The Commodification Of An Identity

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#DemiLovato #NonBinary #GenderQueer #Trans

[@ShortFatOtaku]

TLDR: the constant drive towards 'more representation' has led us to a place where blatant shallow exploitative tokenism must be respected as authentic or you're a bigot. I've never felt a need to talk about my race or sexuality (despite them containing some non-standard components) because it doesn't matter and I don't need some kind of reveal party to garner attention. I guess I'm not self-centered enough.

[@MMDelta9]

When representation is all that matters, someone will make money off it. When someone makes enough money on something, *everyone else will join in.* It's a tale as old as time. Funny that the left seems to have forgotten it. I guess that's what happens when you reject grand narratives.

[@sik3xploit]

@@MMDelta9 Well representation can be a rather high priority depending on what the subject is.

[@angrybellsprout]

The term "transtrender" used to be a thing, haven't heard it in a while...

[@55Noco]

Ya I could care less what you do, are you a good person? That's the most important "identity"

[@yatarookayama8329]

For some reason when i hear /read non binary .... hiroyuki sawano binary star song comes to mind !

[@viysnjor4811]

Personally I've yet to be convinced "non-binary" is even really a thing, considering it's always just summed up as "I'm a man/woman but I don't fit the masculine/feminine stereotype", which is pretty much everyone. Very few people are a 100% masculine man, or a 100% feminine woman, most are somewhere in between, and some even cross over, like feminine men or masculine women, which is ok. It just means you are you, it doesn't mean you are somehow a third gender that only started to be a thing a few years ago. Sex is binary. Gender is binary. Femininity/Masculinity is the spectrum, so I remain unconvinced that non-binary isn't just either people misunderstanding that you can be a feminine man or a masculine woman (or that your femininity/masculinity can vary day by day), or it is used by people who simply have to be some unique, special snowflake to somehow justify their existence.

[@silverstar8868]

That's what I've been thinking. Especially when Dev himself said "Gender roles" when talking about gender identity. It really seems like gender identity is just someone being more or less feminine or masculine. Some change how they feel some don't feel either. Which means it's literally a nothing issue. It's just another lifestyle preference. If pronouns wasn't ever part of it, the whole topic in gender wouldn't exist. It would literally just be how masculine or feminine someone feels. At least, that's how I've been seeing it.

[@lightworker2956]

Yep. Say you're a woman who likes motorcycles. Then you can do two things: - you can say "I am a woman and I like motorcycles." This reduces the cultural stereotype that women like motorcycles. - or you can say "I like motorcycles, therefore I'm nonbinary." This actually increases the cultural stereotype that women like motorcycles.

[@voskresenie-]

Yes, exactly this. It's so frustrating to have these conversations with people where they act like you just need to 'educate' yourself, but there's absolutely nothing that education can do to resolve this inherent fallacy -- the conflation of 'gender' with 'gender norms/roles'. Nobody even _tries_ to resolve it. I have yet to find a person, online or in the real world, who even responds to my statements about this. They have no problem continuing to talk to me when they think I'm a transphobe, but as soon as I say that it seems like they're conflating gender norms with gender itself, they just shut down and say I need to educate myself. It's like they realize they don't have any good answer (because there isn't one), so they act exasperated like I'm just dumb for not understanding something so obvious. Another one I love is the typical way trans explanations start. "So you know how you 'feel' like a man?" Uh, no, I don't. I know that I _am_ a man, but it's not something I feel like. I sometimes feel masculine, but I never _feel_ like a man. Just like how I don't 'feel' like someone with 10 fingers.

[@Nefermose]

Regarding the OP, and comments in this thread, I definitely think nonbinary is an unnecessary category. As a gay man, I've always preferred the terms butch, femme and andro or androgynous. They are concise and work for both men and women.

[@KingOfInsanity777]

Why are we letting who we are only be defined by race and gender? As an Nigerian immigrant, I want to be known for my talents and skills, not only my skin color.

[@Sigurther]

Hey, man, are you a prince? I mean, if you need help moving some of your bank accounts over here, I'd be glad to help. Sorry, I simply could not resist.

[@KingOfInsanity777]

Lol I knew someone would mention that.😂

[@ninjaturtlefan2003]

Because talent, skill and character are something you have to work for

[@weefy117]

Can you tell prince Akeem i said hi?

[@Hurstain]

It's gone full circle so being colorblind and genderblind is now racist and sexist.

[@jovenc4508]

To me "non-binary" is just another way for people to make themselves feel special.

[@dapperwolf6034]

Thank you, really does seem like it was made up just for people just to say "hey look at me I'm special too"

[@Drako9823]

I sorta agree. It's the one thing I disagree with SFO about. I feel that it's impossible to be truly "non-binary" and it's something I often see people call themselves when they are being "groomed" into gender ideology. What I mean by this is someone young that discovered gender ideology and don't know their identity. Online cultists grab them and tell them these sort of things, ignoring that identity is related more to hobbies or personality. I've watched three friends get pulled into it. It's all internet peer pressure. Humans are such a sexually dimorphic species, that we have to express one or the other trait of M or F. The only time I take "non-binary" claims seriously is when those individuals put gender as the least important thing about them. Otherwise, you are correct; it's for show.

[@f145hr3831jr]

Also keep in mind that feeling special doesn't mean feeling good.

[@sik3xploit]

@@f145hr3831jr It's easier living a more obscure life in my opinion, but some people like it to be more complicated.

[@jovenc4508]

@@Drako9823 The only ones I would consider "non-binary" are hermaphrodites, but they are rare and even then they lean more towards one gender or the other.

[@kayokay470]

It's not entirely accurate that her name was on no one's lips before this. She recently went after a small business, accusing them of perpetuating diet culture, when in reality they are a bakery that caters to people with diabetes and other illnesses. She thought she was going to "stand up for the world" by taking on a small business, but it backfired on her and everyone was pretty pissed off at her for it. This non binary thing, coming weeks after that kinda makes me think it's just, "oh don't criticize me!! I'm nonbinary! You'll be a bigot if you criticize me now!!!"

