The Complete SECOND AGE of Middle-earth Timeline | Middle-Earth Lore

[@Dr_Cole]

I enjoyed the Cliff notes version more than I thought I might. I’d welcome seeing all of the other times this way.

[@BabyMamaMaker]

Last time I came this early to a video, Aragorn saved Boromir.

[@brycecobble416]

I really like this style of video. It'd be so cool to see the earliest eras of the Silmarillion! Though that's... probably not possible. The timescale alone! Thanks for making these videos, guys! I really hope the new series is good. Hope being the key word.

[@whoisgoobafish9623]

Imagine the resentment that Elendil and the faithful had for Sauron, watching him slowly corrupt their people, making them refugees and now facing him in his true form in Mordor, likewise for Sauron seeing the survivors of numenor that he couldn’t deceive still standing defiantly and now empowered before him after the lengths he went to lol

[@natedorney7032]

Amandil, father of Elendil The Tall took a ship to seek the help of the valar. Amandil was never seen after that but it is believed that he did deliver his message. Before he set off on his quest, he told his son to make ready ships so the faithful could escape the downfall of Numenor.

[@allthatishere]

I just find it comical that Sauron went from a "prisoner of war" to the "right hand man of the king."

[@whoisgoobafish9623]

@@allthatishere only Sauron 😂

[@Manco65]

@@allthatishere well if you actually read all of Tolkien's works and get an idea of the time frame it's not impossible to comprehend. Besides humans have stupidity short memories and are easily corrupted.

[@allthatishere]

@@Manco65 I didn't say it was impossible, I just find it to be comical. I get the gist of what happened and it does make sense.

[@Tolkien.catolico.peru25]

WOOOOOW!!! Perfect video, perfect timing! Thank you!!

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

Excellent as always Mellon! The second age is my favorite age...Keep it up! "Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!!"

[@Kinheimr]

I would love to see a video like this about the first age. And to answer your question, I would like to see an in depth video about the fall of Numenor

[@TheBrokenSword]

I’d love to make one on the First Age too 😁

[@trenthardcastle]

The complete timelines for First, Third & Fourth ages would be fantastic

[@graviaLycan1]

This! I'd love those!

[@inblackestnight9256]

Succinct yet informative. Good work! I would say that the importance of all the elf lords you mentioned can't be bypassed to tell a proper 2nd age story, but the teasers make it seem the show may be doing just that.

[@sambambinohadji9513]

You are doing a great job! Keep up the with the topics.

[@AndrewLawArt]

I just like to thank you guys for the effort and work you put into these videos. ❤️❤️

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thank you so much :D

[@wintersnoob]

You gotta respect Numenor's might. They were the human equivalent to Valinor 's Vanyar and Noldor elves. Whilst Lindon and Eregion elves struggled to hold Sauron, the Numenoreans came to their rescue and kick his ass back to Barad-ur. Then a thousand years later, again with Sauron and his power rebuilt, they form a host, cruise through Harad and kick his ass in Mordor with their power alone and bring him in chains. Imagine how powerful you need to be to cruise through a powerful Mordor and bring back Sauron in chains without much difficulty.

[@kento2851]

Agreed, even though Numenor is already corrupted at this point, you still gotta hand it to them, they truly are Gigachads by marching to Sauron's realm unchallenged and managed to pull out his Maiar @$$ out of his seat of power and like you said not even Elves couldn't even do that shit lol but then again Sauron played a long term Uno reverse on them in return

[@davidchapman4555]

Reliable as usual! When I need something on the second age you got me fam.

[@Ancientreapers]

10:06 Celebrimbor was not killed at the battle of Eregion. He was captured and tortured by Sauron for 2 years. He would still not reveal the location of the 3 elven rings. He died from the torture eventually. The orcs shot up his corpse with arrows and hung him on a pole as a banner.

[@JCO2002]

Another error - the western door of Moria didn't remain closed until the Fellowship entered it. Gandalf had exited from it some time before.

[@valdeschmitt900]

@@JCO2002 no no, they are kinda correct... It was never open from OUTSIDE untill the fellowship. Just a little mistake from the narrator/text.

[@goshlike76]

This is the Second Age we want to see. Quality video.

[@crossharp7814]

A similar video on the First Age be nice. I really enjoyed this one. Good overview focusing on highlights without neglecting "connecting" material. You do a great job on these videos. I've recently discovered the channel, and become a regular viewer.

