The CS2 Cheater Problem Has Gotten Goofy

We just had the stupidest cheating scandal in counter-strike history, where it was possible to enable walls with console commands. The game is unplayable at high rating premier, and cs2 is losing a lot of players, including well known content creators. What is going on, and can anything be done to stop it?
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[@cappeb]

It's comically funny to see how bad the players are in these clips even with cheats😭😭

[@RNRAGST]

you can tell they dont even spray control because they ak spray goes 3 meters above the players head as soon as the kill them, nobody shoots like that

[@faultline3936]

Of course. That's the reason most of them cheats.

[@Votexforxme]

i had a round yesterday (not premier) the actuall manly ranking game and i had an enemy with walls i killed him and said "common mr.ivan crack that aim bar to 100% and do a ballerina spin for me" well he did put a spin botter on and aimbot did the game end no it did not, vavles anticheat is pretty bad.

[@DustyDirk]

Problem is that most cheaters don't really know what game they are playing. They don't say "I want to play csgo but cheat this time," they say "I want to cheat but in csgo this time." Cheating IS the game that they play. If your game gets known for being a cheating playground, it just gets worse

[@disposable3167]

every single time i play CS2 i end up winning against a cheater. it's never happened before and now it happens every single session... there's a whole new generation of cheaters and theyre fucking awful

[@aok9153]

Guys stop complaining, they are busy working on making case openings better so that you have something to do while sitting in spawn in a HvH game

[@n8bayonet]

Sorry I'll stop complaining

[@tehjamerz]

They removed pgup/pgpdown/case shake Old capsules have broken openings Cs2 openings are factually worse than csgo

[@JesusChristTheHoly]

@@tehjamerz it was a joke lol

[@ThatGuyNamedRick]

They're actually on their Company-Mandated vacation, lay off them. /s

[@GanDtech]

If I had any good skins I’d cash out asap. Doesn’t make sense that skins are even expensive… for what? Looking at something nice while you get spinbotted lol?

[@m_ism]

What's also insane to me is how many of the wall hackers in this video have like absolutely zero idea of the map geometry and die trying to get kills that anyone with a modicum of gamesense would be like "kid you're shooting a wall"

[@TheWarOwl]

I love when the guy tries to jump onto silo in de_nuke

[@MrWebbeth]

Honestly if someone can see their enemy through the walls and they still manage to grenade themselves then just let them cheat they need it desperately

[@ramiams862]

@@TheWarOwl About time to hop back in cs 1.6 to wait for a fix !

[@raamy2426]

@@TheWarOwl it was PAINFULL to watch I really didn't enjoy it lol Like it happens from time to time to miss the jump but to take 15 seconds to finally make it is so much pain lol

[@m_ism]

@@TheWarOwl Yeah the silo jump and billy just repeatedly nading himself and his teammates was peak. I'm old and I've never been a movement player at the best of times but even I don't screw up the jump that badly.

[@tgnm9615]

Cs2: Cheaters Tf2: Bots What the hell Valve (Edit) Looks like Valve fixed Tf2 bot problem with the new 64-bit system (for now)

[@qu1253]

Valve doesn't care. They know people will throw money at them no matter what.

[@PeidosFTW]

You can't compare a dead game to cs2 lmao

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@PeidosFTW In terms of official updates, it's dead. But to call the game completely dead? I dunno about that one, chief.

[@atlucas1321]

They literally told the the lead dev of tf2 classic recently that they "will not be addressing the bot crisis", due in part that they will be in a circular loop of "fixing" It and "losing" it. Literally been 3+ years of this, I would still hope they can do something about it but at this point I doubt it.

[@666chaox666]

@@PeidosFTW TF2 is far from a dead game, despite Valve's efforts.

[@PaTzLC1337]

The worst thing is that every time you play a game you first check your opponents' profiles instead of playing the warm-up. The first one only has 200 hours, the second one doesn't have a badge & the last one doesn't even have his Steam profile set up. And we as a team all have 3k+ hours, 1k€ inventories and +15 years accounts. That's just a shame because CS is the only game we really play = we're old.

[@user-lv4kd5yh4c]

true

[@besher532]

I have never seen someone cheating without a setup steam profile

[@CronusTheGreat]

i hate when my friends do this.. like unless were all gonna leave and abandon match or surrender immediately, theres no point in complaining about cheats before the game starts and all throughout the game.. like we all know their cheating and were queuing anyways, lets just sit back and play the game and pretend for a minute that our favorite game isnt a shitty cesspool of retards spinbotting..

[@DaisiesTC]

@@besher532 then you obviously dont play the game much or don't pay attention lmfao. Rage hackers are usually new accounts like that. The "soft" cheaters tend to be more established accounts with at least a couple hundred hours.

[@savagegecko4575]

That's me. I started playing in high school senior year. That's 22 years ago for me.

[@the_letter_5579]

As a tf2 player who just started playing CS2, it feels like I never left home

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

Now the players spin too!

[@xarigama6466]

@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Nice shot, mate!

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

@@xarigama6466 Thanks, mate!

[@xarigama6466]

@@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Nice shot!

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

@@xarigama6466 Okay, mate.

[@maximoskoukos]

Cheating for advantage in CS is like taking viagra for a blow-up doll.

[@iRevolVeR21]

Lol

[@undermind0657]

completely stupid and wrong analogy. cheaters flock to cs for a reason. cs is circulating a millions of dollars worth market for cosmetics and cheaters take advantage of it for duping them and re-selling them. had it not been for the inhumanely potent cosmetics market, cs wouldn't be popular like it is now

[@MrInsiipid]

"CS is the chess of video games" It's true, one of my teammates admitted to using a buttplug while playing.

[@no-replies]

So was that ever proven or what?

[@onelongwordable]

​@@no-repliesno, of course not. But people thought it was outrageous and funny so the rumor/joke is etched in stone

[@Nipsyyy]

I can't comprehend how VAC can't pick up on somebody shooting 5 shots of a scout in .1 second.

[@krazed0451]

Because VAC is looking for the program that modifies the game memory/files... If it can't detect that it can't do anything, and that is a lot harder to do than it appears on the surface. As mentioned in the video, VAC does not analyse gameplay.

[@Nipsyyy]

@krazed0451 while I understand that's what it does, I don't understand why they don't have protocols in place to detect actions that are impossible to replicate on a server without cheating and serve out bans for it. Seems like it should be much easier to detect impossible actions than to search out programs, although they clearly are shit at doing that too

[@Slothiz]

There should be a server side anti cheat as well that analyzes player actions. It's not hard to catch rapid fire hacks and ban the users.

[@marko0797]

@@Nipsyyy 100% agree with you, not sure why this hasn't been implemented.

[@OffensiveFarmer]

They can, i've seen numerous first hand accounts of cheaters who all state that they rage hack for approximately 1 month before being caught. Not 1 week, not 2 weeks, not varying amounts of time but instead they all get banned after 1 month of cheating. That can only mean 1 thing, valve are intentionally allowing them to cheat for 1 month before banning them. The only explanation for this is that valve are using the data from known cheaters to feed into an AI anticheat, it would also explain why they are radio silent on the cheater problem as openly talking about tactics they are currently using would negatively impact their efforts.

[@weaponizertank6245]

Csgo : Cheaters Cs2 : more cheaters

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

100% also if you loved how broken the smurfing problem was in silver csgo Come on over and try level 1-3 faceit boy you're in for a treat

[@BK_CS]

​@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Even at lvl 10 is like that, guys with 200 hours, lvl 0 and with less than 10 friends making 30 to 40 frags when the whole team does nothing. Cheaters also have the same pattern. Gaming is dead, change my mind.

[@evan12697]

@@kurtpunchesthings2411 its actually incredible how much they've bungled matchmaking even more

[@Watburnt]

@@BK_CS Gaming isnt dead because Counterstrike is bad

[@mafs1996]

not even comparable, cs go had easily 80% less cheaters

[@kIviVwB]

+1 on the "I stopped playing due to cheaters" and +1 on the "I tried playing the game with friends, but they pretty much went NOPE, Nope, nope.."

[@NyanGeneral]

i find CS unplayably boring unless all you do is troll in silver with friends

[@iamnobody8]

True. I stopped playing one week after CS2 launch because of that reason and never looked back. Maybe some time later I will return but only if they fix cheater problem.

[@diamondhamster4320]

Stopped playing cause playing basically the same game for 20+ years is definition of mental t@rdation.

