The Dark Side of Plug-In Hybrids - What They Don’t Tell You! Watch This Before Going Plugin Electric

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[@rncondie]

We own two Rav 4 Primes 2021. We have 44,000 miles over 4 years on one. Degradation has been about 10% over 4 years. In gasoline even with the extra 1,000 lbs our fuel economy is just as good as our previous hybrid Rav 4 2019 due to the larger battery capturing more regenerative braking and going down hills. I have charged our one Rav 4 2,000 plus times. I charge twice a day (work and home) and we only gas up every 6 months. The charge is free at work and .12 cents per kWh at home using my level 2 charger. I figure the 56 miles round trip cost me about .70 cents. Works for our needs.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@rncondie you cannot explain this to mentally challenged people. I also have rav4 prime xse tech package for 3 years and love it.

[@bmw803]

How can it have degraded so much? My 2015 VOLT still gets over 40 miles in optimal conditions. Degradation is not even noticeable. BUT, since it has a Chevy logo, many ignorant will automatically call it crap.

[@martinbolz5657]

@@bmw803I’ve had several coworkers and friends that have owned/ still Chevy Volts and they loved them! I was seriously considering buying one but bought a 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV , currently at 150k miles and running great, during my 100 mile round trip commute averaging between 80-90 mpg that’s with free charging at work and charging at home of course!

[@hobartspitz1029]

Be sure to replace the 12 volt battery when needed. I replaced mine after 5 years and my highway MPG went from 65 to 80. The car was diverting electricity to charging the 12 volt battery that wasn't holding the charge.

[@djmiau_mx]

AMAZING! You somehow managed to present a problem for every solution.

[@Christophe.C]

This guy will find a problem even if you're riding a horse!

[@Adreiaun]

But horses are dangerous...lol

[@barnalisarkar3248]

​@@Adreiaun😂

[@barnalisarkar3248]

I agree with you but still its a bit technical and their are issues with ICE car still we use them. Similarly we need to know both pros and cons of everything before making any decision.

[@PamenterDoug]

My 2021 Niro PHEV is awesome! Truly the best of both worlds. No it is not a race car but the dual clutch transmission with sport mode is efficient and fun to drive. It has driver’s seat memory is power adjustable. Plus the front seats are heated and ventilated and full leather seats all around. The car is easy to get in and out of both front and rear seats, and easy to park and drive around the city, very solid on the highway, with lots of space in the back, plus roof racks and cross bars. I like the regular sunroof (not pano), and the understated styling helps this very cool car blend in. I added on a block heater for winter and rain guards for summer. The regular tinted windows are perfect. The sixteen inch wheels give a better ride and fuel economy than the larger wheels. The intelligent cruise control is my favourite feature. The dual zone AC is great and I like having buttons to push. The dual digital instrument panels give a ton of programmable information and again… blend in. Not like other cars that have an iPad stuck on the dash… I could go on, but you get the picture.

[@Flying-Tampon]

Your comments are essentially correct But, Toyota have been making PHEVs since 2012 & I’ve a 2019. It still achieves 46kms on battery as specified when new. I’d expect some degradation. I’m of the opinion Toyota have installed ‘smarts’ to have the LiIon battery operate in the 80-20% charge/discharge sweet spot. You can also charge my PHEV on the run.

[@jaspen8181]

We have had three Ford C-Max plug-ins. Range anxiety is none-existent due to the ICE engine being easily refueled. On long trips, we get mid to high 40's gas mileage. For in town errands, a $2.00 over night charge handles a day of running errands. We still have two years of a 10 year battery warranty, and the computer shows our normal driving range at 22 miles on battery. Resale value is about $2000 less than it cost us in 2017. Only oil changes, one set of tires, and a brake job since purchase.

[@carlsmith1118]

@jaspen8181 A large full size luxury automobile which Tesla doesn't even make, 3 minutes of fueling for a range of 570 miles, paid off at 41K and more than a pleasure to drive. Love my jaguar XJL....

[@craigfuller1424]

Im averaging 101 mpg on my chevy volt. 2014 with 120k miles. Love it.

[@bmw803]

Gen1 VOLT is like a tank. Feels like you're driving a truck. Excellent handling, stability and the quality is very good. Also the engineering behind the system was WAY AHEAD of its time. Prius is a good car too, but like a cardboard box compared to VOLT.

[@JohnHarrison-yp8vz]

I have a Volvo PHEV, and drive it mostly in the pure (battery only) mode. When I checked today and was getting 62 mpg. I have a level 2 charging station at home and it takes about 4 hours to fully recharge. 455 hp gives it plenty of power if I need it.

[@advisorsandy2068]

Don't take anything from this article as fact. You must do your own research and make a judgement based on your needs .Good advice ÷use multiple sources and be aware of those with a biased agenda.

[@derek1147d]

Toyota prius was running for 17 years and over 400 k miles😊

[@drewdevon2009]

bro that prius was made when hybrids were an option. now they are barely an option, reliability will be a fraction of what it was

[@dachee]

If I am not wrong, Toyota has stopped EV production.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@drewdevon2009 Toyota hybrids today deliver the same liability and longevity. And more fuel efficiency than older Toyota hybrids

[@Gats8479]

For 17years are you sure that there's no spare parts to be change for your Toyota Prius.

[@carlsmith1118]

I always liked the Prius. One reason why I never got one, they're to small for me. I like a large full size luxury automobile. Love my full size luxurious jaguar XJL and the 570 miles of range it offers. Great for long distance traveling...

[@Violincase]

I thought I was interested in this subject until the inevitable text-to-speech robot bored me to sleep 😴👎

[@joselitostotomas8114]

I've been driving a Kia Niro PHEV since 2022. I only drive 6 miles to and from work. I normally take weekend trips just to exercise the gas engine; I'd not use it otherwise. Having a Phase 2 charger is essential. I also have solar panels in my house, so I'm using free electricity. Swapping out the battery pack may become necessary in 5 years' time, but that's fine.

