The Death of Investing In English Weiss Schwarz! A Look Back at all the Products for 2023.

English Weiss Schwarz investing is over. Flippers, scalpers, and investors have been destroyed in 2023. Today I look at the current prices for Kayuga: Love is War?, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Kill la Kill, Log Horizon, Date a Live 2, Bang Dream Girls Band Party 5th Anniversary, Sword Art Online 10th Anniversary, Saekano: How to Raise a Boring Girlfriend Flat, The Quintessential Quintuplets Movie, Avatar The Last Airbender, Revue Starlight Re: Live, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime.
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[@smartman8433]

TCG just needs to adopt the sport side of collecting. each new production of a particular "Anime" needs to be unique by design, leaving the other set/sets to be collectible. and they have to set limits on deck runs, some of us like that not everyone will get that set or get a SSR or Signature. and don't allow case box hording.

[@mcwildcats8isgr8]

I'm still buying sealed cases for the popular releases. But, I think the main thing I've realized is I don't even have to bother with pre-ordering anymore. Just wait until the actual release comes out and I can still pick up the cases I want at the pre-order price, if not cheaper, even for the most popular releases.

[@audrisampson]

Yeah buying after release during the dip is a good way to maximize profit. Not something people had a chance of doing in the past when sets sold out in the first weekend.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

it is a nice plan unless people stop over ordering. that is a good lesson to learn from this.

[@esdesuwu]

I'm still fairly new, only being into Weiss since 2020, but even then it was pretty clear it wasn't a good idea to invest in anything modern considering everyone had the same idea as far as that's concerned. However I am happy at how cheap (for the most part) singles are!

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that generally makes sense but there have been some that have done quite well. it is nice to have cheaper singles

[@kakoXIII]

If you are not able or planning on holding what you buy for 5+ years you are not investing, even if it sounds weird I consider it still just flipping. Weiss is a bit special I wouldn't try to hold non sealed cases and the strength of the IP is also important but even if you choose a weaker IP like lets say Saekano if you are not overpaying for the case and you are just buying 1 or 2 and not 10 cases Im sure you will be able to find a buyer in the future and make a profit

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

yep weiss has a lot of poitives and can be disasterous if someone goes all in on one set.cost basis really matters.

[@TheTc4jc]

Market is probably saturated. A lot of TCG’s ramped up their releases in response to the pandemic boom. I could probably make the case for a long term hold, but as someone who has been holding onto RWBY, I can tell you it may take quite a while for the market to absorb all the product. If the IP expires before the excess product gets absorbed, it could be a bad position to be in. And fun video btw, enjoyed that.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

the english exclusives have been the most oversaturated. they pull in such a vast amount of new people that the supply is pretty amazing. avatar seems to be the biggest. rwby did well but as u have saw just not enough since this was during the boom period.

[@joshuabixby31]

One thing interesting to me is that the cases in general fared much better. I wonder how many buyers are concerned about dead boxes vs. how many people just heard Alpha Investments say "buy cases" and that's what they did. I hate to say it, but the guy creates markets. Nobody would give a crap about or even know about Sorcery if he hadn't come out behind it. One of the cautions that I would give people who want to wait until case prices drop before buying every set is that sellers will stop buying them if it means selling at a loss. Meaning fewer cases are preordered and produced. So either A. Those cases will go way up in price/value immediately, or B. The market will contract.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

100% on the after release cases. rght now that seems like a strategy but eventually it should not work as seller cut back on orders. when it comes to boxes vs cases, it really is how much spending power people have and the willingness to gamble.

[@wolfsong5356]

Since more people coming in. More supply especially if it’s a popular item like HOL. An item that’s not saturated was QQM does two RR are holding 10. (Failed sadly wanted it to drop to 3 before I pull the trigger but missed it)

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

quints always seems to rebound thankfully due to its playability and collectibility. that dip was shortlived on those rrs.

[@seiryotennan]

Before 2020 you could still get 2013 sets around msrp. Can’t believe 2023 sets will be like that in 2030

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

so youre saying i got a shot a band uniform kaguya in 2030 for the same cheap prices. that was my attempt at a joke but yes some of these will be like that a good while. bushi really put out some not good sets this year.

