The Crown (4x09)- Charles and Diana's Marriage is called into Question (Part 1)

In The Crown Season 4 Episode 9, Princess Diana and Prince Charles have been called in to speak to The Queen and Prince Philip about the state of their marriage. When asked whether they want their marriage to work, Charles and Diana have seemingly opposing views.
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[@thomas_hobbs1453]

The dude came prepared with a whole entire list of his complaints and grievances.

[@queenk2738]

as a very introverted person would. He's afraid to speak up to his parents

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@queenk2738 what a spineless Lilly livered jelly

[@amandaljohnson]

My thoughts EXACTLY

[@susan7090]

Me me me me me me. He revered himself as the only true importance

[@arielathomo229]

Only introvert can understand introvert.

[@Victrola66]

Love how Phillip winked at her, how he was on her side)).

[@ShiningFriendship87]

Me too! I love how affectionate he was towards her.

[@chykim1]

I thought he was very kind to her💞

[@MichaelCH2007]

'Was' being the key word by the end of the season

[@isabelleleblanc-cheminant1078]

Yes, in real life they exchanged letters even after the divorce and Diana called him Papa. It seems like he was a pretty kind father-in-law who cared about her. Historically that last scene (in the very last episode between Diana and Phillip) was probably inaccurate

[@saladspinner3200]

@@MichaelCH2007 I watched the scene again the other day it's very clear he's still on her side after their bedroom discussion. He was trying to lay out the law in his OWN specific way.

[@asosisos659]

charles had a powerpoint presentation ready to show why they should get divorced

[@kdmdlo]

And Diana undercut him. Awesome.

[@KingAgniKai]

@@kdmdlo no awesome considering what happens.

[@kdmdlo]

@@KingAgniKai It just further shows that Charles was (and is) a spineless nozzle with no moral authority.

[@KingAgniKai]

@@kdmdlo how? Charles didn't even want to marry Diana. The family forced him to get together with her. Diana stubbornly clung to the marriage.

[@kdmdlo]

@@KingAgniKai Huh. Last I knew, consent was a required part of marriage in the Anglican Church. While the family attempted to force it, he could always say no. There's nothing they could have done to "force him". He made his choice and then, like the spoiled brat he is, wasn't happy about it because he wife wouldn't put up with him running around with other woman (how dare she!).

[@zarinaa1135]

Elizabeth and Philip are on a couch, Diana is on a separate couch and Charles is in a chair. What picture perfect symbolism for each mindset and motives in their marriages.

[@peeplup]

You mean Charles on the chair?

[@zarinaa1135]

@@peeplup thanks! I just fixed it

[@lear6884]

"Then why have you broken your vows, as I understand you have" She should have asked Charles that first. It started with him.

[@Xerxes2005]

Let's be honest here: Charles spoke first. Diana interrupted him by telling she wanted this marriage to work. It's normal then that the Queen would question her, and not Charles.

[@kanamenoname210]

@@Xerxes2005 Nope, that's not how normal conversations with good mothers work. Good mothers hold both accountable. No wonder why the dude is known to be spoiled, he never got the correct discipline or talking to by his mum

[@Xerxes2005]

​@@kanamenoname210 She did held both accountable. She asked both of them about the marriage. Then Diana interrupted Charles and said SHE wanted to make the marriage work so, of course, the Queen asked her about her unfaithfulness. Afterall, Diana was talking. In the second part of that conversation, Charles doesn't get to say a word. Mommy and Daddy stop the conversation and deem the matter settled after DIana's little play.

[@melissam597]

Charles wasn’t saying he wanted the marriage to work 🤷🏼‍♀️ as for cheating, two wrongs don’t make a right

[@evanwinther7061]

I think the show-runners were trying to draw attention to the double standard going on.... That much was apparent. The fact that Charles could practically live with Camilla, meet with her out in the open, without repercussions... his loyalty no called into question... and yet, has practically a whole security team watching Diana around the clock, ready to rat her out in the event she meets with a guy this one time. And boom, that’s it, it’s over. She’s resumed her affair. It’s the double standard. He can get away with living his double life. She can’t. They also didn’t give her any handmaids or lady friends to live with her, to keep her company, like, she was basically by herself at Kensington. Living in a palace by herself. Of course she would get lonely lol That’s just my thoughts on it...

[@scottlabossiere1866]

Why isn’t the queen asking Charles about his unfaithfulness as well

[@ryanmatzelle9377]

The Crown is a drama not a documentary they showed this to add drama to the scene.

[@stephencraver8472]

@@ryanmatzelle9377 they never said otherwise

[@Sedna063]

Because frankly, in earlier times, a mistress was kinda accepted as long as the public remained in bliss.

[@Angelaius]

@@Sedna063 to be more clear high status people still have misstresses

[@buxxi90]

Power structures and sexism, really. Things have changed since Henry VIII who beheaded his wives for the slightest hint of unfaithfulness, even though he shagged the whole court himself. But they haven't changed THAT much.

