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[@0hellow797]

It seems these new printers offer amazing print quality at the cost of everything lmao

[@SmallBatchFactory]

If you're not paying with money immediately you're usually paying with something else later

[@DanWalshTV]

​@@SmallBatchFactory Your choice of words is odd given the context: It's about a physical device that you have to pay immediately to receive, lol. In what way or form are you not paying immediately for a Bambu Lab printer? Not refuting your statement or anything, generally speaking, it's true, it just doesn't AT ALL apply to the given scenario.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

It does. Just like Sony and Microsoft lose money on every gaming console sold and make that up with their subscriptions and sold games this is entirely plausible here. Also, nobody knows what happens to 3D models being routed over their cloud. Just like Microsoft and Google read the emails of your free account they could make money with the models of their users. Somebody in Reddit reported how his friend ordered PCBs from Chinese manufacturers which he later found on Temu, the design blatantly copied.

[@yarghhargh9345]

@DanWalshTV you are a bug person

[@sageslarres]

​@@DanWalshTVhp sells printers at a loss to make up for it with paper and ink. This is not a new or novel way of doing things

[@meikgeik]

It's also worth noting that last year it was discovered that Bambu printers were uploading ALL gcode sent to the printer from the user to Bambu servers even if the "send logs to bambu" option was unchecked. If the printer was on a network, it would send everything you print to Chinese servers. Combine that with the fun law the China has that requires any Chinese company to comply with the PRC and give them access to all data they have... Fun times. I've been warning about stuff like this for a while now but people just called me a conspiracy theorist. There's nothing inherently wrong with products from China, but closed source stuff from China should be treated as not safe. Most of my printers still require SD cards, but I'm in the process of converting them to Klipper. I'm so done with anything closed source.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Like I said, not being paranoid doesn't mean you're not being spied on ;-) A healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing. It's also not a crazy irrational tinfoil hat theory. DJI drones can report the location of the owner (Bambu was founded by DJI employees) for example. It's not hard to imagine them following in the footsteps of apple, locking you into a walled garden and subscriptions. This might never happen but I'm not willing to take any chances.

[@oneanother1]

Seriously this should be more talked about, in videos, all over social media. You just can't trust closed firmware and closed ecosystem, and now they want to charge you for collecting all your data too.

[@NWGR]

This is misinformation and has already been debunked; on top of that, bambu's cloud servers are only in china for chinese users. For the rest of the world they use amazon's AWS in the US; this was all confirmed by the CEO in a CNC kitchen interview. You were called a conspiracy theorist because that's exactly what your post is: a misinformed, xenophobic, cHInA bAd rant, which is the same thing going on right now by the vocal minority.

[@NWGR]

@@oneanother1 Again, misinformation. If you mean the farming software they're working on, it's optional, so in no way required, and it's still free right now.

[@DaveTheMotoGamer]

@@SmallBatchFactoryin the D-3 printer world this has happened with MakerBot they did what Bambu is doing now. Guess what MakerBot went bankrupt in 2016 and stoped being a company back in 2021 or 2022. I have an A1 mini and I so far have only used bambu stuff. so as of right now it’s not a big deal for me but in a year or 2 from now it probably will become a big deal.

[@shinigamiauthor]

Even if they "go back" and never do it again, I know I will never purchase anything from this company. Good job Bambu Labs

[@sierra659]

You’re too broke to afford one anyways

[@officer_baitlyn]

@@sierra659 these printers are 199

[@cyanohibiki0616]

As someone coming from China, here are my two cents. It is pretty common for Chinese tech companies to do this type of shady stuff with the software and they usually think they are pretty good at gaslighting people into believing their narrative, due to their experiences in the Chinese domestic market. When they go into the western market, they tend to rely on their old practices, which most of the time would not work as well. By the way, part of the reason why their stuff is cheaper than the competition, is that they are subsidized by the Chinese government as an effort to "boost Chinese technology advancements". It is well known in China. They've taken the sweet CCP money, so maybe one more reason to be paranoid :)

[@oneanother1]

BambuCCP

[@yeroca]

What's the evidence for this claim of taking CCP money? I'm not saying it's not true, but I'd like to see it for myself.

[@vermin9190]

@@yeroca youll never see the proof, youll have to look at the laws and actions that are being taken by the gov for the companies. i wouldnt doubt that the CCP is subsidizing companies as they have a history of doing it

[@mrartistimo1530]

@@vermin9190 That's the thing though, they want to know where to find that evidence. Do you have anything specific that we can look for to verify it?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Exactly! First you destroy the competition by selling cheaper than anyone else can, then you're the only one left. Happened to the solar industry for example. Yet people call critics paranoid and what not.

[@dosdont]

I'll never buy another Bambu Lab printer and their double speak wont' change that

[@juanv8186]

Whether you buy or not is just your problem, no one else cares. The world does not revolve around you.

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

​@@juanv8186they aren't the only one. Lots of people are cancelling their orders, choosing not to buy them again. Some print farms are choosing not to purchase bambu labs printers. It was such a big issue bambu labs had to update their website and write a blog post. You know they've got a PR issue if they have to issue another statement.

[@markkocsicska2590]

Me neither. I was in the market for one. The only way I am getting one if the firmware goes completely open source. Even if they backtrack on the current update, there is no guarantee they will not try again or just sneak it in over a long period of time. Either it is open, or I'll continue to put up with less reliable machines that respect the terms of the sale.

