The Convincing Villainy of Funny Valentine

[@feta_cheesecake]

Not to mention that all of his filthy acts were performed at a reasonably low price, therefore protecting the economic integrity of the United States of America

[@johans3164]

Slow clap to you, my good sir

[@muhamadrizal4]

That is D4C for you

[@trinhhieu6270]

I think you mean F3ARP

[@seeknprotect6179]

And god bless America, you guys are gonna need that integrity soon

[@sus4710]

@@trinhhieu6270 FA3RP

[@dracopo8862]

Valentine: *We should take american problems and push them somewhere else*

[@nillynush4899]

as a member inside America's borders, I have no problem with Valentine's goal.

[@dupin9251]

@@nillynush4899 Fine. Then i will become the next Bundeskanzler of Germany and do the same thing. Wait! Didn't that already happen?

[@michawrona593]

@@dupin9251 ummm, you know that the 3rd Reich didnt push their problems onto others, but actively removed the others? Thats kind of a difference...

[@CreeperGameTech]

When you hit the replies of a spongebob meme and see political arguments

[@alexdias4319]

I am already seeing what is happening

[@BlastHero101]

“the sections showing him doing dirty deeds or otherwise filthy acts” I see what you did there

[@archise3191]

Filthy act at a reasonable price

[@Reragi]

at a reasonable price, or cheap.

[@aaronnguyen4506]

filthy favors for favorable fees

[@gabeelkins9059]

Disgusting feats for pennies in the dollar

[@kertchu]

Kensler Gaming Filthy Acts that cost very little

[@thefluff5728]

IMO Johnny's insecurity is another reason why people think Valentine is the real Hero. Not only does Valentine's intense belief in himself make him seem righteous, but Johnny's lack of charisma and inability to explain his goals make us second-guess him. It's hard to have faith in a hero if the hero doesn't have it in himself.

[@diegovera1353]

The Fluff And also many people believe he did all that just to be able to walk again, but it’s more than that, he wanted to change and become a better person, by the end of SBR he wasn’t fighting Valentine so he could get his legs back, he was fighting him cause he knew such power couldn’t be trusted to someone like Valentine, Funny Valentine offered Johnny to bring back Gyro, which would change nothing, gyro is still dead, the presence of an alt Gyro would be only beneficial for Johnny since he misses him, but still he did what was right at the end

[@_cripticon8004]

This is why he is my favourite jojo, bc he goes from not knowing himself to having a strong philosophy on life and having a true resolve to do what’s right, especially in the jojo lion flashbacks. He sure gets back to zero, and then goes beyond into infinity

[@divineshinobi1791]

@@_cripticon8004 Same here.

[@ryu246]

Johnathan ans Johnny had the most fucked up life, in my opinion.. i can't but love and have respect for Johnny, his character development is amazing. that's why he's one of my favourite jojo

[@TheWooow666]

and then Giro fucking dies !!!!!!!!

[@pinkpuff8562]

A Good *_Character_* Doesn’t Have To Be A *_Good_* Character

[@krokodil7057]

Zeb why

[@Abdega]

Thanks Zangeif

[@simonj6801]

True

[@stubetsgamer8288]

@@krokodil7057 it just works.

[@emoshrek8902]

I want to put this quote on a shirt or tatoo it in my forehead.

[@SoundWave3214]

President Valentine did nothing wrong! Oceaniz: He forced himself on an underage girl. President Valentine did *almost* nothing wrong!

[@katsu890]

Including mine, he would fuck my country. I'd hunt him to the ends of the earth if he fucked with me. No mercy or remorse.

[@cthulhubecausewhynot1182]

Ultimate Kars You wouldn’t be able to do SHIT to Valentine with Love Train.

[@katsu890]

@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 I don't care, my sacrifice would inspire others to do the same

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

@@katsu890 what country would that be, the one you completely destroyed yourself anyway? and how exactly do you expect get to earth from the ice ball in outer space you're stuck in? no offence mate, but you really don't seem to have thought this through.

[@katsu890]

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 I'm not speaking as a character, if someone went to my country to make the US better at the cost of making my life worse and harming my country, say under the influence of Valentine's ideology, I'd hunt them relentlessly with anyone else attempting to do the same thing

[@CraneoHR]

A paraplegic, some random italian guy, a guy(? and a dinosore want to stop the president from taking a napkin is quite possibly the best story ever told

[@themightypancake5695]

You forgot there's also a nun trying to stop him

[@carrier2823]

Joao Luiz Kurianski Freitas Santos no it’s a nun PRETENDING to be a guy. Mulan style

[@critica77y77]

Don't forget Eminem.

[@landedsea6659]

Gyro? Is that you?

[@texasred9372]

TheMightyPancake bro why you spell dinosaur like that

[@TheShuckmeister]

D4C didn’t always have clear rules... *insert Vietnam flashbacks to reveal arc*

[@Oceaniz]

Who shot Johnny Joestar aka Why is logic broke

[@ayoaro1813]

The real question is who didn't shot Jhonny.

[@boianko]

Let's also not forget that one time where three Valentines with three D4Cs that fought Diego.

[@sagoruzemo9557]

Who/how/where/when shot jhony joestar.

