The Cruel Death of Thief

[@burrick2245]

The devs for Thi4f actually live-streamed themselves playing Thief Gold near the end of development... for the first time. They're going through it like "Wow, our Garrett talks a lot more!" and marveling at how different the two games play. Which is just... It's unsurprising, but it still hurts

[@Christian-gr3gu]

What

[@Christian-gr3gu]

Don't you have to play the game to know what it is

[@burrick2245]

@@Christian-gr3gu Thi4f has a passing similarity to the 3rd game, Deadly Shadows, so I think most people, myself included, assume they just played a bit of that one and ignored the rest of the games

[@RaskolnikovGaming]

Where can I find this video

[@burrick2245]

@@RaskolnikovGaming I tried finding it again a little while ago, I'm not sure it's available anymore. It likely wasn't saved

[@Duskets]

“Sometimes violence is necessary.” Expert difficulty: “we don’t do that here.”

[@FishInDaToilet]

Fun Fact tho, you could kill people with Frogbeasts on the higher difficulties and not fail the mission. Prolly cuz the game doesn't take into account that the frogbeast was a tool deployed by you, and just assumed it was another mob.

[@Pepe2025OT]

“Here’s the grave, let’s start digging.” Holy....

[@danieladamczyk4024]

And sodomize the body.

[@blackcowboymusic]

One of the best lines I've heard in a while 😂

[@ardaagaik9136]

Strongman Cornman STOP, every time I read a comment like this, it is said in the video at that EXACT MOMENT. I don't want to beleive it!

[@solonsaturngaming3727]

Daniel Adamczyk then leave in Acid for years in a very well hidden location away from all human life

[@JumalaPlays]

@@ardaagaik9136 same here, it happens so often it's my headcanon that google does it intentionally as a prank

[@JarlFrank]

Thief is not dead. People are still making fan missions for it. Just this year, the Thief 2 20th anniversary contest missions released and most are really good. There are over 1000 fan missions out there and some are absolutely amazing, better than the original missions even.

[@3333218]

Do you have any recommendations?

[@JarlFrank]

@@3333218 Too many, actually. There are a bunch of absolute classics like Rowena's Curse, The Seven Sisters, Ominous Bequest, Broken Triad. Those are all must plays. If you like exploring huge cityscapes, play anything made by skacky (especially Endless Rain) and Melan (especially Disorientation). If you like tombs, play Unexpected Detour by DarkMax. If you like the surreal missions like Constantine's manor, play Gems of Provenance by stinkykitty and Ascend the Dim Valley by Dirk Bogan.

[@3333218]

@@JarlFrank Thank you!!!

[@ajsingh4545]

Thief is dead in the tripleA space like deus ex.

[@luminosity01]

@@JarlFrank Dude thank you for this haha

[@sirignoramus]

Fun fact, Karras is voiced by Stephen Russel, the same guy who voiced Garret.

[@curtishamilton5342]

Seriously, that dude gets around.

[@mmrchive]

I thought he was voiced by Stitch

[@sonukewat1122]

Mujhe DJ DJ Alok chahie

[@sonukewat1122]

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[@kryph1]

He also voiced corvo in D2

[@blackdragoncyrus]

I want Thief to come back, but I guess Dishonored exists, in the same way that I can play Prey if I want a more modern System Shock.

[@pandyssianrat]

Arkane is a gift from God.

[@ursoanonimo8398]

Thief might not be coming back, but New Blood Interactive is making “Gloomwood”. It’s very inspired by Thief. Heard about it?

[@Janeator]

@@ursoanonimo8398 Played the demo, shaping up to be real good

[@JXZX1]

Except Dishonored is a pretty bad stealth game compared to Thief, and Prey isn’t a good Action RPG compared to System Shock

[@pandyssianrat]

@@JXZX1 Dishonored was never meant to be a true stealth game, it focused more on creativity and flexibility in terms of its usage of overlapping powers and amazingly fluid gameplay. Prey ( 2017 ) on the other hand was just a fantastic System Shock'esqe game, obviously not everything can be put into Prey ( 2017 ) due to it's premise and it's focused target audience. It caters to both Immersive sim gamers and casual gamers. And I think the influence can certainly be seen in Arkane's games due some of its staff coming from the Looking Glass studio itself.

