The DARKEST Cybergoth Tracks....Does The World Still Accept Them?

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[@AudiAddict]

Your paranoid interruption was so unnecessary lol your face is your face we're just happy to see you.

[@Gem_X_Retrograde]

Came here to comment exactly this ☝️ we're our own worst critics 🥲 I genuinely would not have noticed any puffiness whatsoever if you hadn't pointed it out I'm confident in my assumption that *most* of us consuming your content are far more focused on your words than nearly imperceptible shifts in your flesh-prison x

[@kenyaillianart4346]

Exactly! I didn’t even notice the puffiness.

[@imberrysandy]

As another stanger on the internet, I agree with your comment ❤

[@granthropologist3622]

Hilarious though. I tea-spat twice dude.

[@luzlorenz7255]

Still, loving them for beeing exactly like this 😂

[@zouoo]

2:27 As a 17 year old, I fully believe that this ISNT true for Alternative gen z kids. We still have the capacity to understand the appeal of satire and absurdist charm that alternative music brings.

[@neuskirachyr]

I have seen a lot of people miss the point with things like this, but in my experience it's usually been those who only get into the alternative scene bc they like the style and leave out or ignore the "culture" part of a subculture. They also tend to be very young, so I believe a lot of them will not be alternative in a few years and/or understand the irony of a lot of these types of lyrics better as they grow up

[@duerremueller3609]

@zouoo Same here, came to say this exactly

[@SRPA476]

Puffy? You look like a beautiful woodland creature. Dinnae fret. ☺️❤️

[@bruisedviolets]

If people can turn their pain into art and then release it so that others can enjoy it i think thats quite beautiful and even vulnerable

[@wannabedrewafualo]

I’m a Zoomer and I agree with your take on mocking horrible people being taken too literally. Media literacy is dead, I’m wishing for its revival! If you can’t think critically on context or do your own research on a group/artist, that’s your own issue. I absolutely love it when songs say things ironically or in a mocking sense (probably because of my Midwest sarcasm). I’m a big language person and I love it when a writer can portray a disgusting character in a way that shows how demented they are without endorsing or romanticizing their actions. This entire convo reminds me of how the Lolita novel’s purpose was originally to ostracize the p3do guy, showing how gone he was in the head, but then other media twisted it into something else and now if you read the book you’re considered a freak. Artwork can depict things without endorsing it, damnit! T-T

[@222o-u3t]

we thought this, until so many artists that sang about horrible things ended up being the horrible thing itself. marilyn manson is a major one but also dahvie vanity, MSI’s jimmy urine, pantera, literally so many predators and bigots in the rock world alone, nevermind mainstream pop.

[@Heyyouxo]

@@222o-u3t Isn’t it ironic that Christian PTA Moms said the same thing back in the 90s about rock music? Now it’s the teens and 20-somethings that would be BFFs with the conservative Christian Moms circa 1994 protesting D&D outside comic book stores.

[@leaf111]

to be fair i think a big part of the reason why gen z doesn't like music that uses 'irony' to make fun of creeps and bigots is because it's been shown time and time again that for a lot of these artists, the irony is a shield but they actually believe in what they're writing. like MSI's jimmy urine who wrote p_dophilic songs like panty shot and then turned out to actually be a p_do and child r_pist, and there's a bunch of other examples like this, especially in the alternative and hiphop scenes. for me it depends on the topic and how it's done but i am definitely automatically distrustful of and uncomfortable with any male artists acting like a r_pist or whatever 'ironically' (with some exceptions if it's handled well, like nirvana's polly), they say that so people will applaud their bravery in speaking out about those issues but it's usually clear they're doing it either purely for shock value and/or because they enjoy singing about those things because they are like that.

[@leaf111]

also sorry if you mention something like this i havent finished the video yet just wanted to write this already so i wouldnt forget and was planning to wait until i finished to post it but then i forgot about that

[@cailinanne]

@@leaf111haha the second part of your comment made me say “same” out loud. All of your points are very valid.

[@Aelffwynn]

I remember an old Bo Burnham special when he used irony to make a joke about racism, and then said, "Remember, if you see a man beating me up after the show, he's doing it ironically." That joke changed my view on some people's use of "irony" A LOT. Because just because someone's "doing it ironically," doesn't mean they're not doing it.

[@cwb1400]

Yes this! It’s like finding out the novelists you like are actually into the sick stuff they write about.

[@totoguides239]

Strongly agree. I’m a big msi fan, and I was shocked by people’s stupidity

[@shazzye5920]

You’re thinking of Eric Clapton’s Tears in Heaven…was about his son who fell out window in NYC.

[@ofherbsandaltars]

Ah, shit, yes, I am - I knew there was 'heaven' in there somewhere XD Thanks for the correction!

[@cassandrastewart1391]

Actually I believe one of Robert Plants children might’ve passed away at a very young age (or perhaps another Zep baby) so there is a connection here still, but the cool thing is, a bit less related…my dad is very old. He was alive when S2H came out. He wasn’t able to see the show in Boulder CO because he was studying for an exam, but they did a small private show afterward which he was able to attend, and they played S2H for the FIRST time. He said there was total silence, and it took the entire audience about 2 full min just to digest the damn thing. Can you fucking imagine….

[@NickArnold-y3f]

When Eric Clapton dissed slim shady , don't blame me when little Eric jumps off the terrace, you weren't watching him, apparently your not parents ,

[@maggiepie8810]

As a metalhead I feel like I have to mention Sabaton and their lyrics about war history and the horrors of war, accompanied by very catchy power metal. Another certified banger is System of a Down's Chop Suey, which is about domestic violence.

