The Dark side of the 2000's "Prada Effect" (Gloss Over 0.13)

[@LisaFevral]

Not KZbin removing comments omfg I literally just saw a comment about their experience and the comment disappeared

[@LisaFevral]

I wrote a report to KZbin, it's been a problem on my previous video too. Even comments from my assistant don't show up, and I added her account in "always approved" list

[@seabreeze4559]

@@LisaFevral try bliss foster and his prada takes

[@seabreeze4559]

@@LisaFevral they need to unionize

[@vianneycortes3367]

Also I'm not sure if this matters but watching your video it seems like the actual video lags compared to the audio. Usually your videos play fine but this one seems off.

[@NK-rf4db]

Yup they do that, that has happened to me as well!! especially when it comes to controversial topics and when you kind of hit the nail on the head(bascially when you low key expose "them"). So, i guess you're onto something big with this video.

[@ina7238]

I am from Eastern Europe myself, Bulgaria to be exact and I've always been baffled at how many foreigners I've met that have literally admitted they came because in their eyes Balkan women are submissive and traditional, "unlike" western women who are indoctrinated into feminism etc. You can even see it in people like Andrew Tate who went to Romania thinking he can escape the so-called "woke western" culture and bragged about how easy it is to just bribe police and how corrupt the government is and that was ?? normal?? no one bats an eyelash. So why would they, then, do something when people abuse eastern european women when that's considered just a fact of life or even worse that whatever abuse these girls might have suffered is better when compared to where she came from.

[@LisaFevral]

yeah I'm glad that Tate got schooled in Romania, bc that fool really thought that the entire country is just chill with this garbage. usually people go outside of their countries to earn money that is not there within their borders, not even bc they are trying to escape abuse or something.

[@pyro7521]

The most disgusting part is he was actively broadcasting how he was manipulating small town girls to his thousands of incel followers in his website and teaching them how to manipulate vulnerable women into working for him (locking them up and distancing them from family, making them broke and eventually making them feel like camming is the only way they can escape poverty) I’m really glad the romanian authorities did something about it and i hope he gets locked up for his crimes

[@durcheinander5554]

Yeah... I'm Polish and it's weird to be seen this way, especially with the fashist bullsh*t our government is doing now that some people think everybody in Poland supports. Nah man, we don't. And Polish women will kick your ass, we are the opposite of submissive. Another thing is that foreigners often don't believe me I'm Polish because I have dark hair and eyes. They say I look Iranian when literally look like a quarter of Polish women. Even the stereotype of the ethereal Slavic blonde is not true.

[@TheRoachkiller]

Same and the “submissive and obedient thing baffles me cause тия хора не са яли задвратници явно

[@selrox879]

Hello from Romania❤.

[@jbbelenkokoro2673]

This is literally human trafficking but with makeup and high heels. People should never glamorize it. It sickens me that there are still people who believe that this is high fashion. it's not.

[@LisaFevral]

considering how normalized abuse and entitlement of the rich is in the industry, it unfortunately is part of high fashion, and should be eradicated

[@bunnywavyxx9524]

yeah this is basically mass-produced products for an industry except those objects are human. Very weird and morose to think about it. And why we dont have fashion icons anymore, models are just mannequins to show a product, idk why this is being praised as some era.

[@AmbitiouslyVicious]

I just watched a live stream last night regarding helping victims get help(aren’t I just so good at explaining things lol) in Las Vegas- and the ladies in charge of the program were former victims of trafficking, they talk a lot about their own experiences and what they’d learnt from their ab*sers & whatnot, anyways they were former models as young women and were brought into the “industry” right off the bat. & they started getting trafficked in the 80s, after the modeling stuff dwindled they ended up resorting to escorting and so on and so forth, idk they explain their own story better but my point is yes, this is heartbreaking and has been going on for too damn long ):

[@jbbelenkokoro2673]

@@AmbitiouslyVicious Do you have a link to the livestream? I’m really interested in listening to their story.

[@Ashley-lo1xy]

@@jbbelenkokoro2673me too!

[@olagunzel3672]

Slavic women have endured abuse for centuries, often being used as collateral damage. Which is why we have so many bloodlines in us, which probably manifests in our beauty as well. Good that you’re speaking up about this topic. If you look at all red light districts in the Netherlands (I live there) it’s full of Eastern European women, and probably none of them knew what was in store for them when they were lured to the west under false promises. Truly heartbreaking

[@DearBill]

Slavic women could choose America , cuz there is anti-prostitution laws (except for Nevada state). It’s very sad that organized prostitution (which is human trafficking) hasn’t decreased since 2000’s. But Nigerian girls , abused from their mafia endure worst than Slavic women since the Covid , excepted Bulgarian pimps still active in whole Europe.

[@purplelove3666]

That's sad,I don't think manifesting is a thing though

[@olagunzel3672]

@ ‘to manifest’ is a common used verb and a synonym to ‘demonstrate’ or ‘show’, whether you believe in the spiritual meaning of it or not.

[@irinaolgina9191]

The same thing happened with the selection of girls for dancing. I was 19 and I studied at the university and danced in an ensemble of folk and modern dances. A scout approached me and another girl and offered to go perform in France, something like a cabaret. He said that they would pay $300 for one dance. I got excited about this idea, but my parents and boyfriend told me a bunch of scary stories and I didn’t go. My friend from another ensemble went to Cyprus a few years later and there they took their flight tickets back and their money, and told them to dance in a restaurant, but then sit down with customers and encourage them to buy drinks. But their passports were not taken away. And when one of the customers of the restaurant saw her crying and found out what was the matter, he paid for her ticket home. But she was already 20 years old and she was helped. I am shocked that 12 year olds were lured into this dirt.

