The Core of Shirou Emiya: Fate/Stay Night and Oath Under Snow

[@BlueDrakma]

So, just saying this now even before it gets unblocked, but I made a slight error crediting the music - Another Heaven is actually by Earthmind, not Cruz. So sorry for the mistake!

[@aconfusedperson7374]

How about the fgo Shirou’s •^• like I would count them cannon but because you’re talking about Shirou it would be nice to mention the Claster fuck of Shirou’s there is in total. Ps please give me shit how such a good idea this is.

[@elijahfrancis8845]

you know the superhero ending in the visual novel in the heavens feel route, and how kirei tells shirou how hes gonna win the grail no matter the outcome. ya that's what I see when I watched oath under snow

[@aconfusedperson7374]

Reasonable.

[@BlazingInferno00]

This is an incredibly well done breakdown of shirou, I think this is my first video of yours that I've seen and I'm definitely subbing to u. U've also convinced me to try Oath under Snow

[@masterxitra]

i dont think that last shiro is chaotic evil hes more or less like the shiled hero whos more or less chaotic good. a person whos heart is in the right place and wants to still help but has a more odd or unordinary way of protecting those he cares for. if he was chaotic evil he would not give two shits about anyone or thing.( i play to much D&D) but yeah hes more chaotic good , least from what you've explain him to be in the video maybe in the anime he is more evil i dont know. nice video btw i enjoyed it a lot

[@Joaza998]

If Emiya’s the name, your happiness ain’t gonna be the same.

[@IronSnake98]

Remember, the H in Emiya stands for Happiness

[@Gemnist98]

Unless you’re a song named Emiya. Then you get to spread happiness all over the world no matter what your composition.

[@apollospyrol7168]

@@IronSnake98 gilgamesh disagrees

[@law4912]

I mean but you get Sakura I would be happy

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

Yeah

[@pippooni1787]

“This Shirou only want one thing: To take holds something he Love, acknowledge that is Real, and not Lose it” ...damn that hit me in the deep

[@knmfujiwara]

It hit me when you point that out. To you.

[@odyssey4483]

From this point I can relate to him

[@jthunderboldt]

it really does hit you right in the feels

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

Yeah it really hit hard

[@exalted_space9224]

Relatable af

[@Spartan120]

"People die when they are killed." - Selfish Dreamer "Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right!" - Selfless Dreamer

[@asuraspath2262]

You are too much of a failure. The first one is contextual. People are supposed to die when they are killed. The second one is with regards to morality. You may be correct, but you aren't morally right.

[@namemelatersomeday3466]

can't help but feel by now that the "People die when they are killed" part refer to that Shirou felt he was supose to die, yet did'nt by a miracle he "felt/asumed" he did'nt deserve at that time

[@contown731]

@@namemelatersomeday3466 He specifically says that in regards to having had Avalon healing him all this time. There was no greater meaning to the line. He's not making some moral point, he's talking about how he's relied on his healing too much, and should give Avalon back.

[@VectorCross]

@@asuraspath2262 The "Just because you are correct doesn't mean you're right" line has nothing to do with two different uses of the word right. Its also context based like everything else translated from Japanese. Its a translation error as it translates what Shirou says word for word in UBW making it sound convoluted in English. Shirou specifically uses the same word for correct/right twice (正し--tadashi) which in the context of the scene refers to being right(eous). The official translation is mediocre and could have completely avoided this if they worded themselves better when translating it. For instance you could translate it as "You might be correct, but that doesn't matter" or "Being right isn't everything" to name a few.

[@johnmcdoesntexist5951]

Spartan120 I actually believe “just because you are right doesn’t mean you are correct” makes sense let’s take for example thanos in avengers he wanted to destroy half of life so the remaining life could live well and that’s actually correct because of all contamination,war and resources etc but It doesn’t mean it’s right ‘cause well killing half the planet is not right but he still was correct on his plan the phrase applies more to anti-heroes who do good in a bad way or they are doing something correct but not the right way

[@meaninglesscode122]

Being an Emiya is suffering.

[@jigoku2960]

To be fair, I think just being a participant of a holy grail war= suffering. I mean, just looked at what happened to everyone. Keineth got crippled and tortured by his wife, Waver got a happier ending but during the war got extremely traumatized, Sakura got possessed in the HF route, we all know what happens to Shirou and Kiritsugu, and even Kirei. I mean, sure he seems happy the way he was in F/Stay Night but if the younger version saw him now he would probably be horrified.

[@gokuforhiresooon6301]

@@jigoku2960 let's not forget about Kariya getting perhaps the worst treatment among all of the masters. Illya being a soiciopathic murderer, bluebeard and ryuunosuke killing people cuz they're mental asf, and sakura being raped by his step brother and fckin worms

[@mightza3781]

There's also a point about Kiritsugu relying on Shirou to interact with Miyu as if he knew inside that he might have folded himself so he didn't take the chance to interact with her at all and may have even used his own death to guilt trip Shirou into following through what needed to be done.

[@adamchu2001]

Except Normal Shirou from Fate/KLPI as he has no magic and is a loli-con

[@tomriddle5098]

Subaru intensifies

[@daffyhat]

Who would've thought the Selfish Realist who lost everything including what made him Shiro and the Selfless Dreamer who almost defines what it means to be Shiro would have the most in common.

[@Shaifs]

Because most people focus on the themes of Oath Under Snow and not what kind of character that Shirou is.

[@mr.searcher3507]

@Rothvic Solevanti What are you talking about? Miyuverse shirou is fighting to protect his sister. His whole reason for fighting is to save miyu and the only reason he lost is because the Gilgamesh (card) in his war is not arrogant which means she would use EA immediately to win. In UBW Gilgamesh is arrogant and doesn't want to use EA on UBW shirou cause he thinks he's not worthy.

[@Flaris]

@@mr.searcher3507 True. The end points of those fights are defined by the opponent. In a sense UBW and Oath Shirou are near identical in what they can accomplish. Both of them were in a set position to win. UBW could cut off Gil's arm moments before he could utilize Ea. While Oath fell short because Angelica was willing to use Ainsworth magic to extend the fight and then utilize the winning move. And even though one won and the other lost the fight, they both won in accomplishing what they set out to do in the first place. UBW wanted to stop Gil, stop the grail, and even save Shinji. Oath wanted to get Miyu away from his world and the Ainsworths. It is simply that one needed to win and the other just needed to not lose before Miyu left.

[@lucasmillerthelewderofloli9327]

@@Flaris Actually, while I agree both UBW and "Mirou" accomplished what the wanted to do, I'd say Miyuverse Shirou with Archer card is the strongest version of Emiya/Shirou that exists, except Muramasa Shirou, but we'll never get him and I've yet to get there in F/GO. He has basically all of Archer's power, he is directly supplied mana from the Holy Grail and his projections are superior to any other version of his as they allow him to project divine constructs, something no other version of Archer/Shirou can do. Also note he can project divine constructs WITHOUT the Archer card.

[@michaelvalentinoyo1259]

@@lucasmillerthelewderofloli9327 miyu is that mary sue who could have wished unlimted power but doesnt know it

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

And funny enough, apart from the 5 young Shirous, we also have at least 3 Heroic Spirit Shirou Emiyas, and each of those are different and fascinating.

[@carltonlee17]

Wait, so I assume it's emiya alter, mumei, and muramasa...?

[@jeremydean1718]

Incubator QB heroic spirit emiya from fsn, nameless from extra, and emiya alter from fgo

[@chrispeoples837]

@@carltonlee17 muramase isn't shirou but his murmasa n shirou are bloodline related

[@MajorLawliet]

@@chrispeoples837 It's not confirmed, it's just an hypothesis Muramasa brings up on the basis that he's surprised he and Shirou are so oddly compatible.