[@Karlyr_]

Played with my friends, kinda wanted to get better, there was too many smurfs in regular matchmaking. They made me install face it, we had 2 smurfs / cheaters in 10 games. They complained about me missing shots (which is fair, I stopped playing FPS for a long fucking time). And poof, no motivation or intent to play CS2 ever again 🙃 Like... I can't care about playing a multiplayer game and get better, if the game can't show me they respect my time spent in the game. That goes for smurfing, cheating, ban evasion tactics, you name it. And, right now, the competitive games that are respectful of your time are practically inexistant.

[@GerocK]

Deeply saddening to experience that gaming, where you meet tons of people around the world that share your hobby, is becoming utterly futile. Every multiplayer game is being dominated by cheaters, bots or any other form of negativity. It's been a long time since "enjoying the game" was the main goal of the majority of players, the main goal changed to "win at all costs" many years ago and now it's transitioning again into "win, but also ruin your opponent's experience while at it". Absolutely gutted that I'm just looking out for singleplayer and co-op games nowadays, because multiplayer is just ruined.

[@adm1ralq]

If you play multiplayer games on community servers, like many years ago, it's still the same

[@qu1253]

​@adm1ralq You mean the community servers that don't exist anymore since everyone including Valve got rid of server browsers?

[@GGButzarino]

Honestly, I bought and started playing SQUAD and it really feels like the majority of people are there to have fun and not just win. It's a great breath of fresh air.

[@crylune]

I'm having fun playing 7 Days to Die with my friends.

[@ceomusic7]

Fully agree with your thoughts. It’s so frustrating that everyone is always trying to be the best by any means. People will look up guides in arpg games (pve) then brag about their build like they were the ones who created it. Ego gaming at its worst

[@nicksande6880]

"The game is unplayable at high rating premier" honestly, the "high rating" is unneccessary, lower rating matchmaking is still horrible for the same reasons xD

[@malif1279]

Casual is surprisingly cheater free for me Unfortunately it is infested with idiots lmao

[@disposable3167]

@@malif1279 that's how it is in most games. cheaters will normally target ranked/official servers

[@lightlezs7048]

The sweet spot seems to be 10k to 17k maybe, those are the ratings I'm hanging around (mostly 13k to 15k though) and I almost don't encounter any cheaters, I can count the cheaters I encountered since getting to this rating on one hand. My trust factor IS really high though.

[@BicBoi1984]

No on lower everyone is just shit so it's constant accusations but little actual cheaters

[@Bloodshot_vsm]

@@malif1279lots of cheaters in casual also.

[@bulutcagdas1071]

"Valve is big on ethics", meanwhile Teens and potentially even smaller children get addicted to gambling because of their case item randomization.

[@MrChoklad]

Lol yeah let's not pretend everyone does this and did it much worse. Valve's case system while not very "ethical" is probably the mildest implementation of cases in videogames

[@IO-_-Ol]

I feel like if small children are messing around playing with too many cases. Valve shouldn’t really be responsible. Maybe, it’s about time the parents stepped in.

[@bulutcagdas1071]

@@MrChoklad Well honestly I'd rather this shit be regulated as gambling and be done with it. You want to have loot boxes in your game? Then put an age id verification system in your game. Oh you need the under 18 crowd to beef up your playerbase? Then too bad take out the lootboxes.

[@bulutcagdas1071]

@@IO-_-Ol Forget parents, the dang governments should step in.

[@MrChoklad]

@@bulutcagdas1071 I'm sorry man but that doesn't work. How do you verify age? ID? You want people to put their identify info on the game? How is that not a safety concern? There's no practical way of doing this. I'm not saying it's alright, it's not, but it's not as bad as say League of legends

[@TackerTacker]

For a new overwatch system they should make it possible to report someone for cheating from a replay. This would reduce over reporting of false positives because if you suspect someone cheating you can wait till the end of the game, rewatch your match and make a much more informed decision if that person was actually cheating.

[@rauldelgadillo8447]

Been saying this for 10 years that you should be required to open the demo to report someone. Overarching was full of legit players it became pointless to do

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@rauldelgadillo8447 absolutely. false accusations are just bad for the community. And if someone isn't cheating, the accuser might even see how they got outplayed and learn something. And watching better players and then trying to follow those "pro strats" is a good way to get insight into how to improve. Just like recording your own gameplay and watch it can help spotting situations where you messed up.

[@adriansmit4238]

90% of games have players using Neverlose or Gamesense, which allows one to spinbot. Every time I try and play on my 16k elo account, I get cheaters, and I derank every match... it's annoying to say the least

[@BromTeque]

You can report people from the demo. What are you on about?

[@TackerTacker]

Though even if you are right, people clearly don't know about it, maybe what @rauldelgadillo8447 said would be better then, that people HAVE to watch the replay to report.

[@sekki2554]

I played 10 years and left in CS:GO when the problem was just too much. I didn‘t touched CS2 once. The game is so unattractive with the cheaters in mind

[@Archuhi3]

I did the same. You cant force me to like something that isnt what i fell in love with over 10 years.

[@Buzz34]

I have not touched cs2 yet. I played all other cs's

[@artikos8750]

same thing, i stopped playing csgo when it became free, worst decision from valve ever in their history, out of 10 games for me it was 5 games with cheaters

[@Onoesmahpie]

@@artikos8750 Probably more. If you assume CS:GO had 10% cheaters (which is a very low estimate based on data about banned players) then there is on average a single cheater in every game. It's very, very easy to disguise cheats. Cheaters are like cockroaches, for every one you notice there are 10 you don't notice.

[@terrainferna8048]

you only sucks... 10 years last place, Congrats

[@iceman-om9dd]

Tf2 has been plagued with hackers for 4 years and valve hasn’t done anything serious to get rid of them, starting to see a trend here.

[@karrenliuk]

At least in tf2 it takes majority vote to kick obvious bots or even cheats which is achievable, unlike 2-cheater queues in cs which makes it impossible for them to be removed

[@balukrol]

TF2 brings no significant profits and hasn't been updated in years, as opposed to CS.

[@Uglycynical]

@@karrenliuk even in tf mofos dont kick their obvious cheats

[@AlfaPro1337]

@@karrenliuk What? No, VK cheaters don't even work.

[@B0BBY-303]

I'd still rather play TF2 than CS2 in its current state right now. Since bots are easily spotted and provided you have more humans than bots you can get rid of them pretty quickly. Or you can just queue for another server.

[@kenic7019]

The state of CS2 is so trash right now. Noone playing legit cant play the game 😞

[@afterhours1337]

Valve is asleep at the wheel rn

[@thomasshelby5454]

Bro is beyond trash, its diabolical in southeast asia (singapore server) if u play premier you will have cheater in your match 100% no no 10000% im not even exaggerating.

[@orcristghost3204]

Most of my games are filled with bots (ai) for a game or 2 until the lobby finally fills. Seems like I only get good lobbies later on in the afternoon.

[@ThatGuyNamedRick]

@@afterhours1337 Literally on Vacation in Hawaii inside their private compound.

[@MrFriendlyCsgoContent]

you didnt hear the word faceit in this video?

[@thalolo]

I was an admin during the 1.6 era of Counter-Strike in a small community called Imperium. We used two anti-cheat programs, Cheating-Death and SxE injected. I really miss those days. Saludos desde Argentina!

[@TheWarOwl]

I appreciate your work! Admins kept things running.

[@asdfomfglol]

Seguro jugaste al argentum

[@thalolo]

@@asdfomfglol en Imperium no solo jugue Argentum, fui miembro de clan imperium en las viejas epocas del "Ao oficial" u ofi ... Año 2001... nos conocimos en un cyber llamado Net&Games y si lo decias por Barrin, despues fui Staff pero en el foro y en el CS hasta que murio. "IAo" nunca jugue pero me encontre a banda de bepis que si jugaban en los servers de Counter. El foro... Los servers de half life, Ragnarok.... Las juntadas en el parque sarmiento Cuantos recuerdos...

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

1. Trust factor is also affected by getting reporting for abusive communication which is the reason it was a complete and utter failure in CSGO. 2. Valve admitted that only a few people need to review a overwatch case depending on the accuracy of their previous overwatch verdicts.

[@Narcan885]

Yeah, as a new player initially i didn't have a mic, because i usually don't play those games. But i was playing random pub games, not even ranked, so it was ok. Most players weren't even talking in an understandable language, so there was no communication possible either way. Then i got one, but had issues making it work sometimes. Result = probably lots of "abusive communication" flagging, because i very quickly got thrown into hellish servers infested with blatant cheaters, i'm talking literal spinbots. There were guys that for whatever reason were always pointing the gun straight down except for the instant they shot and killed someone. It was unreal. All because some trolls had fun report spamming. Quickly left the game never to come back to it.

