"The Dark History of Bungie Ft. Marty O' Donnell" | Aztecross Reacts

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@AztecrossGaming
@AztecrossGaming 4 ай бұрын
*Just want to say that I do believe Bungie is a different company than when Marty worked there. However, it’s interesting to hear the his history there.*
@glitchin1233
@glitchin1233 4 ай бұрын
I mean you say that... but this guy is literally saying "Oh yea this is the same Microsoft/Bungie that I worked with"
@judgementkazzy7172
@judgementkazzy7172 4 ай бұрын
​@glitchin1233 only watched for 10 minutes before commenting didn't ya?
@glitchin1233
@glitchin1233 4 ай бұрын
@judgementkazzy7172 no? I watched the whole thing and commented?
@eg5909
@eg5909 4 ай бұрын
it is different. they lost their soul bargaining with devils. Its really simple what happened, in the beginning they made games they wanted to make because they had passion and loved what they were doing. As a result it was successful and made tons of money. Later on they wanted to make a ton of money so they made games. Now its in flames. Its really sad tho because ppl want to play destiny and even halo still, but the higher ups ruined everything with their lack of understanding.
@glitchin1233
@glitchin1233 4 ай бұрын
@eg5909 I think the higher ups understood very well... I don't think any part of what happened to Bungie wasn't planned in some way. The higher ups wanted a big pay day, the easiest way to that big pay day was having a huge corporation buyout there stocks, and they found there mark in Sony... it is sad though cuz I really feel like the ground level employees were confident that there jobs were secure when the Final Shape rolled out to praise...
@alcozar5905
@alcozar5905 4 ай бұрын
There’s a pattern of the last 10 years at Bungie, of utter mismanagement . From Destiny 1 fckery, to the mangled birth of Destiny 2.
@liquidrufus
@liquidrufus 4 ай бұрын
@@alcozar5905 it's been around for longer since h2 I'd say
@Tyrant5RDFL
@Tyrant5RDFL 4 ай бұрын
Man was the launch of D2 a disaster!!! Holy eff what they did was beyond stupid.
@Carweizer
@Carweizer 4 ай бұрын
It's quite sad to think that after H:CA Bungie was never the same, as it became business and a money grab for the MS employee that were embedded into Bungie.
@XBullitt16X
@XBullitt16X 4 ай бұрын
Yes, they've been a mess since D1 release, its bloody damn miracle they've been able to get as far as they have.
@johncrichton8876
@johncrichton8876 4 ай бұрын
It's not mismanagement, from the perspective of the ceo and shareholders it's not a video game company its an investment vehicle. They are trying to liquidate the company and keep as much money for the themselves as possible. All the incubation projects were to generate investment artificially boosting the stock so they could get their money and run. It's the American way.
@Andersonairchris
@Andersonairchris 4 ай бұрын
I watched this whole thing last week. If you read between the lines it tells you all you need to know about the issues at bungie. I'm glad he won his lawsuit
@cerebralassassin2185
@cerebralassassin2185 4 ай бұрын
It felt like he invertedly says pete parsons is a problem
@Scarecr0wn
@Scarecr0wn 4 ай бұрын
@@cerebralassassin2185 He said much more but yes, Pete is absolutely one of the main problems.
@akariel123
@akariel123 4 ай бұрын
He then immediately violated the terms of said lawsuit by leaking the Music Of the Spheres and had to pay back everything he won. The guy is grade a moron.
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
​@cerebralassassin2185 My only disagreement with that opinion is that it seems to hinge too much on only Pete. This problem almost certain affects the whole of Bungie's leadership and it is just Marty's history at the top echoleon of that leadership that leads him to say Pete in "specific"
@rickyfrancis9711
@rickyfrancis9711 4 ай бұрын
Facts I felt the same ppl need to watch this and wake up
@dmholman
@dmholman 4 ай бұрын
As an engineer and someone who worked in a corporate environment, what he is saying rings true. When companies begin to bring management and executives in from the outside (especially those from outside the industry you are in) it can be like a poison to the company's cultural body. And from what I've seen, once that happens it's almost always the original culture that is warped and gone forever. I remember when it first started happening at the company I worked for which was family owned and operated for over a hundred years. Once those people get into positions of power - especially hiring power - it's a done deal because they have the power to impose and mold the culture.
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 4 ай бұрын
There are two individuals and their army of lawyers who are responsible for all of this; Everyone else is either a victim or going along with it because they're afraid they'll be fired too if they don't fall in line. Meanwhile, the creator of Bungie, Jason Jones has turned into a complete shut in and doesn't do anything except sit on the board and nod to the CEO's decisions these days, completely disillusioned, doesn't care anymore for anything aside Destiny 2's meta story, I think he is only kept around just so no one has to think long on ideas for each content drop they come up with every 4 months. With that said, Marty was at the centre of a lot of drama at Bungie over the years, he pushed hard for their independence from Microsoft, didn't like them crawling into bed with Activision immediately after either. This attitude divided the leadership of the company which pitted two sides of the company against each other and the side which agreed with Marty were all forced to leave.
@TheAutumnNetwork
@TheAutumnNetwork 4 ай бұрын
Yup Marty was a true Bungie guy and bled Bungie and wanted it to succeed without the suits. I remember reading the stuff he would be apart of in the old Official Xbox Mags(OXM). Got nothing but respect for the guy.
@NinaFaenation
@NinaFaenation 4 ай бұрын
Jason Jones is a literal old head of a completely different era of gaming and especially different era of the company. I don't understand the expectation of him being infinitely more involved when practically in any industry of any company, somebody at that status and tenure isn't going to be super hands on. I also wouldn't even be shocked if Jones kinda hated the direction Destiny eventually went towards with completely demystified because his signature with his earlier games was often simple enough metaphors and philosophical concepts intertwined with fantasy, mythology, and other references. But then again that goes to my original point, his involvement is more likely to be pretty light and it doesn't entirely matter what he does or doesn't do.
@ionic_archangel2655
@ionic_archangel2655 4 ай бұрын
So he tried to keep bungie clean business but all the suits waltz or bought there way in cleaned everyone that didn’t back them out and then ran bungie into ground.
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 4 ай бұрын
@@ionic_archangel2655 Yeah pretty much, he is convinced he and others were let go to avoid having their stakes in the company being solidified, giving them a right to vote on decisions and denying them their percentage payout from the Destiny sales. However, at the end of the day Marty got his money anyway when Sony purchased his shares. He has no stakes or ownership in Bungie anymore.
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 4 ай бұрын
@@ionic_archangel2655 Well by suits it is just two people, both of whom were never OG Bungie company heads, one of whom was brought onboard from Microsoft as the company was going independent, one works in middle management and the other is in charge, he wasn't in charge till after Marty left though. What is weird is he retroactively got wiki to list him as CEO since 2004, which is untrue. Bungie never had a CEO from 2001 to 2008, but a series of CFOs who reported to a go between for them and Microsoft, a role which Marty himself filled during the Halo ODST/3 era. So, if that doesn't speak volumes I don't know what does. Again, never trust the internet it is full of lies. The Current CEO has only been in charge since 2015, before that he was head of marketing briefly then before that was the liaison between Microsoft and Bungie for 2 years. Destiny 2 exists purely so the guy could add a season pass to Destiny and fill the game with predatory microtransactions. The first game didn't have that.
@random75491
@random75491 4 ай бұрын
Destiny would have literally been the best game of all time. The core Bungie people that made Halo so great were shafted. It shouldn't be a secret now why Destiny has stumbled so much from the beginning.
@embelished_meister500
@embelished_meister500 4 ай бұрын
Destiny has so much potential, and it just gets squandered every time.
