The DARK TRUTH About Satan's Fall From God

[@markh4926]

There is no place in the Bible where we are warned about a fallen angel. Isaiah 14 is a proverb against the King of Babylon and not an invention of a Lucifer, that was a description of the king and God was mocking him because he thought he was akin to a god. The King of Tyre can't be used because God was mocking him for thinking he was a god. And you can't use Revelation 12 because that was describing Rome. 1 Peter 5:8 But of course we can use this one. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" That is talking about people and not some fallen angel. God study it out.

[@Once-lost]

While it’s true that Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 have immediate contexts addressing human kings, many scholars see dual fulfillment or typology pointing to Satan’s fall due to the descriptions surpassing mere human figures (e.g., "fallen from heaven," "seal of perfection"). Revelation 12 symbolically describes the ultimate defeat of Satan, not limited to Rome, as the dragon represents the devil (Rev. 12:9). 1 Peter 5:8 directly identifies "your adversary the devil," aligning with the biblical narrative of a personal, fallen angelic being. Context supports the cohesive teaching of a personal Satan throughout Scripture. Keep studying with prayerful discernment!

[@markh4926]

@@Once-lost The term "fallen from heaven" is talking about the king being knocked from his position of power and not some angel who was made perfect and rebelled against God. "Seal of perfection" is talking about the king again who thought about himself a lot and gave no thanks to God Almighty thinking he was "brilliant" beyond any need from his Creator. Find a book on the Language of the Prophets which explains things like what is heaven, what is an earthquake, what does the "seas" represent, who and what are the Olive Trees, and many other things. If you were not so indoctrinated by the false Futurist interpretation of Revelation, you would understand that the dragon was Pagan Rome as the so-called Papal Rome had not come into existence yet. The Jesuit Francisco Ribera invented the Futurist interpretation of Revelation and Daniel around 1500 AD in a move to protect the Papacy from accusations of being the antichrist, and todays Christians believe what the Papacy is teaching them, sneaky but effective. Don't believe me? Go read Hal Lindsey's ignorant book The Late Great Planet Earth. Totally false, I read it and discarded it in the 1970's. He died a bit ago. There is no DEVIAL, as one goofy preacher pronounced the word, in 1 Peter. Have you ever met one of those people, they come into the church seeking to disrupt the truth and or seduce women. I know one but he was discovered, he was is a child rapist, I knew him personally and finally got suspicious of him and looked up the Sex Offenders site for my area, there he was, picture and crime. He was also a serial criminal with over 70 home invasions to his name. He wanted women and I knew this by his actions at AA meetings, he is over 60 and thinks he is the woman's ideal man and goes around demanding hugs from all the pretty girls, even in front of his wife. Nasty person. The church has invented this so-called 'Satan". I lay most blame on the Roman Church as they love all this occultic nonsense, idols and blasphemy. Satan, in the churches mind has the powers of a god and we were warned to have no other gods, but we needed one to blame for evil because surly man is too great to do evil even when we do all the evil and don't need any outside help. Satan in your mind is a god because he can fly around the world like Santa Claus and do all these occultic things. Stop worshipping the devil by giving it credit for god like powers. God will create evil in a city but we are evil in that city. Then Jesus Christ came into this world to save us from our own evil.

[@Once-lost]

Your argument raises several points that merit a thoughtful response. Allow me to address your claims systematically, respectfully, and within a framework of biblical interpretation grounded in Scripture, historical theology, and logic. The interpretation of passages like Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-19 as referring solely to earthly kings, such as the king of Babylon or the king of Tyre, is not without merit, but it is not the complete picture. These passages often employ dual or layered meanings, a phenomenon common in prophetic literature. While they describe earthly rulers, the language and descriptions transcend human limitations, pointing to a supernatural being behind these kings-one whose pride and rebellion led to a cosmic fall. For instance, Ezekiel 28 speaks of a figure in "Eden, the garden of God," adorned with every precious stone and described as "an anointed guardian cherub" (Ezekiel 28:13-14). These details far exceed the historical reality of any human king. This layered approach aligns with the prophetic style, where an immediate, earthly reference often points to a greater spiritual reality. You claim that Satan is an invention of the church to deflect responsibility for human evil. However, Scripture presents Satan as a real, personal being who opposes God and His people. The Old and New Testaments consistently describe Satan as the "adversary" (Job 1:6-12), the "accuser of the brethren" (Revelation 12:10), and a tempter (Matthew 4:1-11). Jesus Himself acknowledged Satan's existence, calling him the "father of lies" and a "murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44). Far from attributing godlike powers to Satan, Christian theology maintains that he is a created being, a fallen angel, whose power is limited and subject to God's sovereignty. His role in tempting humans does not absolve humanity of responsibility for sin but illustrates the interplay of external temptation and internal sinful desires (James 1:14-15). You argue that the Futurist interpretation of Revelation, popularized by Hal Lindsey and others, is a Jesuit invention to protect the papacy. While it is true that Francisco Ribera developed a futurist approach to Revelation, his work does not invalidate the broader futurist perspective. Interpretations of Revelation vary-historicist, preterist, idealist, and futurist frameworks all seek to understand the text in its historical, theological, and eschatological contexts. The futurist approach, focusing on the fulfillment of prophetic events in the future, is not inherently a product of Jesuit manipulation but can be traced to early Christian eschatological hope. The Apostolic Fathers anticipated a future return of Christ and a final reckoning with evil (e.g., Didache 16, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8). You suggest that believing in Satan's existence and activity equates to attributing godlike powers to him. This is a misunderstanding. Biblical Christianity distinguishes between God's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience, which are unique to Him, and Satan's limited capabilities as a created being. Satan is neither omnipresent nor all-knowing; he acts within the constraints allowed by God, as seen in Job 1:12. You rightly point out that humanity bears responsibility for much evil, a view consistent with Scripture. Genesis 3 records the Fall as an act of human rebellion against God, instigated by Satan's deception but carried out by Adam and Eve's disobedience. Isaiah 45:7, often misinterpreted to suggest that God creates moral evil, instead highlights God's sovereignty over calamity as part of His just governance. You conclude with a reference to Jesus Christ coming to save us from evil, and this is where we find the heart of the matter. Jesus' death and resurrection address both our internal sin and the external forces of evil, including Satan. Through His victory, we have the promise of ultimate redemption and restoration (Colossians 2:15, Revelation 20:10). In closing, your concerns about Satan and evil are rooted in legitimate frustrations with misunderstandings or misrepresentations of Scripture. However, the biblical narrative presents a coherent view of spiritual realities, human responsibility, and divine sovereignty. I encourage you to continue studying the Word of God with an open heart, seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit.