The CUT Stages of Super Smash Bros Ultimate

[@Odyssey_Central]

I had to slander olimar this video to make up for him ranking highly in the last smash video

[@Btdfan135]

Yooooo

[@GamerboyZun]

Only 10 seconds in but this is unacceptable ))):< take that back!!!111!!11!!!

[@spikethechespin3903]

Kinda surprised you didn't slander Rosalina lol

[@matthew_bowron]

:)

[@matthew_bowron]

0:07

[@zanmolecules4105]

The fact that rainbow road hasn’t returned but venom has is a crime in itself

[@UltimateInkling]

Same with pac maze and we got crappy pac-land....

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Nah, that Mario Bros. returned over Rainbow Road

[@zanmolecules4105]

@@SonicTheCutehog that mushroomy kingdom returned…

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@zanmolecules4105 It was in 3DS. Mario Bros. wasn't in either version of Smash 4, so they had to go out of their way to bring it back from Brawl.

[@zanmolecules4105]

@@SonicTheCutehog ah, I actually didn’t know Mario Bros wasn’t in smash 4

[@gebis8515]

I would say Poké Floats have several reasons to be cut. Firstly, it is not based on anything, which kinda hurts it. In fact, the whole floats thing was just added in the localisation, the Japanese name translates to "Pokémon Subspace". All the models are also ripped straight from Pokémon Stadium, so the only reason the stage exists is probably because some overworked intern dreamt up the image of reused assets drifting through the aether. The reuse also means that they would have to spend much more time on the remake, since standards for stage models have gone up, and standards for Pokémon models have gone down. Additionally. I don't think the developers look back very fondly upon the creation of the stage, viewing it as just another result of Melee's 13 month development. Pokéfloats rocks though and I'd love to see a spiritual successor appear EDIT: Perhaps Rainbow Road was also created through asset reuse, since the poor resolution of the 3DS would mask it? There are some differences, like removing ramps and making the road thicker, but they could easily have been made in like a day or two. If it was asset reuse, remaking it for Ultimate would take much longer than the time used to make the original.

[@nobodyyouexpected]

I also think that PokeFloats would have been difficult to update. The layout is entirely based on the Pokemon models from Stadium. However, many of these Pokemon have undergone small design changes both in their models and official artwork, which means the Pokemon dont match the original stage layout anymore. Additionally, the way the stage layout matched with the Pokemon models was pretty wonky to begin with. Even in the original version, a lot of Pokemon body parts dodnt have anx collision, which is kind of a no-go for stage design.

[@LucarioShirona]

I fully agree with this. This could be also likely been at the request from the Pokémon Company or even Sakurai himself of not wanting Poké Floats back due to it lack of any origin. If we were to have gotten Sprout Tower as originally intended, that stage probably have a higher chance in coming into Ultimate in comparison.

[@maddog197x]

It would have been cool to see a Poke Floats 2 with Pokemon from all 8 generations, but yeah, if they didn't want to remake the original, they definitely would not want to create a new one. Also imo 3DS Rainbow Road was probably cut in favor of porting MK8 Mario Circuit from the Wii U version. They have the exact same gimmick just with a different racetrack and the MK8 stage was likely easier to port over. Also MK8 is just slightly more unique since it has the anti-gravity feature, meaning more opportunities for platforms and Shy Guy racers are coming at you from literally all directions. But yeah, I would definitely love for Pac-Maze, Rainbow Road, and Poke Floats to all return.

[@BlinksAwakening]

I dunno if it would be that hard to recreate Pokefloats with current 3D models that would do more than suffice. Though honestly, I don't even see anything wrong with keeping the old Stadium models if they did bring it back, the less they look like real creatures, the better it works as a stage aesthetic instead.

[@funnynamedottxt]

Thanks for typing that all out so I didn’t have to. Though I will say, I’ve heard that it did take a very long time to develop, and I don’t think the devs thought it was worth it. Also, why would asset reuse matter? They would have to remake it regardless.

[@DraftyDaftyHubertOHare]

Rainbow Road and Pokéfloats being gone is still an international tragedy.