[@therommy1293]

Hey look, it’s my favorite jojo youtuber

[@burnsideex5949]

"In the JoJo arc Steel Ball Run, the major villian is the deeply patriotic President Valentine, and from that perspective his stated goals may be more just-- in fact, I suspect his intentions line up with those of our real-world leaders. But he's willing to sacrifice powerless people to achieve just ends, and that part of his character is, to the minds of the protagonist and the reader, unquestionably and unforgivably evil. Because of this, the character of President Valentine could never be the protagonist. I think this also serves as a good example of a point I made earlier-- that readers wont empathize with a coward." -Hirohiko Araki (Manga in Theory and Practice)

[@santhiagorocha8719]

Araki think the readers are better than they really are.

[@samuelsurfboard9887]

@@santhiagorocha8719 It's wiser to treat your readers to be smarter than they are.

[@santhiagorocha8719]

I know

[@diegobrando3409]

Yeah funny valentine is many things, a coward is not one of them.

[@canaldecasta]

@@diegobrando3409 "I wont shoot you" *hides pistol behind him*

[@raccoonavi]

He's a bad guy that's so good at presenting himself as a good guy, that he's convinced himself, his country, and a lot of his audience that he is one.

[@ElMango14]

A good villian

[@statiiccassius3656]

nah man, he’s just doing what’s best for everyone in his country soldiers kill in war that doesn’t make them bad guys there fighting for there own family and country.

[@HienPham-ow5ky]

I agree with you

[@aaryadeshmukh8262]

Bruh

[@sadsworth4605]

He still is a hero he just has some bizzare tendancies at times 😂 but don't we all

[@emeraldpichu1]

D4C Love Train Second Caboose: Otherworldly Propaganda

[@sock312]

Emeraldpichu imagine the Stroheim theme starts playing

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

You know what's funny? You'd never think it, but Diavolo and Valentine both had the same fatal flaw: They believed that fate itself was on their side.

[@almostsaladofcaesar6884]

Kira, Pucci, hell, even DIO had that flaw

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

@@almostsaladofcaesar6884 Well, Kira moreso believed that luck was on his side through hardship, not that he was destined for greatness or victory. And Dio moreso believed that he was on top because he had proven himself to be so and that he has the power to. He doesn't really use fate to justify his actions. But with Valentine and Diavolo, they believe that everything that has happened and is going to happen is preordained for them to assume the position that fate has in store for them.

[@byronmarcrodriguez2040]

I agree strongly because the moment they say that they get beaten by the protagonist one way or another

[@inLemonA]

@@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555 diavolo didnt believe but he saw it

[@Cartoteka]

Hmmm... I guess, I know, what's funny. It is Valentine. Sorry for my bad joke. Just couldn't resist.

[@trisha6161]

*Ahem* Suppose that you were sitting down at this table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals.”

[@sanmoon3543]

Nice

[@ryocatoofer5366]

I liked the “ahem” part

[@VoibbleLunchbox]

I can't wait for more napkinposting in 10 years

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

Thanks for that

[@fusionapple7783]

Once part 7 gets animated this is gonna be the new Yoshikage Kira copypasta

[@dantpointy436]

Steel Ball Run's gonna be something else once DP gets to animating it Though I'm a bit worried on how they'll animate Horses,they're difficult to draw let alone animate

[@lokigamer9236]

Im more worried for the 5-6 years for us to get a part that isnt considered mediocre at best. Dw when it comes the time dp wont make us sad they never do

[@alexknight81]

I'm 99% certain that they will be cgi

[@shawnjavery]

They can always do some touch ups to part six's story, maybe give the cast some more screentime to work better.

[@kaedenle]

They did it in part 2, I dont see an issue with 7 unless you take into account the sheer frequency of the horses.

[@makzionut7096]

@@kaedenle it still looked bad and the focus of the fight wasnt horses unlike in SBR where horses are the focus a lot.

[@violet_lily8020]

I just noticed that Valentine uses "the napkin" to describe power and at the same time always has the napkin his father had with him. I'm embarassed it took me so long to realize.

[@HuneeBruh]

I literally never thought of it like that, that’s really clever

[@rickostern7860]

we like Kira because relatable we like Valentine because he's charismatic I see

[@apollo6718]

Ri Sawaragi no we like valentine because he did *almost* nothing wrong

[@pvt.gaminggummybear6337]

Fafa Gamer I don’t know man, that one dude he disappeared on the train for no reason would beg to differ

[@eduardolapenda7268]

@@pvt.gaminggummybear6337 He was a witness. Not that is right killing people, but he didn't kill for no reason

[@nulle8935]

Kira is relatable? What?

[@inLemonA]

@@nulle8935 almost relatable

[@ItsYaBear]

Imagine you are a British man wandering the street at night after a nice drink with your friends. Suddenly, BOOM. You are killed by 7 gun shot wounds that flew down from the sky that fell from a misfired bullet who knows how far away. This is because someone tried to shoot another person in America, but the bullets would miss no matter what. This is what we see happen in the love train fight, people suddenly died due to the repulsion of bad things from the corpse, and people died without deserving it. The hate and sadness is'nt eradicated, its moved unjustly.

[@sonicplays8740]

Love Train is a cruel ability, being protected at the mercy of another person's injury is not something cool and Funny Valentine doesn't even use it moderately, he literally spams it.

