The Dark Side of CS.MONEY

[@zipelCS]

The funny story is, a lot of professional players come to me and just recently realised how badly csmoney has ripped them off over the years. Also after making this video, CS.MONEY has started making it impossible for anyone with large amounts of balance on the site to withdraw skins, every item comes out as "reserved"..maybe part 2 needed lol

[@spookytofu2078]

part 2 is indeed needed

[@umut3]

Hej zipel

[@zipelCS]

@@brandonchutt312 the only dark side of skinbid is the background being dark XD

[@umut3]

@@zipelCS glædelig jul

[@peterfrost530]

@@zipelCS bros about to turn out like Bean if he don’t stay quiet lmao

[@Sparkles]

Sick vid, good info and exposé

[@danielerdo7117]

Sparkles

[@nikhiltyagi7308]

Sparkles, Make your own gambling website and expose other gambling website KEKW

[@Kjubb]

Waiting for this comment to go to the top

[@Complexion4U]

Yooooo

[@staman1]

Wasnt this pretty well known before this video?

[@KebabTM]

Was about to sell my 99% Fade FNST Shadow Daggers for about $500 because of the Cash Out Soon thing, but did my research and saw it has been “Coming Soon” for 2 years. Thanks for this video informing people about that.

[@NewFound09]

I traded stuff for a big loss there casually for a long time, not minding just skin swapping a bit on low value knives etc. But more recently I did fall for the cash out thing, that did piss me off quite a bit. I ended up losing probably approximately 100 bucks in value for my 600 dollar item but the sheer fact they have a disabled feature they advertise, that is beyond scummy. I bet their support hears about it constantly from suckers like me. I realised during my contact with support that I don't think they ever intend to release their cash out feature and just bailed with the value in skins. Thankfully you did your research on that aspect of the site, I googled it once I realised I was duped. I really wish they would crash and burn somehow.

[@KebabTM]

@@NewFound09 That is unlucky. At least you know now. Always watch out for these baits that sites use to reel you in.

[@weierschatten3433]

@@NewFound09 Happened to me exactly the same! Regretting it now, but hindsight is always 20/20

[@MortLamb]

Dudes, now the Cash out function is working and you can withdraw money from the site without any problems

[@7eis]

Imagine that. A skin site being hyper aggressive in their efforts to empty your bank account while looting your skin inventory.

[@_kurby_qb509]

win win for them right?

[@mist5023]

dont use csmoney then

[@staman1]

@@mist5023 But here is the thing this problem only occurse with skins that are pretty expensive and not with like 5 USD skins so you can still kind of use it for buying cheaper skins

[@asdfa6891]

@@staman1 Might aswell use steam market, lol

[@battousaiplays]

the cashout soon thing got me and my friends in 2019. its so blatant with it still being there its to get newcomers to the skins market. they deserve all the shit they get. thanks for this amazing video.

[@janka1053]

Did 1 trade on their site when i just got into skins, realised a couple weeks later how hard i got ripped off. They have advertisements fucking everywhere so my clueless ass thought that it must be a good site, never again.

[@handendaer]

people need to realize before ever using it tho! gj zipel

[@kris985]

It used to be good in like 2017, they used to give you a bonus if you added their name to your steam name and even anomaly endorsed them, but things have gone downhill since then

[@itemaru]

@@kris985 someone inform us about getting deposit on buff, i can't deposit cus im not from china lulw i gotta buy the balance off of someone which is a lot of work

[@Андрей-и8л6м]

Respect for an honest review. The greed of these robbers has no limits.

[@mortti361]

It's called business and dumb people are making it possible

[@Андрей-и8л6м]

@@mortti361 If this was an honest business, they would immediately indicate the values ​​of their markups for blocking. At first, they gave this information only upon request to the support service.

[@Андрей-и8л6м]

@@mortti361 And how honest is it to write on the site that the withdrawal of funds will be possible "soon" within 3 years?