[@HeatherSchrivener-el2mx]

Marina and the Diamonds has a bunch of songs like this - more alt-pop than a lot of the suggested stuff here. Most of the tracks on the Electra Heart album are pretty dark but rhythmically super light and bouncy. “State of Dreaming,” “Primadonna Girl,” and “Homewrecker” are the first to spring to mind.

[@rainbowdemon5033]

omg I loooooove marina ans the diamonds!!!!!!! I also really love "Family jewels" "oh no!" and "are you satisfied" those songs mean so much to me and they're so good!!!

[@Emily_Emina]

I also like Marina, specially her songs human and bubblegum bitch

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I don’t know why my head went to King Diamond.

[@Otterwaffle]

Not Goth music, but I recall Pumped Up Kicks being blasted on radio stations all the time a few years back, and it didn't sound like what the song was about either. Or the classic Bohemian Rhapsody. It may be more usual in cyber goth music, but it sometimes happens in other music genres.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

I remember when that came out. I love that song despite the lyrics. Funny enough, That song is banned from radio play in the State of Colorado. The story via the radio DJ is they only played it once when it came out, but the backlash was so massive across the state that they forbid it from there on out.

[@alisonmercer5946]

It really wasn't that long ago that song was everywhere was it?

[@vladtheinhaler93]

Been covered by both Suicide Commando and 3teeth, if you want it in industrial flavour!

[@cailinanne]

Pumped Up Kicks still bums me out so much, and I hear it at like… the grocery store 🥲

[@neckpeck2738]

Hey There Delilah was a huge indie pop hit beloved to this day, and it's essentially a stalker anthem.

[@breakfastattwilight]

The dark-but-danceable features of industrial music is what I love about it, tbh. Another example of dark-but-danceable music is another one of my favorite artists: wowaka. The song, "World's End Dancehall" is about celebrating before you commit suicide. I don't know if that says anything about me lol. And the fact that industrial music uses samples from tragic and problematic sources so casually is also what I love about it. Some people don't understand irony. Some people don't look at context. Some people don't look deeper than surface level. But when you do look into the deeper meaning behind the music, you'll find out that industrial music is all about criticizing the dark side of modernity. If Contrapoints says (in her video "DECADENCE") that the gothic aesthetic is about "decayed decadence", then industrial/rivethead aesthetic is about "decayed modernity". If you listen to the track, "Violent Playground" on the EP "Basic Pain Procedure" by Nitzer Ebb, you'll hear Douglas McCarthy say that he doesn't want the audience to think that they are Nazis or fascists, because "nobody in their right fucking mind's a fascist!" I find that goes for most industrial music. I really hope that internet culture gets past cancel culture and learns nuance. I "cancelled" punk, goth and industrial music out of my life at one point. I did it when I found out that the Siouxsie song, "Love in a Void" originally had the lyric, "Too many Jews for my liking". I'm Jewish, and that was not ok to me. To this day I still do not listen to Sixousie because it's still hard to tell what the band's stance really is. However, my opinion changed when I listened to the Ramones song, "Today your love, tomorrow the world," which not only uses Nazi slogans, but also had the lyric, "I'm a Nazi, Schatzi" in the uncensored version. Two of the original members of the Ramones were Jewish... Made me realize that this was the '70s version of trolling. Also made me realize that the skinheads who embrace Nazism are true morons if they don't realize/don't care that the pioneers of punk rock were Jews. Sorry this comment was a little all over the place! I gave this issue a lot of thought.

[@w0rlds-end_]

wowaka's music is amazing. his band, hitorie, also has similar things. a lot of the music is danceable (both in an energetic way and a more calm, ballet type way) but if you look up the lyrics, a lot of them are quite sad, lyrically.

[@anasthasiazwanziger]

I totally agree! May wowaka rest in peace, we lost a legend but I'm thankful for his music

[@Nakushita1215]

When it comes to dark lyric bangers I always think of Blasphemous Rumors. Absolutely love that song.

[@marringofarda]

yesssss!!!!! my favourite depeche mode song ever i think

[@rainbowdemon5033]

funnily enough, the genre I listen to with the most dark songs is vocaloid. A lot of my favourite songs are about suicide and abuse, there's artists like kikou and kariki bear that pretty much only do dark subjects to banger songs. and even indie jpop artists focus on that, like moe shop with songs like notice me and ghost food

[@buttershy_]

i love how this video and the comments underneath it are a wealth of musical knowledge. a nice break from whatever the internet has turned into over the past few years!!

[@jessicalandrey8421]

Another song about 9/11 that I think was done well is MCR’s “Skylines and Turnstiles” since it was the event that pushed Gerard Way to begin the band. It’s based in his experience witnessing the towers fall from across the river on his commute to NYC. It’s dark, but I think respectful, especially coming from a witness who was deeply affected by it. I’ve never heard anyone call it “offensive”, which I appreciate because that would do the song and its theme a great disservice. Whoops, this is turning into a small rant. I just really love the song.

[@bruisedviolets]

agreed, saw this video last night and 9/11 was on my mind so i ended up in an adhd spiral of documentaries and fell asleep to that album haha

[@cmay7429]

Yeah, I don't see how anyone who didn't experience a trauma has any right to be offended by someone who DID experience the trauma and is processing their grief. Kind of a messed up mindset. Don't listen to the song. 🤷‍♀️

[@Lewis-g4x]

I’m a late gen Z and Skylines and turnstiles has always been one of my favourite mcr songs and I had no idea it was about 9/11 ( abit off topic I do apologise ) but I only learned about 9/11 very recently and it was never taught in history which I feel has led to a lot of people not knowing / understanding 9/11 if they were born after 2001

[@Lewis-g4x]

But in short personally whith the 9/11 context I think the song is paying respect though art ( music )

[@cailinanne]

