The Coming Turkish Population Crisis

[@kaiserbauch9092]

I immediately noticed lot of hate on the AI images. I get a lot of requests to make the videos more audio-visually compelling and I thought this might be an interesting thing to try. If you hate it, I do not have to do it. But sometimes I am looking for a picture of something that I just can not find on the free stock image platforms. I will make a poll on the issue. I also said that Istanbul is the capital, while it is obviously Ankara, which is pretty stupid mistake to make. Sorry for that! I am going to edit it out.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Next episode central asia.

[@kaiserbauch9092]

@mozaic529 Why do you think that?

[@ilyapolishuk5126]

@mozaic529 Unfortunately, Türkiye is NOT anymore European power.

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

I actually liked the ai images. Can you please make a video about Greece, you would be surprised by our fertility history.

[@4spooky8u]

The AI images are fine

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

Bulgaria's fertility rate in 2023: 1.75 Turkey's fertility rate in 2023: 1.51 ... I never thought that we would live in a timeline where a country like Bulgaria with a depressing Demographic history would surpass a country like Turkey with historically high birth rates.

[@ermin2248]

Yeah and if you count only ethnic Turks then their fertility will be close to that of Germans or Japanese. It's so surprising their fertility has declined that much

[@joroplayer]

In Bulgaria the Roma bring up the average. Ethnic Bulgarians have more like 1.3 fertility

[@nntflow7058]

They always said that Religions and Social conservatism could help increase fertility rate. But Turkey, UAE, Qatar, Iran and Bahrain shows otherwise.

[@sanniks]

Turkey is actually very socially liberal​@@nntflow7058

[@visitante-pc5zc]

Low fertility rates have strong relation with socialist policies. Huge taxation, no private property, supression of free speech and many other things from socialism are taking its toll

[@emreekici1239]

Your analysis is good but incomplete due to not taking into account the millions of illegal immigrants in Turkey who have much higher fertility rate than Turks and Kurds which will certainly have a huge effect on the demographics.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

This makes it worse...

[@prohacker5086]

Onları göndercektik ya noldu o işe

[@k.umquat8604]

​@@prohacker5086 Erdoğan istemiyor

[@deralufe9094]

They wont solve anything, any 2. to 3. generation immigrants fertility rate drops to sub-replacement level. The child of a ghana immigrant family will just very like have 0-1 children only.

[@baha3alshamari152]

​@@prohacker5086 Demographic crisis made the government cancel their deportation as the economy needs young workers

[@capslocked7274]

also noticed that, the turkish diaspora in vienna is far more conservative than the average west to central turk

[@JohnJourdan88]

Funny how that works huh

[@sadrick1639]

Because they are not welcomed by Austrians. So they remain religious.

[@Hasanaljadid]

Atleast Half of The "Turks" are actually Kurds

[@JohnJourdan88]

Hasanaljadid How can you tell?

[@Sonilotos]

​@@Hasanaljadidnot even close to half but whatever makes you happy ig

[@DQyoutuber]

As a Turkish person, while watching the Euros in Germany, I realized that there were more Turks in Germany than in Turkey

[@SanaNeLan1945]

@@christopherneufelt8971 The majority of Turks in Germany belong to the working class, so they pay taxes and do work that Germans don't want to do. It is natural that they benefit accordingly from the social system for which they pay for. I don't know what your problem is.

[@Justaprix]

​@@SanaNeLan1945 Let me tell you what his problem is. Someone told him a lie that turks or Muslims in general live for free in western countries with everything paid by the Government.

[@foodistzen]

@@SanaNeLan1945 The problem is they are the enemy of Europa

[@bigyokes4747]

@@SanaNeLan1945There’s no such thing as “work germans don’t want to do” only work that germans are not paid enough to do. Too many people in the working age groups all over europe because of mass migration. They undercut the value of native labour.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

​@@bigyokes4747 Exactly

[@Weird_Interest]

how to save turkey: give them the german turks back

[@BOZ_11]

they were invited over after the war

[@hamlet557]

@@BOZ_11 And Turkey can invite them back to Turkey.

[@FS-me8mj]

And turkey will reset back to Islam 😂

[@BOZ_11]

@@FS-me8mj 99% of Turkish citizens are Sunni Muslims. Genius

[@Weird_Interest]

@@BOZ_11 as guest workers

[@YB_1001]

Knew you would get around to this. Yes, its very bad, and Turkey is "solving it" in the same way as Western European countries - endless immigration from unknown quantities. Now its bayram, and every Turk in Istanbul is in the countryside to visit their family, I can see just how many foreigners there are. Arabs, Persians, Russians, Ukrainians, Chinese, Germans. 10 years ago in bayram the city would've been empty because the Turks would be away and the Turks would be the only people living here. Now the city is active, but none of the people are familiar. Every day I hear foreign speech outside my window, even Armenian.

[@ilyapolishuk5126]

Armenian speach was there much before the turkish one from Altay/Mongolia area has arrived.

[@Dicka899]

@@ilyapolishuk5126its still foreign

[@KhoroshavinKosmos]

@@Dicka899 For Armenians living there so is Turkish

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

Turks are already Brazilian tier in their genetics so why are you complaining if more are added to the mix?

[@Dicka899]

@@KhoroshavinKosmos yeah sure but it’s not their home

[@mustafasoylemem2490]

Thanks for the video.

[@systemreset9410]

My man donated 0.5 euros

[@mustafasoylemem2490]

@@systemreset9410 Hey, at least I donated something. Also in Turkey minimum vage less then 500 euros.

[@NoctLightCloud]

​@@systemreset9410let him. in his country, that probably feels like a lot. I still found your comment funny😂

[@tomorrowneverdies567]

@@systemreset9410 So?

[@Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too]

@@NoctLightCloud Still, the prices in Turkiye are cheaper than in the Eurozone. maybe it's more like a Euro or two.

[@Loremeister737]

*Turks somehow feel more turkish in Germany than in turkiye*

[@JohnJourdan88]

That’s how it goes. Boers are more Dutch than the Netherlands. Germans in Romania or Kazakhstan more German than Germany.

[@KameroonEmperor]

​@@JohnJourdan88 The USA be like:

[@verbosequestion]

It's just diaspora nationalism, people want to feel part of a culture they already identify with and recognize when they don't easily fit into the one they see everyday.

[@JohnJourdan88]

cameroonemperor755 I don’t get it. Is this some sort of meme?

[@KameroonEmperor]

@@JohnJourdan88 Americans and their heritage

[@speggeri90]

These poor AI images are distracting and annoying. Isnt there some stock images that would visualize things better.

[@Arnouxvaze]

I like them. (I have watched almost every video on the channel) The video production went so far. From needing to pause every 10 seconds to read a huge wall of text to comfortably watch a video while eating.

[@notak4046]

@@Arnouxvaze But these images are wrong, and can be misleading. For example, the Kurdistan flag is not red, yellow and green with star in the middle, like Ghana's.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

This is so soyjack

[@jirislavicek9954]

I thought exactly the same. The "traditional Muslim family" picture was a cringe.

[@ParameterGrenze]

Nothing against AI images. Just cheap, low effort, generic ones that are all over the place and look all the same. You can easily make AI generated pictures that people wouldn’t even know are generated.

[@leonardoleo5740]

Do one about Brazil too. We have such terrible demographics that our census in 2022 showed, instead of the 215 million expected, 203 million. This meant our birth rate is far too low to sustain that model. And our economy is also big enough to be influential in the world stage. So please, about us in some video. If you need any help with, I can gladly take. Otherwise, wonderful video. Like.

[@NoOne-kx7zs]

Brazillian economy 'used to be' influential when it was 6th largest in world around 15 years back.....now it's 10h largest and constantly being taken over by others. Main reason:- excess crime

[@matheuss886]

@@NoOne-kx7zs Brazil is actually the seventh largest economy in the world. Not denying that we're in the deep shit economically though. But it is still in top 10.

[@hulking_presence]

Why did you import "them"? It was one of the biggest mistakes in human history. You will not build a country unless you remove them all.

[@lucaslevinsky8802]

Brazil can actually keep its fertility rate high if the more Southeasterners settle in the Center-West region

[@harshjain3122]

​@@NoOne-kx7zs where did you pull up those stats from lmao?

[@josepheridu3322]

I'm convinced that cities are population tombs, black holes, dead ends.

[@danbaltic9678]

Cause of small 1-3 bedroom apartments. People living in apartments usually have 0, 1, or rarely 2 kids max (except they just straight off the boat third world immigrants). In suburbs it's usually 1-3. Rural areas - 2-3, rarely 4, very rarely more. There aren't many big houses in cities, I would suspect that rich families who live in mansions have higher than average fertility.

[@josepheridu3322]

@@danbaltic9678 Not to mention that many rich people live in suburbs anyway.

[@majorian4897]

The secret is to nationalize the cities for the needs of the state and to subsidize rural living for the needs of the people.

[@Itsyrm8]

@@danbaltic9678 have to say that the trend, the message spread in the west is that having kids is not sane acting due to tight economic reality. Or because females want to party and have a successful lucrative job, and then have kids..Some even claim that the act of bearing a child is the outmost selfish act. So yeah, we are basically leaving the breeding to those coming from the east

[@transforgoku]

Universe 25 experiment proved that a long time ago...

[@leventyldz1108]

You forget to mention the increasing number of immigrants from Africa and Asia which have higher birthrates than the Turks and the Kurds and how it is effecting the country economically and socially.

[@eatinsomtin9984]

There are not many immigrants from asia except Afghans who have a higher fertility rate then Kurds. Although, 90% of the African ones do

[@2000Blizzard]

What Asians

[@marvin2678]

@@2000Blizzard afghans

[@iyiolaabosede9500]

African😂😂 oh maybe the Northern Africa ohh I get you now

[@theteamxxx3142]

@@iyiolaabosede9500u refuse to consider north africans as humans

[@mp77744]

Turkey is not comparable to Arab or south Asian countries just because it is Muslim. It’s history is unique.

[@Hasanaljadid]

Can comparable with UAE or Qatar

[@mp77744]

@@Hasanaljadid I disagree. Turkish culture is nothing like arabic culture. Maybe you could compare historically with Iran, but 20th century Turkish history is unique (secular, liberal, nationalist) among Muslim nations.

[@mp77744]

@@Hasanaljadid I guess "nothing like arabic culture" is an exaggeration. There are similarities and shared heritage, but lumping the two together because of religion and the history of the Ottoman Empire is like saying England and Romania have the same culture because of Christianity and Roman history.

[@Hasanaljadid]

​@@mp77744UAE,Bahrain is also liberal,secular, has low birth rates

[@williamdavis9562]

@@Hasanaljadid Not really. Different culture, different history, different genetic make up and different geography. There are some cultural similarities though due to the influence of a shared religion.

[@furredturgison5507]

Another massive ticking time bomb is Latin America. Chile TFR is headed below 1, and Colombia is down to 1.3, and all of this happened only recently.

[@JohnJourdan88]

Check again. Colombia is even lower

[@baha3alshamari152]

Bolivia 2.7 Peru 2.3 It's still not bad in south America

[@manjushagongale]

​@@JohnJourdan88For Colombia it's about 1.6 and for Chile it's 1.4 Not below 1.