[@KamilMurzyn]

Something about Doors of Durin - they were opened before the Fellowship of the Ring. For example Gandalf ventured Moria before and said he exit the mines from inside.

[@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored]

Thanks

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thank you so much :D

[@rebeccacutts7290]

You gained a new follower with this. I'm going to go back and watch more. But more of this style would be great!

[@Huskytabby]

What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?

[@Ruisreallyreallytall]

Just love these videos! Thank you for sharing! I find myself nodding along and agreeing with you so often :)

[@ossianwright258]

Great Video as always

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thanks!

[@eggcorn0x]

After all that time, all it took was to speak friend to open it. Some incredible door hinge engineering right there

[@Daangalf]

I would love such a breakdown of the other Ages too :)

[@Caniac76]

Thanks for making this. It really helps to have this in mind for the show.

[@mikelgrillo3378]

I greatly enjoyed this style. Please continue.

[@markbarlow4296]

Thanks for making the video. Really useful background to guide me through ROP. Love the channel 👍👍

[@teamsteed1]

Thank you for posting the video. I've always wondered about the timeline of middle earth.

[@trent5641]

Love this style of video awesome great work love to see it for other ages

[@Alex9971000]

The last time I was this early, one could simply walk into Mordor

[@Licht.von.Stein.]

Could you do a video comparing this timeline to the Rings of Power? Let's see how different the story is from the works of Tolkien.

[@istari0]

Well, considering the showrunners have said they are compressing the 2nd Age timeline for at least the major events to within one human, presumably Númenórean lifetime, there are major changes for that alone.

[@unpopularopinion5022]

amazon has condensed the timelines a lot so that there are not many human deaths , thus they would only show main characters.

[@unpopularopinion5022]

@@allthatishere i think given how little info and how big gaps in lore are about the 2nd age. its not a surprise that majority would be original characters.

[@cmcculloch1]

Im not sure he would be able to do a 5 hour video....

[@eduardosalazarsotomayor9629]

Please do more "what ifs" Ps: love your vids

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thank you 😁

[@lotsofspots]

10:50 not true, the Western doors of Moria could be quite easily opened from the inside, Gandalf and Aragorn had both previously travelled through the mines that way, having entered from the East.

[@OpticZodiac15]

Thanks for this I’m learning a lot getting ready for September!!

[@leonardofaber5823]

Good video

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thank you!

[@bradylewis1037]

Good to see Goldar on the thumbnail

[@TheBrokenSword]

🤣🤣🤣

[@milanprtvar6327]

Great video! You could really make similar videos for all the previous and following ages.

[@HoistxthexColorsxfan]

This was SO helpful, if you did this style more I would definitely appreciate it!

[@autumnleaves240]

Subscriber request: Id love a deep dive into the first and last kings of Nunenor, elronds twin brother and AR Pharazon

[@joshnixon3257]

Yes, please more timeline videos. They are very helpful!

[@InsideTheProduct]

I'm not sure i will watch the show, I'm way too much into Tolkien stories to see them changed :D Having said that, I would love to see the founding of Lindon and Eregion realms, as well as what on earth is Maglor doing, that could be something the show could speculate with... you can always hope ;)

[@JdK3R]

Great video, 3rd will be watched if added!!

[@Jackrabbit9961]

The sinking of Numenor should be incredible.

[@natedorney7032]

They hopefully will show the queen struggling to reach the summit of menaltarma so she could make one last desperate plea to the valar before she too was lost in the downfall... That would probably be one of the saddest scenes for me but it was no less important.

[@markodevaio6972]

Very nice video .. can't wait to see the third age in a video like this one ⚘️

[@WhoIsCalli]

I enjoyed this, many thanks. Yes.. please do timelines for other ages too 😊

[@Folsson]

Would be awesome to see Sauron being captured and start manupulating the numenors! Also perfect video before the series, thanks!

[@stephdegoede8316]

This summary is better than the entire rings of power show

[@borisbadaxe9678]

I missed the part in Tolkien's writings where the Elves need mithril to keep them from fading.

[@fitzgeraldfilmsMN]

Awesome! I’m very excited for the show. It’s these main timeline moments that I’m most excited for. There may be a lot that feels filler or doesn’t work well but I hope these main moments are executed well.

[@sitroom8922]

"... Not received well..." Greatest understatement of all times. Lol, loved this time line of the 2nd age.

[@mikemallory8892]

Keep it up I love listen to the Insight that you give.