[@Lililililili333]

That’s terrifying 😳

[@understitchYT]

To add to this, its interesting when the successful models' stories are told, they often have their poor, secluded or otherwise "difficult" upbringing praised in a way that with all this extra information seems strange in hindsight. Yes, its amazing that people from all kinds of lifestyles become models, but its nearly always *only* the women who come from more tough backgrounds that have their history aired. For example, I didn't know Devon Aoki (Sister of Steve Aoki) were from an extremely rich family in Japan or Cara Delevigne's family is swimming in money for a really long time because their backgrounds are never spoken, while we are regularly told about when a model (or any celebrity really) grew up poor, from Alek Wek to Irina Shayk to Kate Moss (who grew up in Croydon, I dont think she was that poor, but its often talked about?) its a curious juxtaposition

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, it's like even their lives are exploited for profit and to show an example of "rags to riches" so people continue on thinking that the reason why so many ppl are in poverty is that they're lazy, and not that there's systemic issues

[@jimjimgl3]

Devon Aoki is American. Her family money came from Benihana Restaurants. When she first started EVERYONE knew she came from that family and it was written about at the time. Same for Delevigne. Her aristocratic upbringing wasn't hidden by the press. It became part of her selling point. Also same for Stella Tennant who came from British royalty. Models come from all walks of life. But the rags-to-riches story is much more impactful for people than rich-to-riches which is why those models from poorer backgrounds resonate to the fashion audience. And what is fashionable on the runway shifts back and fourth. Lot's of eastern European girls back in the early 2000s lots of girls of color now. Young girls being taken advantage of by management is unfortunately not uncommon and not restricted just to girls from the former soviet bloc. But in my opinion the successful girls from Russia, Ukraine, etc were given a chance to make money, travel the world, experience other ways of living and for most of them, elevate their financial status.

[@katyxoxo123]

I come from indonesia and 6 years ago i do an internship with famous fashion designer from indonesia and during the photoshoot there is an Russian girl and she is only 15 and Apparently she told me that she live in small apartments with many young eastern european model like her and she told me that they have a really strict rules in that house( regarding food, workouts, lifestyle and social life) so i bought her a pizza that makes her almost cry because she said she haven’t eat pizza for a long time

[@jessyjulie5506]

There are some American men who really fetishize eastern European women like Russian women. I remember the name Nadia was considered a "sexy" name and kind of a joke people would say. That's why in the movie American pie, there is a Russian exchange student named Nadia.

[@LisaFevral]

@girlmanic you do know that fetishization is a bad thing, right? what's with the "relevant" dumbass comment then?

[@stylpumpkin]

Tbh everything that happened in the modeling industry in the 90’s too the 2000s was actual hell. The amount of absolute horror stories I’ve heard from girls that modeled during that time is insane. Not that much changed but im glad i stopped hearing as much shit as that anymore. Im legit so passionate abt how much i despise the modeling industry 😭😭

[@stylpumpkin]

@@strawberryswirrl716 Well theres a lot but a rlly messed up one i heard from a friend i had when i was 10, she wanted to model she wasnt scouted she just wanted to start taking some classes since a lot of other 10 yr old girls at our skl were doing it as a hobby. She started taking the same classes most other girls attended and a few days later she told us that her mom took her out of the classes since they were teaching them “not to eat”. They where telling these 10 yr olds how being over a certain amount of weight isnt “acceptable” and that if they dont manage to keep a certain amount of weight they get kicked out . They were also telling them to skip meals. I remember seeing a few friends that attended those classes not eating their lunches and giving them to other kids to eat so theyre parents didnt realize. Im srry its been a whilee and i dont rember much but yea this really scared me at the time. And also a lot of parents didnt find an issue and still kept their kids there which is insane to me.

[@ripwednesdayadams]

runway models used to spend the night at the hospital on IV drips because they were so malnourished. eds were the standard and expected of models. an old editor of british vogue wrote an article in the guardian 10+ years ago about how widespread and pervasive the mentality of putting being “skinny above all else” even when it was killing models. it was common for models to faint and have other health problems.

[@Tina-fj4xo]

I once transited through China. I gave my passport during bag screening and the employee walked away with it into a back room. They told us to keep moving, I kept saying my passport was taken, but no one understood me, just kept pushing me through the gates. In those few moments, I started to panic thinking I might be held there (Canada and China had some political tension at the time, Huawei and what not). From my tiny experience, I can only imagine the absolute FEAR and HORROR these poor girls went through having their passports taken in a foreign country. As a fellow Eastern European woman, thank you for shining light on this, Lisa!

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, I can't even imagine what they felt

[@seabreeze4559]

you can report the passport theft to your EMBASSY it's classic human trafficking

[@seabreeze4559]

@@LisaFevral report it to the EMBASSY passports are not for employers

[@LisaFevral]

@seabreeze4559 I'm not the one who experienced this, we're talking about kids in the past.

[@HoUsEoFbRiX]

same thing happened to me when i had a connection flight in china, will never go back there. They didn't want to let me on my flight and i've never been so scared. They treated our flight like we were a group traveling together when it was just a regular flight, took away everyones passport, so scary.