[@dosdont]

@@juanv8186 Grow up genius

[@dosdont]

@@markkocsicska2590 Other companies are catching up. There's always the pricey Prusa's but the Creality K2 Plus doesn't seem bad at all. I've never seen such a ridiculous unforced error by a tech company in a long time as Bambu just showed. You're right though, even if they backtrack, trust is now lost. A lot of people predicted this, and it was incredibly tone deaf of bambu to not anticipate the reaction. So yeah, trust has been lost, no new Bambu's for me unless they do a full reversal and focus their model on strictly selling printers rather than control.

[@notsurt]

I can change filament on layer fine with my P1S. Just need to have multiple filaments setup first for the option to appear.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Good to know! They could've made that a big cleared by including a message instead of hiding the option

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

When was the subscription business model ever done for the user's benefit? I think we need to resist Bambu's attempt to seize control of machines we paid for. LAN only and no more firmware updates for me!

[@yellowajah]

I could see this coming from miles back. A company doesn't just spit in the face of FOSS and the maker mentality from no where. This is just them _starting_ to show their true colors.

[@FlakAttack0]

I didn't even consider Bambu when buying my first printer because their actions screamed this was their end goal. It's unfortunate not everyone shares my skepticism but at least now we're having that conversation.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

People are quick to stamp you as a tinfoil hat. Even now they're downplaying what's the reasoning behind their changes is

[@FilamentStories]

I’m concerned about the direction things are going. I’m hopeful the community response might, maybe cause them to rethink their plans. Realistically though, those of us engaged heavily in the 3D Printing community are only a percentage of their overall business so our collective voice may be rather small.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

That's the thing. The people I know using Bambu machines are happy to use the app and don't worry about third party software.

[@oneanother1]

Oh they definitely noticed all the post, comments, and orders cancelled. Its going to be very had for them to go toward with their plans of subscription service and locking out 3rd parties, they've lost the goodwill and trust of the consumers. No one will buy their 3d printers anymore, because their terms of service can change at any moment, and for you to use their cloud service. All in the name of security. They may as well go out of business if they can't sell anymore 3d printers, and will have to force a subscription service for existing users. Its do or die at this point.

[@yeroca]

@ People who want it just as an appliance will not even notice this controversy, I suspect.

[@marty4286]

@FilamentStories You have a bigger voice than you think! Bambu did make the machine that was more like an appliance than the 3d printers that came before it, but it is prolific creators like you that led to all those people to be pointed towards the Bambus and inspired them to have the confidence that they could use the printers in the first place

[@SmallBatchFactory]

That's true. Every time someone raised some criticism about Bambu there are people up in arms about it. On one hand every content creator is accused of being a paid shill and if you're a critic you get backlash as well

[@rickseiden1]

I don't want to send my gcode to the cloud just to have it sent back to my printer 10 feet away. That doesn't make sense to me. And to limit what features I have available to me because I refuse to send my gcode to the cloud doesn't make sense. I've been planning on buying a P1S for a while and would have bought one during their black Friday sale if other things hadn't come up that needed that money. I'm glad I didn't right now. Maybe things will change for the better, but I don't like the way things are going.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You're right. In Germany we have a saying "resist the beginnings" and this is most probably just the beginning.

[@asteroidrules]

Maybe I'm the only one here, but frankly I find cloud services in a personal 3D printer inherently a bad idea. Even without sending your data to central servers in countries run by terrorist groups, it's creating a potential security hole in your own network for pretty insignificant benefit. I keep my printers airgapped.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You're definitely not the only one

[@pavelperina7629]

It has some advantages, you can monitor printer from the phone without setting anything on router (if router even allows it) and also it's integrated with MakeWorld to verify print profiles and i'm not sure if it's possible to collect points based on prints rather than downloads. But I see the disadvantages. So far I don't see motivation to close their ecosystem. They can make filament calibrations progressively more inconvenient, they can even disallow using filaments without RFID (or after expiration date) in the worst case, but I don't know if limiting functionality by firmware updates is even legal.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

The question is always who's going to stop them

[@Sugar3Glider]

Reminds me of the dude who bought an exoskeleton and the battery in the remote broke..…

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Never heard of that one

[@Sugar3Glider]

@SmallBatchFactory it's pretty crazy. Look it up. *_An out-of-warranty battery almost left this paralyzed man’s exoskeleton useless_* *_Ditching a $100K medical device for a small wiring issue doesn’t make sense to us, but its manufacturer would prefer to replace the whole thing._*

[@SmallBatchFactory]

@Sugar3Glider damn that's ridiculous. Medical equipment is crazy expensive and also totally locked down at the same time

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

I have a policy of not paying for devices I don't get to configure myself. If I can't change the servers it connects to you did not transfer ownership, so don't expect a payment.

[@MartinKuras]

I discovered, how you can bring back the color change option in Orca Slicer v2.2.0: Just save the printer template without any changes as custom user preset and select it for printing. The 'change filament" option - greyed out before - is accessible now. (at least with my P1S) This didn't work with Bambu Studio v1.10.1.50, though.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Do you have an AMU? A friend told me he has that option, but he also uses an AMU. The screenshot I showed was actually with a totally different printer, no Bambu machine

[@MartinKuras]

@@SmallBatchFactory Yes, i have an AMS. But the filament selection within the sliced object it's greyed out and can't be selected unless you do as i posted. I was somewhat flabbergasted after discovering you were actually right, in saying that this option doesn't work anymore, i would have bet against it.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Yes and AFAIK if you don't have an AMU you don't even get that option. At least I didn't manage to make it visible at all

[@MartinKuras]

@@SmallBatchFactory I'm unclear about what an AMU is. As far as i know there is the AMS or the AMS lite for the A-Series. Google doesn't know AMU either. Oder ist das eine eingedeutsche Bezeichnung?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Sorry, I meant AMS of course

[@zonegaming3498]

Bambu taking notes from HP, we can not let things like this go unchallenged.