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thanks! Will do 😊

[@TheFearlessFew]

Can we get a Smaug vs Balrog What If versus battle breakdown!?

[@peterscaglione1345]

I enjoyed this presentation! Please do same for all ages of Middle Earth. Thank you!!

[@nikolajwinther5955]

Always wondered why the second age didn't end with the drowning of Numenor. A much more cataclysmic event than the defeat of Sauron in the war of the last alliance.

[@1Drakorn]

I think it's because, so far, all ages have ended when the respective Dark Lord was vanquished. First Age ended with Morgoth's defeat, Second Age ended with Sauron's defeat, Third Age ended with Sauron's final defeat.

[@lied1484]

Thouroughly enjoyed it! Thanks

[@00martoneniris86]

The fall of Eregion

[@CarolinaPine]

Yes, the fall of Eregion, as well as the fall of Numenor.

[@jameskirk3]

Gonna have to start that one right over again lol. Sounds like ROP is starting about the year 3000

[@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored]

This is by far the best video on the 2nd age. Beautiful I wish to donate please share the link.

[@gsmith1135]

Thanks for putting this out. I appreciate tubers throwing out content for us followers. Trying to figure out when Rings of Power is taking place. It sounds like 3255 but a lot of the show story sounds earlier since the Numenor act like they have gone to ME recently at all (going off the timeline for them in Umbar).

[@pedrovargas2181]

ROP is an emetic fanfic that happens only in the writers's empty heads.

[@shovelchop81bikeralex52]

Very comprehensive and helpful thank you! Really makes me wonder why the amazon 'Rings Of Power' teasers haven't alluded to ANY of this! In fact looking back on the teasers they seem to be covering a completely different or alternative timeline.

[@lizziesmusicmaking]

The rings of power showrunners seem to have decided to massively compress the timeline to create something quite different from what Tolkien wrote. They aren't using the canon timeline at all.

[@Scrotom]

Add to the list: a deep dive into the specific Catholic/Christian theological concepts that Tolkien was mirroring in so many scenes! You did a similar video, but it was a more broad and cursory review of all Tolkien's influences. I think the Catholic theology he injected were so numerous and specific that you could almost make a separate channel for just that.

[@Ganjasmith]

very cool video style!

[@johnw1640]

Hello, and thank you for the video. It confirmed what i read online and brings me to my question. What is up with LOTR: Rings of Power? What I mean is the show does not appear to follow the timeline. The show starts before the establishment of Mordor, and creation of the rings, yet Elendil and his son Isildur also exist? There appears to be a huge amount of artistic license being used here by bringing characters and events together that are thousands of years apart. Would you be able to enlighten as to why this was done? The articles I found online regarding the show do not address this glaring rewriting of the legendarium.

[@Usapyon_0719]

if you have not already can you please make one of the first age? This one was great. Actually seeing all the timelines would really be great, but seeing the first age is the one i am interested in seeing next :) :)

[@jackthehumanofficial]

yes please do the first age also!!!!!!! 💛💛💛💛💛

[@toddfeather5760]

I would love to see elros leaving Elrond in one flash back from Elrond point of view and the last ever scene of the last season should be the last alliance marching to face saurons forces but I can’t wait to see isildur stealing the white tree sapling from numenor myself and the great flood but also seeing sauron make the ring himself

[@MagnaMater2]

Yes, and looking at the first pictures I thought the actor they gave us as 'Celebrimbor' would have been better suited as Elros, aged up compared to his twin.

[@pedrovargas2181]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 nyet Not with the pile of dung the Rings of Pamper have done.

[@jackthehumanofficial]

amazing

[@Khajiitt]

Great video, thanks.

[@MagnaMater2]

I can see them cutting the thing with the Tar-&Ar- Kings short and the whole Civil-War with the Faithful & Kingsmen playing out between Elendil, Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon.

[@Theelby33]

Love your videos and yes please do the third age.

[@jonahroberts9924]

The first age is interesting and like to now more about it and this a really great video my favorite one at least.

[@JCO2002]

I expect that Amazon's "adaptation" will bring interest in the Second Age to an end. Perhaps it will be revived in the future if it gets proper treatment.

[@karllorenzobabiano6328]

I never heard a name "galadriel" in this video. Maybe I just failed to hear it. Meanwhile all I see is galadriel in this new Amazon fan fiction.

[@aldunlop4622]

She has very little to do with any of it. She basically doesn't trust Sauron and later she takes a ring and some seeds to Lothlorien and plants the big trees. End of story.

