The Co-Optional Podcast Ep. 233 ft. ManyATrueNerd

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Genna, Dodger and Jesse sit down with ManyATrueNerd for this episode of the Co-Optional Podcast. Enjoy!
Original air date: November 13th, 2018
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[@Juhz0r]

00:00:57 Welcome 00:03:46 BlizzCon 2018 1/2 00:12:22 Detective Pikachu trailer 00:20:35 RIP Stan Lee 00:25:29 Microsoft acquisitions 00:31:56 Rainbow Six Siege censorship 00:34:40 BlizzCon 2018 2/2 (Diablo Immortal) 00:48:54 StarCraft 00:56:36 Squarespace ad 00:58:28 Welcome back 01:00:18 Fallout 76 01:37:05 Hitman 2 01:46:00 The Quiet Man 01:56:15 Releases 01:59:48 Shoutouts

[@sidsu_]

Thank you, good sir.

[@hanni1631]

Some hero's don't where capes

[@LastSider]

You are doing god's work!

[@giantpunda2911]

Thank you so much for your hard work. It's much appreciated :)

[@giantpunda2911]

@@Blitzkrieg1605 They're taking the Bethesda approach - leaning on their community to cover for their insufficiency. It's just a thing now. TB (or TB's editor) made sure that there were always timestamps in the description. Current crew just don't regardless of feedback.

[@Ratich]

Does anyone else come back sometimes and just cry? Too soon John Bain, you left us too soon.

[@sinswhisper9588]

too many times ... i come back to these and the TGS ones like every year -- he truly is still missed and was taken too soon (i even watch the terraria with jesse and the lounge episodes at least once a year) you are not alone!!

[@xxacidmv]

Re-upload is due to a copyright claim by Warner.

[@Kaimax61]

which part was that previously?

[@VonFalcon47]

@@Kaimax61 since it's Warner, it was obviously the pokemon trailer...

[@TetraSky]

@@Kaimax61 The Detective Pikachu trailer. Even though it's totally fair use since they were commenting on it.

[@ctg4818]

This shit is why KZbin is dead

[@neroxen_]

@@ctg4818 More like, this is why advertising is dead.

[@joevanhy5171]

December is approaching and I remember about me, in the past few years, waiting for the TB arbitrary game awards like a kid who waited for Santa. I miss that dude so much. So proud of you keeping the podacast light and somehow british. Love you a lot. P.S. Genna you're awesome.

[@cipherenigma]

20:00 "Are you a fallout fan?" Genna talked about Jon at the beginning of the podcast. come on Dodger keep up

[@RaidsEpicly]

lmao, like "Ah not really, I just invented a couple new runs in fallout new vegas and was the FIRST to beat new vegas and fallout 3 on a single health bar!"

[@FullMonterey]

You mean 28:55

[@Texshy]

Genna carrying on TB's movement for graphics settings :P

[@TheTaiylorWallace]

I could literally hear TB in my head yelling 'YOU CALL THAT A BLOODY FOV SLIDER?!'

[@yomanyo327]

@@TheTaiylorWallace *sloider!

[@bjornbjornson4]

ManyATrueNerd is so underrated! He makes such high quality content

[@Hendlton]

He also makes all his videos 40+ minutes long. It took me a while to get into his videos, because I just don't have the attention span. But when he's playing a game I love, his videos are amazing. An hour and a half CK 2 video goes by so quickly I can't wait for the next one.

[@Zeon081]

nah, he's not that good. he has quality, but he is not that good. and I say it as someone who watched him before he got popular

[@bjornbjornson4]

Александр Потоцкий “he has quality” “He’s not that good” Lol ok

[@tyron256]

Its funny, i just found his channel like two weeks ago and ive been binge watching his fallout runs. Kill everything has been comedic gold.

[@Zeon081]

@@bjornbjornson4 you know that quality can be not only good, right?

[@austinsmith4343]

When Genna gets comfortable and just speaks her mind, it is so engaging and easy to listen to. The Fallout 76 discussion is a great example of this, and she kills it! I think as time goes by Genna is going to be so natural in her hosting capability, and I'm looking forward to it. 1st hour was a bit cringey (my opinion)

[@Ricepudding42]

Austin smith yeah it feels very forced at times, makes me cringe a bit... think she butts in too often and feels forced to speak all the time. Also don’t think it helps that she doesn’t fit. Dodger and Jesse have a great connection, but gen feelsout of the group... my opinion mind you,just I know personally I’d prefer Jesse and dodger co host the show

[@kabobawsome]

@@Ricepudding42 I'd agree. And I wouldn't even want Genna out of the show, just kinda, not hosting, cause I think the hosting puts pressure on her to force herself to talk a lot, when she really doesn't have to.