[@Kerrisive]

Yes, but other countries were likely planning on doing the exact same shit as Valetine. See Napoli and likely the international racers' respective countries

[@underscore2736]

@@Kerrisive That doesn't excuse the deaths of hundreds of innocent people, evil government or not

[@Kerrisive]

@@underscore2736 to a degree yes, but his motivation regarding to make America "take the first napkin" was so that the other countries wouldn't be able to subject the USA to Love Train (or whatever ability they believed the holy corpse would grant them) and instead flipping the script on them. It's comparable to knowing that another country plans on nuking you and preemptively nuking them first so that they are unable to. That's not evil in and of itself. Sure, it's not morally good either, but it is well intentioned and has the best interests of the citizens of the US at heart. It's not like the countries were going to negotiate over the corpse either since it's quite clear that they didn't want it going public. That being said, yes, Valentine is evil, not for his goal, but for how he attempts to achieve that goal. Hundreds of people didn't need to die for the US to get ahold of the holy corpse first, and there likely were better ways of going about this. He's evil in the same way Senator Armstrong from MGR is in that they honestly aren't too different from the protagonist when you consider that they have comparable methods. Johnny kills a ton of people in SBR for getting in his way and to achieve his goals, but after befriending and learning from Gyro, he becomes a better person despite his selfish goal. Valentine--in comparison--serves a more selfless goal (considering multiple versions of himself sacrifice themselves and pass on D4C to other consciousnesses), but he was a lot more unnecessarily ruthless than needed.

[@underscore2736]

@@Kerrisive you make a very valid point

[@jcjimmy6981]

A magnificent analysis on why Valentine is such a good antagonist. It's obvious that his actions are vile and largely self-centered. He organizes the dangerous Steel Ball Run race, he basically rapes a fourteen-year-old, and he wants to use an ancient artifact to screw over the rest of the world. This is shown well in the Love Train arc, where the "misfortune" that is deflected by Love Train can be seen directly affecting other parts of the world at random. But the fact that the readers look past all that because of Valentine's radiant personality and ambition is what makes him so special. In my opinion, he's one of the best political villains in any form of media. The fact that Steel Ball Run in and of itself is propaganda in his favor is just incredible writing on Araki's part. That's just part of the reason why Part 7 will always be the best (I haven't read Part 8 yet so maybe I'm wrong). Great work, dude! In terms of the people who talk about JoJo, you're one of my favorites. Can't wait to see what you cover next!

[@paveesfox375]

"Self-centered" him bringing over alt diago if he failed largely proves this wrong. Everyone is selfish but his plans largely at the end had parts in place if he died and the fact funny died multiple times also disproves the selfish aspect. Would you die so a clone could live your life? That's funny by en large. People forget we aren't following the EXACT same funny thought jojo despite a shared stand

[@cake6851]

@@paveesfox375 To be fair its not like these alt Valentine's are unique entities. All Valentines share the same will and memories once they gain control of d4c

[@kaedenle]

@@cake6851 Yeah but it's not the same soul/conciousness. I personally wouldn't want to replace myself like that if I were in a bad condition. While it would be me in mind and body, it wouldn't be me. I'd get cheated out in experiencing all of life's wonders.

[@MasterDuelCentral]

Hey im reading part 8 and its def worst than part 7 just saying

[@diegovera1353]

Pavees Fox i believe this is wrong, he was self centered but in a different way, Valentine doesn’t care about his life but only his goals, he did not bring back alt Diego for anyone else or any other person that himself and what he wanted to achieve

[@grotus5549]

"Funny Valentine did nothing wrong" is the "Griffith did nothing wrong" of JoJo

[@DuraTOAA]

Except Griffith's negative actions were put in the spotlight *much* more than Valentine's, but yes. I see where you're coming from

[@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897]

@@DuraTOAA case in point, the rape

[@DuraTOAA]

@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 Of course. I'm not saying they aren't similar cases, but I'm saying that Griffith is much more depicted as being an evil and traitorous bastard than Valentine is. Of course they're both evil, but Valentine does a much better job at hiding it, like what was discussed in the video

[@wurmrave6831]

This is dead on accurate that is not even funny. Both great antagonists tho

[@ajjohnson9818]

Thank you for making the Stinky Valentine section. With all of the annoying memes about Valentine being a hero the section was a blessing. While reading part 7 I thought of him as such a evil person until the end when we learned about his dad. Now I see him more as a human rather than a villain or a hero.

[@phibie8853]

Same! I never really understood why FV was thought of so highly up until now. And I started thinking of him to be more humane at the end too, but all the same, I couldn't help but think that he is still too far gone in most things. As OP said, he often tries to justify what he's doing, but that only seems to me like he convinced himself that all the evil he's doing is in the name of patriotism and all his other beliefs, which just isn't right to me.

[@sock312]

That’s good because that’s how reality works

[@bargainbrandmusician]

the clown music is an especially good touch

[@apollo6718]

Valentine did nothing wrong he wanted the best for his country For example Suppose that you were sitting down at this table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals.

[@heratles3455]

@@TheBest-od6vc yep he is

[@thenarwhalking5604]

Because of D4C, JoJo is an isekai anime.

[@canaldecasta]

I hate you for this

[@thenarwhalking5604]

@@canaldecasta In reality, D4C is truck-kun's stand.

[@vanirsama2186]

@@thenarwhalking5604 in reality, d4c is that one guy who overthinks the situation and creates multiple altenarate decisions and check it out to see if that decision is better than the other one, in short that kid who jumps the gun always.