[@PamenterDoug]

I have a 2021 Niro PHEV and love it. “They” can bash them all they want. I love my car!

[@jamesfranco6723]

Battery degradation on PHEVs is real. I saw the degradation of my plug-in hybrid battery after 5 years. Dealer did not want to replace the battery under warranty and it took me 5 visits to the dealership until they finally did it. Now the battery performs as good as when the vehicle was new. But I won't buy another PHEV to avoid this hassle.

[@1hjehje]

I consider myself to be a frugal spender and I typically wait for a technology to prove itself, and decrease or stabilize in price, prior to making a decision to purchase. I see bold statements, often monthly, announcing game changing battery chemistry breakthroughs. Many of these announcements seem to be little more than "click bait" that never see the light of day, but a significant change in battery chemistry will most certainly cause the resale price of used EVs / PHEVs to plummet overnight. Few are interested in purchasing outdated technology unless the price is extremely low. Finally, I am not interested in purchasing a vehicle that could cause a potential fire hazard.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

Gas cars catch fire far more commonly than any EV/PHEV. Stop watching Fox.

[@Gr8Passion4Music]

One thing that is important to consider is that if unlike a hybrid that will get charged on it's own, you got to externally charge your PHEV then where are the savings then? You will have to pay the extra electricity bill! Had it charged by running the engine only and then provided fuel savings by giving a longer milage range then it would've been more worthwhile.

[@jairuslau7280]

If one drives on gas, distance, the weight, batteries, of the vehicle matters. Less fuel efficiency and greater tyre wear.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@jairuslau7280 that is bs on Toyota phev. If you are retarded and first drive ev mode to deplete battery completely and than drive hundreds of miles in hybrid mode. Than you got the point. But I plan my trip. I always start the trip with battery fully charged. I drive in hybrid mode on higher speeds and drive ev mode in city and slower roads. I would use ev mode for the last section of my road trip. In that way my battery helps the fuel efficiency the whole trip and my fuel consumption is much less than hauling empty battery.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

Less fuel efficient ? Our 2024 Prime SE goes close to 60 miles in EV Mode. In Hybrid Mode on the highway we get 60+ mpg. Please, refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@TomLawlor-iq6gm actually if you calculate mpg on the gas tank or yearly mpg my rav4 phev gets over 100mpg. And rear tires that are still stock has 40.000 miles on them. This video is a horse sh*t. Don't take it personal

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@goranjurkovic6796 This video is worse than horse shit, it's misinformation. Plain and simple. Another desperate ply by the oil industry. We really are not too concerned with the hybrid milage, even though gas here currently costs $6.75 a gallon. Because, after 5,600+ miles, we have used just 2 tanks of fuel. And, we'll make sure that continues. We both know how sensible a PHEV is compared to either a BEV or straight-up ICE.

[@joselitostotomas8114]

That's true if you don't charge the battery. A lot of people either can't or won't charge the battery when they bought a PHEV hybrid. They can't because they live in an apartment and there's no place close enough to charge the battery. They won't because they have a house that doesn't have a 100 amp circuit and they don't want the expense of upgrading the electrical circuits or the extra cost of installing a phase 2 charger. I have a next-door neighbor who has a 2019 Pacifica and didn't know about installing a Phase 2 charger. You have to plug the 100v charger overnight to fully charge the battery pack.

[@johnkeen2345]

Horses for courses....depends on how you will use a PHEV. If you don't have charging at home or work, don't bother. I had a Ford Kuga / Escape for 3 years and filled the petrol tank about 6 times. Even when the battery was at zero, it still works as a hybrid and was getting 45 -55 mpg.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We have a 2024 Prius Prime. It now has 10,300 Km (6,437.5 miles), on the OD. In accumulating that distance, we have burned just two tanks of fuel, and the tank volume is only 10.6 gallons. So, said in another way, we have visited a gas pump twice in six months after the dealers "free" tank was spent. On the second visit, we pumped just $ 10 worth of gas, just in case we need to roll out of town. To say we're pleased is an understatement. Regular gas here is around $ 6.75 per gallon, yet hydro is at $0.15 Kwh. The car delivers 60+mpg in hybrid mode when the Traction Battery is drained. This PHEV is the answer.

[@ontheridge2019]

I just saw that video about electric cars in China, about how it is often more expensive to charge per mile than gas. They said it was cheaper at first, but then the cost of charging went up and now there is also a service fee added, and they can't understand what the service fee is for since they plug it in themselves. They feel like they've been cheated and lied to.

[@robertkubrick3738]

The service fee is for the charger to be there at all with someone rebooting it when it goes wrong. Chargers don't just sprout up for free and they are computerized and need to be rebooted occasionally. I always wondered why they didn't program to automatically reboot at midnight or something rather than have a tech go out and reboot them (after being down a few days) as happens in the USA. I guess the Battery car and charger builders aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

[@jaysphere7519]

​@@robertkubrick3738and wait till they impose every other charges to it then you'll be a proud EV owner

It can be that in the USA too, depending where you live. Before my son got solar panels in California, he was paying about $0.36/kwh. In southwest Washington I pay $0.079/kwh. If I charge at a station, I think it's over $0.40/kwh. IF you do not charge at home, go ICE or just hybrid

[@johnkeepin7527]

I’ve been running a non-plug in hybrid for over 7 years now. My pattern of use does not really justify opting for a plug-in, which are all larger models than mine. As item that is not on your list though is the potential risk of not burning fuel quickly enough in PHEVs, given the “shelf life” of modern E10 petrol (gasoline). Most reliable sources quote it as being only 3 months, if stored in correct conditions. After that, there is a risk of accumulating some water/ethanol mix at the bottom of the tank, then eventually failing due to an attempt t burn it. Perhaps if you use a PHEV with limited petrol use you might be better off paying for top of the range E5 fuel; undermines the idea of introducing E10 environmentally, but there it is. The underlying issue is the fact that ethanol tends to be water prevalent, compared with petroleum, so in the presence of moisture, say in a partly empty tank in humid conditions, guess where the ethanol is going to go. The density of a water/ethanol mixture is higher than that of the rest of the fuel, so it ends up at the bottom.