[@weebman9762]

I love how every single CS content creators just dropped cheating related video in a span of 1 week

[@kavanagharchie]

I think some of them have been part of Faceit advertisement, bit predatory and false as faecit has cheaters too. Otherwise its also just all you can talk about if you play this crappy matchmaking rn.

[@nandatou]

@@kavanagharchie This is not really in Faceit's best interest right? They want Valve's matchmaking to remain crap.

[@kavanagharchie]

@@nandatou to tell everyone it is shit and that there is a 'better' alternative. The amount of videos made about the subject has no bearing on wether Valve can/will fix the issue, the fact that in every video faceit is suggested as an alternative is great marketing, how cpuld you suggest otherwise?

[@jbawg]

​@kavanagharchie it is a good alternative tho. The amount of cheaters on faceit is nothing in comparison to mm.

[@kavanagharchie]

@@jbawg Never said it wasn't, just saying the fact that alot of these stop playing matchmaking vids came out around the same time is a marketing strategy by faceit( with a little pinch of coincidence too)

[@NepetaLeijon]

Had a very sus guy on enemy team in MM, out of nowhere one of my teammates starts spinbotting and then the aforementioned sus dude also began spinbotting just turned into an HVH match

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

Yea been there before The worst part is you getting falsely accused of cheating, then the enemy rage toggles sigh

[@HitPointX]

No matter the trust factor this is happening to everyone at high elo. There's so few players at 25k+ that it has no choice but to pool everyone and people have given up on reporting/kicking so their trust factor remains high.

[@tappajaav]

@@HitPointX Does reporting/kicking actually reduce your trust factor?

[@HitPointX]

@@tappajaav Yes. Get kicked and reported often enough tanks your trust factor. Other factors like frequent afk and team damage play a role as well.

[@tappajaav]

@@HitPointX The way you framed effect on trust factor was bit ambiguous, but I suppose so was my question. The reason I asked was to inquire whether report _ing_ or kick _ing_ (as in being on the giving and not receiving side)impacts your rating. edit. typo

[@lotrdude13]

I will never understand cheating - the fun of a multiplayer game is outplaying your opponent, and I seriously don't see how cheating could be fun or enjoyable. It's crazy, honestly.

[@philippmaack5375]

They are frustrated because they are bad at the game and they think because of the Cheats they outplay the enemies and get the same feeling as described by you

[@tester1991]

its even worse when the cheaters try to hide their hacks, blatant cheaters know what they are doing and love it because they love to ruin other people's fun, valve not giving them consequences just fuels them, but the ones who try and minimize their hacks to make themselves believe they are better is just sad. not even within counterstrike thats just a sad life honestly

[@Psych1_-]

@@philippmaack5375 There are people who legit enjoy ruining the game for other people. Look at what the cheaters say when called out. They talk shit. They are asshole losers.

[@diogoandre3783]

@@Psych1_- that's correct, also they even try to justify to themselves as it's just a child's video game but in truth most of cheaters lack empathy.

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

@@philippmaack5375 But you dont get anywhere near the same amount of dopamine rush.. So they are brain dead? or just accept a lower bar for happiness?

[@webbergaming1873]

TF2 Players who have been fighting bots since 2019 : First Time ?

[@SuperDuperSeb]

Cs players when they experience 0.001% of average tf2 player’s experience:

[@LegendaryCollektor]

@@SuperDuperSeb this

[@Those_Weirdos]

TF players that have been fighting bots since 1999, to TF2 players: First time?

[@RogueSwansong]

Letting people enable cheats ingame is big brain because it's so easy to detect and ban anyone who does it /s

[@raamy2426]

nah no one that used the exploit got banned its an exploit not a cheat ... eddit : (they only got banned for using it on faceit not the actual game)

[@HerbaceousM8]

if only Valve banned those people. lol

[@srensen3081]

@@HerbaceousM8 the people who used the sv_cheat exploit arent the problem, because if they were cheating before they wouldnt need the exploit to wallhack

[@sosa3559]

That’s the one thing I don’t agree with WarOwl on. There was a streamer who just put in the console command to see if it worked and it did. He turned it off in one second. In result he got banned by twitch and face it. Maybe ban the people who abused the command in a competitive game but don’t ban people just for typing it in. You can type whatever else you want into the console

[@karrenliuk]

@@sosa3559 While it's unfortunate, at least it shows Twitch and FaceIT did something to try to uphold their ToS, which by the way, Valve not only had cheating as an offense on their TOS for decades but that they recently updated to include smurfing and it has changed absolutely nothing because a ToS means nothing when there's no enforcement

[@coolbeans3635]

the dude trying to jump ontop nuke silo meanwhile a whole ass teamfight is happening sent me

[@tappajaav]

to hell?

[@AeyakS]

​@@tappajaavto space silly. He is laughing

[@tappajaav]

@@AeyakS In space, no one can hear your laughter

[@AeyakS]

@@tappajaav oh, then I guess he died. Up to interpretation where he went then

[@tappajaav]

@@AeyakS My guess would be somewhere, or nowhere.

[@ooo6876]

watching billy at 7:35 trying to climb up silo was like sticking 9 inch nails to each one of my eyelids.

[@realpillboxer]

Do you also happen to like Primus?

[@abcdefzhij]

The Fragile's pretty goated tho

[@luukse1238]

Eminem this u?

[@ooo6876]

@@luukse1238 grew into him while watching the clip ☠️

[@TwiggehTV]

Hi kids, do you like violence?

[@Andy-rl8dq]

Another problem I’ve been having is that I go on a losing streak from spinbots, end up in a much lower rank, where there’s less hackers, but then I get accused of cheating because everyone is at a lower rank… they all report me so idk how I can ever get my trust factor up again

[@cyberchef8344]

This was the problem my friends and I encountered back in CSGO. High silver literally became an elo hell because you kept getting reported and then playing cheaters. When we finally broke out of silver we got to master guardian in about a month.

[@vazsup]

Had an enemy tell us in chat that he could see one of our teammates had cheats through the same cheat client. Thought they were just trash talking then the enemy raged on us in the warmup. The dude on our team didn't say anything and after we got botted for two rounds he just types "okay fucker i was just trying to chill" then proceeded to spinbot the rest of the game. Got the win. Felt like a loss. Sucks to see

[@colonelblars9126]

VAC Net became sentient and decided it was sick of our garbage

[@rpk..]

Sounds like a solution an AI would come up with "Solve the cheating problem, we need the game to be fair" *Gives everyone cheats making the game fair*

[@SlamTF2]

now the CS community gets to see how TF2's been for the past 7 years. Valve simply does not care as long as people keep buying keys and SCM items.

[@lewissthompson2005]

As a TF2 fan, with Deadlock on the way I saw a lot of CS fans shit the deck because they were scared that they might end up just like us, and rightfully so. I don't want that for Counter Strike, I don't want them to go through what we're going through, it's bad enough.

[@resthier9764]

The bigger problem with kernel level anti cheats isn't the creator abusing the power, but the massive surface area it opens up for potential backdoors into your PC. If someone discovers a vulnerability they now have complete access to the PC of everyone who plays the game

[@qu1253]

All of this is true, but sadly, it seems like kernel level anti-cheat is the only way to have a decent experience. Cheating has gotten to a point where it's entirely undetectable by less intrusive methods.

[@wittywolk]

@@qu1253 well... yeah, but CS2 have a lot of options before turning to the kernel level AC. At the current state it doesn't even detect blatant spinbots and 5 headshots done in a split second. :| Also, I don't think Valve will ever go with kernel level, not only because of what was pointed out, but also because of SteamDeck (Linux).

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

Yea 100% Sure, it's good when it's working, but unlike csgo cheating where if one person figures out how to hack, it's whatever In valorants case, if 1 person cracks that shit the entire network og players goes bye-bye

[@freedustin]

no the biggest problem is that cheats can go kernel level too...this requires zero exploits and will just happen(already has really.) Also kernel level cheats can be detected from userland, there's nothing magic about kernel level that makes it unobtainium, its just a dangerous place to be working in where something going wrong can affect the entire system.

[@qu1253]

@@wittywolk Then their games will continue to be a cheaters paradise.

