The Decline of Deepwoken

[@artemis_deepwoken]

The overall visual of deepwoken as a whole starting from this grungy game with dark themes and lore to essentially just a anime battlegrounds game with more steps is really saddening to me and something ive been noticing are cared alot about. I really had hope that deepwoken could fulfill the role of a almost berserk like game on roblox that feels deep and heavy when it needs to but seeing the way the game has shifted over the past year has totally reversed that hope.

[@ketchup8012]

When i joined deepwoken i got the feel like "this is what i was looking for" but now deepwoken is just evolving in builder simulator

[@vitoravelarmatsuoka5241]

i've been saying this to my friends for ever and they just don't seem to care as much as i do, maybe it's because i played from lauch and they from verse 2 onward

[@DivineReverie]

@@vitoravelarmatsuoka5241 ive been playing deepwoken post verse 2 and honestly none of this even look like what deepwoken was meant to be. It really does feel like im playing some battlegrounds game/anime game and i even forget about the consequences for losing a fight because i always ask myself how do they accept these brainrot mantras that dont even seem to even fit the game's style get into the game (like flame turret or the new ironsing mantra for example)

[@HeroOfTheGun-Bullet]

Depends on how you play the game tbh. The game still isnt a PVP shitshow for me. Been playing alot of Deepbound and slowly exploring the game, hell i joined up start of 2023 and even now i havent done a single floor 2 run or primadon. Im making fun builds and just general fun stuff, not gonna let sweats or hardcore pvp ruin my expierence.

[@_mawo_]

True, the biggest thing that makes the game more and more like this, is the weeklys! Every week, some new legendary weapon or some random dungeon, that is in the middle of nowhere, which will either, give you every item in the game in 2 minutes or give you absolutely nothing. They should imo stop with the weekly updates and focus on finishing conquest so there is actual fresh new content and bringing out a huge rebalance with it. The one that came out in this update, is not even really a rebalance, it's mostly just lvl cap adjustments that nobody really cares about.

[@TheDooterWatches]

My main gripe wit deepwoken lore is how we got so much of it from just arch mage on discord instead of in game methods, like the books we have now. Imagine learning about the first prophet of the ministry from in game stuff instead of from discord screenshots.

[@megagames4989]

true the game's lore has so much potential but its so trash when you actually want to get info about it

[@ketchup8012]

I dont really think that they can input all that lore in game before the game dies this is sad fr cuz im fan

[@iwillhaverumble9859]

Freakbobs nut is what you are made of

[@SkillHunterThousandManPlan]

​@@megagames4989just make it accessible yo

[@amazingboi9388]

fr bruh. cutscenes when, when you do certain quests or tasks

[@vitoravelarmatsuoka5241]

do you guys remember when gale's BEST MANTRA and one of the MAIN REASONS to run it was gale lunge? now compare that to literally any mantra released recently. it's all insane powercreep slop

[@plasmacrimson]

gale lunge is still insanely good

[@loganbreshers935]

@@plasmacrimson yea ion know what this guys yapping about if anything, gale lunge has become more reliable in a sea of buggy and weird mantras

[@v875-r6e]

How is gale lunge not still a top 3 if not top 1 mantra on gale lmao whats better

[@realhumanbean7915]

​@@v875-r6e Best fuess would be astral wind

[@sahuul]

finally someone makes a video like this, I’ve been saying this ever since they added that shadow frostdraw huge ass jjk shadow garden move bro

[@pwamp7007]

the visuals are super simple on that move it's just a big mantra

[@MalanjoTheMonkey]

@@pwamp7007Really not his point. Also fyi if you’re not a verse 1 player your input is invalid

[@10nessee]

@@pwamp7007not when u put modifiers on it and its covering your whole screen

[@robotasb8551]

TIP: If you're ever getting bored of the game, play something else. Games aren't made to be played forever -Destroyman III

[@petitlonair3098]

such wise word

[@TicTacEnjoyer]

Real...

[@DestinedDebt]

except for hide and seek and freeze tag...

[@DestinedDebt]

lol

[@IssDarkSun]

Tell that to WOW players 😅

[@Goobero-li3ud]

it really sucks what they have done to this game why cant we go back to the simpler times where i couldnt get a 5 bar auto combo to my face

[@flappyflap2693]

that'd probably be more fun then just grinding for 6 hours or 3 days or some shit also friendly reminder silent heart builds with an odachi can do 1 bar per m2 uppercut so the game's current state isn't any better

[@ziphies]

you have no idea what youre talking about because old deepwoken was the one where every move does all your hp, rn your build just isnt enough to keep up with the meta because i can play ona buil with no kit, but i have ra and i can still be tanky.

