I appreciate Proffesor Vladeck holding his line and focusing on substance of the discussion. It is lamentable that Judge Jones chose to turn this into a personal attack. And make a live demonstration of what judges should not do.
@mlysiak2 ай бұрын
The whole point of the Federalist Society is to appoint politically conservative judges while simultaneously insisting that judges are not political and criticizing anyone who says they are. The reason Vladeck's critiques cause so much ire is because judge shopping is a natural consequence of the Federal Society's goal. The 5th circuit can't reasonably explain why overtly political republican litigants keep choosing them to hear their cases without giving away the game. So they attack the messenger.
@BradSmithBriefer2 ай бұрын
Perfect.
@HisMajesty9842 ай бұрын
Exactly, he pointed out the real game, and she couldn’t take it.
@danielmiller90122 ай бұрын
They rule in accordance to the constitution, unlike leftists who make up rights out of thin air to push their agenda. Cope and seethe, 4 more years.
@KeenanCrow2 ай бұрын
Judge Jones’ speech here is a perfect example of missing the forest for the trees
@PamOrl2 ай бұрын
Good on Vladeck for his final comments. Judge Jones apparently has a problem differentiating factual criticism from "personal attacks", and very crotchety about anyone questioning judges. Damn.
@kjam17092 ай бұрын
God Bless Steve Vladeck
@jimnugent38512 ай бұрын
I like how almost immediately after Edith Jones' says "concerns about superannuated judges are not to be taken serious[ly]" (1:41:17), James Ho expresses puzzlement about what a QR code is. This video-particularly Jones' myopic, closeminded, imperious claims-actually confirms my opinion that we need term limits.
@alex-brs2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately they're unconstitutional.
@luismijares14612 ай бұрын
The 5th circuit hacks are really mad at Steve
@frjimt22862 ай бұрын
Maybe because they hold to the law.... And he'd prefer to rewrite
@danielmiller90122 ай бұрын
Cope.
@luismijares14612 ай бұрын
@@frjimt2286 lol
@WickD4222 ай бұрын
Dear Judge Jones, there are many, many substantive criticisms of the rulings of Texas judges and the 5th Circuit. Pretending it is all a personal attack is sophistry. Do better.
@Melm._._.--melm2 ай бұрын
Damn Steve is a hero.
@nafowler2 ай бұрын
If Vladeck’s points are so bad then simply argue them and you should win.
@DEATHLRD2 ай бұрын
I like how the questions from the audience are endless monologues from people who love to hear themselves talk.
@gigabad54392 ай бұрын
So these judges aren't corrupt, there's not a whiff of it in judge shopping et cetera. But she's strongly against people being able to see who funds amicus briefs. Why? Are the judgements something that would make people mad???
@davidsensenig75402 ай бұрын
I kept waiting to hear Judge Jones plead, "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!" 😂😂😂
@RyanReft-v7g2 ай бұрын
Is is me or Judge Jones actually bolsters the professors point? I'm not clear on what she was trying to argue.
@Guitarman12752 ай бұрын
Judge Jones: How dare Prof. Vladeck scrutinize questionable and easily gamed features of the federal court system! His work has been nothing more than outrageous personal attacks on distinguished members of the bench! Judge Kacsmaryk has five kids! *a few minutes later* Judge Newman: All of my colleagues on the Federal Circuit have conspired to silence me. Judge Jones: *effusively applauds*
@Theo_Caro2 ай бұрын
Conservativism is a politics of grievance. Hearing the grievance in their rhetoric should tell you that these people are not serious jurists. They are hacks.
@HisMajesty9842 ай бұрын
As Rodney Dangerfield famously said, “you must have been something before electricity.” 😅🤣😂😭
@ianwgrant2 ай бұрын
"the Federalist Society takes no position on particular legal or public policy issues" LoL.
@kplummer32462 ай бұрын
I noticed that too. Comical, but in a tragic way.
@asilverman61212 ай бұрын
I love these judges who show up to an event held by a right-wing political organization to which they are connected to announce their lack of political bias.
@danielmiller90122 ай бұрын
Liberal judges are far more political, ROe v Wade legal reasoning is a laughing stock.
@davenash1547Ай бұрын
Even worse are people like Vladeck who help legitimize these partisans by unilaterally “debating” in good faith.
@iamkanai2 ай бұрын
Kudos to Steve
@SaucerheadTharp2 ай бұрын
Musk moved his legal venue for all cases to one judge that holds stock in his company. That not a problem?
@jem76362 ай бұрын
Jones seems obsessed with Vladeck.
@VeeDub20002 ай бұрын
She is, because she knows she is wrong and he is right
@robertsepp45462 ай бұрын
legalpdf AI fixes this. The Continued Independence of Judiciary
@ianator1822 ай бұрын
Someone said that good judges have thick skin. Oh well!