[@skeli8600]

This video sounds a bit like fear-mongering and exaggerating negative aspects. I have been driving PHEVs for years and they perfectly serve my lifestyle. They have their ups and downs, but so do ICE cars. I do see extra weight and drivetrain complexity a shortfall, however so far the benefits outweigh them.

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

As an EV owner I can concur. The hate from the ICE community is just retarded. Different cars for different folks is just fine.

[@johnbehneman1546]

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[@ronmorrell9809]

My 2017 Chevrolet Volt gets measured (odometer distance divided by gas pump volume) = 35 mpg driving cross country twice yearly. The remaining 48 weeks per year, we use 8 gallons of gasoline to keep the gasoline engine seals lubricated and replace stale gasoline. Days we forget to recharge are included in lubrication events. After 85,000 miles, faults have been failure of the entertainment system, and of the shift lever mechanism shared with Malibu and Impala ICE cars. My only maintenance is oil changes every 24 months, according to the owner's manual and car's oil monitor. No 10-speed transmission, just a single planetary gear set with electric motors guaranteed100,000 miles.

------------------------------------------------------------------My 2019 premier Volt at 60 mph gets 45 mpg (I'm 90, and drive on interstates at 60. Battery with over 5 years old shows 16.0 kwh and did 64 miles on battery at 55 mph. I had a 2017 Volt premier, but did $9,000 damage, did not fix, but son drives it to work daily without repairs. I drive in "hold" mode on interstates & "ready" city or slower traffic. 19 has 36,000

[@beautyofgrace3915]

Love my 2018 Chevy Volt, just bought it in April, hybrids are blend of both worlds. I go to the gas station about once a month, only pay about $20 to fill up.

[@JohnpaulBirindwa]

Man, this guy!!! Let me just say that nothing is built to last. Everything cost money. I think Plug in hybrid is just a hybrid with big battery and big electric motors to help you to go far and faster compared to a regular hybrid that you can only go slower and shorter range yet still enjoy the EV feels. If you don’t want to be a slave to a charging station PHEV can still operate fully like a regular car with gas or electricity!

[@jianbinchen2881]

The Dark Side of Plug-In Hybrids is i dont have one.

[@krzysztofpoznan5226]

What about thermal runaway? I would be afraid of burning down my house. I have a garage inside the house

[@tonyfairey5224]

I have owned my PHEV for almost a year. Zero problems home charging in my garage under the house. Petrol is just as much a risk!

[@LCLand]

@@tonyfairey5224no. Gas cars don’t spontaneously combust in garages. Lithium is volatile and may

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@LCLand Ask The Insurance people, fires with ICE cars are far more common than with EV's.

[@LCLand]

@@TomLawlor-iq6gm not the point

[@Snerdles]

Just make sure the vehicle you buy uses LiFePo batteries instead of NMC/Polymer. If you were concerned you probably already know that though, since you would have actually looked in to it.

[@BillMcConnell-u3z]

I have driven hybrid for over 20 years. You seem to suggest that when the PHEV battery is depleted you are back to a gasoline engine. Untrue. You revert to a HYBRID powertrain with all the efficiencies that implies.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

The extreme lack of knowledge most Americans have about PHEV's also explains why (HOW), trump will resume office next month. Jesus Christ.

[@geofwassell]

Using public charging for most PHEVs in UK is far more expensive than filling the car with petrol. Home charging is cheaper than filling with petrol.

[@randsipe224]

it’s a fallacy that PHEVs are less efficient on Long trips. Fuel consumption is typically no worse than a similar gas car because A. Your starting out with some electric range and B. You’re getting significant battery regeneration from normal slowing down and breaking as you drive. It’s true that if you only drive long distances and never charge your battery you may as well buy a cheaper gas car. That’s kind of a no brained. PHEVs, however , are going to save a ton of money over a gas car if you are mostly doing short commutes and charge at home. And don’t forget the $7,500 tax credit that can bring the price of a PHEV close to parity with gas only car.

[@Untouchable_worldwide]

There is nothing revolutionary about EVs..

[@bmw803]

Other that stoopidity.

[@Carrier2408]

My EV works for me and my family. We have solar panels on our house so our electric bill is $16 a month! I use a level 2 charger at home.

[@jaysphere7519]

How much does it cost to install the solar panel and it's yearly maintenance.?. What's the life cycle of the solar panel?. What's the overall cost of ownership?.

[@ChewyDickens]

Depends on how many panels that you want, and can fit on the southern exposure on your roof. I got 23 six foot tall panels for $32k in Raleigh, and paid off the interest-free loan by the 12 month interest free part expired. My home value jumped by $32k, and so will my neighbors, when we sell. panels live about 25 years, the garage mounted inverter has a 10 yr warranty, so it's probably going to last 10.1 years. Lol 0:32

[@max-xm8go]

I own one, great car! Been running for 5 years with no problems. Would I buy another one, yes , as most electric cars made today are too expensive and does not have the range as my Toyota 500+KS.

[@quartytypo]

What is a hybrid going to do that an all gas car can't do, except complicate the drive train.