[@MollyAtTheRave]

@@ziphiesme personnaly i would never see someone using these one shot builds🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ziphies]

@@MollyAtTheRave ever seen ice eruption 2 years ago max mod? ever since movestacking with flourishing do 2 bars? ever seen a 65 dmg crypt blade?

[@ziphies]

@@MollyAtTheRave everseen 3x dmg bloodthirsty / heroism? 1 bar per m1 vampirism heal?

[@SYKOTHEGOAT]

like he said, the game has gotten to a point where the devs are backed into a corner. they don't have any choice but to continue adding new broken shit; new armors, new weapons with 15 crits, new abilities that'll bring you from full health to a quarter in 2 seconds. the game used to be difficult. we used to fear the depths because if we died there, our entire build was gone, and it was hard to get it back. now if you die - IF you die. emphasis on if, it'll take prob 30 mins to get your entire build back. but the devs don't have a choice anymore. and there's nothing they can do that'll bring this game back. a mass balancing update, reverting it back to a build when it was actually fun. they can't do anything. and it's not just this game either. there are other examples : ABA, Shinobi life 2, etc. if they go back to a point where the game was fun, the game is fucked, because like he said, the only thing the new players know is the broken shit they have now. if the game becomes balanced, it's no longer fun, and they stop playing. so the game dies.

[@pickachuman2802]

30 mins??? THIRTY MINS?? bro I use vow of thorns dephsbound and still take hours... AND WITH ALL THE MINMAXING SIDEQUESTS YOU GOTTA DO AFTER??? dawg TELL ME YOUR METHODS 😭

[@ilovecreamycheese]

so your definition of difficulty is just losing all your progress if you make mistakes in the progress of getting better😭

[@pickachuman2802]

@@ilovecreamycheese imo deepwoken has some fundamental flaws, like the fact no one goes to jump ppl in overworld alone, and especially not in depths... so yeah I think you do have a point there, but if it was guaranteed 1v1s there's nothing wrong with a big risk for losing.

[@dolabola773]

me personally, i'd like a mix of how things are now and how they used to be in verse one, it was true that dying in the depths made you lose your entire build but i'd rather not have to wipe 15 times to get a desired build

[@bizarra7195]

bro said 30 mins, when have it ever been 30 minutes

[@shroudoflightning]

type soul is a very good example of what you've talked about here and this is coming from a day 1 type soul player, the game went from skill expression to spamming big colorful moves and it's super unenjoyable it went from skill expression with a little bit of players (not nearly as many as recently) to catering to kids with big abilities and even less brain usage to back it

[@rokuxv]

i miss the game having hard requirements too. like seeing a bankai back when it was really hard to get. the game really did decline when they decided to make requirements easier, meaning that it wasnt hard to get a hold of broken things. game went from fun community/faction based game to battlegrounds vibrant colors bright lights that require little to no brainpower.

[@cortex8239]

Devs hated m1's so much they turnt silentheart into a shitty no attumument mage wannabe 😭😭😭. Random TP move into TP move into random sword attack

[@Uwishiii]

​@@cortex8239the silentheart rework made it so the oath encourages actually unique and interesting builds with stuff like weapon swapping mid combat, which is what the oath's about (the weapons). Thank fuck the old silentheart is gone, that shit was just boring to fight.

[@10nessee]

@@Uwishiiinobody who uses silentheart actually swaps weapons. just spam tps and run

[@Sticky-]

I started playing about 4 months ago and I completely agree with removing all of the insanely op stuff. Also legendries do not need to be so common that I find 2 curved blades in random chests in the same day.

[@plxyer3813]

You are just lucky.

[@10nessee]

@@plxyer3813dude i literally found a cbow in the first 2 hours of returning to the game. 😂

[@FanticSama]

Used to love playing deep. That dark, rouge, theme that used to have it back in the day, were wiping truly felt scary, going to the depths actually felt like a threat, fighting the enforcer while your hands was either shaking or sweating or maybe both, all that hard mode that they promised us when deep as in development. Just to be reduced to some mmorpg, i get that money is money, but dam deepwoken wouldve been in a higher ceiling if they just stuck to what they had promised to older players a long time ago.

[@amazingboi9388]

i think people just got better and didnt get scared of stuff anymore bro, and were able to get things faster because of experience. not of the game

[@CrusaderMan-vf7hf]

@@amazingboi9388yeah.

[@FanticSama]

@@amazingboi9388 I didn't refute that the PB has gotten better. You missed out what I was trying to say. DW was promised to be a rouge, dark, hardcore game like RGL was supposed to be but better. After 3 years, they still fail what made DW stand out amongs other roblox games. Instead its on the route of a more mmorpg with amazing combat system. The hard content that was promised to us was never delivered. So yes its enteirly because of the game/devs.