[@rallylout]

Mine is now isolated from the internet. We shall see how it goes 🤷‍♂️

[@Absolute-Unit]

Uninstall their slicer as well. Wouldn't put it past them to talk to your printer and brick it via their slicer. They can't be trusted

[@rallylout]

@ 😆 I use orcaslicer so no fear of that 👍

[@teresashinkansen9402]

Jailbreak. I actually want to get one to take advantage of all the hardware, I will install my own control board so its fully under my control.

[@RGInquisitor]

I will probably end up selling my X1C with AMS and all the accessories and plates I have for it. I'm waiting on more in-depth reviews for the Prusa Core One with their MMU3 integration before I finalize my decision though. Doesn't hurt that you can buy it as a kit and assemble it yourself and its cheaper that way (I love building my own devices). I am NOT getting a Creality K2. Even though I have 0 issues with my Ender 3 V3, The new version of Creality Print 6 has crashed quite a few times on me and I've seen more than enough people complaining about the K2 and how buggy it is still.

[@tonyoslund5700]

don't need an ams to set color. just add additional filaments and the color change option will show up in Orca (Even for my T1Pro... do it all the time). Works same in bambu slicer. It is how I do my hue forge prints ons the T1Pro.

[@florihae]

I might a bit of a Prusa Fanboy, but this definitely made me very very happy that I kept my Mk3s+. At the moment, I am eyeing with the Prusa Core 😍

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I'm torn between the Core One and the XL. The enclosure for the XL is a bit underwhelming but there are third party options

[@florihae]

@SmallBatchFactory oh yeah, the XL is amazing. A good friend has it, with the multiple heads 😍 Print quality is insanely good! A bit too expensive and too big for my needs, but I would call it the best Prusa machine, including the Core.

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

I dislike this and i don't even own a bambu labs printer. They built a great product for a great price, waited until they had a good market share and then took a dump on their customers.

[@Madchefred]

I am late to the game with 3d printers, only got my first printer 3 months ago, an Elegoo Neptune 3 Pro but it feels exactly like the phone situation: you have to pick an ecosystem and deal with that ecosystem, especially as I have had dramas using vanilla slicing software compared to the provided version (this could also be a skill issue).

[@glenncol]

I hope someone comes up with another firmware for the Bambu Labs

[@MeltingVenus]

3:38 The color change never left you need to drag the slider to the layer you want to effect and right click the plus icon a menu will pop up for color change,pause print and custom Gcode. I don’t remember if that was always the case but that is how it works known.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Other have pointed out you need to add a second filament in the left bar before that option is visible. Would be a bit more intuitive if the option was always there and showed a message if no second filament is present.

[@MeltingVenus]

@ Yea, that is true and is bad Ui design. I have been just pausing at the layer , changing filament color, and resuming print. When the printer nozzle heats back up, it will pull the filament and purge some out. I do not know how that works when changing a specific color like from black to white.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Haven't tested it on Bambu. Prusa just asks "is the right color extruded?" and if not it extruedes some more

[@gruvinnz]

**EDIT**: It works fine with a "proper" mouse. [Cmd]-Click with a magic mouse or trackpad is where the problem arises. On the trackpad, if I force push tow-fingers, the pause etc menu will popup but it moves the slider as well. Broken UI. [was: Seems if I right-click enough time in just the right place, the "Add pause (etc)" pop--up will appear. I'm on a Mac. If you are too, it could be a Mac update issue interfering with the way the mouse clicks are processed. Either way, the option IS still there. It's just hard to get to until they fix the UI. ]

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Others pointed out the issue is that I need to set up multiple filaments for the option to pop up. It wasn't about the PAUSE option, it was about the "change filament" option

[@dekurvajo]

A 3D printer just like any other CNC tools by its nature does not require Internet connection by default. It is more safe without it. Especiaally when your files/workpieces contains or they are entirely considered your intellectual property. By default any tools like these should operate without limitation, without purposely increased complexity. There is no direct benefit using a cloud service with a stationary device, such as a workshop for example. Having that feature as an option is fine, but being default and limiting the use if you choose otherwise is in fact an unethical behavior. At the very end this brings the question, Who and why benefits from a default cloud based mode?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I think it's heading in the direction of monthly subscriptions. Many people love that the cloud service "just works". Not a good reason to lock out others of course

[@sicknasty3370]

Once again i have started to loathe 3d printing once bambu did this bait & switch nonsense. For context, i am a shopmen ironworker, i want to use my 3d printer as a tool to create squares, gauges, fitting/welding aids, and on the fly solutions for repairs (looking at you air arc plastic that always falls off) I feel as if bambu labs x1c is the only printer on the market that is the closest thing to a tool vs a (very powerful and borderline industrial) hobbiest machine, specifically because of how easy and straight forward everything is on the bambu compared to every printer currently on the market. Even the closed ecosystem on the bambu i felt like it never tried to treat me like a moron and hold features hostage for money. I could sit here for hours and hours and type about how much i love the x1c but bambu had to screw it all up with this bait and switch and forcing everyone onto the cloud. Looks like it's time for the x1 plus jailbreak and praying that the prusa core xy is going to finally be the printer to beat the x1c.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Apart from the speed difference Prusa printers have been very reliable so far. Hopefully the Core One will close the speed gap as well.