[@TheUndulyNoted]

"Then why have you broken your vows, as I understand you have" "Because he did it 10,000 times first"

[@isabelbeckerman1262]

My God, this is incredible at the time. Didn't the Queen realize her dipshit son, the future ruler of England, was committing infidelity with Camilla during his alliance with Diana? It's been this way with Charles long before they exchanged vows, and it's a fact Camilla is the love of his life. The way the Queen antagonized and belittled Diana was inexcusable, and Charles came across as a shivering mama boy too afraid to stand up for himself or speak his peace. And he was to be the future ruler of England the day mum passes away. I wonder if Elizabeth was in denial the monarchy had its shares of scandals, such as her uncle abdicated the throne to marry a divorced American woman and her sister Margaret, known for her reputed romances and questionable lifestyles. Now Prince Chucky is having issues with sonny Harry and Meghan Markle, who recently denies them the privileges of any royal assessments for being brazenly involved in a confessional tv spot soon after he crowns King. The citizens of England should look forward to having a monarch with scruples hiding in his closet.

[@a.t.c.3862]

@@isabelbeckerman1262 Diana tread the same path of stupidity which Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard had foolishly taken before her.

[@uninterruptedrhythm4104]

A.T.C. Its the modern era. Who cares? The prince did it, so why can't she?

[@LuzMaria95]

@@isabelbeckerman1262 exactly!!!!

[@glen7318]

@@uninterruptedrhythm4104 Nothing to stop her. She did it. The RF didn't mind about that provided she was discreet but it seems like she first had a flirtatin with Manakee who was a policeman and got caught in some kind of compromising situation with him.. Then she had J Hewitt who spoke about their affair. That's not being discreet

[@kk-gg6hs]

Diana reminds me of me when I was in a relationship with a narcissistic scumbag. I was so madly love with him (still haven't figure out why) that I literally begged for his love and affection. He ofc denied the slightest sign of love but still demanded from me to be faithful and caring etc. I felt like a withering flower waiting for a rain that never came. Uprooting myself from such a desert was the most difficult thing I have never done, but it was very rewarding...

[@ms.crawford1335]

Love isn't something u can ask or beg for .. I it something u win and be gifted ..

[@shedskin01]

That was beautifully written. You should consider channeling your stories, for as painful as they are, in writing

[@kk-gg6hs]

@@shedskin01 Thank you so much! Writing has always been therapeutic for me :)

[@kk-gg6hs]

@@ms.crawford1335 I wish I had this straightforward mindset, but I just can't unfortunately.

[@conserztasfia0078]

How is it going now Have u guys broke up? Did u move on

[@JC-kz3ut]

Can we just please appreciate the lengths Josh O'Connor has gone to study PoW's smallest mannerisms to the tee? They may not look alike, but his posture, the smallest twitches, are uncanny.

[@lordalessan]

When Anne had an affair with an officer, the Royal Family managed to relocate him. Why couldn't they do that for Camilla?

[@abhishetty2637]

Because she wasn't a employee of the cown, she's a rich Nobel who had her own power

[@lordalessan]

@@abhishetty2637 Clearly they could've done something, since they got Camilla to marry Andrew.

[@gill__y7685]

@@lordalessan I meeeean she did live in Gloucestershire, and the royal family cant just force Charles to not travel to his estate in Gloucestershire.

[@thehistoryfreak13]

also because it was Charles the prince of wales

[@Rotimi4]

Remember they set Camilla up with Andrew Parker Bowls, thinking that would end their affair, but it didn’t.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

Maybe if they had listened to Charles and let them divorce early, so much of what happened later, all the pain and misery, could have been avoided. Actually all of it would have been avoided if they had just let Charles marry who he actually wanted.

[@AnnaGirardini]

The thing is, Camilla did not want Charles, no matter what The Crown series says. Camilla wanted Parker Bowls, and she got him. Only after, with all her husband's cheating and Charles being always there, vulnerable and adoring, she started warming up to him. By that time, the Queen and family started to pressure Charles to find a wife and here comes the perfect little lamb, Diana Spencer. Charles married Diana and Camilla sort of agreed to stay on the side. Maybe, with all the cynicism around them, Charles and Camilla deluded themselves that Diana could take it, no big deal. But she wasn't like them. Diana was a romantic teen looking to escape from that cynic world (aka the Spencer family) and the affair tortured her.

[@송관석-r2z]

@@AnnaGirardini lol nice fanfiction

[@AnnaGirardini]

@@송관석-r2z I am a good narrator, indeed :P

[@vitorialuna8260]

They did the same with the queen's sister, I think he could have left everything to be with Camilla. Others think it is easy to talk but that for him it would be difficult to leave everything he knew. But both Charles and Camilla were older Diana was just starting out in life he made her unhappy by putting the blame on her for not being able to be with who she really wanted to be.

