The Dark Side of a Premiership - AFL

[@leowillee]

Saw you on hard quiz tonight, robbed

[@jaggerskilbeck]

much love g, highway burglary

[@rorythompson864]

​@@jaggerskilbeckdamn what was your expert subject

[@JamesWilson-ie5mw]

@@rorythompson864 Google is free 👍👍

[@samwilson6702]

Gardiner and Cousins crashed their car into my parents front yard brick wall when I was a kid in Scarborough. Loved them even more after that

[@davemeads859]

I remember that crash everyone still claims Ben was driving but Gardiner took the blame for him which led to him being traded and his career went downhill fast after that

[@alexg3455]

@@davemeads859 Not really... he was St Kilda's #1 ruckman for a while and played in two more grand finals before retiring

[@davemeads859]

@@alexg3455 you've got me there tbh, he did well with the saints

[@realife1542]

😂😂

[@effkay3691]

I lived in Perth for 10 years. This comment summarises the Perth football culture. If you play for the eagles you can basically burn down Claremont and they’ll make you a statue outside Claremont Quarter.

[@BryanInvest]

I'm a West Coast Eagles supporter. This video was very well made and fantastic to watch. I really enjoyed the 2004-2007 years because the Eagles were flying high and it was my high school years. So much nostalgia. Ben Cousins and Daniel Kerr were my two favourite players and it really makes me sad seeing what has happened to them post footy. No one is perfect. I really hope they turn their lives around. Keep up with the quality videos mate! 👊

[@michaelhutchings8599]

That midfield was 'The Beatles', a second Fab 4. They were insane. It was straight unfair. Loved watching them play though.

[@BryanInvest]

@@michaelhutchings8599 Agreed. The only regret is they didn't win more flags with that legendary midfield!

[@joeyjoejoejunior3859]

@M Soccer: beloved by lady boys the world over.

[@w0lfm4n43]

@M i cant diss soccer. Its a sport for ppl who cant make it in a tough sport, cant take a real hit (but pretend to be "hit" n roll on the ground in agony.) 🤣😂🤣

[@jellyroll76]

@M Go watch soccer then. 🤣

[@nath-wp7xp]

Surprised you didn't mention this but after Ben Cousins' stint in rehab in 07, he returns to the Eagles team in Round 16 against Sydney, hadn't played a game all season and he comes on and is best on ground with 38 disposals. I can't think of many players that miss the first 15 rounds of the season and is still able to produce that level of performance in his first game back. Just another demonstration on what an incredible player and talent he was.

[@jlrob85]

And got no Brownlow votes for that game

[@nath-wp7xp]

@@jlrob85 wrong. Got one. Daniel Kerr 3, Ashley Hansen 2. Also Brownlow votes aren’t the ultimate final judgment of how well a player played.

[@Charles-SG]

@@nath-wp7xp how you be getting this info

[@kallancarruthers2640]

@@Charles-SG probably AFL tables

[@paulweston285]

Diesel Williams had 45 possessions one game and no votes

[@acadacs]

Literally best Aussie KZbinr, research, editing and everything is next level

[@louistomlinsonmusicaus920]

Saw you had uploaded and literally jumped with excitement. You make the best afl content bro. Please commit full time to this 🙏

[@jaggerskilbeck]

Thank you my guy, appreciate it. Not much cash in this stuff unfortunately

[@tomk4367]

So what you are just in it for the money?? Disgusting to think you are just another greedy grub!!

[@MrJDH1111]

Could not agree more. Always so good. Genuinely often wonder if producers for the chat shows look for people like this; I know I would.

[@Zaiden.]

@@jaggerskilbeck well if that the case you should keep this afl only channel then make another channel that not afl related?

[@theafldestination]

make sure to check us out to king

[@jaggerskilbeck]

Hey everyone, it has come to my attention that I showed a clip of Brent Staker instead of Tyson Stenglein. If you look up photos of each player in their prime I reckon they look exactly the same but Brent's eyes are rolled back into his head. Anyway it's been noticed and I'll never do it again. Apology video in a couple days

[@albertmiller2electricbooga897]

Seeing Ben Cousins in Perth is like a bigfoot sighting everyone talks abt it

[@quantum_man]

This was really interesting. Thanks for making it. Well put together too. You look deeper than the surface level we are normally presented with. As a Collingwood supporter would love you to do something on the emergence of the Pies and their phenomenal run of close victories and how they went from 17th to almost pinch it this year. I reckon that would get a few hundred thousand views.