Well I can speak to how some Americans felt that day. I was 15 on sept 11 2001, getting ready for school when my dad said “hey come look some pilot crashed his plane into one of the twin towers.” We all thought it was an accident at first because a) we didn’t know it was a commercial airliner and b) it had happened before with the Empire State Building… then he and I stood there watching in horror as the second plane hit. My most clear memory of the morning besides seeing that plane come in off screen like some kind of cartoon villain was me saying over and over “this wasn’t an accident, no way any of this was an accident, this wasn’t an accident.” And watching the people jump… omg watching the people jumping and feeling so helpless and scared, especially since my father was a retired military man. I could see in his eyes he wanted to be there to help. Weirdly they sent us all to school? looking back it was purely because no one knew what to do. (today I’m sure parents would keep their kids home). I went to my choir class for second period and we spent the first half consoling one of the girls because we thought she had just found out her flight attendant mother had died. (About ten minutes before we got to that class everyone in the US found out the flight numbers.) Her mother was supposed to be deadheading back on that first plane, and we all knew there was no way she could have survived…Then 20ish minutes through “class” her father’s cell phone he made her being to school rang… it was her MOTHER. Mom had been asked to work another flight because they needed an attendant on it since someone else had called in sick, so she didn’t get on the first plane!!! (In case you’re too young to know, the reason it took her mother so long to call was because they were jamming cell phone towers in NYC in case the terrorists were planning to use them to detonate bombs.) The entire choir weep together, we were sooooo happy. But that was just the first half of the day for me. Basically the rest was a daze. I ended up going home after choir because that was really emotional for a bunch of 15 yr old girls and we all just wanted to be with our parents and siblings. With all that said, I really think that _Thanks For Playing_ is a piece of weird art worth holding onto. I remember still jamming to that song in my friend’s Volvo later in highschool. (we used stuff like that as a kind of trauma exposure therapy?) It really captures the moment in a little audio time capsule. Plus it shows just how connected we all were in that moment- I mean, a gothpop PATRIOT song?! It’s crazy to think about now. And I know this is corny, but I don’t want people to forget how we felt during those days.

[@xHalleyHeroine]

Did you grow up on the west coast? I was in 3rd grade when it happened and I was already at school. We watched everything happen on the TV for awhile and then they dismissed school and everyone went home. I figured if you were still home then you must have been in a different time zone, or you had a cool school where you didn’t have to be there at 8am lol.

[@SlpBeauty333]

The phones were not taken over by terrorists, they were jammed because so many people were trying to call and find their loved ones. You would pick up the phone and get a busy signal instead of a dial tone. The Towers were actually broadcast towers. When it was bombed the first time, we lost TV reception. I have never been more scared than when I FINALLY got through to my Dad, who worked downtown at the time. I could see the big picture and I knew that I had to hang up on him so other people could get through to their loved ones. I knew he was safe and had a plan to get home to the suburbs. I still have issues with the Empty Sky. I had just turned 30 and broken up a long term relationship. I had to move back in with my parents because I was a starving grad student at the time. The regular observation deck, you had to step down to sit there? You were right against the glass. For me, it was extra heartbreaking because the last time I went there? I was with my Dad and it was a very clear day, so the outside catwalk was open to tourists. I know where those people were standing. My Dad and I both still have the tourist brochure from that day, mid-1980s. The title took a really bad turn. At the time, it was a sassy NYC thing. But after? Ouch. Just ouch, scroll if you're not up to it because it's not good, even this many years after. . . . . . The title is "This is the closest to heaven some of us will ever get". I mean WTF that's just cruel. You have to know how tall and straight those buildings were. The other skyscrapers don't have that, they're tiers. If you stood at the foot of the Twin Towers, it looked like it was about to fall over on you. That it actually did? It's still messing with a lot of people who just can't go there, even though the memorial is supposed to be beautifully done and healing? I just can't. I've always been scared of heights and that day with my Dad, I felt so safe and enjoyed the view. I was going to try to go back to see if I could do therapy to get over my fear of heights and now I can't. Lots of love from NYC ❤️

[@a-ms9760]

After that interlude about puffy face i expected to see a balloon but i noticed nothing haha

[@jasperjones3576]

As an American Gen-Zer I gotta say, weirdly the one thing we aren't offended by is anything to do with 9/11. My friends, who are the same people who claim a 17 yr old dating a 15 yr old is grooming, will turn around and laugh their asses off at the most tasteless and offensive 9/11 meme. I think it's because growing up 9/11 really got hammered into us by adults at a time and age where we weren't ready to understand that kind of thing. They had us watching tapes of people jumping off the towers and making last phone calls to their loved ones while we were seven years old in elementary school.

[@Lewis-g4x]

As a British gen Z I personally was never taught anything and I mean anything about 9/11 and I only learned about it literally the other week ( I knew a plane crashed into a tower but that’s literally it ) and I feel like the lack of education of 9/11 at least where I’m from made people desensitised from it as they have no understanding of what happened

[@EmilyDyeren]

“F*ck with a witch” is a song by Banshee, I’m pretty sure she is Gen Z. It samples some of the KZbin videos Eliot Rodger posted where he rants about how no women want him. (He is known as the poster child for extreme incelism because he shot 7 people including himself) It is received pretty well, I assume a lot of the songs fans are Gen Z.

[@Cyber.Dollie]

i never knew where that sample came from actually! circling back to the reception, personally i do find their dark lyrics very healing and i’d assume other young people can also relate and overall like it as you said. anyway sorry for my ramble i get really excited when i find other ppl who like banshee!