[@Antiguan_Dart]

Supposed to increase fuel economy as supplements the gas engine and supposed to reduce emissions as the vehicle burns less fuel for any given number of miles compared to an ICE if kept charged. And cheaper to buy than a full BEV. However I see the EV benefit of a PHEV being compromised - the smaller battery means upto 10 times more frequent charging than a full BEV! The smaller battery means battery degradation is more of an issue. Typically batteries have a fully charged/fully discharge life span 2000-3000 cycles if NMC but a smaller battery means you are eating through those charge/discharge cycles more quickly. The low maintenance advantage of an EV is lost as you have the even more complex nature of an added petrol drive train. I can understand the appeal of a cheaper cost than a full BEV if looking to buy new. But to be honest I’ve been driving a BEV purchased outright for 2 years now and my advice to friends and colleagues is if buying now NOT to buy new a good quality well featured BEV new is simply too expensive and depreciates too quickly to be affordable to the general public in the UK. I bought mine with a windfall. I would suggest buying used and given only 14.4% of the cars on UK roads are 0-3 years old it seems that is what people are doing. So if buying used buy a BEV to gain all the benefits unless the charging landscape in your particular neck of the woods really is that poor. In actuality with only 850 miles north to south on the UK mainland if one is getting 250 miles from their EV and got a fast charging EV that’s only 3 stops max to drive the length of the country. And you may be starting from home with 100% SOC so if the round trip is less than 250 miles no charging stops needed. And chargers are now all over the trunk roads of the UK- 8 353 petrol stations 32,300 public charging sites ( Zap Map May 2024). With a well chosen EV typically ultra rapid charging in the time frame of a short comfort break (18-30 minutes). Where’s the down side? The premium p/kWh price of motorway trunk road chargers can be mitigated with subscriptions which give discounts (sign up during the summer when road tripping cancel during the winter) or venture off the trunk road slightly to access better tariffs or simply take it on the chin knowing it’s for only part of your journey and is off-set by fantastic home tariffs or more reasonable local community tariffs ( Co-charge/Plug Share) if you don’t have home charging.

[@bmw803]

Toyota and GM have clearly demonstrated that if built properly a PHEV can last without major problems. Ask Erick Belmer about his 2012 VOLT that has over 500,000 miles. Many 1st Gen Priuses still running.

[@warringtonminge4167]

The only battery my cars need is a 12v lead acid one to start the engine. After that the engine automatically generates a) its own motive power, b) all the electric power needed for luxuries like engine spark plugs, indicators, lights, wipers, HVAC, instruments etc. and then some. And still in my ICEs in all weathers I get guaranteed 400-500 miles range in one hop (depending which one I use) followed by a 100% range fill-up that takes a guaranteed maximum duration of 4 or 5 minutes however many other cars are also filling up at the same time at the same "recharging" location. Show me the EV that can do that. Name just one. I'll wait. Plus I can keep a gallon can or a 5-gallon jerry in the boot (trunk 🇺🇲) in case I run out. Can any electric keep a gallon of electricity in the boot? (Trick question: of course it can as long as it's a petrol powered generator to get you out of the shit you've dumped yourself in by buying any electric.)

[@patrickchubey3127]

Plus using your heat / air conditioner kills your range, not to mention the insurance costs. An EV would also cost me more in insurance premiums than it would save me in gasoline on a yearly basis.

[@gerrymaines2633]

@warringtonminge4167 the article is not about ev's...a Phev is totally different.

[@warringtonminge4167]

@@gerrymaines2633 yes I know but the electric element of PHEV means electric traction motors, additional transmission mechanicals, and big batteries added to the ICE mechanicals plus all the wiring and incidentals. This all adds weight that consumes energy to move them around. I've driven one for work, barely got out of the yard after an overnight charge to 100% before the battery was spent and the ICE kicked in. Hybrids certainly overcome the range problems of BEVs because all marketing bullshit apart they're basically an ICE with frills but _except for short local journeys/commutes_ *ONLY* , in terms of saving the planet then existing ICEs are far less damaging than the headlong rush over the cliff that the present EV technology can offer, whether that's.BEV or PHEV.

[@loudesocio3600]

@@patrickchubey3127 no true i have a phav and have had it for 17 months. my insurance did not go up. i get 60 miles to a electric charge. i have my car serviced at the same cost of an ice.

[@patrickchubey3127]

warringtonminge and I were talking about EVs, not phevs.

[@codincoman9019]

SCH (self charging hybrids) are the best of both worlds (ICE cars and BEV) because they have a very efficient ICE (usually in the Atkinson cycle) and a small battery that doesn't need to be plugged in as it is being charged when you brake or coast, recovering most of the kinetic energy that would otherwise get lost and that would deteriorate faster your brake pads, rotors, arms etc. Moreover, having a small hybrid battery allows for not having the starter, the alternator, the start/stop sh!t etc. Because the main purpose of the SCH is to save energy and reuse it for extra-performance, saving costs and ensuring reliability (Consumer Reports annual reliability survey placed SCH as the most reliable segment, opposite to the unreliable PHEV and BEV). I do recommend the hybrids from Toyota/Lexus, the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) will be small (top) while the reliability will be high (top again). While the PHEV are the worse of both worlds, having a bigger weight, with a bigger battery that has to be carried at all times, just like for a BEV. The only thing better for PHEV vs. BEV is the lack of range anxiety, but you still have the pollution, the dangerousness, the big TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) due yo the huge cost of replacing the battery, the unreliability etc. Still, if you insist on a PHEV, at least buy something like a reliable Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@codincoman9019 you didn't try rav4 phev. It is quantum leap from hybrids just as the second generation prius was back in the days. It is all bs with the weight. It is the best from both worlds. It acts as bev for every day usage without range anxiety. In the end my yearly mpg is about 150 mpg. Can your rav4 hev do that? And when fully charged and ice warmed up it is quick as hell. It is the quickest Toyota to 60 and quarter mile not counting bmw supra.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We have had two regular Prius hybrid cars (over 16 years), and they are great. However, neither could drive more than 2 Km on battery alone. Each car averaged 4.4 Km per 100 Km (53+mpg), year round. Marvelous milage for sure. But, we got our new Prius Prime PHEV six months ago. You do realize that a Prime is no different from a "normal" Prius right? It just has a bigger Traction Battery (13.6kwh), than the non-Prime's under 1 kwh battery. That bigger battery in the Prime makes a massive difference. After 9,097 Km (5,685+ miles), we have burned two tanks of fuel. That's 21.2 gallons in total. What were you saying about pollution........ . In EV Mode our Prime gets very close to 100 Km (62+ miles) in summer. With zero emissions, all our hydro is generated without fossil fuel. Gas here is currently $6.75 a gallon. We can drive our car for a fraction of what it would cost for the same distance with gas. In hybrid mode, the car exceeds 60 mpg, largely due to it's bigger battery, one that can self charge a lot more than the regular Prius so it adds more assistance to the ICE. The Traction Battery is guaranteed for ten years. So, after that time if there is significant degradation we can either replace it ($3,000), or, do nothing because the car will still give excellent mpg as a hybrid with a much larger battery. TCO ? The car cost $6,000 more than a regular Prius, but, we received $5,000 in rebates from our government leaving $1,000 in up-front extra cost over a regular Prius. In six months we have saved almost $618.90 in gas purchases. Our PHEV manual only recommends an oil change once a year because the engine seldom runs. I estimate that alone saves us $300+ a year. We don't expect to do any brake work on our Prime for at least ten to twelve years (just like our first two Prius cars).

