the bankside, but it's also a time, when a great many of our bird species, are breeding and raising young. Lets be honest, there are very few anglers that enjoy seeing and observing wildlife. They are all under great pressure to thrive, and I would hate to be part of the problem. Like you have said, there is a solution, but with Captain Calamity at the helm, I'm not going to be holding my breath.

[@stuarttaylor2488]

Are fly anglers not disturbing the wildlife From March to June? Nothing against fly anglers i do a bit myself. No anglers on the bank also makes it a lot easier for poachers as there is no closed season for them and it's rife these days

[@steveraynor2946]

@ Absolutely agree Stuart, don't think there is an easy answer to any of it.

[@mg10056]

Fireside chat that is a positive force for anglers and angling. The controversial topic of the closed season on rivers is not as straightforward as some might think. Unpredictable weather patterns are an obvious factor, and have been more prevalent over the last 25 -30 years, which also happens to be close to the rise in commercial fisheries and 'all year fishing' being allowed on canals and many stillwaters. On many rivers, particularly The River Severn, there are many clubs and associations controlling fishing rights on opposing banks. To allow clubs to control the closed season would cause conflict, where anglers could be permitted on one bank, but not the other. Tackle shops have historically had to contend with three months of low sales and no bait sales. The last 25 + years has given tackle shops year round revenue, through commercial venues, but canals don't really see high activity levels from March to September, that's due people's angling habits and preferences. One point, you mentioned DH only fishing rivers. He used to fish The Birmingham Parks (championships / festival). Birmingham City Council only allow year round fishing at four of the parks. The remaining 15 or so, park pools still operate the conventional closed season.

[@Paul-Abbey]

Love these they are great, was in Westfield lakes in Barton in the close season Mick ?

[@davidtaylor9492]

Great show again guys, but I'm finding increasingly difficult to look at that red mug for an hour each time 😂😂😂😂

[@NuFish]

You and me both!

[@melvynroe116]

Rotherham Raiders Mick fished against them many a time 😊

[@seandowns4298]

Always fished all through winter. 13 weeks into 21 week winter league at the moment.

[@jamesmorris2382]

Hello Mick , how about Nufish producing tapered lines for distance fishing ? ie line with a built in shock leaders. Quite common in the sea fishing world these days.

[@MikeyDunn]

Never used a leader myself, just use heavier line if the weight of the feeder needs it. Most places I used to fish a 50m cast would be on the opposite bank anyway. The close season, I think the EA needs to reassess spawning periods in the current climate conditions and decide if dates need changing at the least. I don't, or at least haven't, been much of a river angler, but I have enjoyed trotting a stick from time to time on the Hull at Tickton, usually unsuccessfully.

[@FISHINGMINTY]

The fishery rules debate has come up a few times on the guru podcasts and every time I think that a few public faces that work in the fishing trade need to form a committee with the owners of the big commercial fisheries around the country and get together to discuss / debate / argue but ultimately come up with a set of standard commercial fishery rules. The rules can be published on a website and any fisheries that decide to go with those rules can just put a standard sign up saying the rules comply with UK standard commercial fishery rules with the website / QR code on. I know that they'd need to be listed out separately or print leaflets with them on / put them in the angling times etc for those that don't have access to internet or for venues with poor coverage but at least that standard would become known across the various venues and even those fisheries that aren't involved in the committee can adopt the rules to simplify their rules too. Once established if the rules need to change then the committee could meet up once a year / every two years or remotely just to vote / agree on changing the rules.

[@WoolavyLeeWilliams]

Unpoliced rules, like fishery only pellets/bait quantities especially in matches/festivals, are rarely policed despite it being known this is the case with some. Don't want to upset the apple cart I would suggest. Venue rules that have different rules to pleasure rules can be confusing, especially to newcomers to the matches, even more so when often a lot of match rules are not written (rules can be "can and cannot do"...) and are taken for granted and deemed 'everyone knows'.

[@Haulit66]

Love the chat lots of good information very interesting but I look at the screen and all i see is a load of bullocks lol 😂

[@shaunelliott2967]

Just watched micks video on feeder fishing on the aire and Calder canal is there any chance you could put location details ie what three words would be handy for access points on the canal please

[@geoffreyselby9327]

What are your views on flouro carbon for hooklengths Enjoying the podcasts 👍

[@lesmoody6975]

Got one for you hook length 2.in to 1 m. is it that important top Angeles like Lee Kerry 6, in on the feeder and move the feeder up to compensate method feeder some use 2. in ??🙈 your opinion 😮

[@stevebush8914]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@unionjakjakson]

The river closed season & the ban on Wasp Grub, are both anachronistic silly laws. I can sit facing west on the island above the weir on the River Don at Sprotboro & fish legally in May. Yet turn 180 degrees on my box and face east & i am braking the close season laws, both without leaving my box! As for the Wasp Grub ban...in the late 70's, i used to work as a Saturday Maggot boy in Jack Grice's Fishing Tackle shop in Rotherham. We used to sell carrier bags full of Wasp Grub to the match lads. They were brought into the shop by local pest controllers during the Summer months & were available to anyone with zero hassle of collecting them. Sometimes i bought a bag full, but more often than not, i collected my own nests, it was far more fun!