[@lukekennedy2295]

Just discovered this channel and I am loving it! Nice to see an Aussie KZbinr give the spotlight to Afl with great editing and voice over. Keep up the awesome work mate!

[@ReaperspearX]

They were damn good.. but hell it's hard for them to be remembered when literally right after they fell off Geelong came out and obliterated the competition, they were stuck in that little period between the insane quality of Brisbane and Geelong. If only they got their act together they might have been a threat in 2007.. maybe.

[@klokar21]

yea that Geelong side in 2007 was utterly ridiculous, so many strong teams that year filled with champions that will never be forgot and Geelong blew them away, that 2001 draft will never be replicated.

[@purebloodsunite7489]

They were good because they were jack on PED's, without PED's they probably weren't that good.

[@klokar21]

@M you have made comment this thousands of times, you are never going to convince AFL fans that soccer is better in the country that invented AFL. i hope you took your meds today

[@hswforme]

@M You still around are you? 😆 But i do think Geelong '07 and '08 would have beaten the Eagles even with an uncompromised Cousins and a Judd without his groin issues. Even in 2005 Geelong smashed West Coast at Kardinia park, and in '06 the Eagles had that miraculous comeback against a Geelong side that was 3-6 at the time. Geelong lost three matches in 58 games from Rd 6 2007 until the clash against St.Kilda in 2009 when both were 13-0, a level of performance that was imperious. The Eagles have also yet to win at K.P since '06. Agree with Discoinfernal for sure, that three year gap between peak Lions and peak Geelong was a window for others to snag a flag.

[@jellyroll76]

Lucky we have the fresh memory of 2018. :)

[@troydunn1827]

Your Videos are well edited and Inspiring to watch mate, you are a real talent at what you do, every detail you add is spot on! Thankyou for your hard work, keep it up, we all love to see more

[@GARBEHH]

I appreciate you being so mindful around the language you've used around drugs and addiction

[@sean492]

Man your videos are so good. If you made videos about Gaelic football or even badminton I'd be hooked. Your storytelling is great everything about them is just pure quality. I'm moving to Australia in a few weeks and you're the reason I've gotten into the sport really.

[@ethangrant6076]

Great video. I'm an Eagles fan but was only very young at the time so I have no memories of either grand finals in '05 and '06, nor any idea how much drama occurred outside of Cousins, being he was the most heavily publicised. It's quite interesting to know how much went on, and how the club got off free of punishment. Very well made and informative video, please make more!

[@tubester4567]

The video didnt talk about the likelyhood of performance enhancing drugs. Highly likely.

[@kallancarruthers2640]

Awesome video man! Really enjoy the content. Though, I will say that as a non supporter of WC, I still fondly remember this juggernaut of a team at the time and there top tier midfield in any generation. It's fair to say the scandals have become the biggest talking point, but I dont think its overshadowed to point that everyone has forgotten about the on field brilliance. Keep up the amazing work!

[@wonkaAUS]

The level of detail you go into each time. The editing. The voice. The plot. The evidence everything fits into place… I wish you all the best keep this up bro ❤❤❤. Never knew that much about the Adelaide incident until you posted.. thank you!

[@christianwhite2192]

Such a good day when jagger uploads.

[@jameswebb7228]

Great video mate. I lived in WA when I was about 9-10 I during the late 2000s and got to see the 07 premiership team live. Probably too young to gauge how good they really were but I remember it being an electric atmosphere at games. The WA community just seemed to love them, maybe I was just a kid but people seemed to say nothing bad about the team because they just kept winning. We moved to SA a few years later and I immediately saw a completely different side of the coin. I think some SA fans were still bitter about the 2006 prelim vs Crows (I still to this day think Ben Cousins took amphetamines at 1/2 time) but people truly hated the team and the culture. Just is unreal to rewatch all the footage of a team of generational talent and see all the stories that seemed to miss a lot of the WA publics ears.

[@jackwitcombe765]

I was only 10 when they won in 06 so my memories of that period aren’t the greatest, but this video is giving me such nostalgia seeing channel 10 TV coverage and all the players we forget about. Such a time capsule with quality research and information. Fantastic video.