@OutOfWards
@OutOfWards 4 ай бұрын
Yep, a stolen dream.
@balinfoley953
@balinfoley953 4 ай бұрын
@@embelished_meister500apart from the last 10 successful years.
@EvanC8
@EvanC8 4 ай бұрын
@@embelished_meister500 correct
@EvanC8
@EvanC8 4 ай бұрын
@@balinfoley953 it could have been alot better and it’s not so successful when they say they had to sell me the company would have went under. This was said by bungie
@Yash-c3v
@Yash-c3v 4 ай бұрын
Destiny 2 was a business decision. Sunsetting was a bisiness decision. RNG is a business decision. Eververse and all the shitty engrams is a business decision. No shade on the voice actor for eververse! Drip feeding the season for 10 years is a business decision.
@EchoDoctrine
@EchoDoctrine 4 ай бұрын
That’s A LOT of bad business decisions
@SpottedHares
@SpottedHares 4 ай бұрын
RNG is a business decision in a looter?
@TheRico725
@TheRico725 4 ай бұрын
​@@SpottedHares yes, since THEY code the rng.
@The_Ragequit_Cannon
@The_Ragequit_Cannon 4 ай бұрын
​@@TheRico725Looter shooters live and die by the collecting of loot. If everybody got everything within weeks or days of any content drop becoming available, these kinds of games would die out faster than the "Deez nuts" meme. So of course a certain degree of RNG is expected in Destiny. Although I won't argue against them needing to ease up on it a little
@cerebralassassin2185
@cerebralassassin2185 4 ай бұрын
RNG isn't bad tho. It's literally a looter shooter
@christianbrown635
@christianbrown635 4 ай бұрын
Just watched this, you may not agree with Marty but it’s crazy how the destiny community treats him like a villain and never contributed anything especially music wise
@thenedsmmachannel8970
@thenedsmmachannel8970 4 ай бұрын
Byf dismissing like he did on that last video was low
@shadow9743
@shadow9743 4 ай бұрын
​@@thenedsmmachannel8970 byf knew exactly what he was doing
@parkerreidy1211
@parkerreidy1211 4 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why there is any hate towards Marty. From everything I’ve read/heard/seen, he didn’t do anything to justify the hate, especially the weird shot from Byf
@Muppet567
@Muppet567 4 ай бұрын
I don't think people think he didn't contribute anything. He's just a dick and people don't like him for that.
@dezman311
@dezman311 4 ай бұрын
@@thenedsmmachannel8970he became a very strange person. Iirc it was apart of why he was laid off a while back.
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
All I gotta say is Joker has been saying this for a long time. He even has uaed the Marty situation as a great lesson to learn from. Honestly this gaming community has been a wild for the amount of just pure dismiss of information. Even wilder to see how much of a wild ride Bungie's had since its inception.
@grzegorzflorek5623
@grzegorzflorek5623 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, he's quite an a** sometimes, but he's usually right.
@TJM990
@TJM990 4 ай бұрын
I'm still holding out on his monster sized diatribe on Bungie history being possibly more rotten than juuust MS.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
Joker is a liar lol
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Ah so you're a troll.
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Prove it
@frowy1
@frowy1 4 ай бұрын
This really highlights how little we on the outside actually ever know about what's happening inside any game company, even if we believe we are informed, knowledgeable, and deep into the gamng culture. We rarely ever have a clue in fact.
@diblit007
@diblit007 4 ай бұрын
Mike Salvatori and Marty o' Donnell had a music composing company together in Chicago, they did commercials and all kinds of other musical projects and games and such, they worked on myst and marathon and halo, and every game together up until Marty left. At some point their company was either merged or purchased by bungie/mircrosft (I'm not sure) but it was always "Marty o Donnell and Mike Salvatori"
@BillyGoatBoy
@BillyGoatBoy 4 ай бұрын
Cross doing he’s best xqc impression here
@adarkwind4712
@adarkwind4712 4 ай бұрын
Xqc?
@txl420
@txl420 4 ай бұрын
@@adarkwind4712 xq c deez nuts
@salty_-ashh
@salty_-ashh 4 ай бұрын
​@@adarkwind4712XQC is an old overwatch league player who mostly just does "react" streams now where he's either dead silent or otherwise contributing almost nothing to "transform" the content he reacts to
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 4 ай бұрын
@@salty_-ashh ikr he needs to add transformers gameplay to the bottem of his facecam and it would fix all the issues.
@IIIRONE
@IIIRONE 4 ай бұрын
his *
@mrwannabeblacksmith8831
@mrwannabeblacksmith8831 4 ай бұрын
The music played during this vid is beautiful
@BrawndoDrinker
@BrawndoDrinker 4 ай бұрын
FYI, non compete agreements are now illegal in California. Hope they go after post employment NDA.
@desons9481
@desons9481 4 ай бұрын
California is a failed state bozo
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
Neither party is Californian, Bungie is HQ'd in Oregon and Marty was too during his employment.
@HavokGod
@HavokGod 4 ай бұрын
@@hilkmeister1382I thought bungie was in Bellevue, Washington? Not that that makes a difference but I don’t think it’s Oregon. Unless I’m mistaken
@rc08zzr600
@rc08zzr600 4 ай бұрын
@@hilkmeister1382bungie hq in in Bellevue Washington. Not Oregon. You were geographically close though. Common to mistake Oregon for Washington. I’ve done it in the past.
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
@@HavokGod Maybe it's one or the other; either way still not California.
@reap3r90
@reap3r90 4 ай бұрын
I worked for MS and got laid off 9 days before my stock vesting. Companies do not care about you, there is no such a thing as corporate loyalty. Go work for whoever pays you more and offers more benefits.
@CamInTheHat
@CamInTheHat 4 ай бұрын
I've see a couple comments and stuff asking what was the point of this interview? The point is, Marty is presenting parallels on how the bad leadership and corporate interest over creativity during his tenure and the troubles with todays Bungie mirror each other. He is also telling us how the original Bungie leadership and creatives were pushed out and replaced, which changed the spirit of the studio and the direction they would go. In the end all the creatives and visionaries who had the power to call shots and make change were forced out or left. Now the ones in charge are in it just for profit but wear the dead skin of a ounce independent Bungie, tugging at our nostalgia. With this insight, the Activison deal, poor launch on D1 and D2, the Eververse, Sony deal, and massive layoffs make sense. **EDIT for the idiots: this is Marty's perspective and he says as much through out the interview. Like the old saying goes; There's my truth, your truth, and The truth.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
He hasn’t been in Bungie in years and knows nothing about the modern version lol
@CamInTheHat
@CamInTheHat 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 I didn't say he did?
@CamInTheHat
@CamInTheHat 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 He is saying that alot of the issues and patterns that happened to him and around him when he worked there for 25 years are still happening. And we can see that.
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
@@CamInTheHat They're a troll. Don't pay them a word.
@CamInTheHat
@CamInTheHat 4 ай бұрын
@@jesseritchie9282 lol you right.
@OmegaDerrick
@OmegaDerrick 4 ай бұрын
D2 and its community has been the longest toxic relationship i’ve seen or heard of 🤣
@TwiceBubaigawara-dl5ln
@TwiceBubaigawara-dl5ln 4 ай бұрын
For real and it definitely doesn’t help with Pete shitson still being there and pretty sure he’s the one pushing the rainbow stuff more and more and it’s annoying af because it ruins the gameplay because the story is so bad.