[@michael2592]

@mortti361 not dumb but misinformed people when I was new to cs I almost fell for their scams

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

It's cool that you're doing these kinds of scripted videos now, they are very good. It would be cool to hear about other cs skin scams, scummy sites and others

[@Uniquel0l]

That economics degree coming in handy, this video is an actual master class in economics. Very well made

[@ep1cgamertv417]

If they whould update the prices they whould go down millions. But also keeping them high as they are now and countinuing to be so scummy, eventually they will go bankrupt or steal everybody's items. Never used them, never will!

[@Nitedontdie]

Yeah they face 2 losses, they can either lose millions by lowering prices and being less scummy and eventually earn those millions back because they saved face and did the right thing and kept the website running - OR - they can never back down and go out of business permanently because no one trusts them and they get to keep the millions but say goodbye to the millions they would have made.

[@David-dn2kv]

They used to be great 3 yrs ago

[@snooples]

new zipel upload? ✅ sleek editing, relaxing voiceover, and organized script? ✅ breaking down csmoney bit by bit to absolutely nothing? ✅ it aint christmas day yet but zipel's already spoilin us

[@MaxxerOfPepsi]

it is xmas for like 90% of the world

[@chiefff]

@@MaxxerOfPepsi no?

[@psntsn89]

Regarding the 4-20% fee I asked them about that in 2019. They had me waiting for a couple of days with me having to re tell the story each time. The 3rd time I asked I was told that they had commissions regarding tradelock, and showed a photo. I then replied that they should make that much clearer for the users instead of going through hoops to find that kind of info. They ofc never fixed that. I even did VERY basic math to make it clear to anyone that they used bad prices.

[@leonmuller4771]

Im just super surprised that so many people use this site. Thanks for the video so the people stop supporting cs money. Keep it up:)

[@TheLAD887]

Unfortunately, with a player base as large as CSgo’s there’s gunna be a considerable chunk of players who don’t know any better. A lot don’t want to use buff or don’t even know what it is all together, so stuck with sites like CS money or even skinport/baron.

[@Luir_mias]

@@TheLAD887 I feel like you guys dont know any better, you dont trade with the bots lol, you deposit your 500dollar skin there, and sell it for 900 dollars...

[@samyS2k]

Its just not right to mention them in one sentence with csmoney

[@Oliverii]

I use cs money as i trade skins, and as it is best for that. Every other site is just to buy them

[@leonmuller4771]

@@Oliverii Then you dont know about buff

[@ignoxasttmm123]

I had kara fake fire and ice, site said it was "piss ice" when there was literally almost no yellow. The support said thats how its supposed to be, when they had similar karambits listed for triple price.. said FUCK them and sold on buff for 2.5x base price

[@kaufii9977]

i remember the good old cs money times where u can snipe really good kara fades.. but for market prices :D

[@ignoxasttmm123]

Now you'd pay half sapphire price for good fade

[@Carl77778]

I really enjoy your videos, thank you for making quality and clear videos. I really appreciate that you don't sponsor gambling websites. I hope you are doing well!

[@teef7819]

4:38 whats the song name?

[@iDragy]

A little while ago i somehow managed to make a profitable trade there, my st m9 lore battle scarred was around 500€ there (215€ buff) and i traded it for a bayonet tiger tooth of 510€ (250€ buff) no clue why they paid so much for that m9 lore but hej stonks i guess

[@cc4spawn]

Intro song: Chris Rea - On the Beach, if anyone was wondering.. :)

[@demetrius96]

Thanks for this video zipel, calling out their bullshit and informing players to stop using that scam site is long due.

[@boganbattalion7088]

Hell yeah, we need videos like this as often as it happens so these sites start acting proper

[@RyanYoung-br1iz]

Thanks for making more people aware of this scummy site.

[@ThePurple1234567891]

I stoped using csmoney after trading a knife for a diffrent knife and few skins. I looked back and I traded $300 for about $260/$270

[@bababambam1]

good video. needs to get spread all over the community. well done and thx to zipel and team.

[@chadjehebej2258]

Thank you for this video, it was a honour to meet you at the Blast in Copenhagen!