[@afterhours1337]

"Valve is big on ethics" I don't know about that one lmao. If they were "big on ethics" then they would've shutdown the whole gambling scene thats been going on in CS for years.

[@goochipoochie]

What does gambling have to do with ethics ? Also gambling with skins you can own is in no way anywhere as evil as paying for skins you DO NOT OWN and cannot resell (which is the industry standard for all other games)

[@evankim2406]

@@goochipoochie Bait used to be believable.

[@afterhours1337]

@@goochipoochie i was referring more to Valve's lack of action against third party gambling sites that are targeting children

[@Scorvy]

​​@@afterhours1337 same deal as bots on tf2, you cut off one head of the hydra 2 more pop up so dealing with it would probably be a waste of resources. Atleast the market for the cs skins are pretty well made so not everyone jumps to gambling/3rd party seller sites

[@BicBoi1984]

​@@afterhours1337 Valve isn't responsible to parent your children lol

[@nickharbor2987]

what sucks is this isnt just a cs problem, its a multiplayer fps problem. literally every fps game, especially the competitive ones, have a serious cheating problem right now. Sure its always been an issue but ive never experienced such wide spread cheating in every multiplayer fps game I love playing. it like the new generation of gamers just default to downloading or writing cheats without trying to play the game naturally for some reason. I would compare it to the issue of professional athletes using substances to out compete they're opponents. as time progresses the drugs/cheats become more effective, more specific and unfortunately harder to detect. The state of competition in the modern age is a complete shit show and its a damn shame.

[@nexuhs.]

valorant literally exists, he talked about it, its much better

[@goochipoochie]

Valorant has never had cheating problem and still doesn't The Finals was full of cheaters at launch and they completely eradicated them within a couple of months Stop inhaling copium for valve, cs2 cheating problem is worse than any other competitive shooter

[@kr4zycat]

@@goochipoochie the finals has ~20k players during peak time. The only thing they eradicated is their playerbase.

[@starfox300]

Many games have kernel anti cheat, this is not as big of a deal as you might think

[@Bexploserpro]

Indeed, i felt the vague increase of cheaters in most fps games over the years. Some years weren't as bad when it came to cheaters. But now because cheaters making others mad who in turn also start cheater is a problem we can't fix. They keep multiplying and ruining people's games/ruining the games themselves. (Remember Call of Duty cheating issues)

[@Monkey420Mode69]

Valve needs to make a statement about the cheater problem. Only info we ever get is “fixed missing pixel on vertigo” and “new case/event” players quitting the game isn’t enough they just get replaced by leveling bots, we need youtubers to speak up for us and stop playing and that includes the skintubers. Only way to get Valve to address this is for them to see a major shift in players and community.

[@dannyjames-h9y]

because they cant fix it lol, csgo engine is 10+ years old, its like any old game, after the engine gets old it gets exploited for cheats.

[@edyslavico3761]

It is crazy to me that they removed all the anti-cheat systems from CSGO. Not only did they not improve the AC, they freaking removed core parts of it altogether. Mindboggling incompetence.

[@starfox300]

There is someone in CS2 management who is mentally ill

[@DatCheeseCake]

They essentially rebuilt csgo on source 2 for cs2. It wouldn't have worked well/at all

[@fanaticist]

crate selling program

[@DarchrowTheEnigma]

I dont think source 1 anti-cheat could work for source 2. its probably gonna mess up anyway since its a new engine

[@karrenliuk]

@@DarchrowTheEnigma It's almost like they should've had an improved anticheat in its place for the follow-up title...

[@wittywolk]

I quit three months ago because of two cheaters who were just bhopping to our spawn and then killing us in a split second, but not only that - after eleven rounds of that mess, they surrendered. That was my limit, and I've been playing this game for fifteen years. I was hoping CS2 would bring some new anti-cheat stuff, but nope, nothing.

[@SuperDuperSeb]

Hahaha owned. Valve doesn’t care about you btw

[@Shini1984]

I found my own solution. I stopped playing competitive multiplayer games 😂😂😂

[@asdfomfglol]

try games made by companies that care like Riot, you would be surprised.

[@sveneFX]

we finally switched to faceit and had the best CS time in months

[@rusi6219]

​@@asdfomfglollmao are you serious

[@serpopreso]

Why not doing a movement like fixtf2? This is the best moment to do it, and if anyone on the CS2 community tried, sure they will get FixTF2 people supporting guaranted. We should all together ask for Valve to fix their shit

[@philliplewis1586]

It's actually reached a level where I can't have fun playing. I've been hooked on this game for almost a decade, and in that time I haven't found any other game I enjoy to the same level. I also have had a hard time pulling myself away from the game for more than a couple of days at a time. It's been a week since I played CS, and that was only to get my weekly drop. It was another week before that. I'm not even missing it. Valve has to come up with a solution. All the "dead game" memes because of other games coming out were stupid, but this very well could actually kill Counterstrike. I want to come back, but at this point I need a reason to return, not a reason to leave.

[@SuperDuperSeb]

The game is dead lil bro move on, have sex

[@hellraiser2345]

The worst part is the players that go "OmFg YoUr JuSt BaD tHeRe AreNt ChEaTeRs"

[@kyrillgaming8089]

thats what cheaters usually say to gaslight and protect their fellow cheaters , if its posted on reddit you can see plenty of em trying to get rid the post with hard evidences with reports or massive downvoting

[@user-hf6os1qb2w]

Most likely cheaters trying to gaslight legit players

[@spacebassist]

@@user-hf6os1qb2w also why they tend to queue with friends, it's an intimidation attempt for two of them to say "nah you're just bad" but then you just remind yourself they need cheats to get kills (and closet cheating is for losers)

[@rbNNNN]

are you over 20k / level 10 faceit? Generally you're a bad player if you don't carry those stats. Meaning you can destroy a 10k who has wall hacks. "I don't mind if they have a little bit of cheats like walls or ESP, but when they're spin botting it's no fun" - n0thing

[@brasen576]

@@rbNNNN Ah yes, the classic "anyone who is lower elo than me is trash".

[@ACECOMBOI]

CS:GO then: An amazing FPS with actual strats and super popular CS2 now: A gambling site with in-game modes to show off your expensive pixels

[@vackor]

had been saying this since like 2016 but skins and the people that it attracted are a pest on humanity who dont deserve a coffin

[@Nini-wq8uh]

expensive hacks**

[@TUTOSANDROIDtutorialesymas]

dont act like csgo wasnt filled with cheaters now.

[@Lomni]

CSGO at the same time last year was nowhere near as bad as CS2 is now in terms of cheaters, not even close.

[@Gigakoopz]

CSGO was litterally a gambling simulator as well. Don't be dishonest. It's not an amazing game neither. Both are overated garbo.

[@iamShorteh]

Problem with kernel level anti-cheat is there have been serious cases of security breaches or even degraded performance as a result.

[@xehP]

It actually is full of cheating, I’m a decent skilled player, I have a few alt accounts and on those alts I have noticed so many cheaters, I was so convinced it wasn’t that bad and they weren’t cheating just good players when I watched demo it was evident, what a shame

[@lukasg4807]

Yeah, because they're low trust factor smurfs.

[@JasonPikachu]

​@@lukasg4807Trust factor ain't even a thing anymore bro..

[@cwfps]

@@JasonPikachuit is but the game is just so full of cheaters it doesnt matter

[@lemonke5341]

@@JasonPikachulast time i played the game i had silvers in my games as an LEM and a blatant wall hacker on my team that was so bad he was still bottom fragging even when i reported him he never got banned cause he was so bad 😂 aint never playing csgo again money grab game

[@rude_wredne]

you are also a part of the problem. Smurfing is such a dick move

[@Kiberboolja]

When I first read that EF academy players were banned for 2 years I thought it was too much for poor kids. But then I found out that they are 20+ years old. Deserved

[@TheBestcommentor]

If you're young enough that you shouldn't be punished severely for cheating, then you're too young to be playing online games anyway.

[@tappajaav]

@@TheBestcommentor That's a fine line. I wouldn't give 15 year old kid huge bonk from banhammer, and they're absolutely old enough to play online games.

[@coooolibri]

they went on ohnepixel stream, the 2 guys with another guy called ngin. a turkish german "pro". he played with gobb back then and stuff. but they explained cause they thought the other team using the command they used it themselves, and that is bsically prisoners dilemma. you cant just do it, cause somebody else does it.

[@AlexUrzica]

Majority of cheaters i usually see in my lobbies are from Turkey, and so many of them take pride in that when called out as well..