[@XannnyTanner]

This made installing moving and installing my new dryer much more enjoyable. 10/10 would recommend to a friend. Thanks KBash

[@Crazelord91]

Not even a joke, I somehow often find myself playing a kbash video while doing some kind of work. Right now it's getting ready for my meetings

[@naschaos25jxf57]

For me I play his vids when I change over the laundry lol

[@XannnyTanner]

It definitely has something to do with his commentary being super analytic that you don't always need a visual aid to understand exactly what he is talking about. Most critiques really don't land the way his do for me.

[@a_san_t]

@@XannnyTanner yeah, and he could talk about the game in depth without it being boring. That's why i think his content is good for "background noise" that's still engaging

[@XannnyTanner]

@@a_san_t for sure, though his editing is always worth a rewatch when you arent busy. He has put in work and the improvements in his editing show.

[@genuinesaucy]

Thourf was a fundamentally terrible idea because Deadly Shadows gave us a perfect ending for Thief's plot. You might as well make a sequel to Return of the Jedi while you're at it. Good thing nobody could possibly be stupid enough to do that.

[@StaminaOverlook]

i must admit, hearing the new installment being called "Thourf" made me laugh so hard. Because it's so incredibly fitting.

[@yagyufgc]

"Oh, god! You fou- Oh, god! You fou- HNGH *dies*" - Random Civilain 2004 - 2020

[@JustSkram]

If you enjoy the OG thief games, I HIGHLY recommend the dark mod. It's a free standalone spiritual successor to thief made in id tech 4. The quality is insane.

[@ZylonBane]

You're just now figuring out that Dishonored lifted heavily from Thief? There's an entire conversation in Dishonored that's quoted almost verbatim from Thief 1's training mission. Garrett and Corvo are even voiced by the same guy.

[@marieociskova6146]

At least one of the Dishonored devs has been very active in the Thief community.

[@supremeworld87]

Arkanes games are all pretty much homages to the old immersive sims from the 90s though aren't they? Particularly Looking Glass's. Dishonored is a blatant homage to thief with more freedom to play how you want ala Deus Ex, with Dishonoureds lead designer being the lead designer of Deus Ex 1 and 2 and a self professed fan of Looking Glass studios. They also developed Arx Fatalis, which was heavily inspired by Ultima Underworld, and Arkane founder Rafael Contantonios final game before he left the company was Prey, which was a massive homage to the System Shock games. Immersive sims are pretty much all they do and with Randy Smith now running their Austin office himself I would expect that to continue

[@KaizerDC]

The Dark Mod is a standalone mod that is a wonderful remake of the Thief games, with tons of community made maps and stories. It really needs more love too. It takes everything that's good from all the original thief games. Incredibly immersive and good sound design and ambience and lighting.

[@Kimosabes2hot]

It's a real shame this franchise couldn't steal some success in the mainstream media...

[@dantethebloodedge2485]

Puns,quips And JOKES

[@vzerby]

Stealth game will rarely become mainstream success sadly.

[@JustSkram]

Mainstream gamers don't have patience.

[@Pickoffarwim]

I mean there's Metal Gear and Splinter Cell

[@V2ULTRAKill]

@@Pickoffarwim they might as well be call of duty compared to something like the thief trilogy

[@Chariot_Rider]

Thief 3 adding a 3rd person camera really does seem like it would undermine a lot about Thief. As me and Lambhoot have argued, one of the best ways to create tension is to remove information from the player. If the player can just peek around a corner without moving their character around said corner, then a lot of the tension is undermined. In the original game, peeking around the corner was interesting because you had no idea what could be around the corner, and getting that information would usually endanger your character

[@skeetsvar162]

100% agree.

[@sinephase]

that was around the time that more and more games were made for consoles first and it's been a slow trod to get quality AAA games that don't treat their players like morons.

[@IRedpunk]

We had so much hype and hope, I remember back in the days we were already camping the forums with theories of what the story would be about... Only to have our hearts crushed. Right when they said reboot as it was the start of the trend with Tomb Raider, I knew they were going to mess up. Thief setting and story didn't need a reboot, it was and still is good. Tomb Raider barely had a story, each game is a story of its own while the original Thief's trilogy was a story told as the years passed. Dishonored is nice, but I do heavily miss Garrett and the Thief setting. I have no idea what Square Enix will do with it if not just placing it in a dark cave instead of selling it to passionate folks... Even indie devs can do wonders nowadays.