[@me2olive]

Give it some time, guys. IMHO it took years before TB was a good host, loosened up a little and decided to drop the bit where he'd put down Jesse's opinions. Genna is doing great, esp. when you consider how few times she's done this herself.

[@Ricepudding42]

@@me2olive Sadly i think that's also part of the problem, the show has a built up name for itself. too fill the shoes of it might be an impossible task. A good example is two and a half men, with charlies sheen being kicked off and replaced the show was never the same again and many people stopped watching it because the chemistry was never the same. I'm not saying she isn't doing good for what she say, of course she is. but when i watch it something just feels off... lot of it feels forced rather than natural, and sure in time this could become better and the cogs could start turning, but personally i've all but stopped watching to the show, ive come back a few times but everytime it feels very forced. But this is my personal opinon and of course to others like yourself i might be very wrong, and that is fine. thats great that people like it. i mostly just want to voice my opinion, not to say she is bad and should stop doing it, but to point out things like she doesn't need to always butt into what jesse and dodger are saying. Or if she can temp give the reins too the other two till she gets her bearings and becomes more natural at it. More food for thought

[@Dr_Andracca]

@@Ricepudding42 The problem is when people naysay *that* is what creators tend to take to heart. Be careful what you say on the internet, especially when you're communicating in a way that takes a lot of context out of it(emotion and subtlety is very hard to convey over text). I personally think GB is killing it. I miss TB, but I think I actually prefer what Genna has done with the show. She'll only get better as she gets used to it, so until then try not to be negative about things she cannot immediately change. You have to understand, she had this thrust upon her suddenly, she didn't get to naturally grow like TB and like 99% of other content creators did.

[@MikeIsNexciting]

If Crendor's a Dogder, and Dodger is a Crendor. Then Dodger's still Dodger.

[@ssgtgames2380]

Transitive property of equality!

[@iglidor]

Dodgerception

[@MikeL-cb4wc]

But is Crendor still a Crendor...?

[@VladTheRad]

I've realized we've come to a point in the game industry where saying something like "this game feels like it's made before 2010" is actually a compliment... :/

[@Thermalions]

Was expecting an egg carton. Buy a webcam Jon.

[@talltroll7092]

He probably did, years ago. Give him another 3 or 4 years, and he'll have actually got it working...

[@Citre_The_Neko]

buried deep in the channel is an an actual blog video where we see the jon in his natural habitat without egg carton garb pretty average bloke by all regards

[@stuartbh8165]

@@Citre_The_Neko ouch

[@SonOfMuta]

​​@@Citre_The_NekoWhich is why he doesn't do facecam. Don't believe his lies that he finds facecams distracting to the video

[@lovecraftfan8839]

Genna's hair looks real cute this episode.

[@turgsh01]

Meh... too much hair.

[@turgsh01]

@@jakey1995abc She's got cancer... what do you think?

[@Grimgolde]

Agree with Genna about 76. The guest was strangely positive about it, which falls in line with the other Fallout influencers who went to the special event. Also disappointed they didn't bring up the 'no refunds' policy Bethesda has in place for PC.

[@kabobawsome]

He just genuinely enjoyed Fallout 4 a lot. Fallout 76 is just the same thing again with a bigger map and some weird bugs, so why wouldn't he like it?

[@Grimgolde]

Interesting. Going to be honest, that info just makes me more suspicious

[@kabobawsome]

@@Grimgolde You're suspicious cause someone liked a game you didn't?

[@kabobawsome]

@@Grimgolde Also, he was invited to all these events not even because of his opinion of Fallout 4, but because of his Fallout 3 and NV content, really. He made some very popular 3 and NV challenge runs and is fairly well known among the Fallout community.

[@Grimgolde]

Yes, I am. Somebody that relies on people being as hyped up as possible about a game for the health of their channel is naturally going to be a little more forgiving of something bad in the interest of keeping afloat. The event invitation certainly doesn't help with the optics though,.

[@BadgerOff32]

I've watched MATN for years, and it dawned on me during the opening credits of this video that I'd never actually seen what Jon looks like.... I still do not know what Jon looks like lol

[@donutismz6760]

Go to the very first video on his channel. He did a sorta channel trailer and its just him in front of the camera talking

[@Etherealizer]

Major problem with the idea of Bethesda having lots of money but evidently not spending any to help the studio working on Fallout 76 is that the more money they spend the less money they make from microtransactions. The game is designed with minimal resources and doesn't even have NPCs in it. It's designed to try and make a profit with the least amount of money spent.

[@tzuyd]

It's one thing for companies to give the copout excuse of something along the lines of 'it's filled with REAL LIFE player characters!', but to then release a shell of a game with dialogue options between people anything less than what Divinity does really makes it seem like they were just bullshitting all along.