[@NuFish]

Wow , Jack Grice’s in Rotherham , I won a voucher in my first ever match for Jacks, fond memories, met John Swales for the first time in there. Later became George Hampstead’s, thanks for evoking those memories , Mick

[@unionjakjakson]

@@NuFish I fished for Rotherham in the Angling Times Winter League, Eastern Division. I was only 16 yrs old so Mainly for the " B " team back then. Rotherham in those times had a top angling team, before Barnsley became dominant. I remember big John Swales, he first showed me the loop rig for fishing The Trent. Still use it to this day! Other greats i remember were Ernie Wild, Dave Parkes, Martyn Hartley, Stuart & Russell Foster, Geoff Newby, Harry Parkin, Paul Bacon, Mick Peverley etc etc. I packed in fishing when i was 18 and never came back for 40yrs. Started again 5 yrs ago and loving it once more...though bit of catching up to do! We spoke at Langold Mick back in October.( I am the Maltby lad who started fishing with John Bromilow ). See you on the river bank in 2025. Andy

[@audenGudgin]

Close season is not just about you and the fish, there is loads of wildlife needs it, including birds like kingfishers, and besides , when I was younger 16th June was the best day of the year

[@markwhibley9787]

The next few years should be very interesting regarding winter venues, with the growth of AI there will be huge need for more data centres that need to be cooked by water. If someone is smart enough we could end up with heated lakes that fish like summer all year round

[@johndickie3633]

On rules. If all fisheries had the same rules, it would save a lot of confusion for every angler. Also, if the rules were the same in each fishery, the anglers on the bank would be able to police them also.

[@topfour9160]

My great grandfather told my farther that the close season was introduced in 1878 by land owners. Due to at the time, working class poor would pinch vegetables and young lambs to feed the family on. In them days thousands would descend from city's to fish rivers... It was farmers loss!!!!!!

[@richardwatson5388]

I wonder why traditionally we use long hook lengths for feeder fishing. 50 cm for international rules and a lot of us just used an arms length to the middle of your chest. The method proves that 4 inches, sometimes 3, catches lots of fish. So why do most of us still use 18” to 30” occasionally longer or shorter but not so often, on the normal feeder?

[@FISHINGMINTY]

Personally I think it depends on where the fish are - If the fish are on the bottom and come across your hookbait there then it doesn't matter how short the hooklength is (as long as they can pick it up without feeling the weight of the feeder and as long as it's not so short that it doesn't tangle up with the feeder itself as it hits the surface or sinks to the bottom). Quite often though I think fish up in the water follow the feeder / hookbait down in the water and will take the hookbait on the drop - This is more likely to happen with a longer hooklength as the longer the hooklength the slower the hookbait will fall because it's not so close to the feeder that it gets dragged down by it. A bit like a waggler rig or pole rig - the line below the lowest weight will descend based on the weight of the hookbait so if you have an olivette or big weight above the hooklength it will get to the bottom quicker. This is based on my own theories of physics though so could be wide of the mark! :)

[@melvynroe116]

One of our young new member doubled everyone's weight on a club match only to be disqualified because he used wafters 😊

[@FISHINGMINTY]

That murmuration looks like something out of Stranger Things!

[@NuFish]

I said exactly that

[@Swizz12]

The close season is not jusat to help the fish. It's also a time for the bankside to recover.........and a period when a fishery owner can get stuff done, like netting or bankside maintenance. I'd even suggest that ALL coarse fishing should halt for 12 weeks - but that would mean businesses would suffer.

[@optimadev1371]

One other point is, farmers will want more money for the extra 3 months fishing

[@stephencrossfield1520]

with the net limits normally around 50lb ish how come the next step is to make nets shorter ie 2m with some these days, Surely by that rule a 3m net you should be able to put 75lbs in ??

[@deltrotter9435]

The close season is a good idea its not just about fishing its about other sports as well like my wild fowling where anglers have a negative affect on the ducks and geese pushing them off there nesting areas i know i will get you dont know what your on about but i would beg to differ

[@NuFish]

Great input, wildfowling is completely off our radar for some reason, We have to ask - so why is there no close season on canals and lakes, has this affected wild fowling ?