[@snackboxone364]

Wait a damn minute

[@RandoPassingBy]

And including Emporio got isekaied twice due to Made in Heaven Yup, Jojo is isekai

[@GOD-in8tn]

My favourite thing about Funny Valentine and Johnny is that their goal and methods are opposite. Funny has a Selfless goal but gets it in evil ways and Johnny has a selfish goal but gets in in good ways

[@FauZhee]

Accurate, this truly summed up their characters.

[@_cripticon8004]

That’s why I love gyro, Johnny valentine and Diego Valentine is selfless in the evil way Diego is selfish in the evil way Johnny is selfish in a good way and gyro is selfless in a good way, a true hero

[@bgr4214]

How is Johnny selfless

[@GOD-in8tn]

@@bgr4214 He isnt

[@RandoPassingBy]

@@bgr4214 he wasn’t, at least not much in first half of SBR. He is selfless later on though. Suger mountain arc, sacrificing the chance to save Gyro in order to do what’s the best for the world, and end up sacrificing himself for his wife and son.

[@chiyosake]

The guy was so awesome, he said no to DIO in EYES OVER HEAVEN.

[@Gamer-qw3ll]

*cough* Eyes Of Heaven

[@Fabiocean2000]

When talking about Valentine and consistency, you can't ignore that he literally went from a goblin to model in a few hours for no reason.

[@saxosipho]

He can switch bodies with his alternate selves. What do you THINK happened?

[@saxosipho]

That's Funny.

[@_cripticon8004]

Fabiocean I think its because of d4c, because we all know valentine can switch between alternate versions of himself. This means that he literally was fat but then switched bodies later on to be more fit for fighting, as fatty wouldn’t have been agile enough to fight Diego and wekapipo at the same time

[@recordingcontrol1776]

@@_cripticon8004 it could just be a style change Araki made

[@_cripticon8004]

Saethron Elf yes I agree he probably realised a fat antagonist would be silly. But still it makes sense that he could use d4c to get different valentines of different body shapes

[@aiofg7545]

Valentine stans Griffith stans 🤝 Our characters did nothing wrong Forget about Lucy and Casca

[@animefan77]

8:57- it also gives very strong implications that the original man that the corpse parts used to be/ did the opposite of Valentine’s goals actually took on the world’s misfortunes and gave the world fortune for the sake of others not himself because that’s a truly noble sacrifice in keeping with the themes of goodness in humanity.

[@ultraatari9298]

I haven't seen this far yet, but I know JoJo's tend to be charismatic through strong conviction and confidence. Dio is very charming and even more intimidating. He puts the fear of God in you. Hol Horse is just a total Chad working as a car salesman for Dio

[@dimitrijat]

I recommend u don't watch these vids as they tend to spoil things. There's also multiple things that make valentine stand out and jojo parts 7 and 8, that is the fact jojo transitions into seinen (for adults) so the story gets quite deeper than usual and allows for even more brutal things and IT'S FUCKING GREAT.

[@osblarg]

This video was an honest deed, done by no means dirt cheap.

[@randomperson1955]

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[@myselft36yearsago]

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[@maddogsgaming7567]

"valentine did nothing wrong" Griffith: welcome to the club

[@theflashgordon193]

somehow the people 'who did nothing wrong' all raped a girl lol

[@jesusllanas9318]

@@theflashgordon193 did you do nothing wrong?

[@ryu246]

FV did nothing wrong = Dio and Diavolo are good guys, they're just misunderstood

[@ryanm.8720]

@@ryu246 Also, Yoshikage Kira just wanted a quiet life, only killing because he was on the thot patrol, or to defend himself.

[@mynameisyoshikagekira.iam3120]

@@ryanm.8720 yes

[@elijahjarobi]

its also very interesting that valentine and pucci have a lot of parallels. One of their greatest similarity is the whole "evil without knowing its evil" thing. While being so similar people say valentine did nothing wrong while stating that pucci is a monster. This idea strengthens your point that because araki made valentines strengths the focus, he appears charismatic. Valentine spouts how just he is every second while pucci feels hes above justifying himself to the joestars. ive also noticed that SO and Sbr out of all the parts might have the closest parallels regarding their themes. Since they are both about fatherhood and redemption. I would be interested in seeing a vid where you analyse fatherhood in different parts.

[@SunGodNika-bi2jr]

Pucci and Valentine are the White Sheep of Jojo Villains

[@kurtberliner7049]

I think his form of "patriotism" is actually nationalism. One can love their country, but it takes a darker turn when people are willing to harm others to prove their nations superior and knowingly hurt another country in the process.

[@randomperson1955]

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[@LongSinceDead1]

Absolutely. Valentine's "patriotism" is a destructive force that he uses as a means of justifying abhorrent actions. It really is a terrifying nationalism. He's willing to discard the lives of those whom he deems lesser for the sake of preserving a nebulous abstract ideal of a country that doesn't actually exist.

[@music79075]

Thats not Nationalism. Thats Zealotry

[@LongSinceDead1]

Karnacle Blackburn Nationalism is zealotry

[@jefftheevilrobot9351]

@@LongSinceDead1 no. Nationalism is an extreme patriotism? Zealotry is an extreme form of nationalism An extreme of something, cannot be considered the same as the base thing

[@curtis701]

Didn't his wife say he could play the violin with his feet

[@kamilmartinez2150]

Curtis Gill something like that

[@miky9504]

Curtis Gill **Valentine S-tier villain**

[@FauZhee]

Actually, it's mandolin.

