The Cynefin Framework

[@cbebutuoy]

I've watched this damn video three or four dozen times. It's not that I see or learn something different each time I watch it. I don't. I use it to introduce complexity and systems ideas to adult learners. The basic message is straightforward and engagingly presented. This week, I'm in the midst of falling off the simple cliff into chaos. I remembered the guidance to quickly stabilize the situation. That took a few days. The situation is not quite stable, but it's getting there. It's stable enough for me to get back on youtube and watch this damn video yet one more time. When the student is ready, the teacher appears. This time, I watched it with the eyes and mind of an in-process experience. I saw - maybe I should say I understood - something different this time - several "something differents". The specifics of what I understood differently are not especially relevant. That's unique to my situation. But it is linked to "It's the place of your multiple belongings.... You're rooted in many different paths which profoundly influence what you are, but of which you can only be partially aware." Chaos can expand awareness of the many different paths. I don't recommend falling off the cliff. But it happens. I love this damn video.

[@0724861]

Love how he mixed cause/effect relationships and Windows papyrus font

[@aashishaashish]

haha

[@miciamiaomiao]

had to watch it three times to grasp the meaning, actually it makes very much sense and it's a huge improvement compared to traditional management consulting tools. thanks for explaining so well!

[@stephaniebarriga3515]

Wagnerdery has an easier explanation if you want to give it a shot

[@thomasj7506]

I paused regularly and took notes. Made perfect sense at the end :) I don't know why this isn't taught in grade school. this is a must have life skill for everyone.

[@jtompl]

Respect, unfortunately I couldn't do it. I gave up.

[@jonathancarter673]

The biggest aha moment I had when I went on the course was his description of the relationship between simplistic - complicated and simple - complex. Would love to see that again with new examples.

[@jfraserm]

This is so great. Making us a tool to be more effective at understanding the dynamics of nature. And how those dynamics relate to our world of interactions. Then in the long term we can turn our attention to the things we are trying to optimise for.

[@kapil.jaiswal.24]

It's a valuable contribution to the Agile community. Brilliant work Dave!

[@ThierryHubert]

Dave, I think that you are right on, and to find you again after so many years after IBM to discover that your observations are aligned with my work is very encouraging. Thanks again for a great KM World keynote presentation... the best one I have seen in all my years with KM.

[@baloog8]

This guy is so smart, he is almost bored by his own grand understanding of this. He can't even muster enough effort to explain formally anymore. "basically you'll start to piss people off" lol

[@michaelandrew4812]

lol comment of the day

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

The problem is if a simple category actually exists than you dont need any of the other categories. An immune system is not simple only because of human perception, this its simple but lost on anyone who is purely machiavellian and indifferent to the fact that they are actually treatable pathology or entitled to leave a system that uses witnesses to asses what agents are adapting to life systems. You can only measure anything against a distortion this is why machines are deterministic because all computers are external brains Another working metaphor for this applicable to all mechanistic metaphors, or an evolving universal cartography of disorder- is anyone naive enough to create deep fakes forgets that they cannot delete them from their own brain-, creating an alert system- that broadcasts delusional individuals in the general population. AI does not need to see you to know who you are/cameras use more energy than an internal system, a #PassiveWaveSensors system is never too close or too far away (what 'conflicts' are: being too close being too far away or non existent) but also nothing anyone could ever be doing is wrong as long as no one is in danger or about to be harmed It is possible that mirror symmetry defects from vacuum interactions created a remote viewing system for recovery of the observer using water, which is older than the sun, that once used to be dinosaur pee Every glass of water you have ever had was once dinosaur pee as one facet of the immune systems that all individuals use to navigate mirror distortion with 3D as a storage system for the four dimensional world as it runs backwards prescribing these defects to space to bend light so that a mirror is formed against the observers original internal system.

[@mjp152]

@@quantumfineartsandfossils2152 What the hell are you talking about? Pretty sure that rant is not Turing complete...

[@thegoodthebadandtheugly579]

Well, the dude is quite rich, doing this almost for fun (although probably paying his daily bills with this bullshit).. so you can kind of understand him..

[@tuckerbugeater]

I've heard no one speak like him. He's also connected to something called "game b". The secular boomers are making their last stand to screw up their children's lives. @@thegoodthebadandtheugly579

[@johnmasson1065]

The Cynefin Framework I see can be applied in many situations and is a fresh approach in our current Covid environment.

[@DavidShaw-tx3ki]

Brilliantly presented, clear articulation of principles with key insights

[@madmanzila]

I am very interested in seeing some more on the topic, Very nice presentation. Dave has lost at least 20 kgs since and is allot more lively in his presentations. I'm under the suspicion this sensemaking framework concept applies inwards as well as outward.

[@grahamleather2498]

As a Chemical Eng graduate, this model reminds me in some ways of the fluid flow states and equations, laminar flow (simple) through to chaotic (turbulent). The boundary conditions between each state are largely unpredictable, depending upon many (including unknown or even unknowable) interactions of all sizes.

[@toni-annemunn3265]

I personally think this is a great overview of a very complicated topic. I’m not sure what some of these other viewers were looking for? And those talking about the videography...I think your attention was on the wrong thing....

[@ltrinhmuseum]

I am personally looking to become more effective and reach my goals. Now, the situations that I will face and the challenges I'll have to overcome can be complex, complicated, simple and sometimes chaotic and that's why I seek out this video. There is a lot of incredible knowledge.

[@edgarortegon5687]

Excellent presentation. Very useful for understanding the frontiers among four basic domains in complexity theory.

[@user-on1sm3qj1y]

Thanks for the insightful points. Maybe more clarification on why simple systems are highly vulnerable to rapid or accelerated changes into chaotic systems?

[@hojkoff]

Absolutely brilliant! Clear and to the point. Very helpful. Thanks again

[@bretwalder]

I worked at Nokia 2007 to 2014 and lives through and observed a cliff edge event as described here. ;)

[@alinasiegfried3356]

This is an interesting introduction but would be a hundred times more useful if he used a few simple examples of each.

[@amitavamitra6407]

Let me try. Simple - Example: Cooking - where you put the same ingredient same process, you get the same outcome. Yes, I know, despite all the drama in a Reality TV show, that's how it is. In other words system with closed boundaries. Another example you have some input and that produces some output where the input has a direct correlation to the output. This is pretty much the cause and effect or linear world that we like to control with Best Practices. Complicated - Rocket or Shuttle mission, where multidisciplinary topics or subjects are put to test in a controlled environment and well, if you got experts, right conditions, you are there to see the desired outcome. In fact, our evolving understanding turns to experts, scientists for what we refer to as good practice that we arrive with our experience, sensing then analysis to provide a response. Complex - This is where life, nature, the universe becomes more exciting and interesting. I have seen one example during my Masters in this domain, which I liked, so you have to excuse me for my preference here. They say, bringing up a child is a complex dimension. Consider this, you can provide exactly the same input, education, environment, and even genetics i.e. nature and nurture, yet you might get completely different outcomes. This is where emergent practices appear, which is why leaders who are successful, generally probe, and make a sense out of it before they respond. We can say, this domain creates most of our hindsight as in life which can be lived forward but can be understood backward :). Ok, that was a bit of cliche. Lots of research and work has been done in this area on CAS or Complex Adaptive Systems which aims to understand the complexity and the agents, environments, and their relationships. The economy is a good example of a Complex domain. Chaos - I guess very easy to understand if you consider movies like Dantes Peak - Volcanic Eruption, or a Blast / Explosion, War, Wildfire etc.etc. You manage the situation by first acting :), which for me is to running away from it and then sensing to provide a response. A Social Crisis, Covid-19 are good examples, don't you think? I mentioned the word Universe because we are leading towards chaos where Entropy is ever rising, given that understanding the world, our environment would lead to edge of chaos, which means that our understanding of it becomes ever more important. The HBR paper link is here for more scholastic input. hbr.org/2007/11/a-leaders-framework-for-decision-making Take care and be safe and healthy..

[@LDRCoach]

@@amitavamitra6407 I think COVID-19 is a good case study for the Complex domain. Think of all of the patterns we can now recognize in terms of viral spread and our responses. Initially, we probed with many different responses. Now, we understand that wearing two masks, social distancing, and handwashing are extremely effective in minimizing the spread.