[@amazingboi9388]

@@FanticSama ok

[@Fronkleen]

the fear of wiping and stuff is due to you getting better. it still was to me when i started out lol, i had a great new player experience. the game isnt worse now, you're just better

[@axhfoediv]

This is why I think Voidsea expeditions is so important if deep wants to stay relevant. It’s main appeal is the mystery and exploration. You dont need crazy overpowered loot as incentive, just some niche but different stuff as a nice bonus. It lets the deep devs keep their game relevant and support weekly updates by adding new islands instead of powercreep weapons. This could be what Layer 2 wasnt - not getting trivialized because it isnt designed to be replayed to death, while still keeping the v1 atmosphere. Sure it wont become the next prog stage, but what’s more important - a fulfilling experience or a long one?

[@Kofhiliphus]

Literally, deepwoken was good because of its lore and mystery. It's literally what it should have been meshing roblox, lovecraftian lore, and dark soul mechanics.

[@ilikecats6169]

the thing is with the "dont need crazy overpowered" is that why run the voidsea expeditions if you can get what you want from somewhere more accessible and more rewarding

[@kaironst2969]

Voidsea expeditions At this point just copy the dark sea expeditions from arcane odyssey (randomly generated islands with mobs and locked chests you have to return with) with a deepwoken twist added to them

[@7858ben]

The problem is developers think they know what the community wants when they clearly do not. Conquest is just one example.

[@3700King]

Bro Dan i have been playing this game since i was 17 now im 20, All im saying is that lava serpent mecha gatling surge crystal builds sums up everything in this video quite well. If you told me when i was 17 that this is what deepwoken would become i wouldn't believe you LOL.

[@za_phe9197]

ok unc

[@gary1413]

unc did u take ur pills

[@Decaying_bacon]

Atp theres really nothing they can do except dig deeper into the hole they themselves in

[@loug1849]

I remeber starting out deepwoken in early august of 2022 with my guild leader when I was still in middle school. Few hours later, we saw a guy running a crypt blade and our ultimate goal was to get one and equip it. Now, that same guy sold a spare Crypt for notes js to buy food because he was starving. This game got way to easy.

[@loug1849]

Also, he didn't buy food, he bought sticks cuz he got temite

[@plxyer3813]

@@loug1849 Rather, it's just the consequences of time passing by. Any game gets easier the older it gets, as the players give each other the easy method of everything - instead of finding them out yourself. That's what the game needs to improve on, reward players for discovering things on their own. Back to your point, after playing for a long time, things should and will just become more accessible. The game never changed, you guys changed. For reference, me and my friend were happy about being gifted a Crypt Blade a few months ago, now its nothing. That's just how every game is.

[@TheMasterOfLeaf]

I've been saying this for AGES with my friends, I wish the devs would get out this "weapon of the week" mindset, where every weekly for months has basically just been "Last weeks weapon nerfed, new legendary weapon" or "New mantra, nerfed old mantras for no reason". The game has gone from (for the most part) "Make your own build, fuck around and find out with people, go ganking at random places, meet new people!" to "There's this new talent/mantra/weapon, if you don't use it, you're objectively weaker because everyone else IS using it"

[@cortex8239]

Fr. Espically the new fuck ass med weapons. Build in rewards for being a little bitch and holding s "So um. Your crit randomly multi-hits if you get 2 stacks of 'im a pussy scared of party trading" that has hyper armor and guardbreaks." And "you swing faster if you dodge attacks. Just dodge. Not parrying or blockikg them. Just pressing Q".

[@guadamole391]

i like how you mention it catering towards kids in which is (quite literally) Arch's goal. He's said he wants as many people to have fun. Making the game genuinely better for oldheads ruins it for new players as you stated.

[@mvplayz6269]

cowabummer!

[@DanVR1]

LOL

[@meraldwaves]

this is such an accurate video, comparing nrpgs transition to sl2 and deepwokens 2021 to deepwoken 2024

[@Lukaboggers]

Devs gonna watch this and add hollow purple next week

[@grinchgamingofficial5141]

deepwoken in 2022: "spine cutter is fair because it doesnt scale with damage multipliers" deepwoken in 2024: "SPINE CUTTER 2X MULTIPLIER EXCLUSIVE TO MEDIUM WEAPON" edit 1 : credit to besstgamer for the comment

[@LCHighlighter]

The upbringing up Rogue Lineage

[@Blahamus]

[@delta3258]

too bad fino keeps adding glowsticks to the game 😒

[@nicolascientista4884]

What? You don't want fun things?