[@kento2851]

Galadriel along with her husband Celeborn was actually just chilling themselves during the entire events of the 2nd Age like they did in the 1st Age. All she ever did was when Gil-Galad & Celebrimbor (before his death) decided that Galadriel should be the one to entrust the Elven Ring Nenya and thus took it💍 did not participate during the wars of Sauron and instead was just chilling, tending and protecting her own realm of Lothlorien the entire time and that was it, nothing special. The one from Amazon is just pure Fan-fiction of an abomination (whoever thought of that disgrace of a show should get incinerate themselves to Smaug or the Balrogs TBH lol 😆, any true Tolkien fan knows that show doesn't really exist and thus will forever be known as Fan-fiction and not part of the great lore that Tolkien created)

[@slash1987rhm]

I am looking forward to the scenery in the TV series. For example, Eregion, Arnor, Numenor, flashbacks to Beleriand 😍😍😍

[@ProdicalMan]

What good is scenery when the story will be 💩

[@Otababallin]

I’d love to see the story of Tuor & the story of Glorfindel as well

[@hudsonball4702]

I'm not holding my breath for TroP to be anything close to good.

[@willffre]

i always keep asking how precisely the edain got blessed, either the moment when they entered numenor or over the generations of edain born on numenor got stronger older and taller

[@leonardofaber5823]

The moment they started learning from Eonwë the blessing was given

[@willffre]

@@leonardofaber5823 aha i see thanks so i could asume it was the later generations thats learned most of those blessings?

[@leonardofaber5823]

@@willffre the Edain were the founding fathers of the Númenórëans. So not the later generations, but the very first ones

[@willffre]

@@leonardofaber5823 ah thanks for clearing that up for me

[@blaircolquhoun7780]

Nice video. Thank you.

[@LordMinato2900]

Can you please do a timeline video for the third age?

[@nightshadehelis9821]

I have a stupid question, I've never read the books and only have watched the movies a million times, but I was wondering about king Theoden from the two towers right before he rides out into battle. He says "where is the horse and the rider?" What was this about? How did he know? Was there a prophecy or something? Also, right before he's turned back into himself by the white wizard, he calls Gandalf "stormcrow". What did that mean?

[@leonardofaber5823]

"Stormcrow" is an ill way to say Gandalf only brings bad News and unfortunate events. "Where is the horse and the rider" is part of a poem in the books, where the old days of Rohirrim are retold

[@natedorney7032]

The words of Grima Wormtongue: "ill news is an ill guest".

[@anardistformerlynigel5250]

I'm glad that more people are being introduced to Tolkien and especially his works outside the events of The Hobbit & The Lord Of The Rings. I'm looking forward to the new show and seeing how other people imagine it all.

[@annaroselarsen4218]

Awesome video

[@4Bobay]

I really enjoyed this video. I've always been curious about the Kingdom of Lindon and how the Noldor chose to live in For-Lindon, ( North of the Lune) while the Sindar lived in Har-Lindon.( South of the Lune) Again, thank you for your videos.

[@mynameismin3]

Please do all other ages of Arda. Others have done them, but I want to see your take on it.

[@Fonn160]

I would love to see a video about the fall of eregion

[@alannolan5126]

yes do this kind of video for First Age and Third age

[@LeavesOfTelperion]

I am VERY excited to see the Lord of Gifts befriending Celebrimbor and deceiving the elves to create the rings of power.

[@welsh-cymru1588]

Bit underwhelmed with the casting for celebrimbor in the new TV series I always imagined celebrimbor in silver and blue elvish armor and long black sleek hair the guy in the rings of power looks like a normal guy you would see on the street with short brown hair

[@natedorney7032]

Three of the Nazgul were men from the mighty race of Numenor. My guess is that the Witch King was one of those three along with Kamul The Easterling and possibly Gothmog.

[@unpopularopinion5022]

i am guessing halbrand will become one of the nazgul

[@johnnyedelhoff5866]

Khamul the Easterling was, surprisingly, an Easterling

[@natedorney7032]

@@johnnyedelhoff5866 the black numenoreans also did settle among the Easterlings and the Haradrim. So my comment isn't off the mark.

[@johnnyedelhoff5866]

@@natedorney7032 yes but the that he's known as THE Easterling suggests that he's an Easterling. Also the name Khamûl doesn't sound very Númenorean

[@natedorney7032]

@@johnnyedelhoff5866 it could be a name given to him by the easterlings.