[@kayokay470]

Watching her get knocked off her high horse by the very small business she was trying to shut down was glorious, and she was live on Instagram for most of it.

[@Grochlink]

Awfully convenient timing, wouldn't you say?

[@yourcucumberissoftandyourg3114]

Kinda like onlyjayus. Weeks after being called out for saying racist things in the past she suddenly comes out as NB. Probably just weird timing right?

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

@@yourcucumberissoftandyourg3114 What's frustrating to me on Demi Lovato is people such as myself dont want to be a bad guy on her especially with her addiction battles from the 2010s but shaming a business that's food related and then revealing she's nonbinary can seem rather suspicious on the timing

[@DarrellVermilion]

@@yourcucumberissoftandyourg3114 I'm so glad I don't pay attention to any of these fucking losers lol. "Social media was a mistake." - Hayao Miyazaki

[@reilysmith5187]

Looks at masculine Chad: "That's not me." Looks at feminine Barbie: "That's not me." Weirdos: "Guess I'm non-binary."

[@yardy88]

"what if I'm not non-binary... What if I'm just an ugly, femenine, man" - thoughts no one wants to have

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@yardy88 They can't own up to who they are.

[@januarysson5633]

So someone who’d rather be a non-person if they didn’t fit a stereotype... ...just how leftists think.

[@An0therAn0n]

So I'm a person that people really like to project onto, and people have tried to convince me I fall under different labels on serval occasions. It's fucking hilarious because I genuinely don't care what people call me. What is being young in this word anymore...

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

@@An0therAn0n yeah, I'm a guy who occasionally likes to cross dress mostly for fun. And my God do I feel like some people will just assume stuff about me all because.

[@kendra_t]

I've never met a "nonbinary" person who wasn't completely self-absorbed.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

There's not a single "non-binary" that Isn't a braindead out to lunch far leftist.

[@MajkaSrajka]

I have never met a nonbinary person. I live in Poland. We have actual problems here.

[@613harbinger316]

Most people don't mention their sexuality. If it was brought up in conversation, it's most likely being used as a badge or a cry for attention.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@MajkaSrajka All of those have drank too much communist/post-modernist Kool-Aid their brains are dead.

[@TheCorporateSerf]

@@MajkaSrajka Unless your problems involve being misgendered you have no right to complain. Won't somebody think of the 30 year old children?!

[@johnmilner9040]

if your gender fluid... at what temperature do you need to be to become gender solid?

[@bluhbluh5243]

lmao

[@Ahmenthi]

I said Demi went nonbinary to cope with her bad haircut, but you're probably right.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

No, Deb hasn't drop the Kool-Aid Yet. Non-Binary = Non-Existent.

[@mrwednesdaynight]

Looks like she has put on about 30 lbs since her hay day as well.

[@gagliardivex9218]

She was trying to get the yoghurt shop drama off her back

[@Winterascent]

Potato, Patatoe.

[@Le-cp9tr]

“I just think they’re a marketable demographic”- corporations, Before increasingly racial tensions

[@ablebaker8664]

For my part, I'm going to try to be less, Coke. 🤣

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

*coke rhymes with woke*

[@artemprotectron]

Yea, when Demi did that it just came off as the most obvious PR incident of all time, she had to get on that transtrending train. That is why so many people mocked and criticized the decision. Not to mention it was likely a misdirection for trying to get a small frozen yogurt business canceled because they dared to have diet-friendly products.

[@memnarch129]

Really? Shutting a place down because they offered a product to people who do want to lose weight?? Thats low, but nothing new for the left.

[@hombreg1]

Man, offering items with less sugar is exactly what we should ask of businesses.

[@renkol123]

Yeah, her coming out is exactly about taking eyes off her stupid attempt at cancelling that yogurt shop. It came out, like what, a week after people starting hounding her for it?

[@thecompareablezombie]

@@hombreg1 Correct, since Sugar is one Molecule from being the same as Cocaine when it comes to addiction. Documentary called Fed Up.

[@soandso3676]

@@memnarch129 not even a product for people who want to lose weight. She lost her shit over sugar-free and gluten-free cookies, like for people who have dietary restrictions. And then she said the the cookies should say for people with diabetes or celiacs instead. Like people want to advertise their ailments and illnesses.

[@Edujs23]

You being in a different mood doesnt mean you are different gender

[@SgtPotShot]

Wanting to wear pants or a skirt doesn't make you trans, either.

[@thecompareablezombie]

@@SgtPotShot Indeed yet if you have a few traits you can pretend to be said gender. Which is used in anime/manga etc

[@blampfno]

She should just call herself Semi Lovato.

[@noahjester8471]

I see what you did there 👍

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

Big brain

[@EpicExistenceEveryday]

FUCKIN LOL

[@Thunderfang777]

@@noahjester8471 I don't.

[@lobisomemfacanha4817]

Semi- Lovauto Full- Lovauto Burst-

[@ChrisSuperDude]

The Destiny/Serfs thing reminds me of a Black Panther quote from the 90s "I'm not here to be the black superhero, I'm here to be a superhero."

[@lordtennysonspipe1239]

"But when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." --Matthew 6:5-7.

[@JoshuaKennedy321]

"You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do they light a lamp and place it under a grain measure, but on a stand; then it shines for everyone in the house. Similarly let your light shine among the people, so that they may observe your good works and give glory to your heavenly Father." --Matthew 5:14-16

[@highadmiralbittenfield9689]

@@JoshuaKennedy321 not sure what your motivation for posting that reply is, but I get the feeling you are doing so because you believe it to be contradictory. If that is not the case, this reply is pointless. The scripture in OP is concerning the Pharisees, who prayed and acted very publicly in order to receive personal honors. The scripture you posted is concerning acting righteously in order to further the glory of God, and not your own. I hope this clears up a misunderstanding it is present; if not, perhaps it will help another. Good day.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

@@JoshuaKennedy321 "Look at me, daddy. Notice me notice me!" Their reward is in being noticed.