[@conserztasfia0078]

Well diana did want to make that marriage work Probably bcz she wasnt strong enough to bear divorce

[@justinlover4ev]

what kind of love potion does camilla have charles on.

[@chykim1]

I hear in her youth, she taught the boys in Sussex a thing or two .. so let's just say, she's quite experienced in the bedroom & Diana was an inexperienced Virgin😔

[@MariaRyzhikh]

You could never have the Tampon level talk with Diana. I am reading a book by her protection officer and Diana was appalled that you could even talk about such disgusting things between each other.

[@Xerxes2005]

I have the same question about Diana and everyone on these Crown tubes...

[@kanamenoname210]

2 things, a very experienced life in the bedroom and the ability to turn the other way if her husband/man has other girls (low self esteem often does that)

[@msr1116]

P power and a man more in love with her than she with him.....which if handled correctly, keeps a man hooked forever. I have witnessed three men ensnared like this, each by a different woman. It's incredible what men will do to avoid losing her. Highly similar to a substance addiction.

[@supermodelwannabe]

Congrats to Emma and Josh for winning their 1st golden globes!

[@imwishingyougodspeedglory7438]

Now Golden Globes AND Critic's Choice wins for both!

[@ShiningFriendship87]

Philip’s wink = 😍😍😍

[@SMKDance]

shes not asking diana why she's broken her vow because she doesn't hold charles accountable, she's asking since diana is the one who wants to work for it. why ask charles when he's been an infamous cheat who clearly never could hold up his end of the bargain

[@aquasheep9535]

Good point

[@mmartins6364]

Exactly! The Queen and Prince Philip tried their best in order to help them. And they took Diana's side in the whole part. Unfortunately, her infamous interview caused one of the most hurtful scandal in the crown history and they had to step back. When she died, they blamed them for everything, but the tree fact is they were suffering. Everybody in the royal family was suffering, felling guilty, hurt and worried with William and Harry! They didn't know what to do, that's the real truth :/ Everything in this story is so, so sad :/

[@glen7318]

@@mmartins6364 I dont think they took sides, they just wanted the marriage to work at least on a public level, for the sake of teh monarchy. I think that they felt a bit blaming of Charles, but increasingly they got fed up with Diana and were relieved in the end when the divorce happened and she was out of the family

[@mmartins6364]

@@glen7318 I have to agree with you in some points! But the divorce was something that doesn’t work well for them! It was a scandal after another and, when they finally seemed to have achieved midterms the accident happened and most part of the England and the World started to hate them! It was a very hard time, but in my personal opinion, I don’t think there are villains or heroes in this story! They were just humans trying to do the best for something valuable and bigger than themselves! It is complicated :/

[@glen7318]

@@mmartins6364 The Queen didnt want a divorce, true and she tried to keep the couple married.. but she reached a point where she coudl see that it was causing more division in the UK for the couple to be at odds with each other, than for a clean cut divorce.. and she insisted on it. I think she was relieved to see Diana out of the RF and probably gagged by a NDA.

[@khfan4life365]

As much as I love this show, it didn’t address Diana’s horrible childhood. Her parents had a horrible divorce and she (understandably) never liked the woman her father married after. Her parents would also bad-mouth the other, which is very damaging to children (speaking from experience here). I think her parents played a role in Diana’s mental health falling apart. From what I’ve read from butlers and other people who worked with and near the Prince and Princess of Wales, Diana had mood swings and was very clingy and insecure. Add an eating disorder and it’s a perfect storm. None of that was her fault, though, because I think there was unresolved trauma regarding her parents. Unlike how things are now, she and her siblings never got therapy during and after her parents’ divorce. Sadly, I think that it played a part in her marriage falling apart. All I can say is shame on her parents for never making sure their kids were okay after the divorce.

[@irawilliams343]

This was all Charles's fault

[@zitronenkeks9362]

I personally think it isn‘t really Charles’s or Dianas’s fault... they just weren‘t the right one for each other and this is the main reason for the Failure of their Mariage

[@cherylannemason]

@@zitronenkeks9362 what I've been saying for years--that it takes two to make a relationship work or not.

[@Ava50019]

It was the royal family's fault. They persuaded Charles to marry Diana even though he was in love with Camilla.

[@cherylannemason]

It wasn't just the royals putting on the pressure for this marriage to take place--Diana recounted once how she had talked about cancelling or at least postponing, and her sisters told her, "Too late, the tea towels are already being sold." Seems as though a royal event of any kind, that is months if not years in the planning, can take on a life of its own regardless of the toll on the people involved.