[@alexalex13131]

If I'm going to be burdened carrying a huge lithium battery in my car I wouldn't want it next to a super hot combustion engine.

[@randsipe224]

@@alexalex13131 it’s under the rear passenger seat, no where near the engine and about the same distance away as a tank full of gasoline which is statistically far more likely to catch fire. people worry about batteries catching fire yet you carry a mobile phone in their pocket, right next to their derrière. Fortunately electric car fires and burned asses are both quite rare.

[@LCLand]

@@randsipe224yet far more deadly than phone fire. And spontaneously combust for months unlike gas

[@bellytripper-nh8ox]

​@@randsipe224TIHS FO LLUF ERA UOY

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@LCLand Ya, Bet the Fox logo is burned onto your TV screen. And, worse, into your tiny brain.

[@TheWobblyFace]

I have had my PHEV KIA Nero 5 years now, gave it a lot of thought before purchase and I'm more than happy with the way it has gone. This will SELF CHARGE as you drive. Short journeys all electric, long ones on gas without range anxiety. Yes you are carrying more weight than ICE so less miles per gallon and same on all electric less miles per kwh but combined.........I've averaged 149.1 miles per gallon in my 5 years of ownership, unfortunately it doesn't give miles per kwh. One downside that hasn't been mentioned ....... less boot/trunk space than both ice and ev though not an issue to me. I've only ever plugged in at home as charging infrastructure here in the UK is still chaotic and pricing all over the place. As for battery degradation ... not noticed any so must be absolute minimal. Servicing costs has been similar to ice so far. I'm still on original tyres and brakes. My next vehicle will be an ev long range.

[@bellytripper-nh8ox]

Prove 149 MPH. DATA SHEETS TO BACK UP YOUR TIHSLLUB CLAIM??

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

Where are you getting "more weight than ICE so less miles per gallon". We have had two regular Prius cars with a Traction Battery under 1 kwh that delivered 52+ mpg on average, year round. Our 2024 Prius Prime with it's 13.6 kwh battery drives us almost 100km in EV. When that's exhausted, the car furnishes over 60mpg in hybrid mode. It has not only a bigger engine (with more than double the horse-power), but the far heaver battery. But better gas milage. Oh, it does 0-60 in 6.48.

[@johnmckinlay9538]

Degrading of the PHEV battery can be postponed by keeping the battery charged between 20 to 80% or 30 to 70% for better results according to European experts.

[@johnbehneman1546]

THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER. A PHEV IS MORE PROBLEMS TO WORRY ABOUT.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

Yeah if you buy audi or Mercedes. Buy yourself a Toyota or Lexus.

[@dayoadeosun1520]

Toyota and Lexus are the only hybrid and PHEV manufacturers that I would recommend. They are reliable and cost less to own than gas/ev

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@dayoadeosun1520 Toyota-Lexus (p)hev only deliver real life fuel efficiency. Others use phev only as avoiding fleet carbon taxation

[@ronmorrell9809]

A-a-h, the simplicity of a 10-speed transmission or the reliability of a JATCO CVT.

[@goranjurkovic6796]

@@ronmorrell9809 actually Toyota hybrids (both fhev and phev) are the most reliable cars in the world. The so called e-cvt is the most reliable gearbox in the world with zero maintenance and with the best efficiency

[@goranjurkovic6796]

I have rav4 prime (phev) for 3 years now and the best decision I have ever made. I would consider only Tesla performance for second car for mid life crisis 😂

[@patrickchubey3127]

Long time mechanic Scotty Kilmer doesn't like hybrids. I trust a mechanic a lot more than I trust a salesman.

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

Scotty is a really old and needs to retire. Technology has passed him by and he fails his explanation of EVs in so many videos. He is just clickbait for EV haters at this point. There are plenty of real pictures of people hating on cars in favour of horses from the turn of the last century. People get more and more set in their ways as they get older. It’s just how we are as a species.

[@ricardoneto7789]

Yes Scotty is old school. Technology has evolved since his time.

[@marktoymeister151]

Uhh, Scotty recommends the RAV4 PHEV as one of the best SUVs available.

[@bmw803]

​@@marktoymeister151Scotty will talk shit about anything that's not Toyota. So, he's biased. Meaning, you can't take him seriously. Between a Prius and a VOLT, the VOLT is a far better ride quality, interior, etc. Prius is definitely a good car, but like a cardboard box. Toyota did an excellent job with Hybrids and GM did just as good with PHEV. Hope their new PHEVs will be as good as the VOLT.

[@speedboxx]

Battery degradation on a PHEV will likely be accelerated compared to EVs due to the fact you're cycling the cells more often. Lithium ion lasts the longest by doing shallow cycles and by keeping it between 20-70% charged. So eventually the hybrid system will just be dead weight.

[@victorsc66]

So the batteries and gasoline combo should make one hell of explosion.

[@kevinoneill41]

So this thing can't even recharge it's self. What's the point?