[@rkrokberg]

Haven't watched co-optional regularly for well over a year now, but I've got to say that Genna, you're an excellent host! Looking forward to future episodes.

[@Jasonwolf1495]

Interaction with those stories is what matter. If I want to just read a story I'll read a book. Putting a written story in the game and not letting me interact with it makes it not matter much.

[@asiamatron]

Yeah, with Fallout I think some people want to experience the things that happened to people in the holotapes. Finding out about it afterwards is a bit of an anti-climax.

[@thedarkness125]

You are interacting with it. Strangely enough in exactly the way that was promised in all of the promotional material I can find.

[@gottendolphin28]

I find it hilarious how he said "ppl can do anything and deal with the consequences, you can shoot this guys and they're gonna hate u, or shoot those guys and their gonna hate u, or shoot the guys in the back and their gonna hate" yeah no shit... problem is the only apparent "choice" from what he's saying is either do what the game wants you to do or your other choice is kill them all and lose access to their quest-lines. That's not exactly the type of "choice" one expects to see in rpg's lol

[@jorgge2244]

thank you, i was thinking the same, the dude is a moron, he sounds like he is so far up bethesda's ass that he cant say anything negative about the games, he has no clue why fallout 3 and NV are looked back on so fondly

[@oldfridge5059]

MonstaBox he literally thinks new vegas is the best game of all time, he’s just way less critical of games in general because he grew up with the Calico Vision lol.

[@Moshthun]

55:13 I don't think Husky would receive the warm welcome that most starcraft youtubers should get. I'm still really bummed about him deleting his videos. Edit: I am thankful for MATN's different opinion on F76, while I may not agree with it. What he said about after the first 2 hours in F4, however, is true. In fact, the funny thing is that you can actually change stuff around, you can join "the badguys" being The Institute, you can join the BOS which are basically mecha nazis at this point, and you can choose whom you side with and some choices lock others out, like the BOS locks out the RR, the Institute locks ALL OTHER factions out, stuff like that makes for different choices. The problem in this is, however, that these choices have very little effect, for the endings don't really change much. There are two major problems, which essentially boil down to one problem, and that is laziness on Bethesda's part. There aren't as many unique quests as there should be, the radiant quest system should be there to SUPPORT the quests that were already there. Having to liberate outpost after outpost for the Minutemen before getting actual quests is extremely boring and just busywork, and that makes for the feeling that the game lacks substance, which it does. There should have been AT LEAST DOUBLE the amount of UNIQUE quests for it to feel somewhat alright, and at least two more main towns, with an appropriate amount of content in them, and the game would have felt WAY better, already. Also, the dialogue design was just horrible for roleplay, so far to the point that the alternative start mod was alluring simply because you can get to stop pretending you're a father that is urgently looking for his lost son, while spending weeks on building a homestead. To build on the homestead, the amount of build it yourself towns was too high, and the quests were boring. Having a couple less locations, more unique settlers with unique quests, now that would have been amazing. Add a auto-build plan option for the towns (as sim settlements does) and suddenly, that would make it amazingly fun, and actually feel like the minutemen are protecting the settlers so that they can rebuild.

[@BaronVonHardcharger]

A big YES to Jesse playing "The Quiet Man"! All I could think of when I first heard about it was how funny it was going to be to hear the voices people come up with in all that silence. LOL

[@antonioperez5971]

I feel jenna has been improving as a host and it sad the numbers dont reflect it

[@iglidor]

I actually agree. I stoped watching podcasts exactly because of that. The quality was going downhill, topics discussed were often uninteresting and there was tendency to beat dead horses long past expriation date instead of just cutting conversation at certain point and move to different topic. But then I watched last 3 podcasts to check if there is any interesting info about all the recent dramas in gaming industry and the quality got much better. It will take time but if they will keep improving or at least maintaining good quality, people will over time return.

[@ouou456]

I think the numbers will improve in time. i stopped watching for the first few months, but wanted to resume when genna and crew had gotten their bearings again. now that genna's kinda settled into the role of host, I'm back 100%.

[@PoisonP3ach]

I agree with a lot of what MATN says about 76, even though I have no pull to play it. That being said, he seems to be doing with this, what others do with Dark Souls, by saying "The story is amazing!". Story is what is currently happening. Current events. What he is talking about, with the audio logs leading you to the next, is technically not story. It's lore. Lore is something that has already happened. Dark Souls has amazing Lore, but the story of the series is "keep pushing through and find out what has already happened." Because all of the amazing vistas and places you find are the aftermath of something much more cool than what you are doing. The same can be said of 76, and while I love that style of narrative, to say that Fallout 76 has great story is just objectively wrong, and to rely on the narrative of lore in a multiplayer game is a bad move, as lore is made to be soaked up, something which you want to do alone. Story can be played cooperatively, but lore is less effective here.