[@JohnJourdan88]

manjushagongale Nope. It’s 1.2 as of 2023 and declined even more this year in Colombia. It’s 1.2 also in 2023 in Chile and declined even more also this year. Look it up on Wikipedia.

[@manjushagongale]

@@JohnJourdan88 Other sites give different data. My estimate is it can be like 1.45 to 1.5

[@conflictedthought1]

I'm sorry but the A.I images are a big turn off as a 1st time viewers of the channel.

[@mrguire5192]

Yeah not a fan of the AI. This is the first time he has used them in videos though

[@AChannelFaust]

same it makes me kinda mad tbh the video is not that bad tho

[@brendanwiley253]

What is the likelihood that cities are just naturally opposed to fertility and that the correlation with education only exists because highly educated jobs tend to be located in cities?

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

This is atleast part of it. Since records began cities have always had lower fertility than the average.

[@mikiandfriends1820]

Ezy life?

[@Mrs.Robinsons]

The rich are educated and get richer. The poor have more babies

[@balporsugu2.0]

Syrians in Turkey have over 5 TFR rate but Syrians in Syria have 2-2.5 TFR rate and Syrian population in Turkey is over 5-6 millions.

[@man58652]

Whats source for syrian have 5 tfr in turkey

[@QuasooCroissant]

It must be because it's not a good idea to have children in the middle of a war.

[@NSJ09]

To answer your question, the Indian state of Bihar has a fertility rate of 3.02, while Sikkim has a fertility rate of 1.1. That being said, Bihar has around 150 million people, while Sikkim has 610,000.

[@GermanTaffer]

I have to give you give my admiration! You find relevant society changes in front of other youtubers!

[@kaiserbauch9092]

Thank you very much!

[@enticingmay435]

There are millions of Turks in Germany and the Netherlands. Remigration will probably be welcomed by the country of origin in this case lol

[@JohnJourdan88]

And even more by their host countries lol

[@Hasanaljadid]

Those Turks in Germany are mostly 2nd or 3rd generation

[@DR3ADER1]

@@Hasanaljadid And their political attitudes are more in line with younger Americans in the Southern, traditionally conservative states. Because like their similarly-aged compatriots in North America, a lot of younger Turkish Germans do NOT support Erdogan or his Ultranationalist, Conservative views. This has an extra knock-on effect in that because people who are wealthier and more cosmopolitan than say, the poorer, traditionalist classes raise and birth fewer children, it damages the birth rates of both the nations they currently reside in AND their nation of origin.

[@effexon]

@@DR3ADER1 add to that sometimes erdogan uses warlike rhetoric... who wants to be killed by stupid dictator war. He would wish to expand empire and has bombed some places but being close to EU and NATO member doesnt allow as much madness thankfully. birthrates tend to be lower in dictatorian countries... which is shame coz conservatives usually have more kids but this is bad kind of conservative leadership... so they are also not "stupid" when no good future awaits. poland is one of few countris matching this balance to get remigration but inflation is beast everywhere.

[@weetbix4497]

​@@DR3ADER1Is that really the case? I often see videos where entire streets in Germany are filled up with Turks marching for Erdoğan. And it seems to be one of the places where groups like the Grey Wolves are a real problem.

[@amarjamakovic1297]

Please don't use AI, it looks like shit.

[@samankucher5117]

i don't like Ai too .

[@Destroyruss]

​@@samankucher5117but its only him. Chzech Man. Not AI

[@adamyitzhak9907]

No

[@seckinbilgic]

As a white Turk, it is necessary to write something here. In the last 5 years, young people are more worried about their future than ever before. Almost every one of them talks about leaving the country and building a life in a different country. Economic challenges have been the only agenda of the country for years. This hardship is such that marriages are breaking up and new unions are not turning into marriages. 25% of young people spend time in the family home doing nothing. Raising children is extremely costly. Even raising 1 child as a White Turk is incredibly expensive. Especially education has an incredibly high cost. As a result, for the first time, there is regression in every field.

[@V_Strategist]

Mercantilism is an universal problem...

[@johnnyespalahento2431]

White turk 😂

[@MuhammedAL-Chad-nz4jx]

>turk >white 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hasanaljadid]

​@@MuhammedAL-Chad-nz4jxWhite turk means liberal turk

[@eggygenc6621]

Önce Erdoğan is finished in 2028 the country will go back to normal again

[@HisCoconutGun]

Holy moly Turkey's TFR has crashed. It seems like yesterday they were chilling over 2. Now theyve basically matched the EU.

[@redstone5062]

They basically did what Italy, Portugal and Spain did. Young people left to find work elsewhere and had their children there, leaving an older population behind.

[@musakarakaya2483]

@@redstone5062 Uzmanlık belgen nereden?

[@Omcs234]

Arabs and kurds make it look higher.

[@mahmoodabbasi6120]

hopefully they will keep it high for times to come as well ​@@Omcs234

[@edwardelric5019]

​@@redstone5062I'm German-Turkish (my grandparents were guestworkers) and after Covid I've met sooo many newcomers from Turkiye (all young and educated).

[@dorkusmaximus3033]

Thanks!

[@kaiserbauch9092]

Thank you very much!

[@igorgs737]

Could you do a video about south america demography (Brazil, Argentina, Chile and etc)?

[@sabrinarodrigues629]

Absolutely.

[@KVUAA]

Yeah, he also should talk about their middle income trap

[@domcizek]

PLENTY OF DATA ON YOU TUBE FOR THESE CONTRIES, JUST LOOK FOR IT

[@jgxrt988]

As a Peruvian, I'd like to see a video like that about South American countries, I've realized that here fertility rate has dropped to 1.9 kids per woman in 2024

[@PeruvianPotato]

​@@jgxrt988 Has it? I thought we still had 2.1 which meant that we were one of the few non-Muslim countries with a good fertility rates

[@Dara-wk5ty]

And the comments about Turkey being Arab + Kurdish will finally be right

[@kubilaybalci5724]

No because Turkey also imports large amounts of deeply Islamic Turkic folk from CA.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

@@kubilaybalci5724 They are trying to rice themselves again? Lol

[@Lockfly]

​@@kubilaybalci5724that's largely been unsuccessful tho since Central Asians rather go to Europe or Russia

[@Kurdish20226]

@@kubilaybalci5724the central asians coming to turkey are usually liberal and dont have high birthrates either

[@Kurdish20226]

Turkey is already 60% kurdish, albanian and syrian. Erdogan is Georgian.

[@theblancmange1265]

Finally a video not about europeans going extinct!

[@JohnJourdan88]

I was so sick of it myself. It’s funny how Europeans have had a much longer demographic transition than any other region.

[@komisossoutsidi5801]

Part of Turkey is geographically part of Europe and a lot of Turks identify as European so...

[@Hasanaljadid]

You forgot about His video about Eastern Europe

[@MissionControlTet]

Most of Western Turkey is demographically European. They were just Turkified and now they think they're descendants of Mongol Turks rather than Greeks and Native Anatolians. It is a loss for Europeans again

[@orthodox-mp6hv]

Turkiey is sort of semi-european so the narrative has not changed all that much.

[@jermania766]

Those bad AI generated pictures are ugly and distracting.

[@jrezecordero7943]

Agreed

[@bentoleal9311]

Smoke coming out of the minaret in one of the pictures hahahahaha

[@realityisenough]

They're cool

[@williamdavis9562]

@jermania766. No serious person watches these videos for the pretty pictures. If they spend all their effort the pictures, the content and research will suffer. If you want nicer looking pictures, try a children's book. They have fantastic pictures.

[@baloocallout678]

@@williamdavis9562 No serious person would remain serious with those pictures.

[@kubilaybalci5724]

The issue is mainly secular vs religious (look at the names by births) or diaspora communities. But plenty of Turks will intentionally deny this or blame muh economics (how many bougie Turks have 3 kids or more?) cuz God forbids saying one thing good about Anatolian conservatives or about Islam. Some seculars see the trajectory and switch sides but keep it to themselves to not be ostracized.

[@JohnJourdan88]

What are examples of Kurdish vs Turkish names? Is özil a Kurd?

[@kubilaybalci5724]

@@JohnJourdan88 i mean religious vs Turkic/Mongolian and or other names, my secular family is an outlier (I have 4 siblings but none of us have Islamic names)

[@emrecanarduc4378]

@@JohnJourdan88 özil is not a kurd even if he was a kurd we wouldnt care. He has chosen to play in german team and he belongs to turkish diaspora.

[@JohnJourdan88]

@emrecanarduc4378 That’s not the question. Either he is Kurdish or Turkish regardless of what he wants.

[@emrecanarduc4378]

@@JohnJourdan88 so i am saying it . özil is not kurdish not even a ethnic one.

[@inakipondal489]

I seriously appreciate your content. I would like to add, since you are talking about Turkey, that culturally turkic countries like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are actually facing a population explosion. And not because of immigration. Its about their fertility rates. It would be great if you make content for Central Asia some day. Since these countries basically wipe out all of the conventional theories about literacy rates, religiosity, the position of women in the society, and above all, being formal soviet republics. Lets take into consideration that Kazakhstan have had one of the lowest fertility rates on the planet in the beginning of the century, including a massive population exodus of the country, and the actual numbers makes the kazakh case probably the most resilient country on the entire planet on this matter. The fertility rate is above 3 children per woman, in Uzbekistan, in the last year recorded, it is 3,5 children per woman. And in southern Kazakhstan it is above 4 children per woman. The average Kazakh fertility is higher than Haiti (The country with the highest rate in the entire american continent), the one of Uzbekistan is higher than the one of Ghana, and the southern Kazakhstan one is comparable to the one of South Sudan. Their turning tide of demographics is insane, and it wipes out all of the conventional theories. Even the minorities inside kazakhstan such as the Ukrainian minority, on the latest reported data, reported 1,88 children per ukrainian woman, that would be a number that mainland Ukraine wont have even in their dreams at this moment. Its like these countries were the only ones who beated their drug addiction and became sober ever since. Way better than the case of Israel, since that country had never got into drugs (demographic implosion) in the first place. If I am suffering a drug addiction (sub replacement level fertility), I will certainly listen the man that used to be on drugs and overcame it, rather than the one that had never experienced any drug use in the first place. From a Subscriber, I believe, These countries deserve a Video. Thank You for all your content by the way.

[@dehaman_4_144]

i doubt he will do a video about it because nobody(absolutely nobody) understands whats going on in central asia. as former soviet union countries they have very high education level rates(especially women education), not bad economies and good enough infrastructure. all of this basically screams that demography analysis is completely wrong on the popular/mainstream theories. they will never admit it.

[@JohnJourdan88]

This is called exception to the rule. You can add Mongolia. It is unprecedented indeed, but it’s also very volatile as all of it fluctuates dramatically in a given year. I believe it is ethnic nationalism. There has been a lot of emigration of its European minority (formerly majorities) and assimilation of other non-central Asians (Koreans, Tatars, Crimeans, Turks etc) and a lot of return migration from Russia, China and each other to become more homogenous. It is worth a study.

[@inakipondal489]

@@dehaman_4_144What you have said, its on point. It is always comfortable to talk about how bad most countries are going, rather than analysing the countries which are approving the demographic test.