@Mannyshevitz
@Mannyshevitz 4 ай бұрын
If saint is just another simulation plucked from the infinite forest or whatever does that mean all saints were gay? Cuz I’m sorry but og saint was 100 percent slaying puzzzy
@RandomDude45_X
@RandomDude45_X 4 ай бұрын
Would have been mine also but I was with my kids mother for almost 20 years and was married 10. So 2nd most toxic relationship I've seen😂.
@OmegaDerrick
@OmegaDerrick 4 ай бұрын
@@RandomDude45_X oh my god haha srry laughing but seems you have found peace n happiness so all good that ends well🤘🏼🙏🏻 thats what matters
@almightyrasen
@almightyrasen 4 ай бұрын
@@RandomDude45_X..drinks on me brother
@staceychallacombe-grant4085
@staceychallacombe-grant4085 4 ай бұрын
Seeing cross start laughing when they showed the first tweet i instantly knew what he was thinking of 😂
@Danil_JRK
@Danil_JRK 4 ай бұрын
What was he thinking?
@XxoxidizedxX
@XxoxidizedxX 4 ай бұрын
'double kill' got me rolling in that video lol
@staceychallacombe-grant4085
@staceychallacombe-grant4085 4 ай бұрын
@@Danil_JRK "double kill"
@TxSluGG
@TxSluGG 4 ай бұрын
The Last Array hits different….
@Khalum
@Khalum 4 ай бұрын
The statement about not being able to get Microsoft out of Bungie is interesting. Look at what Microsoft/Xbox just did to the japanese studio behind Hi-Fi Rush. The game won a few awards and was received pretty well by the players, yet they dropped the studio. Then, a day later, they said they want a Japanese that can make small, indie games that win awards. So he isn't wrong with the Microsoft statement.
@Idiot_Supreme
@Idiot_Supreme 4 ай бұрын
Microsoft has done nothing but shoot themselves in the foot for two console generations. Arguably two and a half, since Sony handily came back from the brink near the end of the PS3s life. It’s insane to me that Microsoft has managed to make so many mistakes. You’d think a company as successful (and profitable) as them would know what makes their customer base happy. To be fair to them, they’ve also just been ahead of the curve in some aspects. Digital only media was ridiculous when they tried it initially, but then it all went that direction anyway. Gamepass is the first thing they’ve done in decades that has been well received from the jump. Of course, now every publisher and developer has their own or is planning on making their own. It’s the streaming bubble all over again…
@shooshooshooshooshooter
@shooshooshooshooshooter 4 ай бұрын
Bungie always had toxic upper management and C-suite and Parsons was always front and centre? Quelle surprise.
@nightismonochrome
@nightismonochrome 4 ай бұрын
I've seen this interview already, but props to the editor for the smooth jump cuts
@josephstalin7044
@josephstalin7044 4 ай бұрын
Probably one of the worst gaming companies out there when you take account of the company’s culture, treatment of employees and consumers, and the games monetization. It’s probably second to activision and blizzard but honestly that’s debatable. The extreme monetization, eververse constantly gets stuff added, the prices increase and they charge 8$ for shaders, they charge for every little thing, force people to buy dlcs to play forsaken then take away those dlcs, made the game free after 2 years (really one year since vanilla d2 doesn’t really count), raised the prices of seasons and dlc while making the content smaller, whine about having to do their jobs like balancing guns and designing and adding ritual armor once a year, the constant obnoxious virtue signaling and discussion of politics, only to be exposed for treating their employees like dirt, management refusing to take a pay cut to help employees, ceo buying a bunch of cars while firing people. Such a great company.
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 4 ай бұрын
"It's just a business decision" there was so much drama, the guy who fired Marty had a grudge against Marty due to the mishandling of marketing during Halo ODST and Halo 3 era and the incident on reddit was simply an excuse to get rid of him to deny him his money. Then the guy who did the firing was himself fired a year later after all the internet drama which the firing of Marty caused. Now a decade later somehow Bungie has managed to gaslight the entire Destiny community against Marty which is shameful. They're worse than the RWBY community, no joke. Meanwhile, the small number of Halo fans had either already left by 2015, the few hopefuls who stuck around for Destiny 2 started to crawl back to Microsoft when Halo Infinite released. As someone who was a fan of old Bungie, I stopped caring about their games and moved on around 2010.
@db1872
@db1872 4 ай бұрын
I mean Bungie foundation does a lot of good, the game/universe has lasted ten years, it's a very woke culture over there as well
@sichigojd
@sichigojd 4 ай бұрын
@@db1872a lot of the money donated to the bungie foundation is also put back in the exec’s pockets
@TheSwayzeTrain
@TheSwayzeTrain 4 ай бұрын
Lol Bungie's foundation is basically them giving the players money away so that they can get a nice fat tax write off. Don't get me wrong if a dumb ass player wants to piss away $50-100 on a shader and an emblem let them. It's their money but ultimately the aim of the foundation is to better Bungie's bottom line. The causes are secondary to that.
@WanBelltrum
@WanBelltrum 4 ай бұрын
Dog they're way more worse companies in the gaming industry that are far more successful than bungie.
@enzudesign
@enzudesign 4 ай бұрын
It was such a great interview, I'm stoked to see you reacted to this 😊
@chrisborges7344
@chrisborges7344 4 ай бұрын
Marty was an integral part of Bungie's soul that made them famous. Suits took over, soul was killed off, and the entire lifecycle of Destiny, Bungie has been a corpse taken advantage of and pupeteered by the suits.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
Marty then removed his own Soul all by himself lol
@IrradiatorofBabies
@IrradiatorofBabies 4 ай бұрын
Finally, the villain origin story of Pete Parsons. Always was curious what this guy's background was. The Darkness turns out it was Microsoft all along. Insane.
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
@@IrradiatorofBabies I wouldn’t trust the word of one villain about the actions of another villain
@lazyvoid7107
@lazyvoid7107 4 ай бұрын
Two villains
@psythen4562
@psythen4562 4 ай бұрын
It feels like getting the cutscene to the witness’ origins
@IrradiatorofBabies
@IrradiatorofBabies 4 ай бұрын
@@psythen4562is Microsoft the Winnower?
@Jose_Doe
@Jose_Doe 4 ай бұрын
​@@jakespacepiratee3740which villan
@Terminatorskull30
@Terminatorskull30 4 ай бұрын
Bro its every aspect of this company that's fucked, more and more keeps coming out. Used to be a diehard bungie fan, but when TFS launched my account was hacked and I had to deal with their customer support for the first time. Oh dear god. No reason for the ban, no phone number, no email, just an appeal system where you submit a claim and get ignored. After 3 months with no response I reported them to the BBB, and FINALLY 2 days later I got a response (Basically said its not the person who's banned, its the account, so even though I got hacked I'm still responsible for what happened on the account. Dumb AF logic but at least I got closure). Like seriously, over 3 months for a response to a ban appeal is fucking wild. These guys don't respect their players (and apparently not their workers either) at all, and it's shown more and more as we dig deeper. F bungie at this point.
@drewschatzke6829
@drewschatzke6829 4 ай бұрын
Act Man such a great content creator - Glad you’re following up his on stuff Azto 👍
@judgementkazzy7172
@judgementkazzy7172 4 ай бұрын
From a gameplay perspective Bungie started decaying with Halo Reach but from a soul of the company perspective it started decaying when Marty and his compatriots were forced out of the company. That is when Bungie was not the same Bungie and when you was no longer able to say "but these guys made Halo surely it'll work out". Pete parsons, Jason Jones and the others will never do interviews about their side because they know they're wrong.
@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071
@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071 4 ай бұрын
Wait halo reach gameplay was bad :v? Or like I didn’t understand the first part
@chrisborges7344
@chrisborges7344 4 ай бұрын
Halo Reach was the beginning of the end of Bungie's soul.