[@asiamatron]

Well said and yeah lore is different from plot or story. The problem with lots of lore is I often feel like all the interesting stuff happened before I came along. The game is telling me about all this cool stuff that I won't be able to experience in the game.

[@SuperSanity1]

That's actually absolutely fair. Definitely something to chew on. Thanks!

[@Battleschnodder]

Genna, you're a great host and what I enjoy most is your dynamic with the other co-hosts in regards to what you value in video games. You all have very different things you focus on when playing a game, so your discussions are all extremely diverse and thus informative.

[@jayisvexed]

Genna is getting much better at hosting! Keep it up

[@android19willpwn]

Agreed. It's nice to see.

[@cory6266]

My two favorite youtubers in the same podcast. It's like an early Christmas present.

[@Carighan]

I think the rise of MOBAs hurting RTSes has partially to do with the fact that for many of us - especially as we grew older - the hectic overloading chaos of fast-paced RTSes like SC2 was always too much. But, we didn't really have an alternative. And hectic and chaotic as MOBAs can be, the ones less time-intense to play per round like HotS enable a similar "feel" of control without overburdening the user - it's just a single unit + keeping tabs on 5-9 other units. Much easier to process, similar endorphine spike when you win.

[@Jamal_Tyrone]

You don't get a degree in clay, you get a degree in Ceramics, which is the process or processes of moulding various types of purified mud into sculptures or more boringly plates, bowls and cups. You need to also learn the firing temperatures of various clay bodies - and the glazes that go on them - as they vary from stoneware to earthenware to porcelain. Johnny Vegas (British comedian) and I both have 3rds in Ceramics because we're both so clever. :D

[@PuNiShEdSiciliangamer]

Manyatruenerd is an amazing guest. Hitman bit was hilarious. More of this guy!

[@justinkroboth360]

MATN MATN MATN MATN! Love Jon so much.

[@ayuratna4486]

We will remember you Totalbiscuit

[@usmn._.m]

They should’ve just had a picture of an egg carton for jon

[@DrewSunn]

( 00:32:00 for context) To be fair Genna, the loot packs in Siege are by far the fairest of all loot boxes. In my opinion, all loot boxes should be based on Siege's system because it's that fair. If you want to know more: Every game you win you visibly see a spinner go around that has a percentage in the centre. If it lands on the white bar then you get a loot pack. Every game you play (win or lose) your percentage to win raises. You can also see every single thing it is possible to win AND buy the things you want to win instead of trusting lady luck. Now although you can buy the things individually with real money, there is NO WAY to buy loot packs with real money, it is only in-game currency AND everything is 100% cosmetic. I'm not mad, I'm not trying to rant or anything, I just figured that you should know that Siege is in no way a terrible with their loot box/loot pack system.

[@Mepholar]

The clayman father had a tear in his eye. His child was a born for play-doh

[@CloakedC]

[@blakearius]

1:16:37 - Genna's face "The darkest fallout game" BAHAHAHA ah respect lost MATN, respect gained Genna.

[@AschenDog]

The best part about other Pokemon fans getting upset over charizard, is that it wasn't furry in the movie in the first place. They saw a single, motion-blurred shot and just started screeching.

[@LegateSprinkles]

I'm sorry but if your idea that Fallout 4 has "freedom" because of letting you just murder a faction outright is very basic and yes it is VERY limiting. Yes there is the freedom to murder right on the spot, but wheres the depth to that? Its murder or take on boring tasks. That isn't depth at all. Also I DID shoot Shaun in the face right as the door opened. The game broke, I was stuck in the room, couldn't leave, retried it, game still broke. The game literally held me, saying "nope you have to play our story". Another example is that when you have the battle where all the factions are battling each other for the runaway synths underground, I pandered to all the factions and accepted the battle through Shaun. Got to the location, shot the courser in the face who didn't aggro after several shotgun blasts, everyone was friendly to me, I was able to go and just walk around the entire battle, sitting down for a bit and able to just club everyone in the vicinity on all sides without any aggro, murdered the runaway synths, reported to Shaun and I COULDN'T say I MURDERED THEM! I even reloaded that segment and it played out the same. Unless my game fucking broke to all hell I have to say you are just so so wrong on saying Fallout 4 had any sort of "depth". Unless you count "depth" as shooting someone in the face or not. I'm glad you can enjoy the game and everyone has their own views, but oh man...I don't think I can take the positives seriously when you think Fallout 4's faction interactions had depth.