[@bella-zk6sy]

i think it's becoming more and more apparent that a huge portion of our planet's problems originate as diversions for the uber-rich. just saw a comment below talking about agencies providing very young girls for yacht parties. i've heard many stories elsewhere esp regarding Dubai, and it just sickens me. the absolute disregard for women and children has to end (and that will only start to come about when we get rid of billionaires once and for all).

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, the entitlement of those pricks is insane, they need to be gone for good.

[@seabreeze4559]

use extraterritorial jurisdiction laws

[@ripwednesdayadams]

even in the us you commonly hear people criticize late stage capitalism and the exploitation of workers whereas ten years ago this wouldn’t be common discourse. ofc there are still ppl who defend it at all costs. i never understand fellow working or middle class people who side with billionaires- when they do not give af about anyone. i worked in an amazon warehouse during the height of the pandemic. when i shared some of the fucked up things that happened there, some ppl were like “gEt A bEtTeR jOb”. as if it’s the worker’s fault if they’re exploited.

[@LisaFevral]

@@ripwednesdayadams "gEt a BeTTeR JoB", ok give me a better job then, right ahahah

[@IceQueen975]

Basically. The only actual privilege that exists is class privilege. Everything else is fueled by and used by it to obfuscate and distract.

[@jessg2382]

I so appreciate your perspective and sharing the truth about this type of exploitation . I live in St Barts, and my husband used to work at the airport and he would see private planes coming from Russia and Eastern Europe, full of very young looking girls and women on New Years and for big billionaires’ parties on yachts… and we’ve heard horror stories of how they were treated. Leaving having been violated and with outward physical signs of it… it’s tragic that this still happens and to this extent.

[@LisaFevral]

:( god I hate that so much

[@seabreeze4559]

dubai too ralph lauren is literally warmed over ww2 propaganda from the bad side .....

[@13realmusic]

Thank you for making this video so quickly! I was just starting to see the “Prada effect” float around social media and didn’t realize it was this nefarious. That man speaking about modeling like it’s this serious and worthy pursuit compared to regular careers is disgusting. I can’t believe he openly admitted to sending those young girls “rich boyfriends” like no you’re a criminal p3do who needs to be in jail!

[@LisaFevral]

he's talking about other agencies looking for rich boyfriends for them and how he's a real manager instead of that, but he's still a creep imo

[@seabreeze4559]

@@LisaFevral some netflix guys are notorious for this like cavill on CDAN why else film in ee but the low age of consent ? despite countries like england have extraterritorial jurisdiction

[@gemmothy]

It's so interesting to hear your own personal experience with the topic, but also this really saddens me, poor girls.

[@LisaFevral]

Same, honestly. Since so many things have been broken down in the 90s to benefit oligarchs and their pursuit of privatization, many ppl don’t know how to help their families live better lives.

[@Witty_Star]

I agree with everything u said. Cause I saw a model who was either 12 or 13, and the guy who got her into modeling and said he liked her cause she was " sensual or had a sensual walk?" And I'm thinking, there is NOTHING sensual about a child. Like, why???

[@EbonyPenmarks]

How people think “these Prada models in the 2000s worked harder than today’s models,” is just jarring. Any model who has a portfolio established enough for a high fashion house has WORKED TO THE BONE.

[@LisaFevral]

unless they got there through nepotism

[@EbonyPenmarks]

@@LisaFevral considering that only a small number of working models have the nepotism factor, I’m wondering if “these Prada models in the 2000s worked harder,” basically mean, “Exploited labour is THE standard of labour.” 😬

[@bettyberova4131]

It’s because the circumstances made it harder to “make” it back then or even get noticed. Besides Connections, social media presented a lot more opportunities and brands embracing more diversity and different body types has given a lot woman chances to work as models and actually got booked. But saying its easy per se its not accurate its just that more chances and opportunities are out there. They don’t per see work less but don’t have to struggle and hustle AS much on top of already exploitative and abusive industry and fashion packed chaotic month. Plus way more young women & girls are speaking out way more now.

[@q1s2e3w]

tbh when people say “they worked harder” in regards to these models what i feel like theyre really saying is “they were skinnier”

[@jeness]

I remember seeing the documentary on young Siberian models in high school and it really opened my eyes and thankfully shattered my perception of modeling. It’s really interesting to hear that that’s where you’re from. But yeah, it made me so uncomfortable and sad to watch this fetishized and idolized appearance be a vessel for the exploitation of literal children. I always wanted to be a model but as a short black girl I was discouraged but I’m kind of glad I didn’t even dabble with the idea because it could have ended poorly at best.

[@LisaFevral]

Girl same, I’m glad I’ve been too short and knew that, bc that made me not take it seriously as a career

[@sundiva7642]

I remember that, I think it was by Reggie

[@ayokotix]

I had a schoolmate, that went to Moscow to her model gig, while we were in 10th or 11th grade👀 She was signed to some kind of model agency

[@hingryd1221]

Is that one when one of the "managers" say like its a quirky little thing that she even take photos of the girl's foot without them knowing it? Even without the sketchy things, the job is awful! Imagine getting send to Japan at 13, alone, no money, not knowing the language, and owning money to the agency already!

[@Duvelle_]

Oh dear.. I feel really bad for the kids or just models in general who have to deal with shit like this. It's horrible.