[@UFOuUAP]

Mate I'm a dockers fan and always loved cousins. he was not a robot and just like anyone else I new at that age getting in the shit haha I seen gardener at a festival chasing his jaw haha

[@punkrockpianist]

Wow! This excellently sums up the situation in the mid 2000's. After Port dethroned the Lions, the Swans and West Coast were THE teams to watch. Who knows what could have become of West Coast if things were different. Having said that, even a single premiership is a major achievement. Excellent video!

[@ClipFusion100]

jagger this is a massive W, 21k views on the first day mate we love your channel, can't wait for the next one you legend keep up the good work.

[@leaderofnoone9087]

This West Coast team should have won more premierships then they did, and yes I know that sounds stupid to say about a team that make two grand finals in a row, and won a premiership, but that's how great the West Coast Eagles where.

[@kitteguh]

Quality over quantity. Always loving the topic and your execution.

[@sirkarl0s593]

As an Eagles fan this time period absolutely kills me. We could have been one of the greatest teams in history but the team was it's own worst enemy. Looking back it seems like nothing more than a complete waste. That 06 flag will always be tainted for me.

[@DW-rs1pr]

Im a swans supporter. i reckon that west coast team was one of the most talented ive ever seen. sydney never had half their talent. ive seen a lot of good teams but that wce ruck and midfield is the best ive seen. judd cousins cox and embley/kerr were unreal

[@botchklobb8521]

Just found your channel mate n thought this was fantastic! We all knew they were on the gear but you just sort of forgot how many incidents the players had through out that period of early to mid 2000’s. As you said that eagles midfield on paper is 1 of the greatest the games ever seen but the team as a whole was a real force. To only end up with 1 flag from that list is truely an underachievement

[@jaxonlloyd6992]

Worked with Ben at some union sites, you can see damage has been done. But he is very approachable. He didn’t do much work but his workmates didn’t mind hahaha. Worked with him for over a year and blokes would see him for the 1000th time in the coffee room and still act like a little kid. Ripper bloke that did the wrong thing. Still the best footy player I’ve ever seen. I’ll remember him as a legend, a hero of my childhood. We always remember people for the bad. But Ben gave me a lot more smiles that he did tears. It’s amazing to see his progress now. I just hope he sticks with it. It looks like he is. Great video lads

[@Lucas-lk3gy]

Awesome video as usual! Thanks for all the effort you put in. Never clicked something in the feed faster

[@Oscar-sj1qn]

Awesome video as usual man, hope you can find the time and motivation to keep them coming!

[@Bloodynine606]

It’s a shame so many great players from This team are forgotten because of the actions of a small group

[@Reidy1107]

Best AFL content on KZbin mate. Elite stuff

[@NostraFnDamus]

Ive seen Benny Cousins a couple of times recently at the channel 7 building. He looks healthy.

[@zevgordon2756]

how you haven't been employed by a footy club for either media or annalist amazes me, you make the best contend which is so well researched and executed it is amazing.

[@jaggerskilbeck]

Thanks g, if you know anyone let me know

[@klokar21]

Your work is amazing dude, would love to see more from you, maybe some positive stories as well, maybe some stories on Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorne and Richmond and their triple premiership wins.

[@daviecrockett2272]

It makes sense now the rumours of steroid use during that era

[@shaztec]

Those rumours were from the early 90's and they were bullshit.

[@sobored9317]

90’s eagles were definitely on the roids, footy’s worst kept secret, but I’m not sure about the 05-07 eagles.

[@neomorpheus3703]

As an Eagles supporter everything you have stated is true, with exception that if you are an Eagles player you can "get away with anything in Perth". Furtherest thing from true. If anything the spotlight is on them even more for the worse.

[@leaderofnoone9087]

I've never been to Perth, but I always got feeling that if you were assessed you could get away with anything in Perth, and someone told me that I'm wrong.

[@umey3445]

Babe wake up, new jagger skillbeck video just dropped

[@michaelhutchings8599]

This is the best AFL content on YT. Herb's gone (he'll be sorely missed) so time to take The Throne mate.