[@msr1116]

@@Ava50019 .....Charles had no choice but to marry and produce legitimate heirs but he put that off only for as long as he could. If it hadn't been Diana it would have been another young woman of similar background since he did consider a number of others prior to 1980. Charles would have been happy to remain a bachelor, with Camilla as his very close but safely married friend to provide sexual benefits and to cater to his considerable emotional needs.

[@xxIluvyouguysxx]

It’s so surreal how much she looks and sounds like Diana

[@mihikadeo]

Is no one going to talk about the wink Phillip gave Diana at 0:18!?

[@ShiningFriendship87]

I didn’t notice it the first time I watched this scene, but I did here. The wink was very cute and a silent way of showing Philip was on Diana’s side.

[@MariaRyzhikh]

@@ShiningFriendship87 yes, he actually was in reality before the divorce and the panorama stuff.

[@glen7318]

@@MariaRyzhikh I doubt it. He would not admire soemone who talked to the press

[@dallasyap3064]

Prince Philip blinked at her, I guess he's on her side.

[@conniecanas1422]

Yeah because he was a cheater too

[@ShiningFriendship87]

There is no evidence that Philip cheated, just speculation.

[@priscillajimenez27]

I just realized something. Narcissis and empaths are drawn to each other. It makes sense she wants it to work when though he's mistreated her.

[@MaxxCoyote]

"The Marriage of the Future Monarch." Actual Elizabeth laughs in immortality.

[@KingAgniKai]

...

[@MaxxCoyote]

@@KingAgniKai That's right, I said it! I said it 2 years ago, and I'd say it again! I never saw the body!

[@glen7318]

@@MaxxCoyote how ridiculous. you think the queen was immortal

[@MaxxCoyote]

@@glen7318 I see she's fooled you too.

[@Moonlight_0419]

It might seem crazy what I'm about to say-

[@mariamalyk2621]

it is not documentary, people continue to believe that every scene is real ...

[@xosbabymama4703]

“Broken your vows” so Charles is allowed to constantly cheat on Diana but Diana isn’t allowed to find comfort it other peoples arms?!

[@ivy456]

No, she asked because Diana said she wanted her marriage to work.

[@thomaspaull2594]

There was an earlier scene where the Queen calls out Charles for the sin of adultery

[@helios24601]

That is cleary not what the queen meant. The question was asked only to Diana because that question was unneccssary for Charles. If you watch this clip here from the very next episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/barWlYWkar5_itk&ab_channel=MJLourens it's pretty clear that the queen is fully aware the marriage issues began with Charles and that Diana is more or less suffering because of it. She doesn't need to ask the question of Charles because she fully knows he has no intention of making it work (the response he was beginning to give when she asked if either of them had the intention of making it work clearly implied he was going to suggest a divorce or something). But since Diana came outright and said passionately that she want to make it work, then it would be reasonable to ask why Diana exactly cheated in the first place; note that she isn't exactly demonizing or saying Diana was wrong here at any point (she even talks about turning a blind eye which probably seems like it'd go both ways), but simply questioning her motivations for the affair if she DID want the marriage to work.

[@викторияамара]

@KZbinYT even if it's not a dramatized show, and they just happen to be two random couple discussing with the husband's parents and his mother asks this question, it's still wrong, and ridiculous, and sexist as fuck. she's broken her vows and she gets condemned for it, and Charles the serial adulterer gets applauded for it? the nerve. I hope he didn't even give her any HIV AIDS from Camilla and whoever else Camilla may have slept with.

[@生き甲斐-z5h]

how do u expect me to look at the actor playing philip the same way after his role as a villain in outlander

[@jananibrohier1595]

Same here, It hits different.

[@Crusher29]

They've totally disregarded to what Charles had to say

[@Wheelermayfield27]

No one gave a damn about what he had to say then, & no one gives a damn about what he has to say now.

[@Crusher29]

@@Wheelermayfield27 Well i did, he had points made and gave it some thought... no the lady says it's ok and wants to make the marriage work and all is suddenly well? I understand his frustration in this situation

[@kanamenoname210]

@@Crusher29 yeah most people don't care about cheats, and betas. You are the rare few.

[@Crusher29]

@@kanamenoname210 She cheated too

[@Lalo3001]

@@Wheelermayfield27 Say what you will about old Charlie, but if they gave a damn about what he had to say, maybe Diana would still be alive today...???

[@rrickarr]

That was a very succinct and profound question the Queen asked.

[@nykia31]

Diana was too sweet of a soul for that world

[@conniecanas1422]

You're naive

[@glen7318]

@@conniecanas1422 Very!

[@Sunshine0022]

This is truth, Charles had no choice (emotionally and monarchally) to marry princess Diana. Although raised to be very attention seeking ofc in a house of scrutiny yet praised from the entire nation and beyond, Charles grew up to love the attention and learn his values, what incorrectly is unsettling is his damage to Diana, game doesn’t mean happiness, and happiness doesn’t mean happiness, it could also mean burning narcissistic scowl behind it. Diana was ridiculed and didn’t deserve it, by all means the whole family is strict and cold hearted for the sacrifice of the monarchy to keep everything stable. Diana absolutely didn’t deserve any of Charles and that’s where he is WRONG!