[@RokakakaChan]

@@nicolascientista4884 shoulda put that in quotations

[@TerraVy]

@@nicolascientista4884 yeah fun where new mantras and weapons go untested which defines the weekly meta

[@ramitheus]

i think most crits should be made like the hero blade crits they're all so simplistic and sleek and they're fun to use too and don't have to be fully broken for it

[@jxstasyko]

Man I remeber where I had I had to beg for the rng gods to give me adept while sitting at max luck before power 10 or else everything would be a pain to farm up and then never getting that talents I wanted. It was hell but I loved it, it was tough and rewarding. I even bought exploits to speed around just to shave off time with progressing so I could have a stable sleep schedule and if I got strong lefted into the void(yes I didn’t fly away from that, 1. That ruined it for me and the other dude for the funny moment, 2. It would’ve been stupid, 3. If I was sitting next to the edge and didn’t notice a guy sneaking up to me that’s my fault, I should suck it up) I was upset for a bit but moved on(except for you my beloved, Nova Talo, my first max level) now you just level up to max in 2-4 hours then min max and your done, maybe go jumping in depths to get the same adrenaline as the past but with people jumping into the void or going the speed of light away from ya. Eh, least it isn’t figuring out how to get out of the shroom spawn area for the first time

[@SuicPastry]

They got to the point where they just add ANYTHING into the game. A big removal of content should be done without the main devs thinking like "Oh the helper dev we hired did this so we cant just remove it!!"

[@cortex8239]

Fr just throwing out whatever the fuck and praying people don't rightfully complain

[@random6498]

As someone who only really started playing in Verse 2, (i played verse 1 but I had no clue wtf I was doing and quit), I would still love to see them go back to how it was. I don't agree with the game needing all this crazy stuff to keep kids playing, I wish they'd remove most of it. I don't want actual verse 1 back, but they can just go back to it while fixing the problems with the 3 years of experience they now have with making the game

[@Veryunbalanced]

As someone who played in early verse one up to around a year and a half ago, when the combat slowly got more and more just do 5 bars in one combo. The game in early verse one was great because it was all in the skill and the game was still shrouded in mystery. Its sad to watch the game slowly die like this, but I rarely play anymore, when I did for a week a few months ago it was somewhat fun but the combat wasn’t fun to engage in.

[@theworldmachineos7247]

I agree with you on a lot, but like... I don't really want the game to be like Rogue Lineage. I don't LIKE Rouge Lineage. Sure, it's creative and all, but I don't like big skill walls I have to climb to do anything interesting. I wanna DO the interesting stuff without spending 45151232349 hours grinding for the item, and without dying 324262 times just to make the build. I like MOST of the game right now. It's hard enough for me. Yeah, I would much rather all the mantras be balanced, and all that pvp jazz, but progression doesn't really HAVE to be hard? Like, I don't find dying 12 times to get the right build very fun.

[@markslenderman.]

Progression is not fun but its WAYY less tedious which is good but still not as engaging as it was back then, I think they can make progression harder without it being tedious and unfun

[@Kofhiliphus]

I'm definitely sure that the lore of deepwoken is going nowhere. Especially with how Iltria has already retired.

[@catminion1080p]

it really suck to see fan the flame , pyre keeper , the new flame rifle , and fist being so meta where if you make a orginal build thats fun you probably wont make it to top chime or anything like that

[@nyantacoplayz7493]

I miss shedding a few tears to my lil versions of me in a silly roblos game Now i can only get those times on project zomboid Ohh how i miss it

[@Nyronax]

progression used to be the most fun of the game now its just torture

[@Uwishiii]

While I agree with the vibes being lost (which is genuinely a shame and the reason why i started playing deepwoken in the first place), the 'over the top' mantras are usually the less viable options (no flame build DOESN'T run fire blade, no gale build DOESN'T run gale lunge) and are kinda specific in usage (for example, flame ballista). I heavily agree with the item rarity, though. Seeing someone who can't find their F-key run around with a pyre keeper is really what screws up the vibes for me, personally. It should feel similar to OSRS with the way megarares work imo.

[@nightwolfsmilkers4679]

i think in a good sense, and what i believe they kind of tried to do with layer 2 enchants when those first dropped, would be after all the nerfs, and all the shit that was crazy, to bring it down. and im talking in rarity sense. legendary weapons that currently exist? bring them down to high-tier base weapons like alloyed or any endgame. quest weapons shouldnt be qualified as a legendary unless the quest is hard, which none of them are right now. in conquest? best way to fix that is to bring them down to regular weapons, and have the NEW ones be rare, someting to grind for that isnt TOO overpowered, but has value to act as a form of trophy almost, and make your build unique because it is harder to obtain. the same with armors that could add new talents, like what the TRIED to do with deepspindle. these things that add a unique gameplay experience without fully breaking the game in terms of balancing would help bring back some of that old feel, but it wouldnt fix the problems with the balancing unless the devs also focus on that.