[@1ron1ngot]

I am Turkish myself and I am ashamed of this.

[@lightningfarronxp8899]

Real talk, people SHOULDN'T play on face it either. Playing on Faceit enables valve to be lazy and let the community do the work instead of doing something about it themselves, which they should do considering its THEIR game THEY make millions of dollars a month on. They OWE it to the playerbase to give them a quality experience.

[@arielariel1176]

I said this on reddit and people immediately said that "so I should just suffer with cheaters?". such stupid illiterate kids

[@AeyakS]

Shouldn't need to*

[@carlosgaleotegandara7812]

Like if faceit is cheat free lmao. If anything,faceit cheaters are the best at hiding it

[@roflmatol]

Stop buying cases and skins and they might do something about it. Otherwise why bother, they are still getting paid

[@NKillBruh]

​@@carlosgaleotegandara7812Yes cause DMA costs a helluva lot to buy

[@Salzmann_AvX]

"Valve is as bad at making a matchmaking system as Bethesda is at making a game." - TheWarOwl

[@DMitsukirules]

"I think if riot abused the trust..." Nope. Gameguard is kernel level and got hacked. Nobody remembers, cares, and people still use it 'til this day.

[@DanyyyyyJPF]

vanguard is spyware confirmed riot is owned by a chinese company called tencent notorious for stealing info although nobody cares wow

[@GeeNo_]

You have a source? Anyone can make a comment saying anything. Having a source would help people reading what you write 'care' more

[@karime2800]

esea litteraly had a bitcoin miner back in the day and people still use it, at least riot actually has a reputation to harm if they deliberately damaged people's computers

[@crittr]

​@@GeeNo_ my windows defender detected gameguard as a virus, soooo... lol

[@TheBestcommentor]

​@@GeeNo_you can't link sources in KZbin comments. Links just get auto-deleted.

[@drulex9816]

7:43 It is totally legit to think that large corporations won't abuse this power, but you don't take into account that other malicious actors can abuse the system.

[@paroxysm6437]

what youre not taking into account is that kernel level is completely irrelevant and legitimately just propaganda. you dont need kernel level access to take over your PC. if a malicious actor gained access to steam or just the game - they could easily infect your PC through a malicious update. you dont need kernel level to steal your data, take over your PC.

[@egoros7]

@@paroxysm6437 no, i think what the drulex9816 means is that if there was a bug or a vulnerability in kernel anti cheat you could get in more easily. its literally unsafe to have some 3rd party software running ALWAYS when your computer is turned on

[@zelbekon]

@@paroxysm6437 You're right and it is also false that Riot has the access to your entire computer, it's not what "kernel level" means and it doesn't work this way. The fact that someone with 1.5M subscribers spreads this kind of misinformation is just awful, dude just reiterated all the nonsense in one breath without even attempting to check whether it's true or not

[@seta_samuli2759]

large corporations wont abuse except for ESEA (they mined crypto on people's computers)

[@xweert711]

@@seta_samuli2759 well... they abused it to mine bitcoin, and then they only made $3,713 off of the bitcoin, but had to pay millions in lawsuits, with some still pending, meaning they are in a way worse spot than they were before. That was kinda the point; if they *do* abuse it, it fucks them over severely.

[@RacingRalphEVO]

7:44 - well the main problem isn't that a legit company will abuse the ability to access your data. The biggest problem is that they could introduce a bug, that would enable hackers to easily get full control over your machine. The less highly privileged code - the lower the probability for introducing some vulnerability.

[@avannah6735]

I don't understand why people still don't care about Vanguard. It's a literal spyware and people keep playing it without saying anything, I'm just speechless

[@MrChoklad]

​@@avannah6735I think people don't believe these things are as dangerous as they are. I don't want it to be a massive malware to infect millions of PCs for people to get scared, but it looks like that's the only way. In the same way that dude during COVID-19 hacked into people smart printers and printed warnings about how easy it is to get to someone's wifi network via one of these machines.

[@TheGodKratosKillsYou]

@@avannah6735 Your average casual player neither cares about it nor really understands what it is and a lot of tech-savvy gamers just want to play the game and accept it

[@m-seb]

The possibility of an exploit being found in a kernel level driver is what scares me the most, it's not about what the company can do to my PC, it's what a bad actor could do with an exploit.

[@repcond988]

​@avannah6735 how do you play the game without a monitor, keyboard, mouse, controller, graphics card, motherboard, ram, cpu? Those all have kernel drivers, among many more things in your computer. If you want to play a game without kernel drivers, you'd just be staring at your case.

[@jaimewilson3644]

6:30 “valve is big on ethics” Millions of parents credit cards have something else to say

[@Helveteshit]

Sounds like parents with a lacking brain. It is common knowledge that if your bank allows it, your credit card is just going to have miniscule amount while all your proper savings are on a separate account. To prevent skimming, card theft and more. To reduce the potential damage.

[@shhyeehaha]

well good thing they have a very good refund system

[@KolyaUrtz]

They always refund if a parent calls them

[@truedarklander]

???

[@llama6394]

Saying 1 word "gambling" would have the same effect

[@BAGG8BAGG]

Two major things you missed, 1st: because pretty much all anti-cheats are closed source, having so many machines with what is essentially a rootkit installed makes a large amount of people very vulnerable to attack and relying on the company to disclose this. 2nd: Valve has always been a turnkey company, they have always wanted the community to do the work and they just provide the tool set, I think as long as the market for cases is strong the incentive to spend time fixing the glaring problems is not a priority. Just look at their history, until it effects their bottom line, they do not care.

[@paroxysm6437]

A major thing you missed is almost all the programs you have are closed sourced. Whether it be steam, discord, CS2 etc. They’re all one bad update away from your PC and millions others being compromised. It relies on the company to ensure that doesn’t happen. But somehow vanguard is worse because… kernel level? kernel level just allows for more direct control of the hardware and software. You don’t need kernel level to steal your data, install ransomware etc. It’s truly irrelevant in terms of security.

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

@@paroxysm6437 It's funny how many games with bad code, like titanfall or CoD, have resulted in attackers being able to RCE while kernel ac has never been exploited, but these people still come out of nowhere anytime "kernel ac" is mentioned to larp as security experts and cry about computer security and vulnerabilities.

[@Kat_299]

@@Johnsmithhjoe If I was into conspiracies I'd say these people are probably cheating themselves 🤔

[@Cigaro_]

The game is dying because of the cheaters and poor optimization, and Valve is like: "hey, here is Kilowatt Case"

[@toughluck8012]

It's not just high elo premier, it's every rank and in comp too. Spin botters, blatant aim bots, and wall trackers, constantly. It's just sad that people are so selfish

[@Piman1607]

Remember someone saying that online multi-player gaming is going to hit a point where there are so many cheaters, in every game, that the games industry is going to just give up on the concept and we are going to go back to couch co-op and single player experiences being the main style of games. I thought that was ridiculous, but every year it does seems more and more likely we will eventually get there

[@alaeriia01]

No, it will just turn into what War Thunder does (pay-to-win, followed by whaling).

[@svenski7392]

Yes, Valves is interested in money not playerbase, the energy the spend into the skin market should show it enough. They are making money by letting people cheat and ban them time to time that they buy new accounts.

[@ObieCS2]

Really missing CSGO at this moment. I had high trust factor and my rank was perfectly calibrated to give me challenging but fun matches. Now it's either cheaters on Valve servers or weird Faceit matches with players ranging in skill from silver to semi-pro.

[@vackor]

im the silver, went from 250 fps to 100 in cs2 which i cap at 60, unplayable and unfun, valve needs a reality check possibly even via bombthreats. also who the f says "stop complaining" when they straight up massacared the csgo community

[@matt3570]

@@vackor "needs a reality check possibly even via bombthreats" what is wrong with you?..

[@ex3529]

@@vackor bomb threats dude? you should be in a hospital. you need the reality check here.

[@Gelato__33]

@@ex3529 report bro for promoting terrorism.

[@102ndsmirnov7]

ye, CSS2 is a joke of a game and is utter garbage compared to CSGO. Only good thing CSS2 has added are the new weapon models (even though the skins don't even work on them yet). The problem for Valve is that if they had released CSS2 separate to CSGO, no one would play CSS2. CSGO is just vastly superior. If we had the choice I'm sure only valourant kiddes would still play CSS2.