[@urgamecshk]

To be fair, the flow and vibration tests are optional at the start of each print... That's on you You can do multi color with no ams. Just add pause at layer.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

The thing is I only selected bed leveling, that's why I found the calibrations confusing. It seems it's always flinging filament though. It's not dramatic, just a minor inconvenience

[@stevedegeorge726]

Another thing people forget is trade wars and the political climate. Will there be a time when internet access is restricted to only certain countries because of tarrifs and such? As for me if it needs a cloud to work its a pass. Been burned already.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Luckily there's still the LAN mode, albeit with artificially reduces functionality

[@oscardiggs246]

I'm actually more concerned about what they are doing inside my network. I'm becoming security paranoid and I'd like to get control of what's going on. If they are really going to allow developer access as their response to the concerns suggests, I will go that direction. Otherwise I'm just going with open hardware

[@raphaelwelti6632]

Hits the nail on the head!

[@Splarkszter]

We NEED a $300 PRUSA

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Sadly there's a reason why only Chinese machines are that cheap

[@Splarkszter]

@@SmallBatchFactory My likit would be in $600 for an enclosed. I can't afford anything above that at all. Actually, I think the government wouldn't allow me to import anything higer than $500 or I'd had to pay taxes to them too.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

It's hard to beat that number except for maybe a kit. A smaller Voron might work for that amount. Paid 850€ for the largest one, the smaller ones are cheaper. But you have to build it yourself

[@yeroca]

I wonder if there is an opportunity for people to "jail break" their bamboo printers with open source firmware. I don't know how secure their controller board is to installation of custom firmware.

[@kylequinn1963]

The only currently existing open source firmware requires official bambu firmware to be installed through Bambu's official servers. It's absurd.

[@yeroca]

@@kylequinn1963 Maybe they are just trying to block tinkerers from Bambu printers. They only want people who will use it like an appliance, order filament from them, etc.

[@BSOE3058]

I say the most straightforward way of jailbreaking bambuu would be swapping motherboard... yeah, kinda dumb, but X1C modded like dat would be so sweet

[@yeroca]

@@BSOE3058 I like that idea! It wouldn't be that expensive, but could take awhile to get everything working correctly.

[@myNamezMe]

Sucks when you need to log in to the cloud at least once to get the firmware which supports sd-card update.

[@yosefbegic8851]

Can someone break this down for me, what functionality is lost? I have just ordered, not yet received my PS1. Most of the feedback online up until a few weeks back was positive and now it’s all doom and gloom. Do I send it back unopened?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Usage of third party software will only work over their Bambu connect software with the new update. They caved in a bit and want to add a "developer mode" which should still allow third party software in LAN only mode. If you're planing on using their cloud service and don't care about third party software like Orca Slicer nothing is lost so far. Many suspect a monthly subscription coming to the cloud service in the future but there are no official statements about that.

[@yosefbegic8851]

@ thank you!

[@furrom152]

80% is the video had nothing to do with the title. The remarks in the end are valid, though, and I absolutely agree!

[@MajorSkillIssues]

Although I’m also afraid of an ecosystem I’ve read trough the update log and it seems it’s just a security update. I’m also a cybersecurity enthusiast and I can tell you this update is needed anyone with minimal hacking experience can use your printer to get into your home network and all devices on it. Also I don’t think the people at Bambu are stupid enough to ruin their company by getting on the wrong side of the community

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I'd love to hear how that should work. You can't just access the printer without authorization using an API key. I also don't see how being connected to a cloud service is fine whole uploading from a third party Slicer is not.

[@cooperised]

Too late for that, they already have. Whether or not the security concerns were valid, there were *much* more user-friendly ways to address them than this. A massive misstep followed by corporate gaslighting is not a good look.

[@MajorSkillIssues]

@ you can use use nmap to scan the target network and use either a bruteforce attack or just use nmap again to get the password and after you are in you can just connect to the printer because altough it has an api authorization to gain acces to the printer it can be easily bypassed with other tools that come with kali linux and if you gained acces to the the printer you can acces the connected devices using the wlan that was set up and once you gain acces to the devices you can drop all sorts of packeges such as keyloggers ransomwere and many more with the cloud share feature and if you dont have a strong wifi password and the newest security protocols this can easily happen to you if someone is trying to hack you. i havent tested this on my own printer but i somethimes try to hack into my home networks to test for vulnerabilities and pach them and this could be one of the entry points according to my scans, if you are intrested you can check the forums the bambu printers arent mentioned but other similar devices such as roombas are

[@MajorSkillIssues]

@ yeah but i hope this backlash will make them listen to user feedback and addres these security concers in another way cause currently its not looking too good

[@MajorSkillIssues]

@@SmallBatchFactory you can use nmap to scan vulnerabilities in a network and according t my scan the printer is one of them the api can be easily bypassed using tools provided by kali linux or by other methods you can litteraly look up on youtube and if they gain acces to your printer they can use the cloud sharing to drop maliciosus packages like keyloggers on the devices that you set up to be connected in wlan. I really hope that bambu will listen to us and find another way to adress this security issue because its one of the best printers i own and dont want some corporate bullshit to ruin my printing expirience

[@0hellow797]

Love the vid, agree with your takes greatly 😢

[@kel5944]

I didn’t like the idea of the z offset being hidden at first, but I’ve never ran my nozzle into my bambu’s bed

[@SmallBatchFactory]

The calibration usually works pretty good. But when it doesn't you need to apply hacks. My friends first layer doesn't look good. Should've shown a picture of it

[@kel5944]

@ adding gcode isn’t a hack. It protects the machine from people who don’t understand what they are doing. This thing is easy-mode after learning on an ender 3. If the control was right there in the interface, there would be problems because of the low experience required to use Bambu compared to previous generations of printers.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Your only option to adjust Z-Offset is to change it in the GCODE and start a new print until you've arrived at the right value. It's the Apple way of doing things: as long as everything is fine it just works. As soon as something needs intervention you need to jump hoops to get it working.