[@severusreee9234]

how about we just delete them at this point, its gotten to the point that you can min max your build and be a power 7 or 8 running around with the latest legendary weapon. Barely anybody uses a regular weapon in its RAW form.

[@ClouDheee]

Honestly the Pleeksty inferno quest is the only weapon quest that has some challenge to it. Aska is really tanky and you can really wipe your build to him if you’re not paying attention.

[@fyrix6089]

I firmly believe the devs do not target their games toward a kid audience

[@jahariondeck4430]

😭😭😭

[@Chez_god1515]

Dan vr is the last good deepwoken cc. Bro isn’t a mindless pvp player (unlike suppa). W video by Dan vr

[@cortex8239]

Or a puppet to deepwoken its self. Like aga

[@manguy3753]

As probably the most casual player who’s been playing since verse 1, i used to never have a problem with the game, but with all the powercreep bullshit, it doesnt feel like im losing from a lack of skill, when these builds can 4 bar me in 15 seconds. I fail to see how they could think it was smart to make these kinds of changes

[@doodles3114]

To Date this issue’s start. I started playing deepwoken in december of 2023. I HATED EVERYTHING, I died constantly to overworld bandits, Voidwalkers were the bane of my existence, I learned to fight sharkos before I learned to fight bandits, because me and my friend would sit and cheese sharkos in Vipers Jaw. But I couldnt put it down, taking 3 days, full ass days, to get to high power then wiping in the depths? That somehow, was when I had the most addicting experience with deepwoken. Its not there. Ive said before how we should have gotten conquest by now, but in reality we just need more overworld in general, the voidsea eating everything as a lore explanation will only last so long. Deepwoken also has a problem with assuming everyone can make it to layer 2, and locks a shitload of content behind it. And instead of Layer 2 being a dungeon like it once was, or just finally turning it into a place to explore, it is a annoyingly difficult piece of shit where everything has animations that dont sync with parry timing for artificial difficulty. Bounders arent difficult for you because you arent skilled enough, Bounders are difficult because their animations are slower than their expected parry timing, they do massive damage, and half their moves are unblockable, cheese builds dont have anything on layer 2 monsters, which need a fucking rework. To drive the layer 2 point: Monster mantras, which are pretty much ass except for the dread serpent beam (which I have never seen anyone equipping), are locked behind: -Bonekeeper -labyrinth to get the spear -15 bounders in nest corridor -some of the shittiest falling floor parkour -3 to 5 more bonekeepers -chaser -kyrsguard -a labyrinth -Ethiron -More Kyrsguards -2 minute escape timer It is ridiculous for mantras that arent worth on any build, they are so cool, so fun, but nobody can reach them. A second example is the new Ignition union origin, and by extension arcwarder: -bonekeeper -the spear -nest corridor -enforcer (unless you are a sicko doing layer 2 at level 13) - bunch of annoying travel time (ships got updated, but are still slow as hell to incentivize the ironclad) I WANT to play the new content, I WANT to enjoy the game. But there are so many useless, annoying, and UNFUN WALLS TO DO SO. And on flashy Mantras, lets be real, Permafrost prison should always have been a bell, with the shadow aesthetic and ether steal being a corrupted version. Referencing JJK is fine, but when you buff it out the ass because you’re fanboying, it gets to be alot. There is also a huge amount of the community who cannot take it when they dont get what they want in an update. (Looking at you Punchee) and complain when a niche playstyle gets an update (the new attunementless spear, which for anyone who plays attunementless IS NOT EXPENSIVE TO INVEST IN) I watched not only Punchee, but multiple other people cry that they cant have the double damage spear unless they uncap their strength and fortitude. There was one guy crying about it in the discord for A FULL HALF HOUR, and Im still getting whining comments when I said it wasnt that bad on Punchee’s update video. The Deepwoken Devs. And the Deepwoken community. Have a huge problem with over-flexibility, and overestimating people. When I first joined this game, my major skill issue was parrying, because my eyes lag behind my brain and I was always a beat off. I had to learn to parry off of rhythm, like it was music. This becomes a problem however when it comes to anything outside of the overworld, enforcers feinting, squibbos feinting, bounders and carbuncles just having slower animations than their parry timing. It all amounts to a massive wall for a lot of people, locking the new content behind hours of grind. Deepwoken was fun because there was NO GRIND. Playing the game was an adventure, a real adventure where you grew as you played, and learned as you explored. When I look at this game now. As someone who nearly always picks diver origin. The most fun I have now after the fucking grind in the depths, is on the surface. And the surface is what gets updated the least, the most fun part of the game gets the least attention. Deepwoken isnt dying. Deepwoken is just sick, its a sickness of flashiness and artificial-difficulty, and its letting in other sicknesses while its weak. Half the people who join for the flashiness wont stay, and only half of those people will return to try again, and only half of a half of the half will find the love for it. We just need to wait out this storm. Flashiness is unsustainable, and it will end eventually.