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 4 ай бұрын
reach was better then 3
@judgementkazzy7172
@judgementkazzy7172 4 ай бұрын
@@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071 Reach introduced excessive bloom and sprinting which plague Halo to this day.
@sichigojd
@sichigojd 4 ай бұрын
@@judgementkazzy7172 no it does not lol
@Braneded2
@Braneded2 4 ай бұрын
This tracks from my time working at MS. 🎯. Projects done? Dump most of the staff that created it, rehire cheaper staff. Rinse and repeat.
@tysonkrunek4132
@tysonkrunek4132 4 ай бұрын
7th column July 7, 2007 or 7,7,7 Kvostovs 7s Founded by seven people Yeah just a bit of sevens
@thatguyagainlolollolol1528
@thatguyagainlolollolol1528 4 ай бұрын
bro spoke a total of 10 words throughout the video
@GeremyG
@GeremyG 4 ай бұрын
Man… Halo was so good.
@stevenbanks1548
@stevenbanks1548 4 ай бұрын
And Marty understated "halo was a big moment" It was almost THE moment. God it was such an enormous success and influence.
@TheStrayHALOMAN
@TheStrayHALOMAN 4 ай бұрын
The modding scene still is if you want to play more of it. You also have Halo 2 on the OG xbox with xbox again or Project Cartographer on PC which imo is the best way to play Halo 2.
@ThatOneZombie21
@ThatOneZombie21 4 ай бұрын
I KNEW IT, I KNEW PETE WAS FROM MICROSOFT ITS ALL CONNECTED. In all honesty tho, this was such a rabbit hole to go under and read and listen to.
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
Pete is not the sole cause of the problems but the example that Marty knew of.
@ThatOneZombie21
@ThatOneZombie21 4 ай бұрын
@@hilkmeister1382 brother it was a joke comment lmao
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
@@ThatOneZombie21 sure, but I REFISE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT >:(
@dark_taco
@dark_taco 4 ай бұрын
Comment section reallly showing the split in the community 😂😂😂
@Kastor0311
@Kastor0311 4 ай бұрын
@@dark_taco yea I've noticed that on a lot of cross's videos. I notice it in destiny party chats too. Usually leans more to the right though thankfully
@lambdadelta5743
@lambdadelta5743 4 ай бұрын
@@Kastor0311 you unironically use the term "woke" lmao
@justifano7046
@justifano7046 4 ай бұрын
@@Kastor0311 Gamers tend to lean to the right in general. Especially fanbase that are tangential to asmongold and (less so) act man.
@Danil_JRK
@Danil_JRK 4 ай бұрын
Alot of the Destiny community is left leaning, which is why most don't like him without actually doing research or actually knowing the things he says or supports. They just see one thing and assume everything else or even make things up, like him being transphobic.
@justifano7046
@justifano7046 4 ай бұрын
@@Danil_JRK I mean he supports project 2025. So saying he's transphobic probably isn't far off the mark.
@hollywoodzero2915
@hollywoodzero2915 4 ай бұрын
@24:25 vesting is usually done annually and is based on the company meeting financial targets or other milestones. It keeps people focused on longer term financial positive results. And employees usually aren’t in a good position to bargain otherwise. It’s pretty much sign it or not.
@baldalicious
@baldalicious 4 ай бұрын
There was a mission in D1. I don't remember what it was called. It was against the Fallen where you had to fight your way through a bunch of Fallen adds onto the deck of a Ketch then up through it to the boss on the top level and then kill it. I used to run that mission, I think one of those featured adventures that were added after the season was ended, over and over just because of the music. It was a perfect match with that mission. It built in intensity and reached a perfect crescendo when the boss is finally offed. It was one of the best marriage of scene and music I've ever experienced in any game I've ever played. Absolutely perfect. It this O'Donnell guy wrote that, he created a masterpiece.
@chrisborges7344
@chrisborges7344 4 ай бұрын
You should play the Halo games campaigns then. It's a constant flow of music married to the gameplay and story.
@sesp5322
@sesp5322 4 ай бұрын
I think I know which one you mean. The one on Venus right? The boss you kill is the House of Winter kell or something. I used to farm it for exotics when three of coins were a thing
@ellieswagaye
@ellieswagaye 4 ай бұрын
he didn't do it alone remember that, credit the others and stop glazing one man
@saverofthehumens
@saverofthehumens 4 ай бұрын
Destiny soundtracks starting from 2's release really turned into "Generic Cinematic Drivel - Epic Version". Lacks the.. *IT* Marty's composing provided, it just had something else to it man.
@SuperViper187
@SuperViper187 4 ай бұрын
"Pete" is like the bad Boss from "Ready Player One". lol
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
No that’s Elon Musk lol
@lokinslawomir0793
@lokinslawomir0793 4 ай бұрын
I would love for this to be posted en mass on the r/Destiny2 and r/DestinyTheGame sub reddits. The amount of Copium and Bungo Diarrhea being gargled over there is unreal. And they perma ban anyone trying to start discussions over criticisms of the company or criticism of the games state as a result of the mismanagement in Bungo.
@havoc1482
@havoc1482 4 ай бұрын
Someone posted it 6 days ago and it was immediately locked because of infighting about politics. DTG and the Destiny reddit crowd in general fucking hates Marty simple because he doesn't fall perfectly in line with their narrative. It doesn't matter to them that he has massive insight or that he's not even being slanderous. Those people are mind-broken by politics and are completely blinded by it.
@johnkummer7578
@johnkummer7578 4 ай бұрын
Cross most companies that have share options for everyday employees generally only will do payouts based on the kind of program. If for example is it a company 401k with the retirement built in with the stocks the reason to do it annually is, those who leave before vesting loses theirs to all that remain. They also have to deal with the government regs for the 401k with stock. If they fired him prior to vesting then it could be they were looking at how much he had vested already or still had some that were in his portion for his payroll deductions. There are all kinds of options out there for the companies to do for their employees and for the company to hold an interest in the stocks as well.
@Umbrum_Silvermoon
@Umbrum_Silvermoon 4 ай бұрын
My theory take it how you will: Pete Parsons has Sold out Bungie and by proxy Destiny so that he can get a high level job at Sony so he can then sell them out to Microsoft. Let's count it up: Pete was a high up in sales and marketing at Microsoft. He decided to quit to make points with bungie. Gets into Bungie even though many didn't want him in. After Bungie leaves Microsoft and gets in bed with Activision many got coerced out the door or fired yet Pete who was Microsoft not OG Bungie remained. After ups and downs Pete gets appointed CEO(how did an outsider get that CEO position is sus by itself) Soon after Pete makes an impossible deal with Sony Which Microsoft didn't attempt to counter i might add lightfall bombs causing revenue projections to fail by 40% 100 employees are laid off yet Pete still remained CEO. Meanwhile Bungie employees tell Sony their upcoming projects aren't gonna serve well as life services Sony delays their launch probably indefinitely (I smell sabotage by Pete's orders) Finally even with Pete Parsons again a man who has had extensive experience in marketing as CEO Final Shape failed even worse then lightfall which was a failure in it of itself, 220 were laid off due to this yet again Pete Parsons still remains CEO. At this point it can only be assumed with all his knowledge he should have known not to make that deal with Sony and should have been able to sell Final Shape better but on both accounts didn't. Why? He knew if Final Shape failed Sony would HAVE to take over due to contract. Now he's banking on Sony assimilating Bungie as the sacrificial lamb so he can get into Sony hopefully get appointed as a higher up. If and when that happens he can start sabotaging Sony from within while selling their secrets to Microsoft his true employer and Sony's chief rival not just in games but in technology software and hardware. Again this is just a theory but the line of events add up just too well. And if this does happen ohh boy buckle up folks cause this will cause a war in the courts that will forever shake the gaming and technological world to their cores dwarfing the console wars.