[@amitavamitra6407]

​@@LDRCoach Yes, absolutely correct. It also explains ESIC or Extreme sensitivity to Initial Conditions. According to this framework, we have seen and experienced how Chaos or Edge of Chaos is managed by act-sense and respond strategy which explains the lockdowns in extreme conditions.

[@insidiousmaximus]

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[@precymenor5258]

@@amitavamitra6407 hello how about a fax machine. That somewhat consistent abd costy but on third time machine sent documents but it had not.

[@pr4442]

Beautifully explained. Thank you.

[@7april61]

Excellent insight, clearly and authentically articulated.

[@SannerDM]

Best video on the Cynefin Framework I have seen yet!

[@DancingSpiderman]

Kevin Cynevin Holy Moly. this is some incredibly useful concepts. I GOTTA learn this.

[@DancingSpiderman]

this guy reminds of The Brain from Pinky And The Brain. Kids, drop yer socks and listen to Droopy here. You're about to learn Something.

[@geoffwilcox7856]

some examples of what you were trying to teach would have been awesome

[@0nelight19-SaveSoil]

The music remembers me on the Game "Age of Empiries" 😂 this stuff fits easier in your brain with the music and the papyrus font

[@Flave2012]

That was amazing. Grateful!

[@LD-wf2yt]

I would like to suggest a new addition or awaraness or importance of a dysfunctional environment, although the "cliff" would be a good starting point. In my experience the "cliff" is the difference between an irrational vs rational workplace. If a workplace is irrational (a place of myriad cuts/problems) it feels like listening to your favourite song being chopped down to smaller pieces, shuffled, and then played.

[@WilsonMar1]

[5:40] "The danger is if you spend 2 or 3 years of your life in a purely bureaucratic process-based grill, you'll see all problems as a failure of process"

[@mikloskallo9046]

I'd say you only learn a little on the actual Cynefin Framework from this video, but it is another example of Dave Snowden's generally condescending presentation style. I have just watched a webinar on Cynefin and he still talks as if everyone in the audience were brain dead.

[@shahadalalmaee4908]

very good explanation. thank you! helped a lot

[@driftviews]

I teach this, and generally speaking, it gets a two-thumbs-up signal from me. However, one thing I don't quite get is why a pseudo-quadrant has been chosen to lay out the diagram, bringing with it the cliff 6:39. Why not a series of 4 things in a line of increasingly complexity?

[@psionic6433]

my question is: how do you avoid conflating issues of metacognition with informative-narrative of ritualized dissent?

[@simonlee8889]

yeah, I can hardly sleep at night...

[@northernmagi]

wat

[@ravikanthakupatni]

Awesome video

[@SyamsulArifinK3LH]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏻

[@mariagauthier1327]

Love this!!

[@syahrulanuar]

This ties nicely with VUCA.

[@imegatrone]

Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You Framework is central to Cognitive Edge methods and tools. It allows executives to see things from new viewpoints, assimilate complex concepts, and address real-world problems and opportunities

[@piercegordon1]

Can you explain what exactly you mean by this question? I'm interested in what you're talking about.

[@ANTIMONcom]

noen som er her på grunn av PU? super cool

[@bronxnewbie]

Spot on Mate!!!

[@ulrikajonson]

Apply best practice - good practice - brilliant!

[@ryanm8651]

CGSC 2023!

[@thewiseturtle]

I'm guessing that these four categories map onto the natural personality trait responses of all mammals, fight, flight, freeze, and flow. Simple = fight, complicated = flight, complex = freeze, and chaotic = flow. Fight type brains tend to respond by trying to control everything. Flight types tend to respond by being overwhelmed and looking for protection (external authority). Freeze types tend to respond by observation, and patience, waiting for a better opportunity to appear. Flow types just go with it, and happily interact in whatever way is effective for the current current. :-)

[@CelticCargoCult]

Brilliant. Thanks for posting.

[@kmchughTube]

Memories

[@joshdelozier5341]

Do you know someone who can do this type of analysis for a problem that has taken years I have several thousand dollars

[@mhwentink]

This is a good video ... for sleep training.