[@Coreisus]

Square Enix has no right to hold Theif and Legacy of Kain captive! They wouldn't even know what to do with them.

[@3333218]

I wasn't in those forums oh good person! Can you share what people thought the story would be about?

[@jackstack2136]

This comment aged like a bag of dicks. The franchise is being passed to some crass indie noobs who will shit on it.

[@bepisman3161]

The bonking montage was angelic

[@CharemTheShadox]

This was a good video, but it's a shame you didn't talk about The Dark Mod at all. I'd say it would have drawn a slightly more optimistic conclusion to this video, considering it's still generating new content. It's not perfect, but it's definitely got the right spirit!

[@3333218]

And Thief 2X!

[@warrioroflight6872]

Robbing the Cradle was one of the best levels of any video game I have ever played. Thief: Deadly Shadows truly is a gem worth stealing. Not that I stole my digital copy, of course.

[@alexsm3882]

I enjoyed until it became a tiresome fetch quest

[@supremeworld87]

@@alexsm3882 it never became a tiresome fetch quest

[@alexsm3882]

@@supremeworld87 lol

[@supremeworld87]

@@alexsm3882 lol all you want but it never did. I have no idea what yiure basing your claim on

[@alexsm3882]

@@supremeworld87 on the fact that it becomes a fetch quest half way through, you sound like you don't remember it well

[@gelpens750]

Shalebridge was one of the most traumatic experiences of my childhood 😂

[@Kimihro]

I've for ten minutes left in the video runtime, but you fkn nailed it today, KBash

[@hachijospaniard5643]

You never die, you just stay standing.

[@Coreisus]

I love how Fable1 town music plays when you start talking about Thief 4

[@decayluvr]

This channel is criminally underrated

[@HalloWitch93]

The biggest problem with Erin from Thief 4, I think, is that she's constantly saying things just to say them and sound dramatic, whether or not they actually make any sense. The most distracting one for me was when she told Garrett to find the asylum she was kept at, so he does, only for her to jump-scare him at the door and say that he "shouldn't be there". Also blaming him for her almost-death when it was so obviously her fault.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Well, at least we have Gloomwood coming soon lol

[@tek_lynx4225]

Thief 1 and 2 is a different experience if ran on todays machines from when it was released. If you still have an old enough PC with a SBLIVE! or a Aureal card in Quad Channel Output mode. It's an experience you can't get today thanks to the hardware accelerated 3d sound. And that is due to how NERFED modern soundoutput is on Today's PC thanks to Vista\8\10. Even Ran through a wrapper like Alchemy for Creative based cards, it won't sound like it was meant to.

[@nifftbatuff676]

Yeah. I remember playing Thief with a SBLIVE! I haven't experienced anything like that after. I though it was a distorted nostalgia rose-tinted memory of mine, but now reading your comment...

[@alexsm3882]

You do know there are patches for thief

[@tek_lynx4225]

​@@alexsm3882 you do know windows vista+ soundstack was totally destroyed by M$ and nothing sounds the same since, and even then there is a differences between VXD EAX output and later WDM within 9x. Let alone the crap output you get from VISTA\8\10. You wouldn't know that without actually experiencing it. There are no patches or wrappers(emulators) that fix that because its not fixable, M$ saw to that.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

Interesting, so things truly were better i'm not going insane

[@alexsm3882]

@@tek_lynx4225 you cannot seriously be saying you still use vista

[@ItsJustChurch]

I will admit that I like the newest Thief game, but I’ll also acknowledge that it’s probably because I never played the original trilogy.

[@3333218]

Do yourself a favor and play Thief 2 right now!!

[@ItsJustChurch]

TCMOREIRA okay, I’ll check Steam.

[@Somegirlwander]

this time I was prepared, and started the video on mute, effectively avoiding the intro ear rape. I'm proud of myself. Aside from that, great content, as always.

[@Hanfgurkenhasser]

Weakling.