[@JoshuaKennedy321]

@@highadmiralbittenfield9689 An astute reply, however it's a very fine distinction to make between God's glory and your own. Far too often they wind up being the same. How does one avoid this?

[@highadmiralbittenfield9689]

@@JoshuaKennedy321 the whole of Matthew 23 is Jesus' seven woes upon the Pharisees, who made an outward show of righteousness while not being righteous inwardly. An example of this same self-centered righteousness can be seen in Ananias and Sapphira in Acts chapter 5, who sold their land, gave some to those in need, while lying that they gave all of the money. They did a righteous thing, but it was a lie for their own exaltation It is a question of priorities. In the seven woes, Christ likens the Pharisees to whitewashed tombs: outwardly clean, but full of corruption within. They tithed the herbs in people's window boxes, but neglected the weightier matters of the law. As in all questions of how one ought to live, one ought to look at Christ's example. Christ was the son of God, but he humbled himself and served others, washing the feet of his disciples and ultimately humbling himself to be unfairly arrested, tried, beaten, insulted, and brutally killed. Whenever Christ or the apostles did something to be seen, it was not so they could be praised, but so that God may be praised, and that they could serve as an example for others. I am sorry for the lengthy reply, as I am not eloquent enough to put it shortly. I hope this helps.

[@emodante1084]

"Tall girls are freaks of nature that no man would possibly want to date" *Lady Dimitrescu enters the chat*

[@JoeMartinez18]

The funny thing is... women don't want to date men shorter than them... but men don't give a shit... yet at the same time men get blamed for not dating tall women...

[@HelloWorldxx3]

@@JoeMartinez18 there are people like that on both sides. dont pull the gender card again

[@zenith7949]

😏

[@NightTimeDay]

@@HelloWorldxx3 nah in this case there's actually a point to bringing up sex differences. Women prefer tall men universally in all cultures. This is common knowledge in evolutionary psychology. Men do not have biological height preferences. Doesn't mean that there aren't women like myself who don't mind my shorter bf, or short men who find my height ugly or intimidating, but exceptions don't disprove the rule.

[@fz7788]

I had a crush on a tall girl

[@Snakedude4life]

“Believe the science or you’re crazy!!!” Also: “I identify as a Non-binary and now wish to be called an elf” 🎩 🐍 no step on snek! 🇭🇰🇺🇸

[@viscountrainbows6452]

Attack Helicopter Meme: *Jordan Peele sweats*

[@noahjester8471]

Lol i legolas now

[@Super-Sheepy]

I identify as a god. Accept it, get on your knees and praise me biggots

[@hikaruk.981]

That explains why I see so many teens and 20-somethings running around with those stupid elf-ear covers now...

[@googleuser9383]

Elfs are like the most sexualised fictional species there is. I think there never ever has been a non-binary, asexual elf in any officially published fiction.

[@Zer0Hour17]

I'm sure this has nothing to do with people recently getting angry at her for trying to cancel a progressive private business.

[@georgecisneros5281]

If by “nothing” you mean “everything”...I think you might be on to something, my friend!😂

[@ivercingetorix1367]

My classmates can't even conceive of individualism...

[@jesshorn257]

wow that is sad... I would guess they would call the cops if they got mugged so wouldn't they have some sense of self?

[@ivercingetorix1367]

@@jesshorn257 I literally used that exact situation to see if they could assign individual blame on the mugger. They said "history of oppression, socio-economics, classism" and that I wanted revenge rather than rehabilitation. Without individualism, there is no personal accountability.

[@jesshorn257]

@@ivercingetorix1367 to me that is so scary that a person can be so disconnected to reality... guess that is why the NPC meme works so well they really do think that all people should run on a collective program... I always assumed it was just a grift for power or attention but deep down they had the sense of self at least...

[@fartherdude5062]

@@ivercingetorix1367 same with CRT here buddy. My classmates have completely destroyed individual responsibly and want to treat black people like little kids who need everything handed to them and I’ve challenged them that that is MORE racist and condescending than they are accusing me of and yet they do not care.

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@ivercingetorix1367 "if we just socialize criminals properly, they'll stop being criminals", its an interesting mix of being ultimately futile and impractical, and the sheer arrogance of thinking that the effort isn't futile, that continues to amaze me when I see that mentality play out in college. Full on Tabula Rasa.

[@Torvar]

I saw recently. "The most damaged people are the wisest." If you accept this, then people will start redefining what it means to be damaged.

[@jeanhamilton3296]

Same shit we see with trauma and mental health. For the past 20/30 years we've been glorifying it again and again and again, and now everyone think they have "anxiety", "depression", "bpd" (which half of these morons think means bipolar disorder), etc. Make something appealing, watch people fake it for relevance.

[@howardmurphy8019]

"Sure, we're damaged. Really damaged. But that does not make us wise."

[@jesshorn257]

I would think the wise are the ones that learned from past "damages" so in the future it doesn't happen again... the truly wise reads a books so they don't have to go through the pain to learn

[@jeanhamilton3296]

@I only use this account when I get put in time out Absolutely, I completely agree with you. I mean, there's some stuff that should be stigmatized (furries !) but overall yeah just saying "tis fine" should be enough. On the other hand politicians would garner less votes that way so I don't think we'll get rid of that supid behaviour any time soon.

[@MultiNacho8]

@@jeanhamilton3296 I fail to see why furries should be stigmatized. The zoophiles and pedos in the community should absolutely be stigmatized, but the majority of furries aren't guilty of such things. Careful when making generalizations, that's what most SJWs are guilty of.

[@napoleonblownapart8155]

Non binary means nothing. Just ask a "non binary" in a genuine conversation. Eventually you will get to the answer of "I don't like gender stereotypes because I don't perfectly fit into them." That's it, that's literally all it is.

[@deathmetalbard]

Aka " I need the dopamine that comes with 15 minutes of fame"

[@artemprotectron]

ah yes the pathetic social media backpat culture

[@hellacoorinna9995]

"Please forget that time I bitched-out a Yogurt shop, and my peons can attack you for being "transphobic"

[@The_BlackTemplar]

"Coming out" as non binary is like the lowest buy in for a poker game, generally it doesn't really cost you much but you get to play the game.