[@amazingboi9388]

bro please shorten this because trust me, NOBODY reading all this.

[@za_phe9197]

boosted

[@doodles3114]

@@za_phe9197 bruh how does me saying im Mid at the game mean im boosted? You got some logic issues man My entire point is that the casual players cant see the new shit UNLESS they get boosted

[@somerandomtouhouenjoyer4879]

@@amazingboi9388 I read all this

[@iamayumpig]

im ngl this is kinda yap. layer 2 isnt difficult, it can be done on any build and the game can be played EXTREMELY quicker than before. it takes me an average of 3 hours to max a build with bell. also saying current deep is more grindy when the hunt for enchants and deep gems were very rare. the game cant cater to you because you cant do layer 2, locking content behind dungeons isnt a new concept to games.

[@Jackk1Godseeker]

I'm so happy a big ytber had the balls to say this, all the top players agree with this but nothing happens. The moment they nerfed feinting the game has been going downhill.

[@whhas3020]

Deepwoken has gotten to a point where perma death doesn’t even fit well into the gameplay loop anymore

[@m2ev341]

As a person who joined shortly after verse 2 drop, i really regret not playing deep during verse 1, since i keep seeing all those verse 1 clips on youtube(i joined deep cuz i ve seen a lot of verse 1 clips on yt)

[@mirandacosgrovefan7]

i loveddd the old visuals of deepwoken, old deep had its issues but it was truly art

[@mayson3784]

reason why i quit when ironsing came out

[@pegasusrr3156]

Cuz ur bad

[@karma7321]

That’s not what he’s talking about ironsing is ass also

[@jkeebla]

jailer impale + judgment + caltrops 💀

[@pegasusrr3156]

@@jkeebla thats kinda bad tbh

[@Squibbo0000]

i agree deepwoken needs a major fix to balancing and a return to its previous state combat wise, but let the flashiness stay (to an acceptable degree), deepwoken is a bespoke game and thus deserves bespoke vfx, not bummy vfx little johnny can replicate on his first day of roblox studio (some may call early deep vfx minimalist, but i dont see that 'minimalism' as charming or unique at all, some may question me calling early deep vfx bad, but that just goes to show the improvement the devs have made) but thats just me, express your disagreement down below if you wish

[@flappyflap2693]

nobody really cares about minimalism shit is just a common misconception most people get when they play a game that looks low quality but feels nice to play look at darksteel greatsword crit for an example high quality feels nice to use then look at railblade crit not that high quality feels bland to use another example would be the railgun thunder legendary pretty bland feels lame to use

[@vitoravelarmatsuoka5241]

@@flappyflap2693 nope, i care about minimalism because it makes game balance simple enough so that the smooth brained idiots that run the game can understand it and focus on other stuff aswell, game shouldn't be all about combat, that's a battleground and battlegrounds are not real games

[@adija8655]

I agree, we need to really ask the devs what game they are making , is it chime of conflict or is it deepwoken or is it even a game called drowned gods. And i think we all know the answer.

[@BunkaChunka]

I remember the nrpg MS having the freaky Amaterasu ring that did way more damage than it should have.

[@DanVR1]

LOL THE OG

[@AutismCreature31]

Deepwoken lost its vision a long time ago, I bought it for a rogue like experience but ultimately ended up with a shit storm of mantra spam and anime corssovers. I played since day 1 but quit right after I saw it was just going in a weird direction that the devs didnt promise it to be and that was the best decision ive made.

[@grass324]

I think weekly updates are a mistake. I think the devs need much time to work on their product instead of being time pressured. Weekly update is too much to ask for, it's just out of nowehere and sometimes can result into a rushed mess. I can definitely see the devs are struggling to handle the game at this point.

[@nyantacoplayz7493]

Who's re-watching this again 🙏

[@eaterofyes9999]

DanVR cooking on another video! Keep it up dawg.

[@_mintyfresh]

I miss when there was only like 6 legendary weapons and they were actually kinda hard to get

[@Prophetkeito]

Even though I’m not an older player, I agree with you. They have to find a way to fix this.

[@lANDT2]

Daniel Virtual Reality save deep society

[@Jason.1230]

his point of build is all that matters only applies if you suck LOL i thought it was wrong but i wanted to make sure, i made an attless heavy (not allowed to use punishment, table flip, or skyshatter) with 90 charisma (not vshapper) with 0 vit and no equipment with starter armor (i had 365 hp, 10% phys, 0% elem) and while yes it was harder (obv), i still got higher elo than 99% of the people who say build is the only thing that matters, and in ganks while yes i did worse, i still got on average 3 kills per death

[@zeedrew1840]

what if they make the old version of deepwoken and keep the new deepwoken.