[@inakipondal489]

@@JohnJourdan88I completely agree with your point, for that reason, I believe it would be great if he talks about it, since they are the only examples in the world which are turning the tide of demographics. Because, we are all already well aware of how bad demographics and fertilities are going worldwide. So rather than over analizing the same problem, it would be great from people like kaiser bauch, who is interested in this subject to research more information on the solutions.

[@eatinsomtin9984]

I believe this is just the numbers rebounding (not to the same levels as during soviet times) after the massive dip during the soviet collapse. You won't see those numbers stay the same in another 10 years just like how the Kazakh fertility has gone back down however, the Uzbek one has grown again. This is probably primarily due to these countries becoming more religious and is why idiotic leaders like Rahmonov are trying Kemalist policies such as banning the hijab and celebrating Islamic holidays to qwell the resurgence.

[@PleaseSupportUkraine]

Remember that secular city dwellers are also created from assimilated rural migrants to the cities.

[@DR3ADER1]

And, as the declining birth rate shows and demonstrates its spread towards the Kurdish-majority regions, it also includes the minority groups and their children (of what little is being born, considering that only around 958,000 births were recorded in the ENTIRE COUNTRY of Turkey in 2023, for reference, 1.3 million births were recorded in 2001, 22 YEARS ago). And it has been demonstrated that the ONLY big supporters of what Erdogan is planning are people who are around the same age as Reccip, most of the younger Kurds despise Erdogan and his desire to make Turkey less secular.

[@williamdavis9562]

@FredrikNaevisdal. Insightful comment my friend. Well played.

[@greatwolf5372]

​@williamdavis9562 In early 1900s, the French left was worried that the high birth rates among the rural Catholics and large scale migration from Catholic Poland, Spain, and Italy would make France, a right wing theocratic state. But once they moved into the cities, the children and grandchildren of devout Catholcis became secular leftists. Same thing might happen in Turkish cities as well. The secular left breeds by "converting" the children of the religious.

[@williamdavis9562]

@@greatwolf5372 By the time this transformation happens we’ll be in a post liberal world order. Aka such a thing won’t really exist let alone convert people over to.

[@Aeterna71]

​@greatwolf5372 it is happening exactly like what you said. Children of religious families in Turkey become way more seculer than their parents some of them even becoming atheists.

[@alicankarakaya2770]

Economy is beyond fucked in Turkey. Surviving is a struggle let alone having kids.

[@abdullahiabdisalan1170]

Look at Africa it economy was the only problem nobody in Africa would have kids

[@TheMRJGREATJ]

​@abdullahiabdisalan1170 yep but in an industrialized society economy it's pretty much the main problem for not having kids, it's simply too expensive, in africa it's a different story kids are free labour

[@enticingmay435]

Yet people keep voting for Edrogan. So I guess the Turks like suffering?

[@Rukovet]

The amount of population growth Turkey has seen while the balkans and Greece have largely stagnated always sends shivers down my spine.

[@Banditxam5]

Why??

[@skeletalforce9673]

new ottoman empire time ​@@Banditxam5

[@Dicka899]

it is good to fear when you are prey

[@404.DKOK.34]

​@@skeletalforce9673 The Ottoman Empire no longer exists, now there is the Republic of Türkiye.

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

​@@skeletalforce9673 There cannot be ᶜUṯmaaniyyat or Ottoman empire or any Islaam related power! There can be in the Muslim world highly dictatorial power that lead to internal conflicts and perhaps nation to nation (Muslim nation with Muslim nation or Muslim nation with non-Muslim nation) conflicts just the same as the problems that exist in the non-Muslim third world countries in general, no different whatsoever! It's highly unlikely to bring forth the concept of empire in the Muslim world (but humanity whether Muslim or non-Muslim is the same, as delusional as one another)! The only ones that have higher chances of empire are those that are at the top hierarchically in power, and they're all non-Muslims! So, the chances of Ottoman empire are extremely slim, unless those non-Muslim powers at the top want to exploitatively play games in the Muslim world and they do, but still it can only result further deterioration of the Muslim world rather than bring out of the chaos they're in! So, in reality the only ones one has to worry are those non-Muslims in power, danger to all, whether Muslims or non-Muslims!

[@systemreset9410]

Şanlıurfa province is ethnically very diverse. Locally, It's about 45% Kurdish/Zaza and 40% Arab. The city center used to have a Turkish majority until 40s. There are some Turkish/Turkmen villages spread out around city center and the west. Also the Karakeçili tribe who are relatives of the founders of Ottoman dynasty, ironically kurdified and speaks Kurdish as mother tongue. It's politically diverse too. I'd say about 30% of Kurds/Zazas are of Hanefi sect, which were initially yazidi that avoided islamisation through Arab conquest and islamised by Turkish conquests later on, thus have a closer culture to Turks and have mostly a state favored view and dont vote for Kurdish separatist parties or recruited by them to PKK. On another note, Şanlıurfa is also where PKK founder Abdullah Öcalan was born. Funnily enough a few big Arab tribes support MHP, a supposed Turkish nationalist party and they are usually represented with one MP every election. The province also hosts like 800k Syrians. Which is like 35% rate of the locals. Most are Arabs with some kurds and Turkmen being in the mix. Şanlıurfa is known as city of Abraham and it's very heavy on religion. Kurds being in competition with Arab tribes for the domination of the province leads to a population race. Thus kurds of Şanlıurfa are less impacted by the soft secularization of Kurds that happened in other provinces like Hakkari and Van and thus still have high birthrates. Oh and there's also Uzbek village that is created in the 80s from Uzbeks in Afghanistan in the southern border to create border pass security and manpower to work at the Ceylanpınar farm (world biggest collective farm or something) by the coup regime. Hope some people appreciate this information.

[@JohnJourdan88]

And it worked wonders for you, not

[@hulking_presence]

@@JohnJourdan88 judging by your profile name, you know it's unsustainable and will collapse. All those small ethnicities tugging country in a different direction. Actually I'm a bit surprised by the inability of turks to assimilate all those middle eastern foreigners. I thought it was much simpler in with islamic population.

[@hulking_presence]

Actual central asian genetic ancestry in modern Turkey is around 10% on average. There are settlements where people have almost 100% central asian ancestry, but moat of the people have almost none. It would be smart for turks to reject its turkic myth and islamic ideology. "We are the same people as before the turkic conquest, we were here even before Alexander the great" and accept christianity. It would work wonders for the country.

[@Sonilotos]

​@@hulking_presenceby that logic, native Anatolian populations precede Christianity in the region as well, so Anatolians should follow the ancient Hattian religion. That sounds dumb, right? Yeah, because it is. This situation has nothing to do with religion; moreover, the vast majority of the current Anatolian populace follow Islam by will.

[@giorgiodifrancesco4590]

@@Sonilotos Hardly anyone follows religions out of their own volition, but almost everyone does so out of family tradition and ethnicity. Religion is only one aspect of culture and power. Spontaneous change is very difficult and can only be individual. Christians in the area now called Turkey became Muslims because of Muslims' imperial government pressure and familial convenience (Christians would be second-class citizens - dhimmi - and would have to pay a special tax , the jizyia). In an increasingly Muslim state, such as present-day Turkey, they will certainly not become Christians again (unless the present rulers go too far in imposing religious obligations, because then it would end up like Iran, where people are turning away from the Muslim religion).

[@PradedaCech]

I had a girlfriend from Istanbul (ethnic Turkish, you could say "White Turkish") when I was younger and lived there for a while. One guy even apologised to me for the kind of immigrants that came to Europe, saying that they were not exactly the elite.. One older gentleman tried to convince me to convert to Islam at the bus stop. A younger guy at my favourite fast food stand tried to find out my exact address. I was afraid that he or his people were going to rob me, but my local friends told me that he had probably something very different in mind.. Fascinating place, so many different cultures in one city..

[@politicsandart7994]

Why would you go to turkey though?

[@clairestanfield-ui1fg]

sounds sketchy for sure

[@jurassicthunder]

imagine being into Turkish 304s.

[@AncientRylanor69]

@@jurassicthunder Pleas what are "Turkish 304s"?

[@williamdavis9562]

@@politicsandart7994 For the same reasons millions of others do. It is a pretty fantastic place. I'm from Philadelphia but my family and I spend about 4 months out of every year in Turkiye. Been going there since the early 2000s.

[@ilyapolishuk5126]

Low fertility in Turkey is likely to be much less of a problem than in Europe. Türkiye welcomes residents of Central Asia who are close to it in culture and language. Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. Where the birth rate is still quite high.

[@TheSwedishHistorian]

Sounds like spains situation

[@ermin2248]

Depends on a country. Poland welcomes Ukrainians, Spain and Portugal welcomes Latinos etc.

[@ilyapolishuk5126]

@@TheSwedishHistorian Yes, more or less like that. Which puts the country in a very good position. It does not have to spend on rising and educating kids, but gets ready working and paying taxes migrants.

[@ilyapolishuk5126]

@@ermin2248 I think Ukrainians are a huge gift for the hosting countries. Poland and Germany first of all.

[@captainvanisher988]

They can't offset the below 1.3-1.4 birth rate that native Turks have (aka white Turks). Kurds and Syrian immigrants are the only reason why the population didn't start declining 1-2 decades ago.

[@Mohamed1907forever]

Iran birthrates are declining also

[@nebhalabir1201]

Yes irans birth rate is at around 1.5 also most afghan refugees have a birth rate of around 3.8 of 2024

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

​@@nebhalabir1201 Shāh Mahmūd Hotak must be proud

[@user_18789]

@@ज्योत्स्ना1 afghans are also iranic and we aren't afraid of them Iran is their own country

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

@@user_18789 That is true to an extent, but societal norms and beliefs are more influential factors in determining the overall reaction of a people towards something like mass immigration than ethnicity.

[@JohnJourdan88]

user_18789 There is no such thing as an Afghan. There are disparate ethnic groups and a lot of the ones you’re getting are hazara and Uzbek.

[@anomonyous]

Declining population is not an issue. We never needed this many people in the past. We'll manage. The real issue is making sure your culture, country and people aren't replaced and slowly genocided.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

correct

[@eatinsomtin9984]

It 100% is. If you want to keep your culture and people, then you need a growing population to rival any enemy populations that could hold soft power or be able to invade the country with superior demographics. There has never been a great country in history with shitty demographics or one who has conserved its values and people.

[@williamdavis9562]

@anonmonyous. In modern economic times, there is no economic model which can withstand a population decrease and not collapse on itself. I agree with you so much that culture, the country and people are the most important. I also understand that replace a local population is a horrible thing. But again, no economic used in today's world can survive population decrease without total collapse. So what nations have to figure out is why their people aren't having kids and find ways to remedy the situation. Short of that, all options are the poison pill, including the option you gave.

[@JohnJourdan88]

It’s just a neoliberal fail-safe. ‘Overpopulation…don’t have any kids if you’re European.’ ‘Oh no you aren’t having kids, bring in the third world.’ ‘But what about automation/AI?’