[@deltrotter9435]

@@NuFish canels and most lakes are man made not natural. and most wild fowling is done on natural waters unless its a comercial duck shoot and there are several bird speices like snipe and wood cock that like the flood plains and the waters edge but are very selective as to where they nest. i do appologise i am dyslexic and i am sorry if it dont make sense but i hope you get the gist of what i am saying and i am fishing mad so i am not bias on this subject

[@rhinosroach]

Close Season its out dated for Rivers if pond and canals were included there would be uproar. As Joe said it should be left up to clubs and land owners to control the close season, My club has a good length of private river where we could close off sections that are fished more due to easy access at different times for spawning and leave other areas that are not fished due to very long walks open. On our river we have a site SSSI due to a certain flower we don't cut the pegs right back and the grass flood bank is left alone till after the flowering season to minimise any disturbance. Dog walkers can use River banks all the time and some dogs can upset the bird life and bank dwelling creatures during their breeding season more than most fishermen. We also due Bank clearance after the Floods have gone in Spring to help the bank side vegetation and animals and get rid of rubbish caused by the floods. Time to abolish this out dated law

[@colinmuddimer1269]

I am a river angler. I will fish a lake, but I'd rather catch a fish from a river because lakes can be termed "Rabbit from a hat" fishing. I don't actuslly view it like that but....

[@Brendan-s7y]

Waste of time trying to get labour the labour party to lift the close season. There the ban it gang

[@steveharper1702]

Regarding the close season fiasco, its the totally not fit for purpose EA that are the problem. I suspect its one single high up person in the organisation that has decided that it wont change.

[@Charlie_Miyagi_Dickinson]

The close season was brought in as a conservation measure,. Back then , we British ate coarse fish and the closed season was introduced to prevent the hungry, starving people at the time from taking fish to eat that were full of eggs.. The law should be repealed and fish management left to the angling clubs or whoever hold the fishhing rights as occurs on other waters

[@KevinBrougham-hx8qd]

What about clubs having large stretches of Rivers and canals 🤷‍♂️ It needs to change , a Rod licence which gets dearer every year says you can fish 🎣 all rivers and canals not the case !!!!!!

[@leejohnson221]

Where I can I use a braid shocker to both braid or mono. Smoother and all the force goes into the cast as there is no stretch. Why use 0.10 braid reel line to a mono shocker that can have a lower breaking strain? Using mono shocker to braid means the different materials leave the spool at slightly different speeds and can cause a frap up. Look how many crack offs get posted for a laugh at Southfield.

[@leejohnson221]

The set dates are now outdated due to global warming. The seasons have changed and so should the dates. While anglers are forced to be away from the rivers predators go unchecked, including poachers & less reporting/response to unscrupulous water companies discharging & polluting.

[@connorscoarsefishingjourne7680]

Get into match rules, banning things and weights. Are they getting ridiculous with 7-9 nets

[@duncanclarke8497]

Do we remain a hobby ? Or should we become a professional sport ? We already have it at an international level ? At domestic fishing we definitely aren't professional. Would this improve the sport in people's eyes ? And possibly investment from outside the sport , tv ect . China seem to have made this work in a huge way . A sport with no set rules cannot be considered a professional sport; the very definition of a sport typically requires a set of established rules to ensure fair competition and a clear way to determine a winner, which is essential to be a professional . Professional sports are regulated by governing bodies that set and enforce the rules, ensuring consistency across competitions. As far a most matches go , it's started by the organiser who then doesn't return to the end of the match , or is even fishing themselves . Can you imagine if the ref blew his whistle at the start of a footy match and said " ill see you in 45 mins " 😂

[@philthorpe7671]

Too many rules puts me in mind of life today rules for the sake of rules.

[@optimadev1371]

Last point, there is no common sense’. Angling is full of cheats and unpleasant people, Europe is way better with pole & bait limits,

[@shitehawk1969]

The close season is doing much more damage than anglers will ever do ..cormorants do not like people FACT no people equals happy cormorants so for 3 months happy days fish sholed up no people around welcome to the dinner party not only that any pollution that would be spotted by anglers will go undetected so get eaten or die because of a stupid rule thats so out of date its a joke Stop it now.

[@stuarttaylor2488]

The climate has changed for a while know the trent is flooded out most of the winter . Chub were seen spawning at stoke bardolph think it was late june early july i know this for a fact my mate is one of the baliffs and sent me the video . The closed season has become a big contradiction Better for the trade if the rivers stay open . Just leave it to each individual club to decide if and when they want to close a water .

[@ianmackie7362]

Instead of calling it the mixing bowl. How about back with a brew lol cheers keep this up both of you