[@bobbybee2975]

Every time race or sex or gender identity comes up it strikes me we are moving backwards intellectually. Instead of focusing on how to improve our lives as individuals and communities we have fallen into delusional narcissism.

[@guilhermehank4938]

You can thank rampant commercialism, participation trophy mentality and the infiltrated educational system...oh and the "let live" or something mentality, which basically devolved into just letting degeneracy go unpunished

[@viysnjor4811]

@@guilhermehank4938 People can do what they want on their own or with consenting adults as long as it doesnt harm others, the issue is when they try to get the State to come in and force people to respect their delusions and misunderstanding of gender

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

@@viysnjor4811 I agree. And on the note of consenting adults, kids really don’t have the ability to consent to hormone treatment or surgery. That scares me a little bit. How many children in the next generation will experience regret for what they’ve done to their bodies.

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

@@viysnjor4811 Like, imagine growing up reproductively disabled and regretting decisions from your childhood for the rest of your life. Tragic.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

David Reimer and Brian Reimer

[@t_s_albatross3270]

If your identity is based on something you cannot control, then you’ll end up depressed. If you identity is based on something you can control, you will be rewarded for it. It’s much better to have your talents recognized as opposed to having rewards just for existing.

[@tsar7761]

"then you will end up depressed" Why?

[@jtamiing559]

@@tsar7761 because it stops being special when shoved in everyone’s faces all the time and peoples interest will wane (annoyance will increase if your stubborn about it), when no one pays attention to you, you feel insignificant.

[@tsar7761]

@@jtamiing559 Identity is not supposed to be special.

[@sik3xploit]

@@tsar7761 Sure, but it's something people are so obsessed over that it's the only thing that matters to them.

[@benmasta5814]

@@tsar7761 thats the whole problem. It's not the sharing of idenity that bothers people with this stuff, its the over-sharing and focus. There's this weird expectation of being defined by factors out of your control, and being berated if you refuse it.

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

This channel gave me a respect for real liberals. Keep up the great content, my dude.

[@Sigurther]

Are you equally despised by leftists and right-wingers? Then you're probably a liberal and should stay the course. XD

[@birdgang8890]

SFO isn't a real liberal lol

[@lordmctheobalt]

@@birdgang8890 How is he not a real liberal? And more to the point: What is a liveral in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious, not looking for shit talking...

[@porassrivastava8242]

@@birdgang8890 SFO is a liberal because he's been considered the center for so long, he looks more right lol

[@tvnorminstudio3080]

@@Sigurther Well that’s why I like SFO.

[@godusopp9401]

What did one gender say to the other gender? "I sure am glad there's only 2 of us"

[@lemonbot4906]

"It seems we are the last of us 2" said transgender and non-binary coming out of no where.

[@veggsbacon1891]

🎶Just the two of us. Building castles in the sky. Just the two of us. You and I.🎶

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

“I’m not saying non-binary isn’t a thing.” I am.

[@Aphotic_One]

I only accept that from an honest to god hermaphrodite

[@alexanderackerman3807]

I can kind of sort of understand if an actual intersex would say something like that but that's like extremely rare exceptions

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

@@alexanderackerman3807 but even intersex people aren’t like full on two genders. They usually are fully developed in one way, with vestigial remains of the other genitals. So they usually end up falling into one or the other like everyone else. I don’t think there’s ever been a person with fully functional dick and balls, and fully functional vagina and boobs.

[@AndrewChumKaser]

@@Eirik_Bloodaxe Hentai watchers: "if only there were..."

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@Eirik_Bloodaxe Not to mention, the vast majority of intersex people easily pass as one of the two sexes.

[@artemprotectron]

More reasons why we need to promote individualism instead.

[@polaris911]

exactly. Labeling someone as part of a group is meaningless. Realistically, you're only guaranteed to share 1 thing in common with them.

[@thegreathadoken6808]

Yes, let's promote individualism collectively.

[@CountArtha]

The Cathedral doesn't promote individualism because they know an individual will not need them.

[@mattf967]

Why is it everytime the Serfs say something it always sounds like they're attempting to either: A) Walk something back B) Downplay something or C) Try and explain why a Bad Thing is actually a Good Thing

[@Hisu0]

I guess that's in the name.

[@GodOfOrphans]

They kinda sound like they're perpetually guilty, which makes sense given how their ideology works.

[@jlupus8804]

They’re a spineless coward. Destiny showed proof of this in one of his videos and in one of his analysis videos and in one of their debates.

[@sik3xploit]

I'll start believing on non-binary stuff when people can start getting Cyberpunk style alterations at a common level.

[@1810jeff]

The funniest part is that cyberpunk people don't realize that the cyberpunk world is supposed to be dystopian which is why the world seems androgenous. They are fans of an art they don't understand.

[@thecompareablezombie]

Correct and we can gender bend through magic/science.

[@sik3xploit]

@@1810jeff Pretty hilarious to have wokelings and leftists shit on such a world, when an authoritarian dystopia is a world they seek to establish.

[@sik3xploit]

@@thecompareablezombie Nonbinary, perhaps one of the most unscientific things can be processed through technology and science. How ironic is that?

[@Trid3nt861]

In such a utopian dystopia world these same people screeching about "Non Binary" are going to be the very ones being silenced by the tyrant/dictator or the State/Mega-Corporation.

[@gracefulPainter]

This is why gender should be attached to sex. It just doesn't mean anything if it's tied to how you feel based on what the culture's current description of gender roles are. That's a problem with basing understanding on non-objective criteria

[@vaeringjar1387]

When someone says to me they're "not cis" in whatever terms, my first impulse is to ask what that means. Usually the explanation they give comes down to something incredibly superficial, such as hair style, clothing, or makeup. Not always, but disturbingly often. All they're doing is reinforcing gender stereotypes by saying something like a guy with long hair is feminine or a woman wearing jeans is masculine (or otherwise not feminine). Gender dysphoria is a totally different thing, but now the progladytes are trying to sweep that under the table. As soon as all of these new genders were being pushed, this started to happen because the more terms you have, the more specific the definitions have to be and it's much easier to define things based on what you can see rather than abstract concepts. So now, instead of just saying "hey, do what you like and don't worry about labels," we have a whole generation of people who worship labels.