[@adrunkgorillawithalobotomy353]

Um....is English your second language? Please don't use online translators. Your comment makes little sense. Very little sense. Almost none.

[@freya1132]

@@adrunkgorillawithalobotomy353 rude

[@Sunshine0022]

@Sophie I’ve watched plenty of documentaries on her, he once felt around her waist and said “ we’re a lil chubby here aren’t we” Are you kidding me?

[@Sunshine0022]

@Sophie the one actuall fake one was the gift to Charles of remaking the frank Sinatra , the fight they had is very asusmabel considering around the time diana had enough confidence to tell of Camilla to explain that she knew what was going on, she heard such ruckus and screaming when Charles and his buddy went upstairs to give them the privacy. Another instance is from a former butler of some sort who follower her who she trusted for a long time, had a duty to say to Charles that theres suspicous evidence about Camilla that Diana didn’t know yet and Charles said “ can’t you lie?” And then threw a book at him...

[@glen7318]

@@Sunshine0022 what are you on about?

[@LyricalXilence]

I love how they incorporated Charles habit of turning his pinky ring. What year is this? 1992?

[@robertyates9500]

Closer to 1988 given the timeline

[@himurahaibara1459]

Besides of everything wrong with charles, i think Diana's parents didn't teach her about reality. She looked like she's been living in fairytale and believed that's how the world works.

[@shirtless6934]

Exactly right. Charles was following the rules. Produce an heir and a spare, and then free to do what he wants, as long as he is disceet about it. Diana could do the same. But divorce was unthinkable.

[@rawrisiloveuindinify]

She was 19 when she married him. She was a teenager who never got to grow up and fall in love and have relationships, instead she was Inprisoned into an abusive marriage that left her depressed and anorexic. Ofc she was a little naive she was so young.

[@KingAgniKai]

@@rawrisiloveuindinify 19 is not a teenager. Thats adult age...

[@rosierennie5867]

Bloody hell, Tobias really does have old Phil's mannerisms down 😂😂😂

[@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160]

JAJAJAJAJA for me he studied the duke's behavior for hours

[@mahtsew1268]

People need to realise that this is not a documentary

[@TroyTalks.]

I love how you hear multiple ticking clocks in the background. Great symbolism!

[@KeilKilolass]

Wow thanks for pointing it out, I didn't notice this before!!

[@drshepherd6567]

I can't believe Lady Di would say "I still want..... with all my hearth"!

[@pixied1028]

Married 40 years ago today miss her so.

[@yz4043]

That dress is iconic

[@sunrise1248]

Omg, i have gone through this, & i really appreciate ol the comments 👏👏👏👏

[@gracierosemiller4411]

People throw the word Narcissist to casually and Charles is not a Narc because Narcs have no empathy and are incapable of love. Charles clearly loved Camilla and Camilla was not marriage material and that is solely on the Queen. I think over time Charles came to resent Diana because she was popular and loved by everyone and Charles was not. They both made choices some good some bad but Diana was someone you could relate to she was a mother she had depression she had an eating disorder she was empathetic she was just a beautiful person inside and out. I think in the beginning Charles cared for Diana but in the end resented her.

[@thomas_hobbs1453]

Love is a mysterious thing. You cannot force someone to love just because the woman (Diana in this case) happened to be one of the most beautiful women of all time. I mean many men would but physical beauty and having a great rapport with the public are sometimes not what a man is looking for. Charles loved Camilla and we all know she was nothing compared to Diana. But even Diana, a heavenly beauty herself, couldn't win over her own husband. And there's also another lesson here that all that glitters is not gold. She wanted to marry a prince so bad but he was golden only on the exterior not the interior but there are men who aren't prince at all from the exterior meaning materially but they will treat a woman like a queen even though they don't have a lot of money.

[@mkelebay]

I like the simple visual que of how Charles sits alone in the chair, not besides Diana on the couch.

[@sarah.rarwasunavailable]

The actor that plays Charles is fine

[@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337]

Everyone in this room except Charles is dead.

[@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160]

Yeah

[@Luis-yx1xi]

I wonder if the British people would want Charles on the trone after this TV show ends.

[@navneethkrishnan3412]

Unfortunately and sadly, yes... In the UK, there are still thousands of fans for that shameless man and his mistress...😔😔 I don't understand how, after all that they've done. Probably all of them are mistresses and home wreckers..