[@FiftyKcal]

Really disappointed by Valve. They let the issue go on for so long that at this point it's almost common knowledge that premier/mm is HvH without consquences. This is really disappointing for someone (like me) who loves CS. They let my favourite game become a cheater infested shitfest.

[@Micha-Hil]

Never clicked a WarOwl video faster in my life. Highly agree, I think CS2 needs more anti cheat functionality.

[@qu1253]

Whatever happened to that fancy AI anti-cheat they bragged about? Was that just false advertising?

[@BicBoi1984]

​@@qu1253no and they were going to make an announcement for it which was canned. They are going forward with the AI anti cheat in the near future, that's how Valve is going to do it. Not with invasive crap that doesn't even work.

[@TheHollowBlade]

@@qu1253its probably not ready yet. Plus it aint just cs. Online gaming as a whole is at risk currently. Every single game that has any pvp or competitive aspect gets flooded with cheaters now days. Something big needs to happen for the entire industry or online gaming will be dead.

[@qu1253]

@@TheHollowBlade That's where you're wrong. The cheating epidemic hasn't affected profits or user engagement. Millions of people still play CS2, Apex, Tarkov, etc. despite them all being infested with cheaters.

[@TheHollowBlade]

@@qu1253 but the issue is getting worse by the day.. eventually people are going to have a breaking point where the experience just wont be fun or worth it anymore if you are a player who is legit but casual. I give it 4-6 years. If not good anticheats are provided shit will take a massive hit.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

I am amazed this channel still exists and that the guy doesn’t seem to have aged a day in something like 5 years.

[@rosemikebossi9471]

i know. ive bin watching him since 2012. he taught me everything about cs.

[@ThatGuyNamedRick]

So... Valve is currently on Vacation in Hawaii. It's about that time of year when I try to book a flight myself to see family only to see a wall of "Sold Out" messages when I try to look for a seat. We wont see anything for another month, expect it to get worse, and for nothing to happen after that because GUESS WHAT - DALLAS FINALS!!!!

[@MementoMoriMementoVivere881]

Counter Strike 2 means twice as many cheaters

[@Siafk]

Cheater Strike ^^

[@JamesthePizzaMan]

Warowl: "Valve is big on ethics." Valve: allows bots to run rampant for years spreading racism and CP in TF2 (yes I know the bots are gone for now but that doesn't change what they knowingly allowed to happen)

[@SkyNetgr]

They even removed the replay feature in casual, where you could easily detect if your opponent used a cheat to kill you...

[@owariyf3097]

"i dont wanna think about that stuff... i just wanna play some counter strike" that hit home in a way i did not expect it to

[@plop31]

It's the same for me bro, I'm really sad. it's like facing the end of a long relationship with your life partner. you don't want to end it, but you have to in order to continue. and i'm still in the denial phase. as far back as i can remember playing on computers against other people, it was Half-Life Counter strike. that was 24 fucking years ago.

[@lewissthompson2005]

@@plop31 I'm sorry man, cheaters are really ruining online gaming for all of us, as a big TF2 fan it's so sad to see my favourite childhood game get invaded by a bunch of cheating pricks with nothing else better to do

[@St0RM33]

Don't play it, don't buy skins, don't buy kits, i already stopped 1 week before the streamers, until valvoline fixes their shit for real

[@xSintex]

Its not just valve. The epidemic is everywhere. Every pvp shooter game, and even some co op games. Its sad but the downfall of video games is going to be done not by the developers, but by the players.

[@St0RM33]

@@xSintex mate even pubg at its peak with the chinese didn't have 5% of the cs2 cheaters today

[@Ferrari255GTO]

Valvoline? My man ain't no motor oil company running CS XD

[@St0RM33]

@@Ferrari255GTOYou prefer Volvo?;p

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@St0RM33 i mean, volvo is a fucking cool brand and anyone who says otherwise doesn't actually know about them, if anything valvoline would fit better because it's less reputable than our kings from sweden

[@bsn_cs]

-playing matchmaking with 2 friends -the 2 randoms are a duo -one of them kills my friend -we kill him -he starts rage hacking -we cant kick him -we box him in and drop him molotovs -HE THROWS ONE -he gets kicked, we kick his duo

[@leonmusic1699]

Got my rank back at around 12k elo, been losing every since. Yesterday I lost over 1k elo within two games containing blatent cheaters. The third game we won against a blatent wallhacker. And the situation doesnt get better through the fact that you seem to get punished if you lose. Loss always means 500+ reduction of rank… And a win only every brings like 117 more elo. Its a disgrace. And right now I‘m like 8k elo. The cheater problem is no longer limited to the higher ranks.

[@wizardpower6158]

tf2 be like "first time?"

[@jackpan4535]

Cs community is just lucky valve doesn’t have a shinier cash machine. Otherwise they’d do the same thing they did to tf2. Just leave it for dead milking the remaining community ☠️

[@Ervonesque]

Thing is, Valve tried to kill tf2 for years straight anyway, so our reaction at this point is pretty much "Well, it's a damn shame they don't care about this old ass game anymore," while CS2 is just fresh out of release and already treated like this

[@karrenliuk]

@@Ervonesque as bad as csgo had it, at least over the years they introduced alternative methods in which they tried to approach the cheater problem. Maybe the same will follow up in cs2, given enough years that is

[@gvulture1277]

Valve Anti Cheat will never be kernel level because Valve respects users privacy and prefer Linux which its community doesn't want any kind of invasive private code running on their system. Also Faceit is not protected from all cheats, it keeps out the easy ones but we need to stop peddling this lie. No anti-cheat is perfect, that's probably why Riot Games doesn't want to give its players a replay viewer because its possible that cheating accusations will prop up in droves.

[@22lauta]

Also when VAC released like 7 years ago, Gaben himself come out to explain why VAC analized your PC on a superior level for cheats, probably Valve doesnt want that stuff to happend again

[@JordianLoL]

Literally not a single soul is peddling that lie. You are just being silly. Everyone knows you can't stop all cheats. There will always be cheaters. Everyone knows this. That doesn't mean we should accept having more cheaters though lol. It's a terrible argument. A good anticheat can still stop a ton of cheaters way more than whatever VAC is doing.

[@h1tzzYT]

official cs2 servers - spinbot faceit servers - closet cheaters (a lot better tho)

[@l.3626]

Dude there are so many cheaters in valorant. Probably multiple reasons why people think valorant is cheater free. First like you said no kill cam, second, many valorant players are really not that experienced with cheats, their first shooter might have been valorant so they assume most is legit. 3rd valorant players are somehow less competitive and more stupid than cs players and just don't understand it, probably the reason they would let a company install malware on their pc (anti cheat)

[@l.3626]

​@@h1tzzYTif nobody really knows you are cheating even after watching the demo then it's atleast playable, but for sure less fun

[@lw8882]

I was an overwatch participant during CSGO. Viewed hundreds and hundreds of demos, and most of them were blatant spinbotters, with the occasional "is this guy walling or just good?" that required xray mode and a little bit of paying attention. It was only toward the last 2 years or so of csgo that I started to watch more subtle cheats that actually took a second to evaluate or required going back and watching a second time. The point is that the detection was getting good. It went from only showing blatant spinbotters bunnyhopping at max speed to eventually showing people whose recoil was just a little bit too unnaturally good with flicks more accurate than s1mple or jks on their best day, but not so consistent as to be robotic. We went from a system like that, where I could reliably expect to see an overwatch case every time I opened the game, and eventually expect to actually have to investigate the cheater because it required me to do so, to no system at all. To play devil's advocate for a second, I can understand why valve might be hesitant to implement a system like overwatch in cs2 straight away, even if it were possible to just port the learning models and infrastructure straight over, which I assume it isn't. It would probably result in a lot of false positives with a new game, a new playerbase, and new cheats. But that just means you'd weed out the inaccurate overwatch demo viewers, not ban people who didn't deserve it. So idk, I don't think there's a particularly compelling argument for them not having a similar or at least equivalent in detection success system in place for cs2.

[@dominic7866]

the whole "inviting someone to play and experience is ruined by low trust rating" is so real, ive been playing for years but i remember playing comp for the first time with a uni friend and in our first game there were ragehackers on both teams spamming slurs in chat valorant has been a much better experience for me in general, but i know a lot of people will never give up cs:go

[@papahellmann]

Yea, like me i played a few hours of valorant- but honestly it made me feel old. Cause i seriously couldnt stand it, there is too much magical flashy and random shit happening on the screen. It just feels wrong for something that plays like cs. Some bird comes flying in and im flashed^^ some fucking green cabbage, bruh whatever seriously. They got what like 20 agents now, every one has diffrent abilities- its approaching fighting game level necessary game knowledge i just aint got time for

[@wotsurn]

​@@papahellmann One of the issues I have with any character based shooter, is over time the game gets bloated when they keep adding new characters with new abilities. Not to mention keeping new characters balanced is always difficult.