[@qq1648]

This framework is relatively difficult to apply or use, it is about communication but is not communicated all that well. It uses words like model, systems theory, and other jargon that makes it sound very intuitive. I could not find any real third party studies showing that it is effective empirically. I would prefer a framework that does not drip with odd sounding jargon. In example the Cynefin framework could be described like other problem solving fameworks. The papyrus font does not help, it is almost as bad as using comic sans. Change the font, remove the jargon, give quality third party sources, and you might have something.

[@kuyoh6113]

Grüße an Komus Abi

[@satyhamurthysubramaniam8024]

Explain with examples.

[@ferozeahmedj3500]

For simple, I'd say baking a cake. I know the resources (inputs) which are needed to bake the cake and I very well know what the output is gonna, which is a cake. For Complicated, consider a vegetable garden. You have good quality soil, you add all fertilizers and suddenly you have a drought. That is not under your control. You may think you'll have a successful garden but you did not see that drought coming your way. Adding one more level of confusion to Complicated will gove us Complex. A good example would be elections. So many factors are considered here. The ruling party loses even after doing good during its tenure. And finally we have Chaos. This is where you have no control or almost little control over things. Floods and other natural disasters are examples of Chaos.

[@hraphael101]

@@ferozeahmedj3500 Thank you!

[@Theembodimentchannel]

great model, thank you

[@tukansrukan1]

Everything good... But why is the cook telling about it?

[@zver5738]

Are Cognitive Edge read this discussions? I have some ideas regarding Cynefin framework. Whom can I talking with?

[@TeddyZetterlund]

Ярослав Рашевски Dave Snowden (the originator) is very active on Twitter.

[@zver5738]

Thank you Teddy. I recognize it already. Happy new year :-)

[@auronoxe]

The Oxford Dictionary says: Disorder is a synonym (!) for chaos. So distinguishing between those two does not make really sense to me. Or in other words: the chosen words "chaotic" and "disorder" do not fit the meaning of those areas in the model well, based on the definition of their meaning in English language. "Disorder" here means as far as I understand something like "unknown" or "unspecified".

quite 'simple' explanation to digest (:

[@aditsaxena1685]

Thank you

[@rogermoody2660]

It’s non linearity! What about abstraction too!

[@franciscopires4829]

Awesome !

[@tuckerbugeater]

this is the Canadian framework pronounced Ken Levin for those of you who don't speak Welsh

[@JohnMartin-jx1wz]

Kind of like heuristics but different

[@amralaasaleh]

The forgotten Einstein of Ireland ! Genius

[@bramhdev1675]

Awesome,

[@ivanbarbosa81]

smart

[@thecynefincompany]

Updated one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZjXoat3a8elfdE

[@suddenwikholm668]

This has not been used by governments responding to covid-19.

[@scorber23]

but can it allow you access to TRAVERSABLE WORMHOLES?

[@davidjacobo3264]

The deep shadow on the right part of the face is bothering me too much. they should have put a reflector at least! (stupid photography knowledge).

[@spastikxchild13]

what do you expect when they use papyrus as the typeface for the video....AND THE LOGO

[@TCH6169]

It's just a shiny new spin on the same old D.B.T. training.. I was hopeful but it's all old news ... How disappointed I am .... (;

[@MS-ye9tg]

I'm stupid, but I became more stupid watching this

[@pico8415]

Grüsse an Pablo

[@majedahmed5410]

you talk about it .....! but not off it ...! can you make it simple where 6 year old understand it ....! can you get to the essence of it ...Core of it ...!

[@evansg4]

Look for Snowden's birthday party story as one way of explaining more simply or Jennifer Garvey Berger's video about Cynefin..

[@taykay47]

Shout out eagle flight 21-v4

[@zivppo]

maybe this is very smart, but it is making me feel stupid!!

[@Flummingbird]

this fucking music is too much.

[@jenevong9240]

At the end of all this: you die and turn into shit…and nothing more…

[@fareed1983]

Complete BS!

[@lckt13]

typically academic without the tweedy sportscoat and Prius