[@hazelwebb125]

Completely off the subject at hand but…would you ever do a makeup video to just share the products you love and enjoy using, I’m sure the enquiring minds of us pale beans would love to know 😬

[@Andrew-rz9ck]

I watched in real time as the planes on 911 hit the towers. I don't know how id feel about a song on that subject. I watched as people threw themselves off the tower top floors because falling to your death was a better option than being burned alive. You could see multiple people throwing themselves out of where the plane had collided. It was the most horrifying thing ive ever seen. I can't forget what I saw right down to the massive dirt cloud consuming entire streets.

[@blue_anime_cat2526]

Ps: 20th of April 99 Columbine 26th of Aoril 02 Erfurt The "german part" starts telling about the 25th, what was the pre-evening of the Erfurt-amok in Germany. So they don't talk in this first lines not about Columbine but draw a line to a german school-shooting 3 years later! 🐦‍⬛meow😻

[@Jiihariial]

Thank you! I understood it well enough to get the dates but didn't have the historic knowledge to understand the relevance

[@blue_anime_cat2526]

@@Jiihariial You're very welcome!😻

[@odothedoll2738]

I love grooving to songs about horrible things it’s extremely cathartic. There are some things that I think go too far but I recognize that it was made in a specific time and scene. Some things that are intentionally boundary pushing will always age badly it’s just life.

[@Lasagna498]

It’s okay, my face gets really puffy too if I oversleep at all. I get embarrassed to go out.

[@stepfitz1016]

I know it's not cybergoth, but I remember Otep's Warhead made a big impact on me as a youngin, I had never heard someone call out the president and commentary on the war in any sort of way. And then you had Byob by System of a Down. Both pretty mainstream in comparison and I would say pretty well received.

[@doranwijnmaalen8591]

Please never stop making videos, i love them so much

[@sunnysolaris23]

First song that comes to my mind is Boomtown Rats "I don't like mondays" about school shooter Brenda Ann Spencer. "I don't like mondays" was her answer to the question why she did it. Not exactly a banger but still oddly cheerful regarding the subject.

[@celedhion]

Tears for Fears was my introduction into those heavy songs that sound like dance anthems. Songs like Shout, Mad World, The Hurting. It's become my favorite sub-sub-genre of music styles. The absolute dichotomy of the desperation in the lyrics, with the instrumentals demanding you tap your foot and shake your hips. I'm going to look into the songs you've mentioned and linked! (Also, one of the reasons I've always despised the Mad World piano cover. It became almost more popular than the original and it completely ruined the original juxtaposition in the production.) Edit: I don't have any goth or cybergoth dance tracks, but I would like to recommend '19' by Paul Hardcastle to go along with your fascination with Boole's track. It's about the Vietnam War and the average age of soldiers being 19 and includes snippets from newscasts and documentaries, overlaid with 80s synthpop dance tunes. But, would there even be cybergoth tracks without the past of 80s synthpop? ;P

[@maira7804]

I have the same experience with vocaloid/jpop lol some songs are literally about committing suicide in a gruesome manner but boy the music is so upbeat For example "otome dissection", "shoujo rei", "ruru's suicide show on a livestream", "sayoko", and i could go on forever

[@maira7804]

Also there's a song called "a sardine grows from the soil" which is literally about the atomic bomb It's such a bop lol

[@AutumnsFlameDances]

What about 'Cassie' by Flyleaf? Its catchy, was popular at the time and based on 'truth' (aka what they thought was true at the time -cassie being shot in head at Columbine after agreeing she believed in god...turned out to be a different student).

[@hannahcapps2750]

I remember that song.🎧

[@steamvyrus6249]

As a Gen Z guy myself, I definitely see people around me taking song lyrics, social media posts, movies, even stuff like books a bit too literally sometimes. I've never been super like that myself, but I have noticed I'm sort of reflexively cautious around it. Even when I'm pretty sure it's satirical or not actually making light of horrible situations, I do tend to pause and do quite a bit of research on the people behind the media if I'm at home. I suppose it sort of developed from the difficulty in telling peoples tone through the internet/text-based social media and began to bleed out elsewhere. Alongside that though, the general defensiveness and perhaps unhealthy obsession with purity and putting tragedy, explicit topics, etc. into a separate 'box' (or outright wanting it gone completely) in my experience came from the trauma we experienced of being on the internet way too young. Maybe trauma isn't the right word, but most of us were exposed to extremely explicit imagery and videos, predators, and all of the most horrible things in the world at such a young age through the news, social media, etc. We were all far too young. I think it's become a sort of coping mechanism for many to overcompensate in our reaction to content similar to this today.

[@svenbengtsson9753]

Your last point is very true, I have never thought about it in that way.. it's a collective reaction to the dark corners of the internet way before we were ready

[@kibcutie5375]

besides... even as an adult now, i'm never TRULY ready for some of the awful things i stumble over across the internet. it has to be a reaction to all that we were exposed to as children. there were no rules or etiquette so it's enforced to the extreme now.

[@extragnodon]

wonderfully said!

[@fllowerknight]

​@kibcutie5375 what u said!

[@cmay7429]

An insightful theory.

[@Amanda-kf7pm]

Not goth but my favorite dark lyric song is probably Nirvana's Polly. That song makes me so uncomfortable to listen to sometimes, but its absolute poetry. I think the smiths do a pretty good job at going the other way, making a dark topic comical (Girlfriend in a Coma). But I totally agree with you, I think really takes a wordsmith lyricist to pull this kind of thing off.

[@jan-seli]

I probably wouldn't have even noticed how your face was puffy if you didn't point it out. It's really not bad.

[@ananousous]

Personally, I struggle to notice. If that's the trade off for 12 hours of sleep, gd I'd sell my soul to get the 12 hours whenever I want. (Honestly, I'd take that deal even if it had me looking like Kirby the next day)

[@BillSikes.]