@xbotLife
@xbotLife 4 ай бұрын
And that is why I like Pete Parsons! So in the end Microsoft wins and that’s all I care about lol
@EchoDoctrine
@EchoDoctrine 4 ай бұрын
Fascinating theory. Kinda 4D chess. Imagine a microsoft guy sneaking into a studio to be HYDRA and he overvalues the projects, says they have 5 amazing games in development, sells up the studio to Microsoft’s competitors as being worth Billions. That competition Sony buys it for 3 billion worried that Microsoft would buy it 1st (even though secretly Microsoft won’t and knows it will crash) so Sony spends 3 BILLION And whoops those 5 games in development are scrapped, Destiny is crashing, marathon is getting terrible internals, whoops Sony just wasted 3 BILLION for a studio that was about to be insolvent and worth 30 bucks. Lolz. Got em. Made Sony waste billions. And the idea Pete and Bungie were convincing Sony to scrap Last of Us or other games …. Secretly helping Microsoft Man. Its a fascinating idea.
@SnowTheKitsune
@SnowTheKitsune 4 ай бұрын
Or he want Sony took over fully Bungie and all higher ups be let go with huge amount money in the bank.
@slingshotnerd
@slingshotnerd 4 ай бұрын
@@xbotLifeglazing for microsoft in 2024 is actually insane
@Umbrum_Silvermoon
@Umbrum_Silvermoon 4 ай бұрын
@xbotLife ehhhh I wouldn't say that. At least until the fat over paid fat judge(s) sing. Cause Corporate espionage is well...a high level crime and yeah in the first few months Microsoft will attempt to throw Pete under the bus but if Pete keeps the receipts and gives them to Sony to save his own skin which we ALL know he'll do Microsoft ain't gonna be "winning" anything other then massive debts paid to Sony and a possible (and believable if Sony proves Microsoft did set up Pete to do this by their direction) excuse given to Sony to call for Microsoft to be broken up claiming it was trying to become a monopoly (obvious omitting the fact they are no better) and were willing to resort to Corporate espionage to eliminate the competition which easily in both the courts of public opinion and law will have pretty decent standing leading to Microsoft being torn apart leading to a Sony win...it could go either way. But again that is IF again BIG IF my theory is correct we'll see but either if you like Sony or Microsoft or like me hate em both this is looking to be a show worth watching xD
@4newestaccoun
@4newestaccoun 4 ай бұрын
This was one of the best and most interesting videos I've watched on Az's channel. Feels so insightful like a mini documentary. Would love to see more stuff like this
@communitygamer117
@communitygamer117 4 ай бұрын
This comment section about to be a damn warzone.
@Felwinters.Lie69
@Felwinters.Lie69 4 ай бұрын
And it absolutely did.
@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait 4 ай бұрын
Apparently Marty is now some kind of reactionary conspiracy theorist, but his Bungie perspective is probably still generally worth listening to.
@NightshadeDE
@NightshadeDE 4 ай бұрын
@@atomic_waitidk, considering he was let go before the release of D1 what can he really say anymore. He hasn’t worked there in 10 years
@Naetheon
@Naetheon 4 ай бұрын
1:13:12 I remember those videos. Those were some really amazing concepts. I remember one of them was an early concept of the original destiny 1 orbit theme, the great unknown, he had named it space Angels and it sounded even more amazing than what we got (not saying what we got was bad)
@willlindal2446
@willlindal2446 4 ай бұрын
“It’s just a business decision” tells you all you need to know about Pete. But honestly a phrase like this sounds like he’s trying to convince himself that it’s true
@acrnm
@acrnm 4 ай бұрын
Really love booting up KZbin in the morning and seeing a long form video from Aztecross
@NightshadeDE
@NightshadeDE 4 ай бұрын
Shame it’s just a long form act man video with cross face in the corner
@acrnm
@acrnm 4 ай бұрын
@@NightshadeDE i see
@chiefkeyes5359
@chiefkeyes5359 4 ай бұрын
Well I guess it's safe to assume that Destiny is truly owned by Sony given that former Microsoft executives were in charge of that deal, because I find it hard for Sony to pay $3.2 billion without some sort of stake in the deal. Personally I don't think that's a bad thing not to say that Sony is a "saint" of a company but they certainly do have a good track record when it comes to developing video games. I don't think Sony will do what EA did with Anthem it seems Destiny is in good hands.
@westjaxarcadePS5
@westjaxarcadePS5 4 ай бұрын
100% Sony will find a way to clean house, and bring destiny back!
@elijahford3696
@elijahford3696 4 ай бұрын
They know the power of this IP. The only thing that can kill it is itself. They know this, and need a stake in live service. It'll be in good hands, comparatively. It'll suck short term, but they'll be working on making the game actually better.
@CorgiTiger
@CorgiTiger 4 ай бұрын
This is what I keep telling myself. Maybe it’s copium, but I do believe Sony will right the ship. It’s just a matter of how long that will take.
@ChaseChippy
@ChaseChippy 4 ай бұрын
Top tier reacting from cross there
@whatyousee3225
@whatyousee3225 4 ай бұрын
i've seen lots of people hating on Marty for some reason, googled as much as i can but still no idea why that's the case
@azurviper513
@azurviper513 4 ай бұрын
I am trying to figure that out myself honestly. All I seen is some weird shit about his "political views" which doesn't mean shit to me at all. I just want to know what this guy did to everyone to make them hate him so much. Dude seems cool to me.
@richardcarson3596
@richardcarson3596 4 ай бұрын
he isn't a leftist. that is all.
@cerebralassassin2185
@cerebralassassin2185 4 ай бұрын
He's leans more right so that's why he's hated for some reason. I can't believe people let politics divide them so much. Your political stance doesn't mean you're a bad person.
@honeybadgerzombie1159
@honeybadgerzombie1159 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@cerebralassassin2185hitler’s political stance was that the Jews were robbing Germany of its jobs and its money, which led to the complete take over and attempt at ethnostate for the Nazi regime. This dude isn’t a Nazi or anywhere near it, but don’t pretend political stances can’t equate to personal values that make you a bad person. It’s dismissive and ignorant, like people haven’t faced the consequences of others’ “political stances” for thousands of years
@Scarecr0wn
@Scarecr0wn 4 ай бұрын
Extreme left knows nothing but pure hate towards everybody and everything. It would be nice to discuss games and actual problems in gaming industry without spewing hate because of one´s personal beliefs, but oh well, it is 2024
@mattgibbia2692
@mattgibbia2692 4 ай бұрын
Commentary was very light on this. Cross was clearly interested
@84m30
@84m30 4 ай бұрын
Byf is having an aneurism hearing ODonnel spill the beans (he hates Marty for no reason)
@jWeslo
@jWeslo 4 ай бұрын
screw byf
@Malthy
@Malthy 4 ай бұрын
To be fair, he has a reason. It's just really dumb.
@84m30
@84m30 4 ай бұрын
@@MalthyByf has an opposition to politics on the other side of the planet from him that have zero effect on him and that he has no validation to comment on the impact of. He’s not the kind of person to hear anyone out or be reasonable.
@Lorentz_Driver
@Lorentz_Driver 4 ай бұрын
@@Malthy The reason that Marty spreads alt-right misinformation is dumb?