[@0kayArt]

Save the deep society Dan Virtual Reality...

[@Thelizardwizardd]

deepwoken is suffering from Ludonarrative Dissonance, enough said.

[@glitchsinclair]

im starting to think the games gotten to the point of like 2 devs working and arch gave his discord to some helper so it seems like hes doing smth

[@blue__9281]

People being born in 2011 is actually crazy to me

[@TR_Emp]

Eterna forest soundtrack goes hard

[@uzunuro]

Dang Naruto OA was so goated

[@ConfirmedZer0]

Deepwoken should have been gatekept to an insane degree.

[@joskue7499]

deepwoken became a tower defense game 😭😭🙏🙏

[@marleyl2548]

only fun part of deep is edging to your videos but i fail everytime its all over my screen my goat

[@xay.]

the decline of deepwoken

[@zetthefirst]

tell unc to depths gank with u

[@scoople]

An hour after this upload drops: THE RISE OF DEEPWOKEN!!!!!!!

[@TicTacEnjoyer]

Billions must wipe.

[@Cam-dc7tr]

Dan real talk I fw you fr I recommend shinobi project I think you would really fw it

[@10nessee]

deepwoken used to genuinely be the best game in the world at some point e

[@itzsup3r]

its kekkei genkai btw unc also i think they tried with shinobi origins but the low player count moved them away from it

[@epicdestroyer223]

this truly was a deepwoken…

[@Qr-cy1cp]

3 seconds in already subbed this guys jokes

[@flappyflap2693]

pretty sure the decline of deepwoken began when they just decided to rework the entire game for no reason in 2020 then as a result instead of getting the "rogue lineage 2" they were trying to make it into shit just came out as a modernized dumpster fire with a slightly different objective being "go grind npcs, go make hyper specific build(emphasis on this with shrine of order) wipe and repeat" if i had to comment on why deepwoken pvp feels boring even though realistically it's the embodiment of perfect it's probably the m1s and crits feeling like filler options rather than actual threats

[@HuangdiJin]

Honestly I see what you saying but there is some things I disagree with (i have been around from rogue lineage days), its not that verse 1 was more skilled based but just everyone was forced to use shitty luck system and couldnt reroll anything so you can just be boss raided by a guy who simply got really lucky, and in my opinion deepwoken would be better without having to grind hours just for one thing. I think that deep's stringest aspec is being able to make any build you want, like take agility for example, if you wanna be a fast ass bitch with gale you can and just zip around at the cost of your build being weak if agility is your focus, if I want to use intelligence take saltchemist and bombs. It is unfortunate that you dont really have oaths and talents that highlight your stats, its just combat combat combat, and what do the devs do? They nerf EVERYTHING that doesnt fit this hyperspecific combat style (there is some stuff that does need nerfs though just not all) instead of giving the players more options to combat these. I thought that it was cool that in ganks these guilds would start to bring gale builds around to stop trackstars. I want to see fortitude builds being able to be tanky at the expensive of not having some of these high damage talents you would get otherwise by also having some str or other stats in. If someone really wanted to go 100 str 100 fort 100 weapon I think they SHOULD be able to do that to play this sort of juggernaunt build that is purely good at close combat and horrible at basically everything else (slow because no agility cant really fight in range without using guns) and in terms of art yeah I think it sucks that the game looks like anime slop now, how cool would it be to have a more gritty world where you slowly (more slower than current progression but not anything near verse 1 cus that shit sucked) become powerful and do have access to some sort of ultimate moves or even your base ones looking like they hurt more, hell even a story mode that has verse 1 level progression but theres densely packed things you can do.

[@CrusaderMan-vf7hf]

It feels like the whole “make whatever build you want” is slowly crumbling due to meta PvP talents etc, If I wanted to make a 100 weapon 100 fort 100 str build unfortunately that isn’t going to compare to some shrine of order, every PvP talent under the sun, shadow cast user that can do 3 bars with a mantra. It just seems like we’re forced into making the same type of builds rn idk just my opinion.

[@HuangdiJin]

​@@CrusaderMan-vf7hfyeah thats what I think too, it sucks being forced to have little actual build variety

[@Fronkleen]

deepwoken pvpers when the game isnt just pvp only and has other content

[@Han-ff6rq]

the game's artstyle declined alot since verse 2 released, now everyone is a glowstick or an eyesore, i think nerfing every attunement until they are all equal or some attunements are stronger than others (rock, paper, scissors type of thing) and reworking all of the big bright mantras added in the weeklies so they all feel like they belong in deepwoken and not just in an anime slop game, like when they added sukuna's fuga it just felt so utterly lazy from the devs.