[@MajorLawliet]

@@FoxtailVAYes... and? Muramasa just postulates a possibility as to why Shirou is so very compatible with him, him being the one in control doesn't suddenly mean whatever he says is instantly true. And I mean, there's a lot of Shirou and Rin in them even if they aren't in control. Ishtar would be much less comical, silly and inhumane without Rin in her.

[@yourerightbut1235]

No emiyas were hurt during this video.

[@aisir3725]

They were hurt before

[@udinamursona1064]

more like all emiyas were hurt during this video

[@WebSlingerProductionsofficial]

Keyword: During?

[@gavinmenezes7759]

All emiyas were hurt*

[@tau-5samsara990]

I know where Maverick came from

[@thelonelyking9904]

Can we just think for a second about how Shirou survived Enuma Elish, A Divine Weapon, which is capable of destroying worlds. Lol.

[@1Bloxer]

its simple really the Emiya theme to Fate is what the main JoJo theme is to any JoJo part

[@tsurugi5]

kaleid repeatedly ignores nasuverse mechanics for the sake of being flashy

[@brucewayne8550]

It's actually because Miyu as a living Holy Grail kept him alive from the attack, which is far more obvious and blatantly stated in the manga. OUS Shirou basically had Affection of the Holy Grail

[@adamchu2001]

@@brucewayne8550 Miyu gave him nigh infinite mana and allowed him to complete A GRAIL WAR IN ONE NIGHT. Also being THE GRAIL when Miyu did a universe jump it took the servants with her. Shirou Stalled Angelica long enough for that by the time she used Ea Gilgamesh was taken to Illya's world forcibly cancelling the install and EA.

[@piroDYMSUS]

Guts.

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

Using Meme: Fate: What Shirou wants to do UBW: What Shirou thinks he does HF: What others think Shirou does OUS: What Shirou actually does. Lol

[@r.k845]

No? If anything OUS and HF are what shirou actually wants to do while fate and UBW are what he decides to do anyway.

[@ceoofjeanneism6777]

F/GO: Not Shirou

[@souperhappydrinkingcoffee5130]

UBW:what shirou thinks shirou should do

[@carlbalba964]

What is OUS?

[@souperhappydrinkingcoffee5130]

@@carlbalba964 oath under snow

[@austinpoor5217]

I felt very differently reading the visual novel to completion. I felt the Fate path was ultimately the "good ending". Maybe I was extrapolating, but I felt it was the only path where Shirou, fully, grew up. While all three of the girls reflect some inner turmoil of Shirou's back at him, I felt Arturia's was the most essential to his character, being the one who share's his core ideal of the flawless hero. The "Hero of Justice" he aspire's to be, less directly, is placed in front of his eyes, and he experiences her failure through her memories, and yet when he reflects on it near the end of the path, he "must admit, there could not have been a greater hero". I always took this to mean, Arturia, succeeded at her mission, and was the "Perfect King" she aspired to be, but even that left her feeling she had failed. I also felt it implied that this was in fact, the fate of all who had become servants. In effect the were all men who became legends, but lamented they had not become gods. All this to say, my take away from Fate, was fate itself. Not that all things are inevitable and chosen for you, but that no matter how hard you fight (Shirou), no matter how brilliant(Rin), gifted(Sakura), wealthy(Gilgamesh), wise(Cuchulain), or good(Arturia) you are, there are mountains you will not climb, struggles you will not over come, tragedies you won't stop, but you should fight anyway. Because the most beautiful thing about humanity, is our heroes, legends that light the abyss, like stars in the sky, and in the end, heroes are the ones who challenge fate, even if they always lose. I felt that only Shirou and Arturia, in the end of the "good ending" of the Fate path, learned this lesson.

[@sergiusprintar5491]

then, isn't UBW good end the "ultimately good ending" ? shiro ends up with both saber and rin in that ending. So: top tier magus as his support. someone very close to his ideals as his support. and even sakura and shinji start to get along as shinji starts to regret his actions. The only bad thing being here, is that matou zouken is still alive.

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

@@sergiusprintar5491 Yet, we never see or hear of him, like at all. Seriously, why the complete silence? Did he die somehow offscreen before the war started?

[@sergiusprintar5491]

@@JakeSmith-mq5dc who are you referring to?

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

@@sergiusprintar5491 Matou Zouken, seriously, I know he only happened to meet Shirou in Heaven's Feel and died in Apokrypha, but what happened to him in the other two routes?

[@sergiusprintar5491]

​@@JakeSmith-mq5dc do you mind spoilers? heaven's feel movie 3 spoilers? if not. The idea is that Fate Stay Night is a story told in 3 routes, so, the author didn't have to mention him in all of them. That's why they focused on specific characters in specific routes. In order to make the readers connect the dots and this more about connections between characters and keep some air of mystery

[@Flaris]

I really like how the Miyu--verse Shirou adds to the equation. The different situation of the world he grew up in and his experiences shaped a very different person. It's weird how that Shirou was more isolated and yet wasn't as alone. By having someone to look after in Miyu he experienced changes. He had to keep her hidden and every day was a challenge against what ideal of being a hero he actually had. With her he saw the price that had to be paid. It wasn't just sacrificing an abstract few for an abstract many. It was being tasked with sacrificing his adopted sister's life for the abstract many. That's a different thing entirely. There are many versions of Shirou and I like many of them. The Oath Under Snow version may be my favorite though. He loses so much and has to drag himself up to try and save what he still has left. Using Archer's powers efficiently while turning away from the ideal that lead to that version of Shirou becoming a counter guardian in the first place.

[@Nameless0ne419]

also i believe ur not mentioning how much Miyu plays a role here... she’s the idea of the few that needs to be sacrificed for the many and she’s a young girl who hasn’t known how to live her life yet. we see scenes that Kiritsugu is willing to use her to save the world but Shirou slowly begins to develop feelings for Miyu and realizes that she’s just a child and chooses to raise her and let her at least experience what its like to live and be happy. Thus making the wish to teleport miyu to the Loli world where she could be happy

[@rood6422]

Can I say that I wouldn't mind a spin off of prisma to get a series if Oath under snow

[@shironoyami7002]

​@@rood6422you mean another season?

[@Nightshade_Ronin]

The emiya family is just so sad, both of them touched my heart more then any other characters in anime ever.

[@adamchu2001]

I think the reason why he can't use UBW in HF (He mentions this when he uses nine lives blade works VN), is he says that archers world and mine is different so he cannot reproduce it. I think this means that because he never naturally learns projection (or visits archers UBW) so his internal world is fairly empty. he can use 'only the noble phatasms that Emiya Shirou has recorded' (similarly to the Fate Route where shirou can only project Caliburn, Avalon, Kanshou & Bakuya). He can't use archers UBW to get NPs to produce because of his seals applied to his left arm, after unsealing archers arm he can replicate Nine Lives by taking it from archers UBW whilst his mind fractures because of the strain of overusing projection. The reason why Shriou from OUS is so quickly being corrupted by Archer never had avalon inside him (Kiritsugu never joins the 4th holy grail war due to him looking for a holy grail to save mankind and the Matou head dies along with Zachary Ainzworth, whilst the Einzberns and Tohsakas we are unclear on their existence) meaning he could never learn projection and UBW properly so when he realises that his basic reinforcement magic (the only one that he seems to be able to use). When he got given the blank card just after Sakura is killed he sees a future self as hero he asks him to use his body and soul as the cost to ground and use archers skills. Which he accepts of course his appearance using the archer card is similar to angra mainyu in fate hollow attraxia (I think of this shirou as an avenger at heart). The reason he is so much better than other card users is he is let archers memories and skills possess him completely to the point OUS Shirou's soul and body (shown when he tries to use UBW the second time and his right arm and hair turn into archers body) is being overwritten by archer and eventually would become a young version of archer. This isn't true for anyone else they just use the characters instinct and reflexes for attacks. This occurs when Zachary Ainsworth using the Saber card uses excalibur one handed (This is implied that it would fail and break the arm of the user) Or when Angelica using Gilgameshs card uses his mountain felling sword inside against gils new incarnation (his kid version). In the same fight she tries to use the Enkidu aginst gil who takes control of it and pisses him off by trying to use it. Heroic Spirit Emiya liked this version of himself enough to agree to this contract as he thought his ideals were not so contrived and not so unattainable.