[@goosedoesvideogames]

When we were waiting for him, he returned

[@freogirl7956]

What a great production. Definitely one for me to pin to my AFL History Pinterest Board..

[@mitchelltidball6944]

With Ross Lyon coming back to St Kilda, it might be good to compare what the interpretation of his first exit at the time was, compared to what we know now. Love the vids mate!

[@marcusberankis8960]

Awww yeah, he’s back. Please keep these up. Need more afl docos like these.

[@DemocracyManifest]

Great upload mate, interesting to look back on these crazy times

[@Gotiges489]

‘Ken mint video. You should start a podcast re AFL - history/incidents etc, if you haven’t already. The narration and the form is elite.

[@dansmart_76]

Great video mate. This story is a sad one. Not unlike a parent spoiling their child….. you enable such behaviour, it will eventually manifest into something that is habitual and permanently destructive

[@eatbrownbread9503]

awesome video mate, love your content, keep it up :)

[@WillPage]

That team had 3 premierships in them for sure.

[@charlesyt6258]

This is one of the best channels super underrated

[@dylanedwards896]

brilliant vid as a north supporter i'd love a video on duck's scandal and how it affected the club

[@charlieclynk684]

One of my favourite KZbinrs! Keep it up mate

[@OhAeroHD]

Still find it absolutely unfair that 34 of the Essendon players faced suspension for 12 months for no fault of their own, but these West Coast players were protected in the name of winning. I still to this day can't believe it, one group were unknowingly given banned substances and the others were doing it as a hobby.

[@vlillachy1933]

Always a good day when you upload

[@patricksobb]

Great video! I've certainly never been inside an AFL club. But you could guess that for every incident reported, there are probably 1 or 2 that never see the light of day. Either the club isn't made aware or they perform a cover-up.

[@tobythedevil1874]

This is a great video mate 👍 I'm an Eagles supporter and even I didn't know half of this info; I didn't realise how bad it was (I thought it was just Cousins and a bit of Kerr tbh)

[@glennkeppel9836]

Essington thought it was a good idea to hire Worsfold. I guess they thought he wouldn't have a culture shock.

[@milotherescuecat7924]

Superb video, takes me right back. Thank you ❤

[@jacksonsabonis3632]

Absolutely love your content mate! Amazing stuff! Please keep going!

[@nobodyasked391]

Love when you post bro. Such a goat

[@jamesacook5]

this is such a great video i can tell you put a lot of effort into it!

[@V8_200_Landcruiser]

Really happy to see Cousins back to health and enjoying life again. Despite his off field problems he should be in the HOF.

[@Paperbagman555]

You’ve outdone yourself w this one, mate. As a swans fan I felt so lucky to get a flag against the eagles, they were scary good. Has a team ever topped that midfield? Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Cox

[@Seedy_]

it's a shame we still look at that team as "Damn Good" during that period. When they clearly didn't just abuse substances off-field, they were most certainly using game day. "Keeping the high" bloody oath they were, otherwise they would have crashed and burned game day. Somewhat ironic that Worsfold went to go save Essendon after it's drug saga, when the AFL knew damn well within that report that all he ever did was enable the West Coast players to abuse drugs, so much so as protecting them. The fact that these blokes got to keep playing football (A bloody luxury) instead of being criminally convicted for drug abuse and assaults amongst a number of other discretions says a lot about money and fame, if joe down the road behaved how they did he'd still be in jail as we speak. Great to shine a torch on them, but i think they truly need a lighthouse shining on them. They should never ever be celebrated for any reason.

[@RetroBros1]

Awesome mate.. big eagles supporter here.. 👌 quality editing mate 👍👍. even if u got Brent Staker mixed up with Tyson Stenglien 😉 . Great job dude

[@coolcoconuts4453]

I love that most of the clips you used to show how good the Eagles were during this era showed had them behind on the scoreboard

[@leaderofnoone9087]

At the time west coast nickname was the come back kings, so it does make sense oddly enough.

[@jellyroll76]

@@leaderofnoone9087 Exactly. They did their best work under immense pressure.