@Lorentz_Driver
@Lorentz_Driver 4 ай бұрын
@@84m30 Me when I forget politics expands past borders (I never leave my house)
@ssaylor
@ssaylor 4 ай бұрын
23:45 Retirement plan related vesting is completely up to the company. Standard is 3y-5y but companies go up to ~7y employment before your are fully vested, meaning that you own a portion of the shares owed to you yearly if you leave the company (one third of your earned shares leave with you if you leave after your 1st year of a 3y vest-schedule with the company). The reason companies do the yearly thresholds, again - completely by choice, is to control turnover. They want people to stay with the company so they hold the employment term over your head, affecting your decision to leave, as well as saving the company from paying you out if they end up firing you. It's all above-board and legal, and employees agree to this retirement setup because our other choice is *not having a job*. or self-funding an IRA. or doing retail trading on the side.
@silksong37
@silksong37 4 ай бұрын
Im curious to see what cross has to say. Theres a lot of edits and cuts where cross pauses and begins talking but we dont get to hear what he says. Anyone who watched it live got any input?
@silksong37
@silksong37 4 ай бұрын
@@absentstars474 oh alr thanks 🙏
@kasumiayanami4501
@kasumiayanami4501 4 ай бұрын
Based Zelda and Link wallpaper btw
@davidvelazquez5460
@davidvelazquez5460 4 ай бұрын
Microsoft never left Bungie 😮😢
@ricardotolbert1797
@ricardotolbert1797 4 ай бұрын
That’s why destiny is now on XBox smh it was suppose to be a PlayStation exclusive.
@EchoDoctrine
@EchoDoctrine 4 ай бұрын
One might be able to make an argument that Microsoft was still inside Bungie, like HYDRA from marvel movies. They waited and knew Sony wanted to buy so maybe they lied about 5 “incredibly potential big seller games” and overvalued destiny and purposely drained Sony of 3 billion for absolute trash. Long term 4D chess. Just a thought.
@tooblackfordeath
@tooblackfordeath 4 ай бұрын
​@@EchoDoctrine delusional
@tooblackfordeath
@tooblackfordeath 4 ай бұрын
​@ricardotolbert1797 it was never going to be an exclusive...
@westjaxarcadePS5
@westjaxarcadePS5 4 ай бұрын
​@@EchoDoctrine spot on!! Trying to ruin them from within
@RWDROCKS
@RWDROCKS 4 ай бұрын
@47:47 The tequila bottle on the work station 🎮 😂 brainstorm 🧠 juice 😅
@raysolo137
@raysolo137 4 ай бұрын
Cross why didn't you keep that Steve Jobes clip at the end? That was the most important part imo
@EternaKitsune
@EternaKitsune 4 ай бұрын
marty has way way more insight then i ever thought even despite not being at the company for years crazy o.o
@jyapp4489
@jyapp4489 4 ай бұрын
As much as I'm not a fan of some of Marty's personal beliefs, I respect him enough as a worker to at least hear out his side of the story. Even if things were far more grey than meets the eye, his tale certainly lines up with the other reports that came out of Bungie over the last 15 or so years.
@joes9732
@joes9732 4 ай бұрын
He was the least looney Republican running in that primary, unfortunately 🙄
@roger07ify
@roger07ify 4 ай бұрын
The fact he's not a mainstream commie just gives him that much more value 🤷‍♂️
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
People are not their opinions, good on you for recognizing that.
@hilkmeister1382
@hilkmeister1382 4 ай бұрын
​@@roger07ify that is probably the part he is fine with, but disagrees with the conservative social values rather than economic ones.
@Malthy
@Malthy 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for being one of the adult and rational ones about it.
@therealzyrix
@therealzyrix 4 ай бұрын
How do you spell take over?
@somahagymasy5341
@somahagymasy5341 4 ай бұрын
After watching this, I will never understand why the Destiny community hates this guy
@daycejohnson
@daycejohnson 4 ай бұрын
Because his views are horrific?
@ThatOneguy-cg2sw
@ThatOneguy-cg2sw 4 ай бұрын
@@daycejohnsonyou mean his views are awesome?
@omensoffate
@omensoffate 4 ай бұрын
@@daycejohnsonwhat views 😂
@deadlysock5875
@deadlysock5875 4 ай бұрын
Because the majority of them are liberal and sjw. It's just something you have to either live with as a player or move on if you can't ignore it.
@JeremiahHector
@JeremiahHector 4 ай бұрын
Has nothing to do with a retrospective on bungie ​@@daycejohnson
@GirlfightClub
@GirlfightClub 4 ай бұрын
✅Marty O'Donnell got involved with Bungie through a chance connection after working on commercial jingles and music in Chicago. He founded his own studio, TotalAudio, with Michael Salvatori, and started out in TV and radio. Bungie initially hired him as a contractor to create sound effects and music for *Myth: The Fallen Lords*. His involvement grew as he proved integral to Bungie’s projects. By the time of *Halo*, O'Donnell became Bungie’s full-time audio director, shaping some of the most iconic soundtracks in gaming history [oai_citation:1,A LEGENDARY Interview With Marty O' Donnell (Composer From Bungie, Halo, Destiny) - KZbin](kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5zRaHejgpurj7s).
@texting7856
@texting7856 4 ай бұрын
i wanted to watch this , nice ty cross 👍
@coranen246
@coranen246 4 ай бұрын
Never thought I’d see the Act Man on a Aztecross video 🤯
@Mannyshevitz
@Mannyshevitz 4 ай бұрын
Rip bungie / destiny. Was a great ten years and I’ll continue to come back if the content looks cool and I’ll always watch my og creators.
@MatthewJohnson-ll7iz
@MatthewJohnson-ll7iz 4 ай бұрын
Most companies don't let you vest when you want. They make you wait, where I work. In management, they have to stay 5 years. If they promote, it's 5 years in the new job for the larger options.
@TeKnoVKNG23
@TeKnoVKNG23 4 ай бұрын
Bungie always had toxic upper management and it just got worse when Luke and Mark started strutting around on camera with their arrogance. That arrogance eventually spread to the development teams where they felt like everything they made was gold and they didn't have to listen to fans and the community. If you ever gave critical feedback they labeled you toxic and a hater instead of listening to anything. They dug their own grave with this game and I don't feel sorry for any of them. The player base has tanked and they deserve every bit of it.
@gargathulothhastur4981
@gargathulothhastur4981 4 ай бұрын
They definitely have toxic developers too.
@TheGrimmLeader
@TheGrimmLeader 4 ай бұрын
Its so incredibly sad how amazing Bungie used be in the glory days of the Halo series and how much faith I had in them making a banger of a game that people would love, and then see how low it has become and just a rollercoaster through hell. Bungie was probably the last studio I had absolute faith in in the gaming industry. How much passion and love I had for video games as I was growing up. I used to want to become a game developer because it was something I did love, same with live streaming/youtube. It seems since the early 20-teens(years) that the gaming industry just started to really just be a corporate bs gig to reap money from suckers. Passion has died for a lot of it, a lot of games is either about a cash grab or a political statement/agenda thing for the last several years. I apologize for the long monologue but just wanted to get it out.
@VanquisherVIII
@VanquisherVIII 4 ай бұрын
Marty is right they'll never make me hate you Marty.
@yojoono
@yojoono 4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, his political campaign might make you dislike him...
@Elbie2010
@Elbie2010 4 ай бұрын
@@yojoono what about it are people not liking? i dont understand politics very well, i just want to know what people dislike about his views.
@Malthy
@Malthy 4 ай бұрын
​@@Elbie2010what he means is, since Marty has different political views than some, just like half the country naturally does, it's justified to hate him. Which is dumb.