[@ssjokg4952]

No the reason he cant use it(deploy it) is because their iinner worlds are different.Shirou in UBW fully understands himself and his ideal.That is what allows him to use UBW.And that relization happens when he is laying on the ground after being "cornered" by Gil. He always knew Projection(before the start of the series(except OUS Shirou whoI dont think ever learned it).. And he can "easily" project NPs only Archer has seen.That is how he projects Caladbolg and Rho Aias in HF.Even when he used the fuull capabilities of K&B he used Archer's "prerecorded" info.

[@MrYoyoshi9]

Miyuverse Shirou is not transforming in Archer, its because projection beyond his capacity, he has Archer experience and Miyu backing him with more mana that what he can use in a lifetime but his body is not at that level,only then he starts to get his skin burned and his hair white, and damaging his circuits possibly beyond repair, I mean is a natural process for him after using enough projection, Notice it only happens after he loses the Archer card, because he is using it by himself not with EMIYA "body", when installed the person is partially overwritten by the heroic spirit allowing to do feats in servant level because their existence is somehow recognized as the heroic spirit and not the person installing it; and while they don't get all the heroic spirits power virtue of getting rid of their egos, Zachary only used Excalibur one handed because he only had one arm

[@adamchu2001]

@@MrYoyoshi9 It was mentioned after end of the Oath Under Snow recap from the manga that Miyuverse Shirou is not allowed to be in the final fight as if he used projection any more he would end up becoming a 'young archer' if this was just the physical changes they probably would not care but if it litterally means that Archers Persona would overwrite shirou's he'd probably end up helping Juilian who is trying to save as many people as possible

[@MrYoyoshi9]

@@adamchu2001 It was not like that, they were concerned because he is killing himself,Illya says she doesn't want him to fight anymore, and Luvia that she won't let him to be engaging in life threatening battles, Rin is the one that says "The more you use that heroic spirit power the more it will consume your body, if this keep going you won't be yourself anymore" they are talking about the power and his body not being able to handle it and being destroyed from the inside, also references the talk with Kirei in Heaven's feel about Archer's arm, "youn won't be yourself anymore" is a reference to Heaven's feel as well, Is about his mind being destroyed, then they persuade him to stay back, for his safety,that now they will protect him, and the only ones who can still fight are Illya, Miyu, Kuro and Bazzet Archer can't affect Shirou in any way, they are not even interacting,the cards doesn't have ego, at least not at that level, and he is inside the Archer card that gives form to Kuro, thats ignoring the fact that Archer would never side with Julian or Darius, their wishes are not clear and even if its true that they want to save humanity Archer hates the sacrifice the few to save the many mindset

[@jimbob1862]

HF Shirou actually CAN use UBW. Rin says so herself in the true end epilogue. It's just that he needs to train his body a bit, because his powers in the route are stolen from Archer's arm and he has a completely new body to adjust to. Despite that, Shirou has to use his own version of UBW to draw weapons from throughout the route. As for Oath Under Snow, Shirou doesn't use Emiya after defeating Zachary who acts as the Saber. He has to give up the card to send Miyu away. Illya's statement about self destruction is purely that Shirou has been abusing his powers so much that he's so damaged he can't invoke UBW fully anymore without risking death.

[@allenhines480]

Another thing about Heaven's Feel Shirou, is that because he changed his ideal, Archer no longer needs to kill him. Also since their ideals are different, Shirou can't use Archers UBW.

[@chaosngelx]

I like Oath Under Snow Emiya Shirou the best. I think like me, most people find Miyuverse Shirou as the most relatable. Because, deep deep down, all humans are selfish, and most people would rather save the people they love, over the world. This is the main reason why I like Miyuverse Shirou the best, because he's human, he's selfish, and he's not blindly trying to chase an Ideal or become a symbol. Most of all though, he doesn't try to justify his ideal, he doesn't try to push it on another person, he understands the consequences of his actions.

[@BygoneT]

I think you have a weird idea of what human means. Humans blindly chase ideals, fetishise martyrdom and victimhood to become and fabricate symbols (Even going so far as to call themselves and their lives a symbol of something). People also justify their ideals with mixed results, and most of all, people absolutely do push their ideas onto others. Democracy is founded on this principle, it's just worded and applied differently. Your humans are aliens, don't exist or you live in a Utopia where none of the above happens, if so tell me the address so I can join you please.

[@zhaoyun255]

@@BygoneT I would say that he's the realization of a Human when reality hit. Life is not easy, when we were little, we had big ambition and dream. However, 99% will realize that was just a fleeting dream when we grew up. This is why Miyuverse Shirou was relatable because of that realization alone.

[@BygoneT]

@@zhaoyun255 I'm very sorry, I can't find an example of a Shirou that hasn't had to deal with reality. The entire point of his character, at least in the three original routes, is to see what happens to ideals taken to the extreme, when they clash with reality. Of course, I assume what happens is that everyone understands things aren't as simple as we thought it was. Some people are just more stubborn and don't let go, of those that don't, a few make it. (I say a few, but there are various tens of thousands of these people) Something being relatable is a concept that always made me think. People relate to what's similar to them, most of the time. But for whatever reason sometimes we relate to things that are completely alien to us. I don't think it's something you can logically do (Relating, that is), unless you're so broad a person you can connect with everyone's struggles. For example, UBW Shirou is my absolute favourite, even though he's an absolutely insane person at his core. And the reason I do, is the same reason I scoff at people who say HF Shirou is "Adult Shirou", "He has finally grown up and left behind his childish Idealism of saving people", and other such idiocy. Almost every single person on the planet has something they are emotionally, or in Shirou's case, existentially attached to and that something they won't let go. For some, it's the idea that somewhere out there, there's a "Right person", who is magically compatible with us so much, you have to put in 0 work to have them like you. For others it's something else. But calling Shirou immature because he values *saving close people's lives* over everything else, is insane. These same people then turn around and demand that police exist for the sole purpose of sacrificing their life to protect them. I can absolutely agree that I relate more to OUS Shirou more than his Fate version. But I can't simply discount UBW, because despite what people say, Ideals control their lives. And Shirou learns to live with it.

[@ryujinjaeger666]

I think all of the shirous understood their actions. Its just that shirou being who he is along with the fact that deep inside he is a broken man is why he keeps klinging to those ideals.

[@allfiction8905]

Same

[@Nameless0ne419]

all 4 Shirou Emiya’s are the same person?! NANI?!.... on a people die if they are killed note... The idea of Oath under snow Shirou was basically the idea of a “What If?”. In Fate Stay Night routes we always had a Shirou that wants to be a hero and save the MANY. Where as in Oath under snow we have Shirou seeing Julian being this hero but at the cost of killing Sakura and taking Miyu away, around that same time he realizes saving the many is breaking him thus he says before using the Archer card, “my ideals are shattering” he uses the card in response to not caring about saving the many anymore and instead chooses willingly to save the FEW and call himself the “villain” because he’s against the world

[@fj094t58qjf]

theres another shirou in fate kaleid liner, go watch it

[@pforgottonsoul]

he was that way in HF too, he chose to save sakura over saving the many.