[@aaltocykloneller274]

@@navneethkrishnan3412 Charles is the Heir to the British throne, so who we want on the throne doesn't come into account. We will only ever hear Diana's side of the story and given the press were always going to be on her side rather then a middle aged balding man, I think you have to take this entire thing with a pinch of salt as one died in 1997 and the other will never speak of it. Most documentaries we see today are with people who knew one or the other, so it could be argued that it's from a point of view rather then the full truth. Personally, I don't particularly care who sit's on the throne because the only change most of us will see is the anthem being changed to "God save the King".

[@navneethkrishnan3412]

@@aaltocykloneller274 You're right, it won't make much a difference actually who sits on the throne except for no longer having 'God Save the Queen'. But what I felt was that although we don't know the complete truth, we do know that he betrayed the mother of his children without thinking about her or at least his children, which isn't an acceptable action for a married man. Such people don't deserve respect, whether he's a King or an ordinary man..

[@supermodelwannabe]

i doubt they care. they love kissing their royals feet lol

[@whataday-whataday]

@@aaltocykloneller274 Heir to a throne divorced persons not allowed to sit on since they are head of the church of England, you mean that throne? Aren't those the criteria? First-born AND not divorced?

[@lillyjangraham9398]

If Charles had loved Dianna, they could have ruled the world.

[@sherinaabdool1278]

Never would happen Diana Spencer and Camilla could never rules this world both women are far behind from ruling the world 🌍 both women have nothing and no accomplishment by doing that Diana is a complete disgrace in lifes and the most foolish woman ever how people in this world could ever think that a disgrace and foolish woman like Diana could be queen

[@lifesymphony2024]

It is better to go on separate ways when they don't love or prioritise each other anymore. Go and live happily with whoever you want to. That's my take in this matter. Remember to do it legally. Don't have illegitimate affairs.

[@glen7318]

no such thing as illegitimate affairs

[@CanImperator]

They should have listened to Princess Margaret who said "we have to stop them before they tie the knot"

[@glen7318]

no, she didnt.

[@CanImperator]

@@glen7318 in the show, she did.

[@StephanieMT]

the whole royal family since the beginning of time has been scandalous

[@WELLHELLOMISSAMANDA]

It’s ridiculous that she wanted to stay with a man who doesn’t want her

[@conniecanas1422]

And she didn't want him either because she was sleeping with everyone. She probably didn't want to lose all the benefits of living in the palace

[@amirulasyraf1409]

@@conniecanas1422 benefit? as far as I know Diana is more popular than any member of the Royal society and after seperate and divorce.

[@glen7318]

@@amirulasyraf1409 what good was that to her? She had public support but it was beginning to fade by the last year or so of her life.. and she was now out of hte RF

[@Lightblue.JA18]

i love how phillip its silence but calculator and influential in decisive times.He is the consort that every queen should have

[@fgd1883]

HM the Queen act like a judge when she asked both Diana whether anyone of them does not want this marriage to work. It was very difficult for Diana's she wanted to stay in the marriage while Charles wanted a divorce. Diana loves Charles. Prince Philip was the sole party who had adored, loves Diana and hated Charles for separating WTH Diana. She was alone without the support frm any member of the royal family. So she has to leave. It was truly a very sad ending. That is why William and Harry will do anything to protect their loves one. Charles has no say because he nvr care abt his son's. He nvr as nt there most of the time when his son's wanted him. He left them to nanny Tiggy. So Charles Dont blame anyone if you cannt get the love frm yr sons. They witnessed everything in ur marriage. So accept the punishment.

[@Craigtuckett]

This whole situation is a sad state of affairs 😢 The pressure of duty and office over family relationships is so evident. It is sad to even think this is the case in real life. The formalities have no break at no point in time. Sigh. SIP Dianna. 🕊

[@SadhuBiochemist]

Diana should have realized more quickly that she didn't want to be Queen. She married young and should have dated other guys more, until you find that match that you are comfortable with for the rest of your life. Love is priceless.

[@glen7318]

She had to marry young. She needed to be a virgin, and she also was very keen to get married as soon as she could. She was upset at the Christmas 1980 because Charles had not yet proposed

[@MisterMac4321]

The key point here, that seems to be deliberately overlooked by everyone in the scene, is that the two of them should never have been married in the first place.

[@thomaspaull2594]

Both on the series and in reality, they were shoehorned into it.

[@glen7318]

yes but once they were married, they were supposed to stick it out.

[@MisterMac4321]

@@glen7318 Why? If they were both unhappy in the marriage they should (A) never have entered into it in the first place, regardless of whatever pressure their respective families were exerting on them, and (B) once it became apparent it wasn't going to work they should have amicably agreed to divorce rather than suffer through a patently unhappy situation.

[@glen7318]

@@MisterMac4321 They were expected not to divorce. It was one reason why Diana fell for Charles because he was supposed to stick out his marriage and not get a divorce and as the child of divorced parents, she wanted that security. The Queen did not want to allow them to divorce, and only agreed to it when things had become out of control.