[@LisaFevral]

Same, I’m genuinely saddened by the fact that even those that get to genuinely model are oftentimes not even compensated for their work well

[@clownbaby89]

I'm from Russia too and I'm glad that none of my friends or classmates that I know of were recruited or asked to do these kinds of jobs. I never glamorized model businnes just bc im very dar from it but hearing about the trafficking, EDs and horrible treatment of models made my blood boil. a very scary industry for sure. the white supremacy thing isnt shocking but so so disturbing. wouldn't wish for anyone to be a model in such conditions even for huge companies and stuff

[@clownbaby89]

i thought it was a big city kind of thing and went over our heads in a smaller town

[@LisaFevral]

I think there are some epicentres here and there, there's definitely quite a few in Siberia

[@marikkelaszlo3355]

This reminds me of how whenever I would look at 2000s Chanel fashion shows a few years ago back in high school, I used to get jealous of Gemma Ward and how I wanted to be her, I thought Chanel would rarely have any anorexic models because I would assume that they would be taken care of for a huge, luxury brand but tbh, I feel like every model in the early 2000s probably had an eating disorder. Also, I remember watching a vogue video of Gemma Ward and she was definitely not happy with her modeling experience, she was crying about how the designer was making fun of her body and laughing at her and a lot of the models in the video were traumatized from similar experiences too, fashion modeling as a job is toxic and dehumanizing as hell, especially in the early 2000s.

[@Ramiisha]

I understand your anger i felt angry too when i was watching that creep talk that way in the clip you showed. I also find it very weird as a south asian person whenever i see people glamorizing the time when there was little to no diversity in these industries. I feel terrible for the girls im so sad now shit.

[@LisaFevral]

same, like this is similar to passport bros shit and other phenomena like that where women get exploited for a chance to take care of their families that are struggling

[@Imxel21]

Yeah it’s an all around lose lose situation. The white supremacists eat these things up but the actual girls and women are suffering and have no say in those things.

[@magsimillion]

another thing that came to mind while watching this is how strange it is that you know we're all conditioned to think we want to look like those models even when we grow up but then it's actually.... young girls with young girl bodies that look like they're already adults and we just keep... chasing that. our bodies are (usually) not supposed to look like this when we're in our 20s. either way, amazing videos as always! really tickled my brain

[@emanuellelemos5361]

There was a Brazilian politician that went as a voluntary to help refugees at the Ucranian war. Well, some of his messages were exposed in which he talks about taking advantages of these vulnerable women. He said things such as eastern women are better than Brazilian because they're all blonde, white and with blue eyes, in a very racist logic y'know. Also, he's from the far right, supporter of our infamous ex president, a political position that bases many ideas in racism

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, war zones are magnets to the most vile humans imaginable. if there is a war going on and you're a woman or a child - avoid ALL men, no matter which "side" they're on

[@PokhrajRoy.]

In India’s case, the ‘Prada Effect’ is how in a lot of Indian media, Ukrainian and other white Eastern European women are made to work long hours for low pay. ‘The Swaddle’ did a video on it. You should check it out.

[@LisaFevral]

ok I will!

[@sapphic.flower]

It's so grim how young women and girls are taken advantage of in industries like this; modelling, acting, music, idol-work, ballet, theatre and so on. Especially because these are industries that turn women's bodies into a consumption, exploitation feels like in inevitable aspect. Its a shame because these take genuine skills and I'm sure a lot of women and girls are passionate about what they do if not just reliant on it for stability, they should be able to work safely and securely.

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

My wife was scouted at 5 in Brazil! Was deep into “acting camp for Nickelodeon” by 13. But if you look at her portfolio at the time, she’s in adult clothes, in adult settings like black velvet with a red back drop, all while being compared to the success of Megan fox and Amanda Bynes. When she was 19 she was abducted the the Dominican Republic while “doing a shoot” there. Seeing this made me absolutely sick and slapped with reality. Everyone in her family has passed and she’s a very broken person. I believe at this point I have every bit of evidence out there to tell me the industry is sick.

[@angelsunlight]

Woah I’m so sorry that this happened to her. Sloan, Match the Source and other KZbinrs that cover stuff like this would probably be happy for her to share her story, if she’s willing to

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

@@angelsunlight thank you. she shared her story about working for Nickelodeon once on a small podcast a while ago. Then that audio clip ended up being heard by a lot of people and used in a lot of videos.I think when she saw it on a video that had millions of views, it kind of messed her up mentally. She was reliving times that at the time of her podcast story, she wasn’t really aware of how abusive it was. Then seeing comments and KZbinrs discussing her life without asking her, really brought the reality to her like a train derailment and she needed a lot of help afterwards. Right now she’s an advocate for overseas abduction survivors but hasn’t wanted to revisit the public space. I hope in the future she revisits her past but we have to heal first.

[@selrox879]

​@@patsysolatzzo2962 Im so sorry. All love for you and her❤❤❤

[@___vlc___5730]

I watched some dokumentieres about how girls are picked in Siberia and send to asian to do modelling. Its so explosive, playing with people dream of having a better live, supporting their family, because they come from poorer situations. And than being just send to asia not speaking a word barley having money to buy food or to do stuff and than not being able to go home as well, because they are told they still have to work since they didn’t won enough money yet. And they have not the knowledge nor help to get out of this situations

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, they always pick the most vulnerable people too:(

[@mariaastafyeva1426]

Now that I think about it, it’s wayy too similar to kpop trainee system.