@Shelley-ry9ib2 ай бұрын
When judges take money or own stock from individuals or corporations, then make rulings involving those individuals or corporations, there is a problem with the judicial system. The ethics standards are nonexistent for some Supreme Court justices.
@nafowler2 ай бұрын
1:26:44 plaintiffs taking advantage of judge shopping is not the same as judge shopping being allowed. Is it really so hard to fix this? What is the resistance?
@jsstiven2 ай бұрын
Wow, Judge, you are awfully defensive and whiny about not just Vladek but ACLU and more. Good Lord.
@ericb34522 ай бұрын
Edith Jones is really embarrassing. Playing the victim card by a federal judge is a bit of a throw up in your mouth moment.
@nafowler2 ай бұрын
This is so embarrassing for fed society. It’s cringe cringe cringe
@PamOrl2 ай бұрын
Shanmugam: “We should have debates about what the ethical rules for justices & lower court judges should be”. Let’s start with the ethics rules for federal judges… “Code of Conduct for United States Judges” Canon 2A An appearance of impropriety occurs when reasonable minds, with knowledge of all the relevant circumstances disclosed by a reasonable inquiry, would conclude that the judge’s honesty, integrity, impartiality, temperament, or fitness to serve as a judge is impaired. Public confidence in the judiciary is eroded by irresponsible or improper conduct by judges, including harassment and other inappropriate workplace behavior. A judge must avoid all impropriety and appearance of impropriety. This prohibition applies to both professional and personal conduct. A judge must expect to be the subject of constant public scrutiny and accept freely and willingly restrictions that might be viewed as burdensome by the ordinary citizen. Because it is not practicable to list all prohibited acts, the prohibition is necessarily cast in general terms that extend to conduct by judges that is harmful although not specifically mentioned in the Code. Actual improprieties under this standard include violations of law, court rules, or other specific provisions of this Code.
@PamOrl2 ай бұрын
I found Judge Newman’s “question” heartbreaking. So I looked into her issue…. “Federal Circuit Judge Pauline Newman on Tuesday said she plans to press forward in her legal battle to regain her full judicial duties, even after the 97-year-old jurist’s federal lawsuit against her colleagues was dismissed earlier in the day. Newman was benched in September 2023 in a unanimous vote of her colleagues on the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit following a series of reports from court staff that led them to question her memory and temperament. Newman refused to submit to court-ordered medical testing, which the court’s Judicial Council said frustrated their attempts to determine if she was fit to continue serving on the bench”.
@richardgillespie95492 ай бұрын
She couldn’t take the hint that she needed to retire. Just more evidence of these ego-centric judges.
@breeak3382 ай бұрын
The judiciary has earned the distrust of intelligent ethical people who can look at conflicts of interest being ignored and see how that destructive that is. I understand that a biased court was always the fed soc goal though and this is just “moi!!!” Bs to try to deflect accountability. Congrats on destroying one of the most impressive
@FlatPatty-v2s2 ай бұрын
Note to party planner: Don't sit Vladeck and Jones next to each other next year.
@yonatanben-chaim97472 ай бұрын
This was incredibly spicy
@petarichkus55472 ай бұрын
Guess what, Judge Jones. Why YOUR judges are not defended? You are INDEFENSIBLE!
@lyledal2 ай бұрын
Judge Jones is a real piece of work. FFS, she's awful.
@gnucker2 ай бұрын
Settle down, Edith!! lol
@nafowler2 ай бұрын
lol “I have file of all your tweets” is always ad hominem. 😂
@frjimt22862 ай бұрын
Yup, if it comes from the right you jump with your suspenders.... If it's the left, it's OK.
@RyanReft-v7g2 ай бұрын
Judge Jones, please read more tweets from your notes, super exciting for a panel discussion!
@ruslang5545Ай бұрын
Good job steve vladeck!
@Theo_Caro2 ай бұрын
A 5 minute rant about mean tweets from a sitting federal appealate judge is not something I ever thought I would see. This is an embarrassment to the profession.
@emjones8092Ай бұрын
Holy shit. Shanmugam's point is literally: "criticism of how our legal practice is questionable/potentially eroding the judicial institution is what is responsible for the erosion of the legal institution". All while McConnell has the gall to say that "bullies" are the first to cry foul... I'm so exhausted by these people
@danielcappell2 ай бұрын
The Hon. Pauline Newman is older than the Academy Awards.
@catch405072 ай бұрын
The idea that judges are cleared of impropriety by litigants not challenging their bias is ridiculous. All you do is piss the judge off lol
@thekenanski878927 күн бұрын
Judge Jones makes a very compelling case in support of Vladeck.