[@machonacho95]

Sounds like something was/is broken with your game. I was able to kill Shaun as soon as I saw him and escape and I didn't encounter the problem you had at Bunker Hill. Maybe it was something that was fixed in patches released after you played?

[@LegateSprinkles]

@@machonacho95 I've considered that and have thought about returning to the game patched and modded up. But I will still say that it feels absolutely disingenuous to say that people who found Fallout 4 to lack depth didn't reach far enough into the game. Especially if your first examples are "well you can just murder a faction outright, thats choice and consequences with depth". No thats simply "Murder or not to murder".

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Except you cant, over half the named NPCs are "essential"

[@tzuyd]

Apparently they have *dozens* of cameos recorded with him, so at the rate they're releasing movies we probably won't start missing him for about... 4 months...

[@TheMrVengeance]

1:15:30 - But Jon, that's not story. That's lore. Lore and environmental storytelling are great to add life to your world, but it's not a main story thread. And it's made even worse by the exact thing you point out (and this is beautifully shown in your C.A.T.S. co-op with Nerd3); if this is supposed to be a multiplayer experience, who's going to sit at a terminal for 10 minutes to read through some rando's email inbox, while your friend is waiting, getting bored and smacking things on the head with a stick. If Skyrim didn't have the whole Dovakhin/civil war main questline(s), you wouldn't say the game had "a story" because you can read a million in-game books. It would be a completely open sandbox with tons of random quests and adventures, and a rich history/lore you could find out about, but there's no main story. You wouldn't say a play in a theatre had a story, if all of it was solely in the programme. Whether that's a good thing or not is a different question. Do you need a main quest/story line in a game, or is it enough to have a rich world with random stuff to do to explore? What most responses so far have shown for Fallout in particular is that.. yes, for many of the series fans, it IS necessary to have a main plot. Also, to respond to your point soon after. Just because people disliked and "memed" the subpar story in Fallout 4, doesn't mean they don't want ANY story! It means exactly the opposite, they want GOOD story. That's either Bethesda admitting they're no longer capable of writing a decent story, and just not even trying. Or they're massively out of touch with their audience.

[@AlexusDelphi]

I hope the Microsoft/Obsidian thing is like the SEGA/Atlus thing. "Cool, you do what you do; we'll be over here writing the checks."

[@SuperExodian]

another gripe i have with fallout 4 is that you get power armor almost immediately. and never need to leave it. i never at any point felt in any danger. (and my first playthrogh was on highest difficulty settings) granted, the first deathclaw fight was fairly hard, considering you didn't have a lot of guns yet. fallout 3 i felt in danger fairly often.

[@Pienimusta]

"Big Starcraft youtubers have gone silent" Shed few tears

[@omegadirective]

I love that Jesse had a "P-L-E-A-S! 'PLEASE'!" level of goofiness with "GOYT", or "Game of Year, The".

[@FARBerserker]

It is good to see Genna taking up Johns Criticism of lacking Options and optimization.

[@Goatcha_M]

The problem with Bethesda Games is that they have the same bugs in every game, bugs that modders fix inside a month, sometimes inside a day. But BGS themselves never release a patch for these bugs. And now 76, which we can't mod, has the same bugs; only worse.

[@FILIPFIXTIGER]

Dodger is Back. Thank Jesus, Mohamed, Buda, FourArmed Indian Lady & Santa Clause.

[@Lucios1995]

The excuse "It's easier to maintain one global server" for Rainbow Six Siege reminds me of the excuse for having not having a Female assassin in Assassin's Creed Unity

[@borisb.5024]

Thanks for the quick reupload!

[@boylag]

While you may struggle every now and then on the podcast you straight killed it on that advert. Keep up the good work. Youll get there. ;P

[@attilapataki46]

biggest problem of fallout 76? everything... especially how boooooring it is, seriously ive never played a big budget game that was as boring as this game also "people hated the npcs in fallout 4" yes... how is replacing them with audio logs better though? its much worse in my opinion... and its certainly not how i played fallout 4... 1:19:00 fallout 76 having more interesting quests? are you serious? im not saying fallout 4 had great quests but holy sht this is far from better

[@TheSixonezero]

They hated FO4 npcs because they were shells of npcs in FONV or FO3. They decided to just say fuck it and drop the shells entirely. Mathas put it right FO4 was a great 1st person shooter terrible Fallout game

[@thedarkness125]

This was and is all disingenuous. Robots are also NPCs and a few of them are quite interesting and fun. Audio logs and leaving the quests to be found via exploring and reading and mostly unmarked...thats... that's kinda a staple of the fallouts everyone loves but because everyone wants to hate fallout 76 its suddenly not okay here. You are a literal crazy person vomiting lies and vitriol into the world so you can jump on the hate train. Fallout 76 is an incredibly faithful fallout game, going so far as to make you feel more alone moment to moment than any other fallout game ever has only occasionally coming into contact with another player and it's very fleeting. Let's try being realistic from now on.