Dorien! You're always Beautiful and Radiant, this is an inner quality, it comes from your Heart, it makes you Shine like the mid-day Sun 🌞

[@Curse_T]

Not cybergoth, tbh I don't know what genre I'd call them, but SKYND have some absolute bangers. All very dark murder/crime topics. The songs Jim Jones and Armin Meiwes are two of my favourites, along with Tyler Hadley, Columbine and Richard Ramirez.

[@monaelias2154]

Love Skynd!

[@LFlowers36-o3p]

Love Assemblage 23 and Disappoint! I often get mixed up with VNV when listening lol. I adore Placebo's ability to merge hard-hitting, emotional lyrics with upbeat tuneage too!

[@nimrodgrrrl]

SKYND is definitely a band that comes to mind. Also, fucking loved this video. Also also, glazed donut is a hilarious way to describe this look (even tho you’re gorgeous!!!). 🤍

[@sarahherbison5419]

Velvet Acid Christ , Ministry, and My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult use a lot of movie samples.

[@ofherbsandaltars]

Yesss, it was VAC I had in my head for the movie samples (also possibly Ultraviolence, though I think theirs are more mad recordings, but I do recall one quite disturbing one from a looong time ago...), but was brainfarting hard on the tracks I wanted to include. Fun With Drugs is a classic though, on the sillier front, I love having those Fear & Loathing samples immortalised and accessible on that track. 'Did you eat all of this acid? YES! MUSICCCC!!!'

[@amazonionavalon8252]

I was really into Ministry in my nineties Goth days (still play them now, when im in the right mood) and had friends point out offensive themes in some of their samples, such as the Nazi chants. I always think back to Marilyn Manson's comments about a lot of his deliberately shocking lyrics and imagery simply being 'pantomime' put out there for shock effect. I have deep and genuine respect however for anyone Jewish who is offended by the Hitler/Nazi connotations.

[@superdrwholock]

😂 Your way with words is exquisite bro

[@1212karategirl]

I'm surprised to see you didn't mention "American Me" by Tactical Sekt! Also a banger about 9/11 using news clips!

[@ofherbsandaltars]

Ohhh, interesting! I actually haven't heard this somehow! :O Gonna rectify this!! :D

[@cailinanne]

I forgot about that one! Thank you for a reminder. I want to make a playlist now for my baby goth niece so she can get the vibe for what it was like. She asks a lot and now that she’s 19, it’s no hold back time. ❤

[@goeasylittledoves]

I’m 27 so I consider myself a millennial (but just barely, born in late December) so I remember 9/11 really clearly. My mom was pregnant with my youngest sister so we were all worried about her, which is maybe why such a young memory stands out. But as someone who is kinda poised between the generations, the only thing I feel even slightly offended by (and even that’s a strong word, critical is probably better) is the flagrant patriotism. I think it’s a good snapshot of a moment in time and raw emotions like that have a place. But being old enough to remember it on tv but not old enough to really understand what was happening, I know the first concern I had when I finally did understand the backstory was racism. By like 8 years old my primary concern was how anyone even vaguely middle eastern looking would be treated. And I know when I verbalized that to my parents they were really surprised by that. My mom even got nostalgic for how “together” the country felt, especially in comparison to how it felt during Covid. But when I pointed out how many POC probably felt, she had legitimately never thought about that. And that’s genuinely fascinating to me. I skipped over all the unity and came into my “personhood” right at the peak stage of division. At the time I imagine we didn’t have nearly as easy access to a lot of extra context and the way our government used a mass tragedy to further an agenda. I don’t mind shocking music, but I want shock and outrage about that, about propaganda, radicalization of young children, exploitation of the working class, manipulation by politicians. I think bringing up some really dark subject matter contrasted with that messaging is far more poignant than “you’re gonna pay for fucking with the USA…”

[@amandagraney137]

I absolutely loved the fact hat you started with A23 and Disappoint - it was literally the first track I thought of when I saw the title of the video! A23 live rent free in my brain alongside VNV Nation at al :), and honestly - the ability to talk about the darkest things of human experience is why I love the whole Goth scene and why I guess I was always destined to be goth

[@katleiahveridian6564]

It's so nice to see another person loving on Assemblage 23. I think that guy is a genius, and his music is beautiful. aspire to see them someday.

[@user-fn8bq7ef7t]

Pumped Up Kicks and Dance with the Devil (Immortal Technique) had an absolute choke hold on us as teenagers. I don’t think they would be as well received now.

[@TheQueenOfNightmares]

Happy/bouncy/danceable songs about horrible or upsetting subjects is 100% my vibe so thank you for this. I’m having the worst morning, but this helps.

[@amazonionavalon8252]

I hope your day/week improved ❤

[@bubbles1366]

Yay!! !my favorite KZbinr is back! Look forward to listening to your videos all the time

[@dandelionsystem]

It's so interesting hearing you talk about this. It makes me think of the song "...and then she bled" by suicide silence. It's a screamo song I think and it's got samples from a 911 call of a woman who's pet monkey fatally attacked her friend. It's quite horrific but was a favorite of mine in my teens. I'll definitely be giving "thanks for playing with US" a listen.

[@1411SAW]

I thought of this song too!!

[@wannabedrewafualo]

Was this the Travis the Chimp mauling?

[@dandelionsystem]

@@wannabedrewafualo IDK but I looked it up and it says the song is about that mauling; although it says the clips are recreations of the recording rather than samples.

[@nyxatni6ht]

i would translate the german samples in sitd's laughingstock to just about this: it was the evening before the massacre, it is the 25th of april, a friendly warm spring day, it was to happen on the next day. i have heard terrible things, but we are not allowed to say anything, but we are not allowed to say anything, how could this terrible thing happen? i have heard terrible things. within ten minutes the perpetrator shoots 69 times, most of them (shots) hit. there is also at least one long and furious article where the author basically rages about the "lyrical incompetence" in this song and how the worst of it is, like you said, how little they actually contribute to the topic.