[@JoeMartinez18]

I've been telling that to so many people... yet apparently me, and you of course, are insane for even thinking it. The worst part is... we are currently in a time where actual gender disphoria is just overlooked, or not taken seriously anymore.

[@vaeringjar1387]

@@JoeMartinez18 Oh it's worse than just being overlooked or not taken seriously. People are actively trying to erase it, simply to cater to the t-trenders. But, like you said, if you want to discuss any of this, you're "part of the problem."

[@soso-mx8nb]

It's extremely troubling. Sometimes I'll go on lgbt tik tok comps stuff like that and just read comments and you can tell it's from kids being brain washed to think that way. Honestly I'm a very androgynous lesbian and I've grown a complex of being like, I do go to the gay bar will people think I'm trans or non binary ? Or try to talk about that with me? Because I don't conform to gender stereotypes or whatever. But now they mix up gender non conforming people (which is basically just a fancy way of saying, people who do whatever tf the way ) and gender fluid people etc. It's all just way more complicated than it has to be.

[@lemonbot4906]

"Trans woman are drastically over represented in the field of computer programming." Wait is this true? I posted memes of trans saying they started doing coding for a week and this is who they are now but I never thought I was real.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yes actually, something like 1.5% of coders are trans and yet the % of trans people is incredibly small

[@CM-mo7mv]

​@@ShortFatOtaku the company here has produced at least 3 trans woman and 1 not outed trans man I personally know of while going through less than 200 coders

[@AuroraAce.]

@@ShortFatOtaku its the programmer socks that improve programming ability by 20%, some programmers just get too comfortable in them

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@CM-mo7mv 1.5-2% then? so greater than or equal to his figure?

[@JPnielsen]

"Non-binary is so hot right now" -Mugatu

[@GayFrogsTho]

Go look at the "#Uggpride" commercial they've just released. I dare you.

[@hughaskew6550]

"Sex assigner" sounds like a cool job to have. Hey, everyone's talking about it, so obviously somebody gets to do it.

[@FlawlessP401]

Dev's not saying being NB doesnt exist. But I definitely am, I will defend this position to the death. Peoples misunderstanding of gender as a social construct is the only reason they can even attempt to make such an incoherent point as "im not a boy or a girl" No, you dont "feel" like a boy or a girl. That has zero to do with what you actually are in the real world.

[@JJKane01]

She going the Ellen Page route, come out as bi, then a bi director, then go full on Elliott And people forget about her again lol

[@CM-mo7mv]

jup had to look him up .. great filmography

[@compatriot852]

Ironic how these people scream about the "science" while denying actual anatomical and neurological biology

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Hollywood: why don’t you pay attention to me?! Me: *Plays Guts Theme even louder and presses F for respect*

[@CapraDaAlbaRegia]

F ❤

[@thecompareablezombie]

F

[@fillo9873]

F

[@alexbarclay7876]

F

[@lemonbot4906]

*F*

[@queen_alexandra996]

As a trans person, I wholeheartedly agree with those who told you that this commodification of identity makes us all look bad. When I came out to my friends I had to spend whole days convincing them that I had arrived to my decision of my own accord and that it's something I genuinely need and not just some nonsense leftists forced onto me. It's really quite infuriating to have people try to deny your own ability to come to your own decisions in good faith, and I've had it from both political camps, the right think I've been brainwashed by the left and the left think I've internalised transphobia for not agreeing with them

[@CM-mo7mv]

Well, I know I have made stupid decisions in my life (with some pondering over almost 6 months yet resulting in the wrong decision) and I know the tempting opposite sex perception plus other things ... If ANY of my FRIENDS would come out to me as wanting to undergo transition I would offer myself as reflection surface to their reasoning. Not out of disrespect but quite the opposite, because they are most relevant to me! My main arguments would be: - I believe you can lead a life as a non-stereotypical man or woman or as SFO remarked both. (e.g. I dislike sports and it took a while to come around to beer) - I know only few people who are truely happy with their body. - If it is about gaining acceptance by others, that may never happen. I know a 30+ man looking like an eerily bearded boy. However I get wanting to have tried all you could do to get accepted. But seems like a recipe for disappointment.

[@queen_alexandra996]

@@CM-mo7mv yeah, I totally understand that they were concerned about me as a person and weren't just "transphobes" like the left would claim. But the overall perception of people who want to transition created by the left made that discussion significantly more difficult to have, since I had to spend a significant amount of time and effort distancing myself from that perception before I could have gotten into the reasons I personally belive this was best (which for privacy I'm not going to just lay out here since they're deeply personal)

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

I wish all the best to you. Reminds me of how im trying to raise my son. I see some parents of "transitioned children" and they are basically forcing them to be such. I'm going to raise my boy on his interests, and do the best I can to not have a forceful influence on him. I like to cross dress and am into the whole Trap concept. If he wishes to follow my footsteps, then so be it. But I'm not going to force such on him. I believe that is abuse.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

If she keeps hitting the ice cream she'll be aromantic soon

[@Meloncolliepoet]

I AM saying that "non-binary" doesn't exist.

[@DrWarman86]

And when people mocked Demi they said weren’t her pro nouns her/oin

[@thegreathadoken6808]

That's....clever. Juvenile but sorta clever.

[@DrWarman86]

@@thegreathadoken6808 I know right. I can’t take credit for sharing meme though.