[@mcmike89]

I have all the Thief games still to this day and I'm already playing the latest fan missions that come out periodically. This franchise is a masterpiece! I love playing these games!

[@Ozarka0]

I can genuinely see a sort of remake working absolute wonders. With a combo gameplay of Dishonored and Thourf, but the very likable world of the first two games and their stories. I think people would play the *shit* out of that.

[@scientificbrony]

Man you really need more subs; I absolutely love your content!

[@asshrimpleasthat799]

Awesome video, I'm a big fan of Thief 1+2 and really enjoyed your breakdown of the franchise's collapse. Very well-written and funny with great delivery, too. Will definitely be subscribing and checking out your other videos!

[@tcar]

Thief 2: The Metal Age is one of a few games that gave me nightmares for some time. There was a tower with a ritual inside, that you could trigger. Some supernatural things will pop up and attack you. I was 8-10 y.o at that moment and a few years back I played it again. I was still scared of those things.

[@everedgex2808]

The bejeweled city track from legend of mana at the end though, just awesome

[@AtmosFabula]

Ah, yes, the Abortinator 9000 Sniper Rifle, now with the coat hanger attachment for extra efficiency

[@Nipah.Auauau]

29:21 Yeah, it was really inaccurate, the new revolutionary guards didn't commit any genocide :/

[@BigScrumbo]

Woah! A K Bash video on my birthday? What a nice present! I’ve only played Thourf when it was free on PSN, not really knowing about the first 3... But this video makes me wanna try them! Another great video man, keep it up!!

[@oikiyaa3762]

Happy Birthday :)

[@Demonhornz]

Clearly, you literally never heard of the French Revolution.

[@thesun564]

Crashie-J But they where dirty loyalist

[@emperorgameling5064]

@Crashie-J I don't remember any books telling me all the loyalists "just left" and the civil war happend roughly 70 years after the revolution, pretty much all loyalists would be dead unless people decided after the fact to support Britian. So spread your loyalist mumbo jumbo elsewhere

[@emperorgameling5064]

The French revolution was a rapid succession of multiple parties with different ideas gaining and losing power ultimately leading to the consulate and empire. The revolution is a lot more complex than you want to make it to be.

[@paz1514]

@@emperorgameling5064 My favorite part was where the peasants/lower class started killing children for fun and then killing each other when someone asked "Is'n't killing children kinda messed up?"

[@D-Havoc]

@@paz1514 That actually happened?

[@DocDoesGamingTV]

Just came back from my night shift and was actually looking at the cheese in the fridge when that intro hit lmao

[@kuba37571]

Wait, what did Thief get wrong about revolutions? Or did I misunderstand the joke?

[@TheHumanShitpost]

Thief 4 was the first in the series I played. I honestly thought it was a stand alone game because of how well it reminds you its a part of a series

[@hatchell18]

Always love your vidoes man😁 and congrats on the 60k subs!

[@TyyTheFlyGuy]

Before I watch this I'm just gonna assume since I played the Thief games and Dishhonored games and Elder Scrolls games that Dishonored and Elder Scrolls having similar gameplay as a side aspect to a bigger gameplay set put Thief under.

[@manusgraham1159]

Honesty Thief 2 has always been my favourite games, and I don't think it will ever change

[@TheTygre]

Thief seems like the kind of world and setting I would love and immerse myself in... if I wasn't heinously awful at first person stealth.

[@cryguy0000]

I thought this video was gonna be about the Thief class in RPGs

[@afterceasetoexist]

I periodically revisit this just to hear "GO FROG BOMB... WE RIDE!!!!" again

[@Mustard_Face]

I’m a simple man. I see a new Kbash review, I watch it.

[@AmonsRealm]

These videos are on point and you’ve been uploading a lot too. Congratulations on the growth of your channel

[@supremeworld87]

I dont really know why fans tend to separate deadly shadows so much from the first two because it was directed my Randy Smith who was one of key level designers for the first 2 games at looking glass. There were numerous other people from thief 1 and 2 involved as well who had moved to ion storm when looking glass closed. Its not like it's a sequel without the involvement on the original team, and Ion Storm had a connection to LG anyway through Warren Spector, who had worked somewhat on the original Thief - which is what prompted him to create Deus Ex in the first place as he wanted to develop an immersive sim that gave you more play style options. Ion Storm just became the new home for thief that's all. And I think it a absolutely stands side by side with the original two games, especially it you play using the third 3 gold mod that eliminates the losding screens in the levels so that its just one big map like in the first 2 games.