[@DPSS927]

patrick watkins Actually, it isn't. While it might seem like such at first glance, the thing is, saving Sakura and saving the world are not mutually exclusive. In fact, by saving Sakura he is also saving the world. While he has chosen the path that causes the most damage to the masses and with the least likely chance of working, he is still in a way being a hero even if he thinks he has no right to become one anymore. Unlike OUS Shirou, who rejects his ideal and chooses to stand against the world as a "villain", HF Shirou is simply finding a balance between doing what is logically and morally right and selfishly clinging to the ones he values. Basically, he just learned to prioratise. PS: All of this purely my interpretation and you're free to ignore it if you wish.

[@reddytoplay9188]

So OUS Shirou is an aveger class type

[@neardarkroad1347]

@@DPSS927 I agree with you. Miyuverse Shirou take it up beyond the point HF shirou did. HF shirou saving sakura is basically win win situation. While Miyuverse Shirou at most it just win lose situation, though in my pessimitic eyes, its a lose lose one. Now that he is truly left alone with nothing else except the hope that Miyu will lived a happy life.

[@Zabivodka]

AH, NO, LOST BUTTERFLY CLIPS, I SAW TOO MUCH

[@BlueDrakma]

YOU WERE WARNED

[@fathersblessing9194]

Wtf what happen😥

[@danielpimenta140]

The film was awesome btw, Shirou's characterization was top notch

[@Zabivodka]

@@BlueDrakma i know i was warned, i still took the risk :)

[@Zabivodka]

Too cool 4 u

[@CJKS-wo8dm]

Something that I've constantly been thinking about: Archer came from a route similar to the Fate route, but without achieving the same end as Shirou, without helping Arturia. But in Archer's route, Archer EMIYA never existed. Now, in Fate/Stay Night, Archer is summoned, and this subsequently leads to the various routes. Therefore, Archer is the ultimate unintentional wingman to Shirou. Shirou Emiya is Shirou Emiya's greatest wingman.

[@MrThecrazyzombie]

Sounds gay

[@MrThecrazyzombie]

Selfcest

[@CJKS-wo8dm]

Yup.

[@ronaldomendoza7578]

@@MrThecrazyzombie Timecest?

[@jasperreyes5174]

And then you find out the existence of Archerko...

[@goto0c]

Great video, but there's one point that seemed wierd to me. I wouldn't say that Shirou is "privileged" in a traditional sense of the word. The only thing out of the list that was just granted to him was the Emiya household and Taiga (and even there he's more of a caretaker than she is). His job, fitness and magic abilities are all fruits of his hard work and his forgoing of any kind of entertainment that's normal for a kid his age, not to mention the crazy sleep schedule.

[@LeonGun8]

His job is through contacts even if he doesn't realizes it. His boss is literally drinking buddies with Taiga and the Fujimura Clan. In fact, Taiga and her dad alone already give him a big advantage in life because he quite literally has a Yakuza boss who ensures he lives an easy life, that's why he doesn't even have to pay the bills of his house nor deal with anything beyond household chores. I may also add that they do mention other details like the fact the Head Priest of the Ryuudou Temple is also friends with Taiga and Shirou, and Shirou liked to take summer breaks training with the other monks (so that's yet another important member of the city he is friends with). So yes, he IS privileged. His problems are not financial and one might even say that he has more money saved than Rin (Rin is confirmed to be barely scraping by on her own savings due to her expensive jewel magecraft and Kotomine losing all the Tohsaka family's stores). Sure, his physical abilities and what little he has of magical abilities are his and his alone, but none of that has to do with the concept of being privileged. He doesn't have to practice magic, Kiritsugu made it so he never had to and barely taught him enough for him to be forced down the path. And you can be a rich kid with "first class problems" and be fit at the same time.

[@darthskele]

He's privileged to even have the opportunity to do those things. He imposes those things onto himself as a form of training, but what if he didn't have the shed or the Emiya household? I doubt a well-mannered kid like Shirou would ever impose himself on anyone's personal living space to perform his training, not to mention the fact that public magecraft is dangerous to perform and might himself and others hunted by the church. He's *lucky* to have that large house. There are Japanese kids who basically live in boxes their whole lives because real estate in Japan is ridiculous. Shirou is a hard worker, but he has room to pursue these things. He has no siblings to look after, no illnesses he needs to nurse or medical expenses for things like cancer or pain killers for back problems due to poor genetics. There's people my age who need to take epidural shots every two weeks because of their poorly built spines. Shirou doesn't ever have to worry about such things, he has all the time and the potential in the world to reach his self imposed goals. Shirou has no parents who will get in the way of him trying to be a hero. That's why he's able to bring his whole harem to live with him and not get flak for it. He is able to sleep in his shed as much as he pleases. Any well involved parent would put a stop to his foolish behavior. Of course, as the audience, we know it helped him in the long run, but to them, they'd be seeing their son risk frostbite and colds for sleeping without a blanket in a frigid and dusty shed. Shirou has a decent character, but don't deny that he doesn't have privileges over other protagonists.

[@reyoshitakahashi3280]

@@darthskele actually most protagonists are privileged and even so most people are forgetting that he was literally given Avalon like yea not having to pay bills is nice but this man literally has Avalon

[@reyoshitakahashi3280]

@@LeonGun8 one word Avalon

[@darthskele]

@@reyoshitakahashi3280 you wanna tell me that Guts is privileged? Or Goblin Slayer? Or that kid from Demon Slayer? Or the guy from Yu Yu Hakusho? A lot of anime protagonists aren't privileged.

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

Miyu's brother has more human emotions. UBW Shirou is more of a idealistic hero.

[@DeeonleeCobb373]

8:38 - 8:45. This is probably why I connect to OUS-Shirou, other than his bad-ass moments. To hold on to that single feeling that is the realization of your own personal world. To ensure that feeling stays alive and assure the validation of one's existence as a person. Those words you said really hit home I enjoyed the video as a whole as well. Everything was concrete. Well done.

[@jeremyargha9086]

Basically Heavens Feel.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

The only issue i have with this video is that you didnt use the visual novel Shirou and instead focused on the anime adaptions. It gives a somewhat skewed version of his character in that Fate Shirou is not chasing the heroic ideal like Archer did in his timeline, he was chasing Arturia. He eventually squared away the same realizations of UBW and HF Shirou, so the 3 Shirou's conclusions in the 5th war itself are merely the catalyst for the transition they would make for the rest of their lives

[@BlueDrakma]

You aren't wrong, and I'm planning on making a video on this subject to clear this up since I've gotten a lot of comments about the VN on my Fate videos, but TLDR I don't usually reference the VN because I don't think it's aged very well and most people in my audience haven't read it.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@BlueDrakma i'm looking forward to your video then. I don't think the VN has aged any worse than any other relatively old visual novel...its not like OG tsukihime which really has aged...i don't really understand that viewpoint, but all opinions are valid.

[@SalinaMoonfall]

In a sense the Fate route is the season or episode one and burdened by having to build up the world, which is probably why Ufotable opted to do the second and now third routes because redoing Fate would be more retreading then anything and while Deen's take wasn't perfect it told the story well enough (for the most part). As far as VN vs Anime goes the really big difference in regards to Shirou is the inner monologue losing that in the anime some see his actions as reckless when their deeper then that as far as his motivation for doing them goes. That said the conclusions and observations in this video still hold true for VN Shirou I think, the VN just goes a ways more to explaining it. I'd argue that OUS Shirou is a deconstruction of a deconstruction since OG Shirou in some respects is a deconstruction of the Shonen "Heroic Spirit" trope that like you point out is that spirit or dream meeting reality hard and the friction and conflict that results.