[@CompletelyNewguy]

For me it's like this: Do I believe biological men can have SOME biological female features? Yes. Can biological females have SOME biological masculine features? Yes. But it doesn't magically make you a new gender, you're primarily going to be either male or female. We use pronouns to keep it simple. Stop trying to complicate things and forcing people to cater to you for existing. These people keep thinking they need special treatment because "they're not like everyone else" but what they really need is to be treated like everyone else. The truth is, their little quirk is completely inconsequential.

[@arandomguardsmen]

The flesh is weak metal is eternal

[@magoichi75]

Praise be the omnissiah!

[@arandomguardsmen]

@@magoichi75 101100010100100100100

[@Ceronia]

Chemical corrosion: Am i a joke to you?

[@SgtPotShot]

Ferrus Manus spins in his grave every time his dumbass sons repeat that.

[@CM-mo7mv]

"Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever." Rules of Acquisition 102

[@videogameepicfails]

I still don’t understand how non-binary makes sense as a type of gender. I understand gender as a masculine/feminine spectrum. When people say they identify as anything but male, female, something in between, or neither; to me it sounds like a category error. The way I see it, If gender can mean anything, it doesn’t really mean anything? If everyone had their own unique gender, would gender even be a useful construct? I don’t think so. Gender was originally meant to distinguish people/things with masculine or feminine traits, similarly to how Spanish words are often implicitly gendered. I wonder why there aren’t any Spanish words that are gendered as non-binary.🤔

[@nickgarnero9843]

Dang bro. You got two arms. Congrats. Your representation is a net positive for the world.

[@abrahamlincoln9758]

I'm non-non-binary-fluid. That is, my gender expression is just meant to annoy you.

[@TOUGHEYES]

And when everyone else and their dog thinks they're special, just like Syndrome predicted about Supers in The Incredibles, no one will be.

[@mrshmuga9]

But in the meantime they hope to jump on that train and gain whatever clout/money they can while the going’s good. Then when it’s not surprising, they’ll identify as something else wild to start the process all over again.

[@TOUGHEYES]

@@mrshmuga9 like hamsters on a wheel.

[@UlulvarCape]

Ngl, Finding out about Demi Lovato now makes me give less of a shit about her honestly. EDIT: or them, it depends on if this is just a way to chase clout or not.

[@zenou-samaIV]

Love your pic. Esdeath is top tier 😍

[@justinbotkin]

I love you Dev and appreciate your POI, but goddamn, I will refuse using "Cis" until the day I die.

[@mrshmuga9]

People need to stop capitulating and playing by the left’s game. Conceding ground even by a little means another “win” for them and we got to this point because of all the small victories they claimed. 99.99% of people are “cis”. It doesn’t make sense to make a category for (more than) overwhelming majority. It’s applicable to nearly every single human throughout history.

[@Alex_Fahey]

When they say cisgender, respond with "yes, I am normal"

[@Tomi-oe5mz]

Same.

[@PresleyPerswain]

I should have documented it at the time, and I'm not willing to spend the hours that would be required to find a.l the sources again - if they are even still there. So lacking the recipits fell free to call me a lier. Having said that: Several years ago (2016? 2017?) I loo,ec up the origins of 'cis gendered. Everyone knows cis is a term from chemistry of course. But how did it come to be applied to gender? Well, of course as the term trans became popular some people feel we needed a term for nontrans people. And using 'normal' was offensive, of course. So some trans person - on tumbler iirc - took cis from chemistry and applied to to gender. But my point is they ('they' because I don't recall their gender or sex) was quite specifically using it as an insult. It was meant as an offensive term for normal people, to 'get back at them' for being belittling to trans people. So 'cis' should be considered an offensive term, something not to be embraced but one outright rejected. Something not to be uttered in polite company. At, least IMHO.

[@mrshmuga9]

@@PresleyPerswain I haven't seen that post, but I can corroborate that "cis" was definitely used as a pejorative. Though I wasn't using tumblr, but Twitter. Not to mention it's also used in the mess of a derogatory phrase "the white, cis, hetero patriarchy" which feminists complain about all day.

[@timmteller871]

I got a really strange Lil Nas X video where he told me to respect pronouns as an ad. Wtf.

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

Wait really? What the hell lol

[@thhrjdh5564]

Lil Nas X is a prick.

[@cosmic-tiger]

Same here, apparently Ugg boots don’t just want to sell bad shoes

[@timmteller871]

@@cosmic-tiger Well their ad campaign certainly sucks since I immediately thought it's just some political ad and didn't even realize which brand it is.

[@cosmic-tiger]

@@timmteller871 yeah, this is why these sorts of ads are so stupid. The people they alienate or piss off probably outweigh any positive benefit they get from courting a fringe community of potential customers. Assuming they even care about their bottom lines anymore

[@ZontarDow]

Ok but how do I change the gender fluids?

[@jesshorn257]

first check the dipstick?

[@nicholasviney5975]

I Identify as a Non-binary= look at me I'm special

[@hannibalcase1100]

In other words, she came out as attention-seeking.

[@f145hr3831jr]

Tell me how this transidentity business isn't based on some form of extreme gender essentialism, since it implies that your gender is defined by societal gender stereotypes.

[@okzoomer5728]

I've lived with sex dysphoria, and all of these cis people on the internet might as well be doing the equivalent of blackface with transgender topics. I might be neurologically in between sexes, which should be regarded as the actual definition of nonbinary. Too many people don't understand the difference between gender expression and identity. It's infuriating how celebrated this appropriative behavior is, and how REAL dysphoric people get teared into for speaking out about how wrong it is. Heck, we're even chastised by these same frauds for dare talking about how we suffer and how access to medical care can be difficult.

[@bedlamite42]

"Back in my day" - SFO has a boomer moment

[@zero1zerolast393]

The problem with trans feeling their in the body, or are the wrong gender, is that they focus to much on stereotypes. My brother is trans, and it so hard to view as anything but a boy wearing a dress because he thinks wearing a dress makes him a woman, regardless wherever else he might doing. Case in point, my brother in law has type 2 diabetes need food, I asked him if he had a fork in his purse, which I asked, because woman often times keep very useful items, such as candy, sugar packets, and other small items that can come in handy. He didn't have a fork, which i can understand. Then he tells me that he has bullets, like what?