[@LisaFevral]

literally

[@amily961]

Thank you for sharing! As a former model, the modeling industry is oftentimes really abusive and hides behind the glamorous illusion the fashion industry presents. Little to no protections are set in place to prevent harassment, exploitation, and general questionable/illegal business practices (e.g., getting “paid” for work with clothes, being in debt to your agency for staying in their horrible model apartments and getting needed plane tickets, agencies not getting proper work permits for their newly signed foreign models, and being under long-term contract with a main agency but listed as an “independent contractor” so they can avoid providing worker benefits) while the average fashion model has little to no leverage or independent financial security to stand up against this mistreatment because you can be dropped by your agency or blacklisted by the industry. Look up the nonprofit “model alliance”, the documentary “girl model”, and/or the book “model: the ugly business of beautiful women” by Michael Gross if you want more information about some of the unfortunate and disturbing realities of modeling.

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, they are doing what wouldn't be allowed in a lot of other industries(or even the same industry, but a different type of job). and I'm specifically speaking about modelling that is actual modelling, even when it's the real deal, many models have their worker rights violated

[@amily961]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@LisaFevralAbsolutely! The modeling industry has had no oversight and too many worker’s rights violations and instances of lack of basic decency unfortunately occur all the time. And while there are a lot of modeling scams that can put people in potentially dangerous situations right off the bat, as you likely know, the line between legit modeling work and scams or sketchy situations can sometimes be blurry. I remember hearing of a model who was robbed and murdered in a model apartment while signed with a foreign modeling agency in Shanghai from her mother agency in Canada. She was apparently planning to leave early despite contract due to being uncomfortable with the strange non-fashion modeling jobs being assigned such as dancing at bars. When the authorities came to the “agency” in question, they had apparently disbanded and completely disappeared. She came to the Shanghai agency with the assurance of her legit Canadian mother agency but they failed to do their due diligence in verifying the Shanghai agency likely because it was a “smaller agency” overseas. It is a really tragic case, her name was Diana O’Brien and she was only 22 years old.

[@s0renn]

I was a model from 2011-2015, albeit the end of this specific era. I started my career in 8th grade, I had just gotten my braces taken off. My experience as a model was so exploitative and traumatic that I am still in therapy to process it. I can only imagine what it would be like to have experienced the conditions I did all while being in a foreign country. It breaks my heart.

[@freshlysqueezed6850]

Even top models didn't have it easy working with big agencies. Watching vlada roslyakova's interviews is so sad and eye opening

[@LisaFevral]

yeah, like this is not easy money, even for the lucky ones.(unless you're well off too begin with and don't HAVE TO work work work, and have financial stability that's independent from modelling)

[@PokhrajRoy.]

9:31 This happens with South Asian construction workers in the Gulf/Middle East Area as well.

[@LisaFevral]

damn:(

[@fhxs]

Literally saw so much of this in The UAE & Kuwait

[@karolinakuc4783]

​@@LisaFevralMarcin Margielewski wrote smth about it. Tanya Valko writes about simmilar topics

[@baby.nay.]

3:58 You really don’t have control over anything, it’s a huge misconception seeing creators document their modeling experiences, film on set etc … I never even got a copy of a photo of anything I ever modeled for . You might not see the final shot unless you search for it

[@LisaFevral]

yup, it's also super dependent on who the photographer/stylist/makeup person is in terms of what kind of on set experience you're gonna get

[@baby.nay.]

@@LisaFevral absolutely! I was a teen in the 2000s and it was truly wild times without much accountability whatsoever. Absolutely great video babe , you are wise beyond your years

[@LisaFevral]

Thank you🤍🥰🥰

[@zoeollie202]

It was interesting and comforting to hear oddly that “you think you’re gettinga compliment but they turn out to be a w suprem assist” the fact you realize that and get that feeling. I’m mixed with practically everything else, and i know that latinas, black, Asian, women r we all experience this and call it fetishization, and we’re mostly understand it as a colonial construct. I always wondered if white European women also experience this, I understand Eastern Europe is different than the American understanding, we tend to think French, British, Italian, Spanish, because those are the people we have the highest concentration or overlapping history with, but specifically metropolitan. Learning about the economics of Eastern Europe, or specifically Baltic history, has helped me understand a global economic solidarity.

[@SoaringSpear]

Those tiktok comments are so crazy. And the original video is wild because it’s not even showing the full doc that it’s referencing. Obviously Prada did contribute heavily to the “white out,” but it’s so crazy that tiktok history is being rewritten by poorly edited videos. Thanks for your video

[@Viborasi]

zeit magazine featured "young, beautiful and quite unhappy", a memoir written by swedish photographer lina scheynius (I think here father is from lithuania, but i might be wrong) from when she was a young model. While it isn't that extreme as human trafficking, it's heartbreaking and filled with waaay too many creepy moments.

[@sophietessier8998]

Omg i had not idea , I talked about it with my mom, we noticed the change in the industry and we believed that it was the Kate Moss effect. Make much more sens. But I would like to point out how much this back fired on the media in general. 90’s and early 2000’s had a lot of diversity push forward, not great but still improvement and around 2007 it changed so much. Just look at the Disney channel production, from that so raven and the cheats girl to only zendaya in shake it up and as the second lead.