[@brycekwilson5417]

just got scammed from csmoney, was trading 500$ for a ursus fn doppler p2 for my m9 bright water and some other skins for it, got yoinked from 500$ of my skins and got nothing in return, csmoney said al they could do is give me a 45% profit of putting money on it

[@keeemzj]

Great video with lots of good info Zipel, and great editing prop :]

[@marcelahernandez369]

I've spent roughly 10k on csm and have easily only $2k in skins now. Maybe less. Thats how much their cuts kept taking from my stupid ass 😭

[@actidione]

Same

[@lillexus5589]

That's crazy

[@JuanMataCFC]

excellent video! i hope this reaches atleast a few CSGO "noobs" so that they don't get sucked in by any of CSM's ads everywhere and fall for it. at the same time hopefully some TO's see this and realize they need to stop taking sponsorships from CSM until they fix most of their errors.

[@azizoghamari9654]

I've always called this out and my friends didn't believe me, one guy kept trading from a 200$ knife until he found him self with a 90$ knife and he was like "how"? ..

[@eliasskaug1279]

only reason i check up pieces on csmoney, is to check if a skin has a float add-on. i then take this float value and just add it ontop of the steam market price

[@sjeese4666]

I actually got scammed out of a knife around a year ago. The item sold on the site for around $110, because i thought i could cash out there. Then i had to use the trade function on the website losing me around $70 of the original 110$ leaving me with a whole $40......

[@wulkan3]

hello Zipel! I have one question, how much is a marble fade butterfly knife with(Red max tip) a red blade cheaper than the one with a blue one ???

[@skinshowcase7998]

Look into how they price Kato 14 crafts. They offered 7e extra for a Titan 2014 Paper, which when you check any other skin with said paper, they asked for over 50 euros.

[@Oliverii]

Probably shit position with scrapes, my titan kato on blue lam ak gives 95€ P90 IBP (Best spot) 88€

[@CS2King]

I’m glad someone made a video on it, being unable cash out and the fact that every skin is overpriced is lame

[@nekominorinya2569]

Tbh i have a butterfly slaughter because these guys didnt updated their prices once, i made big stonks on that day

[@ohnepixel_]

yeah you are completely right mr zipelo

[@laddrop6779]

Great video, can’t think of anything you could’ve done better, if there’s a darker story behind it’s owners and management that will be great to hear too

[@TheSnipingSnake]

Great video and thank you for the PSA

[@davidjohansson2102]

How the fuck

[@boboboboo9210]

How tf did you comment 11 hours ago?

[@Vativ]

@@boboboboo9210 unlisted video

[@jojomg_2806]

Thank you for the informative and unbiased opinion. I gave it a like to boost the exposure of your video. Thank you Prop for the edit as well.

[@theobeaver]

Unboxed UMP Fade a few weeks ago and almost sold on csmoney due to inflated price. Luckily did some more research and saw you couldnt cash out. Good to spread awareness of that 👍

[@samu-yx8zv]

Honestly i completely agree with every single point in the video and feel like you are completely genuine, however i still feel a disclaimer should be present at the start of the video that you are involved in a competing site

[@lopsidedcs]

His site isnt a skin trading site though it's an auction site/cashout site. Completely different.

[@zipelCS]

My site is not and never will be a competing site to cs money. It’s so so Very different. Notice how I haven’t even uploaded a video on my own site. Strategically it would be better just to make an actual video on my site instead of slandering a site that isn’t even a cash out site.

[@samu-yx8zv]

@@zipelCS yeah that makes sense

[@60secondsofstories]

Dude it was like ages ago, now everything is more than fine

[@sh0ck3d2]

3:57 what skin were you showing? When I check the butterfly it’s alread rising a lot

[@Luir_mias]

People dont know you can sell the skin first and get +40% money and then just buy the same skin with dollars u got from the sell?

[@mmm-xc8zk]

I deposted 100€ a while back thinking I could use it on their site, turns out I could only use it in "TRADE" mode which means overpaying for skins ridiculously. Luckily they refunded me in full.

[@pancakepanther4166]

Hi, i just wanted to place a sticker on a new ak i got and i saw that you could place stickers on the souvenir r8 revolver | night too, is this normal or shouldn't you be able to do that? I've looked around on the inernet and i couldn't find anything about it. I also tried it with different stickers.