[@Arassar]

Robin in The Dark Knight Returns wasn't "Dick Grayson But Black," or "Jason Todd But Black. She was her own character. What we all have the problem with is when they make the characters "Clark Kent But Black," or "Peter Parker But Gay." It's the most pandering, lazy, soulless garbage ever.

[@HeyItzMeDawg]

Transgenderism and nonbinarism _doesn't_ make sense to me, though. How the fuck do you "feel" like you "should" be a different sex? I'm struggling to relate that to literally any other aspect of the human experience. "I feel like I should be an olympic level runner, but I'm not." "I feel like I should be black, but I'm not." "I feel like I should have three arms, but I don't." "I feel like I have blond hair, but I don't." "I feel like I should have a lot of friends, but I don't." People who would advance such ideas unironically sound inhinged, or at least that they have a problem with their perception of reality not actually matching reality that they need to solve.

[@aaaaaa2362]

Perfectly said. This weird notion is perhaps the most nonsensical aspect to transgenderism.

[@nostradamusofgames5508]

People really need to stop bending the knee to these "pronouns", SFO included.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i'll do what i want

[@AlphariusandOmegon]

Destiny's reaction is the reaction of someone that isn't a total narcissist.

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

It was nice to hear honestly, sounds like someone who doesn't want to be put on a pedestal and just treated like a normal person.

[@hombreg1]

Man, people it shows that people who think tall girls aren't actively pursued haven't ever interacted with the dorohedoro fandom

[@shyguypro9876]

Non-binary is like the Métis of gender identity. Yes, it's absolutely a thing, but because it's such a hard definition to nail down, it's an identity that's open for anyone who wants to take advantage of it to come in and claim it, even if they don't actually fit.

[@bluecoin3771]

Reject modern celebrities, embrace Haachama.

[@Zetact_]

I've spoken with some of the most hardcore SJW types about it and I just think that a lot of gender theory is rooted in what are honestly pretty sexist beliefs. Like, "If you don't conform exactly with the stereotypical traits of masculinity or femininity then that means you aren't a man/woman." Boys tend to like robots and mechanical toys even as babies, but that doesn't mean a boy who doesn't like robots is less of a boy than the ones who do. But the people I spoke with unironically said that if you are cis and had to move to a society where gender stereotypes are reversed, that would make you become trans (in more words but that was the gist of the response). Or, you know, the very real argument made that tomboys can't simply be normal girls who happen to have a more masculine personality. Not conforming entirely to a stereotype or having the degrees by which you exhibit those traits change often is just being a person with an identity that isn't defined by your chromosomes. I have never seen any real explanation about the "gender spectrum" that doesn't just boil down to some sort of sexist logic. Transgenderism you can actually point to something that is a very real condition (body dysmorphia) and say, "It's part of that." Non-binary you can't... Unless you want to say Munchausen.

[@mrshmuga9]

They spent all this time breaking down stereotypes of men and women, saying it’s sexist (to simply ‘notice’ common behaviour), only to hold people to even worse standards than they rallied against. If you’re not Chad you’re not a man, but you can still be a woman despite having a dick. There’s no logical consistency, it’s whatever they want it to mean at anytime and always changing. And “always changing” is just nice way of saying “I don’t want to make clear definitions because that means I can be held accountable and I’m allergic to responsibility”.

[@killingusslowly2090]

Douglas Murray put it best when he described non-binary as 'Look at me.'

[@TheLewylew]

I got an ad that was like "you should respect people's pronouns" that was the entire ad on this video lmao.

[@Sam-hy2rc]

Got a Lil Nas advert lecturing me about pronouns as an ad, bit of a hm.

[@alex_saye]

Ugh same, and saturated with rainbow branding...

[@porassrivastava8242]

Carrie Kelly was awesome as Robin. She's a pretty cool character, kinda glad she's not mainstream in the DC universe otherwise she'd be used as a token.

[@BallsTheDog]

It's purely a power thing and it's not surprising the vast majority of the supporters of this kind of shit seem to be teenage girls who always got their way.

[@thecompareablezombie]

Correct Thanks to Simps wanting Female Validation In another form. Same for Incels as well.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

I always found the term non-binary to be odd when adopted by someone who believes in more than two genders. Bi literally meaning two. Therefore contradictory when used by someone claiming to be, as opposed to using the term gender non-conforming. All this language is confusing because the terms aren't concrete and apparently won't be.

[@cosmic-tiger]

And even gender non-conforming is a bit of an odd distinction from the norm because almost everyone deviates to some degree from the behaviours/interests typically associated with the gender matching their birth sex. The same people who decry the idea of gender roles often happily accept the gender theory that bases itself on a pretty rigid interpretation of what defines the male or female gender.

[@SmithOfGear92]

Friendly reminder Demi nearly had a small snack shop destroyed because they didn't like the fact the shop had low calorie/diet items on the menu. Demi being an NB doesn't spare them the rod.

[@DJ_Macphisto]

What a fucking [REDACTED] she is.

[@charlesruteal9062]

@@DJ_Macphisto Massive?

[@drewbakka5265]

Honestly I didn't know who demi lavato is

[@UlulvarCape]

same.

[@artemprotectron]

I just know her as the one who got mocked relentlessly for trying to cancel a small frozen yogurt business

[@Garrus1995]

An unhinged former Disney actor who thought she (or they, whatever) should become a pop star.

[@wagz781]

"People hate tall girls, and is at best a very niche kink" - Tall Girls "Oh, what sights I have to show you" - my hardrive

[@hellacoorinna9995]

Sigourney Weaver, ahoy!

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

Hi pretty much every gamers reaction to a certain Resident Evil character

[@donnerblitzen1388]

Tall chicks ROCK! They can reach the shelves I can't reach (I'm 6 foot)! It's awesome!

[@aderemiporsche]

Preach, brother, preach!