[@sabertoothray]

More of this: 1:17:39 Less of this: 1:04:00

[@Narmatonia]

Stan Lee also seems like the kind of guy who would have given express permission to cgi him into the future movies

[@TheDerek14]

"Mobile Market is one of the biggest markets." Yes it is. Mobile games rake in alot of money and there is nothing wrong with Blizzard wanting to develop games in the mobile market, but not at the expense of their playerbase. Genna was right when she said Blizzard shit the bed because they completely lost touch with their community. The biggest problem with Diablo Immortal is the sheer disrespect it shows towards the fans. The game, as shown, is being seen as a the primary focus of Blizzard's attention right now when it comes to Diablo and nothing else. If it is true that Blizzard is actually working on other projects they should have showed that off as well with Immortal. But they didn't, and they should most definitely get shit for it. .

[@giantpunda2911]

I get the sense that Genna wanted to hate on Fallout 76 so hard and was holding her tongue when the guest was speaking fairly positive of it. As much as she had a conciliatory perspective to Fallout 76 in this podcast, I would not be the least bit surprised if she went on the hating bandwagon again with Jim in the next one, as if Jon's perspective meant nothing. Which is fine if she doesn't like the game. However, I wonder if she will actually give the game a fair go before next week's podcast.

[@jofisher8466]

I have a crazy idea for you. People are allowed different opinions whilst still politely listening to each other.

[@karenlowe9283]

Why should she. Her experience is the game is bad performance and a mess. The matn guy just a Bethesda lover and will say it acceptable. Let's just think bk to biscuit he would say it is a terrible state and shit point blank and nobody argument would change that so why should genna?

[@giantpunda2911]

@@karenlowe9283 I wouldn't be so dismissive of Many a True Nerd as a Bethesda lover in much the same way someone could be dismissive of Genna as Bethesda hater (which I'm not doing). Were Genna just any other person like you or I, I wouldn't have any qualms about how well formed or otherwise her opinion is of the game. However, she has a platform that she and her late husband has built on based on objective game reviews (not to be mistaken for unbiased; we can't escape our own biases). She said herself, she spent more time messing with the ini files than she did playing the game. Hardly confidence building for an informed opinion, particularly considering how eager she was to hate on the game from the get go. If she gives Fallout 76 a fair go based on the views given by Many a True Nerd as she indicated in the podcast, great! Regardless of whether she find some merit in the game in spite of its obvious flaws or hates on it even harder. Maybe it's just me but based on what I saw in the podcast, I doubt that that is going to happen. Which would be very disappointing if that's the case given the history and legacy of this channel. Objective reviews was what I came here for week after week over many years. Anyhow, we'll see how things play out next week. I would like to be pleasantly surprised. Not that she suddenly loves Fallout 76 (hell, even I don't love the game) but she's comes with a sufficiently informed and objective opinion. That's all.

[@celestialmonkey]

Fallout 76 is awful, both in performance and gameplay. I can just imagine TB's video eviscerating this crap game.

[@cakeisamadeupdrug6134]

@@celestialmonkey You can't eviscerate something already so gutless.

[@bavandrade]

29:10 "And then Bethesda will be ours" Yes, Jesse, that's exactly what they did

[@mtlvmpr]

I think Genna said that consoles have it good with F76 but if you check DigiFoundry vid about it, you can see that it's terrible. Spoiler! 12fps

[@objectdefiance4027]

The moment I saw ManyATrueNerd I Clicked!

[@warhammerguy]

Totally agree with Genna on the fallout franchise. Fallout 4 and 76 are a joke.

[@Dr_Andracca]

The problem is that Fallout 4 only really starts to shine once you mod the crap out of it. The base game feels sort of baron. To me it felt like it wanted you to focus on settlements, but then there really isn't all that much to build.

[@Battleschnodder]

I really like your avatar

[@warhammerguy]

@@Battleschnodder Thanks ^^ A friend of mine designed it for me :)

[@Dr_Andracca]

@Alex Woodward Some games are actually worth getting for mods alone... Fallout 4 is one of them.

[@TheBEstAltair]

@@Dr_Andracca You're totally right, i also didn't find settlement building deep enough, just a small nitpick though, the word you wanted to use was barren *in your first reply.

[@notapplicable7292]

I came here for MATN, u stayed here for MATN, MATN was clearly not here.