[@AC-ze1nh]

I can't imagine my parents-in-law getting involved in my marriage... it's just so weird. It was also the Queen who told them to get a divorce eventually. She saw their fighting in the media was bad for the Crown and bad for their children. They should have both called it quits and never involved the media. It did far more harm than good and it resulted in Diana being harassed by the paps and that combined with a drunk driver lead to tragedy.

[@flower_girl4983]

Boy did charles made her regreat this statment. "I want to make it work".

[@annamarcaletti1025]

DIANA KNEW WHAT SHE WAS GETTING INTO ,SHE IS MISSED AND LOVED ❣️💓🇺🇸

[@miraclaire7906]

I love Diana🥰❤😓

[@mo6964]

Translation: I want power and titles over happiness

[@faithfulforever6331]

That actor is way too handsome to be Charles.

[@erikakakrah499]

This man came in with a Powerpoint but she’s questioned about HER infidelity? That’s wild to me.

[@daintystuff1793]

I knew Prince Philip was a man of Gold heart! I knew he would've stood by Diana! And not stand by his son, the cruel crow

[@glen7318]

he didnt

[@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160]

@@glen7318 he did he stayed in Diana's side all the time they even exchanged letters after their divorce even though in her funeral the prince wasn't forced to walk behind her coffin but he did as a sign of respect

[@glen7318]

@@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160 he walked to help the boys to get through the walk. and he did not stay by Diana's side, they did not exchange letters after the divorce

[@ShiningFriendship87]

Did Philip wink at Diana at 0:18?

[@shaylaangeliqueaguilar4677]

he did

[@KIgarashi10969]

He used to adore her

[@dreamsteddybearsmaster]

@@KIgarashi10969 But I swear I heard he always disliked her

[@ShiningFriendship87]

I heard he was actually very fond of Diana and took her under his wing after she married into the family

[@KIgarashi10969]

@@dreamsteddybearsmaster Nope. There were letters between Prince Philipp and Princess Diana where she called him ‘My Greatest Pa’ while Prince Philipp addressed as her as his “other daughter”.

[@bambooyoshiltd2972]

Damn they really spilling all the tea 🍵.. let a dead woman rest in peace. Why drag her name in scandalous rumors that can't be proven to sully her name 🤔😤 #Classless

[@yoya4766]

Got to admire some of the Windsor men, who really went all out for their true loves. In a way its the sign of true kings. Whereas Queen Elizabeth was an accidental monarch, so stuck rigidly to the rules, knowing her position was always precarious.

[@texanpondue]

Her family didn't want her to marry Philip - he was penniless, with a mad mother and literal Nazis for brother-in-laws. She fought for him.

[@glen7318]

her position was not precarious

[@yusrak6307]

I mean.....Diana deserved so so so much more!!!!

[@hellund2874]

Say what you will about Charles, but he was not the one unnecessarily dragging out this whole mess. He knew this marriage was over because he could never love Diana. They should have just listened to him. Diana should have listened to him. The fact that Charles still loves Camilla to this day is proof that he just did the healthy thing and wanted to be with the person he truly loves. It would also have been the healthy and best thing for Diana to get out of this marriage at this point, be free of the constraints of the RF and find her own true love. Unfortunately she could not accept it and dragged out her own misery.

[@yushi911]

Diana was the right one, the perfect Queen. But unfortunately the Prince is not the right one.

[@miaveranika30]

Sometimes you dont know how you feel about something until it nearly had take it away

[@shanineriego9997]

I mean I still believe that they will learn to love as they grow. Its just that camilla was always on the side whenever they are fighting lol. That's what I hate about charles.

[@vincentmenard2381]

Are you talking about Charles and Diana? If so, you know they will divorce in season 5, right?

[@shanineriego9997]

I knew that already. I just remember what queen elizabeth said to charles tjat they will learn to love each other. that would be a great ending after all. But he still chose camilla 🤡

[@Lalo3001]

Are you serious???? They were two mismatched, incompatible people from the start, age difference notwithstanding..

[@kdmdlo]

Charles has his list ... but Diana jumps in and undercuts him. Awesome.

[@splinterbyrd]

Archbishop Robert Runcie who married them, said that, while they were clearly fond of each other, he felt from the start it was an arranged marriage.

[@loudivine8701]

Charles so slow of getting his letter thats why ðiana got to say a word first .that he didnt have a chance to read his speech😂😂😂

[@marshmallowbudgie]

now keep in mind the Spencers have been toppling kings since the 1320s, to the extent that even when gutted and quartered they still got Edward II a hot pokering

[@nofacespacetasmr3008]

Charles was awful but this is where Diana messed up in this scene did she honestly think that he was going to give up Camila? After all she’s been through this with her chance escape and leave Charles forever. But now it’s dead she stayed another 6 years before the separation.