[@SlayerOfTheDamned]

Lmao, I thought I was the only one that liked women taller than usual

[@kongfeet81]

Imagine narcissism being considered the norm

[@realkauficroft]

I still think this non-binary thing is completely made up and not a legit concept. Not a single man on this planet feels/behaves 100% masculine at all times. That doesn't mean he is somewhere between or outside of female and male all of a sudden. And afaik pronouns are used in relation to one's biological sex and not in relation to ones gender identity. We do not have pronouns for mindsets or self-identification and never had because it is not practical whatsoever. You can identify as anything you want and you deserve the same rights as anyone else, but none of that changes anything about your biological sex. If your biological sex is male, your pronouns are he/him and that's that.

[@cthomaspeasant3059]

I'm still trying to figure out who Demi Lovato is

[@bluecoin3771]

Whatever her Disney handlers tell you she is.

[@hanyuukawaiinanodesu]

Just another child star that Disney and the rest of Hollywood screwed the sanity out of, figuratively or literally.

[@PhatAssMitsubishi]

I feel like being "non-binary" today is similar to being "bi-sexual" back in the early 2000s

[@carlhartwell7978]

But regarding Destiny, what I want to know is, why did he feel the need to make it known that he's non binary, if it's so personal and not something he needed some kind of validation for. I'm just wondering what possible situation would anyone need to know it, given his pronouns remain the same. Call me cynical, but he got a kick out of throwing the (normally sought after 'stunning and brave' comment) back in the other guys face.

[@nowdefunctchannel6874]

While watching this video I got an ad about Lil' Nas X (I'm pretty sure that's his name) using he/him pronouns, how fitting.

[@kermit2jo]

When that 6/10 marginally attractive woman with minor parental issues wants more attention: "Nonbinary" 👀

[@juliol527]

Man,I forgot about this channel, I just remembered it because someone mentioned it in a comment, the worrying thing is that I just checked and you uploaded hundreds of topics that I search for everyday but KZbin never suggested it to me. You are totally shadowbanned here in France man.

[@Brenhydra]

Non-Binary always seemed such a weird term to me. It describes what it is not but not what it is, and therefore appears to be a term used for people who want to be special without doing anything important. Companies will take anything that they know won't damage them in the short term, and its why they support things like this, like BLM, like Trans Crosswalks.

[@bigduke5902]

Many, many young actresses have "come out" as something other than straight in recent years and I suspect it's simply to keep them in the running when casting directors are looking to fill certain roles.

[@Corrderio]

This is why I hate identity politics/labels. You can't see people as just people now. You need to see them as [Insert Checkboxes Here] people

[@biscuitsalive]

Look at me look at me. I’m different and special! Also I’m oppressed. Give me stuff! And give me adoration! NOW!

[@danmann861]

Sounds like one of my recent Facebook friends who is undergoing the change. Everytime she posts on social media, it's yet another "look at me, aren't I special" post complete with selfie. All it says to me is "I'm a twat who has no identity and feels the need to be special among the crowd"....or maybe I'm just a sardonic cynical old bastard ;)

[@brandonerwin7031]

Meh. The issue is not gender/sex correlation. It's power. And people have found a way to confuse people into giving them more power.

[@bossbullyboy195]

I remember the whole "coming out as bi" in the 90s...same kinda thing these days

[@tonyrigorous]

That gender identity rant at the beginning was a fucking atrocity, but great video/discussion overall.

[@SlayerOfTheDamned]

Ever realize that no one can be a tom-boy or tom-girl anymore? People are confusing personality with identity. You’re born the way you are and the best way to live life is to capitalize on your strengths and work on your weaknesses.

[@johntheherbalistg8756]

For those of you who don't know what "nonbinary" is - *RUN! JUST FKN GO! DON'T SPOIL YOUR INNOCENCE* There, fixed that open for you

[@tribacioustee2846]

Commodification is a two-way street. To normalise an idea, activists will tolerate a grifter who fakes a given idea. They defend it/ignore the problem because they gain ideologically from it. Which makes me ask: is the idea at hand actually useful? That's my criticism with modern gender identity theory: is it a useful idea, in sync with reality, that is worth rejecting past wisdom for? Our sexes have an influence on our behaviour. Chemical balances, different brain structures, etc. These aren't strong enough to prioritise over our shared humanity or be considered a part of identity. But they exist: concepts like "girly", "guy talk", "don't break a young girl's heart" etc wouldn't exist if they didn't. Hence why I can accept that masculine and feminine genders have some utility to society. They aren't absolutes, just repeating trends. But what does non-binary look like, mentally? It doesn't have an intrinsic, unique trait: it's just normal human behaviour, that we are calling something else. And for what end? To put the "What you are" above the "Who you are". This is backwards and illiberal: a person's character is their thoughts and actions, not these flavours they express them in. So I'm concerned that nonbinary thinking both has little biological grounding and is philosophically regressive. Am I denying anyone's existence by saying that? I'd say no. You're still a human being: I love and respect them insofar as I do humanity in general. I just don't agree with them on something. Like I do with everyone

[@marfin4325]

"Lovely Complex" is my favorite show that deals with dating someone taller than you

[@thegoggle823]

Had an argument with a marxist a few days ago. I posited that much of the progressive/liberal philosophy today was a derivative of marxism. He argued that no, real marxism is materialistic, and since these movements were based on immaterial concepts they could not be derivative of marxism by definition. He argued that "real" marxists disliked this new liberalism because of how they reuse marxist language and pervert marxist ideas. My counter to that was, marxism is material sure, but these people view those immaterial concepts as material commodities. To them, oppression and privilege and everything else are commodities that can be accumulated and used to determine who the bourgeoise is. The argument went back and forth but mostly he just kept saying it didn't count if they were real materialists, and that equating that movement with marxism is a nazi dogwhistle.

[@EinsamPibroch278]

It's not "Traditional" Family Values, it's CORRECT Family Values, the Only Values that Matter. All Deviations are unacceptable.

[@thhrjdh5564]

I believe the reason why Demi is calling herself they/them is to save her career from that yogurt incident where the yogurt shop was selling sugar free yogurt.