[@Prophetkeito]

His roblox account is 6 days older than me. Anyways onto the Ministry origin

[@saeko2212]

I hope that they release a new game that's like what Deepwoken was actually meant to be and keep updating Deepwoken to fund future projects

[@degeneration6493]

Not again 😩

[@maxielp13]

nah i want deepwoken, deepwoken is still here it just needs to fix its errors

[@saeko2212]

@@maxielp13 it can't

[@SeductiveSushi]

@@maxielp13I’ve actually been thinking what the other guy said a lot myself. Deepwoken is too far deep into this new path it made of itself. A New game is the solution if we wanna see something close to what Old Deepwoken was supposed to be.

[@degeneration6493]

@@saeko2212 so much work was put into Deepwoken, like 30 people had worked on it through out the game’s existence. But you do have a point

[@Karmanara]

I think we can all pin the blame on voidwalkers for making freshies never wanna play again

[@syttemis3]

Sometimes less is more

[@Jayden-up3dc]

absolute cinnema

[@diabloonline3893]

throwing away rogue lineage for deepwoken wasn’t even worth it

[@raymond-jf3ke]

I’m a newer deepwoken player, trying to play with skilled builds and not such tank carried builds but I just get 3 shot by some guy with a pyrekeeper bro

[@seafoaaam]

idgaf?? delete this video

[@vitoravelarmatsuoka5241]

lmao, i agree with the video but you comment is too funny to not upvote

[@GumsGumbo]

oh how i miss you nrpg beyond

[@than4792]

all these crazy mantras and crazy weapons are just helping people with skill issue, without skill issue mantras and such wouldnt matter at all, they are even inferior in this case, if youre good enough at the game all that matters is m1 parry dodge, there comes a point where no one has tempo nor ether and their builds are useless compared to those with attuenmetless/shadowcast builds. The better you are the more you realize that shadowcast and attuenmentless are on top

[@Noctify]

This is a very interesting take daniel virtual reality

[@food2103]

Dan VR where u a shinobi origin guy or? (Rell bros peaked with it on release and then you saw the downfall with every update)

[@fanpoteznegoborowkarza9272]

can we please return to the old pale morning + 80 into element of your choice (mainly gale) meta and not use legendary weapons like pyre keeper that have 50 fucking crits and none of them are fair

[@finncams1867]

nooooo but fino and k1 saw the cool thingy on an anime so they have to add it to the game 😠😠😠😠

[@pegasusrr3156]

Intro is wild Ur account is 5 years older than mine

[@wictorias12]

i just want enchants to be rare again :(

[@loukkare7859]

sounds boosted to me

[@Sleepy_Nera]

instanced server jumpscare

[@democky3371]

dan as always spitting fax

[@kaipervan]

like how do you create rogue lineage then deepwoken and on release the games atmosphere is amazing then you make it like every other anime spam move type of game.

[@maxielp13]

if you think deepwoken is like every other anime spam game i really dont know what you are talking about, most people dont run those builds

[@kaipervan]

@@maxielp13 just because people dont "run those builds" doesn't take away from the fact that most mantras and weapons look like that now

[@maxielp13]

@@kaipervan look like what

[@ray-ayr]

@@maxielp13 most people dont run those builds is crazy work every time i gank i knw im more skilled but i fought a guild where literally everry play was railblade silent heart or krys silentheart bro or they were using cheesy flame builds cant go in chime cause why are there 100 ice traps running away quad attunement builds like tf.

[@ray-ayr]

@@maxielp13 ive been playing deep since release and there just spam adding leg weps every update leg weps arent leg weps i literally was pissed as hell when i wiped especially with even an armour enchant now i can wipe with literally half the legendary weapons in the world and would not care

[@ifllz6114]

Yo wanna hear a secret, it’s not declining just because you don’t like it I saw 24k players on and it s not even summer

[@JusArcadian]

Deepwoken went from a Rogue Lite to an RPG where you can "wipe I Guess." and it sucks

[@CrusaderMan-vf7hf]

When you’re new it’s a threat but like 4 months or so in ur good

[@padparada]

I dont think they really care that much, they have so much money from all the selling out they probs dont need to work ever again lol

[@AvengedPanzer]

This honestly makes me sad, deepwoken used to be so fun back when it released. Its unique dark theme grungy game as well as the lore was all so interesting. Now it's just another anime battleground game, every new update only ever benefits the kids obsessed with pvp, and it's all about who has the better build. Can't play without getting jumped in depths by someone with some invincible meta cheese build now. Nothing but slop