[@lopez.jacinto.6726]

@@BlueDrakma then do a walkthrough. I woukd watch it all.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@SalinaMoonfall i think if Nasu has to rewrite the route to account for that, i think its okay as long as the basic themes stay the same(Shirou and arturia's relationship, Arturia struggling with her duty, Shirou's ideal mirror imaging her and so on)

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

I love this analysis :) Also it's because of a lot of these factors that Shirou has SO MUCH fanfics written with him, considering he's always fascinating and changes a lot with the circumstances.

[@godsil11]

I was admittedly a little confused by the alignment chart at first. Claiming HF Shirou to be selfless when one of the bigger parts of the route is that he is being selfish threw me off a bit. He is potentially jeopardizing (which becomes sacrificing as the route goes on) the lives of many people in Fuyuki, all so that he can be with Sakura. However as you continued to make your points, it became clear to me that I was coming at this from the wrong perspective. I was looking too broadly when I should have been fixed on the perspective of Shirou as a character. Perhaps I shouldn't be watching character analyses videos first thing in the morning.

[@WebSlingerProductionsofficial]

People have been saying “Being an Emiya is suffering” but i disagree Having the camera capture you in a fate series is the end for you

[@jesterlefae3940]

_I need a Shirou~_

[@kurougami]

Stop

[@jesterlefae3940]

@@kurougami You sure? I have _Puns_ more

[@kurougami]

@@jesterlefae3940 no more puns plz

[@jesterlefae3940]

@@kurougami Come now, their not that unBEARable hehehe

[@jesterlefae3940]

@@kurougami Jokes aside, thats the name of a Fate AMV by Aaron Headbutt

[@iamalucard100]

"heroism may be at the core of who shirou is" Although this is a fairly well put together video for the resources you have, I feel you either ignored the VN stories or haven't read the VN. Either way, they Shirou in the visual novels is vastly different from the anime, sadly. And I think the quote above kind of encapsulates why the anime only people see him as some sort of idealist. The reality is that in the 3 main routes Shirou is not striving to be a hero. Theres a few main things you mentioned about him that told me that the anime never really got the point across of just how damaged of an individual he is. Shirou strives towards the ideal bestowed upon him by Kerry not because he wants to be a hero, but because its literally all he has left. Several times Shirou is confronted by characters along each route telling him how insane he is for putting himself in suicidal situations just for the sake of maybe saving someone. It's not actually a sense of heroism that drives him to do this, its suicidal tendencies. When the fire came along, its not shown in any of the anime, but there were several people who asked him for help while everything was burning. Shirou tried his best but he was honestly helpless being so small and inexperienced. He saw several people be burned alive right in front of him as he was helpless to do anything. It was never clear how hurt he was during the fire but it is more than what was shown in the anime. On the verge of death and after seeing all those horrors, this is where the boy we know as Shirou Emiya accepted the fact that he is going to die and that he wants to die, not because he is injured beyond fixing, but because he didn't want to live anymore. It's mentioned in the VN but I think it's only tangentially addressed in the UBW anime. Right here is where Shirou "dies". The only thing that keeps Shirou form giving up on life entirely is the fact that he gets to see Kerry smile so wholeheartedly and he decides that he wants to experience that himself. So once Kerry tells him that he wanted to be a Hero of Justice, this is where Shirou decides that thats what will make him whole again. Unfortunately he is still extremely damaged from the fire and is arguably inhuman at this point. The fire left him so traumatized at his powerlessness that he from then on decided that he will live his life for others and will try his best to make up for it any way he can. But, Shirou has a fundamental misunderstanding of how to accomplish this and along with his trauma of being one of the few people to survive the fire, he is haunted by that event and the people he couldn't save. Survivors guilt is an understatement to be honest. As such, any situation where Shirou could possibly offer his life in exchange for saving someone else is a valid excuse to run in and attempt to die. Anime only people equate this with Shirou being dumb and escaping situations due to being the protagonist and having plot armor, but the reality is he goes into suicidal situations with the HOPE that he may die so that his existence can be justified. So that there is a reason for him to have been one of the only ones to survive. To give you an example of how inhuman hes become, Shirou wasn't just really good at archery club, if not the captain wouldn't have been so adamant about having him back and Shinji might not have been so jealous. Shirou literally never missed. He had become so close to a tool himself because of his lack of self that he was able to consistently hit the bullseye every time. The only time he missed was on purpose solely to see if it was possible. There's a lot more that the VN goes into about Shirou's twisted POV but the results are slightly different from what happens in the anime. Stay/Night - Saber teaches Shirou to let go of the past and attempt to live for himself. She makes him whole again and in turn he no longer feels the need to pursue being a hero of justice. In the true end of Stay/Night and through what Nasu has said through interviews, this Shirou never becomes a counter guardian. He does however have a new purpose, meeting saber again, and devotes the rest of time running to see her again.

[@tsurugi5]

man, more people should read the vn

[@qballa2787]

ok too bad it’s basically unanimous that the recent anime does the ubw route better

[@dudedude7846]

@@qballa2787 I have seen literally not one person say that. Every person that's read the VN that's I've talked to said it had huge problems. Where did you see that?

[@jasperreyes5174]

@@dudedude7846 Every Anime Adaptation will have problems... the ufotable UBW does try to stick closer to the VN compared to earlier versions of the Anime...

[@dudedude7846]

@@jasperreyes5174 It's definitely better then DEENs attempt and despite it's problems it has some great moments but it's nowhere near unanimously better like that guy said.

[@Venom1846]

And of course there's Emiya Alter, who's genuinely the most sad boi. An Emiya who never got the resolution from UBW, OUS, or HF and only wants to forget everything about his former life because of how far he's strayed from the ideal of a hero of justice.

[@thinhvo3893]

I really want to like emiya alter but his appearance is so over the top edgy that I cant take him seriously

[@thomaschitham3487]

I don't think that's EMIYA Alter. In his head, though he finds it detestably, Alter actually justifies his life as a Counter Guardian, more so than Kiritsugu or EMIYA after UBW. Alter has been so broken through his encounter with Kiara (and allegedly Sakura, though not confirmed) that he has rationalised in his head that killing the Evils that threaten Humanity is all that matters in heroism, regardless of the cost, fully embracing the doctrine of the Counter Force to the point of self-indoctrination. I saw one person describe it best on Twitter: "If Kiritsugu believes in killing 100 people to save 200 lives, EMIYA Alter believes in killing 99 Innocents to defeat 1 Evil."

[@christophereim4102]

@@thomaschitham3487 Kiara alone wasn't what broke him. From the look of it. He went through both the Mind of Steel and Oath Under the Snow level pain....cause its strongly implied that he killed Fujimura Taiga

[@thomaschitham3487]

@@christophereim4102 I said his encounter with Kiara. As in, his entire encounter. Which includes: -going to her cult to kill her, -falling madly in love with her like the rest of her cultists, -possibly doing some hedonistic stuff, -mentally and emotionally psyching himself into killing her, - killing the entire cult, full of innocent people that have been bewitched by Kiara as well, because they were protecting the woman they loved, -finally cornering Kiara on a rooftop, only to have Kiara jump to her death, preventing him from being the one to kill her and thus leaving him responsible for the deaths of countless innocent victims and forcing the person he loved to commit suicide. So yeah. Especially with certain hints that EMIYA Alter is also from a Mind of Steel route where he killed Sakura, and then went on to kill the rest of the Masters, including Rin and Illya, and become the next Magus Killer.