[@LisaFevral]

I think you’re right about Kate moss influencing it, but I think it’s honestly so many things at once that this video can’t cover tbh bc you’re so right about this sudden rollback on diversity, it was so so apparent on disney

[@s__9939]

I grew up as a child in the very late 2000s and through out the 2010s and even I noticed that huge changed in society, right when we were starting to do better with racial and skin color diversity BOOM everything just did a 180 turn. I'm pretty sure the last too Disney shows that had fully poc main characters were A.N.T farm, KC undercover and stuck in the middle after that there was like only 3 other shows with poc main characters and they were all half white

[@seabreeze4559]

@@LisaFevral money talks it makes sense a french brand would mostly hire french for example but recently an african nation banned white models to give their own people a chance dunno which one

[@fhxs]

⁠@@s__9939 there’s been a shift in society I noticed this too and I remember my mom making a comment the summer of 2020 that she was happy there’s a focus on social issues, but worried the pendulum was going to swing backwards hard & I feel like it is. A lot of the newest trends & beauty standards right now are completely opposite of the what was “in” a couple years ago

[@sophietessier8998]

@@s__9939 I’m not from the USA but as an outsider, I find it interesting that the shift happen during Obama president years. And I know there a gap of years between trends between USA and us so my years aren’t good. But in my timeline around 2014 we saw a growth of interest in black representation , aka after Miley cirus banger era ( who is so black coded)After that rnd and all of that became the face of music, with Nicky , drake, Rihanna etc… they were famous befor but not the main, after that they were the top of the chart non stop.. Even the big butt body trend started around this time period. The first time I heard about tweark was around that time a well. Crazy how became relevant again trough music Instead of modeling or acting like the years befor were it was all. I’m not American I lack so much history and culture knowledge to express my impression of cultural shift troughs the 2010 😑

[@whatsthetblog]

ALSO MORE VIDEOS ABOUT FASHION IN DEPTH LIKE THIS 🤩

[@LisaFevral]

ok, I'll do more🤍🤍

[@07thfan35]

Hey, Lisa. I just wanted to let you know that I'm really impressed by your consistent dedication to these videos and the amount of time you invest to thoroughly prepare these, your hard work does not go unnoticed. I'm not much of an expert in fashion or art, but I enjoy listening to your thoughts nonetheless. Also I quite like your sense of humor, your Winx videos (especially those on later seasons) are hilarious. Keep being awesome, and I look forward to more of your videos!

[@LisaFevral]

Oh thank you sm!! I really appreciate it🤍🤍

[@perdelkin]

Modelling industry is just so predatory. The current "trend" of models from South Sudan, literal poorest country on Earth disgusts me. I saw an article about how people are recruited to become models from a refugee camps

[@user-jb8wx2ei6l]

This made me think of Danita Angelo. She started doing runways for big designers at age 11 and was doing Victoria secret runways at only 14 yrs old. So sad

[@LisaFevral]

VS RUNWAYS AT 14??? ugh I hate all of this so much

[@user-jb8wx2ei6l]

@@LisaFevral SAME!! It’s disgusting. Victoria secret used to use a lot of underage models for their catalogs but a lot of it has been scrubbed from the internet. I think you should do a video on it!! A lot of people are not aware and with Victoria secret show being back this year I think it’s a perfect time to discuss it.

[@user-jb8wx2ei6l]

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[@smokingsymbiotes]

@@LisaFevral There’s a TikTok of her in lingerie on the runway that has thousands of saves on TikTok. 14 in lingerie and nobody has reported it for CP

[@kvashaa]

Очень много знакомых девочек с бэйбифэйсом и очень светлыми волосами/кожей ездили в Китай/ Азию в целом в качестве моделей в 10-11 классе, но то, сколько времени у них уходило на школу моделинга и тд. И количество этих агентств (несмотря на то, что я живу не в Москве/Питере)

[@LisaFevral]

да, много агентств в Сибири и на дальнем востоке. ну и вообще везде, если честно

[@alisson.cordeiro]

I have one of the tiktok "fashion" accounts where I post about models. And I post about models from the 90s and early 2000s precisely because all of that scares me. I don't know how people got so comfortable saying such big nonsense, there are videos of people being fatphobic with models like Precious Lee and those videos get over 50k likes. The industry was already seeing more and more white models in the early 2000s, but I think it was only later with the "Prada Effect" that this really came to fruition. And those accounts that post about models seem to like that, like that "slavic aesthetic" even though they know how problematic it was and still is. And the worst thing is the argument these people use to justify them committing almost crimes on tiktok. One thing I understand a lot of them love Snejana Onopka but the reason they love her is the problem, saying models should have her body and all, and she has admitted to having an eating disorder and they seem to think that's cool . The other day I saw several accounts saying that anyone who defends Brazilian models would be "taco bell" and I was really sad when I entered the comments and saw so many people agreeing with that. Anyway, I just wanted to talk a little about these tiktok accounts that post about models and the absurdities that come out of there, since I also have one of these accounts but I try to stay away from it as much as possible.