[@theredguy4043]

I forgot about Valentine's lesbian wife

[@chipslight738]

I really hope when they get to animate Part 7, DP is able to get the voice actor for Funny Valentine from ASB/EOH to voice him, the actor's voice was so excellent, really selling me how deceivingly self-rightious FV was, I fell in love the second I heard. I know he voice Kira in Part 4's adaptation but I hope they bring him back somehow.

[@fernoshader1363]

No he doesn't, what are you talking about he voices Mikitaka (the alien) not Kira. Not to be rude but you should get your ears checked.

[@Abdega]

I liked him, but does DP ever recast people?

[@bug9591]

I’m pretty sure ASB diavolo was the guy voicing anime Kira, not valentine.

[@CereDulce37]

@@fernoshader1363 fuck ... oof

[@mrcatz4311]

@@bug9591 yes

[@justas423]

He rolls 20 on charisma every time.

[@qlex9343]

*"Valentine did nothing wrong."* _I see this line everywhere._

[@qtarokujo3694]

I feel like this is also why Marvel fans love Thanos so much: not only do his goals make sense (even though their wrong), he is also a well written charismatic psychopath. . . And don't even start with that "Thanos did nothing wrong" bullshit either. Evolution and thermodynamics debunks his kill-half-of-all-life plan. Life will always find a way to survive because resources/matter can never be fully "destroyed"

[@badbeardbill9956]

Not to mention that populations can double in like 30 years. What’s the long term plan? Snap every 30 years? Well that wouldn’t work out since he can’t use it again afterwards, apparently. He’s wrong - full stop. His “solution” would likely result in a faster growth rate and a much larger population in 40 or 50 years.

[@qtarokujo3694]

@@badbeardbill9956 exactly

[@teznarayanan]

Thanos in the comics is a weirdo, he has an obsession with lady death and kills people to woo her. Valentine is a different case..

[@smugleaf8479]

i love the idea of araki laughing at people online saying that valentine is the good guy, cause thats exactly what he wanted them to think

[@threefingerdeathpunch4259]

He is great because he played college football you know? He could've gone pro if he wanted to

[@nicholasfallbrook9810]

Instead he decided to join the navy

[@canaldecasta]

The memes of destruction i see

[@solarx6465]

Funny Valentine did nothing wrong we can forget about Lucy Steel

[@skurt5525]

#NotAllValentines

[@drago9000]

Solarx64 I mean, he didn’t know that it was Lucy at first to be fair.

[@cormoranch1539]

@@drago9000 HE STILL CONTINUED TO FORCE HIMSELF ON HER AFTER DISCOVERING SHE WAS LUCY. ARE YOU TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE PRESIDENT RAPING A GIRL?

[@ryocatoofer5366]

Gekke Gijs griffith raped casca ✊😔

[@SkarkDogy]

What about that train conductor he trapped in the mirror by roping his dead alternate self to his back. There was no reason to do that. Same thing with killing the bee stung security guard.

[@-AAA-147]

I'm way late on this video but I wanted to say that Hot Pants works as a great counterpoint to Valentine's brand of patriotism. She is also trying to collect the corpse for the sake of her country, but is truly noble in her intentions and ways of achieving that goal. The only difference is that Valentine is more charismatic while she is more straightforward in her approach and personality, showing how the more noble can be outshone by the less noble through charisma.

[@Reed5016]

Hot Pants is pretty cool, ngl.

[@marleonka.]

I really enjoy your videos when you analyze a character psychologically, it's always very intersting to hear about that from someone he is actually good at this. I also like analyzing media very much, but as a literature major I see things a little differently when I try to analize them, so it's very refreshing to see your video~ Much love

[@ailospjellok7475]

dude valentine is one of the best characters in all of anime and manga because he represents that one phrase "the greatest trick the devil ever played, was convincing the world he wasnt real"

[@Smallgoth]

You’re one of the few jojotubers who truly explore the depth rather than scratch the surface!

[@Brews_By_JD]

The fact that valentine fooled me into thinking hes the real good guy makes me like him even better

[@TheShadowivan]

Quick reminder tha Johnny gave away the corpse parts twice to save his friend, and he said he would like to bring everyone back that died during the race. Valentine didn't give two shits that his wife and family died

[@VongolaXanxus]

*ITS NOT D4C, ITS FADRP* Props to anyone who took time to get the joke.

[@osblarg]

Oh lord I'm imagining now the Steel Ball Run dub with Valentine's VA just calling his stand "Faderp"

[@mcwatte]

FAAARP btw

[@Oceaniz]

I really hope the dub calls D4C "Crimes for Dimes" because that would make it C4D or you know "I aint gay but 20 bucks is 20 bucks"

[@WW21_WonderfulWorld]

it's faaarp you absolute normie

[@okey7281]

@@Oceaniz well they can call it D4C without getting in trouble, so I'm assuming they'll say D4C as much as they can

[@link0714]

The fact that so many people unironically think that Valentine did nothing wrong shows how good his character really is. The whole point of his character is that he's supposed to represent a real life politician who is a selfish and lying scumbag. I find it so funny when people fall for the propaganda surrounding him because it shows how well executed his character is.