[@codysparks1454]

You are seriously underestimating all of this if you don’t think population decline is an issue. With less and less young people and more and more old people in the future the pension system will collapse in many developed countries (as they rely on a regular influx of new workers). Schools will have to shut down or combine as there will be less and less children being enrolled each year. There will be a gradual but enormous reduction in the amount of young people entering colleges for highly skilled jobs like engineering, the medical field, construction, etc. The elderly population will become a huge burden since there will be very few young people to take care of them. And there will be vast remains of dead cities and ghost towns across many countries. And you are right about making sure cultures aren’t replaced or end up fading away. But that isn’t the real or only issue. It’s one of many issues clumped together with a vast amount of others listed above.

[@seneca983]

5:05 As a minor nitpick, I don't think it can be called "irredentism" if any kind of Kurdistan doesn't exist as an independent country. It's just separatism.

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

there were no Ukrainians like 100-200 years ago, wake up,things change

[@MonsieurDean]

Greeks & Bulgarians: “Don’t mind if we do.”

[@andylu6150]

Hello there Monsieur Z

[@gr1mmd]

they have the same fertility rate as turkey if not lower

[@TheVirtuosoe]

Yes they will catch up in … 600 years? No, probably not

[@Darth_Vader_31]

i dont think greeks would like this as less stable turkey becomes, the less of a bulwark against illegal migrants it becomes, turkey should never have allowed the illegals into the nation but erdogan does everything to stay in power so he welcomed the illegals saying they are "our brothers/sisters in islam" and now around 5/6 million syrians live in turkey, not mentioning the afghans, africans, bengali and other immigrants, and thanks to the security concerns those immigrants bringed with them paired with the economic crisis and erdogans policies the turkish youth are way more worried aboult their future compaired to lets say an italian teen, which would in turn lower the fertility rate as the mindset of "if i can't even take care of myself, how am i going to marry someone and take care of a child" sets in, but my hopes are high for the nation as erdogan's terms are ending in 2028, and with the increased participation from the turkish youth even if erdogan re-runs for the elections he will most likely be ousted from power and more than quarter of a century of AKP tyrany will end

[@islandiareykajik3683]

I'm Whatifalthist and i do not aprove this message.

[@qasimsudad1726]

Why

[@harshjain3122]

He's a massive ottoman supporter and how it will be a superpower. ​@@qasimsudad1726 To me, I mean, it would be the strongest power in all of Middle East and North, Eastern Africa. But way too many equally sized powers around it to try to contain Turkey

[@dazcaz8205]

​@qasimsudad1726 he's joking. There's a youtuber called whatifalthist and he thinks Turkey is going to be the next middle eastern super power

[@DukeofTxtspeak]

Well looks like they're on the clock if they wanna do that.

[@kamikazeblackjack]

Aint this guy is editor for whatalthis

[@JürgenRücker]

I mean, probably didn’t help that Western Europe stole a noticeable amount of educated Turks. Additionally, I recently saw a statistic that about 50% of young Turks between 16 and 29 wanted to leave Turkey for greener pastures (namely Western Europe, the US and Canada) which will likely make these issues even worse both demographically as well as politically. Those going to leave are likely „white Turks“. The whole „the religious will inherit the earth“ probably doesn’t help either. If we look at India, the politics became notably more Hindu-nationalist when the west started stealing every even slightly liberal, westwards thinking Indians from the academic elite for their own economic prosperity. And with no one in the elites left to resist, more extreme nationalists parties have it easy. It’s likely that Turkey going to go a similar path.

[@kalliste23]

Nobody is "stealing" migrants. Countries would be screaming blue murder if they couldn't export their excess population, India especially. Many countries have economies dependent on remittances from their diaspora. The Philippines has a government department dedicated to exporting workers and migrants.

[@MyPrideFlag]

Funny how you put an equal sign between liberal and educated.

[@JohnJourdan88]

I predict in the next 10-15 years will be a huge remigration back to their countries. 7 million Turks in central Europe will be needed in Istanbul to maintain the Turk majority.

[@PowerSimplified1871]

​@@JohnJourdan88 Why do you always say the most bigoted thing ever?

[@baha3alshamari152]

Turkey is hosting 7 millions refugees (the biggest in the world) so they won't have to worry about an aging population problem

[@bingchilling09]

can you make a vide about the demographics of rroma in the balkans especially romania and bulgaria? Some people here in romania say that htey would become a majority because of their higher birthrates

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

But don't they die mostly in childhood?

[@bingchilling09]

@@constantinethecataphract5949 infant mortality has decreased by a lot even in rroma communities

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

@@bingchilling09 Sad. I know they are also the vast majority of abortions in Greece as well.

[@Lisa-zi6hb]

@@bingchilling09I can’t speak for every country but in my country Roma mortality is at 50s unfortunately Roma face discrimination till this day and unless it becomes normal to get education and free healthcare I don’t see this situation changing soon

[@crsx1861]

You should do a video about Hungary’s demographics. That would be a banger

[@williamdavis9562]

That would be like making a movie where everyone knows the ending.

[@rmys_yrn]

Nationalism and Turkism are increasing due to the Nonstop increasing immigrant population. WE NEED TO send them If we want a better Turkiye or else It will be too late because there won't be a place called Turkiye.. #türkiyetürklerindir

[@ll-eb2rt]

Kurdistan is a better name than a chicken 🐔

[@rmys_yrn]

@@ll-eb2rt I would choose chicken over something that doesn't exist bro

[@baha3alshamari152]

According to international law refugees have the right to settle in the first safe country AKA Turkey since they have border with Syria and Iraq Deporting them violates international and European laws

[@Zartzurt-b5x]

@@baha3alshamari152Only minority of immigrants are from syria and iraq and on top of that, iraq have no internal war and syrian civil war pretty much in a status quo, as countries like lebanon are sending their syrian immigrants back.

[@systemreset9410]

8:18 istanbul isnt the capital dude

[@thebronywiking]

He said that Istanbul is the city in Turkey with the largest Kurdish population, not that it is the capital.

[@realityisenough]

Constantinople is

[@Sonilotos]

​@@realityisenough"Istanbul" is just the term the Turks heard the Greeks of the area used to refer to Constantinople, translating to basically "to the city". It's important to keep this in mind before complaining about the name.

[@accomenter]

He just said it has most kurds, he didn't say it was the capital.

[@BOZ_11]

@@accomenter The video was later edited. He says so

[@radasfck]

Mountain Czechs😂

[@j.vdubois5074]

President of Czechoslovakia Edvard Beneš of Czech nationality - who was behind expulsion of Germans after WW2 - had this to say about Slovaks: "You will never get me to recognise the Slovak nation. It is my scientific conviction, which I will not change...I hold unwaveringly the opinion that the Slovaks are Czechs and that the Slovak language is only one of the dialects of the Czech language, as is the case with Hanáčtina or other dialects of the Czech language. I do not prevent anyone from calling himself a Slovak, but I will not allow it to be said that there is a Slovak nation...'" So it may sound stupid now, but not back then.

[@mmz5844]

What we have for dinner? Mountain turkey 🦃 😂😂😂

[@habbomanish]

@@j.vdubois5074 did the czechs hold more power in the czechoslovakian nation?

[@pb_8206]

@@habbomanish yes almost all till 1968.

[@habbomanish]

@@pb_8206 How come?

[@alperenbaytimur]

bro if this goes on, I will just marry a kurdish lady and just go for it, because not only does the economy not help with this situation, but the unwillingness of Turkish women for motherhood is another issue, like what do you not like about kids, they are litterally small versions of you, who wouldnt want that

[@Samsonig]

they are most of the time annoying

[@Viyoke]

What make you believe a Kurdish woman would want a non Kurdish man ?

[@alperenbaytimur]

@@Viyoke they aint racist thats why

[@tanura5830]

​@@ViyokeMy cousin married Kurdish it's very common

[@revankasm6604]

@@tanura5830maybe in western turkey. Definitely not in east turkey

[@ustaclu8797]

The birth rate of Kurds has also started to decrease rapidly. Their rate in the population will probably increase from 15-8% to 20-25% and then stop. Ethnic Turks reproduce at 1.3, Kurds at 2.5, Arabs at 5-6. The fastest growing population in the future will be Arabs. Of course, if we manage to send them back, we will largely get rid of this problem, but it is a difficult task. The economic crisis is also effective in the decline in Turkey's birth rates. Unlike the West, the sudden decline was accelerated after the collapse, not economic development. I hope that if we get out of the economic bottleneck, the ethnic Turkish birth rate will increase again.

[@jasser6470]

I am skeptical that the rural Kurdish demography will get worse than the Turkish one, considering how rural eastern Anatolia is.

[@JohnJourdan88]

You could recall the 7 million Turks in Western Europe.

[@StalkerX426]

the problem is we have islamic half-dictator in our country and his party is strong and manipulative. also our people is always dividing to 2 for smallest things happening in country.

[@williamdavis9562]

@@jasser6470 You're absolutely right, I fail to see a situation in which rural people in Kurdish villages have less children than the urbanized Turks. But it isn't out of the realm of possibility that their birthrate numbers are also dropping to a point where they only hold a slight advantage in birthrate. I do see both parties increasing their birthrates if the ruling elite can somehow increase the purchasing power of the average worker. (tall task I know) I don't think we're going to see the irreversible demographic collapse there we've seen in Europe. Mainly due to religious factors.

[@williamdavis9562]

@@JohnJourdan88 They'll mostly leave on their own not too long from now when Europe collapses under it's own weight. That isn't really the question, the question is where ethnic Europeans are going to try to migrate to.

[@enlightenedKaraboga]

You said that the meiji restoration was far bigger and more successful than Atatürks reforms, which is ridiculous. The element of religion is what makes Atatürks feat absolutely incomparable and far more impressive than that of the Japanese. Japan went from a traditionalist monarchy to an industrialized monarchy. Turkey went from an islamic caliphate with sharia law, completely agrarian economy and medieval society to an egalitarian laicistic democratic republic with a modern industrial economy integrated into the global market and extremely high literacy for both genders. Turkey went from one end of the ideological spectrum to the other, it's like if the papal state became an atheist communist technocracy

[@FaraStiriRO]

What a downfall. I mean, it’s impressive, but I don’t think that it’s a good thing.

[@almond5560]

Japanese reforms stayed and even continued, whereas Turkey started reverting and hasn't stopped since Menderes. The immediate impact of Atatürk's reform was arguably stronger, but they were not realistic, since they didn't take into account how the population will respond it. He also never had a real plan as to how to democratize the country; he was just in love with the ideals of democracy. In the end, all it resulted was in unhealthy expectations from the state from all sectors of society, and the subsequent populism facilitated by these attitudes.

[@sapphyrus]

Japan could progress without as much problem due to not living near oil-rich sheikhs pumping religious propaganda under protection from their superpower masters, not to mention an entirely uniform ethnic composition of about 99% Japanese.

[@yenilikci5682]

@@FaraStiriRO Was a great thing actually.

[@sarahs.thorpe857]

No. Japan is more impressive and is also just civilizationally superior

[@prembagui7104]

India exhibits similar fertility rate disparities, with the highest and lowest fertility rates found in neighboring states, which are Bihar and sikkim respectively.I think fertility Rate will spike if cryopreservation of Eggs and IVF becomes more accessible

[@that_nikhil_gupta1796]

Well said brother..