@carlosjosephgomez1495
@carlosjosephgomez1495 4 ай бұрын
@@Elbie2010he is a Republican that was in a Democrat leaning studio. I could go deeper but I’d rather not.
@Lorentz_Driver
@Lorentz_Driver 4 ай бұрын
@@Elbie2010 Oh I don't know, maybe all the trans hate for starters....
@paradoxlaboratories8005
@paradoxlaboratories8005 4 ай бұрын
Maybe this is a stupid question, but, have you tried reaching out to any Bungie team members for interviews, Cross? I don’t tune in that often (I’m sorry to say) so maybe you’ve already mentioned it. Of the main Destiny channels though, I think that you would be the best at interviewing.
@andrewisbetterthanyou
@andrewisbetterthanyou 4 ай бұрын
Marty is right
@mistwraithstormblessed1529
@mistwraithstormblessed1529 4 ай бұрын
Dude, where did you get your desktop background? That picture of Link and Zelda is adorable!
@kennonfleisher
@kennonfleisher 4 ай бұрын
Gotta be honest, you’re clearly grieving the end of Destiny. It’s never gonna be the same.
@FireSidePhoenix
@FireSidePhoenix 4 ай бұрын
this is my favorite reaction channel
@crazyman1905
@crazyman1905 4 ай бұрын
I forgot this is an aztecross video
@EvanC8
@EvanC8 4 ай бұрын
They never should have let go these very talented creative people at the beginning
@saverofthehumens
@saverofthehumens 4 ай бұрын
Talent is expensive. Expensive gets in the way of that dungworm's 50th car.
@Omnijoel_
@Omnijoel_ 4 ай бұрын
Halo series under Bungie was great and it what made Bungie. To make it Xbox only was an amazing move by Microsoft, it was smart, and correct. You, generally speaking, can't be mad at this as it's something we talk about almost weekly, "Xbox needs more exclusives"...... The biggest difference is atmosphere. Modern Bungie is a shadow of it's former self. I feel they care more about being progressive, then making a great game. Where old Bungie put feelings aside and focus on the game... It's hard being a player who wants an amazing but also wants to care about the devs. You want a healthy atmosphere, but also a great game. Usually you get one or another.
@ellieswagaye
@ellieswagaye 4 ай бұрын
nah they killed the company making it exclusive. It led to a console war that Microsoft has lost every year and will keep losing sooo bad move. Should've just released it for everyone and made triple your money.
@Omnijoel_
@Omnijoel_ 4 ай бұрын
@@ellieswagaye Making exclusive is what people want right now generally speaking. That is like saying that Sony should put God of War on Xbox. Making Halo a launch title for xbox only was smart for the xbox as it gave competition to the PS, and helped launch the xbox. What should have happened is each should have some same games and each have exclusives. That would force people to own both, if just not a pc. Weirdly enough as a gamer that would be amazing in a vacuum, not awesome for our wallets.
@ellieswagaye
@ellieswagaye 4 ай бұрын
@@Omnijoel_ i understand what you mean i think, i have seen he nuanced topic a lot recently about how the reason this era of gaming sucks is due to lack of exclusive titles. I feel some truth is there while also thinking its a bit naïve to boil it down to exclusivity. What i think people really want is simply good memorable titles, if they weren't exclusive i think they'd have the exact same effect. Exclusivity was at best just something these companies wanted to do as a means to make more money via competition. In actuality if these companies weren't doing exclusivity deals then we'd probably be happier as a whole, never worrying about crossplay and having to buy multiple consoles. Its basically why pc has been heralded as "master race" (corny i know) for decades.
@DehMuffinMan
@DehMuffinMan 4 ай бұрын
its a company choice for how stocks vest usually theres a 1 year cliff periond and you get a large chunk and then its either month to month or year to year however the company decides
@Martyr104
@Martyr104 4 ай бұрын
Marty is hugely underrated by the modern Bungie audience, people judge him because his politics are different than theirs. Imagine not being able to accept that different people have different lives and different viewpoints. Shame.
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
Which is both unfortunate, and not shocking
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 4 ай бұрын
if your politics is infringing on human rights then not accepting them is perfectly fine.
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
@@Blanktester685 Exactly. Goes all ways
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
@@jesseritchie9282so people have good reason to dislike Marty then
@jesseritchie9282
@jesseritchie9282 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Sure sames go the other way.
@supernoah176
@supernoah176 4 ай бұрын
Yo what’s the BG music here ? 32:57
@alcatraz_xv6134
@alcatraz_xv6134 4 ай бұрын
2 weeks late but it's a song from Halo 2 called Peril.
@supernoah176
@supernoah176 4 ай бұрын
@@alcatraz_xv6134 FINALLY THANK YOU SO MUCH!
@alcatraz_xv6134
@alcatraz_xv6134 4 ай бұрын
​@@supernoah176 You're Welcome
@aviatinggamer9051
@aviatinggamer9051 4 ай бұрын
Just started the video and wanted to comment on the thumbnail… When Bungie was with Microsoft they were much more customer friendly with transparency, pricing, and microtransactions. Microsoft kept the greed of Bungie in check. 2:19 if his biggest complaint about Microsoft is they wouldn’t let them make them create a PC port (so they could sell more Xbox units) then they had it pretty good. Xbox was the new kid on the block battling gaming juggernauts Sony, Sega, and Nintendo for console sales. If they had made a PC port then their Xbox console crashes and burns. So that business decision should’ve been perfectly understandable given how much financial backing and limelight Microsoft gave in return to Bungie. It’s not like Microsoft enslaved bungie. I’ll tell ya though, people forget, but Halo 2 introduced dlcs to console FPS’s with their multiplayer map packs. However, they were only $15-20 per map pack ($5/map). After 3 months the map pack became… FREE. Halo 2 also didn’t have rotating maps or PvP game modes. All the maps and PvP modes ever made were always available. 24/7, 365 days a year. Halo 2 also released as a fully developed game with a considerable campaign and a revolutionary online PvP mode. Given the difference in Destiny’s fundamental design with rotating content and barren, empty content offerings at launch (of D1 and D2) I find it hard to say Microsoft was the bad guy. Since they separated from Microsoft, Bungie only became a demonstrably worse game developer. 21:58 remember when he said whatever he wanted as long as he was honest and not nasty? I remember. 1:16:37 I think you were a more customer friendly company under Microsoft than at any other time and I believe Bungie’s business models prove that.
@TeKnoVKNG23
@TeKnoVKNG23 4 ай бұрын
Bungie/Old Bungie and fanboys always wanted to blame Microsoft for handcuffing them or whatever, but in reality it was the best publisher they worked for and when they did their best work. Bungie always wanted too much "creative freedom" though and we saw how good they were with that and it has finally bitten them in the ass.
@chriscollins3225
@chriscollins3225 4 ай бұрын
A Microsoft exec was the one running the show after they split from Microsoft Pete Parsons was trained by Microsoft work culture I understand your a Xbox fan but damn kid
@Jaker788
@Jaker788 4 ай бұрын
I think the culture against Microsoft was one thing that helped them. Once they got with Activision they did not fight, they did as Activision wanted and push back got you pushed out of the company. One thing that comes to mind is ODST being sold for $60, but Bungie planned on doing $30 and Microsoft wanted $60. However with profit sharing it benefits them too, unlike earlier games where they were all purely salary and no profit sharing.