[@kel5944]

@@SmallBatchFactory that’s perfect for the iPhone of 3D printers.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

If you're the user, not so much if you have to do tech support for those users. Bambu's own support is pretty much non existant anyway

[@Krom1hell]

Kinda felt the same when I've changed from Windows 98 to everything newer :))..... Then I've got older and didn't give a damn if it work well from the factory....... Oh yeah, X1E on LAN was the only choise :D.....

[@noway8233]

Well , its insane for a printer needs to conect to the cloud to work.Thats a bad sign , ghats a way they can Control yuo , closed System , and the worst , Security nitghmare . Never trust in Companies like that

[@jcmo5900]

I'll take my heavily modified Creality CR-10 or my also heavily modified chinese clone i3 over the complications that were described here. These "closed ecosystem" printers remind me of Apple, and I despise Apple. They treat a person like they are so dumb, they can't solve their own problems through research and learning with the help of online communities. I have built my own computers ever since I was old enough to afford parts, and the IBM-compatible x86 PC architecture enabled hobbyists like me, and small repair shops to thrive. Apple actively stifles this. In similar fashion, Bambu won't let tinkerers and the like have access to absolute control, for those who have the ability to understand and use it.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

An empowered consumer is the biggest enemy of profit

[@robertparis5680]

i mean, worst case switch to micro sd mode?

[@Pappagar]

My next printer will be Prusa once my P1S dies 😬

[@teodorsocea9290]

I only clicked on this video because I used to own the same shirt

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Nice!

[@Paul-rv2sv]

Gonna use this opportunity to hope for people to sell their bambu printers then jailbreak it later. Someone in probably already working on it.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

The machines itself are really nice so a jailbreak would be nice. Use the ones already bought and make up your mind if you want to support the company in the future

[@zeemon9623]

I think the VW thing has more potential downsides than losing some money. It's possible for a stalker to use the data on their target's past movement to predict where they might be going to be in the future.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Oh definitely, I just didn't want to elaborate all the details. Luckily it's only data of events in the past

[@yoda6915]

Next, they will keep you from printing nerf guns and cosplay weapons, just do to shape ect. There is a company right now triing to get 3d printer software and companies to incorperate there software into say marlin so if your printer is connect to the internet and you print say a gun or parts of a gun, the police will be called and sent to your house. This is where this stuff is heading in babystep. I just preordered 2 printers, A1 mini with ams and X1c with ams. If this "beta" software comes on my printers, there going back as returns.

[@Chris-oj7ro]

7:38 put this in your intro before every video to prove your point.

[@Der_Ed]

Darum Lan Only. Und dann gleich in Home Assistant integrieren - über HA dann Kamera und Zustand checken, dann braucht man die Bambuswolke gar nicht ;)

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Soweit ich gelesen habe nur noch bis zum nächsten Update. Wobei sie da ja wieder zurück rudern wollen. Hab mich bisher noch nicht bequem HA einzurichten

[@XA--pb9ni]

Weil die ja Lan Only auch nicht einfach deaktivieren können wenn sie lust drauf haben :) 🎉

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Solange man kein Update macht. Allerdings behalten sie sich vor den Drucker zum Update zu zwingen, sofern der ins Netz kommt

[@atomic...]

I feel so stupid buying a A1, if only I had foreseen what bambu lab was gonna do I wouldn't held out longer and gone prusa or creality. Even if theyvdo revert this thyve made sure I'll never buy anything from then again. Also The A1 does the earthquake sim too, I think its a calibration step for the good print quality, i believe its for vibration reduction when printing. And yes the head bed limitation is most certainly artificial since the A1 will go to 100 degrees c and maybe a bit higher than that

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I've always suspected something like this but I wouldn't blame anyone for their printer choice. Yes, the vibration is most probably for the input shaping (that's the feature mitigating artifacts when printing fast).

[@atomic...]

May not have noticed the input shaping helping bit I'm sure it does. I unfortunately didn't see this coming, at least it seems like using the SD card slot for printing hadn't been messed with so loading files old school seems to be untouched, not that it really matters. I practically never use my A1 connected to internet

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Hopefully the LAN only mode will still work in the future

[@atomic...]

Hopefully, fingers are crossed

[@notsonominal]

Thats it for today and I hope Bambu learned something ... there fixed it for you.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

It was meant to be a Louis Rossman reference :-)

[@hedleypepper1838]

Bambu will be just fine Theyre target audiance has always been the i-crowd that dont care about ooen source or closed source as long as it works without having to think about it. Print farms imm guessing will fall into thus category so bambu future is secure. But not n my house and bambu dont care about me so thats fine. They have had the absolute support and almost free marketing from the KZbin creators to get where they are now and to be honest dont need you anymore

[@SmallBatchFactory]

That's probably their reasoning, yes. It's a good thing there are open and reliable alternatives on the market.

[@kemonoyama2084]

Everyone hates Tyrants....economic or political. Thanks for the video! Bamboo is boycotted in my book. Creality....cheap but Open.