[@AkalaTanara]

To add to the Fallout 76, I decided to get it partly due to it being West Virginia, I used to go camping in the Shenandoah mountains when I was younger, so kinda had a bit of nostalgia for that, and during the beta I decided to use my experiences to tell friends it isn't ready, don't get it unless its 50% off. That seems more fair with it the way it currently is. Also the Stash limits are God aweful! It is going to encourage alt-mules to carry excess.. that said I am having fun with it solo and with a friend, just can't recommend it to anyone yet, not till some of its worst problems get fixed. The Stash alone is enough to make people quit >.

[@AschenDog]

Blizzard can call me back when the WoW remote auction house exists again.

[@jshadowhunter]

To Jesse: I don't care if "it's FUN!" if it breaks the ESTABLISHED UNIVERSE. That's why you'd be a really bad choice for writing stories because you can't stay consistent.

[@Nashikage]

I would of just gone with, "I don't find bad movies fun.", but then again why deny someone the chance to build a straw man to their made up argument?

[@winstonsmith3703]

If you're talking about the brotherhood it's actually just some people who took up the name rather then actually being it they're impostors essentially.

[@defeqel6537]

I wouldn't care about breaking an established universe if the movie was actually fun, but pissing off your core audience might not be the greatest of ideas. Even taking away the whole established SW universe doesn't make TLJ a good movie. Solo box office might indicate what SW movie future is.

[@YohanBone]

Stories are not about universes; a story's fictional universe is nothing more than set dressing. The Lord of the Rings isn't a great story because Tolkien had pages of middle-earth history, it's a great story because of its characters, its drama, its themes. I'm not saying that consistency isn't important, as it can be distracting if it's completely ignored. But I'd much rather read a story that has interesting characters etc. than a story that's simply consitent.

[@SuperSanity1]

Well then you are going to hate every franchise ever. There are lore inconsistencies in almost every single one.

[@garrett3117]

Jeff was always an entertainer. Legacy of Steel archives are pure gold.

[@dogthedanny]

Good episode of the podcast, I look forward to the next one! While I also think that Fallout 76 is a disaster of what could have been a cool game, I liked that MATN could provide an insightful perspective to why the game was and is a good experience for some players.

[@phprofYT]

The engine is old (Fallout 76). Back in those days they tied framerate to a bunch of stuff. Probably made sense at the time. To change it, they would have to change the core engine mechanics. They don't want to do so. The framework is the issue.

[@TheBEstAltair]

Apparently it isn't... The problem is Bethesda itself. Not wanting to fix those bugs, not learning from their past mistakes, hell F76 has bugs due to same engines that other games have fixed.(Like Havoc engine i think) Why couldn't Bethesda be arsed to fix them?

[@marcpuzon]

I'm definitely gonna bet on them putting either a picture of him, a video somewhere, or a zoom in shot of exelcior on a mug or something.

[@Creamouz]

A brit called John complaining about there not being enough options, where have I seen that before? ^^

[@CordovaMage]

You dont need diablo anymore. Path of Exile fills that role and they are always changing bits in the game to keep it fresh.

[@mb2001]

Maguire, best Spidey? (looks at newer performances) …mmm… Actually, The Man has a very good point.

[@marcog.verbruggen674]

Honestly, I'm very much a PC gamer, but I welcome these mobiles games with open arms. I think the only people who don't appreciate good mobile games (yes, they exist, and if you look in the right places you can find really really good ones) are the ones who never ever leave their computer. I spend more than 2 hours every day in a subway, so a big AAA mobile game set in universes I love are a welcome addition to my pocket PC. As long as they're good mobile games, of course (which, again, they do exist... but unfortunately a lot of the AAA ones are not even decent).

[@Maxbeedo2]

Genna has a legit 10/10 smile.

[@TheOJDrinker]

The Four will always be Fantastic, the Hulk will always be Incredible

[@erikenn]

Genna playing "deliv's advocate" isn't what you seem to think it means. It's do defend a position or a person who you do not agree with. You would be devil's advocate if you were to defend Fallout 76 from it's detractors.

[@Tihi85]

Genna is back ! :)

[@sarafandumah4572]

Full-on Genna is a sight to behold.

[@JamzDP]

Holy shit, this guy was such a shill for FO76 O_o Clearly zero influence from paid events etc.

[@PoisonP3ach]

Stan Lee, knowing his time was probably close, paid to have a lot of cameos pre recorded for future films. He won't be hologramed for a fair few years.

[@איציקכהן-כ5ז]

John guy sounds like totalbuscit miss you tb Great show guys and jena

[@brucecampbellschin8632]

You can put Stan Lee in the movies as a hologram. I think Kevin Smith was in the middle of another Jay and Silent Bob movie and Stan Lee had a part. Not sure how far along that project was before he died.