[@ofherbsandaltars]

Ahhh, thank you!! Wonder if that clip has a source...'cause the date is definitely wrong, so, maybe plucked from somewhere else just for vibes? Equally, there was SO much misinformation about that tragedy in the years that followed, I guess it's no surprise things are wonky. I keep meaning to rewatch Bowling for Columbine, just to see how much we now know to be crap since the court record documents were unsealed iirc 15 years later, and Dave Cullen wrote his book... The furious article sounds interesting! XD

[@cailinanne]

@@ofherbsandaltarsyep super wrong date. It’s a date I’ll never forget, because it is my birthday. 😂

[@jamila5677]

​@cailinanne The date is actually not wrong. I am quite sure they're referencing the mass shooting on the 26th of april in erfurt. The school massacre happened only one year before the songs release and is to this day the biggest school massacre in germany. I'm guessing the samples are from actual german news reports.

[@jamila5677]

​@@cailinanne​ I am quite sure they're referencing the mass shooting in erfurt. The school massacre happened only one year before the songs release and is to this day the biggest school massacre in germany. I'm guessing the samples are from german news reports. I agree, that they're saying quite little lyrically but at least they didn't get the date wrong 😅

[@Chris2211]

@@ofherbsandaltars Honestly Dave Cullen's book is highly inaccurate bordering on fan fiction. If you want better book recommendations on the subject I greatly recommend Columbine: A True Crime Story by Jeff Kass, Evidence Ignored by Rita Gleason, No Easy Answers by Brooks Brown, or even A Mother's Reckoning by Sue Klebold

[@oliviaisgod]

Wolfsheim -Once in a Lifetime is the greatest sad goth club banger. It's a song about a guy denouncing God and committing suicide after his pregnant wife drowns. I actually find it to be such a cathartic experience to get down to that one in da club lol.

[@velvet_nothing_4633]

I love this song, though I have never read the lyrics so didn't know it was about that. Heroin She Said is another that is pretty damned dark and catchy!

[@cyberpsycho9250]

It’s not cybergoth but a good modern alternative band that covers dark topics is Skynd. Almost all of their songs are about serial killers, cults, murderers and murder victims. There are a few samples in some of their songs, but mostly they just research their topic and make music about them, using facts and quotes to make some awesome songs!

[@mightbeavampire]

the rubella ballet song about the london tower that burnt down is the most recent one i can think of. they use samples im pretty sure but the only one i can remember is a sample of kids singing London's burning at the end

[@SeiichirouUta]

I don't listen to a lot of electro, but one guy who immediately comes to mind is :Wumpscut:. He made songs like Irak, Koslow, Achtung!, Totmacher... a whole plethora of songs you can dance to that have a dark rl background. But tbh in his case most of them do sound pretty aggressive. There is one (more rock-ish) song that blows me away every time, because it sounds so cute and upbeat, but is seriously dark and all too relatable: "Picking up pieces" by Blue October. While it sounds like he's having the best day ever, the singer Justin sings about his rl struggles with mental health, drug addiction etc. If you want to feel good while feeling bad or vice versa, give it a listen. And if you ever thought "I don't like Mondays" by the Boomtown Rats was a happy song, because you've never listened closely... look up what they're singing about. I've heard that one way of getting stress out of our bodies is by laughing (and/or dancing). So if this is true, then dogmatically forbidding people to laugh about topics that scare or sadden them might be more harmful to them than good. Maybe if one tends to do that: Ask before you judge? Sounds like a decent strategy in general, I think. btw, if you want to find more songs about 9.11: there is a whole Wikipedia page for that, "List of songs about the September 11 attacks"

[@RichardDzien]

Can i get an honourable mention for Carry You by VNV too? About carrying on and being who you are despite what may have have happened in your past.

[@elizaseria]

It’s okay waking up to a puffy face. That’s what happens when sleeping, but it usually goes back to normal after a couple of hours.

[@lms1068]

Sleep, glorious sleep ❤ you obviously needed that rest. Thanks for another cool video.

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Your vulnerability and honesty is so touching .. you are beautiful sweetheart .. You’re empath and absolutely wonderful and you’ve kept me sane during the most isolated darkest times of my life . I have innatentive ADHD and RSD, CPTSD and feel like I’m with someone feels understands .. I’m also an ex H and benzo addict … I feel safe here Thank you Dorian ❤❤

[@amazonionavalon8252]

I completely agree and feel very deeply what you say about how Dorian has kept us sane and been a huge source of comfort to so many subscribers. I think Dorian will be really pleased to know just how many of us have felt less alone and more understood and 'seen' via his vlogs and 'tangential' musings. I like to think of us all as like a secret society who are spiritually connected forever by our anticipation and exhilaration at new Dorian content appearing on KZbin ❤

[@maggiepie8810]

I found a pretty brutal German review of SITD's Laugingstock. It criticises the song for being tasteless and called the lyrics miserable, flat, and full of platitudes. The German bits don't add much poetic value, as they sound like they could've been sampled from a radio programme about the massacre. I think you can criticise them all you want for lack of depth and creative merits. Ps. Bruderschaft means brotherhood in German, corrct! 😉

[@meenymo1083]

I always think about most vocaloid songs when talking about this subject (vocaloid is japanese tech computer singing, not someone actually singing), they always sound kinda eery but you wouldn’t guess most lyrics are about SA, abuse, c4nnibalism and so on. 12 year old me had no business listening to them lmao

[@222o-u3t]

ahh the days of listening to iNsAnITy 😂

[@annabellknajder7518]