[@CAMx007]

Isn’t Creality still based in China?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

It's not about China, it's about the hardware being open

[@mikelaurie3850]

How do you know that no one talks about it?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Show me somebody talking about fire hazards with cloud connected printers

[@mikelaurie3850]

Does not answer the question. You made a claim, and I asked how you know the claim is true

[@mrpixeldot]

I need help! I was literally 4mins away from pulling the trigger on a A1 until I saw Louis vid about Bambu‘s new update. So now I’m ofc rethinking buying that printer now, but I don’t have found any other alternative to the A1. My criteria is: Budget 350€ (if there are massive advantages to one printer, the budget can be stretched to 500€ max) 1. Quality, high print quality above all. 2.Reliability. 3.Speed. (4.)Would like the printer to be able to print engineering materials I am enough skilled and interested in 3d printing to also buy DIY kits, but my criteria still applies.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

It's pretty hard to meet that price point with any reliable machine. Even Voron kits go above that sadly. Maybe someone else has a suggestion

[@mrpixeldot]

The only voron inside my budget is the 0.2 if I recall correctly, and that printer is not what I’m looking for, that build space is too small for me.

[@somebody3524]

Maybe the sovol sv06 ace? I don't own one but have seen some good reviews. It is pretty cheap, open source and appearantly runs klipper.

[@kirasmith1147]

Just go bambu. This will all blow over, and even if it doesn't, it doesn't really affect the usability of these machines as a tool. They won't lock stuff down or put a subscription, it's nonsense

[@SmallBatchFactory]

One can hope. Let's see how it turns out in a year from now

[@BenderTheOffender]

Bye bye, Bamboo.

[@charliebridgman9144]

Prusa FTW

[@SanguineVoyeur]

I got an A1 Mini... The day before the announcement :D For the machine itself, what you say matches my own short experience. A solid machine with many strange details on top. Why did they make it just fling the purge material like that? Insane design decision

[@SmallBatchFactory]

To be fair it makes for a very clean color change with the AMS. And I guess it's for the flow calibration since otherwise the back pressure from printing to the plate distorts the readings. On the larger machines they have a bowl where it lands

[@nuttButterAMK]

you beautiful german man

[@bobbleboydk]

So shady

[@Дми́трийВикторович-о3с]

If you guys are as responsible with your money as say steam users y'all gona have to eat a little chinese richard on that one.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You mean like buying a printer and then never using it?

[@Дми́трийВикторович-о3с]

@SmallBatchFactory Heard about that but no. I mean complaining without being able to quit paying. Steam CoD boycott case and stuff like that. They couldn't even stop playing the game they declared boycott on. And I'm pretty sure they've bought subsequent games. Which is kida indicative to the fact that if the product is good enough people wii tolerate any infringement of their rights.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I'm sure a lot of people didn't care to begin with so they're probably not losing many customers despite the outrage. Same as with CoD. It's good to raise awareness, the rest is up to the individual. As I said in the video it's also totally fine if you still buy Bambu, just be aware of what that could mean in the future.

[@gruvinnz]

OrcaSlicer issue # 6763: "RESOLVED: Unable to add PAUSE in Preview screen slider." UPDATE: Issue resolved. I reset my Process profile to the standard and this resolved my issue. I am not sure what setting I had changed in my custom Process profile that caused the PAUSE to be voided, but just glad that I am still able to use this function. Pleases remove this bug ticket. TY

[@ZappyOh]

Bampoo Crap

[@oneanother1]

BambuCCP

[@warmesuppe]

Bambulabs was always suspicious too me. Glad I never bought one

[@anubizz3]

Why? Because it's Chinese company? You don't have problem when Apple, hp, Tesla doing it...

[@miauzure3960]

well said! +1

[@MAcDaTHo]

You fell for it... Wasn't it clear from the beginning? No? Really?! Be honest? Then why did so many real makers and DIYers decide against Bambu Labs? Exactly!

[@SmallBatchFactory]

There's only one reason "I fell for it" and that is I need first hand experience of what a lot of people are using to make good educational content. It's not like I needed another printer for any other reason.

[@7robertb]

yep - und irgend wann einmal müssen die cloud services bezalht werden weil der unterhalt der infrastruktur doch so teuer ist.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Auf der einen Seite kann ichs verstehen, aber dafür braucht man keine Änderungen an der Firmware. Nur, wenn man mit aller Macht die Leute zur Cloud zwingen will.

[@reyalPRON]

is no1 talking about it? sure? reddit is on FIRE ;)

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Never seen anybody mention a potential fire hazard from cloud hacking

[@reyalPRON]

@@SmallBatchFactory are you for real? i thought this was humor! well this changes things.. so ... with this train of thought all devices everywhere that is online have the same potential. which in theory can be done, but theory and practice is split, yes? Your pc can be made to generate so much power it overheats. But does this happen? U cant be real with this fear.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You can't just let a PC catch fire by hacking it... A printer already has everything needed to start a fire, which has happened in the past but due to manufacturers disabling safety features to cut corners. Somebody malicious could disable the safety features of cloud connected devices as well. This might never happen but I'm not willing to take any chances.

[@reyalPRON]

@@SmallBatchFactory sigh... good luck in your rabbit hole sir.

[@gruvinnz]

The pause at layer is a bug. They "fixed" a previous issue in v10.0.1 - Resolved an issue where the pause printing feature occasionally failed to work.(#5253 ,#5275). Evidently they inadvertently removed the feature altogether as part of that "fix". I am confident it will be restored sooner than later.

[@kd8icq]

lol. The firmware has already been bypassed. So video aged like fine milk?

[@alexeyf1795]

Bypassed != issue is resolved. Also care to provide a link?

[@TheShorterboy]

everyone knew this shit was happening but what are the options without competition if you just want things to work

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Prusa machines are reliable and open. They're more expensive though

[@TheShorterboy]

@@SmallBatchFactory Prusa is also a lot slower we have both and our P1S is really fast and odorless when we print with ABS, BBL really changed 3d printing but everyone else is still standing still and trying to sell bed slingers or open frame core xy things, maybe BBL are subsidized by the Chinese gov or something but everyone else needs to get their act together or BBL who are a really huge conglomerate will own the industry

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Can't argue with that, the Bambu machines are really impressively fast with great print quality. I'm curious how the Prusa Core One will perform.