[@glazedgooch4546]

I wouldn't ever buy the cases that have stamped cards they are cheap af and not worth the price. Only buy sets with signed cards.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

same

[@moshebaum7612]

I think looking at products from at least 2019 would be more telling. Tcgs take at least 5 years to actually mature

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

i like the thought but that wouldnt work. that was a different period of time: before covid and after. the print sizes were different and interest in anime grew.

[@accelerator9145]

Is your opinion still the same in 2024 ?

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

yes. when considering set to set vs blindly buying a set, anyone can be successful at weiss investing. they would still need a proper investment thesis and exit strategy.

[@bismarckable]

I bought a saber card along woth bismarck and prinz Eugen

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

nice! those are definitely lovely cards! i know some have been trying to sell the jp ones so hopefully u got a nice deal on those.

[@Pat-Tea]

At this point, I've almost completely switched over to Japanese. They get more sets, the yen's so cheap right now, and all my favorite English sets have gotten the stamp treatment. Now all that's left is for me to learn Japanese so that I can actually read the cards 😂

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

definitely good reasons for the jp side. i dont like jp's resaleability if a english version comes out with signs like azur lane though.

[@Pat-Tea]

@@BigBAnimeTCG Oh yeah, I'd still definitely prefer English signed but they usually don't confirm sigs until after pre-order dates 😥

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that i need to go back and check. i thought they tell u right away if they are nonsigned. when they dont then they are signed.

[@Pat-Tea]

@@BigBAnimeTCG I think they're better at it now, but I definitely got burned by Bunny girl and Saekano

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

@@Pat-Tea oh that sucks :(

[@HarvestLYlee]

Way too many Sets not even talking about their tightly controled print run. Bushiroad made the same mistake Bandai did with Digimon and over pumped the market with too Many sets. but yeah that opportunity is real

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

they really went for quantity and not quality. they really tried to capitalize on the boom.

[@HarvestLYlee]

@@BigBAnimeTCG i noticed you didn't mention Damachi which is one of the biggest Ips this year, i made vaule on that for sure on the sealed cases

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

@@HarvestLYlee that was a 2022 set. good u made out on it.

[@snakeeat3r27]

im new to TCG and weiss. what should i do with my SRs and foil rares. im just looking to collect, but i dont want to have a bunch of bulk piling up

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

sorry for the late reply. rares and below i know some people just put up bulk lots on the fb weiss schwarz groups or on ebay. i would just make sure the rare isnt worth a ton. some uncommons from other sets can be worth a bit. with srs, i have seen people do a bulk on those as well. however i see them more commonly sold singly.

[@scottrogers2186]

Invest in sealed cases a few months after release at a discount from pre-order prices.

[@mcwildcats8isgr8]

Yep, I've finally realized this. No more pre-ordering from me even for the most popular sets that I try and focus on. Chainsaw Man will be the next set I buy a case of after release.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that makes sense. the only other consideration is if there will ever be the day when people give up and the cases at a discount wont be available.

[@yozorasakura9753]

I’m quite new to this and was wondering is you think it’s okay to buy into the EN cards if I’m not particularly looking for investment? I love the idea of Weiss Schwarz with cards of series that I love and maybe so the game behind it. Though was wondering if buying JP is still worth more than EN? Or would it be okay to keep going with EN just to have some quirky cards?

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

depends on what kind of cards you are buying. the general thing we see is the higher rarity cards are more expensive than the jp ones. there are always exceptions but u can always check jp prices and availability compared to english. some people like getting jp since it is cheaper in price. the best part of collections is there are no wrong answers. if u like the jp cards for a collection, go for it. they may sell lower in price and resale may be harder but if u never plan to sell it doesn't matter then. the base rarity cards may be more expensive or less depending on set. if u play want to play and the store only allows eng then it would be better to get eng. if u have more details or questions to add on feel free.

[@matthewc3366]

the only set I have cases coming in are for hololive, but thats just bc I want to rip it. As far as investing I would buy cases after prerelease since there is plenty of product to go around

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

for now there is. some sellers might change to order just what was preordered. hololive will be fun! gl on the case!