[@hugolutsch2687]

Doch, Plugins können durch fahren und bremsen sich laden. Ich habe eins und ich sage dir was: er redet nur Schwachsinn, nichts ist war

[@bmw803]

Because a PHEV is technically an EV with a gas assistant. Some PHEV have the ability to charge as you drive, but sometimes it's not worth it due to lower fuel economy.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@bmw803 You are completely incorrect. Our 2024 Prime will carry us very close to 100Km in EV Mode, every day. If the Traction Battery runs out, the hybrid mode delivers over 60mpg. In hybrid mode, the larger battery capacity really helps in recovery of ALL kinetic energy. After 10,300 Km we have spent just two tanks worth of gas. Lower fuel economy, I don't think so.

[@stevem7508]

Every other reason why I stay away from forced government crap..

[@drewdevon2009]

you wont have a choice unfortunately

[@tswong6426]

​@@drewdevon2009 that's true I have until 2030 to drive the love of my life ICE car 😢

[@randsipe224]

@@stevem7508 the fact you are able to “ stay away from forced government crap” does not sound very much like your being forced into anything.

[@codincoman9019]

​@@tswong6426, false. The ICE cars can be purchased till 2030/2035, but they can be still driven unless the new Nazis will forbid them.

[@Kevin-Murphy-007]

No ev junk for this guy ever. I am 55 and have owned many gas powered cars since I was 16,you can keep your garbage ev junk, bomb 💣 on wheels, government over reach and control for your life. Plus I know how to make fuel out of manure so don't sit there and tell me how you're going to turn off the oil,I know lots of ways around that. And the same thing for the open air prison, 15 minute cities, i moved as far away from these garbage dump cities and towns as possible. 6 miles back a dirt road,no street lights, no traffic, no nosey neighbors and no homeless because of the bears and cougars and coyotes. Paradise. Good luck society. 👍.

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

So you never tried an EV and have no idea what they can and cannot do for yourself. Thanks for sharing your illiteracy about EVs I guess. The rest of don’t live in a bunker waiting for the end of the world.

[@jaysphere7519]

​@Alopen-xb1rb and you can keep your sheet and psychotic EV and enjoy then in the dumpster cities of yours.

[@Kevin-Murphy-007]

@Alopen-xb1rb i don't live in fear of anything. I live free. The government does not own me. I do as i please. I am a free thinking and speaking person just like everyone else and I dislike a tyrant government that dictates to me on how i can live my life. Nope. Not today satan. If you want to obey the government, give er. Not me. Never.

[@Mike-bi7kb]

I have had a Alfa Romeo Tonale Sprint PHEV EAWD for 15 months. Charge it after every time I drive it. I have gotten up to 83 kilometers off the 14.8 kilowatt battery in city driving, usually around 75 kilometers, and it only costs me 11 cents/kilowatt hour Canadian to charge it. None of what you talked about concerns me. There are advantages and disadvantages for every mode of transportation you can buy. What ever turns your crank, and are willing to live with. No different then some people driving pickup trucks, SUVs or sedans.

[@jamesstovell7617]

Another con ? keep your diesel cars

[@randsipe224]

Most auto manufacturers warranty their batteries, Toyota guarantees their batteries to provide no less than 70% of capacity for 8 years or 100,000 mile whichever comes first. While they only warranty their engines for 3 years or 30,000 miles. 70% 8 years or 100,000 is in fact required required of all EV, PHEV, Hybrid batteries by US law. Other companies do even better. Tesla offers 70% for 8 years or 150,000 miles. Rivian 70% for 8 years and 175,000 miles. Kia/ Hyundai have a 70% 10 year 100,000 mile warranty one of the best in the industry. Consider that it can easily cost $10,000 to replace an engine in a gas car and that PHEVs electric drive is significantly less prone to failure and takes much of the burden off the gas engine. Factor in the gas savings with many PHEVs rated at 50 mpg. The gas savings alone over 8 years and you could pay for a new battery several times over, that is if you wanted to keep the car beyond the 8 years or 100,000 miles.

[@jaysphere7519]

Then make sure even the poor ones can afford the EVs. You can't, can't you. Cause the ICE us cheap enough even for the poor. EV is a rich man's car.

[@xplorefurther]

The first two minutes basically tell you the problem you will face from pure EV or pure gas vehicles. Not particularly for PHEV

[@keangfamily]

PHEV and EV are designed to cut air pollution by 15% to 25% not to replace internal combustion engine. Many people didn’t see that and blamed on our government. These people can drive ICE vehicles if they wanted to. EV is my choice and loved it for my 98% driving to work and drive around town.

[@Dihorse371]

You are just talking plug in Hybrids that's available in US.

[@terencechuo2183]

Plug in EV is, the way to go.

[@randyandtheretreads3144]

This is the most objective and balanced (pros and cons) presentation I have seen. Well done! I will reconsider buying a PHEV

Randy: This article is totally bigoted. I'm on my 4th plug in, and find/found the Chevrolet Volt much better than the Toyota Prius (all PHEV). Luckily totaled the Prius 2011 and found a used 2013 Volt/less miles/like new with the other guys insurance. Gave the 2013 Volt to my son years ago and he's over 100,000 miles, loves it. We are both engineers except at 90, I'm retired. My 2019 Premier Volt with 36,000 miles, still shows 16kwh on the battery. My only complaint is the car should be designed with a 25 kw extender engine running almost full power to generate battery, not a 100 kw extender it now has to run 20% power and shuts down frequently. I've read Mazda is coming out with a Wankel 70 kw extender engine next year. That's a bit better. In town, traffic slowdowns, etc. I use "ready" mode (electric motor). On interstates I use the gas engine. Regretfully my 2019 was built for less than 6 months, and discontinues, but there are rumors Chevy will start again in 2026. BYD (China) builds the best plug-ins, but they're not available in the USA because we have a 100% tax today on Chinese cars.