[@juhajuntunen7866]

Buy new car and be happy couple of months. It update its software. You must upload your route to China before driving. Buy gas only from Shell. Drive left lane only. Only registeted passangers....

[@SmallBatchFactory]

We've seen subscriptions for heated seats yet people act like healthy scepticism is crazy talk

[@riba2233]

​@@SmallBatchFactory those however dumb might be, were just optional and you could just buy the upgrade.

[@anubizz3]

But if uploaded to Germany and USA server it's OK right?

[@chrislambe400]

Remember when Sony installed root kits on PCs?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Pepperidge farm remembers!

[@JamesWyseDotNet]

Others are working on mobile apps that work with LAN only mode (which I’m assuming will still work in the new “developer mode”). This one is iOS only for now though. kzbin.info/www/bejne/govTdYSEbt-ai6ssi=GyPFmMVdr_1-f2Y_

[@SmallBatchFactory]

At least it's still possible (for now)

[@riba2233]

Using 3rd party software was never in tos or an advertised feature, so in that regards nothing has changed. You will still be able to use orca regardless. They can't limit what filament you use even if they wanted to, no need to spread fud.

[@oneanother1]

Still worried about their cloud services, and their subscription model, what data they collect, who has access to them, and what they are used for. Some would call it spying, others call it security.

[@kylequinn1963]

Meanwhile, in the code of the X1C firmware there's a code block that's deactivated that will allow them to disable any filament aside from RFID'd bambu filament. I don't get why people who don't know what they're talking about feel the need to weigh in and spread false information on behalf of Bambu.

[@riba2233]

@@kylequinn1963 this is false. They can do that even if they wanted to.

[@riba2233]

@@oneanother1 what subscription model?

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Why do their spools have RFID chips and the AMS as well? It's not a far stretch to imagine it being used to lock the used filament. Injket printer manufacturers have been doing that for years. Plus the RFID chips used aren't the ones consumers can easily buy, I wonder why

[@vladimirjar3800]

The title of your video could not be more wrong.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Who else talked about potential fire hazards?

[@NWGR]

You can disable the dynamic flow calibration; you'll still get a poop at the start of each print, but it will be less. Yes, the vibrations at the start of each printer is basically input shaper running. If your friend was having first layer issues, it was likely a setting, filament, dirty build plate or user issue. Especially if the printer had previously been printing just fine. The color changing option is indeed there, it's just called change filament. You slice your print, bring the layer to where you want to change the color, right click and at the bottom is "change filament". And you can pick from one of the numbered filament presets you have loaded on the left. The rest of your video is pointless speculation and fear mongering. Please stick to the facts. Bambu is not locking you to their software, if you want to use third party slicers like orca you just have to use the bambu connect app instead of being able to send to the printer directly from orca. Check their blog post's most recent update, it has a video showing the process. It seems pretty seamless to me. A lot of your complaints stem from bambu being closed source. This is how they've been from the beginning. Why buy into their ecosystem expecting more? You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

His prints worked but weren't close enough to the bed to look good. Nothing to do with dirt. You've seen the screenshot from right clicking. Without AMS there is no option to change the filament. Making people aware of potential consequences isn't fear mongering. There are enough real examoles of stuff like this happening. There's only one reason I bought a Bambu machine, it's because so many people use them and I can't educate without first hand experience.

[@NWGR]

@@SmallBatchFactory Have him check for nozzle clogs, restore the current profile to default settings, etc. I literally just did it on one of my A1s without an AMS lite attached; you just have to set up the filaments you want to use on the left first; the numbered filaments. There has to be more than one. No; "potential" anything is pointless and the second you jump into "potential consequences" you've already left the facts behind. This benefits no one. Past real world examples do not indicate that those same events will occur again.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

@NWGR how does resetting the profile change the Z-Offset? It works now, by adjusting the offset manually. That's good to know. Not really intuitive, they could've left the button and and add a message with instructions. So you're saying we shouldn't warn people of fire hazards because it may or may not happen? We can never know for sure so why should we be aware and mitigate risks...

[@NWGR]

@@SmallBatchFactory Bambu did already make a blog post back in 2022 (I think) about what's open and what isn't. Personally, I'd rather not play the guessing game about the future. So warnings? Sure. Just with facts and not speculation.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You don't need to be open to get hacked though. Bambu also demonstrated that they just edit their blog posts and act like everyone is making things up: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWewqpV6f8ugo7ssi=GDgrl9L4tld83ccn

[@gruvinnz]

A print bed that heats beyond 80C is completely useless for an open frame printer without an enclosure. It's also more dangerous for kids.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Then why does the larger A1 go to 100?

[@802Garage]

Definitely not useless. You can print many materials on an open printer if you aren't in a particularly cool or drafty environment, especially smaller prints, but it can be very difficult without higher bed temp.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Definitely. I've been printing ABS on my open frame CR-10. Not the greatest experience but it worked

[@gruvinnz]

@@SmallBatchFactory Hell if I know. Because that made it that way because they can. I still think it's pointless and silly. Maybe they think people will build enclosures? Maybe they think kids will more likely be using the mini? You could ask them, no?

[@gruvinnz]

@@802Garage Yeah, and you can make tost in a microwave using metal foils shaped just right. The A1 mini does not support ABS/ASA etc out of the box at all, far as I recall. (N profiles to select.)