[@nitsan__]

Which trading site is the best option right now? and also great video

[@Robstrap]

No idea why the site was ever even popular. Their prices were always the absolute worst

[@martingislason5885]

Thank you for this! Hope people would listen! 🙏🏾

[@-zv-]

greed always fucks up great products or services

[@benedictbroadbent1389]

This video was a banger. Cs money ripping us off really boils my blood.

[@CSGOROLL-TACTIKAL]

I have a karambit ruby with a .00680 float, where do i start to value the knife?

[@ankou765]

I found smth worth 100-110% of the actual price on csmoney (some sort of stickers) and I "cashed out" that way. Also if the stickers on an item are scraped a little (I bought items with kato15 paper, just for to use, not for reselling), it wouldnt add additional value to an item. But after all of what Ive written its still look like a big scumbag.

[@АртемкаПриветКондрат]

Happy new year, guys 🎄

[@hallomancs]

Hi, zipel! Could you please tell me , is it good option to sell my m9 tiger tooth fn 0.01 for 420 euro cash?

[@RanzSchwein]

i traded an 400$ karambit on there only got 1 50$ skin back the other skins worth about 310$ i never got

[@pagosports1924]

I’m not sure if this has to do with anything with this vid but I sent some gloves and other skins for another pair of gloves and they never sent a trade and somehow my items were gone I’m not sure how this happened but if you would know I would appreciate it

[@Twindad]

I like this video zipel, one thing in the part 2 to touch up on is that they put items as black pearl that aren’t and say 99% fade even if it’s a 97.8 or something. It’s worth looking into I was mine blown

[@nightcrawler2803]

Videos like this one is what the community desperately needs, because majority not to say all of us aren't as market smart as people like zipel and some other heavy traders are so its easy to rip us apart, and if other youtubers would expose sites like zipel did to cs money on this video then more of the community would "wake up" and stop using those sites and they'd either end up being more fair to the site users or end up losing money and get bad reviews, I'd very much appreciate if you put out part 2 soon cause this video was heavily interesting and helpful

[@hankmatusek2597]

the fact that cs money has +45 % compared to +10-15 % at the beginning of this year. theyre begging you to spend your real cash for their faux funds. fuck that shit

[@onlyfangs5091]

"the dark side" is such a good "clickbait" works everytime on me

[@trungkeeper4312]

So where should i sell my skin to get a reasonable price, any suggestion from the experienced ? my items are just in small-mid price, not so big

[@seumas9255]

Saw the Surreals NFT as your profile picture. Gotta says one of the only “PFP” collections that I actually like, in fact I love them. Hoping to get an outsider and a few more minerals soon.

[@lonestaar5710]

This just makes me so angry and disappointed. I hope this knowledge gets to as many cs players as it can. My question is - Ist this (almost) illegal? In my opinion, it wouldnt even be enough for people to stop using this site. I think this sites deserves to get a lawsuit filed agains them or something for all this - basicly scamming - they do. Nevertheless thanks for making this vid, its very usefull!

[@zipelCS]

The site is Russian, many aspects would probably be - but in Russia I’m sure it’s whatever sadly

[@ignoxasttmm123]

Its very hard to file a lawsuit for a video game skin trading site which comes from fuck knows where

[@lonestaar5710]

@@ignoxasttmm123 Yeah unfortunately you're absolutely right.

[@ryanashmoz]

soo true The prices are unrealistic for the market. you cant fall to that you see that the prices are unrealistic

[@muzan3169]

FINALLY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT IT! ty Zipel

[@mr.hackerman9144]

Quick question, how much would a mw night ops usp with three optic gaming cologne 2016 foils and one holo?

[@Oliverii]

3$

[@jakeyoung2451]

I just pulled a 0.20 ft lore m9 bayonet and I have no idea what to do with it steam market has them from 600-1100 dollars. I barely play the game and was opening cases I had for shits and gigs. I have no idea what to do.

[@TorontoDrivers416]

Now I know how they can sponsor soo many tournaments. They're using money thats not theirs.