@allyjmjm2 ай бұрын
Wow at the idea that Twitter is the main forum for intellectual debates and leaving Twitter (full of sexual content and spam now) is opting out of intellectual debate
@TheRm652 ай бұрын
Did they serve cheese with this whine?
@andrewmcletchie6072Ай бұрын
It’s more than passing strange that Judge Jones seems to apprehend that Prof. Vladeck’s argument re: judge shopping is not that the judges in question are behaving unethically, but that we are operating within a system the rules of which allow, even encourage judge shopping. His prescription for the problem, as argued in many fora, is not that any judge should change her/his behavior, but that reform of the rules is necessary to maintain the integrity of the judiciary. None of the examples of ostensible personal attacks she cited was, in fact, an attack on any person.
@andrewmcletchie6072Ай бұрын
Seem NOT to apprehend, that is (The KZbins wouldn’t allow me to edit the post 🤦♂)
@michaell25942 ай бұрын
These are shockingly inappropriate and partisan comments by Judge Jones. And defending senile Judge Newman tells us everything we need to know.
@nafowler2 ай бұрын
Im not a lawyer but casual listener to legal stuff bc I find it interesting. I listen to advisory opinions pod and judge Ho’s interview was the only one that really annoyed me. I’m at the start of this video and he annoys me here as well. Some conservative judges appointed by Trump are really thoughtful & reasonable in interviews yet still conservative (Newsom, Willett for example) but I found Ho to simply sound like a bad politician. I’m sure he’s a smart guy but nothing about the way he speaks conveys “judge”. You lose points with me when you are using media stories about Alitos dumb flags to discuss judicial ethics reform and judicial legitimacy. This is the part of the right I cannot stand. Stop telling me everything is unfair to you before answering (or avoiding) every question. You are a powerful judge - give me real and thoughtful answers. Even if you think the alito flag story was BS, don’t assume everyone thinks that way and don’t assume everything is bad faith. For the sake of the argument steel man it and then answer it. Don’t just tell me it’s everyone else that is illegitimate. Why would you want to waste your power being political instead of having some great, thoughtful idea on the judiciary that would earn respect from all corners.
@racontoor2 ай бұрын
Ho is on the short list for Supreme Court Justice.
@andrewmcletchie6072Ай бұрын
As KZbin wouldn’t allow me to edit or delete the post below, wanted to note my error in the first line…Its more than passing strange that Judge Jones seems NOT to apprehend…
@petarichkus55472 ай бұрын
Shanmugam is Case 1!
@sdrosea23 күн бұрын
She’s a nasty piece of work. And they made Steve sit next to her.
@HankLacey-g1w2 ай бұрын
But isn't it fair to ask whether judges are truly insulated from politics and making principled decisions based on law when they are attending lobbyist-financed soires and hanging out with ideologues on the right, to say nothing of getting their nominations in no small part due to far-right influencers and billionaires?
@darbymckilkannoncaid32792 ай бұрын
Honestly, Jones’s remarks are quite embarrassing. Easily the least polished and organized.
@darbymckilkannoncaid32792 ай бұрын
omigod it just got worse and worse. is that what passes as judicial temperament these days?
@EvilMagnitude2 ай бұрын
Just another hack judge who thinks the robes make them a higher being.
@catherinepeters69022 ай бұрын
She apparently likes the smell of her own breath.
@timwilson68842 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear about the Hon. Edith H. Jones's wardrobe malfunction - it really is uncomfortable to have your knickers in a twist.
@elisemcbride98582 ай бұрын
Judge shopping goes back to the Garden of Eden? Are we taking about fairy tales or law? She's a tool.
@heatherc2939Ай бұрын
Judge Jones, shame. Vladek is right.
@caloebs2 ай бұрын
Epps vs Publius
@BadgeredWitness2 ай бұрын
Why is she so obsessed with Steve lol
@BadgeredWitness2 ай бұрын
1:17:17 YOUR HONOR you have a STEVE VLADEK BURN BOOK bahahahahaha. Complete with printed tweets.
@sherryjensen-mason84572 ай бұрын
Gosh, she REALLY doesn't like Prof Vladeck!
@RFSJ2 ай бұрын
Yeah Judge Jones, yeah it was ad hominem.
@nathanpowell15002 ай бұрын
wE'rE a CoUnTrY oF lAwS
@Phil-D832 ай бұрын
At 1h and 3 minutes or so; A bit of a word salad from an annoyed judge. What she (and justice ho) are saying, in a less then eloquent manner, is that many modern nonesense concepts pushed by irresponsible legal academics are anathematic to the proper administration of justice (for a judge that takes their duties seriously). All the noise aside, they are telling us all something that we should take seriously.
@VirgilZandig2 ай бұрын
Edith Jones rocks. Thank you, judge! If a panel isn't a war, it's not a good panel.