Hey Dorian I got curious about the laughingstock sample and went to translate, as I’m a native speaker. I’m certain the German sample in Laughingstock wasn’t about columbine at all but a school shooting incident in Erfurt Germany which happened on the 26th of April 2002. I don’t know if it was trying to be a copycat thing with the date being around a similar time, obviously it was still indirectly inspired by columbine, but the one in Germany had to do with it being the last day of the written “A-level” exams. The shooter also only targeted teachers and only killed students accidentally trough a door. It most likely had to do something with him getting expelled the previous September for faking a doctors note. At the time and only in this part of Germany, this left him with NO school credentials at all and the school instantly (and later found illegally) destroying his future for missing a few days. So yeah, in my opinion this doesn’t make the song deeper at all. The two incidents are school shootings but possibly very different in motive and circumstance. With no commentary on either, the only similarity being murder, it only makes the song MORE surface level imo. The samples translate to “The evening before the massacre, it’s the 25th of april. A friendly warm spring day” , “I had terrible [unintelligible] but we aren’t allowed to say anything.” “How could such a Bloodbath happen?” and “Within 10 minutes the perpetrator fires off 69 shots. Most of them hit.”

[@cringelord4208]

honestly i think this sort of music rules. with the way the world is like right now there's something kind of weirdly beautiful about putting tragic lyrics in banger music. i've gotten pretty disillusioned with general positivity but there's something about sad music that you can dance to that feels so much more genuinely hopeful than the "ooo you're not alone (insert melancholic piano solo)" stuff. of course both styles have their own artistic value. but this Depressing Banger subtype of music just does something to my mood i can't even describe...? even when they're gratuitous and maybe not tasteful i feel like it's sort of necessary for them to be this way sometimes. like they actually acknowledge how bad things actually are. and the music not sounding depressing feels kinda like a. maybe "despite all that we can still live" message. i don't know how other people in my age range (early 20s, older gen zs) feel about it but like personally? i feel like these older songs might've been really important to people living through the tragedies back then because even if you're not involved with the current tragedy it will affect you. and i think we could use a few songs like this right now, maybe. not sure how they'd be received by the public though. we do have a big problem with excessive moral policing of literally everything, unfortunately

[@kikimorewarrior]

The album TeenWitch by Bones is an interesting album all about Columbine, a lot of it from the perspective of the shooters and a lot of it certainly can be seen as offensive though I believe the intent was an album documentary about the shooting.

[@bee748]

sick and making kandi while binging your content your videos are so comforting

[@stacib1992]

Bullet by hollywood undead is a banger but it's sad

[@jasminefox44]

I have a generally puffy face but it turns out I must notice it more than anyone else on myself because I didn't even notice on you at all!

[@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3]

I think you're a bit biased when it comes to genz's sensitive nature. as a gen z person, I think it's rather the opposite. there's a huge resurgence in being edgy for the sake of edge because people want to rebel against "triggered snowflakes." it sounds like your impression of gen z comes from chronically online tiktok users. I went to school with other gen z kids, they're edgy as hell. it's only online that you see everyone taking everything literally and sending death threats over minor disagreements. we are more aware of social injustice yes, but with that comes an equal reaction from the other side who love offending people for the sake of it. I think what's really happening is everything's being sanitised to be more advertiser friendly, that's why you can't cover certain topics in certain ways anymore if you want to have a platform.

[@violyss9274]

Since childhood, we had access to all of the words tragedies in our hands due to the internet. Members of gen Z are often traumatized, desensitized, and yet compassionate people because of that. We can take a lot of dark information

[@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3]

@@violyss9274 desensitisation is a huge thing as well. a big thing I noticed with other kids in my school is they literally just didn't care about anything. they showed a documentary about malala in my class once and everyone laughed and made racist jokes about it. the people taking it seriously were the minority. I just think it's very biased when dorian's information on gen z doesn't come from being around them himself, just what's being fed to him through a biased algorithm.

[@darth-milk]

skylines and turnstiles by my chemical romance is about 9/11 if you want to give that a listen. the whole band formed because of jt

[@ladylaudanum8663]

Soylent Green had brilliant movie quotes.

[@calestaiezu214]

I always loved NOFX's My Orphan Year. It's pretty dark, but I can feel how cathartic it is for Fat Mike. It makes me realize that so many people around my age had shitty childhoods too and I wasn't alone.

[@stevielove4778]

FULL Disclosure : I don’t have time to watch yet- am reacting to the thumbnail question alone!! - but : these are not mutually-exclusive. I would say things that cause moral-outrage DO provoke thought.

[@zaraweiss608]

This video was awesome. But I swear, some of your quips just kill me. The "donuts forming a mothership" and "moon's bouncing backside" comment from the start took me the fuck out for about twenty minutes. 😂

[@ananousous]

That cap and the whole fit is wildly kickass

[@danemeow8]

The ones that come just off the top of my head might be Cassie by Flyleaf, maybe Orange Crush by REM, and then possibly Stan from Eminem? The song Long Distance Call by the Japanese band BUCK-TICK is one of my all time favs and is about the lead singer Atsushi Sakurai's (may he rest in peace he just died unexpectedly last year) Mother passing away, which hits home for me something fierce. They are like a Japanese Goth post punky type of band that rules if youre interested. just spitballing though its hard to say since theyre all different genres. I know I know of more but I cant seem to access that info right now haha/ Thanks for this Ace video Dorian, Ive been hoping youd make a video about some interesting cybergoth music, but you did one better and made it genuinely so interesting of a topic on top of that, super cool (that outfit and makeup and all look fking amazing as well, love that style!)