[@heratles3455]

Yeah

[@thesuperthingymabob8209]

tl;dr: don't believe everything a politician says

[@matthewegan5281]

Honestly, the Holy Corpse makes a lot more sense when you think of it as a metaphor for Imperialism, considering that the U.S. was absolutely in the mood to start with at the time (seeing as the annexation of Hawaii by the U.S. actually occured during the real 23rd president's administration, the Spanish American war was about to happen, and the 20th century was non-stop "America wins, but everyone else gets fucked"). Oh, and Valentine's father died during the Mexican-American war, arguably one of the biggest successes for the goal of Manifest Destiny, second only to the Napolenoic Wars with the Louisiana Purchase, but that was more an incidental consequence than a true ambition of the United States, and also one of the least just wars the U.S. has ever fought, which is *really* saying something.

[@jaceyb3792]

That and the napkin speech for his true motivation for American Supremecy. His lust for power can not be quelled until America has ultimate power and the other geo-political powers are forced to follow America's lead. Similar to how many poorer nations are exploited for labor or other resources irl.

[@AYVYN]

American imperialism is minuscule compared to Britain, the Dutch, France, Portugal, Japan, and Germany. Power exists regardless of your desire to take it, and only when America obtained it, did all these other countries fall in place out of fear and claim to be righteous.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

@@AYVYN That sounds like something Valentine would say before gunning down some cripple.

[@shimaaalayie9965]

@@AYVYN "ummm acctually, america good others bad. My opinion is definately not tainted by favoritism uwu."

[@JetStream0509]

It's incredible how Araki is able to make such likable characters out of such monsters, to the point where some readers are tricked into thinking that they might be good people.

[@noelvyhnanek5951]

Finally, someone who agrees that Valentine is really evil. Thanks for explaining why he wasn't in the right.

[@link0714]

Too many people misinterpret his character and it's honestly so hilarious to me. The amount of mental gymnastics you'd have to go through to believe he's the "good guy" is crazy.

[@noelvyhnanek5951]

@@link0714 His charisma breaks the 4th wall, making real people believe him

[@koshavinka2995]

If it makes you feel better, the Villains Wiki/Heroes Wiki community categorizes Funny Valentine as Near Pure Evil (aka just a couple redeeming qualities away from being a completely heinous monster whose every action is immoral and spreads unmatched evil)

[@shovita.g.1729]

He kind of knew what the corpse would do. There was a general belief that the corpse of holy person is needed for a civilization to exist and prosper. (as i remember Gyro was the one who mentions this, maybe)

[@Wet_Sandwich]

D4C: im the best dimensional stand! Truck-kun: pathetic. Ambulance-chan: Alright kids, dont fight!

[@projectsanctuary7944]

really hate how Americans try to protect him lol, it's so pathetic, if Valentine wanted to help any other country, his stans would change their opinion instantly. what he tried to do is horrible.

[@shaon8896]

As an American I agree. He is an ultranationslistic, delusonal, shithead. Great character though lol

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

I mean its a meme

[@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897]

Wait what tf were you going about a year ago, grass

[@lokigamer9236]

Couldnt he just get his people to search for the body parts without the Run? Less risky and less expensive.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

It would result in a war. This is a body of Jesus Christ after all. Many people would be hurt and killed over it. Steel Ball Run race was made to prevent this.

[@e.v4892]

He could search for the body in his spare time. D4C makes Valentine an army unto himself by being able to access his other universe counterparts. He wins the election campaign and starts learning how to actually govern whilst his copies go incognito and search America for the corpse parts. He could have good governing and the corpse part plan working at the same time.

[@magentas6467]

That would come at the expense of one of the greatest Jojo parts though...

[@sirius6738]

because the whole part was a consequence of Hey Ya ability

[@TheFreedd]

The thing is in a sense he needs 'fated' individuals to find the parts, you know the whole 'stand users attract other stand users'. I think he was trying to find strong willed individuals for that. And the race to me looks like one of the best, with the lowest risk ways of doing that.

[@twilightexabyte]

This video is a 9/10 needs more Funny Valentine

[@kaptenlemper]

Never quite thought of Valentine as an Araki-fied Ronald Reagan.

[@BasedGalaxy]

Thought it was just a meme to say he’s the actual good guy

[@moonchild3717]

It kinda is but some unironically think that and it genuinely baffles me

[@ryanm.8720]

It's a stock meme to say that "X did nothing wrong".

[@CBuM27]

5:46 Gyro mentions that nations who have the corpses of saints would be able to last over 1000 years. While Valentine may not have known exactly how this prosperity would be accomplished, it would be safe to assume that he would know this information as well with his intelligence network.

[@masterofbloopers]

Funny Valentine is my favorite JoJo character! I love the Badass Politician trope! Characters like Funny Valentine, Mike Haggar, Vayne Solidor, Masayoshi Shido, Steven Armstrong, etc.

[@arthurshahzad7786]

Dio isn’t just “so sexy he attracts people to work for him”, charisma involves confidence in oneself as well, so that’s one of the reasons why he can get people to even kill for him

[@giant3dorangutanmodel89]

I loved the entire chapter in SBR dedicated to Valentine sexually assaulting a child

[@grandbean9031]

"Lucky Valentine is a well written and well presented-" Me: liar "politician" LMAAAAOOO

[@Blackheartzero]

Who the hell is _Lucky_ Valentine? (Don't answer, I know you just made a goof.)