[@MaxBenns-t1g]

Like Waluigi, Paper Mario, SpongeBob, or Ashley not being in or the fact that we don't have another Sonic character

[@DraftyDaftyHubertOHare]

@@MaxBenns-t1g as much as I adore SpongeBob, surely you’re joking?

[@MaxBenns-t1g]

@@DraftyDaftyHubertOHare NO, SpongeBob has lots of game they could make a move set from, plus the first SpongeBob game was on Gameboy Color so he could be in.

[@emiibohello]

@@MaxBenns-t1g He couldn’t tho, Sakurai stated multiple times that a character must originate from a game to be in Smash.

[@paulakroy2635]

@@emiibohellolightening McQueen when

[@tikprpro03]

Something I never understood with Pictochat is why they didn't combine the drawings from 1 & 2 into a Pictochat X like with Flat Zone (they have the same layouts, but the drawing hazards are different between the 2)

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@amazingamber4706]

The one aspect that I wished was talked about regarding Sector Z is that it is the absolute largest stage in the game (large for Smash 64 standards). This really made it a unique experience to fight on and is the biggest difference between it and Corneria

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@awkwardsilence4427]

Seriously. It was one of my most favorite Smash 64 stages because of its side, and I _much_ prefer it over the much tinier Corneria version. The only issue I could potentially see is that there might be some characters (say Little Mac) that could quite clear the top of that one vertical wing when trying to escape from the engine side. But then they could easily add a permanent Arwing flying along in that area to act as a stepping stool of sorts for those characters.

[@Andycandyman24]

I'm yeah it is bigger but in my opinion that being it's only layout difference isn't enough to justify it not getting cut.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Pac-Land returning over Pac-Maze is the worst outcome

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@Its_bloon.yt2011]

@@gotyrase1753 just reported them :)

[@gotyrase1753]

@@Its_bloon.yt2011 He putted that comment in almost all comments, so I put this to people to know and do not fall in the scam

[@The_noise2018]

Wario land Stage it’s make me sad

[@Sompursone]

9:24 Gotta correct you on this, it’s actually Pictochat 2 with *different* features. While there are a few shared drawings between the two stages, they actually both mostly comprise of unique layouts that are exclusive to each version. That at least bumps it up to a C for me, though I think I’d prefer they give us a Pictochat X instead, with layouts from both like they did with the 2 Flat Zones. Edit: just checked to make sure I didn’t say something wrong, turns out they actually don’t share any layouts. Not only that, Pictochat 1 actually has 1 *more* layout than Pictochat 2 (not counting the background drawing in 2’s omega form). We’ve been gypped.

[@skapokonroll]

I was about to say! I have always prefered the original Pictochat to Pictochat 2 as the layouts felt a bit less intrusive

[@aefenry3065]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@stegsaurus]

I was going to say that I’m surprised they didn’t do “PictoChat X” that encompassed all designs into one stage. That makes sense with Flat Zone and would have made the older editions of those stages obsolete.

[@SmashFox92]

7:35 I think they removed it because one of the pokémons (Squirtle) that were in the stage ended up becoming a fighter, but they could simply exchange it for Wartortle that uses almost the same model or simply any other pokémon

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

Bit of a weak reason ngl.

[@SmashFox92]

@@Chaotic_Overlord Yeah i agree but it's the only thing that makes any sense to me

[@Wyatt_Brown]

I would think they'd update it so that the Pokemon have like woven/stitched together textures so that they look like actual floats rather than just giant floating Pokemon. So it'd be equivalent to the fact that Palutena has a statue of herself on a stage, or... some other example.

[@gameyfirebro9645]

Also multiple Pokémon of the same species can coexist. They're being dumb.

[@Wyatt_Brown]

@@gameyfirebro9645 I don't think that was really their reason anyway, it was just a janky quickly made stage that didn't actually represent anything from actual Pokemon games. Though they could of made it look nice, it'd be cool to have "Everyone is here!" and "Everywhere is here!" They weren't very far from doing that, but they did *a lot* already. "Everyone is Everywhere!"