[@waralo191]

Return it!

[@SmallBatchFactory]

To late...

[@cchladny]

So wait, are you saying that 3D printers being taken over remotely and burned down is a danger, and yet Bambu addressing security concerns is an issue? And I still enjoy that everybody complains about the fact that you can't use cloud services in LAN Only Mode. The whole point of LAN Only Mode is that it is LAN-Only. Not LAN-sometimes... :/ It just seems like we're complaining about a lot of what-if's and trying to tell Bambu that they're not secure enough and yet also telling them not to do anything to address security.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

What they're doing has nothing to do with security. You don't need to lock out other software for security. You already need to authorize with the printer before anyone can access it. But in case someone manages to break into Bambu's cloud they immediately have access to ALL registered printers. The thing about LAN only is you can't use things like the app for abritary reasons, not because it needs cloud access to work

[@cchladny]

@@SmallBatchFactory while only time will tell, it's definitely something I think you're wrong on, and for the record I hope you don't own an iPhone will making outrage videos about companies doing things in the name of security... While they could have been much, much more elegant about it, Bambu isn't "locking out" other software, they're just changing the method of accessing their printers. It happens and is all part of any company's growing pains. There's a very, very short list of companies with a solid product that are still using all the same methods from their v1.0 release. It would be arrogant and ignorant for them to think they nailed it from that initial release and never need to re-think how their product worked. Speculation sounds terrible and gets lots of clicks, but when it comes down to it, we'll all just have to wait and see what exactly comes from all this.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

I don't own an iPhone exactly for those reasons. Apple also doesn't do most stuff for security reasons. Or do you think Apple preventing third party repair shops from getting spare parts is a benefit for security?

[@cchladny]

@@SmallBatchFactory trust me, I'm definitely not an Apple guy. It's just that 90% of the population seems to be perfectly fine with having their equipment locked down in the name of "it just works". I think the Bambu thing, regardless of final outcome, will fall into that same category. And, at the very least, we'll just see yet another video on the 3 month cycle of " is the new printer you must switch to!" and it'll all just be forgotten..

[@mfarlow]

@@cchladny Except that 3rd party software devs are the ones stating BBL is locking them out. BBL says they are working with 3rd party vendors, but the vendors are telling a different story. I don't expect Orca or Panda to be working with a BBL printer in the future, but who knows. I honestly don't care if BBL locks out 3rd party vendors, it's their eco system and they can do whatever they want. The issue I have is them lying about it and trying to gaslight thier customers. They could have simply come out and stated they don't want 3rd party software running thier printers because they have no control over it. They could have spun that as a positive for the customer, instead they lied and claimed this was about end user security, then proceed to implement a proxy app that makes your printer more vulnerable. That app has already been hacked, and it is clear who ever created that app knows nothing about security. I agree companies change things all the time, but lying about why you are doing so is never a smart business move. They lied to their customers, they doubled down on that lie and blamed the folks raising the alarm, and then they try to gaslight the consumer into thinking everyone else is lying to them. When their TOS contradicts their blog post statements, that's telling. That's how they have decided to run their business, and many people have decided they are not ok with that and will be making thier feelings know via their wallet.

[@DESamDE]

Ja man hört den deutschen Akzent und das fremdschamt schon

[@mjxx]

1. Der Akzent stört null 2. Lern lieber selbst mal ordentliche deutsche Grammatik bevor du dich über jemanden lustig machen möchtest

[@gruvinnz]

You are wrong about the firmware update. You are ALL wrong. Firstly, it's only a Beta update for people who want to help improve what's coming. Secondly, even BETTER control over your printer is coming, if you turn the setting on (future BETA release). That all you people are so quick to jump to evil conclusions when in fact the whole point is protecting your network from hackers installing bots on your printer is DISGRACEFUL. As for the "insists" this and that, just change the startup script. YOU HAVE FULL CONTROL. Drives me nuts.

[@MartinKuras]

Indeed, nuts you are.

[@802Garage]

Thank you for regurgitating Bambu Lab's blog post. Only a beta: Means it will be standard when it comes out of beta. Meaningless. Better control over printer: Better according the the company. Takes choice away from users. The whole point is protecting: Okay, while taking away choice and forcing connection. You have full control: Not of how the printer operates. That's the whole problem. Plus, why are they doing this before the launch of the new printer? The concerns are valid.

[@cidercreekranch]

@gruvinnz You sound like a representative for Bambu Lab. Are you?

[@dbeelee8564]

Ok nuts. I have full control of my printer. Since I have full control, this also means I have full control of it's security. Meaning, I don't need Bambu Labs protecting it. Unless, I don't have the control. Hmmm, let's see, I create a file with a modeling app, slice it with another app, copy it to usb, plug it into the printer and print. All of this takes place completely offline. Where is the threat of hackers ? How can they hack an offline system ? No sense in me purchasing any product requiring online access. Zero. Meaning Bambu Labs is now ZERO to me. My filament is purchased in person and has no ID on any spools.

[@kylequinn1963]

Actually, you're wrong. It was NEVER "just a beta" the original release date for the firmware was the 23rd of Jan. Bambu promptly stealth edited the blog post and removed this part so they could say "it's just a beta calm down" and people like you fall for it.

[@sierra659]

That option is not missing in orcaslicer…. Do your homework

[@SmallBatchFactory]

Turns out you need to add a second filament on the left, until then there is no option to change it in the menu. That's just bad software design.

[@Joe-sn6ir]

just another "influencer" that is talking shit.

[@SmallBatchFactory]

You people are really funny. Everybody is both a paid shill and talking shit. Schrodingers influencer