[@smproductions7141]

I think what makes Valentine stand out is he's the only villain in the series, besides Pucci, who has an unselfish goal as an antagonist. Like you said, he publicly gives off an air of focus and confidence, but we as readers are privy to all his instances of being an unfeeling sociopath, an utterly irresponsible leader, a rapist, a cold-blooded murderer and a liar. But, because he feels so strongly that he is right, because pretty much anyone that fights against him has as much blood on their hands as he does and because he has an entire country on his side, he almost seems just in his actions. He is the perfect representation of American jingoism and Machiavellianism. He's not an immortal vampire or a serial killer, he's a real person who was gifted with supernatural power. That's what makes him scarily real.

[@space1546]

"Many readers wonder if he is even a villain, to begin with." So y'all are just gonna ignore the entire Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap chapter?

[@peanut4831]

I just came off a video of JOJO and you drop this *Coincidence* *I THINK NOT!*

[@odd-eyes6363]

Valentine is charismatic but we can’t forget he has ordered Filthy Acts Performed at a Reasonable Price

[@paveesfox375]

The race actually ended up benefiting the us economy in universe so it's not stupid to do a large scale event for bigger outcomes. That's literally success. Taking chances for payouts with reasonable assumptions

[@connorradcliffe1769]

Valentine: *tugs strings coming from Pavees Fox's brain* Valentine: Yeeess! dance for me, my little charismaticly brainwashed pawn

[@7411starfox]

He'd have no way of knowing if this was going to work out or not. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[@sock312]

oxymoron and yet it did. So acting as though it’s an utterly foolish idea when he has a way to access alternate universes probably can make you know some things others don’t. I’m not saying Funny is a good person because SBR doesn’t have good people (mostly because there are no good people)

[@tykixds]

@@7411starfox So? if it's a stupid idea, but it works, then guess what, it wasn't a stupid idea.

[@NightWing1800]

@@tykixds That's not true. A stupid idea that happens to work is still a stupid idea. The race just wasn't a stupid idea.

[@mcpics4448]

Funny valentine the original and successful Donald Trump

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

Successful? Ehhhhh...

[@Jinx-iw6zb]

He's more of a hitler than a trump The dude is insanely smart for a "selfless" person

[@Jinx-iw6zb]

@@rattila5858 He is very very ignorant but he convinced an entire nation the same stupid shit he believed in even though it was kinda through other people or so, but still. And he delivers the most convincing speeches in the most powerful manner mixing truth and propaganda. And german technology because sekai ichi during his time and Valentine kinda wants America to be on the top of pretty much everything. The dude knew what to do and what not to do until Russia. In those aspect Valentine and hitler are pretty similar. Trump and valentine doesn't have that much of a connection in my eyes.

[@knavenformed9436]

@@rattila5858 You call it stupid table talk because you have the power of hindsight. There are big reasons why his strategy worked so well. Right place, right time and all that.

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

Eeeehhhh... Trump doesn't really have much charisma. He's just kind of a jerk, personality wise. I say this as someone who voted for him.

[@jimphoenix494]

All this, just to shoot a cripple. Truly the most evil of the Jojo villains.

[@Seloliva1015]

It really hitted me how much I belived in Valentine's integrity when he offered to bring back Gyro... I was crying on the floor and at that moment every part of me wanted that offer to be true... even if some part of me knew it wasn't...

[@werh227]

So, Funny Valentine is also a satirical representation of politicians?

[@link0714]

Pretty much.

[@cmays209]

Valentine was a soldier tho, so it’s only natural that he would be cold & hardened. The whole point of his goal is too make America the most powerful country on Earth, putting other countries at risk, he’s the president so I doubt he would care about the well-being of other countries. Patriotism was huge back then so it’s only natural he, and every-one around him would feel the way he does. I’m sure he wouldn’t attack another country just for fun. I think he would use the corpse too defend the country. BUT an OVA of Vanlentine in the Army with D4C would be crazy good ....

[@josephpotts8208]

I think he's an anti villain Someone who's goals and methods can be seen as good but is still ultimately the bad guy

[@josephpotts8208]

@@katsu890 don't you have something better to do? Like float around in space

[@canaldecasta]

@@katsu890 duwang man wins, nice try tho

[@noakinn]

Ultimate Kars Wow, you're dense, he's referencing kars floating in space, the name you took on.

[@katsu890]

@@noakinn How can I be dense if I have 500 IQ?

[@vanirsama2186]

@@katsu890 hey cars, did a asteroid hit u to go back to earth? If so were doom.

[@midnightstar2762]

when you writing character so good that his charisma affect ppl outside manga

[@lillambert6812]

Pursuing a weapon of mass destruction without knowing what it will do? I see no issues in that. :)

[@gungnir1474]

Only an American could think Valentine trying to ruin the rest of the planet to protect the United States was not villainous

[@gungnir1474]

"Araki isn't political" Araki wrote an entire story about killing the president of the United States for taking imperialism to its ultimate conclusion: literally using the rest of the world as raw material for American prosperity no matter who it kills

[@leonardor.p.7928]

What is Valentine? I'll do you a better one: 9:16

[@mickluvin619]

Reading steel ball run I never really was on Valentines side until the very end. His final speech is so phenomenal at making the reader genuinely not just think, but want the president to be true to his words. I genuinely didn’t want him to pick up the gun and a part of me was convinced he wouldn’t. When he didn’t it I wasn’t shocked because I knew he was a villain, but it was more saddening.