[@FarekWad]

14:35 The reason the stage got cut is that it has dynamic rendering depending on where the characters are standing. Notice the floor "sinks in" where the characters stand. This wouldn't work in 8 player smash or stage morph without massive frame slowdowns. I think they should have just disabled that feature if the player count goes over 4 (or stage morph is on)

[@Dabomb1246]

Yeah they prob didn’t want to make any stage exceptions in ultimate. So any limitations would cause them to cut it.

[@jomaq9233]

@@Dabomb1246which is weird, because some stuff is still removed in the 8-player versions of stages in Ultimate

[@justarandompurplefox3243]

The loss of Pac Maze is extremely tragic considering it’s something so intrinsically connected to Pac-Man

[@epp678]

0:52 Planet Zebes 1:44 Sector Z 2:37 Meta Crystal 3:20 Mushroom Kingdom 4:29 Mute City 5:37 Icicle Mountain 6:38 Pokéfloats 7:40 Flat Zone 7:48 Goomba, Enzai, And Majora’s Mask 8:27 Rumble Falls 9:05 Flat Zone 2 9:22 Pictochat 9:44 Rainbow Road 10:44 Pac-Maze 12:24 Jungle Hijinx 13:17 Pyro Sphere 13:48 Wooly World 14:45 Orbital Gate Assault 15:40 Miiverse Extra Time Stamps 2:23 The Last Wish For Meta Crystal 3:30 🤓 3:40 🤓😵 5:05 He’s Goin Over That Cliff! 6:54 Death Stare! 8:34 Annoying Orange?! 10:33 Rainbow Road Playlist 11:26 Pac-Maze Is Lost Media! 16:05 Oh No. 16:22 MR. BEAST!

[@castform7]

I still can't believe Pac Maze didn't get in but Pac Land did. Like, between the awful autoscrolling MS Paint stage and the stage that's a reference to the thing that put Pac-Man on the map *and* was fun to play on, the choice should've been obvious.

[@cstick2664]

I have a theory on why Pokefloats may not have returned. In melee Pokefloats was only included because they essentially ran out of time. We know the original concept for the second Pokemon stage was Sprout Tower. And since this stage is just slightly improved models from Pokemon Stadium (the N64 game), which would be easier to produce than making an entire level from scratch, I think it's easy to infer this was a last second addition. This desperate reuse of assets to make SOMETHING in the time limit also explains why it's so weird. I wonder if Sakurai had some distaste for the stage because of this. Only including it because it was the only one that could be made in time and disliking its weird rushed nature.

[@aykrivwassup]

I disagree with your ranking on PictoChat. I think they should've gone the "Flat Zone X" route with the PictoChat stages. PictoChat was introduced in Brawl and got its sequel in Smash 4, so in my opinion, I think it would've been cool if they combined them into "PictoChat X" for Ultimate.

[@OmegaGlops]

7:50 Serious props for including the Trophy Tussle stages! They always unjustly get omitted in discussions about Melee's stages. I love those and I have fond memories of using Action Replay back in the day just to goof around on them outside of Event Mode. 😀 9:27 Brawl actually had some really cool bonus stages that I'd love to see return - the versus stages from the Subspace Emissary. For starters - the Shadow Samus stage looks *so cool!* The Ridley and Bowser stages were also great. Additionally, the Great Maze clone fights all take place on the same stage but with 31 different platform placement variations (kinda like the Wii Fit Studio), and it would have been a great and unique stage to have had available to choose from, as it doesn't have walk-offs like WFS does. As Subspace has such a unique and ethereal aesthetic, it would have been so cool to see it recreated in HD. Unrelated to the Subspace stages though, I'd honestly love to see every instalment's Battlefield and Final Destination available in a future game. Melee's Battlefield and Final Destination are just so iconic, it would be so awesome to play on them in the next game!

[@BobBob-wb2ld]

Similar note to seeing old Final Destinations, I would love to see Tabuu's stage return.