[@JohnSmith-xi3sq]

Been driving a Mercedes PHEV for a while. Local trips on electric, great, long distance on petrol fantastic, fuel consumption brilliant, acceleration out of this world. If I was in the market for a replacement I’d buy the newer version with extended electric range.

[@stewartread4235]

Renewables were named correctly, every 5-15 years they'll need renewing. They will make single use plastics look environmentally friendly.!

[@gerrymaines2633]

All points are valid, but if you did zero research before you bought, you deserve what you get. The one I bought has a 10 year warranty on the battery. Gets about 80 km on battery, I live in a northern climate so this drops to about 60 in the winter. I live 7 km to town and 90 to city so I use all 3 motors within the course of a month. The car also has an extended warranty, so I'm not concerned about the drive train or ICE. I'm happy with mine (2023) and my kids are happy with theirs (2018). I plug in on standard hydro access it takes 12 hours to get my 80 km back, but I'm retired and don't care. My total range is well over 700 km. Do your research, and buy accordingly.

[@drewdevon2009]

a 10 year warranty is not enough. gas engine cars last 30 years

[@gerrymaines2633]

@EVsAreWorse4earth Under warranty? Besides, I have never kept a car for more than 7 years. I find that's when they start to fall apart.

[@dachee]

Just need to be aware that EV can starts it's own fire, from inside the battery. Water will not be able to extinguish it. Never park your EV in your garage unless you want to lose your house to fire anytime.

[@codincoman9019]

If you did your research and still bought a polluting, dangerous clunker, then you deserve the consequences even more than somebody who was stupid enough to buy something he/she didn't know about.

[@gerrymaines2633]

@codincoman9019 Are you referring to a 1975 Gremlin or such...they blew up like bombs🤣

[@janiceperkins4340]

Some of us do NOT want those "technological features" !!🤬 I wwant to get in my car turn the key and drive. Of course I'll have the occasional pit stop for gas, and I have to dump a quart of oil in once in a while, but I'd rather spend my time (and money) on that stuff than Everytime I get in needing to input my destination, or precondition batteries.......🙄 I figure I'll buy a new, base model car in 3- 4 years and it will last me til I die (hopefully) so I don't have to deal with this other BS!!

[@ericemmons3040]

I have a beautiful 1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo which I bought in 1980. Just had a rebuilt engine put in it, and I plan on driving it for a few decades more.

[@janiceperkins4340]

@@ericemmons3040 Yep, and the Diamond Back Rivera, 405's, those were the days😎

[@bmmontei]

When they say phevs owners worry about charging the car..😂

[@speedbird63]

I have an idea , why not use all of that energy that you produce from the engine to power the car rather powering a generator to charge a battery to , er , drive the car ? Makes no sense ! 🤔

[@Flying-Tampon]

Better than that with a Toyota you don’t need a warranty. Even better try exercising your warranty with an American manufacturer. “You’re the first we’ve heard of that”!

[@tony9307]

Don't see how you can get range anxiety with a PHEV

[@klimatbluffen]

They work just as badly as wind turbines, you have to have reserve power.

[@BusinessOperations-gj7ql]

My Kia 2021 KIA sorento drivem 60k kilometer now only gives 48km ev raange. Lost 10km ramge in 2-3 years

[@danpanderson]

Nope!! Doesn’t sound like a good solution!

[@datathunderstorm]

I tried to watch this video, but the murdering of the acronym PHEV pronounced as “Pee-hev” put me off completely. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jerrywarren6959]

Well, well. If any of you think this is not the answer then for Gods sake don’t ever buy a fully electric vehicle because I’ve had one and they are absolutely crap ,and exspensive 10x worse

[@duanerohan1338]

Do not use this vehicle strictly as an electric vehicle. Gasoline will turn to varnish over time.

[@bmw803]

I have a VOLT ( gen1) where they use premium fuel, so it last longer and the engine would automatically turn on if not used after a certain amount of time. Not sure about other PHEVs.

[@duanerohan1338]

@bmw803 premium fuel turns to varnish, just as quickly as regular fuel. It's about the ethanol content of the fuel, not the octane. The lesser the ethanol content the longer the fuel will last. Buying ethanol free gas is your best bet. But most people won't buy it because it cost higher.

Article very bigoted/not accurate/not engineered. I'm on my 4th plug-in and found Volt better than Prius. ICE/hybrid best if you do not charge at home. Check you KWH rate before you buy an all electric or plug-in hybrid. Where I live, it costs me for electric fuel under $0.03/mile because my electricity costs $0.079/kwh. Cost for running on gas $0.10/mile.

[@twinsliz]

I love my petrol car!

[@johngoard8272]

Hmm well mate these are not for me any more than a full-blown EV simply because you have the issues with EV's associated with maintenance, repair, battery degradation, and higher tyre wear. Does make any sense whatsoever to me? Then you have the cost os the car itself and the fuel and electrical power to charge that battery.

[@MrDavidKFarah]

Who writes this nonsense? Been driving PHEV since 2012 and none of those problems exist except the selection available. You can thank fool atop of Toyota who have been resisting PHEVs from day one otherwise every Toyota model would have PHEV variant.

[@eddieprestone8610]

This presentation is way off base. I have a 2024 Prius Prime and it is great. Possibly this applies to EVs but not so much to plug in hybrids. Take this vid with a grain of salt.

[@BobSmith-ew5oi]

And our poisoned air by tyre particles. These extra heavy duty tyres that twice as expensive and wear out three times quicker then ice ones hence the increased atmospheric tyre particles. Ice nearly 100% recycled after thirty years use.Ev nearly 0 % recycled with many battery packs less then ten years old adding to landfill pollution. That problem with all renewables is short service life. Twenty years for wind farm or solar array much that not recycled either pay for a reliable base load plant last a hundred years.

[@Nguyen1996-w1p]

Even you running on low battery and the gssoline engine kicks in, the consumption of petrol is still far less than ICE car

[@guthmang]

No EV battery is every put in a landfill… and they brake wear is way less… way.