[@user-hy1tp7rn2g]

I think that you should learn that this things should be bought months after the release

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

yep. other coniderations would be quantity, price, and if excess supply will actually be available.

[@audrisampson]

Like I said about Bunny on monday night I think there is a chance to make money when people come in and want to buy the sets that are long dried up. SAO, Hololive and other popular franchises probably have the best chance at it. Revue Starlight has no chance of that lol!!!

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

poor Revue Starlight 😭

[@miles8233]

So is the takeaway here that investing in English WS isn’t as good an idea as investing in JP WS? Do the Japanese cards and boxes hold values better over time?

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that isnt the main idea. ill take about this in the future.

[@hieinh]

Depends on the set. It's not bad but the price is the key unless it's bunko sets

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

@@hieinh exactly

[@PokeMike]

It's an odd one (I did watch the whole video lol) I still think investing is weiss schwarz is tricky and fairly ineffective when compared to other tcgs. With that said why do I continue to do so? Well because I love the shows and I love the cards. I've always had a similar mindset to you in the sense that super worst case situation, if it's worthless in 10 years then I get to open a sealed case of something that quite likely could be pretty rare and enjoy it all over again. I don't invest in Weiss sealed in the traditional way of investing. I don't really see the money as XXX value, I see as spent. I have this sealed item, maybe it will be worth more down the line, maybe it won't. Maybe one day I'll decide to open maybe I will never open it. While the item is still sealed the options are always there. Maybe the cards and playsets go up for that set down the line. Anything could happen!

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

i just saw some comments didnt appear in my feed or not replied to. this one actually got filtered since you wrote xxx. weiss schwarz has always been different due to the ips involved. pokemon is just pokemon and until recently for the most part mtg has been mtg. it has been an ok investment as long as the person considered the ip vs blindly buying all the 2023 sets and attempting to sell them. part of the point of the video was the terrible sets we got this year from a IP and meta strength viewpoint. we all make our purchases differently. i know you see the money as spent and you are just generalizing without saying price points and quantities. using the generics provided, i dont think you would call what you are doing investing. to me i would say a collector who is willing to sell if the opportunity presents itself. investing to me is making educated purchases at specific price points and quantities with a clear sense of potential growth and exit strategies. i think weiss still has that ability. i think people havent quite thought it completely through.

[@Dai10zin]

Schrödinger's cards.

[@PokeMike]

@@Dai10zin hahaha yes that’s it 😂

[@Marty_Theory]

One thing that blows about tcg booster boxes is your most likely going to open a dead box /:

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

likely but not always. safer to always think nothing is in it.

[@RedDragon_1121]

Exactly why I don't like how they do their rates to pull . It's almost set where they want you to buy a case. Fucked up. Not everyone has a 1000 bucks laying around to spend on a case. Make it truly random so you can buy boxs knowing you have a fair chance

[@RedDragon_1121]

Personally the prices are affordable and love anime characters and rather collect then play the game so it's a win for me so let the prices drop .

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

i like the thought but it depends on the reason for the price drop. some sets dont get opened and once the cards are gone someone will have to open boxes and gacha it. unless youre saying you like the low box prices since u will be opening it.

[@RedDragon_1121]

@@BigBAnimeTCG I'll be opening the boxing so low prices are good in my favor. To have fun opening packs and collecting is what I find enjoyable in some products, some stuff I like holding on to sealed for later and some things I like to just open for the enjoyment. Like pokemon stuff I like to keep sealed depending on the products cause they can hold there vaule over time the weiss is hard to find not everyone can get there hands on it easily and I don't like the whole I'll by a case find the ssr and sell the rest of the boxs cause you found your 1000 dollar card it's not random there set up like that, and that screws up the market and people trusting to buy products in my opinion online. Its all fucked up and not random like other tcg products for the most part and unfair to the people who cNt afford 1000 bucks . People buy a case and know I'll probably find that signature card and sell rest of boxs that are trash. Don't like it. They need to find better way I think when it comes to it as well. 🤷‍♂️ either way I'd rather buy low and open them it's not for long term enless it's a good gross selling anime. Market is down right now so nows a good time to buy if you wanna hold on to stuff, take advantage.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

sorry i never got an alert to this. i think the alerts dont happen if the comment is really long. weiss has the dead box problem and it has been "known" for awhile. i only ever started doing my videos with this being one of my main focuses. every time i did talk about changing it, i was met with people wouldnt want that cause they want the guaranteed rates. if brought up again, u will still see people saying that. really the only hope u have is actually just trusting people or if it is old enough, not thinking it is something to open. sadly until enough people complain about it, this wont change.