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

The wooly world stage was probably cut because of Yoshi's crafted world being worked on. Also, next "cut" thing should include unused things, as they were cut

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

@hiilikepizza3197 they gave yoshi a crafted world skin, I don't think they wanted to combine crafted and woolly world

[@thebluePumpking]

@HiILikePizza Shut up

[@randoncourter4923]

@HiILikePizza Alfonzo:

[@Superemie401]

14:46 Here’s a fun fact about this stage: If you choose this stage while pressing ZL or ZR while Fox and Falco *AREN’T* in the match, there would have a special Easter Egg with the Star Fox team. For some reasons, only Fox, Peppy, Falco and Slippy appear in the dialogues, which is very weird, because in the original mission, the Star Wolf Team, Beltino Toad (Slippy’s father) and Krystal also help Fox and the others. Actually, there’s no Wolfen in the stage.

[@BlinksAwakening]

You missed Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2

[@IcyDiamond]

They probably cut out Pokéfloats because they couldn’t find a way to give it Battlefield and Omega versions, maybe they could have had Ditto platforms for those?

[@dazcarrr]

could've used some of the flatter pokemon platforms like unown or onix for the stage with the other pokefloats in the background

[@aydenator27]

really, they couldve just made a generic grassy main platform with maybe some small clouds as other platforms, (or unown? 🤔) and just had the pokemon in the background. it would make it a pretty boring looking battlefield but it would be much better than not having the stage at all.

[@Knirfish]

Avalugg float? Maybe with it's head turned to the side or something idk

[@videogamesleague629]

Oh, I have an idea for Battlefield Poké Float. It would be a front facing Venusaur, with his head acting as the main stage, the flower as the top platform, and two leaves as the side platforms, and the other Pokémon float in the background. Then for the omega variance you Just make the flower and leaves part of the background, and you're done

[@jpreaux76]

A squirtle shell would be cool, too.

[@videogamesleague629]

@@jpreaux76 don't really know how to make the platforms, but yeah, It wouldn't be that bad

[@jordannimz5180]

I think it would be funny to have a Ditto in the shape of the platform! Just a purple blob with a little smiley face

[@TheGreatestTusk]

Avalugg as the omega form platform would be hilarious

[@videogamesleague629]

@@TheGreatestTusk Ok, that would be fun. Maybe in the Battlefield form the platforms could be bergmites!

[@cataquackwarlord5389]

I really liked Poke Floats, too. The various Pokemon floats added a unique aesthetic that set it apart from other sidescrolling stages.

[@simanolastname2399]

There's actually a cut stage in Ultimate (I think). The Sephiroth Challenge stage appears to be a little different than the regular version as far as I can tell

[@Liggliluff]

The Smash Wiki mentions nothing about it being different in that mode. It only states that very hard is played on the Ω form, otherwise it should be normal.

[@simanolastname2399]

@@Liggliluff Ahh, Omega form makes sense

[@EmperorPenguin1217]

I don't think so, that's just the omega form

[@noobmaster7035]

You actually forgot 2 stages: Mushroomy Kingdom’s 1-2 version, and the Black and White version of Dreamland GB

[@StratoCN]

Dream Land GB had a black & white version??? Ive played smash 3ds for years without seeing it... Oh it's just a trick that i never knew cool

[@jomaq9233]

I mean, I wouldn’t exactly consider the latter a different stage, because it literally functions exactly the same, but with different colours

[@ruymartins4669]

And duel zone from smash 64

[@spiderduderednblue]

The fact the rainbow road isn't in ultimate still confuses me, it would fit PERFECTLY also I'm glad I'm not the only one who is a fan of Meta Crystal (the metal mario stage)

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@davidvkimball]

Well done covering these cut stages. I think you're right about the redundancy factor playing into why most of these stages didn't have a return. I think the best explanation for why PokeFloats (Pokemon Subspace) didn't make a return was it was just a lazily created stage. Models from N64 Pokemon Stadium floating around is just... not the most cohesive stage experience out there. Especially compared to what was supposed to be on that slot originally: Sprout Tower.

[@raygun8308]

Me buying smash ultimate in 2019: "oh boy i cant wait to play on my favorite retro map from the 3ds, Rainbow Road!!"

[@Wooly4]

The Ridley from Other M isn’t even the same Ridley from Super Metroid (his Smash design), it’s a clone. They could have absolutely had Pyrosphere .

[@DraftyDaftyHubertOHare]

I genuinely love the MrBeast meme. It’s the first meme I’ve really enjoyed in years.

[@Novum228]

You forgot every Final Destination and Battlefield in the past games, they’re clearly different from the stages we have now!

[@PKBen1995]

I think the reason rainbow road didn't come over was because it was directly ripped from Mario kart 7, and they didn't want to remake the entire stage in HD just for ultimate. Of course, now that it's in the MK8D dlc, it has a good chance of returning in the future

[@snowyarticuno]

Mute City & Rainbow Road I suspect got cut because they would have taken more work. They clearly put a lot of lavish attention into updating all the old stages, but I think traveling stages, one from a 3DS game and one from a Gamecube game, required more work over all. The slight touch ups that the Wii U provided stages like Port Town Aero Dive at least had slightly more to work up from. If Tour (or 8DX's DLC) had been out, which gave the course refreshed visuals and geometry, they probably would have brought Rainbow Road 3DS back at least

[@DarKn1ght.]

14:17 I think it was cut because of crafted world being made during ultimates release and I still miss black yoshi because of the promotion. that’s the best reason I can think of

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@OgerponIsACutie]

The fact that we could have gotten a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage and it was replaced by Wooly World, which didn't even make a return bothers me so much. The Kirby stage also became The Great Cave Offensive which lots of people hate

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@duebfofn]

I highly agree, GCO is such a drag to play on, something from Kirby Return to Dreamland would've been a lot better.

[@bulusu1]

I have a question, what would you rate for mushroomy kingdom 1-2 to come back?

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@GoldenSandslash15]

If I had to guess, the reason Poké Floats was cut is because Squirtle is playable now. It’d look weird to have Squirtle fighting on Squirtle. It’s not a GOOD reason, but it’s probably what the developers were thinking. Similar to Ridley being on Pyrosphere. Surely Alfonzo could have replaced him…

[@maruigi1123]

Pac-Maze also might have been cut due to the ghosts now being an assist trophy, but that's just speculation

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

In the background of Green Hill zone, Knuckles can be seen in the background. His assist trophy is disabled on the stage. They could have been just disabled the ghost assist trophy.

[@Wyatt_Brown]

Yeah, they could just be disabled on that stage. It's kinda crazy to me that Pac-Man's only stage isn't maze related at all.

[@BitchChill]

@@ADudeWithAChannelThat’s so weird by the way. Would it really matter that Knuckles I’m the background while you also see him the foreground while two Sonics are fighting each other?

[@Sompursone]

The ghosts were already an assist trophy in Smash 3DS.

[@Raya-dv7pl]

That would be complicated in tv mode

[@uniformofsquids1718]

“Does brawl have any bonus stages? No? Moving on” All the boss arenas and stuff from subspace emissary: 👁👄👁

[@reynXIII]

7:20 I think the reason was the models of the 'mon. If I'm not mistaken, the models of the Pokémon are from Stadium (or one of the games in gc) and Let's Go released November 2018, si they didn't have the models. Now, why they couldn't use the 3ds models seeing as some of the stages from 3ds were ported over from SM4SH is beyond me

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@SorceressHalcy]

Have you done cut Bosses yet? Would have been cool to see a lot of the cut bosses return for Ultimate’s classic mode. *cough cough Rayquaza cough*

[@Novum228]

Rainbow Road was cut from Ultimate because of Mario Circuit. On top of that, 3DS Rainbow Road wasn’t in 8 Deluxe at the time. So basically, everything you said about Mute City and Port Town applies to Rainbow Road and Mario Circuit

[@duebfofn]

Mario Circuit feels so redundant, it's so similar to Figure 8 Circuit, but something unique like Rainbow Road gets cut.

[@Novum228]

@@duebfofnFigure 8 Circuit remains in one place while Mario Circuit is a traveling stage, just like Rainbow Road Plus, they kinda need to promote Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

[@duebfofn]

@@Novum228 I meant in aesthetic, lmao. But you're right, if anything, include all three, they're all iconic.

[@asafjuarez1]

@@duebfofnfr but Rainbow road’s gotta return in the next smash game

[@seemo5789]

You forgot Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2 from Brawl. I want that one back. I may be the only one, but *I want it back.*

[@Liggliluff]

(1:30) There are so many other similar stages, so having another based on Metroid would be fair to include

[@micahheyward5342]

5:17-5:37 I used to be cool with playing on Mute City SNES, but then I discovered you can actually fall through the road while playing. Because of that, it's my second least favorite stage in Smash Ultimate

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@tacobottle4217]

2:23 the whistle 💀 this channel is the best

[@BobBob-wb2ld]

Not you IGNORING Tabuu's stage in brawl. I want it back.

[@ShadowHawk180]

5:55 it’s also possible that Icicle Mountain was never particularly intended to be a stage but became one as a result of Melee’s rushed development. I heard recently that Ice Climbers have another unfinished stage in Melee’s files with an internal name that matches up with Ultimate’s internal name for Summit. It’s possible Summit was always meant to be the Ice Climber stage in Melee but they decided to take their Adventure Mode segment and make it a stage instead due to limited time, saving the Summit concept for Brawl. All of that to say that they may, in a way, see Summit as the superior version of Icicle Mountain similar to how they see Brinstar for Zebes and Corneria for Z, and thus they saw no reason to bring it back.

[@REXFORGT]

I love/hate vertical scroller-stages. On one hand they bring a lot more variety and longevity to the game, on the other hand they move too fast which can feel annoying and unfair at times. Make them slower and lengthen the time the stage stands still to make it less stressful. What I miss the most in ultimate are the scroller stages, mute city and the target practice gamemodes.

[@SaddieMoon]

I think the reason why rainbow Road and pac-maze were cut, because there wasn’t enough development time; so they went for the smash 4 equivalents, as porting them would be easier; cause smash 4 on Wii U is more like ultimate.

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

2:23 Hehe nice the Wolf Whistle from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. What are your thoughts on that movie if you’ve seen it?

[@Bryce_the_Woomy_Boi]

13:04 or they could make it so when it's transforming, you just get shot back to the front.

[@noahppinkrevail]

I was just thinking that!

[@ecstaticwooper368]

the death whistle during the metal mario joke was peak and reminded me why I watch your videos

[@comicking428]

I think Poke Floats and Wooly World were cut similarily either because of the awkward platform designs or because they both include vertical auto scrolling similar to Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls. As for Rainbow Road, I'm guessing since Mario Circuit from the Wii U had the same gimmick as this, they didn't feel like putting two Mario Kart stages that felt similar.

[@redtutel]

7:36 I think it was cut because it used the Pokémon Stadium models, and I don’t think they have access to those anymore Rainbow Road was cut for similar reasons I think

[@isaiahzabell1320]

The cut stage I want back the most is... Melee's Final Destination. Iconic and super nostalgic. Think of how hype that would be! (The new one really just isn't the same at all, imo) ...OK but actually it's probably Melee's Mute City. Also because nostalgia. But no one talks about Melee FD or Brawl FD or Melee Battlefield, and I think they're worth bringing up. With the new Battlefield and Omega modes, having cool or nostalgic backgrounds really makes a difference in my opinion.

[@StuffOfSonny]

It may already be mentioned, but Mushroomy Kingdom from Brawl has a secondary layout that was cut when it returned in 3DS, and it was not reintroduced in Ultimate. Also I unironically love Rumble Falls.

[@Fabian.J]

Dude I was so upset when 3DS Rainbow Road didn’t return. That was THE ONLY stage I was hoping for to come back. When I played Smash 3DS, I would always play that stage at least once.

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@shinyagumon7015]

I think a fun idea to bring Poké Floats back would be to base it on parade balloons like we see in the Detective Pikachu movie. Give the models a plastic like texture and change the background to a sunny sky.

[@imn_fauler6098]

I hate the fact that 3ds rainbow road was cut from ultimate but for some reason the music is in ultimate

[@Novum228]

Here’s my theory on why Woolly World was cut Yoshi’s Woolly World isn’t on the Nintendo Switch Although, that doesn’t explain why Golden Plains wasn’t cut even though NSMB2 isn’t on the Switch

[@DraftyDaftyHubertOHare]

They could’ve brought back one or 2 old stages per dlc fighter pack which would’ve been a great way to bring them back.

[@SceptyMakesMusicalMistakes]

There's no rainbow road. They left out the most iconic mario kart track. when they already made the stage. and it was based off of the best rainbow road. This is criminal

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@janisrivera229]

Ay yo I love that Mr. Beast meme great job man

[@SaddieMoon]

For Jungle Hijinx, they could’ve just had the bg fighters be instantly be put into barrels and launched back into the foreground before it transforms. Besides, they got 8-player smash to work for all levels so none would be unavailable, so I don’t think they won’t do the same with Jungle Hijinx. I think this is another case of the devs not having enough time, so it would be easier porting a different, simpler stage, instead of adding this small fix.

[@Liggliluff]

Or just have the background fall apart before the transformation, which is already a feature of the stage, as shown in the video.

[@SaddieMoon]

@@Liggliluff that could also work

[@SaddieMoon]

@@Liggliluff We still have to have a way for the fighters to get back on stage without unfairly KOing them; but still it’s a good idea.

[@starbeamed5356]

Main slogan of the next Smash Game: Every stage is here

[@Manataco]

I think odyssey ranking all the music discs would be perfect for his channel and bring Minecraft into his channel more

[@lunanote-cassettemeower]

video idea: cut enemies from Mario games. Enemies that only appeared in a few Mario games but haven’t appeared since, and what ones you’d love to see come back and what ones you don’t really care about

[@Baconator2558]

I think for Jungle Hijinx, they could've also just had the stage not morph until all of the players were on the same playing field. Alternatively, they could've gotten a bit more creative and have the main ground and background slide together right before morphing, or taken a bit of a lazier route and just move any players in the background into the main ground right before morphing, either through some cute contextualization like spawning an enemy or cannon that immediately moves them, or even just teleporting them with an effect.

[@gingerqueer22]

the stage transition feature is why the vertical scrolling stages were cut iirc; the main issue was that trying to reposition players during the transition was a mess. as for pokefloats, while the stage isn't actually a vertical scroller (as is commonly claimed) it was pretty obviously rushed in at the last minute. seriously, regardless of how much you like it, it is just pokemon models floating in a void. it's most likely that sakurai and co. simply didn't think it was worth bringing back.

[@Novum228]

11:46 the sad part is not even Super Smash Flash 2 thought of this

[@danielhawkins2402]

The Woolly World stage was made near the end of development of Smash for Wii U as a method of promotion for Yoshi's Woolly World since it was coming out a few months after Smash for Wii U.

[@Monkey1990100]

i dont get why at all those 3 s tier stages were cut from this game. because with the rainbow road stage they could have done something similar to the mario circuit stage, with the pokemon stage they could have just used different pokemon or replace some of them and with the pac man stage they could have just put in the game.

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral..SCAMMER

[@genericwhitekidthesecond4330]

Pokefloats was cut probably because it was a rushed stage to begin with. In Smash Melee there were supposed to be two brand new Pokémon stages however one of them went bad in development so at the last minute they said "okay let's just have Pokémon fly around and you fight on them" Smash Melee ran on the same game engine as Pokémon Snap so they quickly ported the models over just to make a stage quickly. It probably isn't in Ultimate for that reason + they would've had to create all the Pokémon models from scratch.

[@scorpionsapprentice3248]

i like how 64's mushroom kingdom was chosen over melee however there was no need to nerf the pipes when the stage is banned.

[@MarkH]

My assumption for Rainbow Road and Mute City being cut was always that they were direct ports from their source games, and it would be too much work to upgrade assets from N64 and 3DS games for a moving stage

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@PopplioDoesPokemon]

For the pokefloats cut stage, the battlefield and omega forms should be unowns spelling out battlefield and omega

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

Sector Z was interesting because of its massive size. It’s way bigger than Corneria, so it would have worked well with 8 players and such.

[@guestdeluxe5674]

For some reason they put isabella over waluigi why

[@varietychan]

13:05, and idea I have is maybe push all the players into the foreground or a giant cannon to spawn, an once everyone is blasted to the foreground, then morph

[@awkwardsilence4427]

Sector Z is better than Corneria because it’s a good bit bigger and thus feels more like you’re _actually_ fighting in the Great Fox. It’s so small in the Corneria version that it doesn’t feel like that at all unless you only have like Bowser and Ridley fighting as then you can just imagine them being closer to their canonical size.

[@maxbetatron]

Sector Z is way larger than the others. That's why I miss it

[@YoshWilbur]

I cry myself to sleep because I can't play on Flat Zone 2 in Ultimate,

[@chrisa.2323]

The best part about the Miiverse stage was that it spoiled star wars episode 7

[@CraftBros890]

What was that awkward silence after the miiverse part wad that intended lol. Anyway this was a great vid rho and I agree with all your picks I want pokefloats to come back the most since its such a fun and goofy stage. Anyway great vid and keep up the good work👍

[@elmothegudava1222]

8:34 I was not expecting that!😂

[@gotyrase1753]

Also we can say that the different versions of battlefield and final destination of Melee, Brawl and wii u/3ds are cut stages, also the 8 players of wii u battlefield is a cut stage

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral. OMG you think that i am stupid, you are a false account seriously you are a fucking stupid person, GO F3CK YOURSELF

[@twilightvolt]

Ok, don't quote me on this, but i BELIEVE Rainbow Road was cut because it's literally the legit track from Mario Kart 7, assets and all, ported to Smash Bros. 3DS and made into a stage. since it was on the same system, it was easy. but i think trying to remake it for Ultimate would probably take way more time than they had. there was SOMETHING that stopped them from just doing a full on remake of it for Ultimate like the rest of the stages, but that's just what i heard over the years.

[@Sabcy2]

They should just add sector Z as an alternate background for corneria.

[@NotlM]

Here's a bonus cut stage from Brawl that you missed: the World 1-2 variant of Mushroomy Kingdom. Since the 1-1 version is in Ultimate though, I guess we can just call this half of a cut stage.

[@tomnuke9122]

Was about to say this.

[@Dontannoyme34894]

Hey can you talk about what kind of mii fighter variants you would add? Mine would be a heavyweight and animal types

[@Glasshouse828]

Brawl has no bonus stages? What about the non-scrolling stages in subspace emissary?

[@mariaandreinaaranareggeti9239]

13:42 could act like Nabbit in Nsmbu where if you are playing as Ridley, then Ridley would not appear as the boss. However if you and your opponents are not Ridley, then Ridley could spawn as the boss

[@edmpunkfire7793]

I think PokeFloats was cut because the Pokemon, Squirtle and Venusaur, are kind of fighters in the game. Squirtle is, but for Venusaur, Ivysaur, it’s pre-evolved form, is one, so yeah

[@Gnarfledarf]

One cut stage not featured in this video is the 1-2 part of Mushroomy Kingdom. It has not appeared in any game after Brawl.

[@flying7900]

a way the background mechanic could work with stage morph is forcing you out of it right when its about to morph so everyone is in the foreground, who ever is in the background falls to their death

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@elkarlo1593]

PictoChat does have a good reason to come back despite PictoChat 2 existing, and it is that both stages hold a completely different set of drawings wich are very unique from each other, so if they won't make a PictoChat X or something, they should bring both stages back Also Flat Zone has the advantage of being only the one screen with more stuff going on than any other Flat Zone X screen that makes it justifiable to be its own stage, but it is not that necessary or even wanted

[@gotyrase1753]

@OdysseyCentral.SCAMMER

[@mispinchergamings3470]

15:05 miss it

[@zombieprobro7616]

I feel like pyrosphere should’ve stayed. It could of been fun without Ridley.

[@alessandroturelli3352]

Jungle Hijinxs could be worked around simply by making all charachters in the background get launched by a randomly appearing barrel as well the second the stage morphs honestly, wouldn't look great but easy solution. It's so unique it's really sad it got cut. Completely agree with the list btw, but my guess is some of the strangest cuts like Woolly World happened simply because of time constraints. For Sector Z make it an alternate skin of corneria like Mushroomy Kingdom could work as well, no need to be its own separate stage. Hell, change the name of the stage to "Great Fox", and simply make it change randomly between all the various levels of StarFox 64, that would be cool

[@jayblizzyyyyy]

Orbital gate assault would have been such a GLORIOUS stage to play on ultimate. Too bad it took so long to make in wii u...