[@frozen4blade313]

They did there best work after their half time pick me up 🤣

[@jellyroll76]

@@frozen4blade313 You'd know all about it huh. Also, it's 'their'. Year 3 spelling mate. You can do it. 😆

[@frozen4blade313]

@@jellyroll76 ahhhh did I hurt some feelings son.... And please correct my spelling when it is actually correct. "Their" belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified. So glad you could point that out to me. Due to my incorrect spelling my statement in now null and void. Honestly I don't know how I can continue to walk tall or even face my family now. Please tell me the ways of fluent English spelling in KZbin comment sections oh master of english. Doesn't change the fact anything that team did should be removed from history as it is tainted by the fact they were on meth.

[@Jimii89]

First time watching your content. Very high quality stuff brother. I think you're going to get very popular if you keep it up.

[@marcusjones6246]

Great content again, would be cool to do one about how Geelong have managed to completely rebuild 2 premiership lists while only ever dropping out of finals once

[@BG-id2cv]

ASADA were there this year at 2022 GF taking urine tests of players after the game. Results from similar tests after the 2006 GF would have been interesting.

[@benjibasenji7727]

Ripper video bro, nice work! Isn't that Brent Staker rather than Tyson Stenglein at 5:52?

[@footyflamez7455]

Insane analysis 🔥🔥🔥

[@JohnJohn-zn8ib]

This type of behaviour has been going on in football for decades at the highest level, it gets attention from the media because people like reading this kind of publicity, it’s boring after a while.

[@ghgplayer321]

What’s the song at 2:18?

[@Lucas_Cactus]

its so sad about how drugs can really demolish a group of people. Its sad

[@jeffbagley666]

As a West Coast fan, really well put together and I agree

[@damobdaking]

The sniff, sniff/ snort, snort premiers

[@ex0ja]

I don't remember the game being excited other than because it was close. Sydney were playing there stoppage game, constant stoppages the whole game.

[@GazTheSoundGuy]

Just got yourself a new subscriber mate, well done!

[@nickcowling2744]

Please set up a Patreon so we can fund you to make more AFL content. Love your work

[@alphakye]

Goated bro king of AFL content

[@benjaminwilliams951]

Really good analysis of the situation at West Coast in the mid 2000s. The moral for the story for me is alright they won the flag in 2006 but that came at massive cost for club. Clubs that turn a blind eye to these cultural issues are really saving up for bigger issues to explode later down the track. Would be interesting to see how many clubs' issues had in the 2000s. I suspect it was not only West Coast.

[@gerardrees7471]

You showed footage of Brent Staker when mentioning Tyson Stenglein.....

[@LDSports933]

Quality over quantity in these uploads

[@yeahthelozgaming]

My grandad who’s a huge eagles fan was telling me how he felt though they only won 1 flag it was a missed opportunity, had that team not been in so many off park dramas we’d be talking about them as a dynasty team

[@hswforme]

Couldn't see them overcoming the Geelong '07-08 team (even though the Cats lost the '08 GF). They were a different level of dominant, indeed Geelong beat WCE by 39 points in the second of Geelong's 15 game winning sequence...the match after Geelong smashed Richmond 222-57. The Cats lost three matches (one being the '08 GF) in a 58 game period over 2.5 seasons.

[@jeffaustin8112]

They probably should’ve won in 2005, they actually came into that game missing quite a few key players and in 07 if not for the off field stuff and again a whole host of injuries too Judd, Cousins and co they likely make the grand final and certainly give Geelong a better run then Port did

[@victorpeirce4753]

*Collingwood smashed Geelong in I think Round 8 2OO8 by nearly 9O points. I think they only lost that game and maybe 2 more for the year,then the Hawks fluked the 2OO8 Flag. Geelong really should have won 2OO7,2OO8,2OO9,2O1O and 2O11 Flags with all the talent they had stacked across every part of the ground. I think they wasted more opportunities than West Coast, and I also believe Geelong were on performance enhancing Drugs while Bomber was coach.💯%*

[@polarexpressgaming7573]

I genuinely believe this team could’ve been the greatest ever assembled, however “could’ve” isn’t reality

[@darrenmiles-morland8038]

When West Coast lost to Geelong at The Cattery in Round 7 of 2007, that's officially where the changing of the guard occurred. Up until that point West Coast had been virtually bullet proof. Throughout the next 15 years Geelong became that great team that West Coast could have become because they had the right kind of people running the club, and a great winning culture to go with it. West Coast were the exact opposite. Apart from a flash in the pan season when West Coast won the premiership in 2018, they have been a rabble almost ever since. Geelong have missed the finals just once during that period, and have put together a dominant period that will never be matched or beaten.