[@Banditxam5]

Yeah...

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

Not to mention, Biharis are ethnically and racially different from the Sikkimese people. Now I understand why Bhutan resisted merging with India, even though they did so by committing some [censored] acts back in the 1990s.

[@JohnJourdan88]

The fertility science fiction will never become a reality. A few wealthy careerists will never translate to millions annually.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

​@@JohnJourdan88 If left to individuals yes but if it's a government controlled Eugenics

[@leonardoleo5740]

Also, we should quote @WhatIfAlthist for every time saying that Turkey will be a superpower. How in the fuck can a country with this terrible demographics be a great power?

[@skeletalforce9673]

thing is, almost all relatively developed countries will be demographically fucked this century

[@Dicka899]

all the superpowers have fucked demographics

[@JohnJourdan88]

This is the Peter Zeihan-ist effect. These fake population numbers like Africa (which has zero reliability to be verified) are used as a frame of reference based on a projection to also somehow become a superpower. Nigeria will never become one for obvious reasons and won’t even remain intact because of tribalism.

[@JohnJourdan88]

Will never happen. Every country will struggle to maintain what it already has this era because of demographics.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

WhatifAlthist think he knows more than what he actually knows.

[@ormancadam6453]

Wow he spoke like a true champ. In turkiye this subject is known but never talked about in order to avoid conflicts...but in turkey there is a class system for sure.

[@trireme5276]

Beyaz Türk terimi 30 yıl önce muhafazakarlara yaranmaya çalışan liberal yazarların, ezelden beri her millette bulunan "fakir-zengin" ayrımını sığlaştırarak "muhafazakar-seküler" eksenine çekmeye çalışıp mağduriyet kasmak kullandıkları bir uydurmadan ibaret. Amerika'daki beyaz-siyah ayrımını Türkiye'ye uyarlamaya çalıştılar, abd'deki ayrımcılığın yüzyıllardır süren kölelik, gettolar, eyalet yasakları gibi derin kökleri var halbuki. Burada babası üni mezunu olan hemen beyaz Türk yaftası yiyor ama. Beyaz Türk gibi bir şeyin safsata olduğu kimsenin "ben beyaz türküm" dememesinden anlaşılır zaten. Tabii bizim siyasetçilerimiz durur mu yine de suyu çıkana kadar kullandı bu terimi biz en siyahız kapkarayız çok ezildik diyerek. Cahil batılılardan sempati toplamak da kolay konuyu siyah-beyaz ayrımcılığına indirgeyip sempati toplamak adamların kırmızı çizgisi ırkçılık çünkü. Bu şekilde bu terim İngilizce basına da yansımış buradaki gavur KZbinr kardeşimiz internetten görmüş yapıştırmış videoya "white turk black turk" diye tabii. Bu terimi ortaya atan Nilüfer Göle şu an Fransa'da yaşıyor bu arada, "beyaz Türk" diye yaftaladığı insanlardan daha kalburüstü bir yaşam sürüyor.

[@Machine_e]

​@@trireme5276Erdoğan bu terimi kullanmıştı diye hatırlıyorum bir mitinginde.2014te ya da 2017 olması lazım

[@marmarakazm7907]

This is the best video I've seen about Turkey's demographics. It was so good that it pushed me to write something about it. Just as not everyone living in Eastern Turkey is Kurdish, not everyone living in the developed metropolitan regions of Turkey is Turkish either. Nearly half of the Kurdish population lives in the mentioned developed western regions. As it is said in the video, there are 2 million Kurds (and i believe they're more than 2 million) in Istanbul alone. So, while the TFR of the Turks is the same as the Japanese, the TFR of the Kurds is most likely a little bit below 2.1. The part missed in the video is: The migrations to Turkey in the last 10 years, the fact that these migrations will continue to increase, and the high birth rates of these immigrants (almost 5 children per woman). Based on this, it can be predicted that in the next 50 years, Turkey will turn into an ideal(!) multicultural country where no single ethnic group will form the majority (%50+). It is clear that the indigenous ethnic groups in Turkey (Turks, Kurds, Zazas, Laz, Circassians etc.) will become minorities. The possible consequences of such a major demographic change (increasing crime rates, socio-cultural change, political instability, potential civil war, etc.) make me terrified as a Turk living in Turkey. I am quite sure that in the long run, an extremely bad fate awaits us. This country will either collapse like the Ottoman Empire, or it will accept its multiculturalism and become a kind of Anatolian Confederation where many different ethnic groups are forced to live together, like Pakistan. And eventually it will be like Pakistan. In any case, i believe a very uncertain and gloomy future awaits people in Turkey.

[@deaththekid3998]

There is no Arab country that still has a tfr of 5. Is Turkey getting immigrants from Somalia?

[@PowerSimplified1871]

When was Turkey NOT multicultural?

[@miastupid7911]

@@PowerSimplified1871 when it wasn't Turkey.

[@yesimkirdar0224]

@@deaththekid3998 Yes. From Somalia, and recently also from Rwanda. And I believe the Syrians are born pregnant.

[@siregg8528]

I suppose Turkey went all the way back around then. From diverse to homogeneous to diverse again (but diverse in a different way)

[@stackk.113]

@kaiserbauch9092 In terms of demographic disparities Nigeria is most prominent: Christian south has around 2 point fertility rate while nothern muslim part around 7-8. Edit: My bad. Lagos has around 3.4 fertility rate which is the lowest and 7.3 in Katsina, which is still high difference.

[@juan-ko5hz]

The south should really fight for independence

[@JohnJourdan88]

There is no verifiable information on anything in sub Saharan Africa.

[@JohnJourdan88]

That’s not true. It’s like 5 per region.

[@PeruvianPotato]

​@@juan-ko5hzThey did but they lost unfortunately

[@SvetlanaDurana69]

Thank you so much for your video, I was waiting for it 🙏🏻 It's very accurate. Economical crisis is also a factor of demographic decline

[@teomans28]

As turk which born in Istanbul I liked the way your comments about Turkey. They seem neutral and realistic unlike many western videos. They are generaly show turkey more islamic or turkish goverment more racist towards minorities. But I need to mention that if you are talking to demographics of turkey you should have spoke more about immigration in the last decade which is one of the biggests if not the biggest problem of modern turkey facing. Other than that good content

[@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg]

Turkey as a whole has a fertility rate of 1.51 while Kurds in Turkey have a fertility rate of more than 3 (not counting the many Afghans and Arabs that Erdogan has let into the country which have a high fertility rate as well). Which means that ethnic Turks must have an extremely low fertility rate.

[@nevrhasa85]

Turkey doesnt have 4 million of immigrants... Its way past 15 million... Some have been made turkish citizen already just because they can vote... So what you see is not an exact increase population in Kurdish regions, its increase population of immigrants...

[@hamlet557]

Now that Lausanne expired, you will prosper.

[@shadowsofsunsow3657]

​@@hamlet557 peace agreemants dont expire until a new war starts. Turkey hasnt declared any conventional war against any state since 1923

[@hamlet557]

@@shadowsofsunsow3657 43% of graduate Turks are sure that Lausanne has expiry date. Who am I to argue with the Turks? They know better. Argue with them and their pride if you dare. Ne multu turkum diyene and the rest.

[@shadowsofsunsow3657]

​@@hamlet557 %90 also blieve a magical sky dady exists but i dont care about what useless crowds say

[@erhansahin5055]

Rent and population same, 30 million only istanbul so you live 5-10 people in a house 5 man in a 15 m2 room . 30 K rent . Or more central and 120 m2 which is a little bigger . 1 lt drinking water is 1 dollars hamburger is 5 dollars .after these you will have 100 dollars and nothing if you give money to rent of the house :)) immigrants will die trying to pass border from land or sea they may easily shoot outside our borders the other nations . We are sorry for immigrants will die here from starving because economic reasons

[@b26s]

I would like to point out some shortcomings and mistakes in the video. 1- No one ever called Kurds mountain Turks. This is a myth and a well-known mistake. 2-Turkey's westernisation started in the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was an empire that ruled for 600 years and in its last 200 years, westernisation moves took place. All of the reforms made when the Republic was proclaimed had their roots in the last 200 years of the Ottoman Empire, or at least they were planned to be made. The Republic preferred to make this process faster than the Ottoman Empire. 3- The Black Turks, who are rural, less educated and poorer are more conservative than the White Turks, who are urban, educated and wealthy, but Black Turks are more modern but than most Muslim societies. For example, not counting the small number of extremists, the average conservative black Turk is as conservative as the average Georgian or Armenian conservative. There are certain reasons for this. Firstly, it cannot be said that the republican revolutions did not affect the Black Turks. Secondly, the Turks actually do not have enough theoretical knowledge about Islam. This may sound surprising, but it is a fact. Islam and Judaism, unlike Christianity, contain many rules. Islam, whose language of worship is still Arabic, is more difficult to influence non-Arabic-speaking nations such as the Turks than Arabic-speaking Muslims. This is akin to the Catholic population in the Middle Ages, who did not know Latin, worshipping in Latin. One more piece of information is that the language we call Arabic today is actually Modern Standard Arabic. And this dialect of Arabic is nobody's mother tongue. Today, people in Arab countries speak their local dialects in normal life and learn Modern Standard Arabic at school. Modern Standard Arabic is the language of education, law and media. It is not the language of daily life. Local dialects of Arabic may even be as different from each other as Italian and Spanish. In this respect, modern standard Arabic is similar to Latin. Lastly I can say that when each culture accepts a new religion, it accepts that religion by adapting it to its own culture. Traces of Turkic shamanism and Anatolian paganism can be seen in the Turks. Just like in every society. In the 7th century the Islamisation of the Turks began and was completed in the 10th century, but according to the writings of travellers, until the 15th century, although the mass of the Turks called themselves Muslims, in fact their lives were dominated by pagan elements. After the 15th century, when the Turks became the leaders of the Muslims, this situation began to change. But as I have already written, the influence of ancient traditions has not been completely broken.

[@theperfectionist1607]

Kurds were indeed called mountain Turks. They said the word Kürt came from the sound when stepping on snow, it would make a “kart kürt” sound and therefore the word kürt was used to describe mountain Turks. This obviously ridiculous and offensive/discriminatory.

[@b26s]

@@theperfectionist1607 The real story was about what happened to the Turks in the Kurdish-majority areas. This event has been distorted and turned into what you have described, but that narrative is not true.

[@metincengel1406]

Kurdistan does not exist on the world map? You mean Kurdistan in France and Kurdistan in Germany

[@hamlet557]

101 years ago, turkey didn't exist on the world map either.

[@hamlet557]

@Sn.rv14 Ottomans weren't only turkish. So..

[@hamlet557]

@Sn.rv14 ok, "end of history" :)

[@atacanmadrali9385]

@@hamlet557 funny...Osman is the name of the guy who founded it. Guess what language they were speaking :) You may say language is not the only determinator but even all Europeans back then new that it was a Turkish Empire. Check the books. And also I would recommend you to listen to Mozart's Turkish March, not the Ottoman March..!

[@hamlet557]

@@atacanmadrali9385 And guess what Turks were considered during Ottoman empire: exactly how you look at Kurds now. And you know exactly what I mean. Times change...