[@davidlucas4051]

"you gotta really savor the murder'' Jesse Cox 2018.

[@Goatcha_M]

Yeah, need the Unoficial Patch for Fallout 4, and also a save-game at least just before you exit the vault to save half an hour, and then ignore Garvey.

[@waterdrinkert]

Tobey Maguire is my favorite too. His Peter Parker was closest to the comic books for me.

[@pakornwattanavrangkul2550]

Yes! Savage Genna on FO76! And Jon has to sit there and listen is just icing on the cake. I love the guy but his over positivity can really be grating at times, especially when it comes to Bethesda.

[@mrcyberpunk]

yeah that was amazing.

[@Lonewolf3000X]

Pakorn Wattanavrangkul 1:28:45 😂

[@pakornwattanavrangkul2550]

Ah that made my day.

[@SuperSanity1]

His "over positivity" is a breath of fresh air on KZbin. I'm tired of seeing "I'm pissed off and here's why on my feed." Sometimes I just want to have fun.

[@pakornwattanavrangkul2550]

Im also tired of people trying to deny objective facts. FO76 is not a good game, trying to downplay its and Bethesda's flaws isnt healthy for anyone. You can enjoy it but the game itself is indefensible in that state it was launched in, especially with that price tag. Also seeing Jon getting a bit angry is kinda funny.

[@RupeeRhod]

Detective Pikachu... As a gen 1 fan I'd liked to have something a bit more into what the original games were about, maybe even following Red, I know we had the Anime movie, but that didn't flow fantastically to me. I think it's a shame for the first Pokemon live action movie, this is what we get, this is like the spin off that is massively fun you get after the "more serious" piece or in this case just the "more original" piece. That said it looks like it could be a good movie. I'm pretty sure I will enjoy it, and anything Pokemon live action I'll take right now. I hope this becomes so succesful they wanna do a full blown pokemon league movie trillogy. But I completely disagree with Dodger, no I'm sick of the whole "le random" mentality Hollywood has right now, nothing is given weight, everything has to be bonkers, all dialogue in Star Wars has to sound like a stand up routine. I'm sick of that shit. The only reason why I think Detective Pikachu might be good, is because it seems like it'll actually go mostly serious, with cut aways of jokes.

[@kombinatsiya6000]

Kinda forgot that MATN even existed during the first 10 minutes.... 🤣

[@fanjestic4294]

Who? Was that the guy who was 10 mins late? :')

[@Lucios1995]

I was watched the bit with Diablo Inmortal and at the Quiet Man segment, i thought it was an empty spot with that logo

[@dungeonmaster16]

18:20 the world of Pokémon in general is ridiculous so the plot, design and world of detective pikachu movie is something majority of ppl accept if they seen the Pokémon show and see the ridiculous stuff. The good one which is connected to this is the episode of meowth learning to speak to impress another meowth. Or hell in Japan episodes like porygon (ridiculous and bit controversial) is another good example.

[@themumbler8389]

It's about time they got Jon on.

[@NathanCassidy721]

Stan Lee, from what I’ve heard, has a cameo up to Avengers 4. I don’t follow that much movie stuff but that’s the word on the vine. My favorite cameos of his are in Deadpool and the SpiderMan game that came out this year.

[@XxXChefkochXxX]

MATN: you can kill stuff = choice

[@PiousSlayer]

The odd thing for me is that most people are overlooking NetEase working on Eve Online (mobile) as well as Diablo Immortal, both were announced around the same time. Kinda odd in my opinion.

[@melih626]

i would love it if you guys ever had Ranton on this podcast his reviews are honestly one of the best i have seen and he could really use the publicity since all his high quality video's just get less then 10.000 views

[@SlimeyGuitarStrings]

That clayman thing is simultaneously one of the best and stupidest things I've ever heard.

[@AnimeRonin]

That sucks but copyright claims are what they are.

[@StatesAdmin]

An autonomous system that acts without logic or reason or any consideration of fair used that google hamfisted onto the platform?

[@AnimeRonin]

@@StatesAdmin Which is why there is a system also in place to (in theory) combat these claims of copyright.

[@DSTkunn]

It be like that sometimes

[@LyricalDJ]

More appropriately: Nintendo are who they are.

[@delirium4327]

LOL the bunker segment was hilarious!!!

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

It's ALIVE!

[@GenJuhru]

Love the Squarespace ad ♥♥♥

[@Krascara]

Tugs on my heartstrings every time Genna says Jon, and I wonder if she feels weird for her to say the name so often.

[@Etherealhorn]

Finally MATN in this show! Great content.

[@kwakupnk]

Anyone still bang out hardcore runescape?

[@atomicspacebomb7829]

Yay Genna's back!