[@shannonpincombe8485]

The Eagles of 2002-2007(1 flag)were a very good football team but, as many top flight footballers, coaches and administrators will tell you, it takes sacrifice and commitment at all levels to become a team of a generation. Think of: the Demons 55-64(6 flags), the Tiges 67-74(4 flags), 2017-20(3 flags), the Blues 79-87(4 flags), the Hawks 71-78(3 flags), 83-91(5 flags), 2008-15(4 flags), Brisbane Lions in the early 2000's(3 flags), the Cats 2007-11...2021(4 flags). Legacy teams stay good for a long time. The Hawks 2015 squad played finals until 2018. The Cats won a third flag since 2007 in 2011 and played finals in all but one year until finally clinching another flag this season. The AFL is a tough comp but it's even tougher to stay relevant for long periods and keep winning premierships. WCE were their own worst enemy. The coaches, administrators and local populous who lionised them allowed their players to behave poorly due to lack of oversight. It eroded the fabric of the footy club and cost them success. The league went soft on them too. The flow on of this AFL executive mismanagement is history. Great video pal.

[@vicb5738]

We might have been god tier in 06 but 2008-2012 is some of my favourite eagles teams ever

[@bramba1953]

Why does no one mention the medal presentation where the eagles plays completely ignored the kids giving them their medals, they just snatched them out them off the poor kids hands, what a team all class.

[@craigtibbetts2925]

Yes I recall that happening. It was a terrible look. Poor kids will never forget it either!

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

@@craigtibbetts2925 I heard some of those kids went on to become drug dealers later in life...and the truly sad thing is, even after all these years, when they go to hand them their drugs the Eagles players still just snatch em straight outta those poor kids hands. What a team. All class.

[@AndyTheRoo]

West Coast should have had their 2006 premiership stripped from them. Pretty weak by the AFL to have such little punishment

[@crashwoahcoot6478]

Should 92 and 94 also be stripped because you're just as butthurt?

[@christophercummins5321]

If Cousins hadn’t have done his hammy I reckon West Coast would have beaten us (port) and probably would have made the grand final in 07 as well. That would have been a grand final for the ages compared to the train wreck we had to endure 😣

[@jlrob85]

They were a good team with a great midfield. Their forward line wasn’t terribly strong. They were good for that brand of footy in the early to mid 2000s but wouldn’t have matched Geelong in the second half of the decade.

[@darrenmiles-morland8038]

Round 7 of 2007 at The Cattery was officially the day when Geelong took over the mantle from the Eagles as the AFL's benchmark team. The two clubs have gone in polar opposite directions since, and are still that way to this very day.

[@savagegrant]

@@darrenmiles-morland8038 Riiight. West Coast went on to win a premiership in 2018 - Geelong only finished 8th that year.

[@gtrain2024]

They were elite and who knows who good they could’ve been…. Fantastic video mate I learnt a lot

[@Killajmj]

who is bigger in Perth, West Coast or Fremantle?

[@crakibble92]

West coast has the second most fans in the AFL, and twice as many fans as dockers. So eagles

[@markymark4831]

"How good could they have been" is exactly how they'll be remembered. They blew a dynasty.

[@davidhart5344]

Great perspective

[@TheHackersaurusRex]

2006 premiership should be taken off the eagles. They were on the gear for sure, cousins looked like a race horse that day

[@adammurphy6845]

How needs 60 Minutes....Amazing stuff Jagger

[@rh9329]

Where can you get a copy of the report?

[@beaumonty5504]

amazing video mate you easily have one of my favourite channels, i rewatch ur content all the time. Just a thought - you should consider creating a more produced thumbnail to drive clicks, because anyone who watches these videos will subscribe

[@jaggerskilbeck]

yeh fair, not great at photoshop tbh

[@findcontinuity5860]

Drugs have been a problem in football since the 70s. As usual because it is West coast, it’s a travesty. Nobody talks about Ablett seniors cocaine habit in the 80s. There’s a lot more to mention. The AFL conducted drug tests in 2024 and over 100 players failed. I don’t condone it at all but it’s a tale old as time.