[@RealityCheck6969]

Fertility decrease is because of heavy industrialism, urbanism and women's rights/freedoms (to work, to vote, to own property and get governmental aid after children) . Simple as that.

[@edjohnson8017]

Its far from Simple when you take a deep dive into it.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

More or less, probably the biggest factor is female education and them turning from conservative to progressive like it already happened. In the past men were the progressive ones now this has shifted.

[@tamerofhorses2200]

@@edjohnson8017 It is actually very simple when you take a deep dive into it, it's only the midwits who try to make it sound complex.

[@edjohnson8017]

@@tamerofhorses2200much better then the halfwits who take such a simplistic approach to complex issues. Like Thailand far more rural and less educated then the United States yet has a third less births.

[@orboakin8074]

Not really. Israel has all these and still has increased birth rates 😂 It's economics and cultural stuff too.

[@man58652]

3:45 you want a country with a bigger disparity in terms of fertility rate?? INDIA is the answer! For example there are whole states like Bihar who have more than 4 and other states like Himachal, Punjab, Delhi who have less than 2. The worst thing: the better looking one have less kids 😂

[@prohacker5086]

As a Turk, I can say that this was well made

[@fen8234]

I miss the old Turks. Sad to see we have less children 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷💪

[@DonKrieg-382]

Thank westernization

[@askosefamerve]

​@@DonKrieg-382 No, i would thank crazy level of inflation. Most Turks would still have children as the poor, unedcuted population don't use contraception while the educated, rich people would have children if inflation was lower. Before the economic crisis the birt rate went in 1.5-2, now it's crashing to below 1.

[@DonKrieg-382]

@@askosefamerve west promotes not having kids tho and the poor areas are the ones with more kids

[@askosefamerve]

@@DonKrieg-382 Every province is losing birth rates. It isn't extreme modernasation, we are still developing and our birth rate wouldn't fall this dramatically if our current station wasn't too bad. The goverment wants more marriages and births while teens and young adults can barely afford their lives in collage, they can't find work and marrying + buying and decorting a house is impossible. They can't have children like this.

[@DonKrieg-382]

@@askosefamerve its westernization, according to that logic the population of native germans and brits is rising and the population of native africans or indians in africa or india respectively is declining

[@nixcurpick4708]

Thanks for shedding a light on this concept in Turkey, as a Turk myself I am happy to see creators like you making objective documentary videos about Turkey, as there is usually a lot of turkophobic ones...

[@MyPrideFlag]

That's because entire southern and orthodox Europe hates Turkey for historical reasons, western countries are sometimes mad that Turkish diaspora is so big. He is Czech, western slavs don't really have a reason to dislike Turkey.

[@jurassicthunder]

rightly so lol

[@williamdavis9562]

@nixcurpick4708 Turkophobia is dying out.

[@HuraRas]

Cant complain about Turkophobia when turkish in general(even the non nationalist ones) Extremely Xenophobic.Arab hate,Kurd hate,hating Armenians,Syrians,Greeks even sometimes people like Mongols(LOL) that are related almost identical to the turkic culture and language.There are even cases where nationalist will call a ethnic turk like a kazak or tatar Mongol(As an insult).Quite weird for people who whine about ''Turkophobia''.Understandable if the video maker is an armenian-Greek or something.But in general even iranian kurds reception to turks isn't turkophobic* as you say here is an example:kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHaUh2iImZasna8 Most of the time people cry Turk/Greek/Kurd/German/Arab --Phobia when they encounter counter arguments or when they see something they nationaly/Religiously/Politically dont like.But like I said there are real examples to this.Like Arabs hating kurds/turks...turks hating kurds/armenians/persians/arabs or vice versa.Kurds hating arabs/turks/armenians or even turks hating other turks / kurds hating other kurds saying saying they arent ''Real'' turks ''real'' kurds and so on and so forth.All this jazz to be honest despite all ethnic and linguistic diversity in places like Turkey/Syria or even India If you actually research this matters.There is more division because of religion or even sects of religion and Politics/Political parties compared to let's say language or ethnicity.Of course there are exceptions to this.Apologies for the essay.

[@TheAlanFFM]

Ever since finding your Israel episode I've been obsessed with your channel. Keep it up.

[@ugurcanuzun]

3:28 "Within one country there are provinces with demografic profiles as different as those of Iraq and Italy" No truer words have been spoken about Turkey. Yes this is a very clear summary of what Turkey is. The video seems nice in general but it does lack the other demographic aspect of comtemporary Turkey, which is the Immigrants and Refugees. The overall picture you get will be very different when you take account all the syrians, afghans, nigerians, bangladeshis etc in Turkey. Turkey nonsensically resembles western europe in that regard. Mass immigration causing rents to soar, leading to unemployment, causing irreversible changes to our society and demography etc. Greetings from Thrace, Turkey

[@zobek5796]

great video but the capital isn't istanbul it's ankara

[@TheFalseShepphard]

Ankara isnt a real place

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

@@TheFalseShepphard So what is it? Celtic Galatia?

[@Sonilotos]

​@@TheFalseShepphardGuess my relatives live in the void, then 🤷‍♂️

[@williamdavis9562]

@@TheFalseShepphard So you're saying I visited a place in the void regions that don't really exist last year? Wow, gotta tell my wife that our trip must have been a sci-fi experience.

[@BOZ_11]

@@TheFalseShepphard go to your white nationalist forum, not youtube

[@seriousstuff7059]

Few things I like to mention as a Turk & a political scientist; 1) Most of the Kurds are conservative & loyal to the Turkish state, and leftist Marxist t3rr0r!sts separatist groups are in the minority. Even in Southeastern Anatolia, Kurds make up somewhere between a significant minority and a slight majority. Separatism has been pushed outside of the Turkish borders thanks to new drones & technologies which makes policing the rugged Southeastern Anatolia easier than ever in history. HDP has been losing popularity ever since they broke-away with Erdogan, and they cannot even meet the 10% threshold to enter parliament without support from the extreme left. With urbanization, advancing military technology, and nationalist upheaval in the youth, I see Kurds only assimilating further into modern Turkish society, especially since historically separatist t3rr0r!st organizations k!ll3d more Kurds (who were loyal & even served in the Turkish military) more than they k!ll3d Turks. 2) The biggest demographic issue in Türkiye currently is the refugee issue. While Erdogan's anti-Turkish & pro-Arab politics had been traumatic for the country, it also led to the biggest rise of Turkish Nationalism (since the Turkish War of Independence & times of Atatürk) among the young population. Despite Erdogan's pro-Arab policies, somewhere between 70-80% of the Turkish population (including Kurds) are against Arab refugees, they demand the deportation of every refugee from the country & revoking of citizenships that have been handed out. It is very likely that after the end of Erdogan's Era, mass deportations could begin, easing the economic stress on Turks as well. 3) Many politicians have been discussing the idea of bringing other Turkic peoples from Ukraine, Russia, and China to Türkiye to fix demographics. Considering we Turks ourselves are descendants of the same people who migrated from today's Russia & China, and considering both Russia & China are nuclear powers and it is impossible to liberate Turkic populated areas there, it makes sense to fix declining Turkish demographics by bringing in Tatars, Uyghurs, Sakhas (Yakuts), Chuvash & many more from foreign lands. 4) Low birthrates are also the result of economic stresses Erdogan's governance brings, coupled with the refugee crisis which even brings more stress. It is highly possible for birthrates to rise again with economic recovery that would come after Erdogan.

[@seriousstuff7059]

@tekinfomedi Anytime! I got my Political Science expertise from a Western University and saw how Western analysis of Türkiye might be missing or misleading due to over-generalizations and over-looking of a few key factors (which might seem irrelevant from a Western point-of-view but means a lot to Turks) I always like to bring my own insight in. For possible Turkic migration, I would like to add that Turkic migrants from Central Asia & non-Turkic Muslim migrants from the Balkans (such as Pomaks, Albanians, and Bosnians) have historically been successful and integrated well. Non-Turkic Muslim migrants from the Balkans basically integrated and assimilated in 2nd generation (some 3rd), mostly due to them carrying Ottoman Turkish legacy in their cultures, even the ones who came as late as the collapse of Communist regimes & Yugoslav Wars. Other Turkic peoples also migrated into Türkiye in recent history, the most significant of them being Crimean Tatars fleeing Soviet oppression, and they were able to integrate even from the 1st generation. An example of this could be the village of Ulupamir in Southeastern Anatolia, built and settled by Kyrgyz migrants (who are one of the more distant Turkic groups to Anatolian Turks in terms of history & geography), yet they were a bulwark against the PKK t3rr0r!sm in the region even during the height of the crisis in the '90s, greatly aiding militarily & stabilizing the region. The historic success of Turkic migrants & examples such as these make them a reliable source of population in the future. Finally, when it comes to the term "liberation" and its comparison between territories under Russian+Chinese control with Anatolia I believe 2 things matter the most; history & demography. Historically; Anatolia has been under Turkish control for almost 1000 years right now. This control was eventually solidified with the victory in the Turkish War of Independence, which was a war waged by Europeans against Turks with the goal of "kicking Turks back to Anatolia" (according to the quotes of then British Prime Minister David Llyod), in which Europeans lost, and admitted Turkish control in the region with the Treaty of Lausanne (in which there are specific clauses that say there will never be a 'kurd!stan' or Armenia inside Anatolia, signed by basically every major world power which makes up the international community today). In comparison, Turkic territories still remaining in Russia & China were still independent 300 years before now. Demographically; Anatolia has been and still is majority Turkish. Central Anatolia & Parts of Eastern Anatolia became majority Turkish right after the first conquest of the region, followed by the Meditteranean & Black Sea regions of Anatolia sometime after. Parts of Southeastern Anatolia only lost its majority Turkish status in 1500s (when Shia Turks migrated to Persia and Sunni Kurds migrated to the Ottoman Empire during the Ottoman-Safavid Wars) which is mostly regained in the Republican Era. Western Anatolia, Eastern Thrace, and the entirety of Eastern Anatolia were majority Turkish by the 2nd half of the Ottoman Era (excluding some villages & minor towns). In comparison, in the Turkic territories of today's Russia and China, Turkic peoples still make up the majority of the population, having their own autonomous states & republics inside those countries (even if it is only symbolic without actual control in some). These are the reasons why I believe the term "liberate" carries a different context. Saying "liberate Anatolia" would carry the same meaning as saying "liberate America" (from modern Americans). However, I already mentioned that there is no realistic possibility today for Turkic regions in Russia or China to gain any independence especially considering both countries are nuclear powers. I hope this clears what I'm trying to say in my earlier comment.

[@yalcnbey5834]

@@seriousstuff7059 , being a very nationalistic Turk myself, I consider the word "liberate" to be aggressive and unnecessary. Turkic states have enough land and resources for their populations, anything more would be unworthy of a major war. Could you give any examples of how Westerners analyze Turkish issues? I have a general idea that I obtained from social media, but I have no data concerning their academia. Is their academia as clueless as their media and man in the street?