[@sgr7th]

lol Weiss Schwarz literally has "wise shorts" in the middle of it.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that it does lol

[@kusogoi]

hololive might be interesting because of the difference between japanese oshis and western ones....Maybe i get some interesting ones cheaper than with the japanese version.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

cards are showing up everywhere and pretty much in line with jp. i havent looked at them all yet though. i gurss it may take a little bit to see if some get discounted due to different regions.

[@MagnetGenocide]

Nothing new here. Same applies for all TCGs. Long term they will all go up but short term you gonna lose. If you are looking to make fast money those days are over. WS is too big and prints too much.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

+ the IPs of 2023 have been not so great and people bought them without thinking about it.

[@LonelyCat_]

good video :) Keep at it :D

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

ty!

[@LoLTerminus]

hey i couldnt care less, i love opening packs so the fact theyre as expensive as dirt, makes me happy

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

are u talking about dead packs or live ones

[@IIDannyBoyII]

imo this is not an investment its a hobby

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

it is whatever people want it to be irregardless of another's wants, hopes, or desires.

[@JayceCH.]

? More like who wants to "invest" on searched products....

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

that is always the concern but some re legit cheap boxes.

[@Appl3sandgrapes]

Thank god, im glad the investors are screwing off finally so i can buy cards to, you know, *play the fucking game*.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

are u talking about base rarity cards or higher? investor/collector side made base rarity cheaper. then u have what happened to nazarick set 1 cards. was that players, collectors, or investors?

[@DittoFaction]

Don’t need to watch the video. Thumbnail says it all. Told you so! 😏

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

lol

[@snakevenom56]

Good, treating card games purely as a stock market for children is a stupid thing to do. I enjoy flexing out my decks and playing with pretty cards, but the culture thats spawned from Alpha Investments and Whatnot types needs to be burned to the ground

[@Dai10zin]

I've seen clips of Nene (Hololive) opening boosters and had no idea what they were, but they looked cool. Realized recently it's a card game and that there's an English version. Picked up a couple boxes (not cases). Am I crazy for planning to enjoy it for what it is (a card game with characters I like)?

[@snakevenom56]

@@Dai10zin My first weiss cards were just from a Madoka trial deck cause i wanted cheap Madoka merch, looked at the game and saw the clock zone and phase and thought "that sounds stupid" and didn't bother to learn at the time, lmao. Then Hololive came along and now not only have I learned the game, I have like, 16 decks?! a bunch are just hololive brews, but I even have two constructed AOT decks in there, and its a decently fun game! Not exactly perfect when taking damage is a roll of the dice, even if you compress your deck well, which can be frustrating, but its a neat game! and thats important, its A GAAAAAMMEE

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

@Dai10zin welcome! and no you are not. that is probably 99% of people get into weiss. gl on the boxes!

[@LonleyGod]

Honestly been more concentrated on dead. Tcgs but i only collect from my fav ip or occasional non tan chocolate waifu 😂

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

lol! hopefully u get some more choclatey waifus in releases in the future. ya some of those dead games got some nice art. harder to find but that is part of collecting.

[@LonleyGod]

@BigBAnimeTCG I hope so but I got to give it to pokemon cause they got 3 new ones I gotta get

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

theyre really working the ladies lately. i always wondered if this will gateway people into anime waifus like weiss

[@SamA94_]

Rip that SSP and flip the singles along the way ... no one cares about the "modern" boxes anyway

[@bakasamacollects2054]

Everyone knows the people taking losses on tcg player boxes are selling dead boxes.

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

modern boxes are pretty weak ip and meta wise for 2023 so far. i also know for sure some of those cheap boxes arent dead.

[@LonleyGod]

Year has been meh honestly

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

on the english side totally agree

[@YouSayBooyah]

🫣

[@BigBAnimeTCG]

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