[@WhinyB]

It’s really disappointing that graphics are all that seem to really matter nowadays...almost seems like gameplay/lore/storyline take a backseat. Maybe that’s just how I feel though, oh well.

[@sneakytrip6594]

Just avoid the same, tired AAA titles and try to give some indie games a chance. Those are usually made because people have an idea or a will to make them. AAAs exist to appease shareholders. If you show indie devs love now, they may blossom into AAA trashmills of their own one day.

[@myminion74]

Kbash, i would just like to drop that i love watching your content every week man, keep it up buddy, your quality and humor are top notch and its a shame you dont have as many subscribers as you should have also this video was the first time i remembered that thief4 fucking existed since it released omegalul

[@xylon7333]

love the octopath musical choices

[@fallenmercury]

I cant even imagine being hired to work on an already existing franchise yet cant be bothered to play the previous games for inspiration. True professionals

[@HumanAki]

"That guy's face is a JPEG." Aaaaand, subscribe.

[@ancientbuns6770]

The re-make of thief got me into the series

[@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER]

20:23 ... I am way too easily amused.

[@BalCleric]

I always forget how much it pains me to see anybody play Thief in 3rd person. Anyhow I highly recommend the Dark Mod to any former taffers. It's a free standalone conversion of Doom 3 into an updated Thief with some amazing fan made levels/campaigns.

[@Nietzsche_K_Gote]

around 3 months back i played theif 2014 for the first time and got hooked , that game is responsible for me discovering the old trilogy so i guess it serves that purpose.

[@marmato9332]

Every so often I just watch his videos get to the Patreons and remember oh right I'm there

[@RazielFallen1]

I loved that asylum level so much. I completely agree with the digs aginst any one of these games in the series. I still loved getting that into the game.

[@chevaliusrex]

I noticed the WoW music when mentioning 2004 release....

[@Skul1ManEXE]

I could recognize those violins anywhere.

[@mythosspecialist1352]

Anyone notice the soundtrack from Dark Corners of the Earth thrown in there? Thanks KBash! That made my day.

[@mythosspecialist1352]

I love Call of Cthulhu: DCotE

[@MustafaSaid]

You should make a Dishonored video

[@c2HitsButtons]

One of these days I have faith that you'll be the KZbinr that spotlights the Kyrandia series that I hold so nearly and dearly. Like I feel we have the exact same taste in everything and it's only a matter of time lol

[@dbd978]

you may be small but you're honnestly one of my favorite youtube

[@rickyjohnson391]

That intro about the cheese at 3am hit me tho

[@javib2978]

This game series reminds me of the first Feception game by Namco, in contrast to the next two installments which is played in full display perspective instead of being played by main character's eye point of view.

[@sandwormleto3358]

Another video from my favourite KZbinr

[@Chili_Bass]

Just found your channel. Wow, very good video.

[@Coreisus]

As someone who discovered the series through Deadly Shadows, I quite enjoy Thief4/reboot. I don't enjoy the plot/premise changes, or the new personality on Garrett. But the gameplay feels like the natural evolution of Thief 3. Just turn off the on screen waypoint markers.... too bad it doesn't have hand drawn maps like the old ones...

[@JumalaPlays]

Yeah, i love the game, i think it has many good things in it that people are mindlessly hating because it has some bad plot or basically nothing to do with the older games

[@Coreisus]

@@JumalaPlays there's a lot of things like that in the world. The Star Wars prequels are a good example of this. Darksector and Legendary are good examples of this. Society's hivemind is generally just dumb.

[@JumalaPlays]

@@Coreisus yeah, i'm actually glad to see that the game isn't reviewed badly on steam, it's got like 75% good reviews and i think it deserved that, but anywhere outside of steam you just see people taking a fat shit on the game. Why people can't just like all the thief games is beyond my understanding

[@goldtoothslair3052]

I did not know the thief had a long history. Being a person that loves old games I wouldn't mind actually checking out Thief one or two.