[@Luvluna19]

I feel companies choose younger girls because they are easier to manipulate than a full grown adult like I feel like it goes on other media / entertainment like for example I’m Kpop companies are literally debuting underage kids there concept are not sexual or anything but it still feel so weird to me , to see a 14 year old working like an adult

[@massiecure8422]

i love your videos but this one felt especially personal, i really appreciate it

[@swampstar]

You look so fucking good in that top like are you kidding me

[@LisaFevral]

😘😘

[@sandramilfort9261]

I'm proud of you for shedding light on this situation. 👏🏾 😊 keep up the good work 👍🏾

[@Esmeeeeeedbjd]

I think these things all tie back to trafficking. It’s so disturbing. Thank you for telling us your experience Lisa, I’m so glad you’re safe🤍

[@LisaFevral]

Thankfully I wasn’t in modelling, and as far as I know my friends were ok, except for skipping school and having a hard time with education catch up after returning, and not really making much money from it as was promised, as well as developing severe ed

[@atarakay9900]

Victoria secret is literally showing off their collection of humans. Why do you think the clothes are ridiculous looking half the time… that goes to all fashion shows. But it’s not all that as their are many who love fashion but of course many don’t know who they’re supporting

[@nikemaraje5]

​@@atarakay9900 look at Balenciaga's p3dos*tanist ass.

[@OceanLily]

Those little girls worked hard because they were supporting their families

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Congratulations on the Second Season of your Podcast! 👏🏽

[@LisaFevral]

thank youuuuu🥰

[@Mintshake_bunny]

That is absolutely horrendous. I just seriously have a hard time wrapping my head around how there are so many evil people in this world.

[@LisaFevral]

same, I think about how overwhelming the amount of these people is

[@PokhrajRoy.]

5:35 Literally Brooke Shields in her younger days.

[@Christina-sf4py]

think i remember an article about the industry using underage models many years back. It was discussing it from the other angle, that it was also predatory towards older women because it was aimed at making them feel they should always be trying to look younger. Many of underage fashion and beauty product models done up to look older of course don't have wrinkles, etc and women viewing them were thinking they WERE older...and of course they themselves didn't measure up to that perfection...therefore wanting to buy the product. *ps the guy in the clip shown gave me major creep vibes. Eww.

[@swan4113]

mothers back at it

[@LisaFevral]

💅🏻

[@iloveazaeliabanks]

just came back from work and saw this ty queen

[@rhyst124]

It's definitely two-fold. These girls are two things: 1. Iconic & 2. Disposable.

[@rhyst124]

Also: the man at 7:36 discovered models such as Tanya Dziahileva - who "sold" her to IMG. It is an awful industry, and few girls "make it" - but for the one's who do they make plenty of money. Dziahileva said modelling changed her life for the better. Though I do completely agree with your sentiment.

[@german102302]

Girl the accent you pronounced Наталия Водянова with was a slay... That was so correct, wow

[@norahbadr1212]

When?

[@sonechko-ro6tq]

because its her mother tongue lol

[@janelolly5653]

Also «перестройка» omg ✨

[@janelolly5653]

@@sonechko-ro6tqshe is russian?

[@sonechko-ro6tq]

@@janelolly5653 she said she’s from siberia, it’s in russia

[@Littlestarstan]

Okay, its not important, but the way you said "перестройка/perestroika" just✨✨✨

[@roser2058]

those clips sent shivers down my spine. I want justice for all of those girls :(

[@LisaFevral]

same:(

[@sapphic.flower]

I usually find compliments about my physical appearance to feel implicitly eurocentric and superficial, even if the person giving the compliment maybe didn't think about it. I'm South East Asian but I'm skinny and tall-looking and my facial features look racially ambiguous (people assumed I was mixed race more than once). It just feels questionable where people are coming from when they consider me an attractive person but don't extend that compliment to every woman they meet. Can't really fathom what it feels like to learn someone found you pretty just because you're white 💀💀💀

[@lyraenza]

7:07 not you just calling this guy "creep" in the captions 😭(you're right but it almost made me fall from my chair)

[@LisaFevral]

I couldn’t resist ahahahah

[@sweetiebabycookiehoney]

people really want to call models (actually any worker) who are forced to comply with exploitative working conditions "hard workers"

[@indi2544]

this was so eye opening

[@unrulycrow6299]

Omg yes I was a teen in the 00s and these modeling shows with all of these very young girls - because I knew we'd likely be around the same age despite attempts at making them look older on Editorial pictures - was so disturbing like... none of these girls looked happy or healthy, it was so uncomfortable and yet they were pushed as a sort of ideal goal? How many girls have been broken by that machine? The modeling industry has never been stellar but good god it was absolutety horrendous in the 2000s.

[@mountain85]

Hah !! I always ARGUED my head off about how young girls should never be forced to MAKE MONEY and go into the modeling industry. MAKE THE LEGAL AGE FOR MODELING 25 ! AFTER THE GIRLS AND BOYS FINISH COLLEGE, GET A DEGREE AND KNOW A THING OR TWO SEXUAL EXPLOITATION!

[@mariapetrova1294]

The horrors of Eastern Europe will be unveiled some day. I hope.

[@Kinglystateof]

One word: BROOKE SHIELDS

[@LisaFevral]

yes! same with Britney, she was only 15 when they put her on the cover of rolling stone, and in such a compromising way

[@texasred2702]

I remember looking at the Britney Spears shoot thinking this was only technically not child p0rn bc she was dressed, and wtf was wrong with her parents to allow that to happen in the first place, let alone be published. Didn't surprise me Brittany became such a mess. The only surprising thing was how normal Brooke Shields is today.

[@texasred2702]

*in Rolling Stone

[@13realmusic]

Love your new outro photos!