[@Mohico-San]

Diana is saying this for the sake of her sons and the crown not Charles

[@IntelligentInsights876]

And that's one the reasons he didn't love her

[@spaceo8568]

If I were a world dictator, I would make pinky rings punishable by the removal of said pinky. Nothing looks more pompous and stupid than when a man has a ring on his pinky finger.

[@honeydate]

Lol 😂 “mummy”

[@mazal5549]

If emma doesnt get an emmy for this role,i m suing

[@bush-b5330]

She wont, because of her name!

[@amirulasyraf1409]

@@bush-b5330 what problem with her name?

[@m.e.d.7997]

Charles wanted out of the marriage. Of course, Diana wanted it to work. She wanted to be a princess.

[@Anaksunamen999]

Why didn't Diana just tell them "when I call Charles, he never answers. I am left completely alone, ignored." Surely, they would have understood that.

[@amirulasyraf1409]

Queen doesn't care about Prince Charles problem and cheating story. they want Diana to be blame on this problem.

[@glen7318]

she was not alone. She had her boys, her own friends and lovers. How was she alone

[@uknowwhoiam5982]

"future monarch" lmao

[@takeo1794]

that aged like spoiled cheese

[@classicalchats7341]

Such a powerful scene. And yet why wasn't Charles asked why he broke his vows? Hmm...

[@JACathcart5181]

Simply because Diana was the one to speak up and say that she wanted to save the marriage. If Diana had said that she wanted to end the marriage, the queen would most likely not have asked her that question.

[@JJchi834]

Loveless marriage and endless royal duties, it's a miracle she held on for 15 years

[@angelsmith2101]

Philip definitely loved and adored Diana, as his own daughter.

[@hernar2]

Charles and Philip always had an uneasy relationship

[@thomaspaull2594]

Part of it was that Philip did not have a charmed childhood as did Charles, and was trying to find ways to make him man up. A good example was when Philip sent Charles to his alma mater at the tough ass boarding school in Scotland.

[@samanthacristinaburgosmera4160]

@@thomaspaull2594 yeah the Duke wanted him to become a brave and tough man so he could deal with the monarchy all the problems the decisions not someone weak because it's true Phillip wasn't a King but he saw how his wife (the Queen) was dealing with the monarchy

[@任舒云]

Meghan cannot be compared to Diana

[@Lalo3001]

Poor, naive Diana.... She sealed her fate with her naivete, thinking her "fairy tale" marriage could still work.... Had they let Charles speak his turn, she might still be alive today...

[@thomaspaull2594]

That sounds as if JFK did not cheat on his wife, God would have saved him from the gunshot. We will never know.

[@newyorksnatascha9805]

Princess Diana 👸 loved Prince Charles. 🤴 I remembered when she told Prince Charles, you and Camilla has your own world, where will I place myself? And Prince Charles said, but you are my WIFE. Princess Di loved him, but he didn't as much as she was for him. She gave way because in BBC interview she knew Camilla was always the love of Prince Charles life. 💓💓💓💓 Princess Diana really had a great heart.

[@siddh3678]

Great direction! He didnt even sit on the same sofa as diana.

[@edilzonramirez1124]

Is that.... Violet BUCKLE??!!!!

[@esrblgn]

i don't know how it happened but unlike most people this show made me understand and emphatize with the royal family. they're careful when they choose a spouse for the heir and they're even more careful to keep it stable for a reason; their marriages ARE of national importance. if a monarch can't make a marriage work, can't keep a household together how will he be the head of state? how will he help and unite his nation? without a leader like that the monarchy will seem entirely useless. so from their pov, the people that want to keep the monarchy, it makes perfectly sense. to most of us its superficial and unnecessary but not to them. to them its risking their end.

[@gp-1542]

Can only imagine how it was like in real life

[@gulmerton2758]

The Queen has some nerves to blame it on Diana! Doesn’t she know about a certain freaking Camilla ?

[@Momtopreemie]

Clear as day the prince planned her death

[@sjn7688]

I doubt in reality the Queen would have had this conversation with both Charles and Diana, Diana never really mentioned the Queen bringing up an intervention in their marriage. It was only at the end of it that the Queen stepped in I think and she gave her permission to grant a divorce. She may have talked about it with Charles towards the end but not like this.

[@sethtubman1229]

It would have been far better for Diana to have married the Prince Andrew. They were much, much closer in age (roughly 16 months), they had played together as children at Sandringham, and Andrew would have had more time and probably would have been more sympathetic to her. If he was going to marry a Spencer, Charles should have married Sarah, Diana's older sister. Another good one was Lady Jane Wellesley, the daughter of the 8th Duke of Wellington. But he and Diana were simply too incompatible.

[@leelacabin]

1:57

[@lifedispencervlogs]

I want like a"What if..." Marvel episode of Princess Diana.

[@jenniferwilliams5478]

3 of her children got divorced.

[@jenniferwilliams5478]

Charles got divorced got to marry camilla and still became king.