[@seriousstuff7059]

@@yalcnbey5834 In my previous comment I already explained it would be unrealistic to wage war for the liberation of Turkic lands under Russian & Chinese rule, and basically explained in detail that I use the term "liberate" because those regions are still majority Turkic, and have their own autonomies (sometimes only in paper). When it comes to Westerners' outlook, I can say it is very narrow, and they try to fit everything into their own "black or white" perspective. Their politics are more shallow than ours, and their histories are far less simple, remaining on the same geography for thousands of years. So, they have a hard time properly understanding a civilization such as us Turks, since our politics and history are more intricate, consisting of a vast web of empires, historical figures, and political ideas. Few examples; 1) We Turks usually see history from a national point of view, where we see our previous wars with Europe as fighting for Turkishness & Turkish Empire. Meanwhile, Europeans see them from a religious perspective and define them as religious wars. European identity is more defined by religion, while Turkish identity is more defined by ethnicity and common history. 2) We Turks see ourselves as a member of a vast family all across Eurasia, we bond over national heritage and common history, regardless of land. Meanwhile, Europeans define themselves based on the land they occupy. So it is difficult for them to understand that as people, we are closer to other Turkic peoples who're almost halfway across the world than we are to nearby Arabs or Persians. 3) Us Turks have almost always been an ambitious people in history, which we define as "red apple". 2000 years ago it was domination over the Chinese, 1000 years ago it was domination over Europe, 500 years ago it was domination over the known world, 100 years ago it was independence and victory at all cost, and today it is to become one of the most powerful nations in the world. We have always been a people who strived to be better, who always chased innovation, and during the times we fell like every empire did; we made it our priority to get back up on our feet and catch up. In every age, and every empire, this had been our cycle. Meanwhile, European civilizations do not have the same mentality. They are usually more content where they are, some have short periods of greatness when pushed to limits, followed by continued slump. Average Turk is usually concerned about the future or whether its own state is strong enough to protect him/her from outsiders. Meanwhile, the average European is more concerned about "taxes & retirements". 4) The final example I can give, they don't understand our thought processes. For example, they are quick to define Erdogan as a "nationalist" because he reminds them of "traditionalist nationalist strong-man figures" in their own history, meanwhile defining Atatürk as "progressive and left-leaning" just because he passed reforms. However us Turks know it is the opposite; Atatürk is the real nationalist figure, passing down reforms to ensure that Türkiye would catch up to be as strong as the European Imperial Powers, keeping Turkish identity above all. While Erdogan is the embodiment of an anti-nationalist, disregarding Turkish people's needs for his own personal gains and intentionally importing illegal Arabs in to ruin our demographics. These are some of the most common misconceptions I see when I read Western analysis.

[@barsyelken2518]

How about increasing unrest and sepratist kurdish riots? I found your comment rather optimistic. Erdooğan is trying to bring PKK terrorist leader abdullah öcalan or apo for short to state concil. From the looks of it Turkish identity, Ataturk's values and future improvements are in danger of extinction. Not to mention that supposedly Kemalist party CHP (wich was the first political party that founded by Atatürk himself) now leans into the idea of kurdish sepratism even working together with erdoğan. Sadly i think future is going to be grim for patriotic Turks and Kurds.

[@Ronesans-sp5np]

As a very western Turk (from Bodrum - 15 mins from greek Islands) I moved to Poland, I had no chance of dreaming about continuing my bloodline in Turkey with its current socioeconomic structure. But in Poland I started to think it could be possible. I lived in many big cities and small places in Turkey before. By no means I am an expert, but as a person like you who is deeply interested in subject, I'd like to help if you need any help about the Turkish case.

[@kubilaybalci5724]

Thats bs cuz Turks in Europe also rarely have families, the issue is religious vs secular. Go talk to most (secular) Turks and their main reason is not muh finances but they dislike secular women but cope extremely hard about it to not "seem pro-Islamic"

[@flea1985]

As almost 40 yo polish man ist still new for me that people form other countries would like to move here. In '90 most countries didint event let poles to work in thier country legally in '00 most who could went obroad thanks to shengen, and now other nations want live here. Sure Poland improve itself in last 30 years a lot but is thre really that defferent than Turkey? When I see people going holidays there I dont hear opinions that theres some kind of big difference on development or standards. Hope You like it here mate, cheers.

[@sebsebski2829]

Why Poland but not the Germany?

[@irksomecodger9667]

@@sebsebski2829 He probably moved as a student. Its much cheaper to study in Poland than Germany.

[@weetbix4497]

​@@flea1985I'm not Turkish (South African) and Poland just seems much safer and more stable than countries like Turkey or France. My friend travelled to Poland once, and I was astonished to hear from him that people just walk home from a bar/other person's house in the middle of the night. If you do that here, you're suicidal. But maybe it depends on where you are in Poland, and maybe the relative prosperity of Poland is exaggerated. I guess you would know much more about this.

[@michael1001t]

Getting rich means less children, all around the world is the same . Once women have financial power means less children. Those who say they cannot have children because of lack of money they are totally wrong. Even Africans going to get rich consequently have less children. Financial power is becoming a curse for society. Richer countries have more family problems.

[@mikiandfriends1820]

Richer also means older. 30 is not new 20

[@maksimfedoryak]

​@@mikiandfriends1820If i remember correctly, papers show that average person is becoming older with slower rate, than in 20th century. Approx on 1.5 years slower per 10 years, so modern 60 yr old is like 50 yr old 50 years ago. Same with 30 - modern 30s are new 25/26s🌝👈

[@matheuss886]

This is happening all over the world. Here in Brazil up until the 90s couples really used to have the culture of having 3 to 6 children each. I'm one of the four children (three now since my brother is now deceased) in my family. My sisters are now approaching 40 and only one of them has a child. Telenovelas and too much internet culture + societal issues that became a thing due to Western influence are quickly reshaping the demographic landscape.

[@nebhalabir1201]

Are there germanic mennonites in brazil, like there is in paraguay and bolivia? They could help out demographically

[@ज्योत्स्ना1]

​@@nebhalabir1201 yes there are

[@8thdayadventist911]

Turkey demographics are fine. They just move to Europe😂

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

Least sympathetic country to have a low population growth.

[@williamdavis9562]

That trend is going to slow down considering Europe is slowly collapsing. Not too long from now forget people wanting to go there, you're going to have Europeans trying to get out. Essentially the only people you have going over there now are people who have zero clue about the world with no idea where Europe is headed and how hard their children's lives are going to be in Europe in 40 years.

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

@@williamdavis9562 what do you mean? Do you think my historical enemies: African Americans are going to conquer Europe?

[@JohnJourdan88]

williamdavis9562 Hi ‘William’ (ataturk), how’s the weather in Antalya?

[@AriB97-ue6gt]

Honestly, Ethnic Turks arent migrating in large Numbers to Europe. The migration from Turkey is mostly composed und of Kurds, like in Germany where 85% of turkish asylum seekers are Kurds

[@omerugurlu3403]

As a Turk I have to note that while “white Turks” is a highly popular term here, I have never heard the expression “Black Turks” in my life before.

[@R2d2..]

I have never heard either

[@firstnamelastname4249]

Karaboga

[@SelmaErdal]

Neden duymadınız?... RTE ilk kez seçilirken "Biz bu ülkenin zencisiyiz" demişti.

[@omerugurlu3403]

@@SelmaErdal Bu şekilde ifade edilince tanıdık geldi, ilk defa seçildiğinde 4 yaşındaydım belki o yüzden gözden kaçırmışımdır. Elbette takdir edersiniz ki “Beyaz Türk” ifadesi kadar yaygın kullanılmıyor. :)

[@Balaban_Reis]

Göktürkçe'de dahi mevcutmuş: "kara budun"

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

I think Erdogan is trying to transform the Turkish identity into essentially a pan Islamic identity. If you are muslim and integrate and learn the language you can become a "Turk" Turkish geneology was already Brazil tier so this isn't surprising that they would go for a strategy like that.

[@komisossoutsidi5801]

Yeah except I don't think the people living in the Western Turkish cities are going to appreciate their new neighbors even if they both are Muslim.

[@kubilaybalci5724]

@@komisossoutsidi5801 100 years ago even the Atheist Kemalist types kicked out non-Muslim ethnic Turks for Muslim Balkan folk. The Turkish state doesn't care.

[@Hasanaljadid]

But Most Kurds don’t support him

[@irksomecodger9667]

Spot on. He’s trying to turn the country into a Sunni Iran. Just like Persia became Iran, he wants to turn Turkey into Anatolia. Islamists correctly identified the Turkish national identity and the high level of nationalism as an obstacle to their dream of Islamic state and have been trying to transform the country accordingly ever since. That’s the prime reason why he wants to import Arabs into the country en masse. Because while they were trying to transform the country, his core supporters changed as well. They are now better educated, wealthier and are accustomed to the freedoms of a secular state. So their support of Shaira and an Islamic revolution is in a freefall so he needs to inject fresh blood. Things will turn bloody though, you heard it from me first.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

@@Hasanaljadid they will import everyone else that will.

[@baraka629]

Modernity is an evolutionary dead end

[@doctorshawzy6477]

correct

[@remc0s]

Don't worry. We'll send some from the Netherlands. We have too many of them anyway.

[@Narekz]

On paper there are 2 million Turks in Germany. In reality, there are 8 million Turks. 6 million have German citizenship

[@SelmaErdal]

Not everyone coming from Turkey is Turkish, most of you are Kurdish.

[@bssmed7720]

But they are not mostly Turkish,

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

To defend my country (Greece) during the 30/40" were we had a high fertility rate we fought in ww2 and then a civil war, resulting loosing 1.000.000 people due to war, hunger and war crimes committeed by the bulgarians and germans and the communists (in the civil war) and hundreds of thousands left the country, but still we increased our population. The country for the next two decades had practically no infrastructure and many people migrated to other countries. Then when things got better a massive wave of urbanisation hit the country. Nowadays the fertility rate is low but it is interesting that we have regions like Crete and the Dodecanese with above replacement levels and some families usually more traditional are having a lot of kids. In the cities having children is looked as a burden and in some areas of the countryside there are no opportunities for the future making the youth to migrate to the cities and the cycle continues.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

We are still like 8 million 3 million are foreign. We should be atleast 20 million.

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

@@constantinethecataphract5949 μετά το βίντεο μπήκα και είδα στοιχεία της ελστατ και εντάξει δεν είναι τόσο τραγικά τα πράγματα. Μαζί με λαθρό είμαστε 10.400.000 (2023) εκ των οποίων 9.700.000 έχουν Ελληνική ιθαγένεια, βγάλε 200.000-300.000 που είναι τσιγγάνοι και άλλους 120.000 που είναι μουσουλμάνοι και καμία 100.000-150.000 που έχουν Ελληνική ιθαγένεια αλλά είναι αλλοδαπής καταγωγής είμαστε και πάλι 9.100.000 Έλληνες. Το στενάχωρο όμως είναι ο δείκτης γονιμότητας είναι 1.24 δυστυχώς.

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

​@@constantinethecataphract5949 no 9.700.000 have Greek nationality and if we exclude gypsies (~200.000), muslims(~120.000-150.00) and children of immigrants (~ 200.000) we are still over 9.000.000 Greeks ethnically.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

@@kostashliopoulos9293 Nationality means nothing. There are around 700.000 thousands of Albanians alone aswell as other migrants that combined go to 1.3 million. We went from 99% Greek in the 80's to being 85% and dropping.