[@WeirdCr3ature]

Not really goth, but Cygnets!! Incredibly danceable synthwave type of music with quite dark lyrics sometimes. Two examples are ‘Richey Edwards Traces’ which yes, is about THE Richey Edwards and the song ‘ana & mia’ which is (pretty obviously) about eating disorders. All their songs are absolute BANGERS too, so definitely would recommend in my opinion.

[@K2stazh]

"Thanks for playing" is such an amusing find! The contrast between such bassy banger music and the tragic content is so interesting and certainly something that wouldn't be released today. The part with "for fucking with the USA" makes me chuckle each time. I'm not from the USA, so maybe that's also why I don't feel too sensitive about the subject matter. Anyway, glad you shared about it.

[@maike2742]

Revenge by London after midnight No idea about the backstory but first hearing the song as a german caught me of guard...

[@SB-ez3dw]

Why can’t we sleep for 12 hours and wake up with abs?

[@odothedoll2738]

Sorry I keep commenting I keep thinking of more stuff. It doesn’t have samples per say but the kinslayer by nightwish has quotes that Dylan and Eric supposedly said during columbine read out.

[@mothmustardseed1858]

You are lovely and seeing your face makes me happy, no matter how potato-smiley it may be. ❤

[@Pannenkoekenplantje]

The very danceable recent song that comes to mind is Hang by 8 Graves, about offing your friend group and then yourself. But it's a banger. Or, alternatively, Little Monster by Royal Blood. Very creepy if you look at the lyrics, still a banger too.

[@Theekaem]

Plz plz plz make more cyber goth content , absolutely love this video

[@lauren1779]

She Wants Revenge I’m obsessed with I can’t remember the band name! I found the song in the American horror story Hotel season.

[@bruisedviolets]

that is the band name! the song you’re thinking of is tear you apart

[@rebeljedielf9952]

Omg thank you so much for linking the songs bc I was fully about to get out a pen and paper and write down these songs and bands to look up later bc they sound like my kind of music lmao

[@neko_nie]

I would enjoy you talking more about music! Really enjoyed this video

[@nyxatni6ht]

ooohh, i would be VERY happy to listen to the no-where-to-be-found stromkern track!!

[@lumii903]

Actually i love seeing you :( i didn't notice anything im serious but i understand how u feel bc I'm paranoid too lol but i hope u will realise how many ppl love you including ur appearance i love seeing u on the screen

[@xloveotomyx]

33:56 the song probably wont be affected by copyright if it cant be found anywhere else online, there are a lot of music reupload channels on here that post rare/hard to find music and ive never seen any of them get taken down so far! you could also always make a second channel for uploading music if youre worried about your main channel being affected by copyright! id love to hear the track you mentioned- + any other rare(?) music you have saved :-)

[@Haxle]

30kft by Assemblage 23 came to mind as well which I believe is also about a man on one of the planes on 9/11. Excellent vid btw!

[@gusdichtel2335]

Damn you know your music and even though growing up I was a sk8er our group did start to go to raves and the way you are explaining away is reminding me of my first time rolling so in goth terms we weren't so vanilla but never been to a gotn rave as a matter of fact i asked a group of goths what i had to do to get into their rave event and they said i would have to sacrifice a live chicken......I'll just leave it at that.😂

[@emmakara8907]

My god there's really people that care THAT much about your face/weight?? Don't they have anything better to do with their lives? Lmaoo? My god the misery. Anyway, been getting into synthpop and future pop lately so this should be a good stepping stone lol

[@serrakagin]

“…and Then She Bled” by Suicide Silence, it’s based on the true story of a woman being attacked by her pet chimpanzee and has a recreation of the original 911 call that plays throughout the song. It’s a cool song but also kinda disturbing.

[@chloe-pf1bo]

Hii, could you make more videos about music ? You're the person who got me into goth music, i'd love to hear more about the music you listen to, or even just a playlist 🖤

[@yourlocalsadqueer5427]

i think the sample in Laughingstock is talking about a school shooting that happened in Erfurt on April 26th in 2002 as it says that April 25th was the day prior to the massacre

[@hanami_fernweh8097]

My clearest memory of sept. 11….The teachers had put up our drawings on the walls of our elementary school and the drawings showed ppl jumping. Horrific, but art and music is a way of coping. I appreciate this kind of music, I think something can be messed up and also beautiful. Love hearing your opinions.

[@Unknownclient236]

I just listened to Thanks For Playing...I remember the utter terror of that day and I think this track definitely captures that feeling. Art is about emotion, and I don't think there should be canceling... it's fucked up to cancel feelings. Music also brings us together. To lose that unity because some are too sensitive would be a tragic loss. People can choose what they listen to. If they don't like it, they can turn it off. I actually have a Playlist named "Sad songs, happy music." Thank you again for your wonderful perspectives.

[@Amanda-kf7pm]

Oh I just remembered Drab Majesty's The Demonstration is about the mass suicide of a UFO cult from the 90s. I think they even use a few samples of the cult members speaking. I think the album is really well done, but it also has that dichotomy of this ethereal synth pop vibe with these lyrics that are fairly haunting once you look up the details.

[@tailypox299]

I LOVE your outfit and look in this video 🤩❤

[@cosmiqoutcast]

Thank you sm Dorian, I'll check out your recommendations right away and use the musical fuel to clean my depression room!

[@emschlef]

on the indie side I recommend Westfall by Okkervil River. it's based on the 1991 yogurt shop murders in Texas. John Wayne Gacy, Jr. by Sufjan Stevens is a gorgeous song too.

[@foxandfae]

I always love your musical musings 😊

[@Sytheduke]

I’m working on a song about how the next of kin have a lot of control over how their trans kids are buried if they die young. One of my friends was a trans woman who was buried as a man after dying in a car wreck when we were all 21, and her mom justified it by saying angels don’t have genders