[@kckaz4453]

Well done, M8

[@chrisbrooke2746]

Just a correction, the Doors of Durin ( the Westgate ) would have been opened by Balin's people ( remember the comments in the book of Marzubul regarding the watcher in the water?) also Gandalf opened it ( from inside Moria) as per his comments when trying to open the door during the Fellowship

[@NightSoul30]

Loved the style keep doing them this way very easy to follow and learn from Would love to see someone bring to life the story of Beren and luthien Rings of power have already messed up the numenor timeline too much which really ruins a lot of their story but the biggest part for me that they can’t mess up is portraying sairons ability to manipulate. They have to make it believable and make him look powerful that way

[@LordTelperion]

Can't wait to see the War of the Elves and Sauron and the fall of Ost-in-Edhil. So many powerful High Elves there...it must have been epic.

[@massacritica5135]

So the the Rings of Power happens circa 1200 and Sauron will appear to elfs (Celebrimbor and Gil Galad) as Annatar?

[@NH-so3eu]

The show is going to be consolidating this entire several-thousand-year history into its however many seasons, unfortunately.

[@joseparedes2391]

Imagine how Sauron must have laugh in the middle of the chaos, as the wave engulfed all of Numenor

[@maxisto333]

I would love a timeline video about the others ages

[@paolos22]

In answer to your question, the essential part has to be the last alliance, however this clearly wont come in the first season. The emergence of Sauron, the alliance of Aldarion and Gil-Galad, and the arrival of Anatar. One thing I hope gets covered in the series eventually, with much room for creative licence is the emergence of the lords, kings and sorcerers who become the ring wraiths.

[@stevemcleroy3947]

Well done.

[@francishaight2062]

That is ONE. LONG. HISTORY! But I love it, thank you for taking the time to present it this way! I have a question. So, in the year 1600 SA, Sauron finally forges the one Ring to Rule Them All, right? The epic battle in which Isildur chops the ring off Sauron’s finger is 3431 SA? And during this roughly 1700 year interval there are all kinds of epic battles where the Dark Lord himself can say, like the rest of us “you win some, you lose some!”? He even gets taken prisoner and frog-marched to Numenor, where he bides his time (for how long?) long enough to snooker the king into making him an advisor there and to convert the populace to worshippers of Morgoth! Etc… Given the almost maniacal urgency with which the Council of Elrond would shove the Fellowship of the Ring out towards Mt. Doom in the 3rd Age, I would have expected much more dire and immediate consequences for his enemies when Sauron had initially completed the forging of his One Ring way, way back in 1600 of the second age. Like, within minutes. So what am I missing here? Thanks to this channel and others like it, you guys have revived my love of Tolkien’s life-long work on this amazing saga. Now I can’t let it go, thank you very much! Cheers!

[@QCMP]

The situation is very different between the two ages. There were only a few Noldor left in Middle-Earth in the late Third Age, but there was an entire kingdom of Noldor (Lindon) in the Second Age. Even Gondor at it's peak (~1000 TA) was only a shadow of the glory of Numenor, and Gondor in the late Third Age was a shadow of it's former glory. Khazad-dum was trashed by Durin's Bane in 1980 TA, and the Dwarves were reduced in strength and numbers.

[@francishaight2062]

@@QCMP that’s a very good and concise explanation and I like it! The differences between these 2 ages as you describe them must have really been something! I figured it had to be something like that, but it’s also occurred to me that, along with these external differences, perhaps Sauron had invested so much of his power into the ring that it would take time for him to then acquire the kind of frightful leverage worthy of the ring’s power and which he had intended. And, in the meantime, he still managed to really come out and create some grief: to go from prisoner to advisor in Numenor; then convince its men to start worshiping middle earth’s equivalent of Lucifer; and then get them to attack the good guys in Aman. I’m guessing Iluvatar’s sinking of Numenor subsequently is a good indication of Sauron’s crescendoing mischief. Put another way, when the ring is finally cut from his finger, what’s immediately left of him is practically nothing-suggesting how much power was now in that thing. Fast forward 3 millennia. He’s STILL without that thing, and yet… just imagine the combined power between the ring itself and what Sauron had amassed in the meantime! That makes sense to me. Yikes.

[@SlideRulePirate]

9:12 I've seen that pic before and the more I see it, the more 'Mr Morden' I think it looks.