[@shinkenger2011]

Dude has so much charisma it’s like he’s a whole bunch of hims in one!!

[@SpagEddie8113]

Dio- Vampire Kars- God DIO- Stops Time Kira- Bombs Diavolo- Erases time Pucci- Takes Stands Valentine- *Racism*

[@honeyygutz]

"stinky valentine" I am going to hurt you with my little hands

[@nnightmareg]

the clown music in the background just made the video even better

[@asherhockersmith8271]

You talk about how charismatic valentine is but can we just take a moment to talk about how amazing all of your video essays are? Like jesus christ I either didn't think about or didn't believe any of the things you talk about before I watched your videos but I sure as hell do now! Bravo man. Seriously.

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

Oh man for second I was thinking about certain emperor who started a war on misinformation and her league of stans who say her critics are the stans who lack critical thinking skills.

[@thewholehorse7140]

Valentine's Plan: Merge with Jesus ---> Become ripped

[@ElBreadini]

its honestly amazing how FV managed to convince a lot of the fanbase that he is not bad.

[@doomsday7557]

5:21 I just love that you decided to do a scene, that to in which it’s purpose is to completely tear down Funny Valentine’s character from the best villain of JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure to the stupidest villain in all of JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure and you also talk about how his actions make no sense and don’t contribute to his actual ultimate goal.

[@booyah344]

I'm going yo build a wall! OF PSYCHIC ENERGY!!!

[@bluejaysphinx1304]

How everyone that looks into the characters of this story: Woah, there's so much thought put into these characters Everyone who just pays attention to the characters looks: Hehe, Funny man has donut hair

[@nathancarbajal6383]

This could also be applied to the writing of Light Yagami

[@Cooldown59]

Random bankrupt cripple vs The President of the United States

[@mimikyuliker946]

Valentine makes much more sense as a charismatic person, dio’s charisma is basically magic. Seriously, how can Dio be considered charismatic when he’s constantly babbling about nonesense and wrying at the top of his lungs.

[@vilkristproductions6772]

dio was much more convincingly charismatic in part 1, i was genuinely able to believe and feel in how he turned everyone against best boy jonathan

[@harrybechtle4333]

That’s the appeal though

[@somerandomdude7417]

Funny Valentine: the president Also Funny Valentine: becomes buff skinny boi after 3 seconds and doesn’t give consent to a girl

[@Psychicduelistrbd]

The best villains are always the ones who think they are doing the right thing. It makes them more complex that the just doing it to be evil thing. Jojo has some of the best villain written.

[@Purple_Sloth]

I’d think valentine would know the power of the corpse parts since he got D4C through just one, and proceeded getting into office and manipulated people probably just by using the heart.

[@Laxhoop]

Ultimately, I view Valentine as an interesting question on your morality. While is can just be said that Love Train is merely a weapon against all who don’t receive its benefits, it can be argued that there’s probably a way to use Love Train in a way that will not make it so dangerous, e.g.: Purple Haze Feedback, and how Fugo learns to use the virus to kill a different strain of the virus, as a sort of antidote. Alright, now let’s say your in a group, and your leader is an awful person. They’re only leading you for the ego boost it will give them. They take very risky moves that could very much end badly. But... Nothing bad happens. All the gambles they make pay off, and the fact that they’re only in it for the ego boost, doesn’t really make a difference. This man is a piece of sh*t in his personal life, but when it comes to being a leader, he seems to only be capable of making good calls, at least when it really matters. Do you follow this person? They are pure scum. They would never follow the ideals they preach. But they’re a net benefit to you and your group. What would you do?

[@bungus2012]

No, I think the idea is eventually Valentine's recklessness will cause him to either go mad with power or fuck up and get everybody killed/screwed over, regardless of how lucky his poor decisions seem to be. I would much rather a competent leader who is stable and makes decisions that don't work out perfectly sometimes but ultimately cares about his country as opposed to an incredibly lucky yee-yee-ass egomaniac.

[@bungus2012]

As for evidence of that, look at everyone valentine recruited to do shit for him. Diego, all his bodyguards, the whole Steel Ball Run race and all the casualties in general. They all met a pretty shitty end, due to either Valentine's actions themselves or circumstances he put them in as a result of following him.

[@kingoftropes922]

I meam in just terms of pure morality there is something to be said for putting aside personal differences and beliefs and distain for greater long term achievement, but there really is only so far that benifit could go before following that person is straight up making you sell any shred of common decency you have and you're just as bad as them if not worse through enabling them for your and your people's benifit. Even if its for the sake of someone besides you, selfish, irresponsible behavior is selfish irresponsible behavior. Now if we bring common logic into it, its literally only a matter of time before that person fucks you over or crosses a line big time with their actions one way or another.

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

That's a very interesting question. I'd have to say that even if they do benefit the group, if I can't agree or vouch for what they do, then no.

[@togucvinw7]

I think I would sit down at a table Put some napkins to our left and some to our right , you know ? Then I would take a deep breath,look that leader square in the eyes..... And take the first napkin !

[@jackstriderknightoftime8560]

Valentine is the lawful evil paliden who the universe gave a natural 20 to strength and charisma

[@Nikoolayy1]

He is a parody of American politicians and it is strange that most fans that say that he is the good guy are from USA ? We live on planet Earth so better get the meme as there is not one country on this planet.