[@christophereim4102]

@@thomaschitham3487 oh no that is not what happened. He did not fall for Kiara. He did not join the Cult. Rather he was an outside force who came in and killed innocent people in the process. Which have been implied to have included an Older Taiga Fujimura....and her Child. Which is important one. After all, Shirou will never harm Taiga no matter what path he takes. What is better way to break him then force him to harm the most important innocent in his life?

[@elian5288]

I fully agree with well done character but beloved, his kinda underrated and hate quite a bit for dumb reasons. (people who dont pay attention to detail.)

[@UtaTheClown]

A very well thought out video with fantastic points. I greatly enjoyed that you didn't bash any of the Shirou's and all your points were descriptive. Well done I greatly enjoyed this video.

[@Caminopoi66]

6:48 on that note do you think that grail war for the servants is an isekai to them

[@BlueDrakma]

CURSED

[@evilordoftheinternet4116]

You fool! You've messed with the natural order!

[@Caminopoi66]

Evilord of the Internet what do you mean

[@josedaviddelevante9211]

Oh god

[@chestertamayo1894]

But will it really be considered isekai if most of them was people who already died and just got brought back to life in the future? Really the only one who got isekai'd is Archer

[@zangatsubankai]

So, I'm about a month late (and I blame KZbin's everchanging algorithms for that) but this is seriously one of the best analysis videos I have ever seen. Between, Fran's MASSIVE character development in the course of a single abridged episode and the constant undercurrent of just how much you CARE about these characters makes this absolutely stunning to see. Thank you for making this, I might have to send this to a few friends who never warmed to Shirou as much as I did.

[@YukiKazami]

I never realized it but, if you look, the symbolism of UBW Shirou vs OUS Shirou is clear as day, they even use different arms when invoking UBW!

[@Shaifs]

Yeah, every line of the chant has meaning.

[@andromidas920]

This is honestly really good, my only criticism is that sometimes the background music almost over powered your voice, otherwise it's a excellent break down.

[@jaytheknight3315]

As a FATE/ fan and huge admirer of the character of shirou emiya , i can appreciate the effort put into the discussion of the video. there was no one side to this video , you saw as many aspects as possible from one person and was able to relay multiple perspectives... although being the same at their core. love it

[@darknessofdeath999]

5 years later and I still love this video

[@willyvereb]

In the visual novels, maybe around the point in Heaven's Feel where Shirou fights Berserker, he notes that his and Archer's world have become incompatible and he can't conjure up Unlimited Blade Works. This is why Shirou never used it in Heaven's Feel (aside from the fact that likely doing so would've been worse than going the Sparks Liner High route). In the epilogue though it is implied that Shirou not only can use projection again but can also manifest his own Reality Marble. As for what it may look like? Nobody knows. Some doujin artists attempted it in the past when writing their own fan stories but nothing official on it, AFAIK.

[@allentayoto7387]

I always wanted to explore more about Shiki Tohno, because I find him to be the Typemoon's representation of Truth. Just like how Emiya Shirou is the representation of Ideal. The reason why I don't have the same thought about Ryougi Shiki is because, she is more like a God, rather than a Human who tried to overcome something. A greater being who hid itself from everything, only to show up at somepoint in time. Whilst Shirou pursued an ideal of becoming a hero of justice. Shiki Tohno obtained the truth that life is too fragile, in a way that doesn't make it cliche. The phrase is always heard in many shows, but it obtained a new meaning for me because Shiki Tohno is the one who said it. He was allowed to easily end any life. He can see the points and line of death, and even with the use of a pencil he can take lives. Yet, he didn't abuse such powers. Shiki understood the fragility of life more than anyone, just like how Shirou understand what it means to follow his ideal of becoming a hero of justice. in a way it can be said that, Shiki Tohno understand the fragility of life, while Shiki Ryougi simply knows it completely. It's like The truth is a normal thing for Shiki Ryougi.

[@Larrythedxn]

the transition from stay night shirou to oath under snow was absolutely flawless 10/10 -IGN

[@ChaunchoCYM]

Bookmarked for when the Heaven's Feel Trilogy is completed. I don't want spoilers, but i will be back!

[@adamsabra2683]

Well its finally out (the bluray) wondering if y returned to watch it :p

[@ChaunchoCYM]

@@adamsabra2683 it is!!!! Thanks for the reply!!!

[@adamsabra2683]

@@ChaunchoCYM yw ! So did u enjoy the video and the movie ?:D animation was an eye candy like always

[@ChaunchoCYM]

@@adamsabra2683 yesssssss!

[@nero9985]

Such an amazing masterpiece

[@mypphard5965]

This is why I love oath under snow emiya theme

[@mypphard5965]

Damn thanks man

[@ScarletMagus]

Jesus Christ this is still so, so good. Every time I watch this I need to take a minute to myself. I'm reminded of the differences in the different Shirou's/Archer's Unlimited Blade Works chants and the contrasting environmental symbolism of the three versions of their respective reality marbles. Shirou is such a good character, arguably the best deconstructed and analyzed in all of Fate.

[@koalaguy2153]

I think this may be my favorite video essay on KZbin period. There’s so much detail in every minute and I always feel to mind shocked to continue and will have to listen to parts over and over again. I truly have no words for this video. I will always return to it

[@kingdraconias]

I think that Oath Under Snow Shirou is my favorite because he is the one who I empathize with the most. I would burn the world for my own little sister so I can understand his desire to save Miyu above all else. My second favorite Shirou would have to be the Fate Route Shirou and then Heavens Feel Shirou because one is standing by his ideals the other is straying from those ideals so the reflection aspect makes me enjoy those two more. UBW Shirou (not Archer) feels more like a "Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it" kind of story and so it's more of a personal struggle to simultaneously live up to his ideals and fight against a version of himself who has tried to cast aside those ideals. UBW Shirou is like a story from the perspective of the past version of someone with a future version of themselves trying to kill them. You don't normally see that perspective so I think it's interesting, but not as compelling to me as the more personal struggles without a direct conflict with Archer. Shirou from mainline Prisma Illya is a sweetheart who has way too much bullshit going on around him and is completely oblivious to things, but he tries to be there for his little sister and Kuro as best he can given his circumstances. It just turns out that things never really go his way.

[@shaifs5072]

King Draconias I’m an only child and growing up I never had anyone who would protect. I wanted a Shirou. It’s probably why OUS is more personal to me.

[@archere6833]

I at first didn't like shirou but ironically like archer but when I really thought about it there were really similar a I started like both equally and my like bounced of each other and archer/shirou became my favorite fate character.

[@burnerforburnersake9944]

They aren't the same character, their similarities are limited, but their experiences, relationships, and perceptions are limited.

[@archere6833]

@@burnerforburnersake9944 I didn't say the the same character I just said the similar and when what I mean by shirou/Archer is that there all shiro's even archer even though that doesn't go by that anymore. That how I feel about it.

[@burnerforburnersake9944]

@@archere6833 You said shirou/archer is your favorite fate character as singular, that's why I thought you saw them as the same character.

[@ssjokg4952]

@@burnerforburnersake9944 They are extremely similar. Archer is pretty cynical compared to Shirou but when the situation calls for it he will act like Emya Shirou without hesitation. Their only difference is that Archer ha combat experience.

[@MajorLawliet]

@@ssjokg4952 And a sweet hip coat. Never forget the sweet red hip coat.

[@allentayoto7387]

Oath under snow, or Fate Kaleid 3rei as a whole is amazing because it's a story of two brothers who would do everything to save their respective sisters and one girl who will do everything to save both.