[@LisaFevral]

Thank you🥰🥰 they’re more like podcast season 2 photos, but I use the banner at the end as promo all the time(I should make it more accessible to ppl who don’t know about the pod though, I always forget ahah)

[@user-ziztnm]

Theres a doc on this from 2011 called “girl model” and its graphic so tw but its a summary of everything you’ve said in this vid. I think one of the guys you put in this vid looks like tigran (one of the model agency bosses in the doc)

[@HiyyihLouvre]

I love your channel so much... square up! We're fighting

[@PokhrajRoy.]

9:20 This part hit hard. You have to abandon a life, move into a cutthroat environment which is justified and then profit off of hating yourself.

[@jensendsflowers]

Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your perspective and shedding light on an important topic ❤

[@quoicoubelle]

Tysm for this video ❤

[@karolinakuc4783]

I like when you bring up serious topics

[@20000dino]

Girl ngl I'm kind of obsessed with that top, where did you get it ? You look STUNNING. (Also, just finished watching the video and, as someone who doesn't know a lot about runaway, it was great. Don't want to take away from that

[@LisaFevral]

It’s from cs fight club!

[@20000dino]

@@LisaFevral thank you so much ❤️

[@natalikukhianidze7203]

PLSSS make a deep dive series for monster high and barbie

[@gojete]

Hi I love your channel!!!!!!!! thanx for all the info i learn watching you, cheers!!!

[@gtg488w]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing this info and your thoughts and experiences

[@monjuexo]

I used to want to be a model just for validation and to wear cute clothes but it’s not worth the abuse and fetishization that these young women experience. All that glitters is not gold :(. (Also your top is so so cute. I want to know where it’s from but I don’t mean to diminish the tone of the videos topic)

[@LisaFevral]

It’s from cs fight club!

[@molokoigvozdi6139]

Ооо я давно чувствовала что-то родное на этом канале ахах

[@LisaFevral]

Ахахах

[@isthatachicken]

Here to leeearn because Idk what this term could mean A little off topic but THIS TOP?! SHIRT?! An actual want😍 edit edit: ugh these girls they want a stable income and not to be exploited by my friends and I for their youth

[@LisaFevral]

The top is from a model I know(her brand where she designs stuff) it’s called csfightclub!

[@isthatachicken]

@@LisaFevral i HAVE to check it out!

[@Key_kiwi]

I’m excited 🖤

[@stealthis]

I haven't watched you in a minute, so is this hair new? It looks really good on you!

[@sinaloalusarr]

You’re always entertaining and interesting to listen to thank you for your work and perspective. ❤🍀🙏🏼

[@LisaFevral]

❤❤❤

[@СашаКлименко-р7ц]

Невероятная! Спасибо что сделала это видео на английском ❤

[@LisaFevral]

❤❤❤

[@Imxel21]

I think a lot of people are ignoring the racist undertones in all this

[@Imxel21]

Talking about the comments

[@karolinakuc4783]

Back in 90s' and 2000s' fashion designers were creating for their muses clothing was to reflect their personality. Now models are robotic and everything is poorly made and out of plastic. Yeah even tho Victoria's Secret fashion show was great the clothing was poorly made and out of plastic

[@anhgels]

just leaving a comment for your analytics! great video

[@risingstar209]

i saw snejana onopka in the thumbnail so i'm watching

[@lauraschachte4162]

Honestly I just keep staring at your white board where it says “address issue” and my mind is running WILD lol

[@ayokotix]

8:37 meanwhile me, living in Krasnoyarsk: 👁👄👁 okaaaaayyyy…..

[@Lu-ob5dz]

Is it my cellphone or is it the video? The movements in the video kinda look weird. But it's a very important topic tho

[@LisaFevral]

It’s the video

[@karolinakuc4783]

Paulo Coelho in his book from 2008 also wrote about abuse in fashion bussiness

[@lyraenza]

1:03 this lowkey creeped me out

[@Fronko_]

love this video, love love love this channel

[@howitbee_2972]

Great commentary as always Lisa, thanks for bringing awareness to the topic. P.S. the link to the discord in the description is expired, you may want to replace it ^^

[@LisaFevral]

I always have a new link in the latest video description that works!

[@sadiathumani3453]

That top is soo cutee

[@karolinakuc4783]

Back then you had some true talents

[@wholesomerodent]

Great commentary on this Lisa. I think the superficial thing is to criticize whiteness and Eurocentric beauty standards. But this issue is much deeper and insidious in that women are being oppressed and exploited by people in power. & That is the common thread. Also, Copenhagen Cowboy directed by Nicholas winding Refn - not a perfect film but had some themes related to this.

[@s__9939]

I mean white supremacy and eurocentic-ness is a pretty deep discussion especially when it comes to women since it causes an affect that leads to women of color being trafficked, abused, kidnapped and murdered more often but with the added bonus of the police force not giving to shits and not even trying to help

[@DiS-tj9di]

Your comment is actually pretty level surfaced. It is not superficial to talk about the whitness and the racial dynamic at Play. What would be interesting is to point out how this dynamic is hurting everybody and how there are intersection between sexism and this dynamic. It is actually black and white thinking to constantly try to create a hierarchy between issues and discard some issues that may be rightfully discussed.

[@Nick-ql2qj]

@@DiS-tj9di This!

[@Imxel21]

Smh at this comment and the people who liked it

[@mangojelly23]

12:44-12:55 THIS ! omfg