@aviatinggamer9051
@aviatinggamer9051 4 ай бұрын
@@chriscollins3225you obviously understand nothing as I never said that. I understand that you don’t have a real argument that you can back with facts so you resort to name calling and putting words in peoples’ mouths. I’m not a kid, I’m 32 and I’ve seen bungie under their own management, Microsoft’s management, activision’s management, and now Sony’s management. And as soon as Sony bought them they gutted the place… They were at their best under Microsoft. Whether that was because of Microsoft or in spite of Microsoft is up for debate. But what isn’t up for debate is the content they delivered at launch and their monetization strategies were all more customer friendly under Microsoft than any other publisher, and that includes when they self published. If you can kindly point to customer friendly practices that I missed under different publishers I’ll be happy to reconsider my position. But you’ll have to cite more sources than “trust me bro” or the same biased, one sided video we all just watched.
@chriscollins3225
@chriscollins3225 4 ай бұрын
@@aviatinggamer9051 Pete Parason a Microsoft ex employee ran the show after they left Microsoft I'm also 32 yrs old Even under other publishers a Microsoft employee ran the show and also when they self publish Now who is putting words into others mouth when did I ever say trust me bro lol If you kept up what bungie has been doing since then you would understand who's been running the show It's not Activision or Sony fault but the upper management at bungie who are ex Microsoft employees
@Npact84
@Npact84 4 ай бұрын
24:32 Companies set up when they vest. You can only control what to do after it vests if you are still working with the Company.
@ArcticSquash
@ArcticSquash 4 ай бұрын
Bungie destroyed itself 😂
@GirlfightClub
@GirlfightClub 4 ай бұрын
Bungie co-founder Alexander Seropian, In the Marathon Trilogy box set booklet, Seropian said: “My personal goal is to build the greatest video game company in the world, one that will dominate the games industry and eventually achieve world domination.” This statement captures Bungie’s ambitious spirit during the early days when they were rapidly expanding their influence in the gaming industry. -ChatGPT because I couldn’t remember it exactly. I had the box set back in the 90’s.
@mLarv
@mLarv 4 ай бұрын
Marty is the man
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 4 ай бұрын
He’s a bully.
@mLarv
@mLarv 4 ай бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 I guess that's your opinion
@jameshale1576
@jameshale1576 4 ай бұрын
Sound track to this video was banging
@bigonrock
@bigonrock 4 ай бұрын
nah marty fully understands the players with Microsoft training and identified the problems bungie has and he's been telling us for years. companies are just truly scum with money.
@johngallegos9710
@johngallegos9710 4 ай бұрын
Ok, what exactly is the hang up with Marty again? He seems like a pretty punk-rock MF'r to me (like a lot of creatives) and part of the mentality why people even fell in love w/ Bungie to begin with. I remember hearing a comment that Byf made on a vid w/ Unkown about Marty that didn't seem very friendly regarding O'Donnell. Pretty much every trial & tribulation he has described is ALWAYS what creatives run into when they have to deal w/ out of touch pencil pushers and EXACTLY what everyone is championing about the creative team at Bungie NOW. It might be a different era but it's the same problem.
@ultramix9696
@ultramix9696 4 ай бұрын
Yo, cross. I know these vids are easy to make, but like next time you do something like this. Can you add some actual commentary to the vid you’re watching. Cause this is basically just stealing this guys entire video.
@Tyr808
@Tyr808 4 ай бұрын
ActMan also reacts to stuff and likely doesn’t care. Cross and him are both adults that are capable of working this out between themselves if there’s an issue. No one likes hypersensitive concern bots.
@ultramix9696
@ultramix9696 4 ай бұрын
@@Tyr808 One, I’m not hyper sensitive. I’d actually like to hear more of Cross’s thoughts throughout the video. Cause he basically provides very little substance at all. Just explaining few things here and there. Two, I’m not concerned for him losing his channel or anything like that. I’d just prefer a reaction video to have solid commentary given in response to the things being said, I’ve watched cross for a while, he’s insightful and hilarious. This sh** is so low effort it’s disappointing is all.
@masonbroughton1656
@masonbroughton1656 4 ай бұрын
@@Tyr808bro got you there
@chewie51
@chewie51 4 ай бұрын
maybe he didn't want to interrupt an 80 minute interview with his commentary and having to constantly pause the video thus turning it into a 2 hour plus ordeal. i mean what's the matter you don't have enough patience to sit through and listen to the commentary in the actual interview and want the cliff's notes version? ffs shut up and move on.
@ultramix9696
@ultramix9696 4 ай бұрын
@@chewie51 if that was what you gained from what I said. You need to go back to school.
@thedomesticoperator
@thedomesticoperator 4 ай бұрын
PAssage is the best video game track in history next to Quake's Parallel Dimensions
@davedronski7749
@davedronski7749 4 ай бұрын
I still can't believe that Bungie sunset Luke Smith!
@EchoDoctrine
@EchoDoctrine 4 ай бұрын
Luke should throw money at the screen. That might work.
@TheBladeGator
@TheBladeGator 4 ай бұрын
I’m so happy that loser is gone. What a sleazy business strategy: sell people unbalance weapons in a dlc, wait a few months for people to pick their favorites, ruin those, sell new ones, sunset the old ones, wait briefly for people to miss mountaintop and recluse, sell them right back to the player base. Oh and also sell expansions you plan on removing later…
@MeDsCP
@MeDsCP 4 ай бұрын
@@TheBladeGator I don't know why people dickride Luke, he was responsible for so much crap.
@saverofthehumens
@saverofthehumens 4 ай бұрын
@@TheBladeGator Atleast they got rid of one parasite. Now for the lobotomy AKA get rid of mister car show..
@eduardorhyoutube
@eduardorhyoutube 4 ай бұрын
@aztecross in the tech industry most companies have quarterly vesting schedules, but some have big cliffs (ex: Amazon afaik)
@doomass4207
@doomass4207 4 ай бұрын
I don’t play bungie games anymore. Haven’t in awhile.
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 4 ай бұрын
destiny has been the only bungie game in the last decade...
@JamesFuston
@JamesFuston 4 ай бұрын
restreaming act man's video with your face on it is kinda wild
@richardkim3652
@richardkim3652 4 ай бұрын
If they can't get a job because they put the company on blast after getting fired then it's simple, they should just make their own game and get together.
@djjefferson4200
@djjefferson4200 4 ай бұрын
We were talking About the love that's gone so cold And the people Who gain the world and lose their soul They don't know They can't see Are you one of them? When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find Peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you ~ The Beatles
@thelegacy9215
@thelegacy9215 4 ай бұрын
More positive Bungie news🤔.
@Based_Shogun
@Based_Shogun 4 ай бұрын
24:25 because it's an agreement, not a demand you can make. The company wants terms that will keep you there as long as possible before you get your payout. Their leverage is dangling that higher payout and making you greedy for it because it's so much better than a shorter term.
@inoob26
@inoob26 4 ай бұрын
The interview made me respect Pete Parsons to a certain degree, he's not a bad person . Just a bad leader like most CEOs are cuz you just cant be as based as Iwata I guess
@datdudefromkc
@datdudefromkc 4 ай бұрын
Yeah buying expensive cars then laying off people, seems like a great person!
@ellieswagaye
@ellieswagaye 4 ай бұрын
@@datdudefromkc extremely based pete i would buy cars too kid
@XXETU972
@XXETU972 4 ай бұрын
@@ellieswagayeI would buy a desert eagle just for you😄
@chillhour6155
@chillhour6155 4 ай бұрын
The core problem from this modern AAA industry ecosystem we currently witnessing seems to stem from marketer's taking over from creatives, they care more about representing a bad product in a good light and get those guaranteed Pre orders in then to actually hire similar passionate and creative people that has laid the foundation of gaming that made it as big as it became and surpassing any other form of entertainment media in less then half of a century
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