[@FemboyMauriceTV]

Good to see someone has the balls to talk about it

[@mateineagu5896]

The only reason they are still in business is because there are a lot of users with funds stuck in their platform. Disgusting on their part.

[@Julius-vt8fm]

I couldn’t agree more with you. But what site should we trade on?

[@Cuebeec]

I suppose the biggest problem is the lack of options for inexperienced people

[@Michael-dj6pd]

That and that they are supported by so many event organisers and the biggest teams in the esports scene

[@GregBooker-dk8ol]

if you compare prices through price empire, then csmoney prices are very competitive. as far as I know, the bonus artificially inflated prices, but it was fixed

[@ajmax2033]

Soo what site people should use to quickly Exchange skins? Are there any safe ones ?

[@alonemusk9201]

Which map is this and why does everyone use this for skin reviews?

[@costykyo]

i have been waiting to see this for so long GG

[@_fd]

They also had giveaways where they just didn't give out prizes

[@tomppuli]

This is so true. I lost 600€ when trading my skins and I was shocked when I noticed it. Felt like I was scammed big time.

[@kailenkailen]

I'm confused, if you can withdraw money on cash shouldn't the items be worth more?

[@marcelahernandez369]

how this video only has 40k views is astonishing. This shit should have 1 mil!!

[@dannydevito4338]

I would welcome a new AO rating (adult-only) for CS Go if we could just bet/trade skins like we used to be able to do. You could get way more for your skins and it was better for literally everyone, mostly valve. Then some twelve year old who stole mommy’s credit card ruined it for everyone. Imagine being able to bet on matches again (like you can do with quite literally any other major sport) like the Lounge days. The active player count would triple, at least. They have the Golden Goose and they’re just pissing it away.

[@blest5132]

$1k for the sand dune is a deal

[@kacperek5579]

Do you guys know any other site where i can trade ma all skins for a knife?

[@stanthorizon3222]

I think there is cash out but I remember being a monthly subscription.

[@arfa9601]

Great content. Not sure if their business model can survive expansion without such outrageous policies. They might have grown to large for their mode capacity.

[@majesticdad1008]

What's so annoying is that we expect these companies to make money as they are running a business afterall, I just hope when they get too greedy they get burned and everyone bails

[@Michael-dj6pd]

The amount of funds they can spend on advertising ( almost on all the tier 1 tournaments) should tell you they make big money.

[@GroaNz]

Just had a look on there tonight and seen a FN Stattrack WormGod 114% above market price. Shits wild

[@hanskreisler2007]

But where can I trade my skins for good and fair prices?

[@gabekozelle9234]

So what is a good it’s to use to sell my knife for cash then?

[@ibayazitov]

there no reason in +40% on deposit, when the skins on site usually +50%-100% more expensive than steam market.

[@am91d90]

Does anyone know when is csgo sticker capsule sale ending?

[@mrbruh6687]

what's the song at 1:16

[@desolatecs]

Excellent video. Great analysis, should definitely help many inexperienced traders.

[@jakehays8926]

Thanks for the usp

[@tiboo6669]

Thank you for your video. Not all hero wear capes !!

[@tailorr03]

im so glad you made this video, so much ppl are getting scammed by cs money

[@shjuicer]

They offered me a M9 autotronic for my butterfly Doppler phase 2 with a difference of close to $600 LMAO

[@aux1sta897]

I once wanted to buy some skins there and make use of their "30% bonus", so I sent approx. 100$ thinking I'll get 130$ on my balance and maybe get some profit. That didn't happend since my balance stayed at 0$ and I got my money back after 1 month of spamming theit customer support. During the payment an error message showed up saying that there was an issue with my credit card. They are getting free loans from people for free... just another thing to add to this list lol

[@deekayy3222]

What are the sites that you recommend for trading and maybe grabbing a few decent deals?

[@ignoxasttmm123]

Honestly just sell on buff (even for buy order) and withdraw what you want. Only lose 2.5% fee. There is absolutely not a single site in existance where you won't lose money trading

[@Oliverii]

Csm is best so why change