[@sanitarycockroach9038]

"Hey, what do you think of it? It's a world encompassing an infinite number of swords. But to me... they look more like graves." That about sums up Oath Shirou's worldview in a nutshell.

[@parkermaisterra8532]

I think this is my favorite fate related video. I really admire the characters in fate (except Shinji) because of how complex they are- Shirou most of all since with every different installment that includes him we see a different part of him. This video feels like a celebration to all Shirou Emiya fans because for a lot of us we can’t really describe Shirou to well but this just takes everything and neatly lays it out on the table. Seriously Blue this is was absolutely amazing.

[@BlueDrakma]

[@BleakStarshine]

Every time i watch this (probably like 10 times over and over) I have to rewatch oath under snow. Probably my favourite essay on youtube. GOOD JOB BLUE

[@sabersroommate8293]

As someone who watch the Illya spin off from the start. It was worth it for that arc.

[@jesterjaded73]

The fate trilogy endings: sometimes, things just work out. Fate / Zero: all of the time, nothing works out. Ever.

[@darknessofdeath999]

I feel like I resonate more with oath under snow when it comes to personality.

[@NagiAlyxAlba]

Oath Under Snow Shirou's core difference from the Stay Night Shirous is I think his version of Kiritsugu... That Kiritsugu is one that hasn't started the flooding of Angra Mainyu, one that doesn't have Irisviel and Illya and therefore is fundamentally different... He didn't wanted to save Miyu He wanted to use her, sacrifice her for "the greater good" and Shirou comes into friction with this "hero ideal" while Kiritsugu is alive, as he sees in Miyu a child that hasn't got the chance of being human because of Kiritsugu's Ideal... Because that Kiritsugu doesn't have Illya and he doesn't have already access to a Lesser Grail (Illya and Chloe have shown to have wish granting powers to a certain extent) and in that reality he is not the one that causes the cataclysmic event of the Holy Grail War, the Ainzworths did it, his humanity and connection is severely lacking, therefore his hero of justice ideal is cruel, which makes it so that it doesn't truly gets inherited by Shirou... What that Shirou inherited is a desire to be a hero, in order to create a better world for his little sister, who becomes his world... He is different because that Kiritsugu's ideal is really different from the one he gets in Stay Night and therefore Shirou's priorities change drastically, as apart from an "ideal" he inherits Miyu, a girl whose only wish is to be his sister, to be his family, to be with him...

[@RCSG02]

7:04 everything after that for some reason made me fall for the Shiro from Oath Under Snow

[@Pedro-yr8fl]

i've watched this video so many times and it is still so fucking good! You have one of the best points of view of shiro i've ever seen

[@markedelylumbao1609]

Oh wow. Uh... At first I thought Shirou of Oath Under Snow is simply someone who excuses genocide using his sister now though? I appreciate his character a whoooollleee lot. Thanks to your analysis you made me enjoy my favorite protagonist and franchise more. Thank you very much. Also he's uniquely fleshed out in 4 alternate universes. As much as the Fate or Typemoon in general is so contrived and confusing at times realizations like yours are quite the treat. Have good day youtuber.

[@TrapConnoisseur.]

Stay night Shirou : chuckles im in danger UBW Shirou : Hippity hoppity your swords are now my property Hf and miyuverse movie shirou : Hey, your daughter calls me daddy too

[@Bloodmatrix13]

Emiya Shirou and Cu Chulainn are my absolute favorite characters in the universe. I loved this vid man

[@lucasmillerthelewderofloli9327]

Emiya is best mom and Cu is best older bro.

[@user-ki8wg3xm3e]

I can't stop watching this video, it's just that good and well done.

[@thedragonking900]

UBW and oath under snow are always my two favorites and the original stay night as my 3rd i love how both those shioru's are developed and how they grow in their story. i had to skip through season 3's fate/kaleid to get more into that version and the pain staking moments in there but that pain is worth it to see him kick ass.

[@bruhmoment4380]

Emiya Shirō in Kaleid has still an Ally of Justice mindset. He saved Miyu because he thought it was impossible for a small girl being either the evil in the world and the things that if sacrificed will allow the world to survive. And he has reason, however in the 4th season after losing the "flame" of ideals that warms his heart, he regains it in a new confrontation with his ideals, but this time he is sure that he will try save the world and everyone, and probably we will hear a different chant to summon the Unlimited Blade Works

[@lCaptainCanaryl]

Unlimited Blade Works as a concept is- it's one of many things that drive me in life. The concept of a reality created by you, from you, that reflects who you are. hopefully, one day, i can gain enough skill in something, some craft, that will allow me to carve my name on this world, not like a marker on a board, but a chisel onto stone. And i personally feel that every person should feel this way to some extend or variation.

[@HatakeDevon]

I've come back to this video so many times now.... Honestly its one of favorites videos on youtube

[@TheDragonsPit]

OOF not mentioning Last Episode when it comes to Fate Shirou misses a key point to what makes him different from UBW HF and OUS Shirou. Especially when you mention Fate Shirou compared to OUS and UBW didn't get UBW while technically correct he does eventually get it as seen in Last Episode and much like UBW Shirou it's an endless wasteland of a wanderer who will endlessly try to reach the unreachable, thus reflecting the only small change to that UBW it lacks the brightness of UBW's and in it's cracks one can see it through Avalon.

[@Cyberweasel89]

Really powerful video, man. Showing it to all my friends. Thanks for this!

[@TurinTurambar200]

I enjoyed the video quite a bit. If I may give one piece of constructive criticism, either slowing down the speed at which you speak or bookending each major portion of the video with a visual or audio pause will make the points you're making much more digestible.

[@mr.cheese1865]

Hooray! This masterpiece of a video can be viewed now!

[@HachannEinzbern]

Pretty good video, i always respect Hiroyama for writing a Shirou that is both faithful to the VN version and still unique, i doubt most Fate writers could do the same, plus it got the most faithful adaptation so that's a W for me

[@whateverwhatever4476]

A lot of ppl just view OUS Shirou as just a fanfic Shirou

[@Alex-pl8ii]

Oath under the snow in a poem: Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tatta ichido no haisou mo naku Tatta ichido no shouri mo nashi Ishi wa mata hitori, tsurugi no oka de saihyō wo kudaku Keredo, kono shōgai wa imada hatezu Itsuwari no karada wa, soredemo tsurugi de dekite ita

[@GamerTDM]

I thought sympathizing with archer was easy to do, its like Shirou from UBW, he had a life where killing would break him and before he became a counter guardian he didn’t kill he only saved the people he could even if it would result in his death. At one point in his life he was trying to stop a war and his “Allies” betrayed him and ended up branding him as the mastermind of that war and was executed for it. When this happened he said “humans will be humans” and forgave them but when he became a counter guardian he had to kill countless people and this was kiritsugus method but on a larger scale by saving the many at the cost of the few, for obvious reasons Shirou didn’t agree with that method he wanted to save as many as possible as opposed to killing anyone. Eventually Shirou gets tired of killing people and is desperately looking for a way out the contract and remembers the pendant and tries to get himself summoned by Rin in the 5th holy grail war. As a note here: when he tells Rin that his memories are hazy he doesn’t tell the full truth he does remember who he is he just doesn’t remember everything just the important details like the fire

[@elchango7031]

I started to watch this video, then paused it, waited for the third Heaven's Feel film and then I could watch this video again. Totally worth it.