[@malif1279]

​@@wotsurnYeah it unfortunately happened with R6Siege (to a lesser but still noticeable extent) and it will absolutely happen to Valorant too

[@XDJaegermeister]

My experience: CS GO: 1680 matchmaking game and 3 ragehacker over 7 years CS 2: 220 matchmaking game + premier and 3 ragehacker in 7 days

[@karrenliuk]

If they were cheaters in seperate games, that means you only faced one in every 74 games. Honestly, surprisingly good odds

[@XDJaegermeister]

True but if you count the games in between, only 10 games or so.

[@ElPabloDelDiablo]

Trustfactor should kind of work like the sportsmanship rating system in Gran Turismo. It stars of high and then if you are toxic or cheat it will get tanked. This way new players have a chance.

[@cyansuy3062]

Considering the game is free, there's pretty much nothing stopping cheaters to constantly create new account to pollute the high trust-factor matches.

[@ElPabloDelDiablo]

@@cyansuy3062 Yes, but imagine it would also go by commendations and you wouldn't start in the highest trustfactor.

[@marlon.8051]

​@@cyansuy3062 you start at low trust factor when make a new account, for the new players that sucks but it is what it is

[@Very_Questionable]

@@ElPabloDelDiablo that would be the dumbest implementation, there's a thing called a commend bot

[@cyansuy3062]

@@ElPabloDelDiablo Basing it by commendation is dumb. As the other guy said, there are bots. But there's also the fact that no one ever commend. Personally, I've played for 7+ years and commended 1 person, which was an exceptional case. Most people don't commend because most people don't care or even know it exists

[@abc123number1america]

“Valve is big on ethics” my brother in Christ they make most of their money off of children gambling 😅

[@SpiritumTimoris]

RIP road to Global

[@xpk0228]

I mean even rage hackers can't get to global now lol. I think the best rank is like LEM right now and the ones have it are spinning in their match with 99% win rate

[@A3r0XxLol]

Global doesn't exist.

[@TheWarOwl]

I stopped that series immediately because the ranking system was broken, I was waiting for them to fix it to jump back in.

[@TENNOM]

@@TheWarOwl and unfortunately its still broken because no one in comp is above gn2/3

[@JulianGoddard]

What worries me is that several vulnerabilities they fixed in csgo seem to have been reopened in cs2. For example: in csgo, weapon inaccuracy was enforced server side meaning the cheater at least had to use good movement and stop to shoot like everyone else. I have some hope that they will reimplement overwatch and patch old vulnerabilities but I really hope they don't further normalize kernel anticheat even though I trust valve more than riot.

[@qu1253]

You either have kernel level anti-cheat or your game dies under a wave of cheaters. Pick one.

[@rawsoldier4278]

I am 29y.o and the most disapointing thing is that the players support cheaters. Yesterday we won against a guy with wh and during the whole game the enemy didn't even try to block him or kick him. And yes he was solo Q. And 2 days ago, my team had a cheater i blocked him and voted kick him and then my team mates kicked me cause i wanted him out. The cs2 community is full of kidos...

[@Mattadork]

well why would you kick your only chance of winning when more than likely the other team also has a hacker? hackers have been so frequent in csgo for the longest time that it is often you find games like that, not to long ago there was an obvious cheater on the enemy team... like i'm talking prefire headshotting everyone constantly but TRYING to hide it, meanwhile our teammate we could tell was obviously cheating he even went front 1 round instant headshotting the entire enemy team and then the next (while everyone was watching him) missed his entire magazine into 1 guy and died, then we called him out on it and he pulled the "pfft you're just mad cause bad" which confirmed that he was indeed hacking, we didn't kick him we just reported him and asked the enemy team to do so... kicking him would have meant a loss for the match which makes your rank go lower.

[@gabrielandy9272]

why would i kick a cheater? the more he plays and trhe more he cheats more likely to be banned from overwatch after, i would acctualy want work with the enemy team to make you guys the enemey hide alot, so he fails to hide this cheats and get banned, when a cheater is in the match you should not want he kicked, you want he to fail at hiding he is cheating to get banned. thats what i do, sometimes i even afk letting the cheater go first on the bomb sites i want he banned as much as you want, but the best way for this is to let he cheat. besides if he get banned the win/loss is removed atleast it was in cs go.

[@rawsoldier4278]

@@gabrielandy9272 LOL u must be stupid

[@Blue_Monkey]

There were always substantial amounts of cheaters in FaceIT, the difference to the normal matchmaking was, that it wasn't as bad. Enough documentation about this can be found on the internet, where recorded cheaters are still not banned, despite overwhelming evidence and countless reports ...

[@CorneliusCornbread]

The problem with kernel level anti cheats is that they're not compatible with Linux, and given Valve's interest with Linux on the Steamdeck, it's incredibly unlikely that you're going to see a kernel level anti cheat for CS2. Moreover, kernel level anti cheats, while an improvement, have already been circumvented, its just that the cheats for them are _very_ subtle due to the fact that many of them use computer vision instead of reading game memory. Worse yet is the fact that workarounds like DMA cards are becoming more and more common and cheaper and cheaper. Kernel level anti cheats are another leap frog in cheating yes, but in due time we will be back to where we started, mark my words in 5-10 years vanguard will be seen in the same light as VAC is today. What we're likely to see is Valve taking Vacnet further, using server side analysis to detect cheaters, you can't block an anticheat that doesn't even run on your computer.

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

@@briondalion Valve has been trying VAC Ai for over a year and it is still terrible. False flagging legitimate players and not banning blatant cheaters.

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

The problem with linux support in a comp game is supporting linux without anti-cheat. Linux users disproportionately cheat.

[@CorneliusCornbread]

@@Johnsmithhjoe this is infact: completely untrue. Source? The majority of cheats and tools to reverse engineer and decompile games are actually made for Windows and Windows only. Therefore it's actually significantly easier to cheat on Windows from an average gamers perspective. This has been the case for the past decade, as why the hell would and cheat maker making cheats for profit target a platform nobody uses? The answer is, they don't.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

​@@Johnsmithhjoe lol wrong The cheats might be developed on Linux but they're deployed on Windows The vast majority of the most anti-Linux "anti cheat" systems are more for preventing easy player progress (to sell "premium" stuff) than they are to stop things that negatively affect the player experience (See CoD 202x games inability to block cheaters but ability to block XP farming)

[@rbNNNN]

Valve already said they won't implement an intrusive client.... EVER. So I don't know what to tell you but that anti-cheat update isn't coming. Server side anti-cheat doesn't ban cheaters, it bans people who lag.

[@Sedonapass]

when one KZbinr starts it, they all follow suit for content. About time you made this. thanks.

[@coreynj]

I appreciate the "young people do stupid things" motto, when I was younger (like 2016) my first CS:GO account got VAC banned because I got fed up with cheaters and decided to use cheat engine to toggle sv_cheats from 0 to 1 in an official matchmaking server, thinking it would work, and got rightfully banned halfway through my first match using them. Some people still tell me "once a cheater, always a cheater" and things like that because I cheated once 8 years ago but I haven't cheated in any sort of multiplayer competitive game since. To think in CS2 you could just toggle cheats on without any sort of external program and get away with it is absolutely hilarious, they literally downgraded their anti-cheat from 2016

[@starfox300]

You belong to the streets!

[@czkmeister]

What a cheater thing to say.

[@ex_S1N]

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Everyone is young once. That doesn't excuse your shit morals.

[@Jehty_]

​@@ex_S1Nso you think morals don't change? Or what are you trying to argue?

[@ex_S1N]

@@Jehty_ why would morals change if you know it's inherently wrong?

[@TheBodomite]

The Overwatch system relied on unpaid users doing Valves work for them, much like mods on streaming services or social media. A lot more *could* be done without going full Stasi on your computer, but it would take actual man hours and that's expensive. Cheating is worse than it has to be because companies don't care about the customer, they care about the profit, and there is a much bigger disconnect between those two than people like to imagine.

[@HerbaceousM8]

some faceit guys DID offer to help valve and i understand that Valve declined. The Ex-faceit people had NON INVASIVE answers for a good number of exploits. its not even a good excuse for Valve to say no.