[@kostashliopoulos9293]

​@@constantinethecataphract5949σύμφωνα με την ελστατ από τους 10.400.000 κατοίκους οι 9.700.000 έχουν Ελληνική ιθαγένεια, συνεπώς νόμιμοι και παράνομοι μετανάστες είναι 700.000 άτομα. Τώρα από τους Αλβανούς που έγραψες λαβέ υπόψιν σου ότι 200.000 από αυτός είναι ομογενείς μας από την βόρεια Ήπειρο. Επίσης περίπου 70.000/100.000 Αλβανοί έχουν επιστρέψει στην Αλβανία. Παιδιά μεταναστών με Ελληνική ιθαγένεια (εκ των οποίων το 76% είναι Αλβανοί) είναι ~200.000 εάν βγάλουμε και τους γύφτους(200.000), μουσουλμάνους (Έλληνες, Τούρκους Πομάκους και γύφτους) που είναι 120.000, 700.000 μετανάστες (νόμιμοι και μη) έχουμε ~1.220.000 μη εθνοτικά Ελλήνων και ~9.100.000/9.200.000 εθνοτικά Έλληνες στην χώρα μας. Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι ο δείκτης γονιμότητας είναι 1.24.

[@sargon4451]

The Kurds are certainly above 18% of the population. There are at least 22 million Kurds or half-kurds (with one of the parents Kurdish) in Türkiye and so they represent roughly a quarter of the population. However, this tells only a part of the demographic shift in Türkiye. There are also around 2 million people of Arab descent (mainly in the Hatay, Urfa, Mardin, Adana and Siirt provinces who are natives in addition to around 8 million non-native but defacto Arab residents (most of whom have Turkish citizenship). The former represent almost 2.5% of the population, the latter around 9.5%. There are other ethnic minorities such as Azeris, Uzbeks, Afghans, Chechens, Circassians etc. Many of whom reside in Türkiye for decades, some even centuries and they represent at least 3% of the population. The most significant demographic shift is hence that the ethnic Turkish component of the population is currently and for the first time in the history of the modern Turkish Republic less than 60% of the population and it is heading to below the 50% by mid century.

[@samankucher5117]

most people don't know but there are around 8 to 10 million kurds in western Turkey and even there they have larger families.

[@GamesOfficialYouTube]

Good

[@sargon4451]

@TURKEY_ARAB_COUNTRY_SUPER_ARAB In Diyarbakir, Urfa, Mus, Van and Bitlis provinces alone there are 10 million Kurds so what you claim is obviously wrong.

[@samankucher5117]

@@sargon4451 read the name he is a troll lol .

[@samankucher5117]

@TURKEY_ARAB_COUNTRY_SUPER_ARAB qena data .

[@MartinMunozLeon]

Can you do Spain where the fertility rate is 1,19? I think the lowest in Europe

[@PowerSimplified1871]

Lowest is Ukraine where it is 0.8

[@baha3alshamari152]

Lowest is Ukraine

[@croma81]

About AI pics: 2:10 Typical Saudi family... 7:45 Looks like somewhere in Iraq... 10:51 This pic looks like early 1900 typical Turkish village... 10:27 This is also ok pic... 13:11 Pakistani or Chechnya wedding? Trust me. I am Turco.

[@KadirG.]

it is a nice informative video about the Turkish Population. However, immigrants are changing the game. Under normal circumstances, Turkey's Demographic opportunity window will stay open till 2050. However, with the contribution of immigrants and their birthrate, everything changes rapidly along with the demographic structure of the population in Turkey.

[@keremmorgul367]

There are 3 core political and social cleavages in Turkey: secular/religious, Turk/Kurd, and Sunni/Alevi. It’s interesting to see how the demographic changes you mention will influence these cleavages.

[@cenk.3467]

2:14 this is completely wrong, Turkish women hass the same rights as men and they are more lucky in the court againts a man, because in Turkey women's declaration is essential, lets give an example, if a woman and a man is in the same elevator and the elevator has no cameras if the women says this man touched my inappropiate parts firstly the man will be beaten up by the local population because everyone would think that women is right, so would the judge and since the man has no way to prove he didnt do such a thing he will go to jail. Stop spreading misinformation online about my country.

[@sbastaki]

The UAE has 85% foreigners and 90% of the work force, unprecedented in history. No one talks about it.

[@Dara-wk5ty]

Stop the Ai slop

[@frukoprof]

Very good analysis on Turkey, that is one of the best I’ve watched on KZbin. Keep up the good work!

[@edjohnson8017]

I mean, western Turkey isn’t that different from other Mediterranean countries, other then some (admittedly) beautiful mosques it doesn’t feel especially Islamic in character. Eastern Turkey on the other hand, (with Kurds just popping out kids at twice the rate) is a whole different breed of animal. Kurdistan by 2050

[@JohnJourdan88]

Besides the mosques lol

[@edjohnson8017]

@@JohnJourdan88 how many German or English towns are irreligious but have beautiful cathedrals

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

@@edjohnson8017 loads but the problem for the secular is they dont have kids. The religous have the kids even in Germany.

[@hulking_presence]

They are the same people in western turkey who lived there even before the greek colonization 3000 years ago.

[@SmaruluSs]

​​@@hulking_presenceTURKS DESTORY GREEKS ATT AL.L

[@JiriHartvich-wf6ed]

Ankara is the capital, not Istanbul

[@MoonPhantom]

I mean if Turkey want re-migration and acts to get their population BACK.... That would be NEAT, you can have them back! Take them. I'm in Denmark, and there's soooo many turks. You can rejuvenate by taking them back. Create a system and economy that'll make them all wanna go back.

[@TheFalseShepphard]

Why would turks who live in the EU want to come back ? There's more economic opportunities there, plus the whole "not getting jailed" for saying stuff that doesn't align with the views of current ruling political echelon.

[@ermin2248]

nooo. Then who will make kebabs for me?

[@xXWesterlingXx]

Im from the Netherlands and we also have way to many of them, would do great for both countries

[@MoonPhantom]

@@TheFalseShepphard That's what I am saying, change the system so they all WANT to come back, all by themselves, and we can ALL be happy.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

​@@ermin2248 Greeks because we make better food than them.

[@ozguroge]

As a correction, there's no such wording as "black Turks". I am guessing you made it up to define an opposing group of people compared to "white Turks". Anadolulu/Anatolian would be the wording we would use for such identifications.

[@pulsar-pl1xf]

9:17 It is very difficult for wolves to become the majority in this state at this speed, and the high breeding rate in Urfa is thanks to the local Arabs in Şanlıurfa. And in the villages that affect these birth rates, there is a high probability of death of children born due to impossibility, generally in the southeast. And this map has always looked like this(In fact, the reproductive rate of kurds was much higher than this), and now the ethnic map is still the same.

[@StankoAx]

In 50 years the country will be renamed once again to Kürdiye

[@user-em1uu8oz9j]

Kurd birth rates are on decline too

[@omerjameel3524]

@@user-em1uu8oz9jno the census data are rigged the officials usually write 2-3 when a family has 4-5 new borns

[@StankoAx]

@@user-em1uu8oz9j I know, I watched the sam video you did. It was a joke

[@BOZ_11]

@@StankoAx sh1t joke then

[@StankoAx]

@@BOZ_11 it got me 9 likes, its a good joke. Everything above 7 likes is good

[@isaacfaith9369]

Unrelated to the topic of this video but the NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Channel) did a story this week where some population analyst said that our birthrate will go in the negatives in 2050, and encouraged our government to look for answers from outside our borders a.k.a. advocating for mass importation. I was so angry to see it...they seriously want us to believe that's the only answer. (it isn't.)

[@baha3alshamari152]

The other answer is to raise retirement age to 75

[@hamlet557]

@@baha3alshamari152 MUCH BETTER alternative than to invite the Dark Ages back in our lives.

[@hipstervintage3125]

Thanks for this video, I was hoping to see about population of Turkey because I live in Turkey. AI images were visually nice but they were typical orientalist viewpoint about Turkey. Let me add the information you didnt mention here. (1). Turkey is facing deep economical and institutional crises for the last ten years so many educated professionals flee from Turkey. (2). Refugees and people fleeing from wars and economic disasters come to Turkey as it is crossroads for Africa, Asia, Easten Europe and Middle East. Most of them later leave or go to 3rd countries so this created a low cost refugee economy which caused further unemployment . People cannot marry or decide to have kids if they cannot guarantee a source of income. Syrians, Kurds or Arabs can but most of the population in Turkey cannot. (3). Rents, House Prices and Food prices are too high so people cannot go for marriage, rent a house, cannot afford to buy food hence cannot have kids. (4). Having kids out of marriage is not seen legitimate in Turkey which is still a conservative country (5) Educated or working women in Turkey dont want more than 1-2 kids because raising kid is too expensive. It requires hell a lot of time , money and efford. (6) Turkish population is getting more urbanised and they have to live in smaller houses so they prioritise to survive. (7) New generation in the coutryside dont want to live and work in the rural areas. Lack of public services, jobs and proper housing push people to migrate into cities. (8) Covid crises and following high infilation changed peoples priorities in Turkey. They only think about health, keeping the job, good use of money, keeping housing, food and transport. (9) Most of the refugees like syrians, afghans, ukranians, russians, iranians and people from central asia now emigrate from turkey because they cannot save and send this money to their families in their countries. So they return or looking ways to go to Europe. (10). Current birth rates among refugees are amazingly high they have at least 5 kids and they enjoy free health service and schools in Turkey which they never had in their native countries. Schools, hospitals, streets are full of them and unfortunately some of them are beggars, drug sellers, prostitutes and abused by criminals . This is not sustainable. There is a growing anger among locals for them, sooner or later there will be local issues and currently anti immigration sentiment is raising. Some of them are already Turkish Citizen but it wont change anything because Turkish society can easily explode to minorities or newcomers so there is a big demographic change will likely happen in the near future. (11) Turkey is in the middle of wars geographically so government has to spend more on defence. If Turkey will have no choice other than waging war in this region, so after wars population pyramid will change forever. Every Turk was born as soldier, you cant finish them by killing because Turks and Kurds are familiar with wars and it helps to remember our national identity. I expect some form of war will happen in the near future and our goverment and people are preparing for those dark days.

[@nebhalabir1201]

Thanks for explaining it so well. In iran it's not nearly as bad however the birth rate is around 1.52 low. But among our afghan refugees its 3.8 2024. But afghans are quite similar so it's not as different as a turk to an Arab.

[@MonsieurDean]

First they bombed us, now they bomb themselves. How ironic.

[@StalkerX426]

just look at the turkish history between 700s-1500 comrade. we do it so many times

[@vigus-android-tests]

?

[@StalkerX426]

@user-gc6wd7dm4w because between 700s-1500s, we (turks) fight between eachother so many times

[@milansikela8383]

For intra-national differences in fertility rates, compare the United States of America (USA) fertility rates in totality to the birthrates of the Amish, Mennonites, Orthodox Jews, and Mormons within the USA. More specifically, look at the Amish birthrates at seven children per woman.

[@Winner8501]

Yes, my wishlist video is here