[@tiredalex5693]

I mean, the heaven's feel shiro is actually very selfish, because he chooses to go for sakura despite being fully aware that he'd be knowingly condeming everyone else to death since he already knew that she was the thing that kept killing people left and right and consuming the servants, the selfish desire to save one person versus many is anything but selfless from my prospective (I mean, besides the fact that he dedicated himself to save her no matter the cost)

[@VanrougeSimp]

This kind of reminds me of a quote from.. Mean girls. Like there are two types of evil people in this world, one that does evil stuff and the other that watches or knows that the other person is doing evil things and.. Doesn't do anything. It just remind me of that quote

[@yevonsama]

@Omega Zero yeah. Agree with you. HF Shirou and UBW Shirou actually not really different from each other. They still trying to save everyone. It just HF Shirou lost almost of plot armor ( which UBW Shirou has. Remember, the world almost will be destroyed if CG Archer doesn't come to save UBW Shirou and Rin). While every Shirou always talking about save people. It is HF Shirou who really understand everyone' suffering among him. It is only him who hold both Sakura and Illya, and cries for their fate, wishing that if he can save both of them. With me, Fate and UBW Shirou is Karl Marx, who cost his life to talk about his wishing to save people. That is why we see him so clean and beauty. While HF Shirou is the real person who really jump into the abyss to save people, that is why we see him more "dirty" than other Shirou.

[@rifan2835]

@@yevonsama i know it late, but i don't think wolrd gonna be destroyed if archer didn't show up in the end, it just end with shirou and gil dead

[@yevonsama]

@@rifan2835 If Archer didn't re-summoned, Rin would be killed. Shirou UBW actually can't finish Gil. So, Gil will finally kill him. The only hope now is Saber. However, I don't think that she knows where she should destroy at first. She actually mentions that they should kill "vessel" ( Shinji) first, instead of the "Black Hole". However, Saber only can use Excalibur for one time. If she tries to destroy the Hole, the vessel is still there to keep the hole open ( actually, we don't sure about it. Hope it will work). If she destroys the vessel - > Great Fire again. = > 50/50.

[@rifan2835]

@@yevonsama nah worst thing happened is both shirou and gil becuase shirou will sacrifice himself and let go get absorbed by the grail(or cut of his own hand), and absorbed by the Grail. Because both not being proper Vassel the grail won't be completed in and will destroyed by saber afterwards anyway

[@davegarcia8809]

I have watched this video so many times and each time I’m glued to the screen

[@tyson1348]

Really really great character analysis. You can make more of these, i would really enjoy it.

[@arkfe4r469]

I can rewatch this video over and over and it won't get old

[@WhatlfIDontWantAName]

Don't mind me. Just back for my bimonthly rewatch.

[@nball548]

I love this character. It is an inspiration

[@GoblinLord]

I think Shirou shows the potential of Visual Novels, because it lets you see so many different angles of the same protagonist, and that lets you come to such a deep and personal bond to the character. This concept by the way extends further, as in, I personally think the idea of a Visual Novel format should be applied to other types of games, multiple endings, various ways to die from making bad choices (think of it like an RPG where decisions give you experience, not farming), think of playing Shirou, you fail at UBW or tried to do it before Fate route, You are now fighting with Rin, in the school, You're outmatched though because your poor decisions gave you no experience, thus you're under-classed and she kills you, same as the visual novel, but like much worse than even an Anime, because you have to play as she catches up to you

[@RottenPieceof]

I like how even though we never got the full adaptation of Shirou’s journey into becoming Archer, but we still get an idea of which path each Shirou is more likely to end up on through the different Archers DEEN Shirou is Archer Emiya (clueless idiot, making the same mistakes) UBW Shirou is Nameless Emiya (continuing to strive for his ideal self through hardships) OUS Shirou is Emiya Alter (given up on everything, even his blades)

[@connormccarthy6741]

God, I always find myself coming back here. This is such a great video

[@Gsolaris]

Brilliant analysis. Well done.

[@Elroid]

Whenever I think of Shirou, this analysis always come to mind. Still my fave work, all this years later!

[@Dojinshiii]

From my understanding, the reason why 'Miyuverse Shirou' was able to use UBW in OUS is because he stole the powers of the Counter-Force from an unrealized ideal in Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Since the class card was a fake, Shirou forged a path to that unrealized ideal; had he taken the 'Hero' path. Instead, like explained in the video, Shirou wasn't given the same treatment as in the original universe of Fate, Shirou had to 'create' an ideal. But, and I am theorizing, that seems to me like the Counter-Force exists for every Hero it applies to; regardless of the universe and version of that individual. So, simplistically, Shirou stole the power from the Counter-Force for the potential Heroic Spirit EMIYA of that universe. Since he is justified in his means, and resembles and 'Chaotic/Evil' spirit, I would propose that he is 'Neutral/Evil'. As he seeks to accomplish a selfish wish, but doesn't seek to kill indiscriminately; only to kill those who directly stand in his way.

[@KAIKIN]

Me personally likes HF&OUS Shirou the most. They are no longer the hero they wanted to be, but became a different kind of hero in a different way. It reminds me of Touma from index, they are willing to fight the whole world just for one person's sake. "Those who follow their feelings that spring up within them, without having to be told by anyone to do so, and try to keep going straight forward."

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

So wp shirou is realist dreamer ?

[@enigmaticnebula1570]

I was never that interested in Kalied liner, but Oath Under Snow sounds really interesting with what it does with Shirou's character. I might watch it after finishing the VN.

[@ricardoramos1059]

This video in short brokedown Shirou in the simplest yet detailed analysis of his character in four different scenarios, breaking down shirous life, ideals, circumstances and personality as well as running themes of the character in a understandable manner. BlueDrakmaVA thank you for making this video

[@nonoput]

When you start explaining Shirou Miyuverse, I cried.

[@sabarbudiman5595]

that BGM when you explain miyuverse Shirou make me cry a lot

[@DTWesker]

Let me summarize this: Fate route: I want to go there. My dream, I mean. UBW: So I'm having some doubts about that peak performance but I want that anyway. HF: Yeah....I'm stepping down and be a family man. Oath Under Snow: Fuck hero of justice. I mean it. Fuck hero of justice. Hidden route (FGO Murasame): Just let me be a little more ... technical. Just a little. Just a little. And here I am forging weapons of gods.

[@gato6373]

Although UBW is the Shirou I enjoy the most nowadays Fate Shirou from the Deen anime will always have a spot in my heart for not only introducing me to the character but to everything he represents. All the ideals, heroism, kindness and all of the other aspects that make Shirou Emiya be Shirou Emiya.

[@KnuckleHeadKing6]

Finally an Successful Shirou Analyst Video great job man... FYI Shirou Is Top 3 best overall male protagonist in Anime...

[@onizame5480]

great video dude

[@dashfire109gaming5]

Great video. Really enjoyed your take on this

[@connormccarthy6741]

I honestly wanna see more of White Haired Shirou Emiya

[@arcanus5120]

He is what I will say. I like UBW Shirou the best, but the fact that we have gotten this many complex iterations of the character says a lot. Thanks for the video- it was cool.

[@codykulig5919]

You make Very valid points as well as good descriptions of each of the different scenarios. In my opinon. Fate Stay Shiro is his innocence to the world, UBW is his realization of the cruel reality of the world while at the same time overcoming that cruelty to become his own person. In all honesty i think the Shiro from fate stay is Archer in UBW. it makes sence cause this archer is much more knowledgeable about his surrondings .

[@SantosAl]

Except Nasu has stated that all routes prevent Shirou from turning into Archer.

[@damiannova5207]

Yo Blue Drakma, I’ve watched this like 4 times. I love this video. Anytime I get into or back into Fate I always watch it. This is such an engaging, creative, well thought-out and well-scripted video that it blows me away.