[@clauricaune]

I like Thief 4. I think it's neat.

[@krusher181]

I love your thumbnails, man. really do

[@robin9031]

I think I heard somewhere that Arkane was an Obsidian-Outer Worlds story, former thief devs moved to work on Dishonored? but dont quote me

[@JustSkram]

Most of them are from looking glass studios. They actually reference it in prey 2017 where one of the big tec used is called looking glass.

[@supremeworld87]

They're basically a studio devoted to developing immersive sims like the ones Looking Glass made in the 90s, and they're headed up by Randy Smith who was the lead designer on Deus Ex.

[@fromthatday6334]

You're very entertaining bro, can't believe you're only in the 60k sub range, definitely deserve more.

[@uhuhuh1966]

ADORE this trilogy....yes, TRILOGY, I said what I said

[@ZuGineeris]

3:38 - A papyrus in the mission tells yuh

[@afterceasetoexist]

Fantastic video. As an enormous Thief fan I'd say you nailed it.

[@GinkgoPete]

Thief 2 was medieval MGS lmao

[@nifftbatuff676]

And Thief 1 was medieval MGS 2.

[@ajsingh4545]

It was better than MGS

[@ZemplinTemplar]

Awesome, awesome retrospective and review ! :-) Even if there's no new installment in the future - and frankly, the original trilogy ended well and on a high note, no sequel needed - you can fulfill your Thief fix with fan missions for the original three games, or by installing the freeware standalone game The Dark Mod. Thief in all but name, in a newer engine, and made in AAA level quality. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

[@ehcmier]

17:25 ... What? That never happened in the first Thief games.

[@fighter009]

yoooo big love KBash, all my homies love KBash. Such a way with words

[@fighter009]

Also your enby fans thank you~

[@dragdragon23]

A real fun review of thief history

[@Toe-roll]

These are always so enjoyable to watch, keep making these man.

[@Dibbles115]

Thief is one of my favorite games to exist

[@TrueNargin]

I did a ghost playthrough in Thief Deadly Shadows. I also made it a rule to never even knock anybody out during that playthrough. The game can be a little buggy and strange at times so I ended up with a few "times caught" in the statistics but one of these is literally unavoidable during the tutorial and the rest was mostly weird glitches and stuff so I decided not to pay attention to that or else my sanity would have been at risk. It's pretty frustrating enough to sneak past every guard designed to be blackjacked. Edit. I forgot to mention I was playing on the hardest difficulty and made it a rule to get 100% of the loot.

[@just-some-random-homie-0185]

That intro just made my day.

[@GambitRaps]

26:35 Imagine those fingers... *touching you*

[@alexsm3882]

Slither slither

[@Q_Tura]

I never played any of the Thief before the last one. I kept trying to play it. To enjoy it. After all I love being stealthy in every game possible or not. I always felt disconnected from the game. Made me felt like I didn't really enjoyed games anymore. But I always felt like I should enjoyed it. Thank you for putting in word what I didn't like but didn't understood.

[@devin5d]

Haven't even gotten good into the video and the intro alone has me busting a gut.

[@akiamesquitalima6306]

Shaggy with glasses this video is great

[@drainx85]

I think I might have actually spent more time in Dromed than I did playing Thief 1&2 when I was a kid, and I played A LOT, then came World of Warcraft.

[@bopman1578]

I'm pretty sure in Thief 3 then locks that would have the same key, also have the same lockpick pattern. I've played the first mission so many times and every door in that place has the exact same lockpick pattern.

[@TheCitrusPanda]

Comment for that KZbin algorithm.

[@Easssae]

Kbash has the best metaphors

[@purplefanta7142]

Man, deadly shadows. We had it on original Xbox, so much fun. I farmed the city by mugging everyone for like 3 hours and filled my inventory with everything you could have. Killed the Grey Lady in the last part of the game by lining a street with mines and spamming oil then fire arrows on her. But... Then she was just alive again in the next part of the city. Partially unsettling, but you know it was just because she was a separate spawn of the same monster in the next part of town.

[@Poochkip]

I love your transitions from the intro lol you do those so smoothly. That being said kbash, I think its time you reviewed golden sun on the ds

[@GBortnowski]

Does someone know where is 7:01 fragment from? Some gameplay?