[@major_ser]

Its a bittersweet to see my clip in here. Glad youre shedding light on these issues, but sad that it has to even get to this point in the first place. Thank Mr Owl

[@CilantroToast]

ESEA has a kernel-level anticheat.. They had a dev abuse that trust and install a cryptominer. ESEA still became a large third-party competitive service afterwards.

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

That doesn't have to do with kernel access and could be done with any software you have installed. All a malicious dev, company, or hacker needs is to execute code and install whatever they want on your machine. They don't need to go software with specific access.

[@samuelburnett6811]

@@Johnsmithhjoe That's just reinforcing the issue then. If we cannot trust these companies to have userland access, why the hell are we trusting them with kernel access? The potential for abuse is even greater.

[@Johnsmithhjoe]

@@samuelburnett6811 No it's not. The amount of fear mongering you have in reality would mean you don't install any software and are careful with your hardware. That just isn't the case stop coping.

[@spicynoodle7419]

​@@JohnsmithhjoeThat's not true with flatpak Steam on Linux. Steam only has access the its installation directory and my Downloads directory. With a compromised userspace anticheat they wouldn't be able to see or exploit shit on my computer.

[@TheArtikae]

@@JohnsmithhjoeIt literally is tho.

[@aegis4142]

im at a point where i dont know what to play anymore cause everything sucks in its own unique way

[@fubkegt4964]

Using cheats openly is so common now in cs2, but the wildest thing is that even cheaters aka "legit cheaters" are complaining about cheaters 😭💀

[@Manuda]

I left CS behind when I played Valorant where I get no cheaters. After about 3 months of Valorant I went and played CSGO. I encountered a cheater in the very first game. Never going back to CS.

[@selma9466]

How do you know you havent played vs a wallhacker in valorant? theres no replay system, you cant know.

[@arog7493]

@@selma9466 This. Just google Valorant Cheats and see what you find, I imagine it's 80% psychology. People THINK Valorant's anti cheat works and therefor imagines the guy that is very good to just be legit or a smurf, while people think CS2 doesn't have a functioning anti cheat and therefor imagines the guy that is very good to be cheating, even though he might just be very good.

[@NaturesFlame]

Valorant has cheaters. I have no idea where people get the idea that it's some utopia. You don't have replays and you have a higher trust in kernel anti cheat. That's the only real difference. People bypass kernel level anticheats quite easily (some great videos on KZbin about it) and lack of replays means when you do encounter a cheater you can't be sure. Your far more likely to assume a cheater is "just a good player" in valorant because you HAVE to. Does CS have more cheaters? Sure. This idea that valorant is cheat free however is absolutely bonkers AND wrong.

[@nonsense0000]

​@@NaturesFlameyeah 1 cheater in valo equal to 5000 cheaters in cs😂i stick with valo tbh

[@realpillboxer]

Another really slick thing Valorant did was to take "cheating" abilities, like wall hack, movement speed, aim lock, etc. and implement them as hero capabilities. It's not going to stop everyone from cheating, but it's going to give some people a reason *not* to cheat.

[@ToiletPlugger]

anecdotal. i played a ton of cs in 1999-2007 or so. today, I'm a very casual, casual player. i.e. i play casual, and death match with a friend. i noticed in one of my deathmatch games today, a guy join, and start shooting everyone through doors, instant headshots etc. he had JUST joined the DM halfway through and made 50 kills very quickly. i called him out on it, and he left. it was just so egregious. i'm very surprised we've made such little progress with cheating over the years. aimbots/wallhacks etc were a problem....25 years ago....

[@yuyutopt]

the problem is, cheat software makes profit, A LOT. It wasnt much widely known or streamline like back in the 2000s, now after 25 years, programming is much more accessible, so is gaming in general, this enables every cheat makers to do their own creation like its an arm race. The cheats that was hard to catch is distributed in private and payments.

[@alepouG]

The hipocrisy with this dude, you joined the cheaters a long time ago serves you right, this game is unplayable

[@h1tzzYT]

the mid premier ranks are somewhat ok like 10-15K, but once you go past ~21K oh boy, the clown fiesta begins, if you are global level or ~20K+ premier dont even bother with premier right now its unplayable, valve desperately needs to do something. I used to be global in ~2015-2017 at the height of csgo cheating, but it was nowhere near as bad as in cs2 right now

[@Eagron]

you are the fourth yt that quit cs2 premier! (that i saw) you are totally right, it's like a protest for a good thing

[@brickstonesonn9276]

Valve should add a way for players in a match to end the match due to cheating via a vote. If everyone in the match agrees there's cheaters, the match ends without anyone losing or gaining rating, and the suspected cheaters are reported.

[@kurtaerts1630]

it cane be heavily abused

[@fearsomefoursome4]

Good idea until you have multiple hackers.

[@Panda-zh5lc]

I had 8 cheaters in one game yesterday 18k elo

[@rishabyamdagni1334]

CS2 Player Wishlist: 1. We need Subtick WITH 128 Tick. 2. Better anti cheat for Matchmaking and Premier. 3. Cl_bob, Clear_Decals reintroduced. 4. Older game modes and community modes like surf reintroduced/ revamped. 5. Fix dying behind walls, rubberbanding, and the insane peekers advantage. 6. Improve Bunny hopping and movement. 7. We should always able to reconnect if network drops. 8. Fix the "XYZ" did not accept the match problem where the accept icon does not even show up. 9. We need Train, Cache, and Cobblestone back. 10. If all or most of these are met, a new operation would be awesome.

[@akkrecola]

Forgot that you had a CompSci degree, I felt this to be a very qualified video cheating in CS specifically. As a fellow computerman, thanks for the VAC explanation. So many people have false expectations of VAC and what it does, even those deep embedded in the community. Also the kernel access side of things, even if the most of the playerbase doesn't care about security - they might one day, and they'll remember videos like this. It's so satisfying to hear the same argument from you which I've laid out to everyone I know, although not as humbly as you did, I'm afraid. They have their own engine, their own SDK, their own game, and undoubtedly incredibly skilled engineers. I really hope there's some 1000 IQ (server-side) play Valve is preparing, which just failed on the launch but is being rolled out in some time. PS. I, as so many others, learned CS so many years ago with your videos. I'm still bad, but that's because I'm older than donk. Thanks WarOwl!

[@fearsomefoursome4]

I'd really hope for that too but I doubt it with how buggy the game has been and the lack of maps and just the over all unpreparedness that the game is clearly presenting with. Like enabling wall hacks with a console command?! like seriously?

[@R0B0GAMEIR]

Valve : "I mean, you can have this new case with no interesting skins in exchange."

[@Omega900]

Valve busy with the 5 sticker placements... they cant deal with cheats rn

[@SioxerNikita]

You are aware that there are several teams, right? And they are all working on different things, right?

[@allo3354]

Everyone talking bout cheats but is forgetting how bad the gameplay is compared to csgo. It is not as responsive as csgo, spraying sucks, movement sucks.

[@Hearthful_]

Man I had the worst luck possible with VAC. Remember the 2015 Steam Christmas cache leaks? Well, someone got into my perfect standing account on which I had hundreds of games and hundreds of hours in CS:GO. I got home from school one day and saw I had a "You got perma VAC banned in CS:GO" mail. I hadn't had CS:GO installed for a month or two by that point. I immediately jumped to support but they obviously wouldn't and couldn't do anything, and after that I completely lost all love for the game and motivation to play. As I said, some of the worst luck I could've had. And I even had (well, still have) an inventory full of 2015 major stickers I was planning on selling/trading :')

[@0xe0b69e]

You can contact steam support and asking to just lift up trade ban, with reason that you put money into it and got banned without reason. There is a chance they'll accept it

[@otakurt1149]

The thing about overwatch was it was allegedly sabotaged beyond repair that VACnet could no longer detect cheaters properly because the cheat community kept giving it false positives and banning innocents

[@TENNOM]

i think having ID verification and higher standards for playtime, rank, steam account, etc in order to be an overwatch investigator could help

[@gabrielandy9272]

​@@TENNOM valve used to put pro player replays or false replays in the system where it already know the answer to test the user, and it should do that, valve should always craft replays internally with the teams, or use pro player replays and stuff, where it knows theres no cheating, if someone does mistake in this they lose acess to overwatch for doing false reports. and should take a year before they can join again.

[@TENNOM]

@@gabrielandy9272 ya they should bring that back