[@kebandomerb3431]

Brought to you by the petroleum production industry. lol

[@jeffsaxton716]

I've been driving Chevy Volts for years. For us, there's no down side! My wife's 2013 still has great range. My 2019 goes 50 miles before starting the ICE. Why are you such a Debbie Downer? Oil company checks?

[@patrickgagnon9662]

Tesla backs it's batterries for ten years over mulyiple owners .....do you expect batteries to last for ever ?

[@jandoerlidoe3412]

Not for me... I drive a gasoline car & I just wait for cars with water engines to be available...( will happen after the fall of the cabal )

[@DK-CN]

P.H.E.V is pronounced as this , not as P Hevs

[@janicecopeland9083]

Nope.

[@smartgoku9048]

makes it even more certain to NOT get one. the things are stupid.

[@mikemccormick8115]

As far as long term reliability and expense, especially after 10 years, hybrids are better than EVs but can’t compete with ICE cars. If you’re 70 and probably won’t outlive your car, then it doesn’t matter.

[@robertkubrick3738]

That's standard hybrids. Plug in are more costly. I was considering a Hyundai Elantra Blue trim hybrid (for the technology my wife likes) but the salesman was a Richard with crazy price and wouldn't negotiate so I bought a Sonata SEL non hybrid with convenience package elsewhere for $2k less. It gets good fuel mileage if you keep your foot out of it 30+ in town and up to 47 on the highway so far. I can't recommend it if you are a driver who monitors what your car is doing as it is drive by wire and the computer decides what gear to be in and is generally unresponsive to the paddle shifter if you want it to upshift for better economy, it will downshift immediately with the paddle, you just have very little input as far as upshifting. It maintains speed even after you take your foot off the accelerator for about 10 seconds...even when you aren't using cruise control. I will buy old cars and have them completely restored than buy another drive by wire car.

[@mikemccormick8115]

@@robertkubrick3738 But like any EV or hybrid, plug in or no plug in, depreciation is much higher. You end up with a car that’s almost worthless after 10 years, and for good reason. Just look up resale prices. It’s been that way ever since the Prius first came out. Most of these cars with batteries end up in the shredder for good reason. You cant get around that fact. For those young and wealthy, they dont care about buying a new car every 7 years with a virtually worthless trade in. Good for them. Not exactly “environmental” but ok. Im on retirement income, I am concerned about long term reliability and value.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@mikemccormick8115 Toyota has some pretty good 11 year warranty on their hybrids battery and drive train. The Non Plug In battery might add 200lbs to the car and the small battery at least at the present time is about $2k which isn't that bad compared to many ICE repairs, such as a transmission rebuilt. I'm not in favor of battery cars or Hybrids, I just found these things out doing research, then I bought an ICE car.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@mikemccormick8115 It's tough to name any 2024 model car that will retain significant value after 10 years, lack of quality is even starting to demolish the luxury vehicles and has even taken hold of the semi-exotics like Porsche, upper end audi and Mercedes and BMW. At least in the USA and Europe. I found new quality cars in the Philippines (my wife is from there), Toyota Hilux, Fortuner and Innova, I happen to have bought all three. They will easily last 20 years if not wrecked. You can buy a really nice reliable turbo diesel car there for less than $25k USD because they don't have all the spy/nanny sh!t on them that we are forced to pay for in the US. Which also means it can't go wrong since it isn't installed. Father in law wrecked the 2018 Innova I first bought, fell asleep and drove into a huge tree, airbag and seat restraints worked as you would expect on a Toyota and the forex exchange rate was good so I just bought a new one to replace it. Fixing the old one and handing it off to sister in law who just drives in the city but has 3 kids. I would have scrapped it. The new one was under $24k. They get great fuel mileage, my wife actually got 47mpg out of the Hilux truck on a 250 mile drive, but she drives very conservatively. It's not that they can't make cars that would retain their value.

[@janiceperkins4340]

Don't want a back up camera, "emergency braking"🙄 ,navigation or "Bluetooth connectivity" 😝 Unfortunately, might have to deal with power windows and power locks 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@fredkeogh9035]

I thought these things out approximately 5 years ago what was not mentioned one motor is enough to be concerned with never mind Two ‘

[@painfulorwhat8872]

Really struggled to get these “pitfalls”. Anyone with any common sense will have already considered all of this.

[@Lightning77305]

Just more complication and expense because politicians said so. Stick to normal cars.

[@amelierenoncule]

Too many "Ifs...Ands...and Buts"

[@navin4313]

Useless video. Stating the obvious and simple facts as though new wisdom.

[@Spellrbound]

Toyota 100k warranty!

[@geraldbutler5484]

Let’s have the many pitfalls of ice cars please. Compared to the latest EV’s they are stinking old dinosaurs. I wonder which fossil fuel company or nation sponsored this bollocks.

[@josecedeno8463]

Posting garbage in KZbin wastes lots of energy.

[@nadeem5476]

idiotic video. he doesn't know about warranty of battery.

[@NikolayHinov-yy4ww]

Anyone, to have a 10 - 12 years old car (if maintained correctly) with a changed battery??? And suddenly, all saved money disapear. Don't forget the much larger price for the hybrid which adds up to the expensive new battery. The only bennefit is they have more hp.

[@jonob2373]

I've got one and like it very much. I can plug in or charge from the engine. The battery gives it more acceleration, I.e 2.25 ton suv 0-60 just over 5 seconds With a 2.5 straight 4 petrol engine. It's nice have the choice of ev only or combination of the 2 working together unless charging from engine then engine power only and that's just a button to turn on or off charging.

[@mmk907]

Peeehev😂...

[@markmiller8903]

Dont buy an EV. They have no gas tank or gas engine.

[@jolwagner]

Bull

[@Vikingj72]

Just keep drilling for oil and life will be just "DUCKY". (Yea, right) I might think the petroleum industry was somehow responsible for this helpful video.

[@jaysphere7519]

No it's you